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now. Dead

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to rights. My view is

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now that we have abortion where everybody wanted

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it from a legal standpoint. Not

0:41

according to a chorus of conservatives lashing

0:43

out at Trump for kicking abortion rights

0:45

back to the states. If

0:47

he doesn't take a definitive stance like

0:50

the current administration. If Congress passes the

0:52

law reinstating the protections of Roe v.

0:54

Wade, no Biden will sign

0:56

it into law. Will this be the issue

0:58

that knocks him out? Then,

1:01

Russ and Amber Tamblyn are

1:03

taking you on a star-studded

1:05

journey, dancing on the edge

1:07

and tumbling through Hollywood. Plus,

1:09

groundbreaking business mogul Lauren Wesley

1:11

Wilson is sharing her roadmap

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to success. Here

1:17

come hot topics with

1:20

Whoopi, Sarah

1:23

Haines, Anna

1:26

Navarro, Joy

1:29

Behar, Sunny

1:31

Hostin, and

1:33

Alyssa Thera Griffin. Now,

1:37

let's get things started. Thanks

1:52

for watching! So,

2:15

yesterday's announcement that you know

2:18

who is kicking abortion

2:20

rights back to the state.

2:29

It's not landing well. It landed with

2:31

a thud with a ton

2:33

of conservatives. Now, his former

2:35

VP, his minion Lindsey

2:37

Graham and anti-abortion activists are slamming

2:39

it as a betrayal to people

2:42

who voted for him in 2016

2:44

and 2020. Voting

2:50

for him in 2016 and 2020. How

2:54

did that go? Well, they voted for

2:56

him in both of those. People who voted for him

2:58

voted in those positions. Okay, so that real Trevor. Right.

3:01

But he lost, right? Yeah, yeah. He

3:03

lost. He lost big. Yeah. Bigly.

3:07

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't wrong

3:09

here. In any case, do

3:12

you think this is going to cost him a little

3:15

piece of his base if he doesn't take a

3:17

more definitive stance? Because

3:19

Biden and Harris have

3:22

promised that they will make Roe v.

3:24

Wade the law of the land if

3:26

Congress passes the ball. So,

3:32

I think that Trump stands to lose

3:34

more from the general election, the broader

3:36

electorate than the base. Now, what Pence

3:38

is doing is important. And I would

3:40

note, Donald Trump has not come clapping

3:42

back at Mike Pence for his statement,

3:44

which was much harsher than Lindsey Graham.

3:47

But Pence does reflect where a lot of Christians

3:49

and Catholics are on this issue, which is immovable.

3:51

But that's a small minority that I believe will

3:53

come back to Trump. Where Trump

3:56

knows abortion hurts him, is with

3:58

moderates and centrist Republicans. Harper.

4:00

I have my personal convictions about abortion. I

4:02

don't believe I would personally get one, but

4:04

Republicans are like the dog that caught the

4:07

car. So now we see this tapestry of

4:09

laws were you have to alter restrictive laws

4:11

like Texas where even the ones who wanted

4:13

to have a baby couldn't nearly lost her

4:16

life in nearly lost her fertility because we

4:18

can't get our hands around. What a compromise

4:20

on this issue that allows. Some. Access

4:22

and Protect The Life of the Mother. It is

4:24

a major major loser for republicans. Gap in Trump

4:27

oddly recognizes that this is one of the weird

4:29

ones where he has a good political and think

4:31

on it. I just don't know how he runs

4:33

away. thing that because he is on t thing

4:36

I am responsible for dragging down row for. It's

4:38

a gift to the democrats. put several cats can't

4:40

make it. The only thing the running on the

4:42

gotta talk border. They've gotta talk economy. The gotta

4:45

talk about him is good but not. and they

4:47

need to be promoting. not because abortion cannot be

4:49

a singular unifying issue for the country. There's so

4:51

much more. That? well you never know. I mean

4:54

you never know. people keep busting now when all

4:56

kinds of stuff. Now and me. But I

4:58

was a little surprised. And Lindsey Graham, who

5:00

has been on his knees. For.

5:09

At the Temple of Mine

5:11

from the and did not

5:13

start out that way. Yeah,

5:16

And many of them have done that. They've

5:18

also have fallen to their knees and they've

5:20

been worshipping him. And I'll tell you I

5:22

mean I actually don't think that it will

5:24

move a lot of this trump or as

5:26

a lot about mag A base and my

5:28

I agree with Alyssa that it may shift

5:30

some independence. It may shift some a it

5:33

will ship women, it will shift of independence

5:35

but that the interesting thing for me is

5:37

not so much about his you know position

5:39

on abortion because I I think he's morally

5:41

bankrupt and self. The bottom line is he's

5:43

gonna say whatever he needs to say to

5:45

get real ugly. Faberge else am I

5:47

thought was very interesting is that

5:49

in front of his billionaire donor

5:51

base which he raised fifty million

5:53

dollars recently he started talking about

5:55

immigration. Any started using this white

5:57

nationalist rhetoric to a crowd of.

