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Unhappy Sunday Copy Sunday Welcome to the
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To Match Regular weekly Q and A
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session brought to you by the new
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European newspapers. Met first question: What do
1:41
you make of Liz Truss telling the
1:43
See Pack summit in Maryland that she
1:45
was thwarted by the Deep State. Does
1:47
it matter? Brin from Edinburgh bracket student.
1:49
I think she's mad. The what will
1:51
I think give? Well, you're not wrong.
1:53
Yeah, I mean if
1:55
is A by the way. if she was taught
1:57
by the deep state, well done the deep state.
2:00
There needs to all think this is. I
2:02
think the deep State needs more picking up
2:04
possibly merchandise and and then a little rally
2:06
India in Parliament square in a you know
2:08
you know what we want. The deep State
2:10
when we want it now. Look.
2:14
See pack is the Conservative Political
2:16
Action Conference which is assertive glastonbury
2:18
of the Rights. Every year that
2:20
resuscitation and it's become more and
2:22
more mega and and it's that
2:25
are out for Mac of this
2:27
year it's deep stayed an anti
2:29
globalist, I'm anti immigration and if
2:31
I say that to to the
2:33
other main speak of Rogen Steep
2:35
and you're gonna get this thing
2:37
that idea about the Bill of
2:39
Rights. so. It's. Laughable and
2:42
mistresses case. The.
2:45
Problem is that. It's
2:47
not lawful in a general sense
2:49
because this nonsense this rubbish about.
2:53
The will of the people being sorted
2:55
by it's variously cool. Did minister to
2:57
state the deep state versus seen that
2:59
caused the permanent stagnant are no I
3:02
don't think is it's. A
3:04
reputable thing for prime minister to say this
3:06
but he used the in his poop from
3:09
speech and this is Stephanie that are direction
3:11
of travel. The rights is taking around the
3:13
well which is to imply that the reason
3:15
things that they proposed don't work the not
3:18
because they're bloody useless but because they're being
3:20
thwarted by Ah officials and. People.
3:23
Involved in whitehall in this
3:25
country. The Beltway
3:28
wasn't a D C in America and
3:30
that it's a it's all applause and
3:32
it's all a conspiracy And either this
3:34
is that this is this run through
3:36
told from get will does Viktor Orban
3:38
in Hungary, Marine Le Pen in France
3:40
and it will become one of the
3:42
even more important. Narrative
3:44
in the Tory party off the
3:46
Lexus a lease so he see
3:49
is ludicrous but the idea is
3:51
troubling and worrying and then and
3:53
at see the point you made
3:55
is a bloody good what I'm
3:57
it is someone needs to. Actually
4:00
just deconstruct this nonsense about the deep
4:02
state yet is no such thing. Yeah
4:04
yeah I occasionally for something in me
4:06
some vestige of humanity my deep hearts
4:09
cove feels a little bit sorry for
4:11
list just because it must be they
4:13
must be terrible, be and on the
4:15
edge of humanity lox ah and desperate
4:17
and that every time I look at
4:19
my mortgage dame and I think mess
4:21
but I don't the same as don't
4:23
need lots of that I aren't honest
4:26
and on merciful yes yes yes aspirin.
4:28
Thank you very much for your. Question
4:30
next question please. One.
4:32
Thing you messed regarding Rochdale.
4:35
Other ali had previously done interface
4:37
an anti extremism work and defend
4:39
the Jewish Mp Louise Elm and
4:41
against anti semitic attacks. Another reason
4:44
he wasn't instantly dumped on nuts
4:46
from Becca is t thank you
4:48
better. Would. You thing is that
4:50
a I'm skeptical about this because those
4:53
are the tenth. We mentioned this on
4:55
the podcast last week as yeah, I'm
4:57
about. How the been
5:00
attempt to frame the whole box
5:02
and as. As
5:04
or Ali was removed as the Labour candidate
5:06
in Rochdale am I've had Paris. And
5:09
Semitic things he'd said. ah but it
5:11
they waited summit in, get rid of
5:13
him immediately with forty eight hours said
5:15
it was this claim from the left.
5:17
This is because As or Ali is
5:19
one of the Storm As gang, but
5:21
he really isn't and I think that's
5:23
the real reason that they delayed was
5:25
that they were terrified of removing a
5:27
candidate and letting Galloway. Yeah when because
5:29
it was too late to change the
5:31
candidate. Yeah, and I seducing. That's the
5:33
reason I've talked to a quasi people
5:35
about it. Now the only thing I
5:37
who that is that it's. Perfectly possible
5:39
to be to hold
5:42
broad. Anti semitic views.
