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The former White House press secretary, Carrie Brady,

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rose to NFL legend and seven times

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Super Bowl winner, Tom Brady, gets

1:03

hit by an A-list blitz at

1:05

a roast where nothing was out

1:07

of bounds. You have seven rings.

1:09

Well, eight. Now that Giselle gave

1:11

hers back, but... Then,

1:14

former White House press secretary, Jen

1:16

Psaki, is alive with her view

1:19

of whether her former boss, President

1:21

Biden, is sending the right messages

1:23

about the biggest issues that'll get

1:26

voters to the polls. Plus,

1:28

an all-new View Your

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1:34

come hot topics with

1:37

Whoopi, Sarah

1:40

Haynes, Anna

1:43

Navarro, Joy

1:46

Behar, Sunny

1:48

Hostin, and

1:50

Alyssa Farrah Griffin. Now,

1:54

let's get things started. rise

2:33

we are very happy to see you all very

2:35

happy to see you and we're gonna

2:37

tell you what's been going on in case you

2:39

missed it governor Kristi

2:42

Nome the

2:44

dog shooter spent

2:46

last week defending claims in

2:49

her upcoming book that she shot

2:51

and killed her puppy and yesterday

2:53

there were even more plot twists

2:56

when she appeared on Face the

2:58

Nation with Margaret Brennan take

3:00

a look did you meet

3:02

Kim Jong-un well you know as soon

3:04

as this was brought to my attention I certainly

3:08

made some changes and looked at this

3:10

this passage and I've met with many

3:12

many world leaders I've traveled around the

3:14

world as soon as it was brought

3:17

to my attention we went forward and

3:19

have made some edits so you did not

3:21

meet with Kim Jong-un that's what you're saying

3:23

I'm not going to talk about my specific

3:25

meetings with world leaders I'm just not going

3:27

to do that this anecdote shouldn't have been

3:29

in the book and as soon as it

3:31

was brought to my attention I made

3:33

sure that that was adjusted you made the

3:35

point to bring him up twice and

3:38

that he was a little tyrant you have

3:40

a quick infirmary Margaret yes I do South

3:43

Korea is a treaty ally North Korea

3:45

is a nuclear armed adversary so that's

3:47

a pretty low big thing to confuse

4:00

governors claiming that she's the

4:02

victim of a

4:04

lying, mainstream media

4:06

that's always twisting and

4:09

manipulating the truth. Now

4:12

you wrote the book. Right.

4:15

So are you manipulating and twisting

4:17

yourself? What is, I don't understand what she

4:19

said. When we think it was brought to

4:21

her attention, I'm like, did you not read

4:24

your book? Yes, like I don't understand why

4:26

that needed to happen, but the other thing

4:28

is, she talked about how the reason

4:30

she used that is to show you, you know, she

4:32

can do really hard things. Awful

4:36

things, but then she said that if she were

4:38

in the White House, she'd shoot

4:40

President Biden's dog too. So after a

4:42

week of saying, gosh, people really came

4:49

for me on this, she doubled down.

4:51

And like, there's a saying, like once you've found

4:53

you've dug yourself into a hole, just stop

4:55

digging and don't bury the dog there. Does

4:59

she not realize that the

5:02

dog probably wouldn't be there when

5:04

she gets there? I think she wants, I

5:06

don't, Biden also beholds the dog. I mean,

5:08

she's not getting there, but I think she

5:11

was also missing the

5:13

point that the Bidens did the right thing

5:15

because they did have a dog that was biting

5:17

certain secret service members and just, it wasn't

5:19

the White House. It's a very busy place. It

5:21

wasn't a good place for the dog. So they

5:23

rehomed their dog. They didn't shoot their dog. So

5:27

that's one thing. The

5:29

other thing that I thought that she was a

5:31

victim of was really good journalists because

5:33

she was, her feet were held to the

5:35

fire and that's what journalists do. So yes,

5:37

you're gonna get a follow up if you're

5:40

dodging, if you're filibustering, you're gonna get the

5:42

follow up. Who did you mean? Which Korea,

5:44

South or North? And she didn't seem to

5:46

be able to answer that either. I mean,

5:48

what's so, Margaret Brennan does not play. Like

5:50

why she even thought this was a good

5:53

idea was bizarre to me, but it's, she

5:55

comes off unhinged at this point, Kristina, because

5:57

on top of this, her saying

5:59

she would kill committed. and the White House, she

6:01

then says, say hello to Cricket for me.

