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Hello. I'm Craig Parkinson, and

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this is the two shot podcast of

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the catalog, and let's dive in. How

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the devilaya, it's Thursday.

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You know it is. Yeah. It's the t shirt

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podcast. Oh. Bit

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cold. I'll have to put the heat on, but I don't

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really wanna do that. It turns through in the afternoon.

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It doesn't seem right, but it is. It's

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very cold here in Manchester to put

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something that has just warmed me

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up now and now you know how

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much I love doing this podcast. I

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get to me all sorts of interesting

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characters, week in, week out.

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But this episode that you're about

1:01

to hear has jumped straight

1:04

straight into the top three favorites.

1:07

Favorite TSPs of all

1:09

time. It's it's

1:12

just a a beautiful chat

1:14

with a lovely, lovely man.

1:17

It's Sean Keveyvey. He

1:20

has been he was our

1:22

breakfast show host on sixth music

1:24

we all listened to, and he jumped to the afternoon. And

1:27

now he's doing all sorts of

1:29

incredible things that you're gonna hear about.

1:33

Even before I got to know, Sean,

1:36

He's interviewed me few times and

1:38

I have various mutual friends, and we became

1:41

pals. So it was a

1:43

joy to have him on. We've been trying

1:45

to to plan it for quite

1:47

some time. But

1:49

this frosty wintery

1:53

January afternoon was the perfect time

1:55

to do it. And we

1:57

had the greatest

2:00

chance it's so lovely

2:02

because well,

2:04

because it's Sean, really. He

2:09

Yes. He's a radio personality, Adhesives,

2:12

but he's always been himself. He's

2:14

always been Shawn and I think

2:17

I know that's what I'm

2:19

sort of gaining such a following and such

2:22

a community community, the word

2:24

that comes up quite a lot. Such

2:26

a community with with his radio

2:28

show. Yeah. And you're gonna get to

2:30

hear So let's

2:32

let's welcome to the

2:34

sushop Podcast. The wonderful

2:37

Sean Keaveny. Enjoy. See,

2:39

I went already over that.

2:41

Sean me. Sean

2:43

Keefe me. And, yeah, if you enjoy,

2:46

and I shall see you at the end.

2:53

Sean, I don't normally do this, but

2:55

because it's you special. It's

2:58

very

2:59

special. I've I was on the treadmill

3:01

this morning. Actual treadmill,

3:03

not the treadmill of life. Life. And I

3:05

thought I'm gonna write

3:08

Sean an introduction to

3:10

pay homage to to what

3:12

you did. So he read it. He should go with it and

3:14

he can't go with it afterwards. You're right. Okay.

3:16

Thank you. Gonna get my best

3:18

radio voice on. Okay.

3:22

Let's go. This week

3:24

on the two shot podcast I'm joined

3:26

by a man, a legend

3:28

in the world of broadcasting. For

3:30

years, he was the beating heart of

3:32

our breakfast routine. To

3:34

some, he's the micyard of his

3:36

generation. A man of

3:38

around seven voices.

3:41

Primarily being deceased coronation street

3:43

characters that only those of a certain age

3:45

will remember and two and

3:47

two of the Beatles. As

3:49

sometimes stand

3:51

up comic, an author, an

3:54

interviewer, a band member,

3:56

a a baker, a candlestick

3:58

maker, citation needed on those last

4:00

three occupations. He's

4:03

he's excuse me, he's a Lancashire legend

4:05

who's lining up liner

4:08

Yeah. And changing the way we

4:10

listen to radio one day

4:12

at a time. But mainly on a

4:14

Friday over the internet. Ladies and gentlemen, it's

4:16

Sean. Now

4:21

I now I know why I options.

4:23

Having had one from you, because

4:25

it disarms the protagonist

4:28

immediately and makes them go, oh,

4:30

soft ballad and they go, oh, you've that's

4:32

nice. You've made an effort. You know what

4:34

I do. Brilliant, isn't it? It's a

4:36

good little device. I mean, it

4:38

is good. As I said, in the

4:40

five years, I've been doing this podcast, I've I've

4:42

never done that. I might I might

4:44

start, dear. Do you think it worked? Did you like that,

4:46

Sean? Don't brought you up. It buffed me

4:48

right. You know, you need it in Jan. Don't

4:50

you? You need a little buff. And

4:52

I'll just take you up on a couple of things,

4:54

though. Alright. Well, correct. Oh, no.

4:56

Big big red ticks all round.

4:58

Thank you. But I particularly enjoyed

5:01

your your mention of my yaw

5:03

with not only because you're old,

5:05

just about old enough to remember him. Mhmm.

5:07

And for those that aren't, he was

5:09

an mostly an impressionist of

5:11

the seventies and early eighties. And

5:14

His birthday is the fourteenth of

5:16

June, which is my birthday, which

5:18

is boy George's birthday. He's also Donald

5:20

Trump's birthday. Oh. See,

5:24

it's almost like I've done a bit of research.

5:26

You've done that. You you the bullet

5:28

down. Great. You tell what? Start the whiter.

5:31

Sure. As we normally do, this is

5:33

how I normally open things. I'm

5:35

just gonna fire some just

5:38

some questions to you. You interpret them

5:40

however you wish. But we start

5:42

off as we always do with John

5:45

a good film or a good book,

5:47

Christ. Not Christ.

5:49

No. That's not what I wanna put down.

5:51

The the bible. The bible. Already

5:54

from cover to cover. I did

5:56

theology degree at I actually did a

5:58

theology in public media degree. Not

6:01

because I was a god fearing citizen, but

6:03

because I I had to leave and go back to

6:05

college under a cloud and

6:07

theology is the only subject available.

6:10

Anyway, that's an aside. I would say

6:12

as far as a book's concern, I

6:14

haven't read a good novel for over a

6:16

year now. I've I've gone I've slipped

6:19

into a music biography space

6:21

recently. But I wanna get back into novels. And

6:23

the last good one that I read was

6:25

I forgot the name of it. What

6:28

is it called? The one that Douglas, you know, the Scottish

6:30

writer Douglas Stewart Yeah.

6:33

He Was it Sugar Bay?

6:35

Sugar Bay and Waldem. Loved

6:38

that. I love stuff like that.

6:40

There's one called Karru as well. It's

6:42

one of my favorites, which is

6:44

about this New York writer,

6:46

this smart arse New York writer.

6:49

Who is a bit of a mess and

6:51

he messes up everybody's lives around him. But

6:53

then it ends in the most ridiculous and

6:55

surreal and brilliant and sad way. And

6:57

then as far as films are concerned, I

7:00

really wish that I could remember the the

7:02

film that my wife and I watched last night.

7:04

It was a Lebanese

7:06

film is really good. But

7:10

to play it safe, as

7:12

if I was Stephen Henry on the snooker table,

7:14

I would say something like I'd

7:16

I'd I'd have to say something really obvious

7:19

because I'm not I'm not really that much of

7:21

a film buff and say something

7:23

like In

7:26

the name of the father or the Sharshank redemption

7:29

or the first two godfathers, very,

7:32

very strong strong choices.

7:35

Sean, for you, Saturday

7:39

night or Sunday morning. God.

7:44

Well, no. It's more Sunday morning

7:46

in it than Saturday night. I think

7:48

it changes over the years. And I'm

7:50

hoping I'm looking forward to changing again

7:53

because When when do you think it'll change again?

7:56

Right. Let's think my youngest is three.

7:58

Because I've I've gone back into the burning building.

8:02

And so I'm like an idiot. Why?

8:06

Why did you do that? We have a mutual

8:08

friend who's who went into the burning

8:10

building just a year before

8:11

me. And and

8:13

and I mean, well, you know, the

8:16

thing is she's a pleasure to

8:18

get up for. She's absolutely amazing.

8:20

So it's alright. But when she

8:22

starts laying in a bit or when she starts getting to

8:24

that edge where I you

8:26

can leave me with Danny and grandpit for the

8:28

weekend if you want, then I'll be right back

8:30

on it. But I got it

8:32

right now probably won't be for another five or six

8:34

years. So for now, it's Sunday

8:36

morning. It's coming downstairs with the youngest

8:38

or perhaps with all three of them. Putting

8:40

on a pot of coffee and

8:43

eating some quality carbohydrate, staring out the

8:45

window. It's a strong

8:47

strong Sunday start. Sean, as a

8:49

father of of two

8:51

young boys and two and one young

8:53

girl. Did you see a huge because I'm

8:55

obviously father of a son. I don't

8:57

have a daughter. But do

8:59

you see huge differences as

9:02

between the young boys and the young girls? Were you

9:04

prepared for it? No. I wasn't prepared

9:06

for it. So IIII

9:09

mean, I don't I'm not prepared for anything in

9:11

life because people are gonna

9:13

get really sick of this. Because

9:15

I talk I've talked about little else in interviews

9:18

for a year now, but being

9:20

adult ADD. Mhmm. I won't

9:22

go into it. I'll leave it. I'll leave that

9:25

twitching on the at at your feet there.