5:44
but to feel the need to
5:46
come to defend a jew in
5:48
in trouble you know that's that's
5:50
if anybody you grew up in
5:52
the seventies people out with people
5:54
complicates the summer my best friends
5:56
are black was about I'd try
5:58
and defense against being racist. You
6:00
know you know who it is it's a
6:02
it's a famous good stereotypical type and and
6:04
I see we will have we will met
6:06
people that is in the have a black
6:08
neighbor they love yeah but rail about immigrants
6:11
and been as it is so so it's
6:13
surface those touch on a point which would
6:15
be would fantastic if we could all just
6:17
meet more people and share more fi yes
6:19
and and just spend more time in each
6:21
other's company if there was some magical form
6:23
cause i dunno society where we sociopath messes
6:25
know that about us, not each other but
6:28
my elbow to the is bring on this.
6:30
Is David Lammy book tried Sorrow and
6:32
he's sensationally good on on at see
6:34
how to bring people together because it
6:37
sounds a bit we all the world
6:39
you know, emotional people but actually Sammy
6:41
who is very practical and granular in
6:44
his approached these issues yet talks about
6:46
how contact group sitting, intergenerational and multi
6:48
racial are a do exist and they
6:51
work. we should get ammonia the other.
6:53
Another thing that I'm increasingly interested in
6:55
is the idea of citizens assembly. sweet
6:58
bespoke apple's Yeah, absolutely I We. Had
7:00
a chat yesterday and I hadn't up
7:02
in ignorance about the effect that that
7:04
hard on various big movements like the
7:06
abortion referendum on and on an island
7:09
in our put the idea that you
7:11
bring together a broad demographically representative group
7:13
of people, You explain to them with
7:15
expertise what the issue was about. You
7:17
then let those people talk together and
7:20
to come to a sort of consensus
7:22
around that issue you think my god
7:24
is that it happened before the break
7:26
it vote know and I would definitely
7:28
would result be deposed different sorts. Beckett
7:31
is thank you so much for your
7:33
question. Next question please all legitimate concerns
7:35
about it migration in quotes synonymous with
7:37
racism as claimed by James O'brien in
7:39
his new book. Would recommend. Thank.
7:42
You for man I saw him and
7:44
many suffer under toy both a very
7:47
timely question. My answer we we are
7:49
as the. Forthcoming outbreak will
7:51
tell you. giving people a copy of
7:53
Jackson is worth her book. How They
7:55
broke Britain as I don't know. I
7:58
mean, I think they're all. It
8:00
wont wont. let me put it this way. I
8:02
think. Probably. Yes,
8:04
in most people's minds when
8:06
they talking about concerns about
8:08
immigration in a lot of
8:10
those groups of people, there
8:12
is a of a whole
8:14
human kind of instincts towards
8:16
bigotry in that's But you
8:18
can't say that there are
8:20
no concerns about immigration to
8:22
people because I didn't eat
8:24
his. Then you saying to
8:26
people what you fail as
8:28
as no, no value, no.
8:32
No. Valid.
8:35
I mean I think in a the
8:37
to the phrase that James was. Interrogating
8:40
in examining is they see one
8:42
that's used by. Politicians.
8:45
He owed. Summarize: What is actually
8:47
a bigoted agenda? Yes, I mean
8:50
that every nation state. In
8:52
the world has border control. And.
8:54
It should be A managerial. Competently
8:57
run and unlike as well resourced
8:59
compassionate system. I mean it's a
9:02
that to stand that right as
9:04
oaks to that extent. Consensus
9:07
Emergency to the extent that it operates
9:09
aboard a policy. I mean, that's. Weird
9:12
or audible you know that can be
9:14
and should be more flexible at certain
9:17
times and other the mean you nice
9:19
But where I agree with the. Idea
9:22
is the wall. These concerns you know
9:24
are often okay. So you know it's
9:26
like they're a drain on my immigrants
9:28
or drain on our public services. Know
9:31
not debunks. You know that every study
9:33
ever done the same that the next
9:35
to pieces year. the economy that they
9:38
take our chance Know they don't. They
9:40
filmed them. Yeah, you know and we
9:42
are because it breaks. That ensued trouble
9:45
in the care sector, in the Nhs
9:47
and other sectors. You know they're huge
9:49
vacancy problems because of up. Ah,
9:52
I'm. The one I think
9:54
that that that leads it seeps into trouble is
9:56
what a lot of people me when they has
9:58
had a blood is. Concerned about immigration
10:01
is that that immigration is sort
10:03
of somehow vandalizing a British culture
10:05
right now. I personally think that's
10:07
just months. Yeah, right. That's. What
10:10
I think be to be said
10:13
if a that acknowledges the particularly
10:15
a debates about religion versus secularism
10:17
in society which by the white
10:19
absolutely not confined to Islam. It.
