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Unhappy Sunday Copy Sunday Welcome to the

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To Match Regular weekly Q and A

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session brought to you by the new

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European newspapers. Met first question: What do

1:41

you make of Liz Truss telling the

1:43

See Pack summit in Maryland that she

1:45

was thwarted by the Deep State. Does

1:47

it matter? Brin from Edinburgh bracket student.

1:49

I think she's mad. The what will

1:51

I think give? Well, you're not wrong.

1:53

Yeah, I mean if

1:55

is A by the way. if she was taught

1:57

by the deep state, well done the deep state.

2:00

There needs to all think this is. I

2:02

think the deep State needs more picking up

2:04

possibly merchandise and and then a little rally

2:06

India in Parliament square in a you know

2:08

you know what we want. The deep State

2:10

when we want it now. Look.

2:14

See pack is the Conservative Political

2:16

Action Conference which is assertive glastonbury

2:18

of the Rights. Every year that

2:20

resuscitation and it's become more and

2:22

more mega and and it's that

2:25

are out for Mac of this

2:27

year it's deep stayed an anti

2:29

globalist, I'm anti immigration and if

2:31

I say that to to the

2:33

other main speak of Rogen Steep

2:35

and you're gonna get this thing

2:37

that idea about the Bill of

2:39

Rights. so. It's. Laughable and

2:42

mistresses case. The.

2:45

Problem is that. It's

2:47

not lawful in a general sense

2:49

because this nonsense this rubbish about.

2:53

The will of the people being sorted

2:55

by it's variously cool. Did minister to

2:57

state the deep state versus seen that

2:59

caused the permanent stagnant are no I

3:02

don't think is it's. A

3:04

reputable thing for prime minister to say this

3:06

but he used the in his poop from

3:09

speech and this is Stephanie that are direction

3:11

of travel. The rights is taking around the

3:13

well which is to imply that the reason

3:15

things that they proposed don't work the not

3:18

because they're bloody useless but because they're being

3:20

thwarted by Ah officials and. People.

3:23

Involved in whitehall in this

3:25

country. The Beltway

3:28

wasn't a D C in America and

3:30

that it's a it's all applause and

3:32

it's all a conspiracy And either this

3:34

is that this is this run through

3:36

told from get will does Viktor Orban

3:38

in Hungary, Marine Le Pen in France

3:40

and it will become one of the

3:42

even more important. Narrative

3:44

in the Tory party off the

3:46

Lexus a lease so he see

3:49

is ludicrous but the idea is

3:51

troubling and worrying and then and

3:53

at see the point you made

3:55

is a bloody good what I'm

3:57

it is someone needs to. Actually

4:00

just deconstruct this nonsense about the deep

4:02

state yet is no such thing. Yeah

4:04

yeah I occasionally for something in me

4:06

some vestige of humanity my deep hearts

4:09

cove feels a little bit sorry for

4:11

list just because it must be they

4:13

must be terrible, be and on the

4:15

edge of humanity lox ah and desperate

4:17

and that every time I look at

4:19

my mortgage dame and I think mess

4:21

but I don't the same as don't

4:23

need lots of that I aren't honest

4:26

and on merciful yes yes yes aspirin.

4:28

Thank you very much for your. Question

4:30

next question please. One.

4:32

Thing you messed regarding Rochdale.

4:35

Other ali had previously done interface

4:37

an anti extremism work and defend

4:39

the Jewish Mp Louise Elm and

4:41

against anti semitic attacks. Another reason

4:44

he wasn't instantly dumped on nuts

4:46

from Becca is t thank you

4:48

better. Would. You thing is that

4:50

a I'm skeptical about this because those

4:53

are the tenth. We mentioned this on

4:55

the podcast last week as yeah, I'm

4:57

about. How the been

5:00

attempt to frame the whole box

5:02

and as. As

5:04

or Ali was removed as the Labour candidate

5:06

in Rochdale am I've had Paris. And

5:09

Semitic things he'd said. ah but it

5:11

they waited summit in, get rid of

5:13

him immediately with forty eight hours said

5:15

it was this claim from the left.

