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back. Miranda, you've

4:32

been your whole life going back and

4:35

forth between Australia and the United States.

4:37

You were born in Australia, and you were educated in the United

4:39

States, and you were educated in Australia. Why

4:42

don't you give us a little background? Yes,

4:45

and also Tokyo, which actually was

4:48

sort of like a mini United States. There

4:52

were such America files in the 60s and

4:54

the 70s. So my

4:56

parents were journalists. My father was a

4:58

foreign correspondent, and he was

5:00

a New Zealander, but he was working for

5:02

an Australian newspaper when he met my mother.

5:05

They went to New York where I was born, and then

5:08

to Tokyo where one of my sisters

5:10

was born. I went

5:12

to an American school, had an American accent. Then

5:15

we went to Australia when I was about 11, and overnight

5:18

changed my accent to a very strong

5:21

Australian accent, which my mother was horrified about.

5:24

Then my parents came back to

5:27

Chicago, sorry, New York, Capac and

5:53

cured them and cured me of any

5:55

idea that I would do anything else. How

5:57

often do you go back to Australia? about

6:00

once a year. We have two grown-up

6:02

sons who live there and miss

6:04

them very much and just

6:06

love seeing them. How

6:08

do you but you also you

6:11

comment on British politics a lot, right? Well

6:14

kind of. I mean because I worked

6:16

for News Corp for so long, I

6:19

went and had a six-month stint

6:21

in on Fleet Street basically

6:23

working for doing a

6:25

sort of a training stint or an

6:27

internship on Sunday Times

6:30

and The Sun and a now defunct newspaper

6:32

called Today. So I knew

6:34

a little bit about British journalism

6:36

and you know having worked and

6:39

studied in America and I think

6:41

Australia is more like British journalism.

6:44

It's not as rigorous

6:46

or you know there's more of

6:49

a tradition I guess of good writing

6:52

and reportage in America whereas in

6:54

England and to a lesser extent Australia

6:56

it's about the sub-editors on the desk

6:58

have more power than the reporters in

7:00

the field whereas in America you report

7:03

a writer and I mean I prefer

7:05

that. I used to think that America

7:07

was really the gold standard. Certainly

7:10

when I was at Northwestern in 1996 gold

7:13

standards journalism I looked up to you know

7:16

writers particularly you know on the

7:19

august publications like the New York

7:21

Times and so on but in

7:24

the 30 or so years since they've

7:27

really fallen down and become

7:31

a caricature and a shadow

7:33

of what they used to be and

7:35

they've perversion journalism and yet

7:37

they still have the you

7:40

know fine reputations. I think they follow

7:43

along. You talk a lot about what's

7:45

happened to that the Ivy League universities.

7:48

I think the same things happen to the

7:50

sort of Ivy League newspapers. I

7:53

think it has too. What do you what

7:55

do you when you look at the Berliner

7:58

all this controversy about PBS and

8:01

NPR, have you got to the point

8:03

where it just would be better just

8:05

to get the government out of it

8:07

entirely since, you know, it's not PBS

8:09

when I was a kid in California

8:11

and NPR, it was billed

8:13

to us as this is your only chance to

8:15

have a commercial free station

8:18

on the air and television. We're

8:20

going to have all of these

8:22

culturally enriching opportunities.

8:25

And now in the age of, you know,

8:27

direct TV or whatever your Hulu or what

8:29

you have five or six hundred channels, many

8:31

of them have no commercials. Why

8:35

do we need it anymore? Do you think because

8:37

it's not really public TV or public radio

8:40

anymore, it's an extension of the liberal

8:42

project or project or even that's being

8:45

charitable. What's your view on

8:47

that after you've seen this underbelly with

8:49

82 editorial staffers in the

8:51

NPR room that are all liberal?

8:55

It's impossible to fix that culture. You

8:57

know, the only thing you can do

8:59

is scrap it. But

9:02

America's a lot luckier

9:04

than Australia or Britain

9:06

because there, you know, NPR has

9:08

hardly any footprint here. It doesn't really have

9:11

much influence in

9:13

Australia. There's something called

9:15

the ABC, which is the English equivalent

9:17

of the Australian equivalent of the BBC. And

9:19

they have an enormous impact on

9:21

the news and the sort

9:24

of narratives that are spun

9:26

and they're equally left wing.

9:28

And, you know, just like NPR,

9:30

they've got their people by the

9:32

same and they're completely funded very

9:34

generously in Australia. Anyway, the

9:36

ABC by the government, they're the dominant media

9:39

voice and they have much more

9:42

money than, you know, as the

9:44

commercial operations have shrunk, the

9:47

ABC is now very wealthy

9:49

and can afford to poach

9:51

at the best reporters from

9:53

the commercial television stations and

9:55

other networks and

9:57

they have the best equipment. It really

9:59

is. is the employer of choice if

10:01

you're a journalist in Australia now. And

10:04

are they as far left as NPR?

10:07

Oh, wait. More so? Oh,

10:09

yes. How can

10:11

that be possible? More

10:13

so, huh? More

10:15

so. I

10:18

think, you know, I know

10:20

that, you know, we're living here and

10:22

we are complaining about what happened during

10:24

COVID and censorship and so on. But

10:26

at least America is fighting back. At

10:28

least Americans understand what's going on and

10:30

they have a First Amendment and there

10:32

are people in Congress who

10:35

understand what's going on and are trying

10:37

to push back. Whereas in somewhere

10:39

like Australia and you see in

10:41

Europe as well, these new censorship

10:43

rules that Facebook and they're trying

10:45

to impose on Elon Musk even

10:47

at Twitter, they're sort of

10:49

accepted by the populace without complaint because

10:52

they don't really know any better. And

10:54

they do believe the story that, well,

10:56

during COVID, we had to protect

10:58

the public from crazy conspiracy theories.

11:01

And, you know, you saw in Australia how

11:05

the place was shut down and it

11:07

was really seemed to

11:10

Americans here anyway, that was a police state. And,

11:12

you know, I had friends and I was

11:14

traveling back after COVID to Australia and no

11:16

one really noticed that anything terrible had happened.

11:21

But we were

11:23

all growing up and in college, it

11:25

was always the freer and more autonomous

11:28

you wanted to be, you went west in the United

11:30

States. So Utah, Nevada,

11:32

California just did your thing. And if

11:34

you really, really wanted to be so,

11:36

you went west to Australia, Crocodile

11:39

Dundee and you just didn't give it. And

11:41

that's all a myth now, of course. Is

11:44

that rugged Australian outback

11:46

caricature false now? There doesn't

11:48

exist anymore? Well, those

11:51

people still exist and they're fantastic.

11:53

But unfortunately, they've been completely overwhelmed

11:55

by the

11:58

same way here. What's happening? The

12:00

Born your I'm sure it up. In his to people

12:02

like you in California and but. The

12:04

you know you're using control The people

12:06

who. Are the

12:08

politicians and them media maze and.

12:11

The funny thing about California, we have forty

12:14

while we were losing them at three Hundred

12:16

Bowels Two hundred and fifty thousand three hundred

12:18

thousand every year. But. We.