6:00

Who are sort of cheering him on. He

6:02

was saying things like why can't we get

6:04

the nice immigrants from Denmark? You know why?

6:06

Because they're happy we're in Denmark. they wouldn't

6:08

come here the edo we. They were very

6:11

happy to winter there. A white immigrant one

6:13

that might actually move. That's what a meal

6:15

with total dog over there and you know

6:17

in the center and and they know you're

6:19

running for President here with a hobby and

6:21

I. Model.

6:29

Number One: Yes, the First Will

6:31

pants. Lindsey Graham, and and Trump

6:33

are fighting to see who could

6:35

make women's lives more miserable. Netflix

6:37

What they're really fighting for: How

6:39

can we really destroy women in

6:41

this country? That's it. Lindsey Graham,

6:44

It will be on his knees up Flying

6:46

down tomorrow. Log out with we have a

6:48

spy on He could sit upright on the

6:50

plane had he doesn't have a spot. For

6:53

what season ago I mean he just goes

6:55

back and forth trying to get his pension

6:57

five. And by the way I saw an

6:59

interview with a bag of the other day

7:01

that really blew my mind. These people will

7:03

not be moved. Know they will do is

7:05

no way There was a cunt I think

7:07

it was a construction worker and one of

7:09

these guys goes around talking to them as

7:11

saying he said to him on listen on.

7:14

Do. You have voted for Trump. Oh yeah,

7:16

his mom man and all that stuff is

7:18

this and then he said did you know

7:20

that he doesn't pay his workers Frank and

7:23

the guy goes away our i don't think

7:25

that's true. You know that they want to

7:27

Fox I don't think that's true. It has

7:29

No, it's really true. I can documented for

7:31

you if you like and he goes and

7:34

he thinks about Isabella even if it's true

7:36

they probably deserved it. Yes okay this is

7:38

what a working man. a working mess hand

7:40

the with a bit. How would he like

7:42

it is it's Trump stiffed him. That's what

7:44

I'd like to know. These people need to

7:47

understand as heat will also stuff you see

7:49

Do I do not like Wow, You are

7:51

not. What's the word I'm looking for here.

7:53

Immune yeah to Trump is working class. Crazy

7:55

that he was saying in front of these

7:58

billionaires. I gave you all the bad. pay

8:00

tax cut in the country

8:02

and I'll do it again. He didn't give a

8:04

student loan debt the way Biden is. He didn't

8:06

give people jobs the way Biden has. He hasn't

8:08

done anything. And how much money could he do

8:10

to build a wall? This election

8:13

isn't gonna be decided by the MAGA. The MAGAs aren't

8:15

moving, the 30 to 40% who

8:17

are gonna die hard be with them. But there is

8:19

a voting bloc that's up for grabs. And what I

8:21

thought was actually remarkable. I don't think the evangelicals are

8:23

up for grabs. Again, I think that's a portion of

8:26

MAGA. I actually don't know if I think that that's

8:28

true. I know many, I'm episcopalian, I know many Christian

8:30

Republicans who cannot be with Donald Trump. But if

8:32

you look at Iowa, the Iowa caucuses, they totally

8:34

went for grabs. There's so many different kind of

8:36

sex within the Christian church. Within

8:39

the Christian church and we kind of go differently. Right,

8:41

sex, sex, sex. I think morally some

8:43

of us can't be with Trump. But

8:47

the point I wanted to make is Lindsey Graham

8:49

suddenly getting a spine on abortion restrictions. Why

8:51

not Ukraine aide? This guy made his whole

8:53

personality being a hawk, wanting to stand up

8:55

for U.S. leadership abroad. And he caved on

8:57

aide Ukraine at a moment when it could

8:59

save millions of Ukrainian lives. He's also morally

9:01

bankrupt. Listen, they have no cash in their

9:04

bank. Bottom line is it

9:06

doesn't matter if they're morally bankrupt. Where

9:08

do we stand as voters? That's

9:11

the question. That's the only

9:13

question you have to answer. You

9:16

know, which world do you want

9:18

to live in? Which country do you

9:20

want to live in? You want to

9:22

live in a potentially fascist country?