6:03

Cricket is her dog that she put down.

6:05

How cruel is that? But also, the North

6:07

Korea lie is just so easily provable. We

6:09

don't have diplomatic relations with North Korea. It

6:11

was a breaking of historic norms when President

6:13

Trump met with him. There would be so

6:16

much documentation of this meeting. There would be

6:18

so much press of this meeting.

6:20

There'd be press around it, and she thought she

6:22

was just gonna be able to get away and

6:24

lie about it. I just, you know, this Cruella

6:26

Denome keeps digging herself

6:28

into a bigger and bigger hole. And I

6:30

was just, you know, I look,

6:32

first of all, why do people write books like

6:34

this? Because she's auditioning, she's hoping to be Vice

6:36

President, so she's trying to get her bio out

6:38

there. That's also probably why she got new

6:41

fake teeth for free in

6:43

Texas. But she's

6:45

putting this out there to

6:48

make herself more sellable as

6:50

a Vice President. And I

6:52

don't understand how in the

6:54

world you confuse meeting Kim Jong Un

6:57

with what? I mean, does she think

6:59

all Koreans look alike? Did she watch

7:01

a video of Psy singing Gangnam Time

7:03

and think it was Kim

7:05

Jong Un? I don't understand how you

7:07

make that kind of stupid lie.

7:10

She also said after that, which I don't have

7:12

the exact line, she said, I knew how to

7:14

handle him because I used to be a youth

7:16

pastor. That was some time to unpack. Wait,

7:19

what? That was very short. This is what kind of

7:21

church were you at? She's a

7:24

dictator of a nuclear army. She's

7:26

in the church of Latter-day Life.

7:28

Yeah, that's exactly right.

7:31

Latter-day Life. You know

7:33

what, and I think you're right,

7:35

Anna, I think the reason that she's doing all of

7:37

this is because she wants to be the Vice Presidential

7:39

pick. What's interesting is she gave

7:41

a 30-minute speech at Mar-a-Lago, was it?

7:43

Just this weekend at sort of almost

7:45

like a, I don't know, an auditioning

7:47

show for Vice President. And she

7:50

wasn't in any of the pictures. And

7:52

it's been reported, as I predicted, that even Donald Trump

7:54

thinks it's weird that she killed her puppy. When Donald

7:56

Trump, it's like, ooh, that's not really palatable. You might've

7:58

gone a bridge too far. He brought all

8:00

of his guests on stage except for the puppy

8:02

killer. I think we have that picture, right, of

8:05

all the guests? Yeah. So,

8:07

the guy, you guys, so I had to enlarge this

8:11

and look at this real close. The guy

8:13

at the far end of the stage is

8:15

Blago. Is Blago.

8:18

That convicted felon for one Democratic

8:20

governor from Illinois who tried to

8:22

sell. Why is he there? Barack

8:24

Obama's senate seat and that's why

8:27

he went to jail. Oh

8:29

my gosh. Is he part of the audition? I

8:32

mean, that's like really hitting the bottom

8:34

of the barrel. I thought maybe he

8:36

was there to teach, you know like that Kevin Hart

8:38

movie, to teach Will Ferrell

8:40

how to be in prison. I thought

8:42

maybe that was Blago's role there.