9:27

We have to unpack that. But one of the

9:29

sim one of the things that happens when you have it

9:31

for me, at least, is that future

9:33

planning, thinking into the future, it

9:36

it's not available to you. So you don't you

9:38

the only thing you've got is panic. Because

9:41

you you can't imagine what it's like. You can't

9:43

plan it. So you don't you tend to

9:45

panic. So when the third Babble came

9:47

along, I was just I think I

9:49

ruined my wife's pregnancy completely

9:51

by just constantly being in a free

9:53

fall. My it's

9:55

just looking. But But

9:58

but but the thing about this

10:00

particular girl in and I've heard a

10:02

lot of people say this, the difference between boys and

10:04

girls and it sort of rings true. That

10:07

in to be very generalized

10:09

about it, boys tend to be

10:12

chaotic, more chaotic, more

10:14

energetic in a physical

10:16

sense, more physical, more a bit more

10:18

crackers, a bit more difficult

10:20

to entertain, you know, you can tell them the

10:22

thing eighty times and they don't really

10:24

listen. Mhmm. And and in general I'm

10:26

being very general here in other many,

10:28

etcetera, rules. But girls tend to

10:30

be a little bit more nurturing, a little

10:32

bit more in tune with what another person

10:34

thinks even at the young age. You

10:36

know, the the the my

10:38

three year old girl is already,

10:40

like, tidier than my fourteen

10:42

and twelve year old boys. Yeah. Just

10:44

as an example, you know. And and that's

10:46

just a really basic stuff. I mean, that,

10:48

you know, obviously, as as they get

10:50

older, it gets much more sophisticated, doesn't

10:53

it? Mhmm. But that's what I've that's what I've

10:55

noticed so far. So

10:57

far it could all change.

11:00

Very well. Sean, you're at

11:02

the theater. Oh, god.

11:04

I think it's not it's not going

11:06

well. Do you do

11:08

you walk out of the

11:10

interval? do you sit through it?

11:13

I've done it. I've done that before. I have

11:15

walked out of things. I'm a

11:17

bit of I've been told

11:19

off of saying this recently because you you don't

11:21

don't categorize yourself, Sean, don't paint yourself

11:24

into a corner. But I

11:26

tend to be a bit of a French exit kind of

11:28

a guy. I do that more at night nights

11:30

out than than stuff like the

11:32

theater. So, you know, I

11:34

have a skin full. I I think

11:36

I've said everything I'm gonna say, start getting a

11:38

bit tired and then it just took off. Mhmm. But

11:40

in the theater, I

11:42

don't go to the theater often enough.

11:44

I don't think to to do that. So

11:46

when I do go, it's because it's

11:48

something that I've I really

11:50

wanna see. And so it's so unlikely.

11:53

However, in I think in the year two thousand and

11:55

five, I've seemed to remember this isn't quite the

11:57

theater going to watch

11:59

Chicago Mhmm. In

12:01

common garden, Chicago. Chicago.

12:04

Chicago. With my ex

12:06

wife, that's a bit more New York.

12:08

And sorry, I can't do the all

12:10

the American nuances. It's

12:12

not one of my seven voices, though.

12:15

And Oh,

12:17

Percy. Get off a bit woman. And

12:20

and me and me and Mike's wife walked her

12:22

that halfway through because It was

12:24

just like it weren't working for us. You know,

12:26

I'm not I'm not really a musicals

12:28

guy. He's a general rule myself. I don't

12:30

know about you. My first

12:33

job was a musical song. Can't

12:35

sing. Can't sing. How did I get

12:37

it? Don't know. Tell me a little bit more

12:39

about that. Well,

12:41

it was either graduate

12:44

from drama school and carry

12:46

on working in pizza hot in

12:48

wood grain. Not not

12:50

not a nice environment. Nothing

12:52

against dates. I played my ladies as well

12:54

as the drama school is good, or

12:57

do I go and pretend to

12:59

to sing in a in a Western show and earn

13:01

a few hundred quid a week at twenty one in

13:03

nineteen ninety seven and try

13:05

and bluff it. Yeah. Bluffed it

13:07

for a few months of your honor. Best

13:10

acting I've ever done, getting that job.

13:12

I'm amazed

13:13

I didn't know that. That's so

13:15

good. Yeah. So at that Seattle,

13:17

not that big on it. Sean,

13:20

less ambition or

13:22

more ambition as

13:25

we

13:26

we age. Mhmm. Well,

13:29

well, that's a really good question, I

13:31

think, for people in

13:33

my age because

13:36

what I would I'd love to be in a

13:38

position of being able to say less

13:41

because if I

13:43

had followed every

13:45

rainbow of opportunity to this

13:47

point. And

13:50

sort of become what

13:52

might want one of my first radio bosses, the

13:54

brilliant and the wonderful Leslie Douglas, who

13:56

was used to run six music in radio

13:58

two. And I've said this before,

14:00

but one of the things she said to me in our

14:02

first proper meeting when she employed me in two

14:04

thousand and six was she's a

14:06

wonderful geordie woman. You

14:09

you would be the next Jonathan Ross.

14:11

And I was, like, so filled

14:13

with what it's the so for the

14:15

only time we've ever felt it. It's certainly not resulted in

14:17

the intervening seventeen years. Walking on

14:20

sunshine, Craig, I was like, well,

14:22

I am just a ball of potential

14:24

here. Be on the way is up, and

14:26

Yas was right. And

14:29

but I didn't I didn't really fulfill all that

14:31

potential in in that way.

14:33

I I fulfilled it in many other ways and I I don't

14:35

have any regrets about it. But the

14:37

consequence of of me not

14:40

being that ambitious for the last

14:42

twenty years is that I probably

14:44

have to get a bit more ambitious now

14:47

so that I can continue to pay my

14:49

mortgage and maybe

14:50

not. Maybe actually be

14:52

able to afford to retire at seventy

14:54

eight.

14:54

You know what I mean? That's my that's my

14:57

new ambition. Maybe I could get

14:59

a little a little

15:01

bottle or something when I'm seventy eight. I mean,

15:03

like, you know, I could talk like like one that goes on

15:05

the canal. And I could

15:07

take my foot off the gas around that time.

15:10

So in a weird way, I've

15:12

I've got to force myself to be more

15:14

ambitious in these middle years, I think.

15:16

Was that ever a plan to

15:19

go so I'm just

15:21

writing down I'm just writing out

15:23

Keaveny, writing eight. Very

15:26

strong, Doherty. Was there ever a

15:28

plan for

15:30

you to to move into

15:32

television. Because for me,

15:35

before we got to know each other and you've interviewed

15:37

me a few times, your

15:40

home just seems the

15:42

radio. Mhmm. You you you fit

15:44

so well. And I and I think I

15:46

know why I think it's because I

15:48

think it's because you're a very good listener. Yeah.

15:51

Okay. I like that. Yeah.

15:53

I think I I agree. I do agree

15:55

with with you. I think that I'm

15:58

radio. You, you know, cut cut me and

16:00

it will say radio throughout,

16:03

and it would be awful to do that. But I

16:05

I am radio. I am I am an audio

16:08

person. Mhmm. And

16:10

I think that, again, that's a lot to do with

16:12

my brain and my wiring. You will

16:14

notice I'm doing it right now for the listeners at

16:16

home you can't see. I close my

16:18

eyes a lot when I'm talking, you know. It's

16:20

something to do with the way it all works,

16:22

the And so the

16:24

audio environment for me can

16:26

zone -- Mhmm. --

16:28

maybe I've got headphones

16:30

So we're using using a technical

16:32

balance there. I've got

16:34

my if I've got my little environment

16:37

right, got my

16:39

mixing desk. I don't know all the fairness

16:41

do. I've got my little carte wall, which is where

16:43

all my suns reside and all my

16:45

little beds I talk over. I've

16:47

got the music over here. If

16:49

I've got that, I can do anything. I

16:51

could I could do a twenty four hour broadcast if

16:53

you really wanted to, you would want that.

16:55

So I'm in my comfort zone. You take me

16:57

out of that. You put you put as you

16:59

know this, if you're in a

17:01

television studio, you are

17:03

completely powerless, really. You're

17:05

you're virtually powerless. You know, if you're Chris

17:07

Evans in nineteen ninety three, maybe you're

17:09

not because you've you're a powerful person

17:11

and you can hire and fire. So I

17:13

want it like this, and that's a lot of shit.

17:16

But mostly, in general, if you do

17:18

Intelie, you're just a cog in a wheel.

17:20

And and and some people are so good

17:22

at it. And it's never been my ambition really. And

17:24

I do bits, you know, I do I do like

17:26

doing stuff for Sky Arts. We do they may

17:28

they very kindly employ me every year now or

17:30

more or less to do. The

17:32

Alawait Festival something, you know. And I just wanted two other

17:34

presenters. It's usually me and EDith

17:36

or somebody else. And it's great. You know,

17:38

this I'll tell you what. You

17:40

wanna camera and go to the top of the big wheel and talk, so

17:43

I'm shy for for ninety seconds. You know, I'm

17:45

good at that. No problem. Not

17:47

problem. But the idea of

17:49

doing it

17:49

proper. It doesn't really interest

17:52

me in it. And

17:54

also,

17:54

I'd have to then I would have

17:56

to probably have to get one of those peloton

17:58

bikes, Craig, and I pro you know what I

18:00

mean? I probably the the vanity would

18:02

kick in. I'd see myself and I'd go, you

18:04

gotta lose us down. You have to

18:06

lose a stone. And and that

18:09

the you know what it's like. The the age of

18:11

fifty, I'm gonna lose a stone for get

18:13

it mate. I mean, it's hard enough at forty

18:15

six. I find showing it all changes.

18:17

Oh, mate. When you get you get over forty

18:19

five, your eyes go, you you know, you put

18:21

another couple of inches around the

18:23

waist. It's a nightmare. Sure.

18:25

One last question. Not one

18:27

last question. One last question of this.