9:24

Or you want to live in a country where we can

9:26

all fight to get where we need to be together? We

9:28

want to live in Denmark. I

9:31

don't want to live in. We'll be right back. Cool. This

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so sorry. We

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were remiss. We needed to tell you

13:06

that Sarah's out for a few days

13:08

attending a funeral for a family friend.

13:11

That's why she's not here. Sorry, it got away

13:13

from me. Yeah. So

13:16

here's something you

13:18

want to talk about. A

13:20

recent career community survey of

13:22

over 500 hiring professionals

13:25

found that a woman's professionalism

13:27

is often judged on her

13:30

physical appearance. And one

13:32

woman is going viral for sharing her story.

13:34

Take a look. Interview for a

13:36

job earlier this week, the interview went so well. My

13:38

background was exactly what they were looking for. She was

13:40

concerned that for my interview,

13:43

I hadn't put in enough effort in

13:45

my appearance given the level of role I'm interviewing

13:48

for. I was interviewing for a vice

13:50

president position. And now my appearance,

13:52

I've done a blowout for my hair. I had

13:54

a nice top of laser earrings, but I only

13:56

had on chapstick. I didn't have any makeup. Does

13:58

not wearing makeup for. women to job

14:01

interviews or to jobs, make it

14:03

seem like they aren't putting as

14:05

much effort or care into their

14:07

job. I think that's

14:09

hard to tell because no one would ever ask

14:11

a man why his face wasn't made up. Ever,

14:13

ever. But you know,

14:15

and to me, if I'm working on a

14:17

poll, then you can talk to me about

14:19

makeup. Yeah. But if I'm working

14:21

in a capacity where I have to talk to

14:24

people and stuff, what does my face have to

14:26

do with that? What does my makeup look like?

14:28

People are, I

14:31

think that adds to all the roles of women where

14:33

people are not used to seeing women,

14:35

other people are not used to seeing women with

14:38

makeup. Even Trump knows that. Without makeup. Look at

14:40

the makeup he wears. Yeah. People

14:42

know you have to wear makeup on television. On

14:44

television, but I don't think she was on television.

14:46

Yeah, I do wonder about it because, you know,

14:49

if you're working for a law firm and interviewing

14:51

for a law firm position, does that mean that you have to

14:53

have a fully made up face? I will

14:56

tell you that in my experience, both as

14:58

a lawyer and as someone on television, my

15:00

hair has become an issue. I

15:02

don't know how to blow my hair out. I don't know

15:04

how to flat iron my hair out. And everybody realized that

15:07

during the pandemic, right? Because we didn't have hair and makeup

15:09

crews. And I showed up like this. What

15:11

I will say is I've been told

15:13

many times that curly hair is unprofessional

15:16

and that I should make a change. And I

15:18

also was told one day, I let

15:20

one of the stylists blow out my hair for CNN.

15:22

I got a call from an executive that same day and

15:25

said, the person said, you found

15:27

your look. Don't change it. Which

15:30

was the straight hair. Which was the straight hair. When I

15:32

was a receptionist over at Good Morning America. What happened? You

15:35

know, I was a receptionist. I knew, you knew.

15:37

One of the worst receptionists they've ever had. I've

15:39

heard that. I had no doubt. Wait, what happened?

15:41

What happened? But I had like an afro sort

15:43

of hair. That's my hair. You have curly Italian hair.

15:45

Yeah. And my hair was actually. That's what you

15:47

I. That was a blow out.

15:49

That's a blow out? That was a blow out.

15:51

No, you had like wingless. So the EP wanted

15:53

me on TV, thought I was funny. And so,

15:55

but they never put me on. And so another

15:57

person over there said, if you had blown your hair

15:59

out. because one day I came in with it

16:02

straightened out, you know, with some Agent Orange I used.

16:04

And he

16:07

said, if you had worn your hair like that, they would have put

16:09

you on television. It's crazy. It's

16:11

really, really scary. It's really, really scary. It's discriminatory.

