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worm turns. Controversial

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candidate Robert Kennedy Jr. makes the

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shocking claim that a worm ate

0:29

part of his brain, yet

0:31

insists he's still fit to

0:33

serve. But with concerns

0:35

that President Biden's looking sluggish and

0:37

former President Trump trying to squirm

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out of legal trouble, does he

0:42

still have some wiggle room left

0:44

in the race? Then,

0:47

Rainn Wilson talks about his

0:49

soulful reunion with his former

0:51

office flame. That was

0:53

beautiful. That was beautiful.

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That's why I have a podcast and you don't. And how

0:58

he's working hard to start a

1:00

spiritual revolution. And go

1:02

behind the headlines of the glass

1:05

ceiling smashing icon and creator of

1:07

The View with the author of

1:09

the new book, The Rule Breaker,

1:11

the life and times of Barbara

1:13

Walters. Here

1:16

come hot topics with

1:19

Whoopi, Sarah Haines, Anna

1:22

Navarro, Joye, and the There

2:00

you go. Hey! Well,

2:04

well, welcome to the New York

2:07

Opportunity Embassy, Embassy! Oh,

2:10

so just when you thought the

2:13

Republicans... Okay,

2:17

so we only got an hour. So, just when

2:19

you thought that

2:23

the Republican presidential nominee defending himself in

2:25

court against allegations from a porn star

2:27

was going to be the wildest thing

2:29

you were going to hear this week

2:32

about the race, independent candidate,

2:34

RFK Jr., drops

2:36

this. Take a look. It came out today

2:38

in the New York Times about this worm

2:41

that somehow got into your brain. It's

2:43

a wild story. It's kind of scary, right?

2:45

In 2010, I was having brain fog, and

2:48

I was having trouble with word retrieval and

2:51

short-term memory. They found

2:53

a black spot in my brain, and

2:57

the doctors immediately said, that's a tumor,

2:59

but it never grew. And he... In

3:02

the end, they said that this

3:04

is almost certainly a

3:07

parasite that got into

3:09

your brain. Parasites are very common

3:11

in India, where I had done a lot

3:13

of environmental work, and

3:15

it comes from eating undercooked pork. So you've made

3:18

a full recovery. Is that fair to say? Yeah.

3:21

Really? But

3:25

he insists he's still up for the gig, and

3:29

even tweeted, and I don't know

3:31

why, that he could eat five

3:33

more worms and

3:35

still be you-know-who and Biden in a debate.

3:40

Well, and now we know the reason for his irrational

3:42

behavior, but what is Trump's excuse? Mm-hmm.

3:44

Mm-hmm. Does he also have a

3:46

worm in his brain? We know he suffers

3:48

from narcolepsy. He's always falling asleep. It's crazy.

3:50

I mean, he had a worm that died

3:52

in his brain, and

3:56

I guess atrophied, and it's not... Now

4:00

part of his brain matters. Part of his

4:02

brain. But to make fun of the other

4:04

two candidates, Biden and Trump, he's not exactly

4:06

Arnold Schwarzenegger and now we know that he

4:08

has these ailments. He had other stuff years

4:11

ago. And by the way, the New York

4:13

Times dug this information up. It's not like

4:15

he volunteered this information. Well you know why

4:17

he may not want to volunteer in

4:20

March 2012, these are his words. I

4:22

have cognitive problems clearly. I have short term

4:25

memory loss and I have longer term memory

4:27

loss that affects me. So

4:29

they followed up on that and he's like, no,

4:31

I'm all good now. But that was in a depth

4:33

of the cadet. Well he was also going through a

4:35

divorce trial. I don't know if

4:37

that served him. I don't know if that was true

4:40

or if it's not true or whatever. He had mercury

4:42

poison and hepatitis. Yes, he mentioned mercury poison and hepatitis.

4:44

It sounds like he had a heart thing in eight

4:46

fibs. It feels like he had a lot of things

4:48

to be honest. Yeah, right. That's what he's going on.

