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The View starts

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right now. Do you think

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he knew that he lost the election?

0:36

Do I personally believe that? At

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first I wasn't sure, but I have come to believe

0:41

that he knew well that

0:43

he had lost the election.

0:45

All of the hot topics on your

0:47

mind are on the table.

0:49

From politics... Sadly, the

0:51

president was surrounded by a group of crackpot lawyers

0:54

that kept telling him what his itching ears wanted

0:56

to hear.

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To pop culture... We looked

0:59

up to this woman and we were thinking

1:01

that everything was going to be essentially what

1:04

we dreamed of. I was like, I feel

1:06

unsafe, I feel disrespected.

1:09

Plus, Neil deGrasse Tyson.

1:12

And... Rooting

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for the Rooters! New musical, Rock and

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Romance. Here

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come Hot Topics

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with Whoopi, Sarah

1:27

Haines, Anna Navarro,

1:31

Joy Behar, Sonny

1:34

Hostin, and Alyssa

1:36

Farrah Griffin.

1:39

Now, let's get things started.

2:00

I'm a run-go-run, stand up, put your head up

2:02

I'm

2:05

your house, make your choice Wow,

2:08

hello, hello, welcome to the new, welcome

2:10

to the new, welcome to the new. So,

2:18

so, so,

2:20

you know it's only an hour show, it's only

2:22

an hour show, yo, we gotta get going. And

2:25

we still don't have writers, that's why we're

2:27

fumbling around with our cards, because we,

2:30

the strike is still happening and we're hoping it

2:32

will come to an end soon. They're talking, I saw it in the paper too.

2:35

Maybe it'll be solved

2:35

soon. Fingers across. Sarah,

2:39

you know who is expected

2:41

to be arraigned today in DC?

2:44

Charged with conspiracies to

2:46

overthrow the 2020 election. And

2:48

last night, Bill Barr

2:50

weighed in on his state of

2:53

mind. Take a look. Do

2:55

you think he knew that he lost the election?

2:58

Do

2:58

I personally believe that? Yeah,

3:01

at first I wasn't sure, but I have come to believe

3:03

that he knew well that

3:05

he had lost the election. And

3:08

now, what I think is important is the

3:10

government has assumed the burden of proving that. The

3:13

government, in their indictment, takes

3:15

the position that

3:16

he had actual knowledge that

3:18

he had lost the election and the election wasn't stolen

3:21

through fraud. And they're going to have to prove

3:23

that beyond a reasonable doubt.

3:25

Which is a high bar, of course. It's a high bar.

3:28

Now that leads me to believe that they,

3:30

we're only seeing a tip of the iceberg on this. You

3:33

think Jack Smith has more?

3:34

Oh yes, I would believe

3:37

he has a lot more.

3:42

Where were you, Bill

3:44

Barr, when the election happened? He

3:47

was enabling you. I mean, what? He

3:50

was enabling her. Why do they keep talking to

3:52

us like we're dumb?

3:54

How come only they saw something

3:56

and we saw something totally different? I think

3:58

he enabled him. the Attorney General

4:00

of the United States, he should be ashamed of some

4:03

of his actions. That

4:06

he's, in my view, partly

4:08

responsible for what we're seeing as the weaponization

4:11

of the government. He started that trend

4:13

and having worked at the Department of Justice, I had never seen

4:16

that. You work there and you don't know who's a Republican,

4:18

you don't know who's a Democrat, you're just a prosecutor,

4:21

you're just all working together. He changed

4:23

that, but there's no question that Jack Smith has

4:26

a lot. And what I love is this defense that

4:28

we're hearing from Trump about free

4:29

speech. I could say anything,

4:32

I could say that I won the election. I can lie,

4:35

that is all very true. You can do all

4:37

of that, but you can't join

4:39

a conspiracy

4:40

to defraud the government and defraud

4:42

voters. Like you can't do that.

4:45

I like that he says,

4:47

that boss says that this is the tip

4:50

of the iceberg, which means that Jack Smith's got

4:52

even more ammo, which is interesting.

4:55

And then he goes on to trash Trump a bit saying

4:57

that he knew, he knew what was

4:59

happening and he knew he lost. And

5:01

then he says, but

5:02

maybe I'll vote for him again. I

5:05

mean, you can't believe any of

5:07

these people. But that's party before country again. But

5:09

Alyssa, I always think of you when I think about whether

5:11

he knew, because I know firsthand you were

5:13

interviewed and I know you know he knew.