16:13

Because in my experience, I remember when I was

16:15

at the Department of Defense, I was so conservative,

16:17

because my peers were three and four star generals

16:19

who were 30 years older, so I wore virtually

16:21

no makeup. I pulled my hair back, I wore

16:23

a suit every day. So you, on one hand,

16:25

as a woman to be taken seriously, feel like

16:27

you have to downplay your looks or your youth

16:30

and then in other circumstances, like I was in hair and

16:32

makeup for like two hours today. Same. Some

16:34

is industry dependent, but that was something where I felt

16:36

like showing up in glam would have hurt me. If

16:39

we came out here without makeup, people would be

16:41

scared. Yeah, I believe so. I'm gonna haunt the

16:44

house. I believe so. We have the best glam

16:46

squad in the country. Not

16:48

what we, the rest of us could not wake

16:50

up like this. People be

16:52

like adjusting the screen. What's the

16:54

problem? Well, people always say, how

16:57

come you don't wear makeup? I say,

16:59

who has time? Yeah. I don't have

17:02

two hours to fool around. Either you

17:04

like this or you don't. I

17:06

don't have to be here. I'll be home. But

17:09

that's me. But

17:12

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17:48

Swift had a

17:51

high profile breakup with DJ Calvin Harris

17:53

back in 2015. I don't know

17:55

if you knew that. Now DJ

17:57

is married to radio host, Big

17:59

E. the whole week hope who

18:01

just admitted that see his aim

18:03

for being sales were fat but

18:06

only. Listens to tell a full of. When

18:08

Dj is out the house. And

18:12

so I'm. Supposed to ask you what

18:15

a straight face. Is

18:18

or anything you a boy doing when

18:20

your husband's at home at the hello

18:22

yes, I do

18:24

tell yes I. Don't.

18:27

Need Manny to judge me on my purchases

18:29

and I know I'm on my purchases. Are

18:31

you sneak by and they were illegally and

18:33

he had a whole time. I don't know

18:35

where you Blair I do that are you

18:37

he says is that new. As

18:40

it I once I also take shoes out

18:42

of box month I'm in my bag. It's

18:44

hammering the money or founding if the judgment.

18:46

I don't. why the judgment. I don't like

18:48

being judged. Okay, I don't enjoy own. I

18:50

know that they're so money. Overseas

18:53

for to the same interests have two

18:55

bedrooms. Hi

18:57

I'm Sarah now is he went on the however if.

19:00

You don't have to cheat on each other with

19:03

doing stuff and seek with your in one ramen.

19:05

won't say see if he's watching football on one

19:07

room, I'm watching a Betty Davis movie in the

19:09

other videos that you know you don't have to.

19:13

Not. To bring this back to the topic

19:15

at hand. So it's Calvin Harris who he's a

19:17

D J by. The only thing about this that

19:19

is interesting to me as they had a very

19:21

bad breakup and here with oh Taylor Swift and

19:24

Calvin Harris all that as serious relationship An imperious

19:26

very had Erica songs were we in and it

19:28

with it was tough as opposed to we had

19:30

Taylor Lautner on the show who also briefly dated

19:33

Killer Million years ago in their friends and his

19:35

wife as a big fan. that makes sense to

19:37

me as a serious relationship with my husband. I'm

19:39

not listening your music, I'm not buying your product.

19:42

My know say I. Agree. Wow,

19:44

you have you. Would I be an emetic

19:46

Santana there may be wouldn't do that. I

19:48

like tell us with some dollars into pamphlet

19:50

annulled can't see screwed up My husband. Now

19:54

can I don't care as long as it

19:57

any easier when a lot today? Yeah, I

19:59

mean. Onto the

20:01

house and she can come to the house and

20:03

just say we might have done all four of

20:05

us louder because I'm a i'm out when I

20:07

had a boycott You know, Frank Sinatra present an

20:09

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back. I have been

22:29

a fan of actor artist

22:31

icon just all-round amazing dancer

22:35

actor just just fabulous man

22:37

named Russ Pamplin since I

22:39

was a little kid. And

22:42

he has a new memoir called

22:44

Dancing on the Edge a journey

22:46

of living loving and tumbling through

22:49

Hollywood and it's clear

22:51

that talent is in this

22:53

family's genes because we are

22:55

welcoming not just Russ Pamplin but

22:57

we're welcoming his daughter Amber Tamplin.

23:08

Is it true you've been working on

23:10

this book for 25 years? Yeah I

23:12

mean you know not steady but

23:14

off and on sometimes I would

23:17

go away from it and then I would

23:19

think of a new story or and

23:22

usually Bonnie would my wife Bonnie would write

23:24

it down and say oh you've got to

23:27

put that in the book so I would

23:29

change it and then

23:31

I also I had stories

23:33

in the book that Amber

23:36

did Amber looked and said no dad you

23:38

can't say this. This is inappropriate. In case

23:40

people are not familiar with you know

23:43

Russ Pamplin.