12:20

Have forty million people and one

12:22

third of them are conservative and

12:24

that really makes us the largest

12:27

red state. So and yeah, you

12:29

know if you have about thirteen

12:31

million and or and and it's

12:33

funny and or it's kind of

12:35

like French conservatives are black conservative

12:37

intellectuals. When you meet conservatives in

12:40

California though the most conservative and

12:42

have anybody to have to be

12:44

to survive. So the top third

12:46

of the state is. It

12:49

lightly populated and then you and

12:51

that's all conservative and then the

12:53

great Central Valley except around. Sacramento.

12:56

Area ah his conservative, the

12:58

Foothills and the Sierra or all

13:01

conservative the inland Empire east of

13:03

Los Angeles toward the desert

13:05

as conservative And and we

13:07

had this. Ah,

13:10

V. Eight Thirty Million. Twenty.

13:13

Five thirty million person stripped from

13:15

Berkeley De la Hoya on the

13:17

coast where everything is crazy and

13:19

they run at everything have nine

13:21

trillion dollars market capitalization and silicone

13:23

valley's where our universities are and

13:26

everything. And it's funny because here

13:28

I'm in the San Joaquin Valley

13:30

and the night before last I

13:32

went to a Republican on Lincoln

13:34

dinner nurse and speaking and I

13:36

have been to these and Nevada

13:38

and. Arizona

13:40

except for this point, but evening

13:42

was the most conservative than I've

13:45

ever been out. And

13:47

that's the kind of it so that you get a

13:49

kind of and versatile. ah

13:52

concert you're right a new york why don't

13:54

you tell us what your impression are of

13:57

these crazy trials in what and trump in

13:59

Harlem. What's the impression? Are you optimistic that

14:01

there will be one brave juror who will

14:03

look at the evidence and not nullify it?

14:06

Are you pessimistic? You don't know? Or what

14:08

do you, what do you, what's your impression

14:10

of what's going on in this circus? Well

14:14

it's similar to you with California. There are

14:16

a lot of closet Republican,

14:18

they're not really closet, but they're, they're

14:20

pretty staunch conservatives in

14:22

New York and particularly,

14:25

you know, places like Staten Island and

14:27

pockets in Long Island. And

14:29

you know, I served, I had to go into

14:31

a jury pool in Manhattan last

14:34

year. And so I spent

14:36

all day with, you know, the

14:38

same sort of people in this

14:40

jury pool and they seemed pretty

14:42

run of the mill ordinary, decent,

14:44

nice working people. I

14:46

think that maybe the elites managed to get

14:48

out of even going to the jury pool.

14:51

But you know, they seem fairly

14:53

reasonable. I didn't detect that they

14:55

were crazy blue-haired, you know, upper

14:57

west side haters of Donald Trump.

14:59

But you know, you look at

15:02

the questions of the jury and there are a lot

15:04

of people who said

15:06

that they just, particularly women who

15:08

seem to detest Donald Trump, who

15:10

just couldn't be fair and impartial.

15:12

I think they got rid of

15:14

48 by yesterday morning. They passed

15:17

over 48 jurors who

15:19

said that they couldn't be fair and impartial. And I

15:22

think I saw this morning even they

15:25

had a woman who was she's one

15:27

of the alternate jurors. And she

15:29

said that yes, you know, she thinks that Donald

15:31

Trump is a selfish choice. So

15:34

but you only need one who likes him.

15:37

And then maybe there'll be a Russian cab

15:39

driver or a Mexican American and

15:43

teen owner or mobile kitchen or something.

15:45

Yeah, that would that would be good.

15:47

What do

15:49

you do you like this

15:52

split screen strategy he's doing that

15:54

so he's at the Rainy wake

15:57

of an officer who was killed and

15:59

then. The biden.

16:01

Is leveraging twenty six million was

16:03

celebrities and Clinton are he's a

16:05

chick lay in Atlanta. Why biden

16:08

Scott? Robert Deniro eccentric, separate the

16:10

White House or he's up and

16:12

a bad guy and parlance it.

16:15

That's. The. Think that's gonna what

16:17

that as seems to be getting a lot of

16:19

publicity and it's driving that left to the degree

16:21

they want even. To. Mention it

16:23

drives me crazy. You think it's

16:25

a pretty successful strategy so far?

16:27

Brilliant. Oh, you know, the reason

16:29

it's brilliant his dick is it

16:31

actually comes problems Something authentic. A

16:33

mean. See, I remember. When his

16:36

palace stains, Ah happen stadiums.

16:38

It as a rail train and the the

16:40

toxic player and that's affected alas poor people.

16:43

Well I'm in. I don't trump went there

16:45

immediately and it's brought some was at that.

16:47

I'm just the fact that he cared about

16:49

somewhere as dumb as whereas Joe Biden was

16:51

completely ignoring them and still, you know how

16:54

long does it take him to go there?

16:56

But when this very cursory deserts. And I

16:58

think it was the same out with the.

17:01

Police officer who was killed in New

17:03

York you know, don't jumps from New

17:06

York. He loves the cops. Joe Biden

17:08

pretends that he's a sort of a

17:10

cop lover ends arm. I think that's

17:12

more based around the union background that

17:14

he has. Spent

17:16

He doesn't have that Embassy. And

17:19

it's ironic with Joe Biden because

17:21

I think his, his soul and

17:23

a sign of has been defined

17:25

by the word embassy And that

17:27

just comes from the fact that

17:30

it's. Very beginning of his career

17:32

even before he got insists. On

17:34

descendants his. Wife and baby daughter

17:36

would shield I'm in a recent

17:38

car crash. So he comes into the

17:40

senate is this young widow I just

17:43

turned thirty and and gear the embassy

17:45

was coming from the entire country and

17:47

from his senate colleagues. Who reached out

17:49

to him I think is Korea got a

17:51

big boost or because he had these and

17:53

mentors and they wives were telling them look

17:56

after this young widow us and and but

17:58

but I've never seen a sign. I've

18:00

seen a lot of empathy given to

18:02

Joe Biden for his entire career

18:05

and he trades off it in every

18:07

campaign, but I've never seen

18:09

much empathy coming from him to other

18:11

people. It's always about him. It

18:14

is. It is. He's

18:16

always been, I follow him most of

18:18

my life and even the tragic

18:20

car crash, it wasn't more than a year

18:23

or two that he was on the

18:25

campaign trail unfairly alleging that the truck

18:27

driver was found not

18:29

to be culpable. I think he used that

18:31

term maybe 10 or 20

18:34

times he drank his lunch. In other words, and

18:36

the family had kept begging him. Don't say that.

18:39

He was never found culpable. He never

18:41

drank. He didn't do anything wrong. If

18:43

anything, when you read the

18:45

police report, it was almost suggesting that

18:47

maybe Mrs. Biden had

18:49

a rolling stop at the intersection, but

18:52

he didn't stop until finally it

18:54

got so bad he did. It's

18:57

been that way with everything. You remember when

19:00

he ran for president or he was on

19:02

the concrete, he'd say, hey, fat or you're

19:04

lying dog face pony chills or

19:06

he'd call an African American assistant and

19:09

boy, you ain't black.