10:22
All religions, right? but it
10:25
has often got conflated. Into
10:28
an anti immigration argument, Know when there's
10:30
an argument about your next a teacher
10:32
having to go into hiding because a
10:34
cartoons of Muhammad know this? Then there's
10:36
a kind of double the logical leap
10:38
to. Shut The Borders. Yeah,
10:40
no no. In a all his heart
10:42
is in the modern world that can
10:44
be more more pluralist. We need to
10:46
negotiate how we have with that on
10:49
a situation. But that's not an argument
10:51
against immigration us, it's an argument for
10:53
decent, civilized engagement. And and poorest I
10:55
think what you've just done there is
10:57
a great example of how you can.
10:59
Ah, through fact.
11:03
The. Bunk people's fears s and
11:05
I wish they had an unearthly
11:07
same. People confuse their fears with
11:09
facts. yes that's what the that's
11:12
where the problem lies in our
11:14
it's and also. I
11:16
think the the more. Of a a
11:19
macro view, people take the better for
11:21
his old enough people think that when
11:23
we talk for English culture what does
11:25
that mean You know that you think
11:27
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11:29
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11:31
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11:33
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11:35
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11:38
be kept I'm an ivy array with
11:40
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11:42
in a summer. My best friends a
11:44
Toots yes. We
11:46
are a great wonderful hotch. If
11:48
we all cultures and and you
11:50
know what, we decided to be
11:52
one particularly. About seventy years
11:55
ago? Yeah, in it is easy. it
11:57
is absurd. Yeah, In Twenty Twenty four
11:59
To say. When I whip
12:01
would this be then or immigrants a
12:03
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12:05
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12:07
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12:09
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12:11
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15:21
Private. Schools. Covert corruption
15:23
will bring in something other than
15:25
taxing wealth. I can't see the
15:27
move. They can make Any ideas.
15:29
Danny. Any ideas? Well, I mean,
15:32
I went back and had a look and
15:34
those measures though. you know they'll raise some
15:36
money, but raise much so. For
15:40
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15:42
measure. It will raise
15:44
about the current the Iss. The
15:46
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15:48
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15:50
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15:52
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15:55
Best estimates or brain three point two
15:57
billion is or has there. Kb
16:00
corruption. Yeah, Smith's clawback the money that we
16:02
know that's gonna take time and and you
16:04
know I don't He led up to not
16:07
enough to. Be. They say that on
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exactly yachts, flip flopper, cel yachts and
16:11
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16:13
so Sloan inadequate. I
16:15
mean I a the risk is I'm. Repeating.
16:18
Myself why I'm in, er, see myself and
16:20
say we've gotta start looking at wealth tax.
16:22
Yeah, I'm very sorry that Labour has ruled
16:24
out for now. I hope they really back
16:26
in after the election. if they when I'm.
16:29
We. Will need group to grace and
16:31
lots of it but that doesn't come
16:33
about by Kissed. alright to raise clicking
16:35
that ruby slippers that comes about by
16:37
investing and we talked about this thing
16:40
when those the twenty eight billion green
16:42
investment are thrown at us growth doesn't
16:44
come about to spy know wishing for
16:46
i'm governments can't find the money's the
16:48
ones who yeah but city. One thing
16:50
that out that still sticks in my
16:53
craw was the that conversation around Rishi
16:55
soon x tax bill when it came
16:57
out on the the whole. All.
16:59
Of the headlines and all of the
17:01
conversation was Rishi soon act as paid
17:03
five hundred thousand pounds and tax lest
17:05
it right right? Not. Vishy.
17:07
Soon as as paid twenty two percent
17:10
in taxes last year over his two
17:12
point two million pounds worth of earnings
17:14
or whatever the reason, he pays a
17:16
lower rate of taxation than your average
17:19
doctor, nurse, school teacher Five and culpa
17:21
is that most of his wells is
17:23
generated through capital gains, right? And it's
17:25
tax that a ridiculously low level. Why
17:28
not? Well, as I can to hear
17:30
the arguments about, well, you've got to
17:32
encourage investment in. You gotta make sure
17:35
that the people who have a creating
17:37
wealth. Wants to create that wells
17:39
here And all of that soaps at?
17:41
yeah, I get that. What do we
17:43
really have? A half? Such an iniquitous
17:46
system where the people who are making
17:48
said loads of cash are paying the
17:50
least amount of tax. It's a felony.
