1:58

Absolutely

2:00

full right up to the front of my eyes

2:03

with bitterness that I didn't stay

2:05

and see that game Even if I had

2:08

got a ticket Charlie and Tim you were

2:10

there in person What

2:12

did you make of it? Overall and

2:14

really we can cut to what did you make of the

2:16

last 15 minutes really can't wait Charlie?

2:19

Yeah, I don't

2:20

Well, I didn't there's anything there's only few

2:22

things sweeter than a Turning

2:25

a defeat into victory with a couple

2:27

of late goals. It's an incredible feeling

2:30

having that and there's always that thing When you get one, there's

2:32

just this feeling of never to but you know, we're gonna do it We're

2:34

gonna get another one and it really felt like that throw

2:37

in the fact to do it against the team That's been time wasting

2:40

like Sheffield United had and so the

2:42

only reason that you were playing so late was

2:44

as a direct consequence Of their time wasting

2:47

and it was just to have joy

2:49

mixed with shard and froyder It's just

2:51

an amazing cocktail and that's

2:53

what Saturday was it really doesn't get

2:56

much better than that, you know So that hence

2:58

the wild celebrations. It doesn't matter who you're playing

3:00

because also You you start

3:02

to hate the opposition so much

3:04

you start to hate players that you probably haven't heard of before

3:07

that day with such A burning passion

3:09

and then to have that release is yes

3:12

Just what being football fans all about gives them a metaphorical

3:14

slap round the back of the head is a great joy Isn't

3:17

it when they're being full for time wasted before

3:19

they've taken the lead Tim what did

3:21

you make of it? Because that you know, you're You're

3:25

not that, you know, I haven't been a regular

3:27

Spurs correspondent now you're fully indoctrinated

3:30

in the in the true way What

3:32

about the stadium after the first goal went

3:35

in the limbs were insane actually

3:37

I love the Ricciardo Scott because I don't think

3:40

a lot of the people in the stadium knew who scored Because

3:42

he didn't sort of linger and celebrate on

3:44

his own He was sort of you know back to center circle

3:47

and was huddled straight away because he's gonna win the

3:49

game course Yeah, exactly and then and

3:51

then his picture came up and they said who'd scored

3:53

on the on the screen and on the speaker system

3:56

And it was the cheer was as loud

3:58

as for the goal. Really? Everyone was so so

4:00

happy with the identity of the goal scorer. And

4:02

then obviously the winner, the Limbs and the Sad Sand

4:05

were just crazy and the celebrations

4:07

lasted a good sort of at least

4:09

five minutes. There was nobody leaving after

4:11

full time with the players

4:13

and then post a cold glue. And then, I mean,

4:16

I left the stadium like an hour and a half

4:18

after full time and they were still singing in the

4:20

streets. They still stood

4:22

outside the pubs. They still queue in to

4:25

get into Chick King. People are smiling.

4:28

And it was similar after the Man United game,

4:30

but

4:30

you don't expect it for Chef United at home as well.

4:32

So yeah, really, you can feel

4:34

it. You can really feel it when you're in the stadium.

4:37

It's one thing watching it and talking about

4:39

it. And yes, Spurs are great and Spurs are different, but you

4:41

can feel something transforming

4:44

and a bit of a revolution happening. It's quite powerful to be

4:46

honest.

4:46

And Natalie, I don't think you were

4:49

there, but let's talk about the wider

4:51

issues surrounding Richarlison who, as you say,

4:53

you know. But

4:56

watching him get the equaliser

4:58

and then assisting the winner, after

5:01

the... Never mind the months

5:03

he's had, after the week he'd had with

5:06

the disallowed goal for Brazil and the rest of

5:08

it. I mean, it must have been... Well,

5:10

what did you make of the fact that it was Richarlison who turned

5:12

the game for Spurs?

5:14

Oh, it's such a great story. I really...

5:16

I think I've said

5:18

this before. I really like Richarlison because he's

5:21

such a lovely guy. And I know sometimes

5:23

he comes across very differently. But when

5:25

I saw that his quarter goal, I instantly

5:27

thought he really had this power

5:30

of turning adversity to

5:33

his favour. And we've seen this happening

5:36

throughout his career in other moments, but we

5:38

haven't seen it much at first.