5:17

This is because As or Ali is

5:19

one of the Storm As gang, but

5:21

he really isn't and I think that's

5:23

the real reason that they delayed was

5:25

that they were terrified of removing a

5:27

candidate and letting Galloway. Yeah when because

5:29

it was too late to change the

5:31

candidate. Yeah, and I seducing. That's the

5:33

reason I've talked to a quasi people

5:35

about it. Now the only thing I

5:37

who that is that it's. Perfectly possible

5:39

to be to hold

5:42

broad. Anti semitic views.

5:44

but to feel the need to

5:46

come to defend a jew in

5:48

in trouble you know that's that's

5:50

if anybody you grew up in

5:52

the seventies people out with people

5:54

complicates the summer my best friends

5:56

are black was about I'd try

5:58

and defense against being racist. You

6:00

know you know who it is it's a

6:02

it's a famous good stereotypical type and and

6:04

I see we will have we will met

6:06

people that is in the have a black

6:08

neighbor they love yeah but rail about immigrants

6:11

and been as it is so so it's

6:13

surface those touch on a point which would

6:15

be would fantastic if we could all just

6:17

meet more people and share more fi yes

6:19

and and just spend more time in each

6:21

other's company if there was some magical form

6:23

cause i dunno society where we sociopath messes

6:25

know that about us, not each other but

6:28

my elbow to the is bring on this.

6:30

Is David Lammy book tried Sorrow and

6:32

he's sensationally good on on at see

6:34

how to bring people together because it

6:37

sounds a bit we all the world

6:39

you know, emotional people but actually Sammy

6:41

who is very practical and granular in

6:44

his approached these issues yet talks about

6:46

how contact group sitting, intergenerational and multi

6:48

racial are a do exist and they

6:51

work. we should get ammonia the other.

6:53

Another thing that I'm increasingly interested in

6:55

is the idea of citizens assembly. sweet

6:58

bespoke apple's Yeah, absolutely I We. Had

7:00

a chat yesterday and I hadn't up

7:02

in ignorance about the effect that that

7:04

hard on various big movements like the

7:06

abortion referendum on and on an island

7:09

in our put the idea that you

7:11

bring together a broad demographically representative group

7:13

of people, You explain to them with

7:15

expertise what the issue was about. You

7:17

then let those people talk together and

7:20

to come to a sort of consensus

7:22

around that issue you think my god

7:24

is that it happened before the break

7:26

it vote know and I would definitely

7:28

would result be deposed different sorts. Beckett

7:31

is thank you so much for your

7:33

question. Next question please all legitimate concerns

7:35

about it migration in quotes synonymous with

7:37

racism as claimed by James O'brien in

7:39

his new book. Would recommend. Thank.

7:42

You for man I saw him and

7:44

many suffer under toy both a very

7:47

timely question. My answer we we are

7:49

as the. Forthcoming outbreak will

7:51

tell you. giving people a copy of

7:53

Jackson is worth her book. How They

7:55

broke Britain as I don't know. I

7:58

mean, I think they're all. It

8:00

wont wont. let me put it this way. I

8:02

think. Probably. Yes,

8:04

in most people's minds when

8:06

they talking about concerns about

8:08

immigration in a lot of

8:10

those groups of people, there

8:12

is a of a whole

8:14

human kind of instincts towards

8:16

bigotry in that's But you

8:18

can't say that there are

8:20

no concerns about immigration to

8:22

people because I didn't eat

8:24

his. Then you saying to

8:26

people what you fail as

8:28

as no, no value, no.

8:32

No. Valid.

8:35

I mean I think in a the

8:37

to the phrase that James was. Interrogating

8:40

in examining is they see one

8:42

that's used by. Politicians.

