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Paul I'm Paul

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I'm I'm

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Paul I'm Paul

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I'm Paul I'm

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Paul Bo was just passionate about helping other people.

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He was just very intelligent and funny. He

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would do anything for anybody.

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He

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was the kindest, or he is

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the kindest person, just a pure soul.

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The

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sweetest person you will

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meet. He will give and give and give to anybody.

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And he would never walk

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away from his family

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or sober grid ever, ever.

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He just wouldn't. I'm

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just stuck in this nightmare. And

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it's a depression and it's a hole and

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I do my very best. I'm always thinking

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about Bo. It's been a long time. There

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is also a possibility that he's out there and we

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need the public's help to help find him. And

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to please look at his picture. The

1:02

last thing I wanted to everyone just assume that he's

1:04

not here. Because then it

1:06

becomes who did it as opposed to let's still try to

1:08

find Bo. The fact is, from what I

1:11

understand up to today, none of his

1:13

belongings have been found and his body has

1:15

not been found. So I'm still thinking

1:17

he could be alive. And if that's the case,

1:20

I don't want people to stop looking. Bo

1:22

has successfully, he's

1:25

gone off the grid before but never this long.

1:28

39 year old Bo Mann disappeared

1:31

from Los Angeles, California on November

1:33

30th, 2021. Bo

1:36

was a successful entrepreneur who

1:38

had created an app that helped hundreds

1:40

of thousands of people

1:41

across the world. Bo had

1:43

just returned from a trip to Texas. After

1:46

being picked up by his assistant at the airport,

1:49

she dropped him off at his apartment. This

1:51

can be seen on video surveillance. Bo

1:54

left his apartment at 11 20 a.m. on November 30th. He

1:58

stopped at a place called Coffee Bean. and tea

2:00

leaf. He then proceeded to use Lyft

2:02

to travel around the city to various locations.

2:06

At 1.51pm, Bowe

2:08

ordered an Uber to take him to an address

2:10

in Santa Monica. He was last seen

2:12

on surveillance at a 7-Eleven making a

2:14

purchase. It's believed that he got

2:16

back into the Uber and minutes later a

2:18

text was sent from Bowe's phone to 911.

2:21

They attempted to reach Bowe, but he didn't

2:24

answer. Bowe was never seen or

2:26

heard from again. I'm Marissa

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and from Wondery, this

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is episode 390 of The Vanished, part 1 of Bowe Man's

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The disappearance of Bowe Man is a puzzling

3:49

mystery. November 30, 2021 was a bright

3:51

sunny day

3:53

in Los Angeles with highs in the

3:55

60s.

3:56

Bowe was a man traveling around the city using

3:59

the rideshooter. services, Uber, and Lyft.

4:02

He appeared to be running some errands that day,

4:04

but no one knows for certain exactly

4:07

what he was doing. Not all

4:09

of the information that we have today was apparent

4:11

on day one. It took months to piece

4:13

it all together. After Bo disappeared,

4:16

his family and friends came together to

4:18

see what clues they could uncover. We

4:20

will get into these details deeper later on

4:22

in the series. But Bo's mom Amy

4:25

was able to give us a rundown of what they know happened

4:27

on the day that Bo vanished based on

4:29

video surveillance, financial, and phone

4:32

records.

4:51

In

4:57

the next camera footage,

4:59

a couple hours later at two

5:02

o'clock, so two and

5:04

a half hours later, he's seen

5:06

at 7-Eleven at 1-1-0-0-7 Ventura

5:09

Boulevard

5:10

in Studio City, California. He's

5:12

making purchases, you can see, and I have

5:15

snapshots of that. He's making

5:17

purchases. He's got an Icy and a couple of

5:19

sodas, and he actually

5:21

has his backpack

5:22

open and all of his stuff fall out.

5:25

Bo had taken an Uber to this location,

5:27

and when he was done in the store, it's

5:29

believed that he got back inside the Uber and

5:32

headed to yet another location.

5:35

According to the Uber records, he

5:37

left North Hollywood at 1-51, and then he

5:39

showed up at two

5:42

o'clock nine minutes later

5:44

at 7-Eleven in Studio City. And

5:47

then from there, he leaves at

5:49

2-0-6, and

5:51

then he gets into the Uber, and

5:54

at 2-19, he texted 9-1-1. And I have then

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after that they can report right

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here in my hands

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are so he texted nine on one at to nineteen

6:06

in the tech said in an

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over promo gray

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and then according to this incident report

6:11

that i can't make out it's is responded

6:14

m f t and number two

6:16

says responded no response

6:18

phone os and at this

6:20

point according to the incident report

6:23

he's on the one on one freeway

6:25

at the west laurel canyon

6:27

intersection according

6:29

to records and a story that uber driver

6:31

told bow was dropped off at an

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address on berkeley street in santa

6:36

monica

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the strange thing is that the woman who lived to that

6:39

address said she didn't know bo

6:41

y was bow going there and

6:43

what happened to bow and all the belonging

6:45

said he had in his backpack and the items

6:48

he had purchased at the seven eleven

6:50

those questions have plagued bows loved

6:52

ones for the last sixteen months they

6:55

deliver the details time and time again

6:57

trying to make the puzzle pieces fit

6:59

into something that makes sense the only

7:01

thing they know for certain was at by wasn't

7:03

ever seen or heard from again

7:06

as i mentioned we will dig deeper into

7:08

those details later on but

7:10

for now we want to learn about who bomb

7:12

in his as a person though

7:14

was very charismatic we spoke

7:16

too many people for the series and

7:18

they all told us that he was kind giving

7:21

and would help anyone not

7:22

just as loved ones but anyone who

7:24

was in need bowl believed in second

7:27

chances he saw the volume

7:29

people when others couldn't he too

7:31

had hit some rough patches before finally

7:33

finding success sometimes

7:35

both giving nature lead people to take advantage

7:37

of him but distance way him from

7:40

continuing to help those in need bowl

7:42

was also the founder and ceo

7:44

of a successful app and social media platform

7:47

that had been feature in forbes the new york times

7:49

the boston globe and many more

7:52

we want to started the beginning so well

7:54

speaking with bows mother amy we

7:56

asked her to tell us about those early years

7:59

i'm here

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young, which a lot of people do when

8:02

they live in small towns in like

8:04

West Texas, it was not the best

8:06

choice I ever made. I have

8:08

three beautiful children from that,

8:11

but of course I was too

8:13

young, but I was

8:15

very ill-informed about life.