5:40

At first, things were different. He

5:42

didn't seem comfortable

5:45

or confident. And we think

5:47

that that's been happening in his personal life.

5:50

And after everything that he said and

5:52

just... You see how

5:55

passion can really have an effect on

5:58

his game, either if it's upon the... a positive

6:00

effect or a negative effect. He's a very

6:02

emotional guy. So when

6:04

he gives the interview after international

6:07

break and he talks about his struggles, it's

6:10

all very spontaneous. And he's

6:12

this type of guy. He's very, he's

6:14

very spontaneous. And

6:16

when you see the goal and you

6:19

kind of see that switch, you know,

6:21

the passion coming and all

6:24

the feelings, he just leaves everything

6:26

on the pitch. And I really like this

6:29

from him because you can see this, this all the

6:31

time. If you speak to him, if you interview

6:33

him, if you see him play and

6:35

I hope he can have

6:37

more of these moments of turning this, this

6:40

fire that he has into something

6:42

positive. Yeah,

6:43

we'll talk more about what's happened to him with you

6:46

in a few minutes time. One personal

6:48

thing about it, the,

6:51

the spur of celebrations at the end work, never

6:53

mind the limbs on the pitch. They were quite

6:55

insane as well. And of

6:57

course that meant on social media, look

6:59

at Spurs celebrating like they've

7:01

won the Champions League. Do shut

7:04

up, shut your fat faces, every one

7:06

of you. Listen, not

7:08

only had we'd never seen this before

7:10

in English football, an equalizer and a

7:12

winner so late into a game and ignore

7:15

the fact that in fact the Spurs were breaking

7:17

their own record for this Leicester 18 months

7:20

ago. All that proves of course that

7:22

Spurs keep going sometimes and that

7:24

they're often behind towards the ends of the game. So

7:26

it's not that, but the rest of you shut

7:28

up. I mean, it's only a minority. I don't

7:30

know that much celebration policing was there.

7:32

Oh, I saw that. Maybe I, it's

7:34

more in my timeline then perhaps, Charlie,

7:37

because you know, people want to needle me about

7:39

it really. And they have done and

7:42

you know, let people support the club

7:44

whatever way they want. Hello, Potsa

7:46

Koglu said much the same thing afterwards

7:48

about being overconfident. And

7:50

I'm going to say something that I promised myself I wouldn't say on the

7:52

podcast, because real life

7:55

and football are slightly different things. But in

7:57

the court, anyone who falls on Twitter will know in the course of the

7:59

last week. I have lost not one

8:01

but two people. They weren't very

8:04

close friends. They were work colleagues One

8:07

of them 35 years of age. She got a brain tumor

8:09

and died in Matt in Madi on hope who I did a show with 6 to 7 10

8:13

9 years ago. She was absolutely wonderful And

8:15

so it reminded me and Jilo

8:17

Jelska brothers used to work at transport for years a

8:20

shuffle off small coil Look if

8:22

you need reminding these are the things that remind

8:24

you the good things in life are

8:27

not guarantees They're not always permanent.