5:16

He told you he knew. Yeah, he told, but one thing that

5:18

I was watching that Bill Barr interview, one thing that got

5:20

me is that our legal system probably,

5:23

I mean for good reason, but always protects

5:25

the defendant over everyone else. And

5:27

in this instance, what bothers me is, don't

5:30

we think we should know everything about this

5:32

trial before someone goes to a voting booth

5:35

to vote for the president

5:36

of the United States? And Bill Barr

5:38

was saying last night, you know, really the

5:41

system leans towards making sure he has a fair

5:43

trial. And that just blew my mind because

5:45

I don't know how you can let people go to a voting booth when you're

5:47

literally under. But you heard Elihone yesterday was

5:50

here, who's a great pundit

5:52

and a lawyer I believe he has told. He

5:55

said that he didn't think that this would happen, him

5:58

going to jail or whatever, until after the.

5:59

the election, which does not help the situation.

6:02

He just didn't say the jail part. He thinks there can be conviction,

6:05

but not necessarily being in jail. And the

6:07

thing is, this has never been confronted before. Like,

6:09

let's say he gets convicted, right? Yeah. Most

6:12

people aren't allowed to go to Mar-a-Lago

6:14

with a little ankle bracelet. Like, they just go to jail.

6:17

And then they wait for their appeal. The

6:19

President of the United States poses a very different situation,

6:22

I would say, because how do you protect him? Do you put him in solitary

6:24

confinement? It's a very difficult

6:27

situation. Someone said yes.

6:29

But it's a... It's solitary.

6:32

I didn't say that. But it's very

6:35

difficult. And so I can't understand why people

6:37

are saying, you know, they're gonna let him go to Mar-a-Lago with

6:39

his ankle bracelet. They're gonna have him have

6:41

a probation office, and they're gonna let it all

6:43

play out. But we've never had a constitutional

6:46

crisis where the President is currently

6:49

under indictment, or is already a... Well, maybe they

6:51

put him in a room with just us. I

6:54

don't know who would break first. I

6:56

wanna point out again, I'm

6:58

just gonna keep pointing

6:59

this out. If you've been

7:02

convicted of a felony, you are not

7:04

allowed to vote. In most

7:06

states. In most states. When I

7:08

was a kid, you weren't allowed to vote

7:11

in any state. But you can run for President. Not

7:13

only can you run for President, but you can

7:16

become President and do

7:18

that from jail. I don't

7:20

know how that balances out.

7:22

But you think it's fair if somebody gets convicted of something

7:25

and gets put in jail and pays

7:27

their debt to society, can they run for President

7:29

then?

7:29

Well, here, I'm

7:33

all for paying debts. I believe

7:35

in paying debts. But he has not gone,

7:37

hold on, I'm gonna let you talk in one second,

7:39

I promise you. But he hasn't paid for

7:42

anything yet. He hasn't paid a debt. He hasn't

7:44

served any time. He hasn't done anything.

7:46

So, you know, if he,

7:49

and I don't mean to smile if this happens, if

7:52

he pays his debt to society

7:56

and he does all the things that everybody

7:58

else is expected to do.

7:59

when you are coming

8:02

out of jail, then maybe

8:04

we can have a discussion. But why

8:06

we are not even talking

8:09

about the fact that if you can't

8:11

vote when you come out,

8:13

why can you be the president when you

8:16

in? And by the way, no one's really introducing

8:18

that. I wouldn't think that Congress would, some Democrats

8:21

in Congress would perhaps bring up a bill around that, but here's

8:23

what's. A bill around what? Around the idea of barring

8:26

convicted felons for running for president or

8:28

people who are committed trying to steal an election. Congress probably is

8:30

working on that. But I think that, listen,

8:33

we use the word arraignment, fancy, big, legal, or

8:35

this is the third time that this man, the former

8:37

president, will be arrested today. For

8:40

allegations of crimes, he's now gonna let the legal

8:42

process play out. He's gonna be

8:43

fingerprinted. He will not have a mugshot.

8:46

There's some kind of different treatments for the former

8:48

guy. Which I don't think is why. But that's

8:50

the dissident. His face is the most well-recognizable.

8:53

So it's mine, so I'm gonna commit a crime.

8:55

I don't have anybody actually. But

8:58

I sat down with investigators

9:01

with the Department of Justice in this investigation

9:04

about six months ago, and I didn't meet with the grand jury

9:06

or Jack Smith, but I was struck today thinking

9:08

about it. Some of the FBI, DOJ

9:11

investigators, these were, to

9:13

a setting point, completely nonpartisan

9:15

people. I didn't see an ounce of their leanings.

9:17

I didn't feel like they were pushing me a direction at

9:20

all. It was asking questions, and it was

9:22

so wide-reaching that I do agree

9:24

with, wide-reaching in terms of, I

9:27

knew they knew a lot more than I knew. So I agree

9:28

with Bill Barr. I think the indictment itself is

9:31

the tip of the iceberg in terms of what they have on

9:33

Donald Trump. And his lawyers need to be prepared

9:35

for that because this legal strategy, we've

9:37

seen them start telegraphing on TV, is really

9:40

shaky. Free speech lets you do just about anything,

9:42

but it does not let you then go into conduct

9:45

where you commit crimes like you're instructing Congress.