8:45

He owed. Summarize: What is actually

8:47

a bigoted agenda? Yes, I mean

8:50

that every nation state. In

8:52

the world has border control. And.

8:54

It should be A managerial. Competently

8:57

run and unlike as well resourced

8:59

compassionate system. I mean it's a

9:02

that to stand that right as

9:04

oaks to that extent. Consensus

9:07

Emergency to the extent that it operates

9:09

aboard a policy. I mean, that's. Weird

9:12

or audible you know that can be

9:14

and should be more flexible at certain

9:17

times and other the mean you nice

9:19

But where I agree with the. Idea

9:22

is the wall. These concerns you know

9:24

are often okay. So you know it's

9:26

like they're a drain on my immigrants

9:28

or drain on our public services. Know

9:31

not debunks. You know that every study

9:33

ever done the same that the next

9:35

to pieces year. the economy that they

9:38

take our chance Know they don't. They

9:40

filmed them. Yeah, you know and we

9:42

are because it breaks. That ensued trouble

9:45

in the care sector, in the Nhs

9:47

and other sectors. You know they're huge

9:49

vacancy problems because of up. Ah,

9:52

I'm. The one I think

9:54

that that that leads it seeps into trouble is

9:56

what a lot of people me when they has

9:58

had a blood is. Concerned about immigration

10:01

is that that immigration is sort

10:03

of somehow vandalizing a British culture

10:05

right now. I personally think that's

10:07

just months. Yeah, right. That's. What

10:10

I think be to be said

10:13

if a that acknowledges the particularly

10:15

a debates about religion versus secularism

10:17

in society which by the white

10:19

absolutely not confined to Islam. It.

10:22

All religions, right? but it

10:25

has often got conflated. Into

10:28

an anti immigration argument, Know when there's

10:30

an argument about your next a teacher

10:32

having to go into hiding because a

10:34

cartoons of Muhammad know this? Then there's

10:36

a kind of double the logical leap

10:38

to. Shut The Borders. Yeah,

10:40

no no. In a all his heart

10:42

is in the modern world that can

10:44

be more more pluralist. We need to

10:46

negotiate how we have with that on

10:49

a situation. But that's not an argument

10:51

against immigration us, it's an argument for

10:53

decent, civilized engagement. And and poorest I

10:55

think what you've just done there is

10:57

a great example of how you can.

10:59

Ah, through fact.

11:03

The. Bunk people's fears s and

11:05

I wish they had an unearthly

11:07

same. People confuse their fears with

11:09

facts. yes that's what the that's

11:12

where the problem lies in our

11:14

it's and also. I

11:16

think the the more. Of a a

11:19

macro view, people take the better for

11:21

his old enough people think that when

11:23

we talk for English culture what does

11:25

that mean You know that you think

11:27

what the influence of of nations that

11:29

we've drawn out and colonized you mean

11:31

you get a culture To me never

11:33

really got into mean Benjamin's ethanol at

11:35

the right Stewart Lee clip about the

11:38

be kept I'm an ivy array with

11:40

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11:42

in a summer. My best friends a

11:44

Toots yes. We

11:46

are a great wonderful hotch. If

11:48

we all cultures and and you

11:50

know what, we decided to be

11:52

one particularly. About seventy years

11:55

ago? Yeah, in it is easy. it

11:57

is absurd. Yeah, In Twenty Twenty four

11:59

To say. When I whip

12:01

would this be then or immigrants a

12:03

third generation Britain's Yeah, You know. I

12:05

think the legitimate concern about immigration is

12:07

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12:09

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12:11

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do need to find the money

15:18

to invest to grow non dom.

15:21

Private. Schools. Covert corruption

15:23

will bring in something other than

15:25

taxing wealth. I can't see the

15:27

move. They can make Any ideas.