23:48

I am going to tell you what because I was a huge fan

23:50

also just like what

23:54

the new started acting at the age of 10 and

23:57

by 17 you had a contract with MGM

24:00

and you went on to star in some of the most

24:02

iconic musicals ever, Seven

24:04

Brides for Seven Brothers, a fabulous film,

24:06

I never wanted it to end when

24:09

I watched it. Father of the Bride,

24:11

Peyton Place, fabulous. And of course,

24:13

he earned a nomination, an Oscar nomination for

24:15

that, and your biggest role was playing Riff

24:17

in the website

24:19

story. I love, I love,

24:22

I love doing it. So

24:24

I mean, the interesting thing

24:26

is that, Russ, you said that tumbling was your

24:29

main skill, that's what

24:31

got you into these parts. You were tumbling.

24:33

Tell us about that. Well, I used it

24:36

in all the films that I did. If

24:38

I did a Western, I was able to leap

24:41

on the back of a horse and. Wow,

24:43

look at you. Yeah, look

24:46

at that, that was pretty, a

24:49

little foul. Look at you, yeah. I

24:51

gave him an edible before we got here. Yeah. You're

24:58

sorry, I interrupted you. You were able to leap on the

25:00

back of a horse, fight scene. Yeah,

25:02

and on comedies, I could take pratfalls

25:04

and fights and, so

25:07

I used it really a lot. I found

25:09

that acrobatics for an actor. Yeah,

25:11

but you were a great dancer. You were a

25:14

great dancer. Look at you, smart.

25:17

It's all mixed together. It's all mixed

25:19

together. Right. If

25:21

you noticed, I wasn't that, I mean, I

25:23

never studied ballet or anything.

25:26

So when I

25:28

did West Side Story, you'll

25:31

notice that Jerome Robbins gave me

25:33

a lot of strutting to do. I

25:37

was hoping everybody was dancing behind me and

25:39

I was just having

25:41

a good time. Let me see. Well,

25:44

Russ, this book is full of behind

25:46

the scenes stories from your life in

25:48

Hollywood. You like going to school on

25:50

set with Elizabeth Taylor, driving around LA

25:52

with Paul Newman in your trunk. And

25:55

of course, my favorite is teaching Elvis one of

25:57

his most famous dance moves. What can you tell

25:59

us about? that? Well

26:04

I met him. He

26:06

came to my house one day with... Alex

26:10

Romero? No, there was an actor

26:13

I forget who was good

26:15

friends. It's all about Elvis. Anyway

26:18

he brought Elvis back and also

26:20

his whole gang he

26:22

always traveled with all of his cousins

26:24

and so there were about 12 of them

26:26

that pulled up in front of the... I

26:28

had a little beach house and

26:31

so I met him then and I also

26:34

came to visit Alex Romero

26:37

who was the choreographer of JL

26:39

L's Rock and so

26:42

I went to see Alex and see how he

26:44

was doing and and and

26:48

saw Elvis again and I hung out with

26:50

him a lot. I went to movies with

26:53

him and he'd always... the

26:55

limos would pull up in front of the

26:57

theater and everybody would get out and

27:00

form a line. Did

27:02

you teach him those pelvic moves? Yeah. I don't know

27:04

about that about going in the green room. Yeah that's

27:07

what happened on the set is that

27:09

Elvis said can I see it for

27:11

a minute? You see what he's doing

27:13

now. He couldn't

27:15

tumble. He couldn't really tumble.

27:18

No but you were responsible for the pelvic

27:20

moves. He was

27:23

like, I'm gonna get my legs out. This is

27:25

one of my favorite stories from when I was

27:27

a little girl and there was a period of

27:30

time where my dad was trying to teach me

27:32

how to tumble and do backflips and I was

27:34

not good at those things. I was like, I'm

27:36

gonna be a poet. One

27:41

of the things that's so amazing about that story

27:43

is that Elvis came to the green room or

27:45

came you know you came backstage and he was

27:47

like oh Russ you know what do you think

27:49

you have any any advice and tell them what

27:51

your advice was to him. Well it was mainly

27:54

he did it anyway he did his

27:56

legs but I got him to snap

27:58

them more and That's basically

28:00

a move. And that made him

28:02

a move. That move where he's really snapping

28:05

that lampet. Wow. Yeah,

28:08

you can see him. That was good

28:10

advice. Yeah. Right? It

28:12

became a signature move. It was a signature move,

28:14

basically. It did. Yeah. Trademarked that.