9:47

Didn't Smith put something in the indictment

9:50

that basically threw the whole thing about First

9:52

Amendment out the door? Well, the first year, he didn't say that he

9:54

denied the election. That's how smart this guy

9:56

is. I have a bit of a theory here. I

9:58

think

9:58

Donald Trump's legal.

9:59

is much more of a made-for-TV legal

10:02

defense than a keep-him-out-of-jail legal defense. Is

10:04

it made-for-TV money? And I say this because

10:06

I think he's gonna try to stretch this

10:08

in every way legally feasible beyond

10:10

the election and is banking on winning, gutting

10:13

the Department of Justice, pardoning himself if he

10:15

needs to, because this will not hold muster in part. He

10:17

already has a pocket pardon. Do you agree with

10:18

that? Maybe, I wouldn't be surprised. I think somebody

10:21

would've advised him. A pocket pardon, that's something that Nixon

10:23

had. He thought that he could just whip out a pardon

10:26

and pardon himself. Yeah, but that's not.

10:28

But now we might, maybe in a situation where

10:30

a president is in jail. I think his spokespeople

10:33

are coming out saying he was following the advice

10:36

of his lawyers. They keep saying that over the last

10:38

three days. I think he's gonna try to make the lawyers.

10:40

He ignored the smart lawyers who told him the truth

10:42

and brought in crackpots to his pencils. So here's

10:44

the question. If you were standing in

10:46

Washington and you're encouraging

10:48

people to go in and beat up people

10:51

in the White House and go hang the

10:53

Vice President,

10:53

if I had done that or

10:56

if you had done that, it would be

10:58

an issue. You

11:00

threatening people, you being, but

11:02

suddenly now, it's okay

11:05

for him to threaten people and

11:07

to under, do that thing

11:09

where you're not saying

11:11

go beat him up, but you're saying

11:13

go hang him. Well according to 69% of the Republicans

11:16

out there, they

11:19

believe that he won the election. 69% of

11:21

Republicans believe that Joe Biden lost. That

11:25

is the danger of him, but also other elected Republicans

11:28

lying about the election. I know Elise Stefanik

11:30

knows better. I know Kevin McCarthy knows better. They all know better.

11:33

But that's why the public believes that. But here's the thing, I'm going to remind

11:35

you that polls are taken. People

11:38

call up 100

11:39

people and they say,

11:41

well most people feel this. I don't believe

11:43

that because I've met too many Republicans who

11:46

are going, no I'm not really on board with

11:48

that. So I don't know that that's

11:50

true.

11:51

I know there are people who think that

11:53

he walks on water because I've heard

11:55

them say that too. They compare him to Jesus.

11:57

I've heard that too. What kind of church?

11:59

It ain't going. But I

12:02

will say, keep in mind, if

12:04

it ain't good for the goose, it's not

12:07

good for the gander. We all are

12:09

under the same law or we're not.

12:12

I'm gonna throw this in very quickly. I

12:14

wonder if he stays throughout the entire

12:16

proceedings. Like you have to be arraigned. There

12:19

are certain things that you have to participate in, but

12:21

there is some precedent for in the middle of a

12:23

trial that you decide, I'm out.

12:25

I don't need to listen to this crap coming my way.

12:27

What about Sonny? He makes a deal with

12:29

Smith. Without jail time? And without jail,

12:31

he says, look, I'm going away, I'm moving to Saudi

12:33

Arabia. Great!

12:38

Wouldn't that be good? Just go away.

12:40

I don't even care if he goes to jail. I don't have

12:43

it in my heart to punish the guy. I just

12:45

want him to go away and stop ruining

12:47

my country. I think

12:49

there are shared prosecutors that would offer

12:51

him a fleet

12:51

agreement without time if he would

12:54

agree to never run for public

12:56

office again anywhere. Just

12:58

go away. I don't even want to see him in

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Three dancers who are suing

15:12

Lizzo over allegations of sexual

15:14

harassment and hostile work environment

15:17

spoke out this morning about what

15:19

they say they experienced.

15:21

There's a clip. Was I

15:23

pressured to touch a new performer? Yes.

15:26

Was I brought into a private meeting where I was

15:29

kind of interrogated about my

15:31

personal matters and ended up having to share

15:33

very personal, personal things about

15:36

myself regarding my weight? Yes.

15:39

She actually balled up her fist like this to me.