18:30

Would

18:30

you say you're a better host or a

18:33

better guest? I love that. I

18:35

love that. I love that. Well,

18:37

like I said, another good

18:40

one I've rarely been a a

18:42

guest until recently. And

18:44

then leaving music was

18:46

was many it

18:48

was weird, but it was good for so many things. And

18:50

one of the things it was all of a sudden

18:52

good for was that people wanted to interview me,

18:54

you know, it felt great because pay

18:57

But partially, to be honest, it's a bit of an ego boost,

18:59

which we all

19:00

need. But secondly,

19:02

you took the weight right off me. I didn't have

19:04

to do what you had to do. And

19:07

fucking go through, bloody go on the

19:09

internet and find stuff out, but you just sit there

19:11

and talk nonsense. But

19:13

the idea of I mean, again, me and me

19:15

and my missus sit and we'll walk we'll watch

19:18

a graham night and on a Friday night just to

19:20

wind down and some people

19:22

are professional guests, aren't they? Some people

19:24

are so good at it. And they bring

19:26

the anecdote. Yee. They know exactly

19:29

what to do after they've got that those

19:31

impressions in the locker that no one's in them do before

19:33

they're gonna bring those out at the prime time,

19:35

aren't they? They're really good. And they said dang that. You

19:37

know, I

19:37

mean, obviously, the greatest expo on Billy Congle

19:39

or somebody like that. But then

19:41

there's lots of other people who have good at

19:44

it. So I don't know. I think I

19:46

still think I'm probably a better host, though,

19:49

probably, because I'm I am good at getting the best

19:51

out of people in general, I think. Mhmm. Very

19:53

very few people that I've I've come up against

19:55

that I've not ended

19:57

up tickling the belly of, you know.

19:59

That's true? You included,

20:01

Craig.

20:01

Your belly has been tickled by

20:03

me couple of times, you say?

20:05

Off air and on air. So I would

20:08

say. But I miss, you you

20:10

mentioned Grown Northern there. And

20:12

he's very good at his job on

20:14

what he does. But I

20:17

do miss the

20:19

days of the other Parkinson's.

20:22

And for them, you know, the other

20:24

one. You know that one. The lesson The

20:26

lesson now. I miss that

20:28

former. I missed that style of

20:31

people coming on

20:33

and not just having seven to

20:35

twelve minutes live in the new

20:37

TV show or, you know,

20:39

talking about a film that we all know is

20:41

terrible, but they kind of they're

20:43

really pushing it. I find

20:45

that I don't get anything

20:47

about that person. It was one of the reasons why I

20:49

started this podcast because it's like, I don't

20:51

care whenever I talk to actors. We

20:54

never talk about jobs. We never talk you

20:56

don't don't have to tell me what what's on

20:58

you're on telling next week. I don't really care.

21:00

Don't matter. I want to

21:02

I want the listeners and I want

21:04

to discover more about the person who's in front

21:06

of me. Like they did like they did

21:09

like and people some people won't remember

21:11

this at all, but like Russ or Harty --

21:13

Mhmm. -- too, like Michael Parks and

21:15

he's too. In some respects,

21:18

like, woegan news -- Yes. -- you

21:21

know? I totally yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

21:23

absolutely. But but

21:23

again, it's it's an old it's an old idea

21:26

in a sense of then

21:28

again, that's what's good about Podcasts as well. Isn't it? Is it

21:30

that's it fills that gap a little bit and that

21:32

you Podcasts like yours is great for that.

21:34

It gives people an opportunity

21:36

to unpack themselves a little bit and

21:38

in a bit more time. But yeah, those

21:40

those names. Wagon and

21:43

he's back he's always he's never far from

21:45

my thoughts because he was my mentor when I

21:47

started walking walking around the house and he was a very

21:49

kind man to me, but also just

21:52

an incredible, like I said, TV host.

21:54

He was at some of the if you got on YouTube

21:56

and watch some of those vets

21:58

of him, interviewing people, he's really

22:01

Sometimes he's really he's

22:04

incisive. Sometimes he's sometimes he's just

22:06

playing funny. He's always getting the best set

22:08

of people. But when when he needs

22:10

to be, he can be he

22:12

can stay down the barrel and be really harsh

22:14

like he put people in the place,

22:16

not take any shit, incredible

22:19

skill to do that national television three

22:21

night nights a week, which is all -- Yeah.

22:23

Yeah. -- ridiculous. And like you

22:25

said, like Parkinson, he's

22:27

not It's that idea of

22:29

that that's what I I completely agree.

22:31

I can't I'm allergic to people

22:33

selling me shit. And that's perhaps an

22:35

age thing. And I can't be doing with

22:38

it. And and I did AAA

22:40

very old starred podcast and

22:42

I only did ten episodes of it because there's too much like

22:44

our work, Greg, but it

22:47

was called Sean Keyman's creative,

22:49

called Asak. And that was

22:51

the the idea of that was, like, just going

22:53

through your notebooks. So we're gonna have Craig

22:55

Parkinson on this week. Bring us bring us a

22:57

lot of stuff from the top drawer

22:59

of your desk, and we'll go through some of your dead

23:01

ideas. And that was the basic idea.

23:03

But the the real idea behind it was, let's

23:05

just have a conversation about something

23:07

with an interesting person who's done some stuff

23:09

but not about what the selling know. Mhmm.

23:11

Because what could be a bigger turn off than

23:14

that. Incidentally, incidentally, community

23:16

garden radio is every Friday. You can catch it

23:18

at patreon dot com slash sewn caving in the line

23:20

up survey. You'll get your podcast in another episode

23:23

Another series of your players on mine will be coming up

23:25

in April on BBC sounds.

23:27

Griff, there's your edit point there. Just take

23:29

that out. When we can't sell it, Phil will

23:31

be fine with it. It's We'll plug it

23:33

in the show notes. Sean,

23:37

let's go back. Let's go

23:39

way back. Let's go back to Lee.

23:41

In Lancashire. Let's let's

23:44

talk about family life

23:46

in the

23:47

household. Tell me there, please.

23:49

Oh, I'm glad oh, what I love the

23:51

question? I am ballast,

23:54

Craig. A ballast. I

23:56

am a ballast man. And

24:00

I've had this convo relatively recently and

24:02

it's been it's been great to be taken back

24:04

to to to childhood because

24:08

I cannot the

24:10

the when people ask me that, it reminds

24:12

me of about the gratitude

24:14

I mean, the list of gratitude, you know.

24:16

And so obviously, we can all

24:19

get caught up with, oh, that should have

24:21

happened. That didn't happen. Why is

24:23

that not jump come up? Why

24:25

do we we need a we need a kitchen

24:27

extension? Next door's got one. We haven't got

24:29

one. What the fuck's going on? You know, the

24:32

and really important to

24:34

remember the bina daily gratitude.

24:36

And I I honestly, my

24:38

family they

24:40

are like a modern they are a

24:42

one an ancient and modern wonder of the

24:44

World My Family. They're a big old

24:46

family, northwest of

24:49

England, the Keaveny, I don't

24:51

know, like,

24:52

you know, a hundred years ago would have

24:54

been living in sort of near

24:56

goal way somewhere. then one of the

24:58

tourbastards came across the

25:01

Irish Sea and ended up in

25:03

near Wiggans somewhere, which I mean, what a

25:05

god for second place. That must have been it's

25:07

it's it's not hard times now, but hundred

25:09

years

25:09

ago. Yeah. And and and there we

25:12

go. But, you know,

25:14

we we always

25:15

we always the communities live near each other, and they

25:18

still do. I'm I'm the massive outlier

25:20

who left, but nearly all the

25:22

rest of them. And that includes

25:24

all other families, so the keeping

25:26

is the makings, the orals,

25:28

you know. They're they're all sort of

25:30

within streets of each other. There's this huge

25:33

network. And so

25:35

when we went back up at

25:36

Christmas, it's just there are so many people

25:38

to see there are so many houses to go in. But

25:40

when we

25:41

were kids, Our house in particular,

25:44

my mom and dad's house became a

25:46

hub for a lot of my

25:48

friends and and they all

25:50

used to sort of descend upon our house. And

25:52

we'd have huge Christmas part. It's family and

25:54

friends. It's all very, it's

25:56

very beautiful. And it's only when you look back as

25:58

an adult, you realize if you are any kind

26:00

of success as a human, that

26:03

that's why, you know, because they

26:05

they sort of created that whatever,

26:07

you know, I mean, there are bad things about it. Like,

26:09

that's one of the reasons I'm not particularly

26:11

ambitious person because I haven't got any

26:13

burning thing inside me, any kind of

26:15

alpha. I can't show you, dad. You

26:18

said I can't can't do it. Well, I

26:20

can't do in it. You know, it's none of that

26:22

because my mom and dad have always been,

26:24

well, I just don't know why he's not prime

26:26

minister Billy. Now that who are,

26:28

John? It's their

26:30

loss. Anyway, he's on radio

26:32

two on Friday, and it's the best show I've

26:34

ever heard. so with all that

26:36

love, you know, the waves of

26:38

love, what oh, can you fail? You can't.

26:40

So -- No. -- not at all. The

26:42

foundations there of love for very

26:44

strong and supportive aren't they?

26:46

Mhmm. This is all lovely. I've

26:48

been I've been a good northern hearth

26:50

and home that I'm I'm very

26:52

happy about it. Did you

26:54

miss the North Sean? Yeah.