17:53
Be what lonely What you. What you
17:55
have described is a Siskel system where
17:57
ownership is privileged over work in. Right
18:00
right I should have an I don't
18:02
see I've never understood why that's the
18:04
case. Sick as many weeks and minute
18:06
the that the money where he's getting
18:08
taxed the least is the money that
18:10
he's done the least Two weren't Yes
18:13
you know he's invested money into various
18:15
corporations companies were in in I'm things
18:17
that have grounds made wealth and have
18:19
bought an exit and that and some
18:21
these have been handed his return at
18:23
x times the amount invested but he
18:25
hasn't done anything only done is put
18:27
the money and and for some of
18:29
it's these facilitated the growth but he
18:31
didn't go down So the coalface and
18:33
dick the toll out in I even
18:35
an and forty years plus we've been
18:37
told work hard and you'll be rewarded
18:39
right? Well You know that it is.
18:42
It is intrinsic to wealth. Yeah that
18:44
you're not work towards A or you're
18:46
sitting on it. Now are you know
18:48
I'm not saying people shouldn't at the
18:50
crew wealth is it doesn't You know
18:52
we we live in the capitalist system
18:54
which of which that's a that's a
18:56
possibility and people eat the crew. Wealth
18:58
do indeed contribute to the economy. But
19:01
the idea that wealth is should be
19:03
magically insulated from taxation. I think it's
19:05
just ridiculous. And also to some a
19:07
practical level, it's unsustainable to know what
19:09
I'd I'd or a farmer who are
19:11
Reddit for somebody said would they should
19:13
You should ban billion us, right? And
19:15
what they meant was. That.
19:18
Is what once you get to a
19:20
billion pounds, right? The mini is. it's
19:22
a billion. In personal wealth everything
19:24
you make dose to the state and
19:26
they name a hospital last year and
19:28
that that's your reward but you know
19:30
on the basis that who needs more
19:32
who could possibly need more than a
19:34
billion pounds? Everything you make after that
19:36
should just the should be a system
19:38
where it is funnel straight insert into
19:40
the broad a good and I was
19:43
like absolutely our Louviere. In fact let's
19:45
make it much less than a pill
19:47
that you imagine if he said that
19:49
services soon act yeah I'd see would
19:51
pass out he would think I was
19:53
absolutely. Deranged. But I think if he said
19:55
to most normal people to say it's not
19:57
a problem with the economy is that you
19:59
need. In a degenerate prosperity and aspirations
20:01
and was a baby boys will be in
20:03
a billionaire is that? you've already got to
20:06
that point of s After that, everything can
20:08
go to the public. I think a billion
20:10
pounds is enough. Yeah, the sad truth is
20:13
is that most people would rather have two
20:15
billion than to have one billion another hospital
20:17
named after them in that that is pretty
20:19
sad a sec. Yes, I'm not
20:22
almost citizens would know know I think most
20:24
is I think my the billionaires the one
20:26
I'm is a one hundred sixty billion like
20:28
a lot denied by Tilonia. Or thank you
20:30
Danny for that question. Next question please. I
20:33
heard on radio the ultra processed food
20:35
make up sixty percent of our diet.
20:37
In the kind is now the leading
20:39
cause of death. Well I know the
20:41
Pm wants to stop people smoking the
20:43
why doesn't he cares much about stopping
20:45
people eating this garbage? Good question thank
20:47
you and Lexus and five minute. Well
20:49
I mean absolutely right I said i
20:51
think it's as extrude which we sit
20:53
such.com which pocus he was but we
20:55
are determined. I went off on a
20:57
rant about. The amounts of
21:00
shifty, the rubbish we in supermarkets
21:02
and and we have some. read
21:04
the positive feedback including the some
21:07
Alexis about about that topic and
21:09
I think it's something we'll we'll
21:11
cover more deeply in the new
21:13
European as we go on, but
21:16
there is a definite issue about
21:18
the stuff we are putting down
21:20
people's throats yeah and the the
21:22
price to wait up prices are
21:25
geared towards encouraging people to buy
21:27
shit. That. At that has. Borderline.
21:30
Nutritional value if any and discourages them
21:32
from the sit at the same time
21:35
from to from taking part in in
21:37
something that is a very i think
21:39
of a human thing to do which
21:41
is to take roaring greetings and to
21:43
make food for your family. you know
21:46
stats being discouraged is a practice get
21:48
enough and I think the something you
21:50
know other wanna come over All or
21:52
Jamie Oliver about this but there is
21:55
something tragic about getting young kids hooked
21:57
on this. dump them in of the
21:59
high. It was a guy on the
22:01
radio on. this is probably where. Alexis
22:03
heard this. I don't know maybe but
22:06
there was a guy a brilliant guy
22:08
who has written a book called also
22:10
process people talk member's name but we'll
22:13
we'll find will find out inspector me
22:15
as odd as it.and he's talking about.