19:12

You're a junkie. I never understood

19:15

the old Joe Biden from Scranton

19:17

because he was a pathological fabricator

19:20

and he's mean to people. It

19:23

comes out all the time. It's

19:25

a complete myth that

19:27

he was an empathetic, sympathetic character

19:29

from the lower middle classes that

19:32

weren't scrabble. He

19:36

never seems to be worried about people who

19:39

are victims of all of these

19:41

hyperinflation or gas prices.

19:44

He's always been somebody who Willie

19:47

was infatuated or admired

19:49

the very wealthy and wanted to be around them.

19:52

I think you're right about Trump. He came to Tulare,

19:54

California. I wasn't there, so I asked a lot of

19:56

people. It's

19:59

Where The World. Scenarios, but it's

20:01

kind of. The. Epitome of

20:03

rural California and agriculture and out when

20:05

they com mommy Mccain I have been

20:07

there are some times and they put

20:10

they get a caterpillar house they get.

20:13

The. Hay bales and and they com and

20:15

they use you were work shirts, And

20:18

co my killer you know I'm so tired

20:20

that kind of think voice when she did

20:22

he about yeah and obama the same thing

20:25

but that so i ask everybody. I.

20:28

Said well. he did the school in the mouth.

20:30

And he had that. The blue shirt and jeans

20:32

said no. I said

20:35

well what? What wasn't like He said

20:37

it was over one hundred degrees. He

20:39

was sweating like a dog. Young black

20:41

suit and wingtip shoes. He had this

20:43

great in ah. Bronx

20:46

accent and he was completely

20:48

dress down A place and

20:50

everybody loved it. And

20:52

I said why was that They

20:54

said because he was authentic he

20:56

didn't change. It's spots just to

20:58

meet the and farm. That's his

21:00

greatest forte and if he can.

21:03

Are you? Are you confident about the election?

21:06

As opposed to the balloting about elections,

21:08

one thing and then the ballot, the

21:10

process, the other are you confident about

21:13

either? And silk

21:15

he sings was say i am. And

21:18

ends in either the F B

21:20

I see I whoever didn't put

21:22

their some on the scale am

21:24

I think that Donald Trump could

21:27

win even despite the. Some.

21:30

Character Assassination Which I mean to

21:32

say he brings it on himself.

21:34

He he's makes himself a big

21:36

target Csl. But. Again, you

21:39

know it was interesting what you say

21:41

that he's authenticity Even some of the

21:43

people. That you're as that have been

21:45

asked questions about. Hims who aren't that

21:48

fond of him what they have said women

21:50

and said well you know at least sort.

21:52

of what you see is what you get

21:54

an a grudging late ah you know they

21:56

admire the fact that he speaks. His. mind and

21:58

that's you know one woman said, well, you know,

22:00

I get into trouble. My mother said to me, you know,

22:02

don't say anything rude, don't you mind you get into trouble.

22:05

He can't, doesn't seem to be able to do that. But

22:07

they don't, you know, maybe

22:09

as time goes on, people realize that

22:11

he doesn't have a filter. I mean, it's not

22:13

that he's contriving

22:16

to insult people. It's

22:18

just really what he thinks. And he doesn't, he

22:21

doesn't, he doesn't hold back. And

22:24

it's the exact opposite of Joe Biden. They

22:26

could not be two more different characters.

22:28

You know, Joe Biden is everything that

22:31

you don't think he is. And

22:33

Donald Trump just is what you see is what

22:35

you get. And he's quite a, you know,

22:37

I've been castigated by some readers or

22:40

lefty readers who say, how can you

22:42

say that he's, you know, he's warm.

22:44

But when when you meet him, he

22:48

is a very warm and kind of generous person.

22:51

And I mean, he has so

22:54

many faults and foibles. And I

22:56

really disliked the way he came

22:58

after out Ron DeSantis. I did

23:00

too. During them. Yeah. And I

23:02

mean, and also Nikki Haley, who I mean,

23:04

I liked Ron DeSantis as a

23:07

candidate, I didn't really think Nikki

23:09

Haley was that great. But I didn't like the way

23:11

he came after her either. I remember she

23:14

gave a speech after a loss and she

23:16

was wearing a dress which was very similar

23:18

to a dress my mother had had worn

23:21

and liked very much was a lovely dress.

23:23

And he was nasty about her dress. And

23:26

so he has also a nasty streak,

23:28

which I think turns women off. And,

23:32

and I think, you know, you see men

23:35

just in all

23:37

polls, you see this growing divide

23:40

between the genders between the

23:42

sexes, I should say. And, and

23:48

and I think that's why I think

23:50

that sort of gratuitous swipes women

23:53

particularly don't like when it's aimed at women. You

23:56

know, and he has ability. Do you remember

23:58

when his brother died? It was kind

24:00

of tragic. And he was an alcoholic, supposedly.

24:03

And Donald Trump was asked about if he drank.

24:05

And he said, Oh my God, can you imagine

24:07

what I would be like if I drank? And

24:11

he meant it. It's too bad that

24:14

he can't. And I've written a couple of suggestions,

24:16

not that, and I've talked to him once in

24:18

a while, but he should, he

24:21

could have called Haley up and say, look, you

24:23

may not like me and I don't like you,

24:26

but we're on the same team. And this

24:28

is an existential fight now because these people

24:30

are not Democrats. They're Jacob and Raoul. Can't

24:33

we find some modus operandi

24:35

so we can get along? And

24:37

I'm trying to go on and I will go half way. And

24:39

he could do the same thing with the Santa's, all of them.

24:43

It would be, he has

24:45

no margin of error. And I think you're right. He's going

24:47

to have to win the popular vote in

24:49

these States by three to 5% because of the

24:52

balloting. Well, I was talking to

24:54

a guy not too long ago and he said, I

24:56

said that to him. He said, well, and

24:59

a lot of the swing

25:01

state, big cities,

25:04

Atlanta and

25:08

Phoenix and Las

25:10

Vegas and

25:12

Detroit, Milwaukee, that

25:15

are going to matter. A

25:19

lot of the Latino minority

25:21

black population is disproportionately

25:25

represented in balloting

25:27

city government registrars.

25:30

And this time around, if

25:32

it's true that 20 to 25% of

25:35

the black vote is sympathetic to Trump and

25:37

40 to 45% Latino vote, you're

25:39

going to have members of the Trump.

25:42

People sympathetic to Trump who are going to

25:44

be involved in the ballot process in

25:46

a way that was less true in 2020. And

25:50

they are going to be the years and not that he

25:52

was giving me this. I hadn't heard that before, but

25:54

I don't know to what degree that's true. And

25:56

it could be. He's

26:00

so alienated the white non-college

26:02

working class that he doesn't,

26:04

I mean, he's never going to

26:07

get the, that's the people that live around here

26:09

along with Mexican American people. He's

26:11

lost, I can tell you, I live in

26:13

a community that's 95% Mexican American. He has

26:15

lost the Mexican American

26:18

mail vote over 40, especially

26:21

self-employed. They've just

26:23

been crushed by the gas prices, the food

26:25

prices added on

26:28

to the California cost of living,

26:30

and they don't like the emphasis

26:32

on transgenderism and soft on crime

26:34

and all about. So, and

26:36

that's a bit, those are, that's the one

26:38

rubric along with Latino

26:41

women that over 40

26:43

that vote, and I think that's going to show

26:45

up. But I had one question I

26:47

wanted to ask you. So we're

26:49

leading, we're learning that he's

26:51

supposedly going to, he's polling historic

26:54

highs among minorities compared to

26:56

other Republicans. And yet

26:58

the more that we hear that story, the

27:01

more that we also see the national

27:04

polls where they're almost dead even, is

27:06

that gain in minority support?