26:57

Yeah. I do miss it. I do miss

26:59

it. Oh, you know, all the

27:01

conversations go maybe

27:03

one day, you know, or maybe

27:05

we could I don't know. But I

27:07

I don't think I don't think I'd probably would

27:09

move back to lay really

27:12

because I wouldn't be able to do my

27:14

work so much there and stuff like that, you

27:16

know. And I go up we go up a lot

27:18

anyway, so it's probably not that necessary.

27:20

You know, that I was I did have a

27:22

thought at Christmas. We were walking past the

27:25

ice, bungalow on the canal,

27:27

and I was like, the table. You

27:29

know, this is me being not not being

27:31

avaricious again. If I

27:33

could just, like, have a bit of a

27:35

successful couple of years and then

27:37

buy a little cottage in, like,

27:40

on the canal nearly. And

27:42

then whenever we come up, you know, we can stay

27:44

in our little cottage by you

27:46

know. Her dear wife's

27:48

just like, Right. Okay. Weird. Weird. Weird.

27:50

Weird dream to have Version, but

27:52

you shoot big mate. You

27:53

shoot big. Speaking of

27:56

north and speaking of radio, Sean,

27:58

it it you do have a it's a

28:00

it's a strong Lancashire accent.

28:03

That you have, that you've never really shied away from.

28:05

Were you ever told

28:07

by heads of department

28:09

in radio to tone

28:12

it down or sound more

28:15

like XYZ.

28:17

Well, I was looking in

28:19

a way because when I started, which would have been I

28:21

I did my first ever chose on

28:23

my own, on London's Honor four by

28:25

nine XFM in the year two thousand.

28:28

Twenty three years ago.

28:31

And the first charge I did,

28:33

they were very kind and they gave me a slot,

28:35

which was midnight till six

28:38

On a Sunday six hours.

28:40

I'm currently doing I'm Johnny Walker's

28:42

rock show on radio two at the moment. God,

28:44

thank you so much to Johnny for letting me do

28:46

it. And that's a one hour show. And

28:50

that seemed like a I

28:52

was so much fun to do one hour.

28:54

Believe it. You've rather take you're not taking

28:56

your coats off. You know,

28:58

I've I've been saying this. I've been in past office

29:00

queues longer than this. Can show?

29:03

But, you know, six hours is is a slog, you know.

29:05

But the one thing that I

29:07

I used to dread was the the in

29:09

radio, they do a thing called a snoop or they

29:11

used to do. Where you

29:14

you would have whenever you had failed, it went

29:16

up, it would activate a little tape recorder

29:18

and it would record your link. And

29:20

every so often, your line

29:22

manager, your program controller, in my

29:24

case, the guy called Andrew Phillips, a

29:26

lovely guy, actually. He called

29:28

me in. 999

29:32

voices. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. It's a little

29:34

short carry on. That's

29:36

right. I don't know. I I certainly can't

29:38

do a New Zealand accent.

29:41

And and he he would I dread it because

29:43

he he he didn't with

29:45

the best of all in the world at the time, I I just don't think he really got

29:47

what I was doing because nobody did. It

29:49

was like, why is this doer?

29:54

Slow talking. This

29:57

miserableist guy talking.

29:59

Yeah. Don't you listen to

30:01

capital? Don't don't you listen to

30:04

magic effect? Don't don't you understand what a

30:06

radio presenter is. Haven't you ever haven't you ever

30:08

heard Bruno or Brooks? You

30:09

know, so the one thing that people like that would always say

30:12

without fail, and it still happens sometimes

30:14

today for work at other stations

30:17

is

30:18

Just a little bit maybe a bit more

30:20

just a bit more really cheap. Just bring

30:22

it up a bit. Yeah. Bring it up. That's it. Yeah.

30:24

You love it. You look you'd love to

30:27

power you love to bow. Shining

30:29

you in your hand. You love it.

30:31

You that exactly. You know, that's

30:33

sort of a With a smile. Say it

30:35

with a smile. I I wanna

30:37

see the smile -- Yeah. -- in your eyes and it needs to

30:40

come out of the voice. It's that. You've

30:42

heard it. You've seen it. It's a bit it's

30:44

very Steven toast, you know.

30:47

And and and I was the

30:49

one one of the few times, and I

30:51

don't make many possible decisions

30:53

because I'm indecisive and I I don't count

30:56

plan. But one thing I decided really early

30:58

on was it's it's shit I'll bust

31:00

me. You you either employ me because you like

31:02

me or you can go off because I'm

31:04

not gonna

31:05

see or especially we're not at half

31:07

past three on on a Tuesday morning.

31:09

Yeah. Pretend to be happy to be

31:12

there. You must be joking. I mean,

31:14

that would That's actual

31:16

insanity. Isn't it? And the

31:18

idea of tuning it, they don't have over and not live

31:20

over and it's on any radio station. Is anyone a

31:22

much lamenter? If you

31:24

tuned into somebody at twenty plus three

31:26

on a on a Tuesday morning and they

31:28

sounded chirpy. And let's go

31:30

through the papers. Anyway, Rishi

31:33

Sunak is talking about

31:35

forcing children to do maths

31:37

until eighteen. Huge energy

31:39

crisis, of course, bills go up seventy

31:41

nine thousand percent. Anyway, this is

31:43

China crisis with just starting your arms

31:46

tonight. It's like that

31:48

sounds like a kind of thing that if you you

31:50

know, you've got I've gone to the back of your

31:52

neck. So then what the ultimate

31:54

to interrupt, do you remember

31:57

a film called midnight caller? Yeah.

31:59

That's what I was like. He

32:01

used to talk very, very slow,

32:03

very and people would call him with

32:05

questions, dilemma's problems. Yeah. And

32:07

they would they would just talk through the night. Very

32:09

nice. Yeah. Very nice. That's what I would like to hear

32:11

on the radio. That's what you want at that

32:14

time of night. Exactly. You want in you want

32:16

intimacy. You want honesty. You

32:18

want You want and

32:19

also, in my view, and I it's been born

32:21

out, people wanna hear somebody

32:24

who sometimes is suffering more

32:26

than they

32:26

are. Or at least as much. They don't

32:28

want and that's why the Chris Evans effect

32:30

is remarkable to me, but and that's another

32:33

it's a divergent and a different kind of broadcasting. It's

32:35

an aspirational kind of broadcasting,

32:37

which I also understand the the

32:39

need for. That kind of my

32:41

life's great. I

32:43

drove here in a Ferrari. I I

32:45

was just saying to my wife in

32:47

our seven thousand square foot kitchen.

32:49

You know, that some people really like that stuff

32:52

and that's great, but

32:54

that is I would literally rather

32:56

cut my skin ears off with

32:58

a with an ax, then listen to

33:00

that for nine seconds. I'm much more

33:02

about things being real,

33:04

you know. But I think

33:06

that's that's you

33:08

just said the word intimacy. I think

33:10

that is such a strong connection with

33:12

the listener to radio because

33:14

I can I can

33:16

hear lies on the radio.

33:18

Yeah. You can just hear it. Or

33:20

if someone's been interviewed somewhere

33:22

and they're laughing at what they've

33:24

said. You don't find that for me. You don't have

33:26

to pretend that it's for

33:29

me. But with your personality,

33:31

with a radio personality,

33:34

your breakfast show.

33:37

Compared

33:39

to hosting an afternoon

33:42

show. Did you have what changes and you have

33:44

to implement that? Oh, another.

33:47

It's another Zynga actually that makes

33:49

making me think about stuff. Well,

33:51

I want That's what we want.

33:54

One of the I I

33:56

honestly think, but one of the

33:58

reasons that I got shown the door at six music

34:00

was because we didn't think about that

34:02

enough. You know, and

34:04

and and he's I don't wanna I don't wanna open

34:06

old ways. So Sorry.

34:09

I I couldn't be happier to be out

34:11

of there, but but I miss it. I miss a lot

34:13

of my lovely friends there, but otherwise happy

34:15

to move on. But but That

34:17

does answer the question away because I we

34:20

know in all honesty, I don't think

34:22

we I don't think I

34:25

took the change I couldn't get

34:27

my head around it, to be honest. I couldn't get

34:29

my head around it. I'm not very good at that.

34:32

I'm good at the talking bit. I'm good

34:34

at the dicking about it and making jokes, making things funny,

34:36

making people feel comfortable. I'm good

34:38

at all that's the nuts and bolts of.

34:40

But anything to do, as I said before,

34:42

with planning, with

34:44

strategy terrible at it. And so

34:46

what ended up actually happening, Craig, is

34:48

that I really think that we more or less did

34:50

what we were doing in the morning, more

34:54

In the afternoon. We made a couple of different couple of little changes

34:56

in tweaks, but that was it.

34:58

And consequently, I internally,

35:00

in my deep, deep subconscious, usually

35:04

quite good these days listening to the gut instinct,

35:06

but I thought it didn't in this instance because

35:08

it was so desperate to leave

35:10

breakfast that was so tired. That

35:13

I would do anything. And when they offered me the afternoons, I was

35:15

like, well, that's good because at least I don't have to go looking

35:17

for another bloody job somewhere else, you know, and I'm a path of

35:19

least resistance guy. So I

35:22

took it but didn't

35:24

revamp it, you know. And inside, I could

35:26

hear this tiny voice like at the bottom of a

35:28

well, Craig. Go ahead. And it was my inner

35:30

voice. You

35:32

fucked up. You've made a mistake. And I was like,

35:34

shut

35:34

up. I have another I

35:36

have another bottle of wine. Yo. You

35:39

I

35:39

won't show up. You've You've

35:41

teed up mate. You've made a mistake. You should've

35:43

left. You should've done something brave.