8:17

I was very naive about life.

8:20

So I'm married thinking, okay great,

8:22

this is going to be good. I'm going to get married, I'm going to have kids, I'm

8:24

going to have that white picket fence and you know, life's going to

8:26

be wonderful, right?

8:27

And that didn't happen. However,

8:29

I did have three wonderful

8:31

children. My kids were the best

8:34

kids in the world. They were happy-go-lucky,

8:36

they were very well behaved,

8:39

they were just great, but

8:41

my marriage wasn't great.

8:43

And so January of 87,

8:46

I left my ex-husband and

8:48

I took the kids and we went off on our own.

8:51

So I was alone with my three little kids,

8:54

doing the best I could. We

8:56

actually

8:57

ended up in Massachusetts.

9:00

Beau was born in Texas. He was the

9:02

middle child. He has an older brother

9:04

Ben and a younger sister Brandy.

9:07

Amy told us that after her divorce, a

9:09

co-worker introduced her to a man who lived

9:11

in Massachusetts. He too

9:13

was going through a divorce. The two

9:15

began speaking via phone and their relationship

9:18

blossomed over time.

9:20

We had a long-distance phone call relationship

9:23

because he and his wife had gotten a divorce. He

9:25

knew where I was at, except he didn't know

9:27

because he didn't have kids. So he knew part

9:29

of the whole thing.

9:31

We kind of dated back and forth and then

9:33

I was about to lose my job at

9:35

a company

9:36

that was going under and the kids

9:38

were getting ready to start school. So I was trying

9:40

to decide what to do and he

9:43

said, why don't you come up here? He said, come up

9:45

here, we'll see if we can make it work

9:47

and if we can't,

9:49

I'll pay for you to come up here. I'll

9:52

pay for you to come back and go back home, whatever

9:54

it is. But let's try this. I think we have

9:56

a good relationship. And so we moved from

9:58

Massachusetts in 89.

9:59

kids

10:00

started school. Pretty

10:03

soon after, Bo asked David

10:05

to adopt him, which David

10:07

gladly did. The

10:09

other two weren't inclined to do

10:11

so, but they still referred

10:12

to him as dad and maintained

10:15

that kind of relationship.

10:18

One thing that stood out about Bo from an early

10:20

age was how smart he was.

10:22

He seemed destined for something big.

10:25

He went to school here and it's

10:27

funny my daughter ran into a friend

10:29

of his about a week ago who was

10:32

talking about how incredibly smart

10:34

that my son Bo is.

10:37

And she was saying, you know, I remember in high school,

10:39

you know, we were in Spanish class and

10:41

he was debating the Spanish teacher

10:44

on the way to pronounce things.

10:48

My husband David used to say,

10:50

man, I gotta lay awake at night because this kid's

10:52

going to Harvard.

10:53

That is how intelligent he is.

10:56

And, you know, I always felt like that

10:58

he was not challenged

11:01

enough in

11:01

school. I

11:03

just didn't have the money to

11:05

be able to send him to like private school or something,

11:07

which I think he would have excelled at incredibly.

11:11

In adulthood, Bo spent some time living in

11:13

New York City. His

11:14

brother Ben explained to us that this was a

11:16

confusing time for Bo

11:18

when he was questioning his sexuality and

11:20

eventually came out to his family. He

11:23

was very confused when he came

11:25

out. So around 2003 or so, 2002, 2003, somewhere

11:28

around there, probably 20 years ago, he came out.

11:33

He was living in New York at the

11:35

time

11:36

and he came out and said he was gay

11:38

or bisexual, I guess, because

11:40

there was a short while when he was in LA. He had

11:42

a girlfriend. I met her a few

11:44

times. He probably dated her for a

11:46

year or two at New York City. Came

11:49

out, he was gay or bisexual, but I

11:51

think he struggled with finding his sexual

11:53

identity for a while and he didn't know. You know,

11:55

he constantly in his head went

11:58

back and forth with, is it okay? to

12:00

be bisexual.

12:02

Amy told us that Beau had come out to her earlier

12:05

or at least mentioned that he thought he might be gay.

12:08

Amy said she wasn't prepared for this. It

12:10

wasn't something that she had seen coming. I

12:13

was in my bedroom and I was in there

12:15

studying it and he came in to talk to me and told

12:17

me that he thought you know that he thought he was

12:20

and I want to say maybe 14 maybe. I didn't really

12:24

know how to respond in any direction because

12:27

I had never even that never

12:28

had it even hit my radar. If

12:30

I ever ever gave

12:32

him reason to bleed that I was ashamed to him

12:35

or I didn't love him then my bad.

12:38

It's totally on me and I didn't know that I

12:40

did it. I believe that God

12:42

wants us to love our family

12:44

and everyone else despite

12:47

what their sexual orientation may be. Just

12:50

love people. That's what our commandment is right?

12:52

That's just what I try to do. I make

12:55

mistakes. God knows I've made plenty of mistakes.

12:57

None of them were ever with any

12:59

malice or intention. It's just an

13:02

innocent

13:02

mistake. If Beau's ever felt like

13:04

we didn't love him then I

13:06

would be very

13:07

remiss in the fact that I had ever caused

13:10

that because I've

13:12

loved him to death since he was a baby. And I

13:15

still love him today. There's

13:17

not a man in the day that goes by that I don't

13:19

think about him.

13:21

I dream about him at night.

13:23

I think about him all during the day.

13:25

Beau wanted to find success and he had the

13:27

drive for it but he got snagged

13:30

along the way. However Beau

13:32

was able to persevere. Amy told

13:34

us more. He started

13:36

smoking pot first

13:38

and then he actually moved

13:41

to Texas and I do

13:44

not know when or how.

13:46

I mean he got in trouble

13:48

with a friend of his. They

13:49

had a bunch of pot and he got in trouble.

13:53

Then he was completely

13:55

clean. He was fine. He was good. And

13:58

I hope I'm saying this correctly. and

14:00

I don't want to misrepresent him whatsoever,

14:03

but I believe at some point he

14:05

had gotten involved with some people who actually

14:07

did cocaine.

14:08

So he realized he had a problem.

14:11

So he went into rehab,

14:13

and he went to California to a place called Promises.

14:17

It was amazing. You know, he came out

14:19

of there, and then he was clean

14:20

for the longest time,

14:23

like forever. So Promises was

14:25

his

14:26

savior, if you will.