8:29

So for God's sake, you know Open

8:31

the open the top of the bottle and let it out Enjoy

8:34

things while you can because the rest of it the stuff that will slap

8:36

me down It will be along as sure as

8:39

the next German train. It will be

8:41

absolutely as reliably along as that So

8:44

allow everyone else to support the club how they want

8:46

their own club and if they over celebrate It's

8:48

okay. You should enjoy that if you're one of those think look

8:50

at them oversell of enjoy it because next week We'll

8:53

wake up. We'll wake up to spurs will stop

8:55

their toe fall flat on their face and you can

8:57

enjoy that Can I say so then it was one of those

8:59

games? I've had this conversation with people before

9:02

but where you just think imagine not having football

9:04

in your life Because it can it

9:06

can do this to you and I

9:08

didn't I just I honestly I'm just so

9:11

grateful to have it And I do it like there's

9:13

only God What else can

9:15

you know an experience like that again

9:18

for something seemingly so run-of-the-mill a home game against

9:20

Jeffrey? United which would seem so as

9:22

if you know hence your decision would have seemed a

9:24

smart one in a way not to go to That game because

9:27

you know you have to shove it at home You're thinking it's

9:29

hardly gonna be this sort of like amazing out

9:31

of body experience and yet you you

9:33

know It just does things to you I'm sure there were so

9:35

many fans who still when they went to bed couldn't

9:38

sleep because the adrenaline still Cursing

9:40

through them and adrenaline chicken and

9:42

lager. Yeah But yeah,

9:45

it's just an amazing thing So

9:48

you might you make you make a very pertinent point

9:50

of course these feelings that Spurs fans enjoyed

9:52

this week Someone else will get next week and

9:54

it makes the game unique and

9:56

I added to that I think Tim is

9:59

the fact that The English Premier League obviously

10:03

managed to sit in one or two others a way, way ahead,

10:06

but still the teams at the bottom can

10:08

threaten the better teams. Every

10:12

game is a possibility of something amazing

10:14

happening. I mean, Sheffield United fans would have

10:16

had a brilliant day if their

10:19

totally undeserved goal

10:22

had won them the game. I think the Premier

10:24

League still does that as well as almost any league

10:26

in the world. The German, the Bundesliga, the

10:29

bottom teams do have a goal as well. Certainly they had

10:31

more of a goal than Sheffield United had.

10:33

Everybody except Luton can do something down the way by the look

10:35

of things. I was impressed

10:37

with Sheffield United actually. They had their moment

10:39

as well. Their celebrations,

10:42

we talked about celebrations, theirs for the opening

10:44

goal, which was scored right in front of them, they

10:47

were something special. I don't know what their emotions

10:49

would have been travelling home, but they would have had an amazing day up

10:51

until the 96th minute and certainly not what they were

10:53

expecting either. I know a lot more

10:55

about Sheffield United than they did before the game. I was saying to Charlie

10:58

in the opening minutes, I know

11:00

as little about Sheffield United as any other Premier League

11:02

team I think. But by the end, you knew all

11:05

about Ollie McBurney's traffic light boots

11:07

and Wes Foderingham's spoiling tactics

11:10

and yeah, interesting game, very

11:12

interesting game, learned a lot. We should say as well,

11:14

Danny, that we're not for this new directive

11:17

about clamping down on time wasting. In seasons gone

11:19

by, even

11:20

with that same amount of time wasting, there was

11:22

a sort of unwritten rule that you just don't get more than seven

11:25

minutes, maybe eight maximums. So they

11:28

wouldn't have won this game. Maybe they could have drawn if it

11:30

had been a very generous referee back in

11:32

the day. But yeah, otherwise we'd be sat

11:34

here talking about a game that ended after 96

11:37

minutes and I suppose we've lost one now.

11:39

And I mean, Paul Heck in Boston, of course he was disappointed

11:42

going on about it and other

11:44

things. So the refereeing wasn't great. The

11:46

Madison penalty incident was stupid

11:48

and the VAR, what are they doing there for? Well

11:51

the time wasting thing, it strikes me, is

11:53

I can't think of a more

11:56

welcome directive from the administrators

11:58

of football. People

12:01

are paying huge amounts of money to watch football,

12:04

to see teams deliberately denying them

12:06

the ball in play. For instance, that's one

12:08

of the ways you time waste. Never

12:10

mind you trying to close down the opposition, but you're actually denying

12:13

playing time. Honestly, it's

12:16

like you paid 100 quid to go to the theatre to see

12:18

Shakespeare and they only

12:21

do the first two acts. That's enough for us, thanks.

12:24

I'm sure you enjoyed that. It was just great thing.

12:26

Down comes the curtain. No one

12:28

would tolerate that. It's the theatre of God in flames.