35:46

Shut up. And I was like and it's

35:48

literally that internal dialogue for for

35:50

ages and then COVID

35:51

happened, and we were amongst the only

35:53

people who could do our jobs at that

35:55

time. And we felt we took that

35:57

dead series and

35:58

we that really grew at that moment. My connection with

36:00

my audience got really, really strong then because of that

36:02

intimacy, because a lot of people were on their own,

36:04

because a lot of people were stuck

36:07

Yeah. And and it was an an ill and it

36:09

was an awful time. And so in a

36:11

way, although it was the worst time ever,

36:13

it was a it was a strong time

36:15

for us building that

36:18

relationship. And but that's the

36:20

thing. In the end, when they sort of said

36:22

you you gotta go, and I was a bit

36:24

upset and grieved. He soon

36:26

struck me. And my very good friend,

36:28

Murray Lachland, Young, the poet, pointed this

36:30

out because he's some kind of cosmic shame mad

36:32

man said, Sean, you've

36:34

been asking the cosmos to

36:37

move on for years. The

36:39

cosmos listened and the cosmos moved you on. Not in the way

36:41

you wanted to, but that's what you asked

36:43

for and that's what you got. And I was like,

36:45

shit. You're absolutely right. So

36:48

there you go. You know, I I should have paid more attention

36:52

to the

36:52

change, but it was great what happened

36:54

in the end, I suppose.

36:56

But it took a bit of time, obviously, for

36:58

you to accept that that change

37:00

was a good thing. Yeah. Yeah.

37:04

It did, you know, after all those years of of

37:07

being there and being there

37:09

for us as

37:10

listeners. You know? Does that ever harm

37:12

to you, Chris? I mean, you I know it's different

37:14

in a sense being an actor because

37:17

you that's you're paripathetic. You're that's the the job

37:19

of the actor is that you are you couldn't

37:22

possibly ever, like, the HMRC tried

37:24

to do with us at the BBC. Well, you

37:26

are no. An

37:28

employee of the BBC. You know that it was one of the things that was weird.

37:30

They could never do that with you because your entire

37:32

job is moving on from one to the next.

37:35

That's the whole point. But has that

37:37

kind of thing ever happened to you where you felt really comfortable in a place

37:39

and then you've you've been shoved

37:41

along without

37:43

your Well, you know, we were talking about

37:46

control before in regards

37:48

to sort of radio moving into

37:52

TV. That is the

37:54

one thing as actors there

37:56

is such a lack of control

37:58

because we're at the

38:00

behest of Script's being written and written

38:02

and direction being

38:04

given. And if you're comfortable

38:09

in a in a job. And you

38:11

really enjoy and you've got family atmosphere and

38:13

it's fantastic. And then all of a sudden, you turn the page

38:15

and you go, and he gets a

38:17

bullet in his head. Oh. Yeah. Oh, shit. I can't well, I kind

38:19

of knew it was common and

38:22

you just I

38:24

think when that first happened to me, I thought,

38:26

well, do you know what? I've

38:29

had a cracking run.

38:32

Yeah. And it wouldn't really

38:34

make sense story line

38:36

to carry on -- Yeah.

38:38

-- play in such role. So

38:41

maybe he needs to go down in a in

38:44

a blaze of bullets and blood

38:46

and a bit of glory. So

38:48

yeah, boy, as Sadizar

38:50

was for that specific

38:52

moment, he just a bit

38:54

of a bit of time away

38:56

in

38:56

Yiggo. No. It's definitely the right thing to do. So that's the only

38:58

thing I can sort of compare it to. But you're

39:00

absolutely that's what you gotta do. You gotta

39:02

zoom out, you know. You

39:05

gotta zoom out always. I try and tell this to the to the kids,

39:07

you know. Get a bit of perspective and

39:09

just zoom and it's not

39:11

that big actually. And also,

39:13

you know that the I'm very

39:16

cosmos orientated in my old

39:18

age. The mother in cosmos has got

39:20

someone else lined up for you that's hopefully

39:22

not yet that, you know, that the pine the pine alva carte.

39:24

There's gonna be another chapter. Some

39:26

interesting is gonna happen. You've gotta let you've gotta

39:28

stop something.

39:30

To let that energy go somewhere else, haven't you? And then it

39:32

always goes somewhere interesting in the end, you

39:35

know. It does even Keaveny

39:37

though is hard to see right at the time,

39:40

but I think the older we

39:42

get, I don't shoot my mouth off

39:44

as much as I used to and just go in

39:46

and and go

39:48

to war straightaway, I sit back

39:50

and hopefully

39:54

contemplate and just have a really

39:56

good thing. Yeah. That's it. Did you

39:58

used to be fiery? Did you used to do that a

40:00

bit a

40:02

bit fighty? Listener's host is shaking

40:04

his head to head agreements with

40:06

Sean's question. Yeah. I was

40:08

a bit, mate. I was But

40:11

I've learned and I

40:14

think it's very important

40:17

to choose

40:19

your battles.

40:20

Yeah. And that's that's

40:22

oh my god. I mean, that's what

40:25

that is a big learning curve in it. Like, I and

40:27

I do this in my personal relationships. Much

40:30

more now. You know,

40:32

if there are one or two people in

40:34

my life that problematic for

40:36

whatever reason, sometimes, instead people who

40:39

can trigger you, you know, by just using half a sentence or

40:41

a word. You're immediately you're

40:44

fighting immediately. That

40:46

that's the good step by, take

40:48

a deep breath, don't reply. Well,

40:50

what I'm what I'm very good at

40:53

now and I never used to

40:55

be at all, but I think

40:57

it comes hopefully with

41:00

gaining a bit of knowledge and

41:02

educate yourself and age, I

41:04

think, I do think age,

41:06

is I remove myself from the

41:08

situation. And whether I

41:10

have to just switch off or physically

41:13

take myself out. That's

41:15

good. Yeah. That can only be a

41:17

positive.

41:17

Right? Absolute absolutely mate.

41:20

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for terms. Sean,

41:54

just going back to that final

41:58

broadcast of the afternoon

42:00

show on six. I remember where I was I was driving.

42:02

Mhmm. I was driving from

42:04

Gloucestershire back up to

42:06

Manchester. I had all sorts of lovely

42:08

guests on

42:11

And people were trying to

42:13

guess what that last song was that you

42:15

were gonna play.

42:18

And it was I found it quite emotional, so

42:20

you've you think you really

42:23

held it together. I think

42:26

How how was that for you

42:28

saying goodbye and

42:30

turning that mic. It must have been really

42:32

emotional for

42:33

you. It was huge. It was

42:35

huge. That one. And and it's funny

42:38

that we talk today because

42:40

what's actually just happened, you you might

42:42

not know

42:44

this but Cambrows,

42:48

a potmaster, Cambrows, BBC

42:50

Radio two nine thirty till

42:54

twelve. Monday to Friday as just announced that he's

42:56

leaving, really, or two, the Ravens leaving the

42:58

Tower, etcetera. And it was a

43:00

bit like when Steve

43:02

Wright left as well. I I used

43:04

to work cheek by gel with them for years,

43:06

and I consider them radio friends,

43:08

and that's an amazing privilege for

43:12

me. But what was amazing about both of those guys is

43:14

that they just sort of dropped it.

43:16

Drop the news like bang.

43:18

There you go. Anyway, I'm leaving

43:22

Let's not make too big a deal of it. His bet his

43:24

betty day of his eyes. Wow. You know,

43:27

and whereas we are. What I did

43:29

is you might remember, Craig, is

43:31

made the content for my show for

43:33

three

43:33

months. Yeah.

43:35

I did. And and

43:38

and and now looking back, that

43:40

looks in comparison. Like an

43:42

unclassy thing to do. Mhmm. But I the

43:44

reason I did it was because for

43:46

a couple of reasons, one was, I think, weirdly,

43:48

I think everybody had this idea that I was going to some huge money

43:51

gig, you know. Oh, it I'll keep

43:53

his job for the baby's sake. I

43:55

can operate the tire because he's got Convergent for two

43:58

million pound iron. I heard they're

44:00

giving them a go on for more week, you know. And I was

44:02

getting a bit wuzzed off it all because I was like, I

44:04

didn't wanna I didn't wanna say anything, I didn't

44:06

wanna be gosh or

44:08

or sort of talk about anything that

44:11

I didn't shouldn't have talked about. But equally,

44:13

I didn't want it pinned on me. I didn't

44:15

want it being like, why is Sean Lee?

44:17

It was like, well, I was I'm leaving because I was

44:19

I was asked to go actually. But also,

44:21

I was I was making it all about me for three months, partially because I always

44:23

need content, but also

44:26

because I

44:28

was like, I need to make sure that I can go on to do

44:30

something else. And in in lieu of in the

44:32

absence of

44:34

big money you

44:36

know, sort of offers, which I've never had, I've never

44:38

had. I've got to make my own

44:40

thing. So I had to go on about it

44:42

to remind people,

44:44

I'm leaving So I need to

44:46

put you in my mind. I need you I need you to

44:48

remember me, and I need

44:49

to, you know, sort of and it it sort of

44:51

it it worked actually. But that last one,

44:53

I remember that last

44:55

The last show was so

44:57

beautiful for so many

44:59

reasons and so many lovely things.

45:01

I particularly remember And

45:03

we did. We had loads of great guests on, and and Simon

45:06

Pegg came on and asked and

45:08

it played Forest Fire by Lloyd Cole,

45:10

and that made me cry.