14:28

Amy mentioned this move to Texas, a time

14:31

when things had gotten worse for Beau. Beau's

14:33

brother Ben told us that at that time, he was

14:36

in a relationship that just wasn't good for

14:38

him. I think it was down

14:40

in Texas when he was living in Houston. He

14:43

had a condo in Houston. He had an art gallery

14:45

down there. This was before Silver Grid. So

14:47

when he was in Houston, Beau started dating this

14:49

kid, who I'd never met. I

14:52

think it was just short-lived. I don't even think it

14:54

was a year, just a few months or something. Well,

14:56

he was a young kid. He was probably 23 or something. He

14:59

was like 10 years younger than Beau, seven or eight years. He

15:02

was quite a bit younger than Beau. They got

15:04

into a relationship, started dating. Well,

15:07

this kid used meth, and

15:09

this young kid is the one that got Beau into it.

15:12

Brandy told me that, because Brandy was down there

15:15

living with him at the time. She hated

15:18

this kid that Beau was dating because he had

15:21

introduced him to this awful

15:23

drug.

15:24

We also spoke to one of Beau's longtime

15:26

friends, Ann. Ann met Beau

15:29

in a behavioral health facility, and

15:31

she remembers how she hit it off with him, but

15:33

also how caring and gentle he was with

15:35

her as she was struggling through a difficult

15:38

time in her life.

15:40

I met Beau at Promises

15:42

in Austin, Texas.

15:46

I was in the

15:48

facility because I was

15:50

dealing with a depressive disorder and

15:54

some medicine that had been wrongly prescribed

15:56

to me. So that's where I met

15:58

him. He was there because

16:01

he was in recovery from

16:03

methamphetamine use. He

16:06

would often be able, because he was at

16:08

Promises a lot, it was like his second

16:10

home, he was often

16:13

able to leave and go do things

16:15

for work, but he would always have

16:17

a sober companion go with him.

16:20

So that means literally hiring

16:22

a person

16:23

who is like a bodyguard who goes with

16:26

you to and from the event

16:28

and brings you back

16:29

to protect you from yourself.

16:31

So that's when I met him and we became

16:33

very close friends and bonded immediately

16:37

and

16:37

he would joke around

16:39

and say that I was his Promised wife

16:42

because the minute he saw me

16:44

he thought I was a little bedraggled and needed

16:47

some love and care and he

16:49

felt like his manly

16:52

feelings of protection came into play.

16:55

In fact, when I was recovering,

16:58

which was very, very painful, they

17:00

used the wrong protocol to take

17:02

me off a certain medication and

17:04

I was suffering intensely

17:07

and I was having seizures. He

17:09

would sneak into the girl's

17:11

part of the

17:13

facility and get

17:15

in my bed and hug me and

17:17

hold me and he would tell me it's

17:19

going to be okay and then he

17:21

would turn the light on and he would see me just

17:24

shaking and miserable and

17:26

talk to me for hours about silly

17:28

things, stories, our lives,

17:31

just everything, just so that I

17:33

would be distracted from the misery I was

17:35

going through.

17:36

So he became a very close friend

17:39

very quickly and we also bonded over

17:41

George Michael because George Michael died

17:43

and we both cried a lot

17:46

about it

17:47

mainly because Bo is

17:49

a lot like George Michael. He's

17:51

an incredibly generous, kind person

17:54

and we had found out about

17:56

all the things that George Michael had done in his life

17:58

and not in the world. to give

18:01

to people. He just gave so much

18:03

to people just anonymously because he

18:05

was a great person. And also

18:07

how difficult it was for him to come out as a gay

18:10

man, especially coming

18:12

from a Cypriot Greek background,

18:14

which you're not really supposed to be gay.

18:17

And I think Beau really related to that. And

18:20

so we shared a great love for

18:22

his music and for him as a person. And when he died,

18:25

we kind of co-wrote something

18:28

on his blog about his death. We

18:31

were friends

18:32

since then. We stayed in touch.

18:34

And yet another friend of

18:36

Beau's, Brett, told us that he met

18:38

Beau when Beau was living in Houston and

18:40

was on that roller coaster of recovery.

18:42

I

18:44

ended up moving out to Houston.

18:46

I got a job at an art dealership

18:48

called Art Renaissance. Beau

18:51

was the one that hired me. I went in there. He

18:53

needed a sales guy to manage one

18:55

of the galleries. So

18:58

he hired me on. And I worked

19:01

there for, I want to say about maybe two to three years.

19:03

And within those two to three years, you

19:05

know, we had a lot in common. I'm gay. He

19:07

was, he's gay. You know, we joined each

19:09

other's company and we became pretty

19:11

quick friends. So after my

19:14

time at Art Renaissance, we

19:16

maintained that friendship.

19:17

He's also an intelligent person. I mean,

19:20

it's a weird type of intelligence because

19:23

he doesn't come off like he's better than you.

19:25

It's just, you know, he had this, he

19:27

wanted to be seen as an intellect and

19:30

he, you know, he liked dressing well.

19:32

He liked eating out at nice places, things

19:34

of that nature. So you really, really had this kind

19:36

of respect that, you know, I think he would be kind

19:38

of

19:39

wanted. And

19:41

then becoming friends, a lot of it was just

19:43

having that person that knew a lot

19:45

about business. He was funny. He could come

19:47

down to your level,

19:49

you know, and he was trustworthy. So I think a lot

19:51

of these reasons were why we ended

19:53

up kind of becoming friends.

19:55

Bo was, you know, we're recovering at it.

19:57

So

19:58

it was really always hard to,

20:00

go somewhere because I drink and

20:02

my friends drink

20:03

and we would go and we would always have

20:05

to be careful because he would be the sober one yeah

20:07

with a bunch of people that that would drink. The

20:10

one thing he did was smoked a lot and I think that was

20:12

because of his recovery. If he fell

20:14

off he fell off hard. I

20:16

had seen him relapse.

20:18

It was super intense. I had

20:20

never seen anybody like though

20:22

you know when they were kind of like drinking or high.

20:24

I mean super super intense. Very

20:27

talkative, very spontaneous

20:30

and he would use you know he would use hard drugs.

20:32

And then he would get good for a while and then he would

20:35

relapse but when he relapsed it was back.

20:37

It was major major relapse. So

20:40

I remember even at times he would

20:42

say you know look Brad if we're gonna do stuff I

20:44

prefer to maybe you know go to an event or go

20:46

to a movie or something like that. He didn't

20:48

always like being in that environment but then

20:50

sometimes he would get ahold of me and he'd be like what are you doing

20:53

tonight yeah let's go you know out with your friends

20:55

and I'd be like I think he might

20:57

have relapsed. But you know look I mean

20:59

he's a big boy. I wouldn't be like no

21:01

I can't talk to you until you're sober again.