12:31

Spoiler tactics for some of the extras. Oh

12:34

yeah, and doing the soliloquy really,

12:36

really slowly. Friends,

12:39

Romans, and the referee walks towards

12:41

the soliloquy. Countryman just

12:44

in time to avoid a yellow card. Nasti,

12:46

what are you... I mean, we don't get a chance to

12:48

talk to you that often, but

12:51

you've seen football in, obviously,

12:53

in other countries as well. The

12:57

mania that surrounds English

12:59

football, the supporters, I

13:01

think, are what makes it. Because

13:04

the Spurs fans were going crazy

13:06

after a routine win,

13:08

you could argue, at Sheffield United. What's

13:10

been your experience of the way English football is? It's

13:12

very interesting,

13:13

because especially this season with

13:15

the added time and the

13:17

longer matches, I find it really

13:19

funny how fans are already

13:22

adapting very quickly. You

13:24

get extra time. You get like six, seven

13:26

minutes and you hear fans saying, oh,

13:29

mowing, and just, what? Only

13:31

six minutes? Only seven minutes? What's

13:33

happening with that? And we've seen this happen

13:36

in so many matches. And I

13:38

find it very interesting how here in England,

13:42

time wasting is really a

13:44

thing. It's really

13:46

a problem. It's an issue. Because

13:49

for South Americans, it's very, very

13:52

annoying in common. Especially

13:54

when you play Libertadores,

13:56

the confidential tournament, and

13:59

arguing. They're really good in time wasting.

14:03

So you grow up getting used

14:04

to it. No, of course not. No,

14:07

we're still learning.

14:09

We're still learning. We know

14:11

nothing about that.

14:12

So no, really,

14:15

we really got used to it. We

14:17

grow up getting used to time wasting.

14:19

And I find it really nice

14:21

that they're actually trying to do something about

14:23

it. But the reaction of the fans

14:26

and everything that comes after. So

14:28

that was at Arsenal Men United before

14:30

the international rank. And we had goals on extra

14:33

time as well. And now that

14:36

match, first Sheffield United,

14:39

it could be a flat match. But

14:41

we had 12 extra minutes. And

14:43

then it turned into this. And

14:46

it's really interesting to see because

14:48

Sheffield United, they

14:50

made things really hard for Man

14:53

City before. So they clearly have

14:55

a plan for this kind of matches. And

14:57

for this kind of situation. And

15:00

it was working until Minute 98. So,

15:03

yeah.

15:04

I mean,

15:06

it's really interesting as well, like what

15:08

it does now for managers,

15:11

re-things like their substitutions. Because

15:13

PostoCogli didn't make a change through the 80th minute. And

15:16

I think a lot of the fans and media were thinking, why

15:20

is he leaving it so late? This is crazy. But

15:22

I asked him afterwards how conscious he

15:24

was that there was going to be a load of injury

15:26

time. Because it's quite important to know that. And

15:29

he said, yes, he was. He had a sense it

15:31

would be about 10 minutes, even

15:33

at that point. So those players were back getting 20

15:35

minutes game time. Yeah, kind of. Which

15:37

is a really big difference, isn't it? Because if you're a fan

15:39

and it's the 70th minute versus the 80th minute,

15:42

you're going to be a lot, you're going to be very

15:44

different in terms of how like answer you are about no

15:46

subs. So I think we're going to have to get

15:48

used to this as supporters and as

15:50

journalists. Because it was really weird.

15:52

The board goes up and it's 12 minutes. I'm

15:55

thinking, God, it's actually like the 78th minute. That's

15:58

not that late. There

16:00

is like well you see lots of games one

16:02

from 75th many onwards. Yeah, yeah,

16:04

so yeah Brilliant

16:07

it does change the picture I would just say one other

16:10

thing and this was something Tim and I talked about

16:12

Kind of when I think when 12 went up

16:15

you do slightly have to question how well How

16:18

much control a referee has had on it if

16:20

you're having to add on another 12 minutes?

16:22

I mean referees have yellow cards

16:25

They have that deterrent. I

16:27

do wonder why they don't use them more Well

16:30

the the the foddering one was ridiculous child

16:32

because he got he got booked for a handball in the

16:34

first half He didn't actually get booked for time wasted

16:36

I know all the time wasted did which was a lot

16:39

and he would a hundred percent have been but

16:41

if he had been But yeah, I'm born the first off. So that was so

16:43

the reference Charlie strikes me. Yes, very sorry Tim

16:46

The the yellow cards not being handed out because they're always

16:48

afraid to give out yellow cards Okay, she ended up six against

16:50

seven, but they clearly being told how

16:53

much added time to put on We don't have official

16:55

time keepers, but they are being told

16:57

I don't think the referees are deciding 12 minutes.