4:50

There's a lot of things going on and I

4:52

saw Sanjay Gupta, who I

4:54

find very credible and reputable, say that he

4:56

has actually operated on people with this and

4:58

that the bottom line is that that worm

5:01

doesn't die. Well it dies in your

5:03

brain and then it's calcified and it

5:05

stays there forever. I said that just

5:07

a minute ago. I thought that's what

5:09

he was trying to say. Yeah, he

5:11

was trying to say. Well this is

5:14

true. For me, it was sort of like

5:16

that worm is there and

5:18

I don't know how your cognitive function

5:21

is still. He did not have his treated

5:23

by the way. He did not have his

5:25

treated. No. His is still in there like you're saying

5:28

and it's like a timer. Sometimes you don't have

5:30

to, now I'm quoting Sanjay, but Sanjay said you

5:32

don't have to get it treated but he has

5:34

treated it but that worm is still there. I'm

5:36

uncomfortable with the worm being there. Allegedly,

5:39

these brain worms don't actually eat your

5:41

brain. It's just like a parasite that's

5:43

in there. So it was our thing

5:45

that. He just hangs out. He just hangs out,

5:47

he added it was eating my brain. That was

5:49

his judgment call. He's like, I think it was

5:52

eating my brain. Medically they don't do that. But

5:54

this whole news cycle and election is my ninth

5:56

circle of hell. From Kristi Nones murdering her puppy

5:58

to Trump on. and the Stormy

6:00

Daniels to this, it's crazy. But before you

6:03

guys roast RFK too hard, it's now showing

6:05

that he actually may take more votes from

6:07

Donald Trump than Joe Biden. Well, it's still

6:09

because they both have weird brains. Well,

6:12

it makes sense. It makes sense. It makes sense.

6:14

A funny thing I saw in the article, so

6:16

a spokesperson from RFK's campaign said, when

6:18

asked if Kennedy's health issues would compromise

6:20

his fitness for the presidency, she

6:23

said, that's a hilarious suggestion given

6:25

the competition. But don't you ask? A

6:28

spokesperson for RFK. What does this mean

6:31

though, for

6:33

this third party bid, right? Does that change your mind to

6:35

listen anyway? Cause I know before you were like, you know,

6:37

this is gonna take the votes away from Trump. You need

6:39

to vote for Biden. I mean,

6:41

you have to. Isn't it now a non issue? All

6:43

these other Republicans who really don't want to vote for

6:46

Biden, but they really won't vote for Trump, need to

6:48

vote for Biden. Here's my thing with Biden though. Don't

6:50

put a third party in there. I want to see

6:52

him campaign like he's working for. I feel like he's

6:54

campaigning like he's running for parks and rec. We don't

6:57

know what the campaign message is. 2020,

6:59

it was really strong. It was restoring the soul

7:01

of America. But now it's, you know, defending

7:03

it like, actually the economy is better than you

7:05

feel and better than your bank account says. Or

7:08

no, don't believe the polls at this point or

7:10

the other guy's worth. He needs to find that

7:12

message that inspires. You know, I don't want him

7:14

stopping anything to talk to me. I

7:17

want him to figure out what's going on in

7:19

Israel, to make a decision. I

7:21

want him, you know what I want? I want him to

7:23

be definitive, which is

7:25

what I need him to be because I

7:27

know all the stuff he's done. Now I

7:29

need to know how are you going to

7:31

deal with all this other stuff? That's what

7:33

I'm waiting for him to do. And he's

7:36

slowly coming out and doing it. But I

7:38

suspect because he doesn't have control over, like

7:40

Israel, and he doesn't have control over what's

7:42

happening in the Ukraine and he doesn't have

7:44

control. He can't say just stop it, stop

7:47

it. So I think for me, it's more,

7:49

I understand what you're saying. I think more

7:51

definitive. Wasn't it a bridge

7:53

too far for his slogan, vote for

7:55

Joe, not the psycho? What do you think

7:57

of that? Or the guy with the brain worm? Yeah,

8:00

like vote for the guy with the brain worm.

8:02

Doesn't it take out the job? Doesn't it take

8:04

out the third party argument though? Like, are you

8:06

gonna really vote for the guy with the worm

8:08

in his brain? Or are you gonna? I mean, I think

8:10

some of those Joe Rogan listeners are totally okay. I

8:12

believe that. I think he peels from Trump. I think. Because

8:15

everything he comes up with, he also has a guy on his staff,

8:18

I don't wanna misspeak here, that said

8:20

he wasn't ashamed of January 6th to find out

8:22

he was at January 6th. Oh

8:24

yes. Yeah. And who's staff member?