21:04

Bo's experiences battling addiction

21:07

inspired him to do something big.

21:09

Something that his family felt he was destined for

21:12

all along. He had a dream to help

21:14

others in recovery by creating an

21:16

app where they could connect and access resources.

21:19

And that's exactly what he did. Here's

21:22

Amy again. He

21:24

suffered from addiction when he was younger

21:26

and in 2014

21:29

he had this idea. What would it

21:31

be like to have like a

21:32

Facebook?

21:33

An instant way to get a hold of somebody

21:35

else in recovery. His life

21:37

passion was helping others you know I mean

21:40

he founded Sobergrid a

21:42

digital health care company that provided

21:45

mental health as well as it's like addiction care

21:47

but it also includes mental health in 170 company

21:50

countries and the mobile user base

21:53

is the largest social media networking application

21:56

around for substance abuse people

21:58

right and so he was passionate

22:00

about touching people's lives and helping

22:03

others. He literally ate, slept,

22:05

and breathed sober grit. He actually

22:08

thought, you know, hey, if people were traveling

22:10

for business or for pleasure

22:12

and they're doing good with their sobriety

22:14

but they have an urge,

22:15

they don't know where to go for a local

22:18

AA

22:18

meeting. Where's the local AA meeting

22:20

in what church basement? He said, you

22:22

know, there needs to be like a Facebook kind of app

22:24

where people could reach out to one another.

22:27

You know, you can have like a an

22:29

automatic, you know, who's close by

22:31

that I can reach out to and

22:34

just have a friend, have somebody to talk to me

22:36

and whatever it is they do in AA

22:38

when someone feels like they need to have a

22:41

drink or whatever. He had this idea

22:43

and I can remember him sitting in my dining

22:46

room at like 3 a.m. talking to

22:48

these developers over in India, you know,

22:51

because he needs to get this app

22:53

off the ground and he's so passionate to

22:55

do it, right?

22:56

Really working on getting this app established

22:59

and of course he had help, nobody can do

23:01

anything alone. So he had some people

23:03

who helped him along the way, you know, people who

23:06

helped him pull in the finances, people who could help

23:08

with getting the word out, people that

23:10

just had the ability, the acumen

23:13

to be able to do that kind of stuff. And so

23:15

the app was doing pretty good. He wanted to

23:18

expand it to a couple of other things

23:21

after he had sober grit running and they

23:23

had, I don't know how many thousands of users,

23:25

hundreds of thousands of users.

23:27

He bought a scent which was a coaching

23:29

company. He wanted to bring the coaching

23:31

company into the app. So

23:34

people had in essence, it

23:36

was like having like an AA sponsor.

23:39

So you could

23:40

call a number and you're going to have

23:42

somebody right there who is a trained

23:45

and certified person.

23:47

He created sober grit which has been great

23:49

and I mean it still is great.

23:51

It's connecting people for

23:53

the exact reason that he wanted them

23:56

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25:50

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25:52

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25:55

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25:57

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25:58

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26:00

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26:03

mobile peer recovery community to

26:05

provide access to real-time recovery

26:07

support to anyone within reach of a mobile

26:09

device, enabling users to

26:11

discover other sober people in their immediate

26:13

neighborhood and connect to form a network

26:16

with them in order to share thoughts and

26:18

experiences associated with sobriety

26:20

and addiction recovery. We want to

26:22

play a clip for you of Beau speaking on

26:25

a podcast in August of 2021, just months

26:28

before that fateful day in November, when

26:31

Beau ultimately disappeared. The

26:33

creators of Positive Sobriety podcast

26:35

were gracious enough to give us permission

26:37

to use some clips from their interview with Beau

26:40

so that you can hear in his own words what his

26:42

vision was for sober grid.

26:45

For me, I entered the

26:47

substance use disorder arena from

26:49

having personal experience. That

26:52

experience started with alcohol

26:54

and really what made me realize that

26:57

I had an issue

26:59

was similar specifically cocaine.

27:02

When I was 23 years old, going

27:04

to 24 years old, and I immediately

27:07

realized it was problematic for me. I

27:09

sought out help for it and

27:11

went out to California and sought help for it.

27:14

I've been able to keep that

27:17

at bay for the last 15 years

27:19

to the cocaine and the alcohol

27:22

in the last 15 years, I've had problems with other

27:24

stimulants that I've had to work on. But

27:26

that's really what caused the first entrance

27:29

into recovery. One of the things

27:31

that I used, I went to a traditional

27:33

treatment center, but one of the things

27:35

that I used was peer support.

27:37

We start talking about the app, I'll talk

27:40

to you about how we use social recovery

27:42

to try to help aid people. That

27:44

was based off of my experience of like, I

27:46

used 12 step programs that were heavily peer

27:49

support. Social connectivity really

27:51

helps people with their challenges with

27:54

substances. Yeah. Yeah.

27:57

Johan Hari, of course, has been quoted endlessly

27:59

with that.

27:59

wonderful line, the opposite of addiction

28:03

is connection. Absolutely.

28:05

We did some research. We've done research with

28:08

partners from Harvard Medical School and

28:10

University of Pennsylvania Peron School of Medicine.

28:13

And we found that the more members,

28:15

the more people you were connected to in the app

28:17

correlated with less relapse

28:20

rates. So we can actually calculate

28:22

the more people that you are connected to by the

28:24

number of days less that you'll be less

28:27

likely to relapse. Well, Beau,

28:30

when you're a recovering

28:32

person and you know that connection helps people

28:34

and helps people stay sober

28:37

in those numbers

28:38

and it occurs to you one day, you know,

28:40

there ought to be an app for that. What was that moment?