16:59

They've been told us Absolutely. Yeah,

17:02

but even more supports the point because it's

17:04

basically, you know, it's like you're superior

17:06

saying yeah I'm afraid to say there's

17:08

been so much time wasted which is You

17:11

know kind of plays Taking

17:14

the piss a little bit and we're going to

17:16

need an extra almost 30% of the half But

17:20

the sub psychological thing here is that

17:22

it you know, in my mind I think a good the

17:24

team that's doing the time wasting is being punished

17:27

here So the other cards are getting 12 extra

17:29

minutes But of course you're gonna get a situation

17:31

where the team that's been time wasting

17:33

suddenly finds themselves behind and they'll

17:35

be rewarded By the extra time

17:38

but you can't make that moral judgment. They're wasting

17:40

the time. Therefore they won't get it So my stock tree

17:42

mid-flight a beg your pardon No,

17:45

no, I was just gonna have a bit bit of a rant about the referee

17:47

to be honest because it was one of many Decisions

17:49

that he got that he got right. Let me say one other thing in the interest

17:51

of fairness We're

17:53

all being I was being critical of Sheffield United

17:56

in the way they played I don't see

17:58

how that's insane for their fans Of course, they nearly got

18:00

away with it, but Spurs fans, we

18:03

don't need to be getting on about Sheffield United. There's

18:05

lots of people, again, we're doing in real time because

18:07

that's exactly how Spurs played for the last three

18:09

years. Let's not forget that very

18:11

quickly. That sitting on the edge of our box

18:14

and hoping to get something from a set piece was exactly

18:16

how Spurs have played and failed

18:18

to entertain people over the last three years. So no room for criticism

18:21

here. I think that's a little harsh. There's

18:23

a bit of revisionism with content.

18:26

A bit? I'm all for it. I'm

18:29

airbrushing them out of history. Totally rewriting history.

18:31

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. But,

18:33

mate, why would I go in for a bit? No, you're all right. To

18:35

be absolutely scrupulously fair, there

18:38

was the end of the last two months of the season

18:40

before last where they played some decent stuff. There.

18:43

Is that true? Does that help? Yeah,

18:45

that goes somewhere. Yeah. Yeah,

18:48

but he's the revision police. I don't like that.

18:51

Tim, just give us a run through, reasonably

18:54

quickly, because I'm sure everyone's watched the game now, at least the highlights, 20

18:56

times. Who were the stars

18:58

for Spurs? Rachaela Senn's late back,

19:01

which will come onto him in a second notwithstanding.

19:03

Yeah, Rachaela Senn. I thought Kuleszewski stepped up

19:06

a little bit. I mean, it's his fault for the goal.

19:08

So it was a bit of redemption, actually, for the

19:11

winner for him. It

19:13

was a bit more of a... It was a frustrating afternoon, Danny,

19:15

by all accounts. I thought Madison was

19:18

shut down a bit in the second half, which played a

19:20

big part. You know, Chef United's tactics,

19:23

you know, five at the back, deep-lying

19:25

defence, particularly in the second half. But

19:28

to be honest, the game went pretty much as expected, because

19:30

Chef United have conceded the most shots in the Premier

19:32

League this season, and Spurs have had the most shots.