8:26

Yes, a staff member of RFK. So when you see

8:28

that's kind of the people surrounding themselves around him, I

8:30

do think he peels from Donald Trump. But I think

8:32

it's okay to kind of raise some alarm bells six

8:34

months out because the Republican

8:37

candidate is on trial, we're hearing salacious

8:39

details about the alleged affair with Stormy Daniels,

8:41

the Hushmany payments. This should be a slam

8:43

dunk and it's not. And there's six months

8:45

and it's eight. Well we don't know that.

8:48

Because we are tribal. We don't know how

8:50

this is gonna affect anything. I think

8:52

people have fatigue

8:55

from just all of this. From

8:58

all the candidates because it's just too much. It's

9:00

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9:02

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Well, welcome

11:16

back. Apparently

11:22

there is a question going

11:25

viral on TikTok right now

11:27

that asks, would you rather be alone

11:29

in the woods with a man or a bear? And

11:32

a considerable number of women said they'd

11:34

rather take their chances with the bear.

11:39

I'm going with the bear also because the

11:41

bear will not shoot me. He's

11:44

not going to go. No, he's not going to

11:47

do that. No, he's not going to do that.

11:49

No, no, no. And Grizzlies will gnaw on you.

11:52

But if you've been standing there long enough

11:54

to see the Grizzly comment, you the dummy.

11:57

You're absolutely right, would be because it's the fact that you're the

11:59

dummy. That's almost in one, there's only one

12:02

in 2.1 million chances

12:04

of being attacked by a bear. You know?

12:06

But there's a hundred. But does it add when you chose the bear

12:08

in the woods? Yeah. Well by the way men, ages 18

12:10

to 25 are 167 times more

12:14

likely to kill someone than a bear. Oh,

12:17

I take the man dark. I take the man because

12:19

a man can act like an animal. The bear

12:21

is a wild animal. I would much rather take

12:23

my chances with that. Yeah, no, he's not pulling

12:25

a gun and forcing me to lay down. I'm

12:28

with Whoopi on this one because when you're in

12:30

the woods you're likely with a bear. I spent all summer

12:33

in New Hampshire, in Lake Windfosaukee. And we see bears. Okay,

12:35

if we're talking black bear, I choose bear. If we're

12:37

talking grizzly, I'd probably. Also they don't say who the

12:39

man is. Is this a criminal, a

12:41

stranger, the ominousness of like there's a man? Well

12:43

average man, I think you can. He's probably not

12:46

a criminal. Well I think he can pick a

12:48

man, right? If he's gonna pick a survivalist. Remember

12:50

we had that guy. You don't get to pick

12:52

the bear or the man. That guy. I'm picking

12:54

him because he survived a shark attack. He's hot.

12:58

He can go find me a water

13:00

source. He can get fish.

13:02

I can make frickin' fish. While you're

13:04

standing there waiting for him to come back.

13:06

The bear? You've already been gone. No,

13:08

the bear's not gonna get me. I'm having

13:10

mountain sex, I'm having island

13:12

sex, I'm having forest sex. I thought you

13:14

were in the woods. Well then I have

13:16

forest sex and I have frickin' sea fish.

13:18

And I got somebody there. Hey, wait, what

13:21

did you get? You saved me. Well I

13:23

would go with a compromise. Smokey the bear.

13:27

What is he smoking? I'm not smoking the

13:29

bear. The half man, he's sort of half

13:31

man person and half bear. That's okay.

13:34

He's the only you to prevent wildfire.

13:36

But all he does is talk about wildfires all day long.

13:38

It's not what he's talking about. Isn't it a little creepy?

13:41

You know what I was gonna say? Oh sorry. I

13:43

was gonna say. If you're somewhere remote and you know there's another

13:45

person here and they may pop out at any time but you

13:47

don't know and you don't know why they're here and does he

13:50

live in the woods? Is that something he's living by the land?

13:52

Much easier than I think. There is a bear within it. But

13:54

there's always a bear when you're hiking. Yeah, that's why I don't

13:56

do it. But what I'm saying is you have a choice on

13:58

the, like you never pick a wire. You don't mess with

14:00

you, it'll destroy you. When I was in

14:02

the Berkshires, don't pick up the problem.

14:05

I was at somebody's house there, and people who live

14:07

up in the Berkshires have to take bear training. Yeah.