45:12

And then lots of other brilliant guests. And Amy

45:14

Lemaitre was in

45:16

the studio with me, and and I

45:20

played this this poem that Murray wrote for me, and it was so

45:22

amazing. Oh, it was beautiful. I

45:24

didn't you know, I remember that. It's just

45:28

a thing, you know? But what a thing it was? And and we were all in

45:30

bloody floods, you know, at this point. But

45:32

I I actually did. I I never

45:34

used to write anything down.

45:36

But I sort of book fill my producers and you've got to kind of write your last

45:38

link because otherwise it will you you

45:41

don't know what's going on. So

45:43

I did a sort of sort of kind of scripted the

45:46

last part, the last link, you

45:48

know. And and that was a

45:50

big one because it

45:52

weirdly, it saw the seeds for the thing that I

45:54

did next, you know, because I I

45:56

said this thing about you

45:58

might think what's this guy going on about

46:00

it's just a radio show, you know. And

46:02

I I was making the point that a radio show

46:04

isn't just a radio show. It's a community

46:06

of people. Who buy into something, they buy into an idea

46:08

together, and ideals, and they share ideals,

46:10

and they share ideas about what's

46:12

funny or

46:14

what what music's good or what what values are important and

46:16

that is actually invaluable.

46:18

And so that was that's

46:21

where this idea of community garden radio came

46:23

from, you know. And then I played, we've

46:25

only just begun by the carpets as

46:27

that everybody started crying. I had to pull over

46:29

onto the hard

46:29

shoulder and get my handkerchief

46:32

out. Hard shoulder to

46:34

cry on. Playing

46:37

tonight at Dr. Castle. Sean, so what

46:39

was the plan? You mentioned

46:41

about community, but that didn't come

46:43

straight away. Did

46:46

it? No. Well, you have to did you have to take a bit

46:49

of time to

46:51

think and throw a throw

46:53

a few sort of

46:55

letters out there or

46:58

ideas. One of

47:00

the things that I

47:02

did like back in the May,

47:04

actually, before I left in September, was there was

47:06

a lot of WTF, you know, and

47:08

a lot of a lot of in

47:11

Zooms with various

47:14

top bods of radio stations. They were

47:16

just so, you know, so so much nonsense

47:18

as well. And it's understandable people

47:21

what people really need want to say in that moment is,

47:23

well, don't come to me for a joke because they haven't

47:25

got nothing. Mhmm. That's

47:28

what that's what the

47:30

subtext is. Because getting a big radio job, you might as

47:32

well be just waiting for somebody to die

47:34

because nobody ever lets go or

47:36

something like that. So it's not like it's not

47:38

gonna happen. So

47:40

there's a lot of that. And I had a massive piece of yellow

47:42

paper about about as big as

47:44

a window. And I just had like

47:47

momentum or whatever. Just stayed

47:49

scrolling on it. What? Things

47:51

I might do. I might write

47:53

a book. Write that Well, tell you what I

47:55

could do. I could do a bit of DJ, you know, and all this. I didn't

47:58

do nine and a half tenths of

48:00

it, really. And then when

48:02

the time came, I was looking at a couple

48:04

of months gardening leave. You know, they they

48:06

had to pay a metal in the monoclonal,

48:08

which was great. That that hardly

48:10

ever happened. I had a bit of time

48:12

to let me wounds.

48:14

Very kindly, my good friend, my ever

48:16

my car presenter, who's a bit of a

48:19

podcast genius. He got me this, you know, gig doing the line up.

48:21

So that was nice as well. I was at a little bit

48:24

of a foothold still.

48:26

Tell just to stop with

48:28

that, tell the listeners who don't listen to

48:30

the lineup. I want I do want you to talk about it

48:32

because I I listen and you've had lots

48:34

of my friends on and it's a lovely,

48:36

lovely show. Your

48:38

last guess was Joe Cornish, which I listen

48:40

to in the GM last week. Very

48:43

entertaining. Just just just tell us

48:45

about the premise, mate. Yeah. Thank you for

48:48

asking me to to do that. It's

48:50

basic and it wasn't mine. It was

48:52

their idea and and I just run with

48:54

it, but it's basically it's really it's like a cross between desert island

48:57

discs and you

49:00

that classic dinner party conversation, you know. Like,

49:02

who would you invite? And and it but

49:04

it's like a fantasy festival.

49:07

Over the course of a perfect day. And

49:10

just five acts living or dead. That's all

49:12

you gotta do. Tell us what you what we're eating

49:14

at the festival, who you're

49:16

partying with, And then the rest

49:18

of it is like a combination

49:20

of the love that that

49:22

person that guest has for

49:24

the music. But then also the other things that come out in

49:26

conversation when you talk about stuff like that.

49:28

So, you know, there's a lot of a lot

49:30

of emotional family and

49:33

sort of other things hopeful that we took churn at times.

49:35

But yeah, it's it's nice. It's like we're saying before,

49:38

it's nice to get people talking about and

49:40

infusing about stuff that's

49:42

not my

49:44

new book. It's it's great to hear somebody talking like self

49:46

esteem talking about how much

49:48

you can love to speak to Gabriel or something

49:50

like that. You know, that so

49:52

that's nice. Johnson podcast

49:54

on this podcast talking about the Beatles,

49:58

obviously. He was always gonna go with

50:00

them to headline one. Of course,

50:02

he was. But that that's you

50:04

would have already known that, and you're I've you're you're a really good

50:06

interviewer. You're getting good stuff out

50:08

of people and and incisive questions.

50:12

But I didn't know that until John said that to me. That he I

50:14

mean, his dad used to be in a a

50:16

sort of cabaret duo. Yeah. And he

50:19

had to break up the band. It

50:21

is Douglas based off with him. I looked at that story. I

50:24

think that's such a funny story. But

50:26

that's the lovely thing about the about the

50:28

lineup as well. You

50:30

do get those personal stories even through

50:32

the relaxed conversation about talking

50:34

about bands. And they think

50:36

about, oh, yeah,

50:38

what a used to love the beaters. I remember when I first heard that or

50:40

somebody played me in this record and told me

50:42

I had to listen because it speak it was gonna

50:44

speak to

50:46

you So you get that in in a in a lovely relaxed way,

50:48

a lovely fashion, John. I really do like it. I'm

50:50

not just saying that. Oh, thank you. Appreciate

50:53

And you do you get you get good stuff. Like, we had when

50:55

we had Shopikor Sandy on and she

50:57

was just we ended up

50:59

talking about her having adult ADHD and and

51:01

and how emotional that was and difficult that

51:04

was and how, you know, so all this

51:06

stuff comes out.

51:08

It's good. I do to

51:10

talk about it, if you're alright,

51:14

about how did you

51:16

take the

51:18

steps to get diagnosed? God.

51:20

Well, well, actually, the

51:23

reason I did it the

51:25

the real reason that I did it in the end

51:27

was because my eldest

51:30

was diagnosed with ADHD, and

51:32

that was that was really the start of

51:34

it. III definitely noticed a lot of things that I struggling with. And

51:37

I think what happens what happened to

51:39

me was when you're younger and you don't have

51:41

dependents and you don't really

51:44

have that much going on apart from you. It's it's

51:46

very easy to mask or or or

51:48

or or things get off the skirted,

51:50

you know, neuro divergences. Because

51:55

the the Dutch don't come up that much. But when you all of a sudden, you've got two kids,

51:57

three kids, oh my god, I'm divorced.

51:59

Oh my god, I've

52:02

got a for sure and I've got two kids and they don't live with me after

52:04

time. I've got to get organized. Oh my god,

52:06

I've got a I've got a I've got a

52:08

new wife, I've got a

52:10

third child my

52:12

life's absolute chaos.

52:14

That and and when

52:16

it starts impacting other people's

52:18

lives, like it was doing,

52:20

especially my partner and

52:22

especially

52:23

my kids. When I found out about

52:25

Arthur and I started looking at what

52:28

he, you know, the the

52:30

diagnosis. I was like, this is me as well.

52:32

So that was that was the the kernel

52:34

of it. And unfortunately, the way things are in

52:36

this country at the moment, I and

52:38

I'm not saying this with an expectation

52:40

that anybody would agree with me, but

52:43

I in my personal

52:45

opinion, the conservatives are pure evil,

52:47

and they're almost willfully destroying the

52:49

ones great country. We

52:51

don't really have a work in NHS at

52:53

the moment because of So I had to go and pay some

52:56

money to get diagnosed and

52:58

everything. And then when we're just on the journey, I've I've

53:00

just started

53:02

on the the medication recently. And and it helps. Great. It

53:04

really helps. I can't really describe it,

53:07

but especially because you've

53:09

got a different

53:11

brain set out to me, but it's sort of

53:13

almost like it

53:14

just gives you a it just

53:16

gives you a little bit more space in

53:19

your mind. Things are all on top of them each

53:21

other and chaotic as much. You've got

53:23

a little bit more

53:26

space. And you can just one really prosaic example

53:28

was two weeks ago sitting here

53:30

at this desk on this laptop. And

53:35

I was working through my to

53:37

do less quite well. And

53:40

all of a sudden, I just looked at my

53:42

laptop

53:43

screen and went

53:44

Your desktop is an absolute fucking disaster. Look at it. There

53:46

are about seven hundred pages on it. And so then

53:49

it took ninety minutes just

53:52

rearranging it, putting that in the Delete bin, putting that

53:55

and and I I would never I

53:58

can't describe

54:00

to you how non who on me that is.