28:16

Now, Amber, you grew up hearing some

28:19

of these stories from your dad, but

28:21

did reading this book give you a better understanding of

28:24

who he is and his life experiences? Because you even

28:26

had to kind of edit it, right? Yeah,

28:28

I mean, it was such a huge

28:31

process to craft the

28:33

stories and put them together. Because as

28:35

you said, Whoopi, it's just a joy

28:37

that there's so, so much. It's

28:39

really a singular life and a kind of life that

28:41

we don't see much anymore in

28:43

the entertainment business where you have someone who

28:45

is such a multi-hyphenate in all of the

28:47

different things that they do. And

28:50

so we worked with this

28:52

incredible co-writer, Sarah Tomlinson, a brilliant

28:54

writer. And it was sort

28:56

of like a family endeavor between my mom

28:58

who's sitting here in the front row. Yay!

29:01

So amazing. Yay! So cool. So

29:04

awesome. Awesome. And

29:06

also just because we know that behind every

29:08

great man is a greater woman. Yeah. We're

29:13

a partner. And so

29:15

for me, it was just a joy to

29:17

have it really feel like it was a

29:19

family experience of also all sort of like

29:21

saying, oh, remember this story you used to

29:23

tell? Remember about living on Dennis

29:25

Popper's couch in Topanga Canyon and Neil Young

29:27

when he was in the backseat of your

29:30

car writing this particular song. And he's like,

29:32

oh yeah. I do

29:34

remember that. It's like an easy life,

29:36

man. Pretty cool. It's kind of extraordinary,

29:38

because you did something people think about

29:41

doing, talk about doing, but you actually

29:43

did it. At the height of your

29:45

career, you made the decision to give it

29:47

up to pursue not only your love of

29:49

art, but

29:51

you moved to Topanga Canyon in LA,

29:54

and you were at the forefront

29:56

of a lot of the Bohemian artists

29:59

movement there. And you

30:02

were always an artist, but you

30:05

felt like it wasn't feeding you. The

30:08

acting wasn't feeding you the way you wanted it. Well,

30:11

you can't get older and continue to tumble like

30:13

that. No, no, but I

30:16

think he left a little earlier than we're talking

30:18

about. Oh, really? Earlier? Yeah, I

30:20

guess so. Yeah,

30:22

it wasn't, you know, he... So...

30:28

Where are you? We were talking about your

30:30

art. Yeah, well... You

30:32

decided to pursue that. I

30:34

got into fine art as

30:37

opposed to the performing

30:39

arts. And the difference,

30:41

I always explained it as in

30:43

the performing arts, you do

30:46

whatever you can to make the

30:48

audience's head spin. But in

30:50

fine art, you do whatever you can to make

30:52

your own head spin. Wow, very important. And

30:56

it doesn't matter, I found, in

31:01

fine art, it doesn't really matter, at

31:03

least to me, in a lot of artists I

31:06

knew, they just... They

31:09

don't need anybody to give them compliments

31:12

about their art. I

31:15

always say, with a fine art, all

31:17

you have to do is just look at it. Yeah,

31:20

it makes you feel. But in performing

31:22

arts, a lot of actors

31:25

and performers say, are

31:27

really interested in reading reviews and everything,

31:30

but in fine art, you don't need it.

31:34

Well, you know what, this was way too short.

31:38

I waited 60 years

31:41

for this. That's right.

31:44

I'm 60 years old. Wow.

31:51

I blame Russ Chamblin

31:54

for whoopee go over. I blame

31:56

Russ Chamblin for everything. can.

32:03

Can I be? Whoopi

32:05

Tamblin Goldberg. We're

32:08

in the family. You're in it. Love it. Listen,

32:10

thank you both for coming. This

32:12

is extraordinary wonderful. The new book,

32:14

Dancing on the Edge is out today. And you know

32:17

what, y'all? You are

32:19

each and every one of you. Welcome

32:42

back. Lauren Wesley Wilson is

32:44

the visionary, founder and CEO

32:48

of ColorCom, a business that's

32:50

empowering women of color in

32:52

the workforce. Now she's expanding

32:55

her vision in the new book, What Do

32:57

You Need? Please welcome

32:59

Lauren Wesley Wilson. So,

33:04

you've been 14 years building

33:07

this community to champion and

33:10

guide professional women who look

33:12

like us. And now you've written this book

33:15

and I need you to say, what inspired

33:17

you to write it? And

33:20

the title, the title.

33:22

Yeah. Getting people's attention. Yeah. So

33:24

I decided to write this book called What

33:26

Do You Need? Because I want women to start

33:28

asking the question of ourselves and to

33:31

others, what do you need? How often do

33:33

we go in the workplace? And we don't even ask ourselves,

33:35

what do we need to be successful there? So

33:37

there are several things that we need to

33:39

excel in the workplace. We need to be

33:41

seen, valued, respected,

33:44

heard and understood and most

33:46

importantly, compensated for us

33:48

to do our best work. And for

33:51

us to not

33:53

quiet quit. Compensated.