14:09

Oh really? So this is what they tell them. I

14:11

was in Vermont for every month. You're about to do

14:13

the wrong thing. If you don't come down, you're supposed

14:15

to do like this. Rah! To make you, rah! Like

14:17

things that are bigger. And then you have to do

14:19

it again. And then there's a black bear. It's a

14:21

black bear. If it's a grizzly or not. If it's

14:23

a brown bear, you lay down. If it's a grizzly,

14:25

they say don't run, because bears can run 40 miles

14:27

per hour. An evilist

14:29

guy, because he knows all of that. Listen,

14:32

they didn't ask all that.

14:34

Yeah. They said who would

14:36

you choose? Okay, a

14:38

strange man or a bear. Yeah, give me the bear.

14:40

Give me the bear. Give me the bear. Oh,

14:43

oh, oh, change man! Change

14:45

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15:29

y'all, we'll be right back. Okay.

15:49

Welcome back. A sex

15:51

therapist told New York Post, the

15:53

New York Post that there's an age old way that

15:55

folks used

15:57

to have for thousands of years to increase the age of sex.

15:59

their sex drive, just pick up some sexy

16:02

books. She says reading

16:04

erotica is more effective than watching

16:06

it. Joy. Yeah.

16:08

Yeah. Yeah. Do

16:12

books turn you on? There

16:15

was one book looking for Mr. Goodbar. That

16:17

was a hot book. Oh, that was

16:19

a hot book. Yeah, you remember the ending of that, right?

16:21

Well, forget the ending. That's why you don't want the man.

16:24

Don't read, there's a murder. No, there's a murder

16:26

at the end, but you don't read that part. You read the

16:28

beginning part. And I, you know, I've

16:30

often recommended Martini on an

16:32

Empty Stomach. Yeah, yep. A sexy movie

16:34

or a sexy book. Yeah. And

16:37

then Find a New Guy. Yeah. Those

16:39

are my tips. But it's

16:41

interesting because Sunny Hostin,

16:45

whose new book is coming

16:47

out, seems to

16:49

understand this. Well,

16:51

speaking of sexy books. Yeah. What

16:53

is it called? Summer on the Bluffs with

16:55

a Bear? It's not really, it's called Summer

16:58

on Highland Beach. It's the

17:00

third book in my series. And it's

17:02

out on May 28th. Read it, read

17:04

it. Why don't we have Joy read me? Some of

17:06

the sexy parts. For some reason I'm like the Dr.

17:08

Ruth of this paper. Here we go. Because it's

17:10

funnier when you're not your Jackson. Yeah, here

17:12

we go, read it. So, desire

17:16

hit her hard and fast.

17:19

She was burning up, sparked by

17:21

fire, lit by joy. Really?

17:25

By sun. She'd forgotten how delicious spearmen and

17:27

pissed it on her lips. Ha

17:29

ha ha ha. Want me to read this other one?

17:31

Yeah, read the naughtier one. Oh, it's so bad. You

17:33

really want me to read that too? Yeah, read it,

17:35

read it. Oh my God.

17:37

We only got a minute 29. She

17:39

finally honored his demand, cupped his ass,

17:44

and guided him inside.

17:47

Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Woo! Woo!

17:50

Woo! Woo! Woo! That's

17:53

embarrassing. Take a Brian. Can

17:57

I just turn off? Can I turn off?

18:00

That she doesn't say where she guided

18:02

at. We could've guided him inside the house,

18:04

you nasty guy. That is correct,

18:06

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called Ezra. I didn't

21:00

have any scenes together with

21:02

Rainn, but it was

21:04

wonderful because Robert De Niro is also in

21:06

the film. And you did have scenes with

21:09

De Niro. I did. Wow.

21:11

I did. He's such a childhood hero

21:13

of mine. Anyone who was an acting

21:15

student like De Niro was on Mount

21:18

Rushmore. So it was

21:20

like three and a half lines with Robert De Niro,

21:22

but still. Still, yes. Still. Still.

21:26

And it's lines that you need for

21:28

the film, you know, because it moves. It's

21:30

such a lovely film. It's a lovely film, you guys.

21:33

It's about an autistic kid on the spectrum

21:36

on a road trip with his kind of

21:38

deranged dad. And a

21:40

lot of misadventures along the way.

21:42

It's heartfelt. It's moving. It's funny.