54:02

Mhmm. But it was

54:03

so you, weird for me. It was so unusual. It's like

54:05

how can a little pill that

54:08

you take do something to your sinuses and to your your

54:10

brain

54:10

chemistry. And then all of a sudden, you find yourself

54:12

tidy in shit

54:14

up. Even noticing

54:16

that things are untidy. That's the

54:18

bit because if you did notice even

54:20

without the drugs you've got, I

54:23

would have worked out, oh, you know what? It's a bit messy him or piss my

54:25

wife off understandably, and and somebody

54:27

might fall over that. Don't

54:29

even notice when when you got my condition a lot

54:32

of the time. Take that drug and you

54:34

do. And it it starts to change

54:36

your life in in ways that you didn't

54:38

expect, so I think. Did the

54:40

diagnosis even

54:42

it's early stage give you

54:44

some sort of clarity? Yeah. It

54:46

did. I was really craving that. It

54:49

was it was a bit difficult for a

54:51

few weeks as well, and I've been warned

54:53

about that a friend of

54:56

mine's girlfriend have been through the

54:58

exact same thing a few weeks

55:00

before, and she was saying she'd

55:02

struggled with it a bit for a for a

55:04

while because it it is also

55:06

difficult to hear. As as well as lip it's a liberation because like,

55:08

right, that's what it is. And I can do

55:10

something about it. I've got some urgency.

55:14

And that's all brilliant. But there's an interim period where you're you're

55:16

waiting for that old stuff that stuff to

55:18

happen. And I think I was worse

55:20

for a while, you know. And

55:23

I was I was more angry and more pissed

55:25

off and more difficult to live with

55:27

and more chaotic and more confused. And

55:29

I think may the only thing I could work

55:31

out was that Maybe you start to lean into it a bit when

55:33

you know you've got it. You know, before you get the

55:36

treatment, you just like Well, you know,

55:38

what do

55:40

you expect? I'm here at EDD. What do you

55:42

expect? Call it. Call this lords of

55:44

Shytol over the floor because I'm here

55:46

at EDD. Don't you know? I

55:48

did. You know? And you got through a bit of a

55:50

period like that. I did

55:52

anywhere. But no, it feels a little bit

55:54

more like and

55:56

and again, it was it'll carry on. Hopefully, it'll keep I might be

55:58

get might get a little bit of a bit

56:00

of treatment, a bit

56:02

of CBT, you know. They

56:04

might they might hydrate my

56:06

chemicals a bit. I might I could

56:08

I I've made this job before, but

56:10

this time next year I could be. A

56:12

billionaire CEO. You just never know. Oh

56:15

my god, John. Explain

56:18

to me. About

56:20

community garden radio. Your

56:23

What is it? And how did

56:25

you come up with it? Lovely. Love

56:27

This is the This to me is my my my

56:30

my

56:30

great apart from, like, the kids and that

56:34

It's my great achievement so far. I think I'm so

56:36

happy with it. Came from that kernel

56:38

as we discussed, which was that last

56:41

show that last link in me just uttering

56:43

those words, you know, like a radio as a

56:45

community, it's like a garden, and everybody

56:48

tends it together. And

56:50

from that colonel. And from then playing the carpenters,

56:52

we've only just begun. I was

56:54

like, oh, that's a manifesto what I've done

56:56

there by accident. So what

56:58

it is? And we I was

57:00

lucky. The beep gave me this

57:02

platform for fourteen and a half years, and I

57:04

they they allowed me to build an audience.

57:07

And so I took the the super

57:09

fans of that essentially and

57:12

and grew this little garden. It started,

57:14

to be very brief about it,

57:16

I we set up a Patreon here. My friend Clive

57:18

and his son, Ben, is a radio is

57:20

like a sort of audio, radio production

57:24

genius. Lovely Clive.

57:26

Lovely. You know Clive. I mean Clive

57:28

Tullow, one of the great TV producers

57:30

of all time, just Google him. You

57:32

you won't believe what he's done. Money

57:35

we said that after last night. So You won't

57:37

believe what Clive's done. But we sort

57:39

of set up

57:42

as a little company almost, and we said, I know, well, let's set up a

57:44

Patreon, and and that can host this

57:46

podcast idea that I've got.

57:49

Which I talked to it before that creative coldest act.

57:52

And I thought stupidly that was gonna

57:54

be my favorite fortune, not

57:56

realizing that

57:58

to get a podcast after growing and get anybody listening to it is unbelievably

58:00

our work. And the and by the way,

58:02

congratulations with Tushock because you've

58:04

you've actually really done it and it's it's

58:07

don't think people realize how hard it is to of

58:10

anybody listening to a podcast. Never mind. They're

58:12

really good and thriving audience, you know.

58:14

It's really hard in it. It's

58:16

really hard and I

58:18

never I never set out

58:20

with any expectations. I thought, like,

58:22

I wanna couple of people.

58:24

Listen. I was just trying to learn. I was trying to get

58:26

another skill under my belt

58:28

of of talking to people

58:30

and not making the

58:32

focus about the

58:32

host, which I always hate when they turn it around. But it's

58:35

yeah. It's really difficult. And

58:37

the fact that

58:40

Anybody can just pick up per mic

58:42

and start broadcasting. Doesn't

58:45

necessarily mean they should. You

58:47

know what I mean? I I don't mean that I

58:50

don't mean that in a cruel way.

58:52

But but let's be honest, there's a lot of shit out

58:53

there. There's an unbelievable amount of shit out

58:56

there. He says oh,

58:58

look. Look. He he says making

59:00

it shit for a minute by knocking his microphone

59:02

off. And just making sure he

59:04

plugged in his charger. It's what you don't It's

59:06

me going offline at that very point.

59:08

There you go. Don't

59:10

Keaveny need professional broadcaster. To

59:13

the end. This

59:14

definitely doesn't happen at Morgenhaus. Let

59:16

me just plug me charge you in,

59:18

but you're that's you're right. You it

59:20

annoyed me a little bit. This is a very famous podcast

59:24

platform. And just at the

59:26

end of last year that and they might still be doing

59:28

it, but

59:30

their ads kept popping up a lot. I popped it up.

59:32

Weirdly, I popped on the word popping that you

59:34

actually did. That that's a skill in itself. That

59:36

is good. Isn't it?

59:38

Yeah. Pop. And,

59:40

you know, the the whole idea of

59:42

the ads was if you've got

59:44

a voice at all, you know, anybody can be

59:46

a podcast that just pick it up and start. And it's like you're right. It's it's a it's a double

59:49

edged sword. On the one hand, great. Demoxitizing

59:51

fantastic. We don't want We

59:53

get rid of the gatekeepers. Everybody should be able to have a

59:55

go. That's what's good. One of the good things about

59:57

if you're a musician now, that's one of the

1:00:00

good things. That, you know, everybody can it's

1:00:02

not like you have to fucking air studios or something. However, musicians

1:00:04

don't get fucking paid anymore, which is

1:00:06

a sort of colossal problem.

1:00:09

But you're right. Not everybody

1:00:11

has got. Yeah. Everybody

1:00:14

should experiment and and and have a go. And

1:00:16

so maybe maybe some people make a podcast and they just play it to the girlfriend

1:00:18

or the boyfriend or or

1:00:20

the dog, you know. That's fine.

1:00:22

But to get one to make it stick and to

1:00:24

have an

1:00:26

audience, and to win awards as you have.

1:00:28

It's amazing. Anyway, I certainly

1:00:30

learned that in the first ten episodes

1:00:34

just like I don't think I've got

1:00:36

the balls for this account. We bother. And then Ben said like a

1:00:38

little genius. And it

1:00:40

was a complete side Craig in a chat we were

1:00:44

in the in the boardroom. He just went I think

1:00:46

he was online or something at

1:00:48

the time. Honestly, absent minded, he

1:00:50

just went, you know that we could

1:00:53

You can do like a radio broadcast

1:00:56

on Patreon. You could

1:00:58

do a radio show. I was

1:01:00

like, what do you mean? We could do

1:01:02

like a live radio show if you want it. Instead of doing the

1:01:04

the podcast, we could we could sort of put that on

1:01:07

the shelf for now. You could do it. We

1:01:09

just send out a link and

1:01:11

people can listen. And I said, but but

1:01:13

what about the music? Well, you buy you

1:01:15

buy a license and as long as you

1:01:17

play under a certain amount every year, couple

1:01:19

of hundred pound a year. It's like a proper

1:01:22

radio station. I was like, are you

1:01:24

what? And that's what we started doing. And

1:01:26

the first

1:01:28

ones were on this desk looking out of that window, Top

1:01:30

Room of Dulles Hill. It was

1:01:32

it was so unbelievably funny,

1:01:34

Craig. It was so it was all over

1:01:36

the shop. And it

1:01:38

was during the Omnicron times before

1:01:40

Christmas and Ben couldn't even come in. He

1:01:42

was sitting outside in his car

1:01:44

giving me instructions, tell me which fared at a

1:01:46

fucking press. Yeah. It was so gluing strings, but

1:01:48

it was the beginning of something.

1:01:50

And all of a sudden, like, in a in a

1:01:52

couple of months,

1:01:54

we had two thousand

1:01:56

subscribers, you know, which is enough.

1:01:58

That's a that's a living more or less.