8:44

Well, there's more, you know, there's

8:47

another Republican vice presidential hopeful, Senator

8:50

Tim Scott, who seems

8:52

to be echoing you know whose script

8:55

about election results. Take a look. Senator,

8:57

will you commit to accepting the election

8:59

results of 2024, bottom line? At

9:04

the end of the day, the

9:06

47th president of the United States will be president

9:08

Donald Trump. Yes or no, will you accept

9:10

the election results of 2024 no

9:13

matter who wins? That

9:16

is my statement. Just

9:19

yes or no. Will you accept the election results of 2024?

9:23

I look forward to President Trump being the

9:25

47th president. And Kristen, you could ask him

9:28

multiple times. Senator, just a yes or no

9:30

answer. So the American people, the

9:32

American people will make the decision. But I

9:34

don't hear you committing. For President Trump, that's

9:36

a clear. She looks stunned.

9:39

She looks stunned by his, I

9:41

mean, you know what I kept on thinking would be, what

9:44

does that make you if you are

9:47

groveling to a man who is morally

9:49

bankrupt? Like he's groveling for that position

9:51

to a man who is morally Bankrupt

9:54

with no moral compass. And You can't answer the

9:56

question that, no, I would uphold the Constitution. Well,

9:59

I Don't know why. The struggle to much it's

10:01

not the party of consistency right now. He

10:03

could just say sure, Yeah, I mean we're

10:05

not. I'm not. I do it. Why that's

10:07

I'm Brandy the zebra makes right now feel

10:09

like the apprentice. But to prove how does

10:11

the unprincipled and willing to grovel you are?

10:13

But what makes me sad as. He.

10:15

Is a fairly young person, at least the phonic fairly

10:17

young Chrissy Know do they realize that there's going to

10:19

be a world in which Donald Trump is not the

10:22

center of the Republican universe and you could just stand

10:24

by your principles and wait it out for you can

10:26

say things you believe in a not have to do

10:28

not hold faith library for get a job. As

10:34

Donald Trump has done, he's really

10:36

done such harm long term harm

10:39

to the Republican party because he's

10:41

ruined this entire class of younger.

10:43

Republic is I mean Tim Scott.

10:45

I I. I also feel like vicarious embarrassment

10:48

for him. I do it because I think

10:50

he was a guy who had such potential

10:52

and to see him lower himself to this

10:54

level. Frankly, he should have just said look,

10:56

I'm to up under one roof and kill

10:58

dogs. Leave me

11:00

alone. but if you're capable of getting to

11:03

this level, it was always in you so

11:05

I don't know I ruined them or he

11:07

brought it out of them. And maybe it's

11:09

better than rolling kind of set aside. Yep

11:11

and let a new group com India will.

11:13

Everybody's when complain there hasn't. Been enough information

11:15

out there are. I guess we'll

11:17

get lots of information now you

11:19

know? But it's so sad. you

11:21

know cause as you write a

11:23

book. You. Say what you

11:25

say and then you don't read

11:27

your book. When she had to

11:29

return to see See Rider, oh

11:32

well, maybe that so no Sudan.

11:34

Ah listen, this all

11:37

parties become just the

11:39

party of of snowflakes.

11:42

As he said, you.

11:44

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11:46

There's no possibility of things getting better.

11:48

This is it possible that it seems

11:50

to be the belief system. Now that

11:52

we sit all say said it's over,

11:55

It is not over. It ain't over

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back. So,

15:14

apparently the stars came out

15:17

last night to roast legendary

15:19

seven-time Super Bowl champion Tom

15:21

Brady on Netflix. Take

15:23

a look. A man who has

15:25

so many rings he could melt them down

15:27

and forge a sword to go on a

15:29

quest to get Giselle back from that two-jitsu

15:32

teacher. I hate

15:34

karate craft today. It's just been

15:36

a white belt. She's still a white

15:38

belt. Five-time Super Bowl

15:41

MVP. Most career wins.

15:44

Most career takes place. You have

15:46

seven rings. Well, eight now that

15:49

Giselle gave her back. It's hard for me to

15:51

watch people roast you, but I think

15:53

enough of my family members have helped defend

15:56

former football players. He

16:00

was a good sport. Could

16:05

you find a way to laugh at personal

16:07

matters like that? Well,

16:10

if I were getting paid, what he

16:12

was probably getting paid, he was an executive producer.