27:09

Does that explain why in these key

27:11

states like Georgia or Arizona, he's still

27:13

ahead? Or how can he

27:15

be gaining in the Latino and black

27:17

communities? But Biden

27:20

is catching up and almost even if not

27:22

ahead in the national poll. Well,

27:25

I think the national poll narrative is a

27:27

bit dishonest. Cause like,

27:29

for instance, this is an example, the CNN

27:31

New York Times poll just

27:33

recently, the New

27:35

York Times trumpeted as, Oh, you

27:37

know, now Joe Biden's

27:40

on this bag since the state of the union,

27:42

because he did such a brilliant job and he's

27:44

caught up to Trump. Well, that's not

27:46

true. If you look at the margin of error, there

27:49

is 3.3%. So

27:51

actually I think it was a difference of five

27:53

points or something he caught up, which is within the

27:56

margin of error. So that,

27:58

that they just, they. they will twist

28:00

the narrative whatever way they want. And the other

28:02

thing is, these polls

28:04

are tiny numbers. I think that was

28:07

like less than 1000. So over sampled

28:09

women by a significant amount. So I

28:11

don't really put stock in that momentum

28:13

story unless you know, we have to

28:15

wait quite a long time. And also,

28:18

it's just not true that Joe Biden

28:20

did a brilliant job at State of

28:22

the Union, he managed not to fall

28:24

off the stage or drop dead, but

28:26

that was it. I don't think anyone

28:29

who was paying attention thought he did

28:31

a great job. You could tell from

28:33

watching CNN and MSNBC after it, they

28:35

were pretty deflated. And

28:38

then the thing about the minorities, I'm

28:40

just a little suspicious about that, because

28:43

I drank the Kool-Aid in 2020.

28:46

And believe that, you know,

28:48

there was such an emphasis in the Trump

28:50

campaign about, you know, that letting

28:53

people out of jail and so on and

28:55

just wooing minorities and that this was working

28:57

really well. But when you looked at the

28:59

exit polls, in fact, he hadn't really moved

29:01

the dial very much. That was

29:04

a waste of time. Maybe it would have been

29:06

better if you just focused on the people that

29:08

were really going on, on getting

29:11

out the vote in places like. Yeah,

29:14

I agree. I don't think any of his

29:16

support, the candidate

29:18

from Latinos or black

29:20

that's been supposedly increased comes from

29:23

a greater appreciation of Trump. I

29:25

think it's unlike 2020,

29:28

Biden was old Joe Biden from Scranton, who

29:30

was going to be the working class. And

29:33

then they've got they're just voting against him

29:35

now. Yeah. And there's all

29:37

these people, there's a lot of suburban

29:39

women, a lot of minorities, even

29:41

I know people at Stanford

29:44

campus and will whisper and

29:46

they'll say, have you been up to San Francisco lately?

29:48

Or, you know, we don't drive much, but we had

29:50

to drive to LA. Do you see what gas is

29:52

like? Did you know that

29:54

my kid had straight A's and

29:56

perfect SAT and he didn't get into Stanford under

29:59

the new reputation? And

30:02

what they're trying to say is that they want a

30:04

reason to vote against Biden. They

30:07

don't know if they're going to vote for Trump, but they have

30:09

no empathy for Trump. But

30:11

unlike 2016 and 2020, they've seen now Joe

30:14

Biden, and they don't want another four

30:16

years. And

30:21

there's, I don't know how he's going

30:23

to capture that vote, but there's

30:25

a lot of discontent with Biden. And

30:28

maybe if they just voted for Robert Kennedy

30:30

or stayed home, it would be good. But

30:34

he has to find a way to

30:36

capture him. I don't know what's

30:38

the full effect. I have one last question on

30:40

the trials, and I'd like to ask you some

30:42

stuff about last night's

30:44

attack, retaliatory attack

30:47

by Israel. Do you

30:49

think there's going to be... What's your

30:51

reaction that we've just started this

30:53

four-indictment cycle? Does

30:56

he continue to gain empathy the

30:58

more outrageous this is, and he's sort

31:00

of in the docket and people see

31:02

this? Or do finally people

31:04

go into a fetal position, put their hands over their

31:06

ears, and I can't take it anymore? And how do

31:08

you get himself in this? What

31:11

will be the net effect? Or is

31:13

it neither, say in August or September,

31:15

if we see this every

31:17

single week? Look,

31:20

I think the damage is at the opportunity

31:22

cost. As Donald Trump himself is saying, I

31:24

should be in Georgia, I should be in

31:26

Pennsylvania. Yeah. While

31:30

Joe Biden just spends pretty much all his

31:32

time in Pennsylvania, not to much great effect,

31:35

but at the 19 electoral votes there

31:37

that are going to be crucial. Donald

31:42

Trump does win over people when

31:44

he goes and does these rallies

31:46

and goes to the bodega

31:50

or goes to the policeman's

31:52

funeral, he or me

31:55

to the policeman's widow. I think that's the damage.

32:00

you know, I don't think it's a good look for

32:02

him continually to be sitting in court because people who

32:04

are low information are just going to

32:06

think, well, he must have done something wrong. Yeah.

32:09

And that's what I feel that they're

32:11

going to drain him financially,

32:14

physically, mentally, hit

32:16

time wise. And then by August

32:18

and September, people are

32:20

going to, they're not going to

32:22

be sympathetic but prosecuting. And they're

32:25

just going to say, I

32:27

need somebody to beat Biden

32:29

and he's distracted and

32:31

he brings this on himself. Even though

32:33

I don't think that's quite true, but I'm really

32:35

worried that he's got to find, I

32:38

think if he were to be acquitted in this

32:40

first one, it would be such

32:42

a shock to the other prosecutions

32:44

that it would really kind

32:46

of reveal that they're all

32:48

of the same caliber. It's very important in

32:51

the first one that he get acquitted. Yes,

32:54

absolutely. I sort of

32:56

see their strategy, the Democrat strategy is

32:58

it's like, you know, in a bull

33:00

fight where you send in the picadors,

33:03

attack the bull with spears.

33:05

And so he's half dead by

33:07

the time the broken down old

33:09

matador comes out, finishes him off like

33:12

a hero. So that's because

33:14

Joe Biden is the most hopeless

33:16

candidate you could ever imagine. And

33:20

Pennsylvania is important to him. You just watch some

33:22

of the focus groups and people

33:24

are angry as you say about the

33:27

economy, about inflation, about

33:29

his life. They know his gaslighting

33:31

really annoys them, telling them, no,

33:34

no, I've brought down inflation when they

33:36

can see with their own eyes and

33:38

their own hip pockets that gas is up

33:40

and food is up. His

33:43

gaslighting and his lies, he's been shielded

33:46

from it all his life. But I

33:48

think now he's up on the big

33:50

stage. You can't really hide that you're

33:52

a congenital liar and that he's down.