28:43

I mean, how did you come to that space? I

28:46

was in at a film festival,

28:48

Sundance Film Festival in Park City, Utah. At the

28:50

time I was an art

28:52

dealer. I owned some art galleries. I

28:54

wanted to connect with someone to

28:56

go to a film screening and go to go to a

28:58

cup of coffee, go to dinner, go to

29:00

a, you know, support meeting. There was apps for every

29:03

other thing, but there wasn't apps to connect. That's

29:05

when I said, well, geez, I'm going to create an app to

29:07

connect sober people for supportive

29:10

connectivity. So I set out to do that. And

29:12

then, but the Genesis was really there at the Sundance

29:14

Film Festival. The next person

29:17

we want to introduce to you along our journey

29:19

through Beau's life is his fiance,

29:22

Jason. Jason explained that the

29:24

two met while he was on a trip to Texas

29:26

to attend a wedding

29:27

after the wedding. He decided to take a peek

29:30

at a dating app and stumbled upon Beau's

29:32

profile. I went on

29:34

Tinder and I wanted

29:36

to see who was out there because I had just

29:38

ended a relationship with someone after four

29:41

and a half years. I saw Beau's

29:43

and he was wearing a cowboy hat. He was an

29:45

entrepreneur and he just had these cute

29:47

dimples. That was the one person I wanted

29:50

to get back to me. And so I remember

29:52

I heard back from almost everybody and just ignored them

29:54

because I'm like, I'm leaving to, you know, to Michigan

29:56

like the next day. But Beau got back

29:59

to me at around nine. o'clock at night. So several hours

30:01

later, it'd be matched. And I remember

30:03

he was begging me begging

30:06

me to go out for a cup of coffee with him. And I said,

30:08

Bo, I don't know if I can though, because you waited

30:10

so long, you know, to match with me that I have to fly

30:12

out to Michigan the next morning real early. I said,

30:15

I can't do it. I said, he's like, please, please,

30:17

I'll drive and pick you up. I just coffee. I promise.

30:20

He kept pushing and pushing and pushing to the point where

30:22

I finally said, all right, let's do it. So

30:24

he was, he's like, I'm on my way. And

30:26

then about 10 or 15 minutes later, I hear back

30:28

from him and he said, I can't come get you

30:30

because I'm in Austin and you're in San

30:32

Antonio. Like that's like an hour and a half, two hour drive.

30:35

And I'm like, how did we match thing? Because I think

30:37

it's only like a 50 or 100 mile radius. And he was

30:39

like, I don't know. It was like meant to be.

30:41

Although they weren't able to connect in person

30:43

during that trip, Bo and Jason

30:46

kept in touch long distance over the weeks

30:48

that followed. And then Bo invited

30:50

Jason on a trip with him.

30:52

Jason was nervous. You just

30:54

never know about people you meet online. Are

30:56

they really who they're portraying themselves to be

30:59

online? Will you really like each other

31:01

once you meet? But Jason was smitten

31:03

with Bo and decided to go for it and

31:05

see where it took him.

31:06

Sometimes taking a risk pays off.

31:09

We

31:10

chatted and texted for about

31:12

three weeks, if I remember correctly, every

31:14

day, and then even started FaceTiming

31:17

at least once a day. And then

31:19

he said to me about, like I said, these three

31:21

or four weeks into it, I'm going to see

31:23

my godmother in the Hamptons. Would

31:25

you care to join me this weekend? And

31:28

I said, Yeah. And

31:30

so I remember going to meet

31:33

with him in New York City. So I flew from Detroit to LaGuardia.

31:36

And I remember my friend Ramon drove me and he

31:38

said to me, this is the craziest thing you've

31:40

ever done. You're meeting someone that you don't even know. And

31:42

if this guy is a weirdo or something, you know, just

31:44

call me immediately and I'll pick you up and use your American

31:47

Express card, get a plane ticket. And I'm like, you're right.

31:49

So I felt good about going. I

31:51

was worried. Yeah, I was worried. And of course,

31:53

Bo was late. So I was concerned as this guy going to

31:55

ghost me. I was really nervous. And Bo was, I

31:58

don't remember how late, but he was significantly late. I was

32:00

really worried, but he did text me when they come on my

32:02

way and he picked me up because it

32:04

was late. We decided to stay in New York City

32:06

that night and so going straight to the Hamptons. And so we went

32:08

to Hell's Kitchen and we had dinner

32:11

and we had a wonderful night together.

32:13

It was just wonderful. And then the next morning

32:16

we drove to the Hamptons. We

32:18

just couldn't get enough of each other. After

32:20

that date ended, he drove me back to the airport

32:22

because it was a long weekend. And I remember texting

32:25

him a really beautiful text about, I had a great time

32:27

and I really do like you and I think we could

32:29

make this work. I hope you feel the same.

32:32

And I didn't hear back from him for like hours.

32:35

And I was devastated because I thought, oh my God.

32:38

But then I did hear back from him later

32:40

on and he was like, I agree 100% mutual

32:42

feelings. Let's get together again

32:45

soon. And so the next time

32:47

I forgot if I went to Texas to see him or

32:49

if he came to Michigan, but I was going to Texas

32:51

to visit him every two or three weeks.

32:54

Jason and Bo continued their relationship

32:56

long distance. Jason was in Michigan

32:59

and Bo in Los Angeles where he

33:01

was working to keep growing sober grid, making

33:03

it better and better.

33:05

Bo had big dreams and was driven to

33:07

pursue them.

33:08

We often hear the term opposites attract

33:11

and Jason said that their personalities complimented

33:13

each other well. And Bo really helped bring

33:15

Jason out of his shell.

33:18

Not only did we have a love

33:20

for travel, Bo was very involved

33:22

in the arts. And

33:25

Bo taught me, if you want to know

33:28

who Bo really was, he taught me

33:30

class and sophistication. Not

33:32

to say it wasn't classy before, but he taught me a lot

33:34

about the world. When people

33:36

ask me about my relationship with Bo, I tell them

33:39

he was a dream come true. And when

33:41

they say, well, what do you mean by that? What did you love the most about

33:43

Bo? What I loved about him was I finally

33:45

met somebody that both of us

33:47

mutually were lifting each other up.

33:51

And there were things that I was just so fearful of. I

33:53

was a conservative banker and I had

33:55

dreams like everybody has, but I was stuck

33:58

in this like I'm in safe mode. I have a nine to

33:59

if I have job and Bo sort of plucked

34:02

me out of that and said, you know what,

34:04

I can tell I'm going to use an analogy. If we

34:06

were driving on the expressway, I'm

34:08

driving the left lane, Jason, I'm on the best lane.

34:10

You want to stay kind of in that middle lane almost towards

34:12

the right slow lane and people honk at you. I'm

34:15

going to take you in the fast lane with me, but I'm

34:17

going to put you in the passenger seat so you still feel safe.

34:19

And I'm going to be the one that takes the risk and drive.