16:14

I'd laugh at all sorts of things, but I

16:16

think the person who wasn't getting paid and

16:19

ended up being part of this rose was

16:21

Gissel. Yeah. And I think that's a really

16:23

kind of bad, lame thing to

16:25

do to your ex-wife and mother of

16:28

your children. And I saw

16:30

particularly back, Gissel lives in Miami, right?

16:32

She lives in Surfside in

16:34

South Florida. And just the other day, she

16:36

got stopped because of a traffic

16:38

issue because she was running away from paparazzi. And she

16:41

broke down. I think we have the video. Don't

16:44

be too sexy. She's a little lucky. I

16:46

didn't believe my life. I

16:48

can't prevent them from doing their job,

16:50

which is to take pictures. She

16:53

wants to live her life. She's got

16:55

a new cookbook. She's out there right

16:57

now trying to raise funds for Rio

16:59

Grande Dusul in Brazil, which is where

17:02

over 75 people have died recently from

17:04

floods. Leave Gissel the hell alone. Go

17:06

make your money out there. Really, I

17:09

thought that was really catchy. I have

17:11

like a pretty high bar for like, I like

17:13

a roast. This bordered on me. And my mom texted,

17:15

and was like, are you watching this? And I was

17:18

at night tuned in. And I think we have a

17:20

clip. The crowd booed Kim Kardashian. Sorry.

17:32

What did she say? This was before she said anything. Just when

17:34

she went up. So I was like, is it a crowd of,

17:36

is it a crowd of, what's going on? But

17:38

it's all a little verging on me and

17:40

spirited. Roasts are so extreme. If you're inviting

17:42

me to roast, there better be meat involved

17:44

because I don't do this thing. I

17:47

would be fetal in the corner for someone else. Not

17:49

even myself. Me too. It's so

17:51

uncomfortable. I want to laugh when everyone in the room

17:53

is kind of throwing their head back and laughing. That's

17:55

someone's expense. And Giselle came to mind a lot for

17:57

me because I thought they're going through all this. was

18:00

just here at her show and to hear

18:02

those jokes about you, she's

18:04

gonna hear them, you can't dodge it.

18:06

In Spanish and in Portuguese, she's Portuguese,

18:08

she's Brazilian, there's not even a word

18:10

for roast. The only things we roast

18:13

are pigs and racks of

18:15

lamb. I knew I liked you. I know,

18:17

I gotta agree. I love

18:19

comedy and I like to laugh, but

18:21

not at people's expense. I don't know,

18:24

for me that makes me uncomfortable. Teasing

18:27

is fine, you play the dozens with your

18:29

friends and stuff like that. It

18:32

felt mean, it felt mean. I

18:35

think if you agree to executive produce your own roast

18:37

and you're making money from it and you agree to

18:40

it, that's one thing, but it is another thing. He

18:42

should give the audience. He should give the audience. You

18:44

know the divorce now, but he should give Giselle the

18:46

half. Yeah. Well, and we should say, I

18:48

don't know that Tom Brady would have known there were Giselle jokes

18:50

because I think it was made at his expense, but I see

18:52

the point that it's like, she was the butt of a lot

18:54

of the jokes and not the one big thing. Even people in

18:56

the audience. Robert Craft was the owner

18:58

of the Patriots, was some of

19:01

the jokes. He got up at some

19:03

point, Tom Brady, to tell the Roastmaster

19:05

to knock it off when it came

19:07

to Robert Craft. So he wanted to

19:09

be knocked off when it comes to Robert Craft,

19:11

but not to Giselle? Yeah.

19:14

No me gusta. I didn't like

19:16

it. We'll be right back. Mm-hmm.

19:19

Okay. Yes!