15:29

Danny. Any ideas? Well, I mean,

15:32

I went back and had a look and

15:34

those measures though. you know they'll raise some

15:36

money, but raise much so. For

15:40

example, The. Schools

15:42

measure. It will raise

15:44

about the current the Iss. The

15:46

state fiscal studies raised about one

15:48

point six billion a year which

15:50

is why not much non doms.

15:52

It's a business or reform. Marina.

15:55

Best estimates or brain three point two

15:57

billion is or has there. Kb

16:00

corruption. Yeah, Smith's clawback the money that we

16:02

know that's gonna take time and and you

16:04

know I don't He led up to not

16:07

enough to. Be. They say that on

16:09

exactly yachts, flip flopper, cel yachts and

16:11

it's gonna be lox in courts and

16:13

so Sloan inadequate. I

16:15

mean I a the risk is I'm. Repeating.

16:18

Myself why I'm in, er, see myself and

16:20

say we've gotta start looking at wealth tax.

16:22

Yeah, I'm very sorry that Labour has ruled

16:24

out for now. I hope they really back

16:26

in after the election. if they when I'm.

16:29

We. Will need group to grace and

16:31

lots of it but that doesn't come

16:33

about by Kissed. alright to raise clicking

16:35

that ruby slippers that comes about by

16:37

investing and we talked about this thing

16:40

when those the twenty eight billion green

16:42

investment are thrown at us growth doesn't

16:44

come about to spy know wishing for

16:46

i'm governments can't find the money's the

16:48

ones who yeah but city. One thing

16:50

that out that still sticks in my

16:53

craw was the that conversation around Rishi

16:55

soon x tax bill when it came

16:57

out on the the whole. All.

16:59

Of the headlines and all of the

17:01

conversation was Rishi soon act as paid

17:03

five hundred thousand pounds and tax lest

17:05

it right right? Not. Vishy.

17:07

Soon as as paid twenty two percent

17:10

in taxes last year over his two

17:12

point two million pounds worth of earnings

17:14

or whatever the reason, he pays a

17:16

lower rate of taxation than your average

17:19

doctor, nurse, school teacher Five and culpa

17:21

is that most of his wells is

17:23

generated through capital gains, right? And it's

17:25

tax that a ridiculously low level. Why

17:28

not? Well, as I can to hear

17:30

the arguments about, well, you've got to

17:32

encourage investment in. You gotta make sure

17:35

that the people who have a creating

17:37

wealth. Wants to create that wells

17:39

here And all of that soaps at?

17:41

yeah, I get that. What do we

17:43

really have? A half? Such an iniquitous

17:46

system where the people who are making

17:48

said loads of cash are paying the

17:50

least amount of tax. It's a felony.

17:53

Be what lonely What you. What you

17:55

have described is a Siskel system where

17:57

ownership is privileged over work in. Right

18:00

right I should have an I don't

18:02

see I've never understood why that's the

18:04

case. Sick as many weeks and minute

18:06

the that the money where he's getting

18:08

taxed the least is the money that

18:10

he's done the least Two weren't Yes

18:13

you know he's invested money into various

18:15

corporations companies were in in I'm things

18:17

that have grounds made wealth and have

18:19

bought an exit and that and some

18:21

these have been handed his return at

18:23

x times the amount invested but he

18:25

hasn't done anything only done is put

18:27

the money and and for some of

18:29

it's these facilitated the growth but he

18:31

didn't go down So the coalface and

18:33

dick the toll out in I even

18:35

an and forty years plus we've been

18:37

told work hard and you'll be rewarded

18:39

right? Well You know that it is.

18:42

It is intrinsic to wealth. Yeah that

18:44

you're not work towards A or you're

18:46

sitting on it. Now are you know

18:48

I'm not saying people shouldn't at the

18:50

crew wealth is it doesn't You know

18:52

we we live in the capitalist system

18:54

which of which that's a that's a

18:56

possibility and people eat the crew. Wealth

18:58

do indeed contribute to the economy. But

19:01

the idea that wealth is should be

19:03

magically insulated from taxation. I think it's

19:05

just ridiculous. And also to some a

19:07

practical level, it's unsustainable to know what

19:09

I'd I'd or a farmer who are

19:11

Reddit for somebody said would they should

19:13

You should ban billion us, right? And

19:15

what they meant was. That.