19:34

So you expected that. You expected a frustrating

19:37

afternoon. And

19:40

in true view from the lane fashion,

19:42

I did suggest

19:44

as much last week, Danny, you'll remember that

19:47

Rachaela Senn, it was sort of the game for him to

19:49

come on, and it was more suited to him. I

19:51

thought Spurs found it a bit frustrating in terms

19:53

of Senn, didn't get much space in behind the

19:55

defence, which again, you'd expect. And

19:58

most of the shots were going to their mid-game. Fielders, Busumu

20:01

and Saar, whose like goal scoring record

20:03

is a slight concern really, they don't look like naturals

20:05

in front of the goal. So yeah, I would say from

20:07

a Spurs point of view, I did think that they let

20:10

Sheffield United's tactics and the referee

20:12

sort of go to their heads a little bit and they lost clarity

20:14

of thought in the second half and their patterns of attack

20:17

were a bit muddled and yeah,

20:19

I was expecting changes from Postock Hoggley. They came

20:21

late, they came after the goal. I was expecting,

20:23

I know we talked earlier about the amount of stoppage time but I

20:26

was expecting them earlier than that because Spurs just looked

20:28

like they lacked clarity of

20:30

thought and were desperate, starting to get

20:32

a bit desperate. They were trying to win penalties and

20:36

you couldn't see it coming for a period

20:38

of time. Well, you didn't get the penalty for Madison,

20:40

you're not going to get a for diving are you? Yeah,

20:42

exactly. Yeah, they were going down far too easily after

20:45

that but yeah, it was an afternoon for

20:47

patience as it turned out an awful lot. First of all, because

20:49

Natalie is a stranger to the part, although

20:51

a very welcome stranger, 21 minutes

20:54

there, Natalie, before somebody said, now, I

20:56

was right about this. It's the absolute

20:59

trademark. He was

20:59

right about Richard, an absolute trademark of

21:02

the podcast. I was right. Although I did tell

21:04

Natalie before we started recording what I'm

21:06

about to say, which is taking credit and I'm glad 10

21:08

team me up so I wasn't the first one to do

21:10

it. But Dan Kilpatrick will back me up here.

21:12

If he doesn't, he's bullshitting. When

21:15

Perrisic went to take the corner, I said

21:18

to Dan, suppose you're going to score here near Post-Hedda,

21:20

which is what happened. And he then looked at me in

21:23

that way. You know that Henri and Carriga

21:25

thing that had where he puts his hand on his knee

21:27

and Carriga looks really weirdly at the camera. It

21:29

reminded me of that look from Dan. It's like, oh

21:32

my God. Sorry you did. Sorry, yes. Sure you

21:34

said that.

21:36

I didn't say anything of this sort, but I've

21:38

been thinking it. One of the ways that you have

21:40

to replace Kane's

21:43

prodigious output is with expertise.

21:45

And what I mean by that is people have

21:47

got to do the things they're very good at. And the equalizer

21:50

was Perrisic, who was his detractors,

21:54

but he can kick a dead boy. He's

21:56

a brilliant deliverer of football. And

21:58

it went to a place where defenders would

22:00

not want it. And then you have to have somebody who can head

22:02

a football. Everybody heads

22:04

the ball, but then there are people who are good at actually

22:07

heading it. And Rachael is one of those.

22:09

Again, we've not seen enough of that because the Premier

22:11

League doesn't go for headed goals. And so you've got one

22:14

piece of expertise added to another piece of expertise.

22:17

And that I suppose is going to need a lot of those in

22:19

the course of the next nine months to make

22:21

up, as I say, for the output that we're getting from Kane. Also,

22:23

we should give Natalie her due because the two

22:26

times she's come with us has come has

22:28

scored at home for Spurs have followed us saying to

22:30

Natalie, can you come on the pod

22:35

following the game? It can't be a

22:37

coincidence. He knows

22:39

he needs to turn it on. So she has nice things to say

22:41

about it. Yeah. Well, let's

22:44

turn to that because otherwise we're wasting

22:46

Natalie and that would be a shame. And

22:48

we'll talk about Post or Coggloo talking about the momentum hold

22:50

issues. But let's take a much wider picture here.

22:53

You know him better than the rest of us. And

22:55

that's where you can also read what's going on. The Brazilian

22:58

press in a way that, you know, just I'm sure, I

23:00

mean, short him and particularly Charlie will have

23:02

learned Portuguese for this very

23:04

purpose. What has been going on? Can

23:07

you what detail can you add to what we're hearing so

23:09

far about Rachael? It came out

23:11

after the substitution playing for Brazil,

23:13

the tears. Give us a timeline

23:16

of what what's been going on up to this

23:18

point where he gets his goal. Hopefully it'll be some

23:20

redemption. But looking back three, four, 15

23:24

months, I don't know what's been going on. What do you

23:26

know?

23:26

I think there's there's obviously the

23:29

the adaptation time and the he

23:31

not getting along with Conte and

23:34

we've already discussed this once

23:36

how he gets along with managers

23:39

who are more affection towards

23:41

him. Affection was towards

23:43

him like Marco Silva was that was for

23:46

the cello and teaching the national

23:48

squad. So Rachael son and Conte,

23:50

they were not a good match period.

23:53

And then in the past few months,

23:56

he's been going through some some problems in

23:58

his personal life because He's been

24:00

with this agent for a very, very

24:02

long time and this agent of him,

24:05

they have a very close

24:09

relationship. It's not only a professional

24:11

relationship. When Richardis and moved to

24:14

London, I remember going to

24:16

his house to do an interview with him

24:18

and he was there with his agent, the

24:21

wife's agent

24:23

and barely furnished. Really,

24:26

it was

24:27

just that and he was helping

24:29

him with everything and he moved to London as

24:31

well to help Richardis. Richard

24:34

is very close to his family but this

24:36

guy is kind of like a second father

24:38

to him.