15:41

She started cracking her knuckles and

15:44

she was like, you're so

15:47

lucky that basically I'm not

15:49

going to hit you. Her best friend,

15:51

who is also one of the dancers, had to jump

15:54

out of the couch and physically hold

15:56

her back from coming and hitting me. So yes,

15:58

I do believe that if she...

15:59

she wasn't held back by that dancer,

16:03

she would have hit me. So,

16:06

Lizzo put out a statement

16:08

that said this

16:11

is not correct, this is not true, but these

16:14

are allegations, so your thoughts? Oh,

16:17

I have to check my bias because I'm such a

16:19

Lizzo fan. Like, if I'm having a bad date, she's my

16:21

hype girl, I put on Lizzo and I love her music,

16:24

I love her energy and body positivity. I

16:26

think, listen, I read her statement, she

16:30

was outright did not acknowledge any of

16:32

this, she didn't accept any

16:34

of the allegations. I think one thing

16:36

did stand out to me, because you don't see it in this clip, but some

16:38

of the allegations were about, they're out

16:40

at a club and asked to do some, actually it wasn't, they're

16:43

inappropriate things. That stood out to me

16:45

where I think it is an area Lizzo can accept some

16:47

accountability, because I'm sure she went out

16:49

being like, I'm with my friends, my dancers are my friends,

16:51

but there's a power imbalance, because she is their boss.

16:54

And so they don't feel like they can say no, or

16:56

they're gonna feel pressure. So that stood

16:58

out to me, I love her and wanna see her come

17:00

back from this, so I think acknowledging some accountability

17:03

on anything that's true, but I also, it's so hard

17:05

with these things to know. But it's the fact shaming

17:07

that seems hypocritical, because it's all

17:10

about body positivity, and if it's

17:12

true, we don't know if it's true, we'll see what happens

17:14

when they go to court. But if you're gonna go out there

17:16

and say you love

17:17

your body, and then you start fat

17:19

shaming others, that's not kosher,

17:21

people don't like that, that's the hypocrisy of it. It isn't

17:23

about the hypocrisy of the bullying

17:25

that goes on in this industry, in the music

17:27

industry, in the TV industry, in Hollywood,

17:29

where Finn is everything. And

17:32

she was the one person that was like, no it's

17:34

not. And so I think that's why I'm so disappointed.

17:37

I tend to believe that this happened. And

17:40

the reason that I say this is because there was

17:42

this Oscar nominated director, her

17:44

name is Safiya Nali Allison.

17:47

She is an incredible

17:49

American documentary filmmaker and photographer,

17:51

she was supposed to do Lizzo's documentary. She

17:54

said she was treated with such disrespect

17:56

by Lizzo, that she had ultimately.

17:59

She ultimately made the decision to walk away

18:02

after about two weeks because of the

18:04

toxicity. She said, I was treated

18:06

with such disrespect by her. I witnessed how arrogant,

18:09

self-centered, and unkind she is.

18:11

I was not protected and was thrown into a situation

18:14

with little support. My spirit set to

18:16

run as fast as you can and I'm so grateful

18:18

I trusted my gut. Yeah, it was. That's

18:21

heavy. That is heavy. Yeah, but nowadays, the minute

18:23

you open your mouth, it's all over social

18:25

media. And it's like, you don't even know what really

18:27

happened. She's a legitimate person. Allegedly.

18:29

Allegedly. It's all over. I

18:32

have the same reaction, Alyssa, because when

18:34

I saw it, but I also questioned every headline.

18:36

So when it first came up, I thought, something's wrong

18:38

here, I'm gonna read in. It was honestly the documentary,

18:41

the producer that got me too, because as I read

18:43

what she said. It's a fantastic documentary that she was nominated

18:46

for. Yeah, and it broke my heart because I think

18:48

there is, it maybe does

18:50

run rampant. And hearing this

18:52

on the heels of, by the way, did you see Taylor Swift

18:55

gave away $55 million, including $100,000

18:57

bonuses to truck drivers

18:59

on her tour. Everyone worked on her

19:02

tour. I need to get some work on her tour. Yeah,

19:04

but I mean, to see the difference

19:06

of, these are allegations, so it's

19:08

always gonna be, she said, she said, my gut

19:10

said there might be some truth here and it made me so

19:13

sad because I do love her. And the bully, if

19:15

there was bullying, that's to me like,

19:17

we've seen it a few

19:19

times with celebrities and I wanna leave. But to be the point, do we ever really

19:22

know when it comes to a celebrity? Well, you know, when it

19:24

comes to, listen,

19:27

you can be a bonehead and be a

19:29

great person at the same time. Both things

19:31

are true. You can be a, you can't

19:34

say the word, but it starts with an

19:35

A. And

19:38

do great things. I don't know what happened. And

19:40

as you said, Joy, we'll find out when it comes

19:42

into the wash. That's what we need to keep in mind. And

19:44

we'll find out. If I just mention, I wanna be clear, I do think

19:46

these women that spoke out seem very credible and they

19:48

don't have anything but to lose by

19:51

doing this and taking on someone very powerful. Well,

19:53

but again, again, we lose. Don't

19:55

they work for her? No, I would say definitely again. I said

19:57

that backwards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, people

19:59

will find out.