19:28

Welcome back. Jen Psaki has been

19:30

very busy since Stefan Downes, President

19:32

Biden's press secretary, hosting her own

19:35

show on Amazon, BC, and now

19:37

helping readers find their

19:39

own voice in her new

19:41

book, Say More. Lessons from

19:43

work, the White House, and

19:46

the world. Please welcome to the

19:48

Hot Topics table, Jen Psaki! Oh!

19:51

Thank you! I'm

19:54

so excited to be here. I just like love

19:56

the vow of the video. It's these

19:58

amazing ladies who are- We're talking about big

20:00

issues. It's great to be here. Thank you. It's wonderful

20:02

to have you. Yeah, you can give her that. Yeah. Yeah.

20:06

So we got so much to ask you about, but first

20:08

I wanted to know, as someone who's had

20:10

cleaned up a whole lot of political

20:12

mess. Oh, I have to feel. Over,

20:14

you know, in your career, have you

20:16

ever seen anything as bizarre

20:19

as Kristi Nome? Come on. Well,

20:21

would be, I've never worked for somebody who's shot their

20:24

puppy in the face. Okay. So I'll

20:26

start there. I've also never worked for somebody

20:28

who's lied about a foreign leader they've met

20:30

with. And Alyssa made this point. This is

20:32

so true. Meeting with Kim Jong

20:34

Un, there are a handful of people

20:36

who have ever done this. It's very

20:38

knowable. And also, Sarah, you made this point.

20:40

I'm just echoing all of you here.

20:43

I just wrote a book. You write your book. We'll

20:45

be just writing a book. The book's coming out tomorrow,

20:48

same day. Congratulations. It's great. I've been

20:50

reading it. But you

20:52

read the book a thousand times. So many times.

20:55

You read it out loud. When you're doing the

20:57

audio book, you think, oh, you

20:59

need a comma there. That weird word is strange.

21:01

When she said, and I met with Kim Jong

21:03

Un, did she say, think to herself, I

21:05

didn't meet with Kim Jong Un. So

21:08

to me, I've done lots of cleanup. Alyssa's done

21:10

lots of cleanup. Not quite this kind of cleanup.

21:13

Maybe she read it to herself and said, psych.

21:16

Right? Just for us to say. Jen,

21:19

I wanna ask you, cause you've been obviously

21:21

covering Trump's Hush Money trial for MSNBC. And

21:23

I didn't realize this. You and I both know Hope Hicks.

21:26

And so she had this kind of block. You

21:28

probably know her better than I do. Yes, and in a

21:30

different capacity than you do. But her testimony was pretty

21:32

blockbuster that we heard on Friday. What was

21:35

your takeaway? And tell me about your experience

21:37

with her. Well, I thought it

21:39

was blockbuster because she was, and Sunny's

21:41

the actual lawyer here. So she thought

21:43

it was block buster. It was juicy.

21:46

Because she basically conveyed to

21:49

the jury, this was

21:51

his motivation. He knew that he wanted

21:53

to influence the outcome of the election.

21:55

The intent was right there. The intent,

21:57

and that is so key here. And

22:00

it also was incredibly close to former

22:02

President Trump. And I've met

22:04

her only once when she came to the

22:06

White House with then-President-elect Trump

22:08

and Jared Kushner two days after the

22:10

election. We were a little shell-shocked in

22:12

this moment, I will just admit. But

22:15

we wanted to. President Obama told us, like, you've got

22:17

to be graceful. This is the transfer of power, the

22:19

transition of power. We had been treated with tremendous grace

22:21

by the Bush team, and we wanted to do the

22:24

same thing. And I met with her, and I said,

22:26

do you have any questions? What can

22:28

I help you with? And her main

22:30

question was, how did you get President

22:32

Obama to approve every statement? And

22:34

I said, we don't. I mean, if it's National Pancake

22:37

Day, we just put out the statement, right? If

22:39

it's a tough issue, we discuss it with him.