21:44

Whoopi is great in it. I'm

21:46

an agent. She's a manager. She's

21:48

great. Amazing. A Bobby Bonavalle.

21:50

Wow. Well,

21:52

I'm so glad we have you today because just yesterday it

21:55

was announced that a follow up series to The Office will

21:57

follow a dying local

22:00

newspaper in the Midwest and it allegedly takes

22:02

place kind of in the Dunder Mifflin universe.

22:05

Is there any chance that we might get

22:07

a cameo from Dwight? We need one. Can

22:10

you get me on it? Your agent

22:12

would be willing. Could you be my agent

22:14

anyway? I could. Yeah, I

22:16

know the announcement came out yesterday and I learned

22:18

about the show. Like I literally know nothing about

22:20

it. But I love the idea that they're trying

22:22

to do an office spinoff not

22:24

in Dunder Mifflin, not with the

22:26

same characters but a documentary crew

22:28

following a different workplace. Wow. That's

22:31

a great concept. It could work. Sure. If

22:34

Dwight Schrute shows up at a newspaper in the

22:36

Midwest then I'm there. I

22:38

love it. I

22:41

have to. The office went off

22:43

the air 10 years ago. I was a

22:45

rabid fan. I think still. Still.

22:48

Every time I see a camera I just want to look at it and make

22:51

weird faces. You

22:53

get to do that every morning. Well,

22:55

yes. But celebrities like Billie

22:57

Eilish admit to watching all the seasons

23:00

like 15 times. And

23:02

one of the iconic pranks that Jim plays on

23:04

Dwight is in the first episode when

23:07

he puts his stapler in

23:09

Jell-O. So can you tell

23:11

us what happened to you recently? Yes,

23:14

I had a little call back to

23:16

that famous site gag of Dwight's stapler

23:19

in the Jell-O. I ordered room

23:21

service in Italy and it

23:24

was late at night, middle of the night. And

23:28

the cart shows up. I'm hungry. My

23:30

wife is sick. I'm tired.

23:34

And there's no silverware. It's encased in

23:36

Jell-O. Look at that finger. Oh my

23:38

God. That's great. That is excellent.

23:40

Which is hysterical. The

23:42

show is huge like around the world. It's a

23:44

paper company in Scroggs. And

23:50

it's huge in Italy. They don't even speak

23:53

English. They're like, oh, blah, blah, blah, blah,

23:55

blah, blah, blah, blah. Doesn't it make you

23:57

want to meet the person that had that good a sense of humor?

24:00

what we should do, but it's still right. I

24:02

don't wanna know that one. A lot of work, a lot of

24:04

action. Yeah, Jello has the set. Yeah, Jello

24:06

has the set. So somebody really did

24:08

that. I like that. Well,

24:10

I wanna talk to you about something

24:12

else that we love, your new podcast

24:15

Soulboom. It's so unexpected, right? Because I

24:17

think people are surprised to learn about

24:19

this side of you. It's based on

24:21

your New York Times bestselling book of

24:23

the same name, Soulboom. And you say

24:25

we all need a spiritual revolution. What

24:28

do you mean by that? What kinds of

24:30

conversations have you been having so far to

24:33

get there? So yeah, it's an interesting thing

24:35

I'm trying to do. A lot of people don't know

24:37

that I kind of

24:40

have this kind of secret inner

24:42

Oprah. Yes, yes. Which is I

24:44

have this kind of love of

24:46

spiritual topics and kind of wisdom

24:48

and faith traditions. What's the

24:50

spiritual topic, for example? The

24:53

meaning of life. Do we have a

24:55

soul, what happens when we die? Those

24:57

are religious questions too. They

24:59

can be religious questions, but I wanna

25:01

separate spirituality from religion. Spirituality is anything

25:04

concerned with the non-material aspects of life,

25:06

right? A religion is a kind of

25:08

way to contain it and have a

25:10

philosophy around it. But one can't, the

25:13

fact the fastest growing religion in the

25:15

United States is spiritual, but not religion.

25:17

Yeah, exactly, that's right. So I

25:20

love religion, I love the world's

25:22

faith, and I've studied them all,

25:24

but I'm also interested in people

25:26

using spiritual tools for personal transformation,

25:28

but also, whoopee, using

25:31

spiritual tools to help make the world

25:33

a better place. And that's

25:35

something we don't put quite enough focus on as

25:38

you guys are rolling up your

25:40

sleeves in this new political season and seeing kind

25:42

of how. Well, how do you know if

25:44

you're a spiritual person? Everyone is a spiritual

25:46

person. You are, Joy. No, I don't think so. You

25:49

don't think you're a spiritual person. No, she doesn't think so.