19:59

When it comes out in the wash. But

20:05

always wait until you get all

20:07

the information. Because as

20:09

we know, people throw things

20:11

out there. Once it's out there, it's there for

20:13

life. So no matter whether it did or did not

20:16

happen, you're

20:18

carrying that with you as well. So

20:20

just take a minute. She says that they have nothing to gain.

20:23

What they have to gain is a lawsuit that gets

20:25

money for them. It's money. The lawsuit

20:27

involves a large sum of money. We'll see. We'll

20:30

see what happens. I don't know how they generally say it. Undisclared.

20:32

I want to talk about O'Shea Sibley. Who

20:35

was the young man who was murdered

20:39

on Saturday at a Brooklyn gas

20:41

station.

20:41

He was dancing to Beyonce, yes,

20:45

with his friends. And these guys approached

20:47

and spewed gay slurs. And the

20:49

police are searching for one

20:52

of the suspects, the 17 year old suspect.

20:54

So it's a hate crime. It is, I think it's

20:56

a hate crime. But you know what? Probably.

20:59

Somebody saw you, somebody's got your

21:01

picture, and they're coming to get you.

21:03

Because you cannot,

21:05

I'm sorry. You

21:08

want to talk about, you

21:10

could have driven away. You could have walked

21:12

away. You could have done anything. Because

21:15

they weren't bothering you. They were doing

21:17

their thing. They were dancing. They weren't dancing at

21:19

you. They weren't dancing near you. They

21:22

were just having a good time with their party. And you

21:24

went over and murdered them. I hope they kept you.

21:26

This is pure hatred. And make you sit.

21:31

And make you sit and understand what

21:34

you took out of the world. Because this was

21:36

a magnificent dancer. They

21:38

know what you look like. We'll be right back.

21:40

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21:43

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22:02

Welcome back. Jessica, Tastain,

22:04

and Oscar, Isaac, have been friends since

22:07

college, but Jessica admitted to Vanity

22:09

Fair that since filming the mini-series scenes

22:11

from A Marriage, their friendship has never

22:13

been the same. Can working together

22:15

work when it comes

22:17

to friends? I

22:19

always thought, yes, Joy convinced me to

22:21

watch the scenes from A Marriage. I liked it. Because

22:24

you thought it was so fantastic and it was, and they're both such incredible

22:26

actors and friends, but those

22:29

scenes were very intense. And then I remember

22:31

when they were doing press

22:33

for it, they were on the red carpet and they

22:35

were like touching each other in

22:37

such an intimate way. Sometimes they

22:39

do that for them to sell the movie. But he's like kissing

22:42

her underneath her armpit. Like, I don't even do that

22:44

with you. I don't want my husband doing that. So

22:46

she says in this Vanity Fair profile

22:49

that it took

22:49

a toll on their long

22:51

time friendship because there was so

22:53

much I love you, so much I hate you

22:56

in the series. That was always

22:58

my wonder and I've asked Whoopi that. I've asked, you

23:00

know, when you're on set with someone and there's

23:02

clearly chemistry, when you're acting

23:04

can that happen? What?

23:07

Us. That talking about the under armpits? No, people

23:10

talking about,

23:11

you know, are they doing, is something going

23:13

on, is something. If you hear that, every

23:15

time you go out and somebody says, so,

23:18

how are you and Jessica? That

23:22

wears on the people you are with. Because

23:25

it does, yes. You

23:27

know, as the partner of an actor, that

23:31

they're gonna be with lots of different people in lots

23:33

of different scenarios. If you can't handle

23:35

it, you should stay away from it. But they

23:38

can. The wife can and her

23:40

husband can. And it is those

23:42

people going, hey, hey. But

23:44

not once. It's hey, hey, 500,000 times.

23:48

What do you think Jessica is saying, I need to breathe it from

23:50

him? But there's no doubt that people can. Because

23:53

it's because when people,

23:55

if you know that every time you see

23:57

this person and you're in public, you

23:59

can't. You can't hug your friend. You

24:02

can't go up and have some good times because

24:04

somebody's, and in

24:06

this world, someone is not just

24:08

saying, hey my God, look at what's going on, but

24:10

they're writing it. And they're taking pictures.