19:18

Is what once you get to a

19:20

billion pounds, right? The mini is. it's

19:22

a billion. In personal wealth everything

19:24

you make dose to the state and

19:26

they name a hospital last year and

19:28

that that's your reward but you know

19:30

on the basis that who needs more

19:32

who could possibly need more than a

19:34

billion pounds? Everything you make after that

19:36

should just the should be a system

19:38

where it is funnel straight insert into

19:40

the broad a good and I was

19:43

like absolutely our Louviere. In fact let's

19:45

make it much less than a pill

19:47

that you imagine if he said that

19:49

services soon act yeah I'd see would

19:51

pass out he would think I was

19:53

absolutely. Deranged. But I think if he said

19:55

to most normal people to say it's not

19:57

a problem with the economy is that you

19:59

need. In a degenerate prosperity and aspirations

20:01

and was a baby boys will be in

20:03

a billionaire is that? you've already got to

20:06

that point of s After that, everything can

20:08

go to the public. I think a billion

20:10

pounds is enough. Yeah, the sad truth is

20:13

is that most people would rather have two

20:15

billion than to have one billion another hospital

20:17

named after them in that that is pretty

20:19

sad a sec. Yes, I'm not

20:22

almost citizens would know know I think most

20:24

is I think my the billionaires the one

20:26

I'm is a one hundred sixty billion like

20:28

a lot denied by Tilonia. Or thank you

20:30

Danny for that question. Next question please. I

20:33

heard on radio the ultra processed food

20:35

make up sixty percent of our diet.

20:37

In the kind is now the leading

20:39

cause of death. Well I know the

20:41

Pm wants to stop people smoking the

20:43

why doesn't he cares much about stopping

20:45

people eating this garbage? Good question thank

20:47

you and Lexus and five minute. Well

20:49

I mean absolutely right I said i

20:51

think it's as extrude which we sit

20:53

such.com which pocus he was but we

20:55

are determined. I went off on a

20:57

rant about. The amounts of

21:00

shifty, the rubbish we in supermarkets

21:02

and and we have some. read

21:04

the positive feedback including the some

21:07

Alexis about about that topic and

21:09

I think it's something we'll we'll

21:11

cover more deeply in the new

21:13

European as we go on, but

21:16

there is a definite issue about

21:18

the stuff we are putting down

21:20

people's throats yeah and the the

21:22

price to wait up prices are

21:25

geared towards encouraging people to buy

21:27

shit. That. At that has. Borderline.

21:30

Nutritional value if any and discourages them

21:32

from the sit at the same time

21:35

from to from taking part in in

21:37

something that is a very i think

21:39

of a human thing to do which

21:41

is to take roaring greetings and to

21:43

make food for your family. you know

21:46

stats being discouraged is a practice get

21:48

enough and I think the something you

21:50

know other wanna come over All or

21:52

Jamie Oliver about this but there is

21:55

something tragic about getting young kids hooked

21:57

on this. dump them in of the

21:59

high. It was a guy on the

22:01

radio on. this is probably where. Alexis

22:03

heard this. I don't know maybe but

22:06

there was a guy a brilliant guy

22:08

who has written a book called also

22:10

process people talk member's name but we'll

22:13

we'll find will find out inspector me

22:15

as odd as it.and he's talking about.

22:18

But. You know, the amounts of. The.

22:21

Lack of good sick knowing. To.

22:24

Game's all about the dangers. The food that

22:26

by on he compared it to tobacco were

22:28

and he said you know if you buy

22:30

cigarettes ruled useless now you get a photograph

22:32

of the langone it yes and I best.