25:51

She doesn't think so. Really? I'm not any of that. I

25:53

don't believe in anything. No,

25:56

but you believe in you, you believe in you. Yes,

25:59

I believe in you. of the human brain, I believe in

26:01

laughing. I believe in love and family. You

26:05

just addressed one of the most

26:07

incredible spiritual mysteries of life, which

26:09

is consciousness itself. How does consciousness

26:11

happen? Is it just simply neurological

26:13

wires and molecules in our brains

26:15

and brain chemistry? Or is

26:17

there something more magical and

26:20

transcendent about we

26:22

laugh, we think, we feel, we connect,

26:24

we bond, we yearn, that

26:27

impulse is the spiritual impulse.

26:29

And that can move into

26:31

our systems, that can move

26:33

into our education system and our

26:35

health system, and we

26:37

can use that to make the world a better place.

26:40

See how good the podcast is? Very

26:42

good, what it sounds like, you need some soul boom.

26:44

I also believe in Botox. Does that need to be

26:46

a circus? Botox is

26:48

very spiritual. My podcast,

26:50

yeah, my podcast is like Botox for the

26:53

soul. There you go, and there's the name

26:55

of the next book. Very well. Well,

26:58

you reunited with your Office co-star Angela

27:00

Kinsey on a recent episode of Soul

27:02

Boom. Tell us about that,

27:04

and will any of your other castmates join you?

27:07

Well, I just ran into John Krasinski

27:09

this morning who's promoting his new movie,

27:11

If, sorry, I'm promoting his movie for

27:13

him. Make sure you see that next

27:15

week. But yeah, I'd love to

27:17

get more Office cast on there. I love

27:20

having standup comics and

27:22

thinkers and theologians and authors.

27:24

And we deal, one of the things

27:26

Angela and I talked about was grief

27:28

and the processing of grief, because

27:32

she had lost her father and some of the

27:34

family members. I lost my father during COVID. And

27:37

just processing that and thinking about

27:39

death and life after death and

27:41

the hope and meaning of that.

27:43

And can we commune with the

27:45

spirits of folks after they've passed?

27:48

And these are some of the

27:50

dark, fun, heady human topics. Do you believe

27:53

that you can talk to the dead? She does.

27:56

Absolutely. Yeah, thank you. Of

27:59

course you can speak to the dead. Do they talk

28:01

back? Do they ask me? They spoke to

28:03

me through Teresa Caputo. Oh yeah. Okay. Yes.

28:07

Yes. Happy years. I

28:09

love Teresa Caputo. Yeah, I did, yeah. So,

28:13

oh, you were a

28:15

Star Trek person. Yeah. You love Star

28:18

Trek. I love Star Trek. As do I. We

28:20

share this. Yes, we do. Yeah, we were in

28:22

the Star Trek universe. I played a small role

28:24

on Star Trek Discovery. Yes. And it's a,

28:26

it's, but it's- Oh look. Oh wow.

28:28

You know that name? Yes, I was

28:31

just about to say, where are you? And then

28:33

I got out of here. Yeah,

28:35

I was kind of sexy Star Trek.

28:37

That's good. But- You

28:39

could be in my next book. It's in the- In the- You

28:42

should talk. He

28:45

could be your man in the woods. Yeah. But

28:48

one of the things I talk about in Soul Boom is

28:50

how Star Trek is one of the

28:53

most spiritual shows of all time. It

28:55

is. Because it shows the progress of

28:57

humanity, past racism, beyond income inequality, finding

28:59

peace and truth and justice and connection,

29:01

so that we can go explore space

29:03

and have fun with aliens instead of

29:05

fighting among each other and tearing each

29:07

other apart. And we were both a

29:09

part of that. And I know that

29:12

that's important to you too. It is very

29:14

important to me. I believe with my soul.

29:16

And I want to say, do you mind

29:18

if I pronounce the name of the

29:21

show like they used to talk

29:23

about Soul Trek? Yes. Because

29:26

it's got that thing that

29:28

Soul Train has. Can I record you

29:30

saying it that way and you use it

29:32

in the podcast? Yes, yes. We gotta do

29:34

that. Okay, we'll do that. We'll do that.