34:22

And that would be the best analogy I can give

34:24

is that Bo basically made all

34:26

of my hopes and dreams and all the hopes and

34:29

dreams he clearly had that he was actively

34:31

making happen. He transformed

34:33

my life to where I wasn't

34:35

asking what I could do in my small town here

34:38

in Michigan anymore. We would have dinner

34:40

conversations where we would literally say things

34:42

and I'm being completely transparent.

34:44

Like how can we change the world? Or like

34:46

what can we focus on? And that's

34:48

what made my relationship special because I think deep

34:50

down, everybody probably has some form

34:52

of that dream. And sometimes

34:54

we're held back by our own fears and

34:57

by even reality sometimes. And Bo

34:59

was just such a free spirit that it was like, no,

35:01

get in the car. We're going to that fast lane. We're going to make

35:04

it happen. Since Bo has disappeared,

35:06

I found myself unfortunately slipping back into that

35:08

conservative lane because it takes

35:10

someone special like him to hold your hand

35:13

and help you really say no, the

35:15

world, anything is possible. We

35:17

were just doing things that were just unbelievable

35:20

as far as social causes and

35:23

making our dreams come true. And things

35:25

were happening in my life that I could

35:27

only have dreamed of. And Bo was 100% responsible

35:30

for that.

35:33

While many of us see long distance relationships

35:35

as challenging, it was a good fit for

35:38

Bo and Jason. Their five year

35:40

relationship was full of exciting adventures.

35:43

It was never a hard relationship with Bo.

35:46

It was always an exciting relationship because

35:48

we were long distance. And so I

35:50

would be so excited to see Bo. I

35:53

would take Bo to the airport and I would be so sad,

35:55

you know, cause I didn't want to let him go. But I, I

35:57

liked the long distance part of it and I think

35:59

he did. too, because it was always something to

36:01

look forward to. And so it wasn't just going to

36:03

LA or to Michigan, it was going

36:06

all over the world. I mean, we traveled

36:08

to so many places, I even wrote them down

36:11

to the Hamptons, to Cambridge, to Martha's Vineyard,

36:13

to Bermuda, to London, to Los Angeles. All

36:15

the way from Los Angeles, we drove our rental car to

36:17

San Francisco to see my brother. We went to

36:19

Texas, all throughout Texas. In fact, we drove from

36:22

Austin all the way to Detroit in a day

36:24

and a half. We stayed in Arkansas, we

36:26

went to Memphis, and we did the whole Memphis thing with

36:28

Elvis as a state and we did Ohio,

36:30

we did Chicago, we did obviously

36:33

many parts of Michigan, including the Great Lakes

36:35

on the west side of the state. Just past

36:37

year, actually, we went to Maine, we went to Cape Cobb,

36:40

we went to Heinesport, we went to Rhode Island, we went to Connecticut,

36:42

we went to Massachusetts countless times, we went to

36:44

Aruba, we went to Palm Beach and Delray for

36:46

his birthday every year. We were always

36:49

on an airplane seeing each other. And so it was always

36:51

a delightful, very wonderful

36:54

relationship. There was always something to look forward

36:56

to. And so that was

36:59

what I think made us so good together was that

37:01

not only did we text each other and call

37:03

each other multiple times a day, but

37:06

we were always seeing each other. I

37:08

think that made our relationship really fun.

37:11

Bo was successful, so he was able

37:13

to take lavish vacations and treat those

37:15

around him to special things or help those

37:17

in need. But there was stress that came

37:19

along with the job and success, and

37:22

he would sometimes open up about that to Jason.

37:25

I will tell you that Bo shared with me numerous

37:28

times how tired and exhausted he was.

37:30

He said that sober grid

37:32

was his baby, but that it was

37:35

just consuming him. And

37:37

he had fantasized about having a doorman

37:40

job. He would say, sometimes I fantasize about just

37:42

being a doorman. It's just

37:44

so stressful to me working

37:47

so hard at these things that sometimes I envy

37:49

people who aren't in these decision-making

37:52

roles all the time. He also mentioned

37:54

to me numerous times he had thought about starting

37:57

some recovery areas, like a

37:59

recovery island.

37:59

and he wanted to buy an island and

38:02

make it, call it Recovery Island. He

38:04

had big dreams, and we dreamed really big,

38:06

but I think that the stress of the reality of the

38:08

stresses that came with that, sometimes he

38:11

almost had a fantasy of just being

38:14

relaxed and not so always on edge

38:16

with constantly being on a conference

38:18

call and constantly having to make a tough decision

38:20

or constantly having to take up a risk

38:22

in a business ordeal.

38:24

Jason also told us that Bo had struggled

38:26

with feelings of shame about his addiction.

38:29

But Jason says that he was inspired by

38:31

Bo's life story and all that he had

38:33

overcome. He saw how Bo

38:35

harnessed his past to do something positive

38:38

for others going through the same thing, and

38:40

wants the world to see Bo in that light

38:43

too. He was very

38:45

guarded about it, as you can imagine, and

38:47

he was very ashamed about it. And he

38:49

would talk to me about my

38:51

own life and my own ambitions and about would

38:53

that stall my own ambitions being with someone

38:56

who struggled. And I said, Bo, absolutely

38:58

not. What I need you to understand

39:00

is that people would love to hear your

39:02

story about how you struggled your life and

39:04

you changed and you turned it around to help other

39:06

people. And I think that's such an inspirational

39:09

story that I can't even share because I

39:11

don't even have that experience. If you didn't

39:13

change your life and you didn't try to do something to help

39:15

the world and you didn't try to better yourself

39:18

and keep yourself clean, I think I could understand

39:20

what you were saying. But you were young

39:22

and it happened to you and you had a really

39:24

rough childhood, from what he told me. And so to

39:27

go through what you went through and then to ride

39:29

like a Phoenix from the ashes of it, if you will, I think

39:32

is a very inspirational story and one that I think

39:34

you could write a book about. I think people would be very

39:36

interested in what you had to say. And

39:38

I told them that constantly. I was like,

39:41

I think you're just so ashamed because it

39:43

was awful because you lived it. But

39:45

now you're on the other side of it for the most

39:48

part. And it's an inspirational

39:50

story to people. And that's the bow

39:52

that I want the world to know because he

39:54

has a legacy that I don't think he even realized

39:57

because it's a shame he did hold with this every

39:59

single. person on the planet, I think, know

40:01

someone, either themselves or someone,

40:04

that has struggled with some kind of addiction. And

40:07

Beau's just constant, constant

40:10

fighting and advocating for this

40:12

cause will be the legacy

40:14

that lives on with Beau, whether he's alive

40:17

or he's gone, because

40:19

he's helped a lot of people and he will

40:21

continue to do so. And so Beau has

40:24

no idea even when Beau was with

40:26

me, you know, and wasn't missing,

40:28

I would tell him these things. I mean, Beau, you've got such

40:30

a powerful story. And

40:33

so that's the Beau I really want the world to understand.