1:02:00

Mhmm. Yeah. Bang. Though you

1:02:02

keep his back, you know. And now it's

1:02:04

just brilliant. We have

1:02:06

this hardcore

1:02:08

and every week it's It's totally

1:02:10

different for me. I write stuff and I it's a bit different than

1:02:13

what I used to do on six. I do I

1:02:15

do a lot more sounds awful,

1:02:17

but when I describe it,

1:02:20

but like sketchy things or prewritten things

1:02:22

or write a stupid fucking

1:02:24

song and and play that

1:02:26

or record

1:02:28

things properly. The nature of the

1:02:30

mind. It's, you know and and but

1:02:32

there's also all the usual idiocy as well. And

1:02:34

the music's amazing. I'm really proud of the

1:02:36

music every week. So that's it.

1:02:38

It's it's lovely. And

1:02:40

III love doing

1:02:42

it. And is there a great sense of

1:02:44

freedom? Because you don't have

1:02:46

to surely There are no guidelines really

1:02:48

other? No. They're a non

1:02:50

Craig. I mean, the and

1:02:52

and obviously

1:02:54

great power comes great

1:02:57

responsibility to tell you.

1:03:00

But eleven.

1:03:02

The

1:03:02

two most powerful men in the free world, Frost

1:03:06

Nixon. It yeah. It is. You can say and

1:03:08

do whatever you like. And and

1:03:10

obviously, I And I I've

1:03:12

lost a few subscribers along the way because

1:03:14

one or two people, understandably, is that the

1:03:16

source is a bit strong for them. Some people

1:03:20

say, I'm not I'm not paying anymore because III

1:03:22

wanna hear him present the radio and

1:03:24

play songs. I don't wanna hear his political views. And

1:03:26

I'm like, okay,

1:03:28

fair enough. And then, you know,

1:03:30

there are one or two people, can you believe, Cree, who have complained about my swearing.

1:03:32

That's Excuse my Wow.

1:03:34

That fucking skews me. And

1:03:38

but most most people are just like,

1:03:40

we just love the the the fact that it

1:03:42

is a this free thing, you know, it's

1:03:46

lovely. And also, subscribers are gonna drop off and they're gonna

1:03:48

come back on and sometimes

1:03:50

some months people just can't afford.

1:03:54

To support. I know I get that. I get it all the time

1:03:56

with with our community, our gang

1:03:59

of listeners. But

1:04:02

we are we are living in and and I know it's it's a

1:04:04

cliche now, but it's it doesn't mean it's not

1:04:06

true. I mean, you know, certainly in our lifetimes.

1:04:08

And I think if you're eighty,

1:04:10

you you could you wouldn't be able to remember

1:04:12

a harder cost of living crisis, again, precipitated by some of

1:04:15

the biggest vandals and idiots that the world

1:04:17

has ever known in charge. But

1:04:20

that's it. I I always I I get on the emails

1:04:22

and say thanks so much for your support. I

1:04:24

I completely understand you you can't afford

1:04:26

to do this anymore because it's still

1:04:30

four quid a month, but it's still that's at

1:04:32

the moment, that's difficult to come by all the

1:04:34

time. So, you know, but we're

1:04:36

surviving and we're we're almost thriving

1:04:39

is a wonderful thing in this

1:04:42

environment. While onwards and

1:04:44

upwards, Sean, I hope

1:04:46

it continues to grow. I hope

1:04:48

the garden continues to

1:04:50

flourish and grow.

1:04:52

Sean, this has been lovely. It's always

1:04:55

a pleasure. Seen. Yeah. I don't see you enough.

1:04:57

No. Can I just say that the last time I

1:04:59

saw you, I'm pretty certain last time I saw you in

1:05:01

the flesh, was it Was it

1:05:03

McCartney or Glass timber, wasn't it? Was it that night? Yeah.

1:05:05

It was that night. We were in a right old

1:05:08

two and eight weren't we? We were very

1:05:10

emotional weren't we great. It it was a

1:05:12

very emotional, a long, very

1:05:14

emotional, long night.

1:05:16

I think to probably not talk about those

1:05:19

Sorry, Sean. One last

1:05:22

question, my friend. I haven't

1:05:24

asked this for a long time, and

1:05:26

sometimes I sign out

1:05:28

with us. Sean,

1:05:30

are you happy? Oh, that's

1:05:34

excellent. Look, really, I'm I'm not

1:05:36

just being

1:05:38

disingenuous, oh, you're

1:05:40

making me search my my

1:05:42

brand and soul

1:05:43

here. Good. Yeah. I I

1:05:45

would say that

1:05:47

You know what's funny is that if I

1:05:49

was honestly answering it and if you

1:05:51

asked me just a

1:05:54

couple of few months ago, I probably would have said, I don't know that I am very happy

1:05:56

at the moment. And I think

1:05:58

that it's a lot to do with the

1:06:00

things that we're

1:06:02

struggling with. With with, you know, my brain

1:06:04

chemistry and stuff like that, and also with all the

1:06:06

changes that had happened and all the the chaos

1:06:08

that was going on in

1:06:10

my life. But I do

1:06:12

feel pretty I do feel happy now,

1:06:14

happier. And and and it's

1:06:16

as you know, that's anybody with

1:06:18

any wisdom at all, even a modicum of wisdom does that happiness is not

1:06:21

what you shoot for. The occasional

1:06:23

happiness is what you shoot for

1:06:25

an an availability of happiness.

1:06:28

You know, so the contentment is the

1:06:30

most I I hope for as I get

1:06:32

older. And and and then even

1:06:35

a different kind of bar altogether. Is is

1:06:38

everybody alright? Is everybody alive? Is

1:06:40

everybody well? Then everything else is

1:06:42

Keaveny. And so you know, yeah,

1:06:44

I would say to the cosmos if

1:06:46

you're listening. I'm very happy and,

1:06:50

you know, keep

1:06:52

keep on you know, giving us the bountiful stuff because it's it's

1:06:54

nice to be here.

1:06:56

Sean gave me thank you so

1:06:58

much for coming on the podcast.

1:07:01

It's been an absolute pleasure. You take

1:07:03

care. Craig, thank you

1:07:04

so much for having us. Thank you very much.

1:07:08

Cheers, mate. And

1:07:11

another episode is

1:07:16

done. So

1:07:18

tell me. You enjoy

1:07:19

it. Yeah. Has it jumped

1:07:22

into your top three, top five, top

1:07:24

ten podcast of

1:07:26

all time? Oh,

1:07:28

well, the TSPs of all time. I think he may

1:07:31

be as. Yeah. And, you

1:07:33

know, we we obviously, me and

1:07:35

Sean spoke about this, but you

1:07:37

know what? I don't plug things,

1:07:40

but Sean is such a

1:07:42

lovely lovely bloke

1:07:44

and he's I think he's

1:07:46

brilliant at his job. He was such an

1:07:48

inspiration for me

1:07:50

when I was learning to to be

1:07:53

a broadcaster. Especially when I once

1:07:55

sort of offpaced and wrote

1:07:58

and recorded the the the

1:08:01

I was forgot that it was a bit. The line of GC

1:08:03

Podcasts that I did for for BBC because

1:08:05

it was different because I wasn't doing

1:08:07

what I was learning to do here,

1:08:09

which is there seems such inspiration to just relax

1:08:12

and be natural and

1:08:14

be yourself Also,

1:08:17

I really hope you enjoyed it. I really do. I can't

1:08:19

think it's shown enough. So, yeah, do listen to the

1:08:24

lineup. Get it wherever you get all

1:08:26

your podcasts. Yeah. As we mentioned, he's had a fantastic

1:08:29

guest. Joe

1:08:32

Cornish was his, of the guest last

1:08:34

week, draw back through. He's had some really interesting people on. And of course,

1:08:37

our TSP favorite,

1:08:40

mister John, SIM. It's a

1:08:42

brilliant listen. Maybe start with John and then see how you get on. And his community garden

1:08:44

radio, you can support

1:08:47

and listen to every Friday.

1:08:51

I just googled that and and see if you can

1:08:53

support him on Patreon. But speaking of support, we

1:08:55

are on Patreon. I feel like

1:08:57

I'm asking him to support now. But, yes,

1:08:59

the two shot podcast is on Patreon if you're enjoying

1:09:01

what we do. Maybe you

1:09:04

wanna support

1:09:06

us? Meet our sports all the time. Maybe you think,

1:09:08

actually, yeah, I could bong them

1:09:10

a few quid this month and

1:09:14

not have those plans that I've been having in January. I'm gonna I'm

1:09:16

gonna put that to

1:09:19

the TSP support community. There's

1:09:22

gifts. I say gifts. You support us. We support you. There's most.

1:09:24

There's tote bags.

1:09:27

There's t shirts. There's

1:09:30

some lovely, cozy hoodies that

1:09:33

are gonna keep you super, super

1:09:35

warm January, February, March

1:09:37

as it gets colder. I saw a

1:09:39

car this morning on the way to the gym. I didn't know. So

1:09:41

I think it came over from the wrong side

1:09:43

of the panines and

1:09:47

that is No offense. People

1:09:50

from New Yorkshire. Big big love.

1:09:53

So until

1:09:56

next week, I've been Craig

1:09:58

Parkinson. He's been producer Gref, and this has been the two shot podcast to

1:10:04

carry self. Keep warm. Maybe pop the

1:10:06

heating on for a couple of hours. Right? I'm gonna go and empty that washing

1:10:09

machine. See you

1:10:12

next week. The two shot forecasts

1:10:14

were presented by me, Craig Parkinson,

1:10:16

recorded and produced by

1:10:18

Thomas Griffin for splicing block.

1:10:22

The remix of our theme tune is by

1:10:27

stolen below. Cheers.