22:41

And she said, President, he's going

22:43

to want to, Mr. Trump is going to want

22:45

to approve everything. And at the moment,

22:47

I thought, that's weird. And also, you're

22:49

never going to be able to do that. But

22:53

it's watching her on Friday. I was just

22:55

reflecting on that moment, because it does tell

22:57

you how engaged, if he's engaged in the

23:00

little things, approving a Pancake Day statement, which

23:02

literally there may be one from the White

23:04

House. Of course, he's involved in the big

23:06

thing. And that I

23:09

remembered that story quite well in that moment. Yeah,

23:11

very interesting. Something. Well, the other

23:13

story dominating the news cycle, of course, are

23:15

the protests over the Israel-Hamas war that

23:18

have been taking place on college campuses

23:20

nationwide. Bernie Sanders over

23:22

the weekend said this may be

23:24

President Biden's Vietnam. How

23:26

much of a hazard is this issue for

23:28

Biden in terms

23:30

of his reelection chances? Well, let

23:32

me first say, I mean, I spent a lot

23:34

of time in other countries, not North Korea, but

23:37

where a peaceful protest is not allowed. And

23:40

it is allowed in this country. And that is

23:42

a tremendous, amazing thing. And I was very pleased

23:44

to see the president go out and make a

23:46

statement to convey that on Thursday. I

23:48

think we don't know the political impact

23:50

at this point. What we're seeing is

23:52

students who are the most of these

23:54

protests are peaceful. There are some cases

23:56

where they are not. There are cases

23:59

of anti-Semitism. cases where people are

24:01

screaming things like from the river to the

24:03

sea, perhaps because they're not informed about how

24:05

offensive that statement is. They're

24:07

not all monolithic. The

24:09

political impact, I think we don't know yet, Sunny.

24:11

And what I will say, though, is if you're

24:13

sitting on the campaign, you're very mindful of this.

24:16

You see the passion of these students. You also, though, look

24:18

at things like there was a Harvard University

24:20

poll recently, which actually I was quite surprised

24:22

by. Because the number

24:24

one issue for young people was the

24:26

economy and housing and the cost of

24:29

living. And if you're in

24:31

the campaign, you have to he's president. He should

24:33

speak to it. He's speaking at Morehouse. I think

24:35

that's the right choice. But you also

24:37

have to be mindful of what is on the minds

24:39

of young people. And it is the

24:41

cost of living, entering the working world, how it's

24:43

so hard to rent an apartment, young voters, young

24:46

voters. And I think they're thinking quite a bit

24:48

about that. But but

24:50

it has to be front and center

24:52

for you on a campaign. Well, in

24:54

addition to young people, polls are also

24:56

showing President Biden with softer support from

24:59

African-Americans and Latino voters compared to

25:01

2020. That's

25:03

despite Trump pledging to round

25:05

up 11 million undocumented immigrants and

25:08

seeming to be more worried

25:10

about anti-white discrimination than any

25:13

other racism. So you've

25:15

worked in campaigns and administrations that had Latino and

25:17

African-American support. What do you think Biden should be

25:19

doing right now? I mean, first of all, some

25:22

of these things bend your mind. So let me

25:24

just acknowledge that. I mean, as it bends my

25:26

mind sometimes that more white women voted for Trump

25:28

than Biden. It's like, come on, people, what are

25:30

we doing out here? There's a lot at stake.

25:33

I will say, Anna, that this is one of

25:35

the topics I think that's probably front and center for the

25:37

campaign, because they are very they

25:39

know that young

25:42

voters, also voters of color could stay home. They may

25:44

not go out and vote for Trump, but they may

25:46

not come out and vote for Biden. And

25:48

if you're on the campaign, what you have to do

25:51

and they're focused on doing what they need to do

25:53

more of is make the choice very clear. Is

25:55

Joe Biden perfect? No, he's not perfect. Right.

25:58

Of course he's not. No,

26:00

he hasn't. But he's got to

26:02

convince people he's going to be the

26:04

one fighting for them, and the other

26:06

guy is fighting for himself, pretty much.