33:55

He is. That's a good word because

33:57

that cannibal story. It

34:00

was everything about it. He he was

34:02

his uncle was flying a two inch

34:04

and not a one night and planes.

34:06

He was. He. Was crashed see

34:08

and he wasn't alone. There were four

34:10

people in there was no evidence he

34:12

was shot down. it was injure fail

34:14

much less would look at. The pilot

34:16

says as he wasn't and there were

34:19

not cannibals floating around the oceans. must

34:21

they were sharks I guess. but it

34:23

was all made up like everything eat

34:25

he says and up. Let me just.

34:27

we're going to take up a break

34:29

after. After we

34:31

get done with bus second and

34:33

will go in, there is a

34:36

bad one last question. What do

34:38

you think? The odds are that

34:40

he will make it to the

34:42

convention and be the nominee given

34:44

the seemingly geometric decline in his

34:46

cognitive abilities. Or if he's nominated

34:49

that he will be fully functional.

34:51

And then and by November. I

34:54

don't think she's as cognitively.

34:56

Sought as he sometimes. Appears some

34:59

and maybe that speaks as he

35:01

had ties. An and your this

35:04

and you know, holes in his

35:06

brain with eyes happened in they've

35:08

gotten progressively worse. But he

35:10

always seems to be able to pull it

35:12

out. Of sense you know, pull it off

35:15

the shelf. he still go to a device

35:17

on block and twenty twenty I think he's

35:19

a private and ran rings around at all.

35:21

Trump don't some wasn't expecting. That so I

35:23

think the biggest mistake republicans. Could make

35:25

is to underestimate him and and

35:27

you know there are lots of

35:30

videos going around. And republicans. The

35:32

Rnc has. A sense has dick

35:34

Twitter stream of it's ridiculous videos of

35:36

stripe odd looking like a fool and

35:38

it goes round the world and and

35:40

you know he looked terrible. Spot I

35:43

think when he's pumped. Up with enough

35:45

drugs, he has enough sleep. Miss a burger

35:47

Point Nights I have a democrat or republican

35:50

person call me before the second debate. and

35:53

i said first of all it's not going

35:55

to matter because fifty million people have already

35:57

voted and you guys waited too long and

35:59

And you should have negotiated them much earlier.

36:03

But he's been sleeping

36:05

for three days. He hadn't

36:07

been anywhere. And you know, I've seen

36:10

people, children on Adderall

36:12

are that type of upper. And

36:14

for brief periods, they're

36:17

very alert. They're very angry. I think

36:19

that explains a lot of the state

36:22

of the union. He seems

36:24

to get animated when he's rested for

36:27

brief for an hour or two hours. And

36:29

he really does hate the opposition more

36:31

than he does the Iranians or the

36:34

Russians, because he never

36:36

uses vocabulary of

36:38

Russia or the Houthis or any.

36:40

Nobody animates him like Trump and

36:42

Trump supporters. And

36:45

they do underestimate him, at least for

36:48

brief periods. And he

36:50

rises or falls. That state of the union

36:52

was just an angry, furious,

36:54

pumped up rant. And

36:57

the purpose was to make him look

36:59

muscular and vital, even if he

37:01

was full of hate and kind

37:03

of incoherent. You're right.

37:05

They do it. So you think he's

37:07

going to make it through the convention and he'll go all

37:10

the way to November. And if he does have a cognitive

37:12

implosion, it'll be after he's elected.

37:15

Yeah, I don't think physically or cognitively he's

37:17

going to collapse between now and then. I

37:19

mean, they may decide that he's doing so

37:21

badly in the polls that they'll use that

37:23

as an excuse. And

37:25

that would give they would release a superdelegates

37:27

or his delegates and then they

37:30

could tell Kamala you it was a fair

37:32

convention vote. And we're sorry. We wish you

37:34

had won and you're not the nominee. Yeah,

37:36

yeah. Well, you know, it's they

37:39

always talk about it, Trump being an existential threat.

37:42

But there are a lot of people who do

37:44

believe it and particularly the

37:46

deep spaces. They can't abide Trump

37:48

and they will not allow him to take

37:51

control of foreign policy again, because it's

37:53

such anathema to everything that they believe

37:55

in. It is. Yeah, I'm

37:57

worried because it seems. I

38:00

can't be too candid here because I know

38:02

a lot of them, but I'm very worried

38:04

about the three to four

38:07

star general active and retired class of

38:09

the Pentagon. I've never seen

38:11

such unanimity in their hatred of him.

38:15

The Pentagon really hates him. You saw that

38:17

with the retired generals that kept coming

38:19

out in 2020, kind of violating uniform

38:22

code of military justice by attacking

38:25

and disparaging their commander-in-chief. What Mark

38:27

Milley did with the Chinese

38:29

counterpart. We're going to

38:32

take a break and we'll be right

38:34

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41:32

were told that when

41:34

Iran wanted

41:36

to reply to the Israeli

41:38

hit on the Republican Guard

41:41

Corps in Damascus, that through

41:43

a Turkish intermediary, as I follow it,

41:48

our government translated

41:50

or transmitted to the Turks.

41:53

That it wouldn't object or it would

41:55

be tolerable if it was within limits

41:58

and I guess What limits

42:00

was one dead Jewish Israeli

42:02

citizen for each? I

42:05

don't know what it was, but it was controlled. And

42:08

now we have, I guess there were suggestions

42:10

that the Israelis were told that

42:12

they could retaliate within limits. It seems

42:14

almost, I don't know what

42:17

the word is, it's affirmative action war, that

42:19

we take the stronger power and

42:21

we try to suppress it and say that it's

42:23

not going to be disproportionate. And

42:26

then we're trying to manage it. And

42:28

we say, well, we, it's almost

42:30

like we're saying that the Iranian military capability

42:32

is that they don't have the same high

42:35

SAT score as the Israelis.

42:37

So we're going to still let them

42:39

participate. It's affirmative action war. It's not

42:41

going to work, not with

42:43

the Iranians. No. No,

42:46

the peculiar fondness

42:50

that the Obama Biden

42:52

people have for Iran is

42:56

really curious. I mean, and Anthony

42:58

Blinken is part of this, the

43:00

Secretary of State, who his childhood

43:02

friend Robert Malley was in charge

43:04

of the original Iran deal

43:06

and which

43:09

was reanimated by Joe Biden after

43:11

Donald Trump ditched it. And

43:13

Robert Malley was put in charge

43:16

again. And then mysteriously he gets

43:18

suspended and there's an inquiry

43:20

into him and his security clearance

43:24

is taken away from him. And now

43:26

we hear the FBI is investigating

43:29

him for mishandling of classified

43:31

information. Meanwhile he gets

43:33

picked up by Princeton University. I mean, this

43:35

is scandalous. We don't hear anything about it.