24:13

But you can't deny, Bubby, that

24:15

a lot of times in these films, they're getting

24:17

into each other because that's the scene. You

24:19

know what I mean? I mean, I have to tell you, you

24:21

know, not that

24:24

I've done lots of these, but I've been

24:26

around a lot of actors and people who are

24:28

doing this. And no, they're not, because

24:30

there are 19 million people in the

24:33

room with them. There's nothing intimate about this.

24:35

I read a story one time about two

24:38

actors, but this is like, we're going really back

24:40

into the 30s. And we're not naming the actors. We're

24:42

not naming who they are, but the two of them

24:44

got into a love scene and got so

24:46

intense that they went to third base,

24:49

wasn't in the script.

24:51

How do you define third base? Well,

24:54

I know nothing about sports, but I do

24:56

know something about sex. They

25:00

went to third base and the whole crew watched

25:02

this happen. So it has happened.

25:04

Well, I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm

25:06

telling you why it may be a problem

25:09

for these folks who are not doing

25:11

that, who are just trying to be friends. And

25:13

you say, I'm not going to be, I'm not going to

25:15

stay away from you because it's too much of a hassle.

25:18

Yes, I hear the music. I'm going to

25:20

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25:21

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26:02

Do you believe that our government is in possession of UAPs?

26:06

Absolutely based on interviewing over 40

26:08

witnesses over four years. Biologics

26:10

came with some of these recoveries.

26:13

Were they, I guess, human or non-human

26:15

biologics? Non-human

26:18

and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge

26:20

on the program I talked to that are currently still on the program.

26:23

So you know, you know who

26:25

had to be laughing in his office. He's

26:29

here with us this morning. Please

26:31

welcome Neil deGrasse Tyson.

26:33

So

26:36

we just saw this bombshell

26:39

testimony of the congressional hearing

26:42

last week. What

26:44

was your take on it? Well

26:46

he said, I hadn't heard the phrase non-human

26:49

biologics before. Uh huh. Maybe

26:52

I'm not alone. It means alien. Well would it

26:54

have to? Maybe a dog. Wait, wait, consider

26:56

the tree of life. Has

26:59

the plant kingdom, the animal kingdom, the

27:01

microbial kingdom and the fungal

27:03

kingdom. Add them together, subtract

27:05

humans,

27:07

everything else is non-human

27:09

biologics. Why the tree is traveling in UFOs? No,

27:12

no, I'm saying anything could

27:14

have contaminated anything that they found

27:16

from Earth. What about a... Everything

27:19

on Earth that's non-human is a non-human biologic. A thing

27:21

that falls out of sky, the media.

27:24

Could a meteor also have non-biological...

27:27

Excellent question, but we know about... What

27:30

we know about meteors is that they carry amino

27:33

acids, the building blocks of protein. Out

27:35

of which life is based. Plus

27:37

NASA has been looking for life all the time.

27:40

We're always looking up, but

27:42

the aliens only apparently visit

27:44

navy pilots and

27:47

restricted airspace. Apparently. So

27:49

you don't believe that these UFOs have any

27:51

people on them then? They might have had a plant. I just

27:53

haven't seen evidence for it. If all the evidence is behind

27:56

some closed door that not even Congress

27:58

can get to, that's a little weird. He knows

28:00

the exact locations of recovered

28:02

UFOs in the government's possession. Area 53.

28:06

Yeah, and they get all their money from Congress. 55, 54?

28:09

A 58. A 58 and a half. Have

28:12

you ever seen? So, if

28:14

they get their money from Congress, if

28:16

Congress does not have access to it, then

28:19

what's the difference between what they're describing and

28:23

no alien at all? I believe

28:25

it. Very interesting.

28:27

She believes in a lot of things. And I heard Whoopi's

28:30

all in it, but you're disqualified from this

28:32

because you played an alien

28:34

on a TV show. I said he's in a game. She

28:36

believes it too. She

28:39

believes it too. So, is she disqualified from participating

28:42

in this conversation?

28:42

I believe that it's not possible

28:45

in this magnificently huge universe

28:48

that we're the only life form. I

28:50

didn't say that. Nobody's

28:53

saying it's an intelligent life form. But that's

28:55

why, but I don't know, one person's

28:57

intelligence is another person's, you

28:59

know,

29:00

flusher. A quick addition.

29:03

A friend of mine is on a committee to advise NASA

29:05

on what to do about the future of these observations.

29:08

And one of the things they might recommend for

29:10

NASA is to develop an app on

29:13

your smartphone. So, if you see something that's

29:15

weird, you take the picture and all the metadata

29:18

is there, what direction you're facing, your

29:20

location on Earth, and you send it in

29:22

and it gets compiled. Because everybody

29:25

with your smartphone is taking

29:27

sharper pictures than Navy pilots in

29:29

their airplanes, okay? Because

29:31

it's kinda odd that maybe the aliens

29:34

actually are fuzzy.