40:35

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43:13

Things seemed to be going well for Bo. He

43:15

had what appeared to be a solid relationship

43:18

with his fiancé. He had found success

43:20

doing something he loved with Sobergrid

43:23

and had dreams to keep growing that to help more

43:25

people around the world maintain their sobriety.

43:28

Bo had struggled with substance use disorder

43:30

himself,

43:31

but he wasn't someone that anyone expected to disappear

43:34

forever.

43:35

Bo's loved ones lived all over the US,

43:37

so we wanted to talk with someone who had seen Bo

43:39

right before he disappeared

43:41

and knew his routines fairly well. So

43:44

we spoke with a woman named Diana. Diana

43:46

was Bo's assistant since the summer of 2021, and

43:50

she gave us some background information about the work

43:52

she did for Bo and the nature of their

43:54

working relationship.

44:00

I only knew him for about six months. I

44:02

can tell you he was very, very nice, very

44:04

sweet man. I think

44:07

because I was older, he

44:10

felt a little more confident and just kind of

44:12

led me work. I would go

44:14

days, weeks without talking to him. Prior

44:17

to his disappearance, he went

44:19

to Aruba, he went home to

44:22

his fiance, he went to Thanksgiving.

44:24

So I mean, I didn't see him

44:26

for, I would say about two months,

44:28

from September to November. I

44:30

was placed by an agency. And

44:33

so, I met with him and I did

44:35

his book and I just helped

44:37

him get all caught up for the company that he ran.

44:40

He was extremely bubbly. He

44:42

was just very, very happy. I

44:44

will tell you, the first time

44:47

that I met him, he was setting

44:49

me up on his laptop so I

44:51

could get some work done and up popped

44:54

all these pictures of

44:56

yachts, syrens and things

44:58

like that. And he said to me, he was

45:00

so excited. He said, I'm proposing

45:03

to my fiance this weekend. And

45:05

so these are some ideas I have, but

45:08

he was just so gleeful and

45:10

it was really one of my favorite memories going

45:12

back. And that was really kind of

45:14

my first impression. I was sort of an

45:17

assistant, like a personal assistant, because

45:19

like he would have me do errands for

45:21

him,

45:22

pick up his dry cleaning, but mainly

45:25

I'm an accountant. So

45:27

I was doing about three years of

45:29

accounting for him. He had a

45:31

binder with a bunch of bank statements and I

45:33

was just going through the bank statements and inputting

45:36

and categorizing everything. And

45:38

he was trying to raise funds for his company.

45:40

So he was having the

45:42

create a contact list with angel

45:45

investors, things like that. Also,

45:47

I had a list of podcasts

45:49

that he was interested on going on to,

45:52

trying to contact them and set

45:53

up interviews. As

45:55

Diana mentioned, Bo had done some traveling

45:58

that fall and we will take a close. closer

46:00

look at that in part two. Beau

46:02

returned to LA right before he disappeared.

46:05

And it was Diana who picked him up from the airport

46:07

and returned Beau to his apartment. As

46:09

far as Diana could tell, things seemed

46:12

like business as usual. I

46:14

want to say it was November 29th. He

46:17

called me. He was coming in to

46:20

town from Texas. He had had Thanksgiving

46:22

and

46:23

he asked me to pick him up. And

46:25

so I picked him up.

46:26

He was in a really good mood. We were talking

46:28

about a lot of different things. What a great time

46:31

he had visiting with his family. I mean,

46:33

he was in a very, very good mood when I dropped

46:35

him off. He felt great. He had relaxed.

46:38

He had spent time with his fiance. He

46:40

had spent time with his family.

46:42

He was very happy. He had a great trip.

46:44

And he kept saying that. I had a great trip.

46:46

I had a great trip. And so we were talking about a

46:48

lot of different things. We were talking about

46:51

how I might be more helpful in the business.

46:53

And then he was also talking about,

46:56

because I worked out of sort of like a little apartment.

46:59

It was like a little apartment office and he slept

47:01

there. And then I worked

47:04

out of like the little conference area they had.

47:07

So that's where I would come and set up my

47:09

computer and do my work every

47:11

day. You

47:12

know, one of the things we were talking about is he wanted me

47:14

to find him an Airbnb so

47:16

that he could stay at the Airbnb and

47:19

not be in the office with

47:21

me. But he could have some

47:23

privacy I think. And that was kind of where he would

47:25

be more comfortable.

47:26

I looked around and we were talking about that.

47:29

And then he said, no, you know, I don't think I

47:31

want an Airbnb. I would like you to find

47:34

one of those remote offices. I'd

47:36

like to kind of have my apartment to myself and have

47:38

you work at an office. But

47:41

until then, go ahead and work from home. I

47:43

actually did find an office and I had the lease

47:45

and everything. So I was

47:47

reaching out to him and leaving him messages

47:50

that he wasn't answering me

47:52

back. And it was not unusual with Bo.

47:54

Bo wasn't on 24-7. So I

47:57

just got all the information and I sent him the lease

47:59

and all that.

48:00

I think the last time I heard from him was

48:03

I think November 30th.

48:06

After a few days without hearing from Beau,

48:09

Diana was contacted by Beau's fiance

48:11

and sister. Both were concerned because

48:13

they hadn't heard from him, but they didn't live in

48:15

LA. So they asked Diana

48:18

to check on Beau.

48:20

It was not unusual for me not to hear from him, they.

48:23

So I had no idea that anything

48:25

was happening. And then

48:27

I think it was that Friday I got

48:29

attacked from his fiance saying,

48:32

I haven't heard from him in three

48:34

days. We never go this long

48:35

without talking. And really minutes

48:38

later I got attacked from his sister

48:40

saying,

48:42

Diana, I haven't heard from Beau. Can

48:44

you go? I

48:47

got a little nervous because they were

48:49

really, really concerned. So I

48:51

called my son and I said, can you go with me?

48:54

I was very, very nervous.

48:56

It's understandable that Diana was nervous.

48:59

What might she be walking into and why had

49:01

no one heard from Beau?

49:03

So with her son by her side, Diana

49:05

went in.