43:38

The media doesn't talk about it. And

43:40

his protege, a woman he brought

43:43

in called Ariana. Yes. I

43:45

think I'm not pronouncing her name. She's still at

43:47

work, isn't she? She's working

43:49

at the Pentagon. Pentagon, yeah. She

43:52

would have been right in there when the

43:56

Iranian missiles were raining down on

43:58

Israel. And so. Remember

44:00

Joe Biden when Putin was

44:03

saber-attling about invading Ukraine just before he

44:05

did in 2022? Biden

44:08

said, oh,

44:10

just as long as you don't do too

44:12

much. I can't remember. Minor. Yeah.

44:16

Yeah. Yeah. And he

44:18

said the same thing to Putin about the

44:21

cyber attacks. He said, you know, if you're

44:23

going to do it, do it, keep hospitals

44:25

and things like that. Yeah. So

44:27

he does try to it's

44:29

kind of like he tries to manage it, although there's

44:32

a very different vocabulary with Ukraine

44:35

and Gaza. Gaza. Ukraine's

44:38

got to be disproportionate to win

44:41

and they can

44:43

cancel elections in a way that you all could

44:45

never do. And

44:48

I support arming Ukraine, but

44:52

we're not worried about collateral damage on the part

44:54

of Ukraine like we are Israel. And

44:57

we want them to be disproportionate. And we think

44:59

that's the only way you're going to get solutions

45:01

out is to be try to be disproportionate where

45:03

we tell the Israelis you're too

45:06

disproportionate. And both of them are

45:08

a crack at peace. So you would

45:10

think that we would just have the same attitude.

45:13

And I know that people think, well, Israel

45:15

is a super dog, but in the wider

45:18

Middle East of 500 million Muslims, it's the

45:20

underdog. I don't quite understand

45:22

the disparate attitude that we

45:24

use to restrain Israel, but we want

45:30

to liberate Ukraine in some way. I

45:35

guess I don't understand. Maybe

45:37

you can enlighten me or the audience. Why

45:41

does this administration or Biden seem

45:44

to be, I agree

45:46

with him about Putin. He's a demonic

45:48

character, but why can't they apply the

45:50

same condemnation toward Hamas as

45:52

they do the Russians? Well,

45:55

I can only assume that it's

45:57

partly domestic policy because so much.

46:00

of their base is, you know,

46:02

Hamas lovers and particularly in Michigan,

46:04

which is a crucial state for

46:06

him. And look,

46:11

there's also the Netanyahu factor.

46:14

You know, I don't know whether it's true

46:16

or not, but that, you know,

46:19

there was somehow American meddling in

46:21

the trying to do a color

46:23

revolution. Court, they

46:25

hate, you know, Joe Biden gets

46:27

terribly animated about these autocrats. He

46:30

calls them around the world, whether

46:32

it's Victor Orban or Netanyahu, who

46:34

he puts in the same bucket

46:37

as Trump. So this

46:39

is sort of Joe Biden's unsophisticated view

46:41

of global politics is that there are

46:44

bad guys who are autocrats and that's

46:46

Trump and his ilk and Netanyahu is

46:48

part of that. So and,

46:52

and, you know, I think he's a pretty basic person,

46:55

certainly intellectually Joe Biden.

46:57

And and I think

46:59

also he just this is the way

47:01

he brought up his children, not

47:04

not really with a firm hand, but

47:06

with a lot of false

47:08

promises and, you

47:12

know, I don't know, smoke and mirrors. I

47:14

don't think you really know what what

47:16

Joe Biden believes, because he

47:18

just believes what he's

47:21

told to believe. And he has some

47:23

very basic instincts about

47:25

who he hates and who he loves and

47:27

who he loves as

47:29

himself and his immediate family. And

47:32

so I think the people around him who manage

47:35

him appeal to

47:37

those instincts and therefore

47:39

with with Israel,

47:42

what they want, they

47:44

get by animating him against Netanyahu

47:47

and what they want in in Russia,

47:49

in Ukraine, they get by animating

47:52

him against Putin. That's

47:54

a good point. I know that Zelensky

47:57

cancelled the opposition parties and

48:00

And I can understand why he did it, but although Churchill

48:03

and Roosevelt didn't do it in World War II, but

48:05

that would have been just inconceivable in

48:08

Israel. I mean, Israel brought in a

48:11

war cabinet of two members of

48:13

the opposition. And

48:17

there's something there that I can't quite

48:20

fathom, and

48:24

it's almost inexplicable. Let me ask you a question

48:26

about the protests, because there are a lot of

48:28

them are going on in New York. I

48:32

don't quite understand this mentality. I understand, but

48:34

I want maybe I could ask your take on

48:36

it. This cry

48:39

baby, Hamas mentality, where you

48:41

have all these young people,

48:43

both Americans and foreign students,

48:46

they shut down the Manhattan Ridge, they shut down the

48:48

Bay Bridge, they shut down the Golden Gate Bridge. They

48:50

chased students, Jewish students into Cooper

48:53

Union. They defaced the

48:57

Veterans Cemetery in Los Angeles. Anything

49:00

disrupts St. Patrick's on Easter.

49:03

So they're sort of they

49:05

see themselves as glorious 1968

49:07

European revolutionaries or Bolsheviks. And

49:10

then when there's a

49:12

tiniest bit of accountability at Vanderbilt,

49:16

the woman says, well, you can't do this. She

49:19

needs to change her tampon in the

49:21

bathroom. Or out here in Bakersfield,

49:23

we have this Patel person. She

49:25

goes before the Baker City.

49:29

It's about a hour from where

49:31

I'm speaking. Apparently, she thinks it's

49:33

something like Yale University. So she

49:35

insults all of the members of

49:37

the city council, then she gets this Parthen shot

49:39

where she says, and by the way, you should

49:41

all be guillotined, and we're going to

49:44

come to your house and murder you. And

49:46

then two days later, she goes to court, and

49:48

they charge her with 18 felony counts.

49:52

And she starts crying. She just breaks

49:54

into sobs. This person was yelling and

49:56

screaming. And

49:59

I was watching. the people at

50:01

Pomona College, I was watching the

50:03

people that Columbia, they're almost

50:05

like hot house plants. They're

50:07

so tough and bully but they're

50:09

actually really cowardly or is

50:11

it that they're upper middle class kids that

50:15

are on this curses the norm and they're

50:17

afraid their parents will get angry, they won't

50:19

get a job on Wall Street or a

50:21

university? What is it? They're almost schizophrenic and

50:23

the same thing is true of the Middle

50:25

East students. If they come from the

50:27

middle, are they afraid that they'll have to go back

50:29

to Gaza or what? Or they'll lose

50:31

their Saudi oil money but they're

50:33

a very strange bunch of

50:36

revolutionaries. Well,

50:38

I think wherever they're from, whether they're

50:40

from the Middle East or you know

50:42

America or Australia or England, they're all

50:44

from the same class. They

50:46

have more in common with each other

50:48

than they do with the average person

50:51

in their own country and

50:54

they're spoiled entitled brats

50:56

who've been brought up by people that

50:58

may be one or two kids in the

51:01

family and they have

51:04

had privileges beyond belief and they've gone

51:06

to the best schools and they've always

51:08

expected that they will and their parents

51:10

have pandered to them and

51:12

looked after their neuroses

51:15

and there's never really been any accountability

51:17

and that woman Patel is a perfect

51:19

example. There she is in court, a

51:21

quivering mess, you know, you feel sorry

51:23

for her, the poor thing and yet

51:26

she was just a monster when she

51:28

was standing out in front of

51:30

the court and through history you

51:33

look. In Rwanda, some of the

51:35

most vicious genocidal

51:38

maniacs were women.