29:35

I mean, that may be it.

29:38

Well, let me ask you, it does seem like

29:41

these days one of the only things that's bipartisan is

29:43

the interest in space exploration. That

29:46

includes NASA's Artemis mission to put Americans

29:48

back on the moon in 2025, which

29:50

you say is important for the future of the space program.

29:52

Tell us about

29:53

that. Yeah, so Artemis, you may know, is

29:55

the twin sister

29:58

of Apollo in Greek legend. So,

30:00

NASA was early woke in Australia.

30:03

And so that mission is going to have women,

30:06

people of color,

30:07

people, a crew, more

30:09

representative of Earth that will go,

30:12

there you go. More like Star Trek. One of

30:14

them. More like Star Trek, yeah. You wanna

30:16

join in there? They

30:20

need a bartender, right? Is that what you're saying?

30:22

Yes, yes. So, yes,

30:26

well, I think we're kinda motivated because

30:28

like

30:29

China, maybe China. Don't

30:32

tell anybody. What about China? There's a

30:34

city where they live. No, I'm just saying

30:36

they've got a plan to turn

30:39

from here to the moon into their backyard.

30:41

And so that was motivation

30:43

enough for us to redouble our efforts.

30:45

Can I ask one follow up? In your mind, do you think

30:47

any of these unidentified aerial phenomena

30:49

could be Chinese weaponry

30:52

or systems or technology we're unaware of? So

30:54

that's half of the interest of Congress

30:57

is, if there's something flying overhead that poses

30:59

a security risk, we wanna know about it. The

31:01

Pentagon should investigate it. So I have no

31:04

issues regarding this, that's correct.

31:06

No, Neal, we talk about this. By the way, that's what brought the

31:08

sides of the aisle together. I'm

31:10

looking at these hearings and there's AOC

31:13

and some right wing republic. Everybody's

31:16

together asking questions. This

31:18

is a beautiful thing. So what we need is an

31:20

invading alien

31:21

army to bring this together. To bring the country

31:23

together. Well, the enemy of my

31:25

enemy is my friend. There it is. We

31:27

talk on the show a lot about AI and the potential

31:30

dangers for

31:31

humanity. If it's left

31:33

unchecked and earlier this summer, the world's

31:36

leading tech experts all signed a statement

31:38

warning that quote, mitigating the risks of

31:40

extinction from AI

31:42

should be a global priority. Just

31:45

how worried should we be?

31:46

Yeah, so I mean, you could listen

31:48

to them. That's why I have a more buffered

31:52

view of this. There's AI

31:54

everywhere, right? When you call Siri,

31:56

when Siri, you were talking to Siri. There's no human

31:59

in that.

31:59

Siri's telling you how to get to grandma's house,

32:02

avoiding traffic that's updated by the

32:04

moment. And no one is saying, oh my gosh, the

32:06

end of the world is near.

32:07

Where does that Siri come from? A satellite?

32:10

How come they know? It uses satellites, yes. And

32:12

also waves. Well, satellite GPS. GPS,

32:14

yeah. And so it collates this information without

32:17

human intervention. That's AI. AI

32:19

beat us at chess. It beat us at Jeopardy. It

32:21

beat us at Go. It's doing all kinds

32:23

of things, okay? It's been with us,

32:26

and we've been using AI for decades in my

32:28

field. AI could

32:30

be a pathway to discover

32:33

new medicines. For

32:35

example, imagine there's a doctor performing

32:37

something on you, and they check the AI database,

32:39

and the AI says, wait a minute, don't cut there. Because

32:42

there's some research paper

32:44

that someone published that the doctor didn't know about,

32:47

because AI can study everything instantly. It's

32:49

fascinating. It can also lie, though, and

32:51

make it worse. Sometimes it gets it wrong, though. Yeah, it's

32:53

bad for politics. That's bad when that happens, so.

32:57

It goes it all the time. So my

32:59

point is, it's the frontier

33:02

of AI,

33:03

where people worry about AI possibly achieving

33:05

consciousness or taking control of the world.

33:08

And yeah, we should be worried about that.

33:11

Yes, but to put everything into one

33:13

category AI, and somehow

33:15

fear the rest of what AI is doing for us, I

33:17

think is misguided. They need to really be

33:20

specific about what part of AI

33:22

we should be cautious about. I

33:23

don't want AI duplicating

33:25

me. That's what I don't want. Oh, we could never

33:27

get to you, whoops. You can't

33:30

handle it. Yeah, you know, but think about what they're

33:32

doing in cinema. They

33:36

are duplicated, they can duplicate folks,

33:38

and you don't know who's who or which one is

33:40

who. That's the danger prize. Let me give

33:43

you a plug. Oh, we're doing that? Yes,

33:45

you're a busy man, we know that. You're still doing your

33:47

popular podcast, StarTalk. I listen

33:49

to that. And our bestselling author, your

33:51

new book coming out this fall is a vocal

33:53

to infinity and beyond, a journey

33:55

of cosmic discovery. What

33:58

is left in the universe that you have?