22:35

Why is the know? Why can

22:37

you buy account of Full Fat

22:39

Coke and it's got three green

22:41

symbols and then just one read:

22:43

symbol for sugar content. Yes, it's

22:45

telling it's. Three quarters

22:47

of it is good, you know, go for

22:49

it. Looks like a healthy Encouragements he said

22:52

the should be massive pick warning sign this

22:54

contains this contains absolute garbage you know and

22:56

it's gonna damage your health because that is

22:58

a fact? Yeah, absolutely. And I think that

23:00

we all know that preventive medicine is can

23:03

have to be part is a much bigger

23:05

power as and one says this but then

23:07

don't act upon it and there's no better

23:09

form of preventive medicine and good nutrition. Yeah,

23:11

maybe excises in a bit. m. Actually,

23:15

food law is quite weak.

23:17

Them. And it's interesting

23:19

how we should is it's really

23:21

just. Minimal. Identification

23:24

and and information on food. Whereas

23:26

as he say we need more

23:29

i'm I'd be. Minded

23:31

to sink a bit more radically actually. I

23:33

mean is there case the subsidizing good food

23:36

right? right? Yes, you know race articles because

23:38

the in the problem is also given example

23:40

which is when I got my a bottomless

23:42

Romo i hear the stops Us a test

23:44

case and the woman in front of me

23:47

in it's had six mega packs of what

23:49

sets in her boss now I don't know

23:51

what she's doing in eight. Sit.

23:53

Through nice right? But it was not up. Edifying

23:56

site and he just oh my god, what's

23:58

I candidates and I thought yep, You know

24:00

that? They're They're all on offer. the

24:02

cheap. they're easy that kids blight them

24:05

qu said Morrison addicts his and so

24:07

to actually get from point A to

24:09

point B. Across. Anything

24:12

other than the foodie. Metropolitan.

24:14

Culture is gonna take a radical lowering

24:16

of price of decent food. yeah and

24:18

that doesn't happen by magic it had

24:21

it happens by again government intervention I

24:23

mean that done it to at this

24:25

suit and extend with the shook attack

24:27

civilians they had but soon as a

24:29

they they've backed down on the t

24:31

for one stuff right right? So I

24:34

mean is it that this is i

24:36

think of really a rich seem of

24:38

of. Normalcy debate people should

24:40

be talking about how do we

24:42

get to this outcome yet and

24:44

I think I think maybe what's

24:46

happening because obviously it's complicated since

24:48

neon sign the stance people are

24:50

on in a really tight budget

24:52

have to feed families than of

24:54

course you default to yeah what

24:56

you can do but you know

24:58

there is. This is why I

25:00

was. You know when there was this huge hue and cry

25:03

about. How to Tesco? So a

25:05

chicken for to power fifty rock? I

25:07

was very hesitant. Suits feel like oh.

25:10

Animal. Welfare must be protected. Rule on

25:12

people must pay. I quit for a

25:14

chicken. Know whatever a kind of felt

25:16

well if that chickens feeding a family

25:19

and that's all he can afford and

25:21

it's still a bloody chicken and is

25:23

nutritional and it's cooked with fresh vegetables.

25:25

Whatever you can make a good meal

25:27

and not pumped full of chlorine that

25:29

I'm not pumped full of water, chlorine

25:31

with preservatives and sodium nitrate and all

25:33

of this crap then yeah okay. I'm

25:36

ah, I will park my reservations about

25:38

animal welfare in that regard. A case

25:40

controversial. But the apartheid, ah to that. There's

25:42

a trade off. I I would

25:44

suit but if is your solution

25:46

would be to say well let's

25:49

have the government pay for increased

25:51

animal welfare but keep the price

25:53

of inaudible for everybody than fantastic

25:55

And I think you know Jack

25:57

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26:00

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26:02

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26:04

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very very helpful yes and next to

26:08

nothing here was magical. Ah heard so

26:10

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26:12

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26:15

i think her and yeah I said

26:17

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26:19

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