29:37

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Welcome back. It is really hard

30:43

to believe that it's been a year and

30:45

a half since we lost Barbara Walters. And

30:47

now a new biography takes you through her

30:49

trailblazing journey that completely changed the game. Please

30:52

welcome USA Today Washington

30:54

Bureau Chief and author of

30:57

Rule Breaker, Susan Page. So

31:04

I'm interested in the name, the Rule

31:06

Breaker. Why did you decide on that? So what

31:08

did Barbara Walters do every day of her

31:10

life? You know, the rule was women couldn't

31:12

do big serious interviews with newsmakers, but she

31:14

did. The rule was women's voices

31:16

were not authoritative enough for them to be

31:18

anchors, but she was. And the rule was

31:20

men were going to make more money than

31:22

women was. And boy, did she bust that

31:24

one. I remember when she

31:26

made a million bucks. She was the first woman

31:29

in the news division to make a million. The

31:31

first person, not just women. And

31:33

can't admit, it was Harry Reasoner who was such a

31:35

sexist. She had a hard time.

31:37

And she also had a work ethic, really, like

31:40

no other. I mean, we can attest to that.

31:42

We lived with that. She claimed

31:44

that it's because she never went to the bathroom

31:46

and she always got the scoop. She

31:49

held it in. And

31:51

that came from her father, Lou Walters, who

31:54

owned a nightclub in New York called the

31:56

Latin Quarter and seeing his

31:58

highs and lows and sort of. took

32:00

her right there to be a really a

32:02

workaholic in many ways, I think. So

32:05

how do you think that

32:07

work ethic showed up in her work?

32:09

Well, huge ambitions, right? She had sky-high

32:12

ambitions as her father did.

32:15

The other thing her father gave her,

32:17

I think, is a gut instinct for

32:19

what do people wanna hear about? What questions

32:21

did people want her to ask newsmakers?

32:23

That was one of her, I think,

32:25

really special skills, and I think that

32:27

reflected her dad, who started out booking vaudeville

32:30

acts and then became this great impresario at

32:32

nightclubs. She also asked hard questions. I mean,

32:34

she would talk to the shah of Iran

32:36

and basically call him a sexist to his

32:38

face. You know, she was

32:41

very confrontational. She went to Vladimir

32:43

Putin in Moscow and said, as

32:45

her question, have you ever ordered

32:47

someone killed? Yeah, and he

32:50

said no, which, by the way, do not believe it.

32:52

Liar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, her face

32:54

told you he was lying. And she

32:56

would also make people cry. That

32:58

was sort of a thing. As

33:00

Joy mentioned, the sexism and misogyny she faced

33:03

was pretty shocking, even in today's terms, but

33:05

back then it was kind of par for

33:07

the course, right? Whether it was

33:09

from Frank McGee, the host of The

33:11

Today Show, Harry Reasoner, as Joy mentioned,

33:13

her co-anchor at ABC News, what kinds

33:15

of things did she face? And

33:18

how do you think she persevered?

33:21

Think about it. Frank McGee went to the

33:23

head of the network news division and

33:25

set a rule that she could not

33:27

speak during interviews until he had asked

33:29

the first three questions. Can you imagine

33:31

keeping Barbara Walters silent that long? It's

33:33

hard to imagine. Harry Reasoner, he was

33:35

so hostile to her when she went

33:37

over to be the co-anchor on the

33:39

evening news. He would have gotten fired

33:41

in this day, if he had done

33:43

this. His face was so contemptuous

33:45

to order. They had to stop doing two shots where

33:47

they would show both of them on the air at

33:49

the same time because he would be scowling at

33:52

her as she was speaking. Wow. Talk

33:55

about the groundwork she laid for future

33:57

female journalists because she really was a...

34:00

groundbreaking. I mean, for TV, women in

34:02

television, for sure. For women in print,

34:04

I owe a debt to her. She

34:06

cut a path and paid a price

34:08

that has benefited, I think, everybody at

34:10

this table. Well, directly at this table

34:12

for sure. Well, I wasn't for

34:14

Barbara. Whoopi and I would not be sitting here.