49:06

Beau's apartment had a keypad and Diana

49:08

knew the passcode so she was able to gain

49:11

access. Had someone harmed Beau

49:13

at his apartment?

49:14

Could Beau have had a medical emergency?

49:17

All of those thoughts were racing through Diana's mind

49:19

as she walked through the door.

49:21

I walked into the office

49:24

and he was not there, but the office

49:26

was trash. Beau was not

49:28

any person.

49:29

He was very, very messy and

49:32

he had made a smoothie and it was like on

49:34

his desk and the blender,

49:37

the sink was just full of dishes.

49:40

I don't know how you could have even gone through so many dishes.

49:42

The thing is I was later told by,

49:45

I believe it was fiance

49:48

that sometimes he goes into a dark place

49:51

and even though he's not a very neat person,

49:53

he goes into kind of an OCD where

49:55

he has to wash everything. So he thought

49:58

that's what had happened.

52:00

And you know, the thing is his apartment didn't, you

52:02

know, it wasn't like a

52:03

regular apartment,

52:04

it's just like a sofa bed and there

52:06

wasn't anywhere for him to hide. I

52:08

looked in the bathroom, I looked in the shower, they

52:11

said, just go file a police report. And so then

52:13

I went to file a police report. And they said,

52:15

well, you can't do it because you're not a family member.

52:17

So then I called his family, gave them the information

52:20

and asked them

52:21

if they could please call. So that's what

52:23

happened. I started working with the family,

52:25

sent posters, talked to a sponsor,

52:27

his sponsor got involved, got some of the people in the

52:30

group involved, putting up posters,

52:32

going down to the missions and

52:34

things like that. I continued helping the family.

52:37

I would send out, like I've got a list

52:39

of parks because the fiance

52:41

mentioned to me that he really liked parks and trees

52:44

and things like that. I sent

52:46

letters out to the parks saying, you know, if

52:48

you see this person.

52:50

These clues that they uncovered early on proved

52:53

to be pivotal in establishing a timeline.

52:55

They were slowly pulling together bits and pieces

52:58

of Bo's last day, trying to make

53:00

sense of each step that he took on November

53:02

30th, 2021.

53:05

We called Uber trying to find out where

53:07

he had gone, what had been dropped

53:09

off, that kind of thing. And they basically

53:12

were just kind of like, we can't give you that information.

53:15

But they say we can only give that information to the police.

53:17

And I said, well, we have a case number, you

53:19

can reach out to them. And I gave that

53:21

information to them so they could

53:23

contact the police and let them know,

53:25

you know, whatever information.

53:27

But I mean, I understand, you know, he's a grown man.

53:29

And we were getting updates like,

53:32

Oh, I found out that he had had breakfast at

53:34

this mission. And they say he comes

53:36

here pretty frequently, I'm going to try to come during

53:38

breakfast.

53:39

And then I heard something like, he

53:41

made it all up. So we would

53:43

get very, very excited hearing that

53:45

he had been seen. And then we

53:48

would get these sponsors that Oh, he

53:50

made it up, or that didn't really happen. But

53:53

when the family came, we did go to that 711. He

53:56

did remember seeing him. He was able to

53:58

get video footage of him being there.

53:59

there, the police had finally reached

54:02

out to Uber, they had finally

54:04

connected, and they found out that he had been

54:06

dropped off at an address at Berkeley.

54:09

I didn't know anything about this address.

54:12

They were told that Bo had been dropped off at this

54:14

address, and the resident who lived there

54:16

said that she didn't know Bo. They

54:19

kept circling over everything that they knew about

54:21

the day, trying to understand what he

54:23

was doing and why. Bo had

54:25

been traveling around to various places on

54:27

the 30th via Uber and Lyft,

54:30

but some of the places didn't have much of an explanation.

54:33

They kept asking themselves what was Bo doing

54:36

and why did he get let out at that address on

54:38

Berkeley Street. They later learned that

54:40

Bo had used an in-app safety feature

54:42

to text 911 from his Uber ride,

54:45

minutes after he had gotten back into the vehicle at

54:47

the 7-Eleven, but before the Uber

54:49

had arrived at the Berkeley Street address.

54:52

The text said I'm taking a trip with Uber,

54:54

Grey. Authorities attempted to reach

54:57

Bo, but were unable to connect

54:59

with him. What had been happening inside

55:01

that Uber that Bo felt the need to contact 911?

55:05

Next week we're going to take a closer look at the day that Bo

55:08

vanished and what we know about

55:09

the places he had stopped at while he was out

55:11

and about before ultimately vanishing. We're

55:14

also going to go back over the months in the lead up

55:16

to Bo's disappearance and see what

55:18

we may be able to learn about the things that were going

55:20

on in Bo's life at that time that

55:23

could have influenced his mindset and actions

55:25

on the day that he went missing.

55:27

If you have any information regarding the disappearance

55:30

of Bo Mann, please contact

55:32

the LAPD Missing Persons Unit at

55:34

213-486-0260. Anyone

55:38

wishing to remain anonymous can call LA

55:40

Regional Crimestoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS. Again,

55:45

special thanks to Positive Sobriety Podcast

55:48

for allowing us to use clips from their interview

55:50

with Bo. You can hear more of that interview

55:52

if you check out their show wherever you listen to podcasts.

55:56

in

56:00

his apartment and my mom and then

56:02

I think stayed in a hotel, but I

56:04

slept in his apartment for the two days

56:06

that we went down there. I slept

56:08

on the couch I think for two days, just

56:11

kind of hoping that maybe he would walk

56:13

in there at night or something. There's

56:16

still a part of me that thinks that Bo could still be alive

56:18

because

56:19

he's deeply, deeply

56:22

ashamed of the disease.

56:25

He knows how hard it is. He even

56:27

did a Forbes article about how you

56:29

don't just go into recovery and stay in recovery, that

56:31

people have slips and stuff. So I was concerned

56:34

and then I thought, well, maybe he saw the family come.

56:36

Maybe he saw the posters. Maybe he's not sure how

56:38

he can get himself out of this. Maybe

56:40

he is just so ashamed. It's 15,

56:43

16 months later. I don't know what to believe anymore, but I

56:45

have days where I wake up 100% convinced

56:47

he's alive. And then I have days

56:49

where I'm 100% convinced he's no longer here.

56:52

It's never consistent.

57:02

That brings us to the

57:05

end of episode 390.

57:08

I'd like to thank everyone

57:12

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57:21

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57:26

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57:28

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57:31

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57:35

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57:51

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