22:18
But. You know, the amounts of. The.
22:21
Lack of good sick knowing. To.
22:24
Game's all about the dangers. The food that
22:26
by on he compared it to tobacco were
22:28
and he said you know if you buy
22:30
cigarettes ruled useless now you get a photograph
22:32
of the langone it yes and I best.
22:35
Why is the know? Why can
22:37
you buy account of Full Fat
22:39
Coke and it's got three green
22:41
symbols and then just one read:
22:43
symbol for sugar content. Yes, it's
22:45
telling it's. Three quarters
22:47
of it is good, you know, go for
22:49
it. Looks like a healthy Encouragements he said
22:52
the should be massive pick warning sign this
22:54
contains this contains absolute garbage you know and
22:56
it's gonna damage your health because that is
22:58
a fact? Yeah, absolutely. And I think that
23:00
we all know that preventive medicine is can
23:03
have to be part is a much bigger
23:05
power as and one says this but then
23:07
don't act upon it and there's no better
23:09
form of preventive medicine and good nutrition. Yeah,
23:11
maybe excises in a bit. m. Actually,
23:15
food law is quite weak.
23:17
Them. And it's interesting
23:19
how we should is it's really
23:21
just. Minimal. Identification
23:24
and and information on food. Whereas
23:26
as he say we need more
23:29
i'm I'd be. Minded
23:31
to sink a bit more radically actually. I
23:33
mean is there case the subsidizing good food
23:36
right? right? Yes, you know race articles because
23:38
the in the problem is also given example
23:40
which is when I got my a bottomless
23:42
Romo i hear the stops Us a test
23:44
case and the woman in front of me
23:47
in it's had six mega packs of what
23:49
sets in her boss now I don't know
23:51
what she's doing in eight. Sit.
23:53
Through nice right? But it was not up. Edifying
23:56
site and he just oh my god, what's
23:58
I candidates and I thought yep, You know
24:00
that? They're They're all on offer. the
24:02
cheap. they're easy that kids blight them
24:05
qu said Morrison addicts his and so
24:07
to actually get from point A to
24:09
point B. Across. Anything
24:12
other than the foodie. Metropolitan.
24:14
Culture is gonna take a radical lowering
24:16
of price of decent food. yeah and
24:18
that doesn't happen by magic it had
24:21
it happens by again government intervention I
24:23
mean that done it to at this
24:25
suit and extend with the shook attack
24:27
civilians they had but soon as a
24:29
they they've backed down on the t
24:31
for one stuff right right? So I
24:34
mean is it that this is i
24:36
think of really a rich seem of
24:38
of. Normalcy debate people should
24:40
be talking about how do we
24:42
get to this outcome yet and
24:44
I think I think maybe what's
24:46
happening because obviously it's complicated since
24:48
neon sign the stance people are
24:50
on in a really tight budget
24:52
have to feed families than of
24:54
course you default to yeah what
24:56
you can do but you know
24:58
there is. This is why I
25:00
was. You know when there was this huge hue and cry
25:03
about. How to Tesco? So a
25:05
chicken for to power fifty rock? I
25:07
was very hesitant. Suits feel like oh.
25:10
Animal. Welfare must be protected. Rule on
25:12
people must pay. I quit for a
25:14
chicken. Know whatever a kind of felt
25:16
well if that chickens feeding a family
25:19
and that's all he can afford and
25:21
it's still a bloody chicken and is
25:23
nutritional and it's cooked with fresh vegetables.
25:25
Whatever you can make a good meal
25:27
and not pumped full of chlorine that
25:29
I'm not pumped full of water, chlorine
25:31
with preservatives and sodium nitrate and all
25:33
of this crap then yeah okay. I'm
25:36
ah, I will park my reservations about
25:38
animal welfare in that regard. A case
25:40
controversial. But the apartheid, ah to that. There's
25:42
a trade off. I I would
25:44
suit but if is your solution
25:46
would be to say well let's
25:49
have the government pay for increased
25:51
animal welfare but keep the price
25:53
of inaudible for everybody than fantastic
25:55
And I think you know Jack
25:57
Monro wonderful bootstrap cook in it.
26:00
They're kind of way of
26:02
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26:04
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26:06
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26:08
nothing here was magical. Ah heard so
26:10
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26:12
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26:15
i think her and yeah I said
26:17
of hundreds maintained a low profile that's
26:19
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26:23
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26:25
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