26:09

That's the message. Has it worked effectively

26:11

entirely yet? No. They've got

26:14

a lot of work to do. Why is there

26:16

a divide? I don't know the answer to that

26:18

question, because, and I think part of it is

26:20

that the choice is not quite clear yet between

26:22

the candidates and the stakes needs to, people need

26:24

to be reminded of the stakes of the, we

26:26

all talk about politics all the time. You all

26:28

do. It's not front and center yet

26:30

for people. It will be in the coming

26:32

months. No, and the Biden administration has undeniably

26:34

accomplished a lot in the last three years,

26:36

when you look at employment numbers, infrastructure, gun

26:39

reform, even things like bringing down

26:41

drug prices, going after junk fees.

26:44

But in the polls, with inflation, the

26:46

protests, the age issue, all of the

26:49

things, we're seeing a more, a closer

26:51

race than you'd expect. Is

26:53

there something here that could be done

26:55

in messaging? What is the disconnect from

26:58

that information and the way it's landing

27:00

or not? Well, one of the challenges, and

27:02

I will say people don't always recognize us

27:04

in government, as Alyssa knows, everybody in government,

27:07

they love data and spreadsheets and

27:09

pages and reams of

27:11

bureaucratic talking points. People

27:13

don't make decisions by you telling them

27:15

how they should feel about the economy.

27:17

They make decisions about how they feel

27:19

and how they feel about things. There

27:22

are some, the data has been improving

27:24

on the economy, including inflation numbers by

27:26

and large. But people, the cost of

27:28

housing is still too high. People still

27:30

have student loans they're paying back. It

27:32

is still cost of groceries are still higher

27:34

than they need to be. So people are

27:37

still feeling those things. And it's acknowledging that

27:39

and acknowledging that that's important. Joe

27:41

Biden always says, he's not the first to say this,

27:43

but he says, don't compare me to the almighty, compare

27:45

me to the alternative. And that's

27:47

really the message. The alternative is bad. The

27:50

alternative is pretty dark. And

27:52

on the economy, what I

27:54

expect is they'll continue to

27:56

harden that argument. it

28:00

through the press. Cause it's not the

28:02

sexiest message. He doesn't have the sexiest

28:04

message. They like a train wreck. And

28:08

train wrecks get a lot of more

28:10

attention. But we have to pay better

28:12

attention to what's going on. Cause they're not gonna

28:14

give it to, they're not gonna do it for ya. You

28:17

gotta do it, we gotta do it together ourselves. But

28:19

you know what? We're coming right back. We're

28:21

coming right back. A cloud of the Trump trials. It's

28:23

hard. Absolutely, absolutely. Absolutely. Every

28:34

kid in America who was a dancer wanted to be on

28:37

dance. And Abby knew it. I

28:39

don't care if they like

28:41

me or not, they're fabulous. When it comes down

28:43

to the way she treated us, it was tough

28:45

love. You have trouble saying her name. Yeah, I

28:47

feel like I have trouble just talking about it

28:49

in general. I'm not the bad guy. I was

28:52

the guy that made it happen. You think that

28:54

you would take back some of the harshness when

28:56

you look back. Mom,

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Welcome back. Welcome

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29:57

and Lisa has the next question. So,

30:00

Jen, you've been on both sides of working

30:02

as a press secretary, but also now being

30:04

in the media. And there's been a lot

30:06

of criticism of Biden, most recently from The

30:08

New York Times, that he's held the fewest

30:10

interviews and press availabilities of any president since

30:13

Reagan. I personally think it would

30:15

help dispel some of the concerns about his age if

30:17

he did more. What would your advice be to the

30:19

White House in terms of his accessibility to press? Well,

30:21

I think the benefit of the media environment right

30:24

now, there's a lot of challenges, but I'm going

30:26

to start at the optimistic side, is that there

30:28

are so many choices. And when you're communicating from

30:30

the White House, I mean, respect for freedom of

30:32

speech and freedom of the press is

30:34

important. But you're also really trying to

30:37

communicate with the American people. Right. So

30:39

my view is he should come on the view before he

30:41

does a press conference. Thank you. He

30:44

should, because people want to

30:46

have real conversations about issues that are happening.