33:59

Oh, yeah, no, the universe brims with mysteries,

34:02

and that's what keeps me jumping out of bed

34:04

each morning to

34:07

say what remains to be discovered today, especially when

34:09

you consider, as the area of our knowledge grows,

34:14

so too does the perimeter of our ignorance. Oh. As

34:16

we reach out. I enjoyed that. That should

34:19

be on a shirt. Yeah. I think we're in the middle

34:21

of the perimeter of our ignorance. Yeah.

34:24

Listen, you have to

34:26

come back more and more and

34:29

keep us up on what's going on out there. And

34:31

I love what you do with the set every time. Yeah,

34:33

that's Brian, because he loves when you

34:35

come. You can listen to StarTalk whenever

34:38

you get, wherever you get your podcasts, and

34:40

keep your eye out next month for his new

34:42

book, To Infinity and Beyond.

34:45

We'll be right back.

34:46

Neil. Neil. Whoa. Whoa.

34:49

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

34:52

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

34:55

Whoa. Whoa. So

34:58

I want to see this wonderful show. It's

35:00

a new musical called Rock and Roll Man. It's

35:02

playing at New World Stages. It celebrates

35:05

the life of radio DJ, Alan

35:07

Freed, who brought the sound of rock and roll to the

35:09

world. So performing a medley of

35:11

Little Richard's good golly Miss Molly

35:14

and Tootie Fruity, and a new original

35:16

song, King of the World, please welcome the cast

35:19

of Rock and Roll Man.

35:20

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

35:23

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. I'm

35:27

on fire. Who's

35:29

calling Miss Molly? So

35:31

like the ball. Who's

35:34

calling Miss Molly? So

35:37

like the ball. When

35:39

you're rocking in a roll man, you

35:42

hear your mama call. From

35:45

the early, early morning to the early, early

35:48

night, tonight, call Miss Molly, walk it out the hall

35:50

of the light. Who's calling

35:53

Miss Molly? So like the ball. Yes

35:55

you do. But when you're rocking

35:58

in a roll man, you hear your mama call. Come

36:01

on, Richard, let's have another one. Do

36:04

the do the. Do

36:06

the do the. Do the

36:10

do the. Do

36:12

the do the. Do the

36:15

do the. Do the. Say

36:19

rock and roll! Say

36:22

rock and roll! Say rock

36:25

and roll! Say rock

36:28

and roll! Rock and roll! Say rock and roll!

36:31

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36:33

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36:36

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36:40

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36:43

Coming from a radio tower Millions

36:46

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36:49

they Hey, hey, hey, get

36:51

free! They're beyond your

36:53

throne now They're a

36:55

bottle rock and roll now Hey! Listen

36:58

to my every word They just wanna

37:00

be free Yeah, that's right And

37:04

it makes me feel Like the king

37:06

of the world Yeah,

37:08

yeah, yeah With my scepter

37:11

and my crown You're never

37:13

gonna bring me down And

37:16

you don't get me Don't get me

37:19

You won't get me Won't

37:21

get me I'll be good, baby And

37:23

you know you won't get me Won't

37:25

get you Won't get you I'm

37:27

the biggest there is in the band You

37:29

won't get me Oh,

37:31

yeah, yeah, yeah Oh,

37:34

let it roll Let it rock

37:37

This is some business Never gonna stop Purple,

37:39

purple, purple Way now Deep in

37:41

our song Raise the drink

37:44

No, don't rock and roll Set your

37:46

mind a-bodding free Yeah

37:49

Free to be who we wanna be And

37:51

you don't get me Don't get

37:53

me You won't get me Won't

37:56

get me I'll be good, baby

37:59

And you know you won't get me You're gonna get

38:01

your, gonna get your, gonna get your I'm

38:03

the biggest, the reason, the fear You

38:06

won't get me Gonna get your, gonna get your, gonna

38:08

get your, gonna get your You won't get

38:10

me Gonna

38:18

get your, gonna get your, gonna get your, gonna get your Gonna

38:29

get your, gonna get my, gonna get your, gonna get your You

38:32

won't get me Gonna

38:40

get my, gonna get your, gonna get your, gonna get your

38:56

Well, that is

38:58

the end of our show. And thank you all for

39:00

coming. We really appreciate it and thank

39:02

you all for watching because we appreciate that,

39:04

too. We want you all to have a great day, everybody,

39:08

and take a little time to enjoy

39:10

the view. We were so happy back there. Woo!