51:41

They

51:44

can be incredibly cruel

51:46

and vindictive because if people

51:48

have never lived in the

51:50

real world, in the real physical

51:52

world, they've never seen an

51:55

animal killed or they might

51:57

be vegetarians because they can't bear the cruelty

51:59

to animals. is they don't

52:01

understand the impact of cruelty or death and

52:03

life and what happens when you cut

52:06

a tree down and it might hit

52:08

you. They don't understand those consequences of

52:10

the physical world and so

52:12

nothing means anything to

52:14

them and they never understand that there are

52:16

consequences because in their kind

52:19

of virtual life, there never have been

52:21

consequences. There's never been punishment. They've always

52:23

gotten away with it. They've always had

52:26

their mistakes glossed over. They've never

52:28

learned from their mistakes. It's

52:31

funny, you know, when I

52:33

was a student, this was going on although

52:36

I must give credit to

52:40

the radical 60s generation. They

52:43

were a lot grunge-er and they

52:45

were sort of dropout. They weren't like

52:47

the Harvard students right after October 7th. Remember when

52:49

Wall Street people said I want their names, I don't

52:52

want to hire them and they all

52:54

fell down and cried and said this is so unfair,

52:56

I can't get a job in Wall Street. But

53:00

at least these guys didn't sell out

53:02

until they were in their 30s and

53:04

they were grungy and they

53:06

were maoas and they went

53:08

to jail and that

53:10

baby boomer generation had

53:14

to deal with the greatest generation that ran

53:16

the courts and they were pretty tough and

53:19

they got felony conviction. But

53:22

this, I've noticed what

53:24

I'm trying to say is the president of

53:26

Pomona or Vanderbilt, when

53:28

you just see a glimmer a little bit,

53:31

it reminds me so much of the

53:34

60s when there was this crazy linguistics

53:36

professor, very well-known widely published name, S.I.

53:38

Hyatt Cowell, I don't know if you

53:40

remember him and he was at San

53:42

Francisco State and they

53:44

made him intern. He was this cranky

53:46

conservative on the Faculty Senate and San

53:48

Francisco State was out of control. They

53:51

make him interim president and he goes out

53:54

and they're all screaming and yelling and there's

53:56

a rule you can't use amplified sound.

54:00

So he just as a little he's

54:03

a second generation Japanese-American pair. He had

54:05

been in the camps at

54:08

Manzizar and he quietly goes over with

54:10

scissors and cuts all of the cords.

54:12

Oh, I love it. And then they

54:15

ask him and he talks

54:17

like a linguist and I am now

54:19

the president and so I'm following protocol

54:21

and this was illegal so it will

54:23

be punished. And then they said, well,

54:25

what are you going to do the students that

54:28

are mobbing here? Well, they will be

54:31

suspended and that will be the beginning

54:33

not the end of their travails. They

54:35

will be arrested and they will be

54:37

incarcerated. He

54:39

had this little camera,

54:41

whatever you call it, it was like a

54:43

beret and it became famous. Everybody started wearing

54:45

them and then they elected. He was seven

54:47

in his seventies and they elected him to

54:50

the California Senate for

54:52

six years. He slept through most

54:54

of the proceedings but he

54:56

became a folk hero and then almost

54:59

immediately there was John Silver at Boston

55:01

and everybody was there. Everybody

55:04

wanted to be like S.I. Hayakawa and that

55:06

kind of crushed the whole, you

55:09

know, it's like Napoleon, you know, a whiff of

55:11

grape shot. You get the impression that if just

55:13

one or two people stayed at a college, they

55:15

would be folk heroes and

55:18

then this whole thing would collapse. It

55:20

seems to me it would. Yeah, wouldn't that

55:22

be wonderful? We need to buy Harakawa.

55:25

Yes, and maybe you could deport one or two

55:27

people too that were on the student visa. The

55:30

Columbia president, I mean, I

55:32

think she was at MIT. They said, well, all

55:34

these students have had no go

55:37

zones for Jewish students. Why

55:39

don't you expel them? And she said, well, if we

55:41

expel them, they would lose their student visas and they

55:43

might have to go back. Yes.

55:48

Yes. Any

55:51

final thoughts about before

55:54

we conclude about where it's all going to end in

55:56

the Middle East? has

56:00

no idea. I

56:02

just think that the sooner that

56:04

there is a change of government,

56:06

you know, for all the criticism

56:08

of Donald Trump, you look at

56:10

his foreign policy and you look

56:12

at the consequences, you look at

56:14

the Abraham Accords, which even the

56:17

Biden administration was sort of inching

56:19

towards emulating with

56:21

Saudi Arabia. And

56:23

I just think

56:25

the only thing everybody in the world, every bad

56:28

actor in the world looks at

56:30

America as weak and this is

56:32

their opportunity. So I don't

56:34

think that there is going to be peace until

56:38

Joe Biden is gone. You know, every

56:40

time he stumbles on the world stage,

56:42

he just projects American weakness. And I

56:44

don't know if people in America understand

56:46

how, what an impact he has.

56:48

I mean, the president doesn't really have

56:51

that much of an impact maybe because

56:53

your state or your local government has

56:55

more impact. But on the world stage,

56:57

that America is just seen

56:59

as, you know, the fall

57:01

of the Roman Empire. It's the end of America

57:04

because how on earth could

57:07

they elect someone like Joe Biden as

57:09

their president? And then, of course, Donald

57:11

Trump doesn't have that good a reputation

57:13

around the world either. And so, you

57:16

know, the fact that the next election

57:18

is two men, you

57:20

know, one who will be 82 and

57:22

one who's heading up to

57:24

80. That again is a very bad

57:27

projection of American strength. So I think

57:29

it's going to be a very dangerous

57:31

time ahead. But you would know much

57:33

more from your understanding of

57:36

history because it happens in cycles, doesn't

57:38

it? It does. Well, the

57:41

only redeeming feature of removing

57:43

Biden would be that it's

57:46

in geostrategic,

57:49

even nuclear poker unpredictability as an

57:51

asset. And when you look

57:53

at when Putin violated an international border, he

57:56

did it under George Bush and George and

57:58

Oceania, he did it. under Obama,

58:00

and he did it under Biden. He didn't do it

58:02

under Trump. And when

58:05

Trump, when Jake Sullivan said, I think in

58:07

that foreign affairs article, that the

58:10

Middle East portfolio was sort of boring, it

58:12

was so calm. What

58:14

he was really saying is that we

58:16

inherited the Houthis as

58:18

a terrorist organization designate.