33:55

I like the sound of that. Now

33:57

you're speaking from personal experience, right? You've been. fired.

34:01

You've been the first and only woman of

34:03

color at your workplace. Mm-hmm. Check. You've been

34:06

a successful entrepreneur. Yes. You say it's not

34:08

enough to just be good at your

34:10

job. Why is it not just enough just to

34:12

be good at your job? We

34:15

have to participate in the culture. I'm

34:18

not saying assimilate, I'm saying participate. So

34:20

when I got fired from my first job, one of

34:22

the things that they told me that I was not

34:24

a good culture fit. Oh. Yeah. Spanish

34:27

for once. Yeah. Essentially

34:29

you're saying you don't belong here

34:31

and why. And years later I

34:34

realized, did I participate in the culture? When

34:36

all of branches were extended to me, I

34:38

remember there's one instance that I talk about in

34:40

my book when I got extended and invited to

34:43

an ice hockey game by my co-workers. Yeah. And I turned

34:45

them down and I said, you know what, I'm not really

34:47

that interested in ice hockey. I'm not gonna go. And

34:49

what I missed out on was an opportunity to

34:52

get to know my co-workers

34:54

outside of when decisions were being

34:56

made. It's like networking. Yeah. Networking

34:58

with your co-workers. You have to

35:00

participate in the culture if you

35:02

want to advance. Employers and

35:04

leaders, they don't want people just coming to

35:07

work, checking the box and going home. They

35:09

want people involved, engaged and excited to work

35:11

there. That's right. You also, when it comes

35:14

to climbing the corporate ladder, you say that

35:16

you should seek out a godmother or a

35:18

godfather, not Al Pacino. Not Al

35:20

Pacino. I mean, or a rabbi, we

35:22

used to call them a rabbi. Yes. A father, a

35:24

rabbi who will basically give you, protect

35:27

you a little bit. Absolutely. So that's for

35:29

the advance. So we know about mentors who

35:31

help you in your day-to-day career. We are

35:34

learning about sponsors who help advocate for you

35:36

about opportunities when you're not in the room.

35:38

Godmothers and godfathers, they're the cream of the

35:40

crop. They're the ones you can pick up

35:42

the phone and they can expedite your career

35:45

and save you 10 years off your professional

35:47

journey. How do you get them to do

35:49

that? They may be not interested to help

35:51

you. Well, first you have to develop the

35:53

relationship, right? So it starts with being involved.

35:55

It starts with joining organizations, being on boards,

35:57

being on committees, having a reason to even reach out.

36:00

to these people and you wanna

36:02

provide maybe a potential opportunity for them and in

36:04

turn they can help you. Now this is something

36:06

that takes years to cultivate. So it's not something

36:08

that's gonna happen overnight. Yeah. We'll see,

36:11

you're probably a godmother to some actors. You can

36:13

stop the one who has a heart. Yeah.

36:16

Yeah. Stop that one. Absolutely. And it

36:18

has the political capital and we'll spend it on you. But

36:20

it does take a lot. Good point. Yeah. No,

36:22

and I was saying, we have a lot of young actors on

36:25

the show who could tell see Whoopi as a godmother because she's

36:27

invested in them and they first invested in you and sought out

36:29

your help. Yeah. So it's so important. You

36:32

debunk the idea that you need to bring

36:34

your whole self to work. Yes. I

36:36

very much agree with this. Explain it. So we've been

36:38

hearing for years, bring your full self to work.

36:40

Everybody says, bring your full self to work. We

36:43

should be bringing the best parts of

36:45

ourselves to work initially because

36:47

we need to be able to connect with our coworkers

36:49

on shared interests, on books,

36:52

on movies, on television shows. When

36:54

we hear the term bring your full self

36:56

to work, people think that means everything. Drama,

36:58

relationship issues, you're divorced. I mean, it's a

37:00

mess. We don't need to hear the mess.

37:03

Over time, your coworkers will begin to learn

37:05

about your life moments, but you don't

37:07

want to bring that to the table to start. I

37:10

agree. So earlier in the show, we were

37:12

talking about, hot topics about a woman going viral

37:14

on TikTok because she didn't have makeup on and

37:16

she was turned down for a job. We

37:19

know that appearance is very important

37:21

in this society, that even babies

37:23

are more loved when they're

37:25

pretty, which is really sick. But,

37:28

and certainly what you look like in the workplace

37:30

has a lot to do with your success. It

37:32

just happens to be a fact. And

37:34

so this woman went to work, even

37:37

though completely prepared without makeup and she

37:39

didn't get the job. What do

37:41

you think about that? Well, I think a lot of

37:43

things about that. I could be stepping

37:45

in. So what I think

37:47

about that is this. So I interview a lot of people.