30:49

I think press conferences are important, but I

30:51

also think him doing Howard Stern. That's the

30:53

interview that reached a broader audience of people.

30:56

Him talking to the guys from Smartlist, which

30:58

is a great podcast. So

31:00

if you're in the White House, you're not

31:02

thinking about am I checking the box on

31:04

doing the most interviews. You're thinking about am

31:06

I doing the most I can to communicate

31:08

my message to the American people? That's

31:11

who I represent. So I would say more Howard

31:13

Stern. Come on the view. You

31:15

know, more Smartlist conversations where you're having conversations about

31:18

policy, but they're real ones that people have at

31:20

their kitchen. And they're also not just gotcha moments.

31:22

Sometimes it's a citizen when I watch. I don't

31:24

want the same just like catch in moment. I

31:26

want to know what's going on. Yeah, I don't

31:28

always get that from a press conference. But

31:31

when you you say your book Say More

31:33

was the book you wish you had when

31:35

you started out, you go into the highs

31:37

and lows of your time with the Biden

31:39

and Obama administrations and you write

31:42

poignantly about a topic we discuss here often.

31:47

And it's about the idea of

31:49

having it all. So you

31:52

were you are a mother of two, but your

31:54

kids were even younger then while working

31:56

in one of the most visible high pressure

31:58

jobs in the world. as a press

32:00

secretary, can you tell us a little bit about

32:03

that struggle for you? Sure, and I think many

32:05

of us can relate to this. Look,

32:07

I think people probably look at everyone at this table and

32:09

think, oh, you have it together. You just kind of sailed

32:11

to this point. And the truth is, it's very messy at

32:13

moments. And

32:17

what I learned is you have to define your

32:19

own parameters with

32:21

your family and with your kids. And when I

32:23

was the White House press secretary, my kids got

32:25

up with me at five a.m. It was a

32:27

little messy. Should kids that age be up

32:30

that early? Probably not, but it was a little,

32:32

that's my daughter. She's

32:34

now eight, and she's almost my height. But that's her,

32:36

when I worked for President Obama. What

32:39

I also learned about being a mom

32:41

and working in a high pressure job

32:43

is that you sometimes limit yourself. And

32:46

I tell this story in my book about being

32:48

called to come back and be the White House

32:51

Communications Director. I was pregnant at the time, and

32:53

I immediately said, oh, you must

32:55

not know I'm pregnant. Thank

32:57

you so much. And Dennis McDonough, who's the Chief of Staff

32:59

at the time, to his credit, said, that's amazing,

33:01

it's great, we'll figure that out. Just promise you'll

33:03

think about it and call me tomorrow. And it

33:06

was a lesson to me, too, that so many,

33:08

my eye was, and so many women limit themselves

33:10

in what's possible. And you have to ask for

33:12

what you need. I asked to leave at 5.30.

33:15

I did, I did Pizza Night with my kids

33:17

on Fridays when I was the press secretary. You

33:19

create your own parameters. You can't always keep them,

33:21

always. But that's one of the lessons I learned.

33:24

You were also working for Joe Biden, who took

33:26

the train back and forth for 30-some years to

33:28

be able to be with his children. Which was

33:30

a huge factor. And I worked for two presidents,

33:32

which is an amazing, I'm like, I'm not that

33:34

old. I worked for two presidents

33:37

who both said, when you need to do

33:39

something for your kids, go do it. Wow.

33:42

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33:47

you know you can come to the table at a time. It's

33:50

just so fun. I'm hanging out. I'm having

33:52

a dream. Hang out. Ring Joe Biden. I

33:54

will. I invited him

33:56

three times. You can hear more from her

33:58

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we of course will be here tomorrow. God

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