58:21

And then we were out of the Iran

58:23

deal, and we were

58:25

kind of tough on Hezbollah. We

58:28

killed Soleimani. We

58:30

moved the embassy to Jerusalem. We said

58:33

the Golden Heights. And there was

58:35

no daylight between us and Israel, even

58:37

though, and there was nothing

58:39

like comparable the Afghanistan humiliation

58:42

or the Chinese balloon travesty.

58:45

So people, and then there was

58:47

my button is bigger than your button, North

58:49

Korea. So there was a sense that Donald

58:51

Trump was despised

58:53

abroad, but he was also

58:56

secretly, I don't want to

58:59

say admired, I don't know, you want to say

59:01

feared, but he was respected to somebody that if

59:03

you tried to do something to the United States,

59:05

you had no idea what he would do. And

59:08

even the critics that thought they

59:10

were going to convey to the world that

59:13

we were sober and judicious because there were

59:15

men like Mark Milley, and they

59:17

weren't all like Donald Trump. They had

59:19

the opposite effect. They

59:22

were basically saying to the world, we've got a

59:24

madman that we can't constrain. And

59:27

that actually helped deterrence. It was

59:29

like Nixon, Kissinger in his memoirs,

59:31

he has a great passage where Nixon

59:34

comes to him during the Christmas bombing of

59:36

72. And he says, I'm

59:38

going to be the madman, and you've got to restrain

59:40

me. And you're going to just

59:43

have to say that I rail, and I

59:45

scream and yell, and I just want to

59:47

keep bombing. So Kissinger goes over and he

59:49

tells the North Vietnamese and all of the

59:51

Russians, I can't constrain him. He's absolutely completely

59:53

nuts. He's walking around the White House corridors

59:55

at night, and he's capable of doing

59:57

anything. And it was all concocted.

1:00:00

But it did have

1:00:02

a temporary advantage. So, Phelan brings

1:00:04

that. He's

1:00:06

got an animal cunning that people

1:00:09

really underestimate about human nature. I

1:00:12

had a kind of a high ranking

1:00:14

foreign leader once said to me, no man

1:00:17

has done more, I

1:00:22

don't wanna give away anything, but it was

1:00:25

just a person who was prominent in political

1:00:27

affairs. And he was remarking

1:00:29

about Israel. He said, nobody has done

1:00:31

more for Israel and

1:00:33

known less about the Middle East than

1:00:36

Donald Trump. And he said, why is that?

1:00:39

And I said, well, I think if

1:00:41

you and I wanted to be a

1:00:43

real estate developer in Manhattan and deal

1:00:45

with unions, environmentalists and minorities and the

1:00:47

mayor and Walsh, I don't

1:00:49

think any of us could do it. Maybe

1:00:52

that's, I think that's what explains

1:00:54

his ability that he's

1:00:57

been in that arena so long in New

1:00:59

York. Absolutely, and he

1:01:01

told me an anecdote once, which I

1:01:03

haven't yet used, but it was brilliant.

1:01:07

I was trying to find out from him what

1:01:09

the nickname was that he had chosen

1:01:11

for Ron DeSantis because

1:01:14

he was very proud that he

1:01:16

managed not to divulge it. But

1:01:19

anyway, he said, I said, because that nickname

1:01:21

that you gave for Jeb Bush absolutely

1:01:23

killed him. So

1:01:25

he told the story of what happened. He

1:01:28

was in New York and he had a

1:01:30

Chinese guy that he said, and stiffed him,

1:01:32

he was quite honest with him, he stiffed

1:01:34

him on a deal. And he's sitting over

1:01:36

the board room in his office and they're

1:01:38

having breakfast. And he said, this Chinese gangster

1:01:40

is like shouting at him and he said

1:01:42

bits of scrambled eggs coming out of his

1:01:44

mouth. Spits, spits, spits. And the guy was

1:01:46

a killer. So this is

1:01:48

a pretty torrid time that

1:01:50

Donald Trump has. And he has to get on a

1:01:52

plane and fly out to a debate against Jeb Bush

1:01:54

and the others of them. And he said he was

1:01:57

just standing on stage. He just looks over at them

1:01:59

and he thinks. You know,

1:02:01

you guys are just such weak,

1:02:03

insipid people. And here I

1:02:05

am, you know, I've just come from battle with

1:02:07

this gangster. And so he just

1:02:10

said what he said. He said low energy jet

1:02:12

because he's not the spitting gangster

1:02:14

with the scrambled egg coming up

1:02:16

his mouth. Once you've

1:02:18

tackled that, these guys on

1:02:20

stage, these GOP milquetotes are

1:02:23

nothing. So I

1:02:25

think you're right. My

1:02:27

wife wasn't going, I

1:02:30

mean, she wasn't fond of

1:02:32

him and then she's now a big supporter of

1:02:34

him. But at the

1:02:36

initial point, she wasn't. And she said to me,

1:02:38

he was on stage and

1:02:42

she said to me, and why

1:02:45

does he have to say, little Marco?

1:02:48

And she burst out laughing. Why does he have to say that

1:02:50

she didn't want to? So she went through all lines. She

1:02:53

goes, and then he says, line

1:02:55

Ted Cruz. And there

1:02:58

was always an element that he had so exact

1:03:00

that there was that element there that resonated. And

1:03:02

so I said, well, if you hate

1:03:04

him so much, why are you burst out laughing when you're trying

1:03:06

to tell me I should hate him too? You

1:03:09

find it funny? And she said, I don't know what

1:03:11

it is, but it's childish,

1:03:13

but it works. You see, and

1:03:15

that I can't he understood

1:03:17

something about it. I mean, you

1:03:20

shouldn't have the president of the United States

1:03:22

calling people low energy, lying, little Marco, etc.

1:03:25

But there was something about it. As

1:03:27

well, like he's, you know, he gets from

1:03:29

New York, that kind of borscht belt humor,

1:03:32

which slaps it. It's hilarious.

1:03:35

It's brutal. But

1:03:37

everyone understands it. It is. But

1:03:41

the media and European urophiles in

1:03:43

America just deliberately refuse. They pretend

1:03:45

they don't understand, or maybe they

1:03:48

really don't have no sense of

1:03:50

humor. They

1:03:52

say now that he uses his humor as a

1:03:54

weapon. But I mean, he

1:03:56

is he does use humor as

1:03:59

a tool. And

1:04:01

I remember

1:04:03

that debate. I thought he was

1:04:06

going to win the nomination. I wrote about it when

1:04:08

he, I think it was the first or

1:04:10

second when Rand Paul, they

1:04:12

asked Rand Paul about the nexus

1:04:14

between money and politics. And

1:04:16

Rand Paul said, he pointed to Donald Trump and

1:04:19

he said, there it is. And basically

1:04:21

went on and Rand said,

1:04:25

he's right. He's come up to my

1:04:27

office and he's asked me for $10,000.

1:04:29

I gave it to him. He's been

1:04:31

very subservient and helpful ever since. And

1:04:34

nobody had ever done that before. And

1:04:39

when he got on stage and he said, yeah,

1:04:42

Russia, please, spy on your email. And he

1:04:46

turned that into the Russia hoax. And he did.

1:04:48

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