34:16

I mean, we got new jobs. No. Well,

34:20

I mean, I was happy to have it. To

34:22

this day, I thank her because otherwise, beyond

34:24

the road, as a fan of comedians, I'd

34:27

be suicidal. And, you know, she

34:29

loves the view. She created the

34:31

view when she was 67 years old. And

34:34

if you think about rules that she broke, there

34:36

was a rule that women could not possibly be

34:38

67 years old and still be on TV, and

34:40

yet she stayed on this show until she was

34:43

in her 80s. That's true.

34:45

Later. I know. So, obviously,

34:48

something women, to this day, grapple with, but when you have a huge

34:50

career, it often means having to set aside things like

34:52

motherhood and marriage. And you write about this in the

34:54

book. Did you get the sense

34:56

that she had any regrets on at times

34:58

prioritizing her career? You know, I found her

35:00

graveside, which had not been previously publicized,

35:03

and her grave stone, it says,

35:06

no regrets. I had a

35:08

great life. And I think that, you know,

35:10

she paid a price. And when there was

35:12

a struggle between work and family, work always

35:14

came first with Barbara. She was relentless in

35:16

that way. But I do not think she

35:18

died with regret. Now,

35:21

also, I would disagree with that. I

35:24

think she would have some regrets about the

35:26

way she couldn't be there for her daughter,

35:29

maybe. She's had a couple of divorces,

35:31

and maybe the marriages didn't work out because of her

35:33

job. I think she might have had some regrets. Well,

35:35

you know, three failed marriages, I think

35:37

that had a sting. And the love of

35:39

her life, Senator Edward Brooks, she cut things

35:41

off with him. Senator Edward Brooks, a black

35:44

senator. Yeah. And a married

35:46

man. Yeah. She talks about that

35:48

in her book. She discloses that in her book.

35:50

It was one of the big disclosures. But

35:53

when she felt that that threatened her career, she

35:55

ended it. Wow. Now,

35:58

you mentioned. We

36:00

all talk about the show here, her creating it with

36:02

Bill Getty in 1997. It

36:05

was groundbreaking because at the time there

36:07

were no panel shows of women from

36:09

different backgrounds, different ages coming to give

36:11

opinions on the hottest topics. Now

36:14

people warned Barbara against doing it and

36:17

said that it wasn't a great

36:19

idea. She stuck with it.

36:21

Why do you think she took that chance and what

36:23

do you think that brought out in Barbara? Because in

36:25

a way the view was the first time people were

36:27

seeing some sides of her they hadn't seen in her

36:29

world before. Yeah, I think that's such a great point.

36:32

Bill Getty told me that they

36:34

knew that the ABC did not expect

36:36

the show to succeed because they wouldn't

36:38

invest in a new set. And

36:40

the first view had to use a set

36:42

that was left over from a soap opera

36:44

that had been canceled. Boy were they wrong

36:46

about that. I think she loved the fact

36:48

that on the view, unlike on 2020 and

36:51

the other things she had done, she showed her

36:53

personal side. She was the

36:55

grand inquisitor mostly when she was doing those

36:58

big interviews. But she was on this show

37:00

she could talk about her life, her daughter,

37:02

she could talk about, she was Marilyn Monroe,

37:04

she would not get out of role. On

37:07

Halloween she would show up in costumes. They did

37:10

not do that on 2020. Yes, no they did

37:12

not. But also when they told her this

37:14

show would not stay on the air she personally went to

37:16

all of the O&Os, local stations

37:18

where she had to go and told them

37:20

to put it on the air. That is

37:22

perseverance, perseverance. And

37:25

you know what she did? In the early show

37:27

she would book for it. She would call famous

37:29

people she knew who wanted to be interviewed in

37:31

other ways and say why don't you come and

37:33

do this show I'm starting with. Amazing. It's all

37:35

right. Joy. Joy. Oh,

37:38

so we should end on a funny note about Barbara. She was the queen of plugging

37:40

her work. She just plugged away. She

37:42

had a great talent. There wasn't a Friday

37:44

that went by that

37:46

she did not remind people that 2020

37:49

was on that night.

37:51

And she used to say, what's the point of doing

37:53

something if nobody knows about it? Nothing

37:56

more true than that. When she wrote her

37:58

autobiography in 2020, 2008

38:01

or the audition maybe physical

38:03

promotion and we all helped

38:05

her promoted take a look Thanks

38:30

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38:32

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