37:49

And so I think that during the interview process, we have

37:52

to bring our Sundays best. So we

37:54

really need to go look at the environment that

37:56

we're trying to get that job. How does

37:58

everyone around us look? So

38:00

if the environment calls to be more dressed up,

38:02

we might wanna step it up. If it calls

38:04

to- So you think she should have worn makeup? Well.

38:08

It sort of sounds like everybody else is wearing

38:10

it. Makeup wouldn't have hurt, it wouldn't have hurt.

38:12

Know that you don't typically do it. Why start

38:14

for that? Maybe you should start for that day. If

38:17

you want the job and everyone around you tends to be

38:19

wearing makeup, no one says you have to be in full

38:21

glam, but maybe that would have helped.

38:24

A little blush, couldn't hurt, a lipstick. It couldn't

38:26

hurt. But maybe that wasn't her. Yeah, maybe. And

38:28

I think a lot of people- You seem like

38:30

you want the job. Well, but I think we

38:32

have to reteach people that

38:34

it isn't what we look

38:36

like here because oftentimes

38:39

we would never get the job because

38:41

of what we look like. Absolutely. Well, I

38:43

told you I didn't get a job also because

38:45

of my hair. So it's a fine line. You

38:48

wanna be authentic to yourself. And as you mentioned,

38:50

you don't wear makeup and come in as yourself.

38:52

It's a fine line. Yeah, but I'm dressed to

38:54

the nines when I need to. Exactly.

38:57

Or to the seven. Don't

38:59

let me lie. Well, today diversity,

39:01

equity and inclusion programs are being gutted

39:03

all across the country. We've

39:06

seen that. What kind of impact do you

39:08

see that having on a

39:10

macro level, and

39:13

how can we all make sure women of color find

39:15

their seat at the table despite the

39:17

cutting of all of these programs? We need

39:19

to repackage what DEI means. DEI

39:22

is about understanding difference at its

39:24

core. It is essential as

39:26

a business imperative because if we understand difference,

39:28

we can better work together. We're

39:30

more productive. We're meeting business objectives. If

39:32

there's conflict in the workplace, we

39:35

are not meeting business needs and objectives. If Bob

39:37

said something to me two weeks ago and I'm

39:39

holding on to that, and I'm now not meeting

39:42

those deadlines, I am slowing down the workforce

39:44

where I work. We really need to

39:46

understand difference to be able to work together and

39:48

meet the needs of the company. Can I bring

39:51

something up? Yeah. Because it occurs

39:53

to me that when we talk about DEI,

39:57

DEI. DEI. Yeah. that

40:01

we have to remind people, particularly

40:03

women, you are

40:05

part of DEI. Regardless

40:08

of what color you are, you

40:10

are part of that because there

40:13

was no room for you here. So

40:16

when they're talking about getting rid of these

40:18

programs, they're talking about getting rid of

40:21

your programs as well as women,

40:24

you know? And you

40:26

have to keep that in mind in order to

40:28

understand what's being done. Because

40:31

if they're killing off,

40:34

trying to kill us off by saying, you know,

40:36

it's not important, they can't get stuff, they can't

40:38

have kids without us. I

40:42

mean, you can't. But

40:44

we can have kids without them.

40:47

Yes we can, yes? Oh,

40:49

so you want me to say this? Yeah. Thank

40:54

you for coming. Thank

40:56

you for having me, it's been great. It's

40:58

wonderful, and you have to come back because

41:00

this is information people need to have.

41:03

The new book is called What Do

41:05

You Need? It's available now, and

41:07

guess what y'all, you all are sold.

41:09

So let's watch, we'll see if you guys

41:11

are getting a copy of this book today.

41:14

That's right. So

41:16

you can help figure out what you need.

41:18

We'll be right back. Hey,

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Kirsten Dunne, Kayleigh Heaney, and

42:39

Bob Nomura talk about joining

42:41

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42:43

new movie, Civil War. Okay,

42:49

so people always ask

42:51

us all what is the best thing about New York? And

42:53

I say theater is one of the great things about New

42:56

York. And so I went to

42:58

see Cabaret last night, which is in previews.

43:00

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43:02

Newworth. It is brilliant. It's into

43:04

actors. You can sit there and order wine

43:06

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43:08

have a great day to take a little

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time to enjoy the view. We'll see you tomorrow.