24:40

Recently, in the past few months,

24:43

he's been going through his agency, has

24:45

been going through some personal issues and

24:47

Richardis has kind of got involved

24:50

with these personal issues that also

24:53

were related a little bit with money

24:55

as well. So

24:56

Richardis is this really emotional

24:59

guy and this

25:02

is very clear if you sit on the pitch.

25:05

He's very emotional but he

25:08

wasn't able to

25:09

set things apart. He was

25:11

having this situation with his life

25:14

and Brazilian press was reporting that he

25:16

and his agents were not together anymore.

25:18

They were not working together anymore and this is not

25:21

clear yet if his agent did

25:23

fill with him or not but the fact

25:25

is they are getting

25:27

along better. The situation as

25:30

a whole is better but these past few

25:32

months were an

25:34

issue and this is very common with Brazilian

25:36

players. Once they have

25:39

a follow out with their agents or people

25:41

who are very close to him or

25:43

to them, other people

25:45

approach this player

25:48

trying to offer him help

25:50

but in the end trying to get money. With

25:53

footballers, this happens all the time.

25:55

They have people all around them all

25:57

the time and sometimes it's even family.

25:59

It's not the case, but sometimes it's different

26:02

families trying to get money from them. And

26:05

all this mess has been happening with

26:07

Richard Wilson in the past few months.

26:09

And I think the fact that

26:11

he kind of broke down when he was in the national

26:14

team is related to the fact that he's

26:16

very comfortable there. He feels very embraced

26:19

and he loves being the national team. And

26:22

he's home. He's literally home.

26:24

He's in Brazil. So there's

26:26

all this focus and he said, it's not that

26:28

I had a bad match against Bolivia. I wasn't

26:31

prying

26:31

over that. It's just that everything,

26:33

like I just let

26:35

the emotions flow. And after

26:37

the match against Peru, when he spoke to

26:40

the media, I remembered after

26:42

the Man United match, first Man United, I was

26:45

speaking to Charlie, actually, I was telling him this story.

26:47

I went to the mix zone and I wanted to speak

26:49

to Richard Wilson. And Richard Wilson

26:52

walked by with Emerson, Royale,

26:55

and I asked if he could give

26:57

a word. And he was like, yeah, sure. And he

26:59

laughed and said,

27:00

you think I'm going to say something stupid?

27:02

You like it when I say

27:05

something stupid on the interviews. And then

27:07

we all asked and Emerson was like, don't

27:10

ask him any tough questions because he's going

27:12

to say something stupid. And then it

27:14

just becomes this joke and he jokes

27:16

about it because he's very emotional,

27:19

even with his words. So people

27:21

say, oh, Richard Wilson was very brave,

27:24

speaking about his mental

27:26

health issues. But

27:27

that's like, it wasn't something

27:30

that he planned. I am absolutely positive

27:32

because he says the wrong things. And

27:34

he says the right thing because he's

27:36

very genuine. So he comes

27:38

and he gives this interview talking

27:40

about his mental health issues. And then

27:42

he comes to Spurs,

27:44

comes back, he doesn't start the match,

27:45

but he takes his chance. And

27:48

it's just really a nice story. And it's really

27:50

nice to see how the players

27:52

also embraced him and took

27:54

him to the fans.

27:56

So Natalie, in your judgment, and again,

27:59

you're not on the inside. of this, I know.

28:02

The problems he's had, they're soluble,

28:05

are they? They can be dealt with and when

28:07

he talks about getting help, has

28:10

he allowed himself

28:12

to become so muddled up that

28:14

he does actually need professional help or if

28:17

the other thing was solved, probably

28:19

his agent and other hangers on, would

28:22

that solve the mental health issue in

28:24

and of itself?

28:25

I think it's just separate things. I think his

28:28

problems are definitely probable

28:30

and he's going to sort

28:32

it out completely, definitely. And

28:35

with the health of a professional,

28:37

it's very interesting and I'm constantly

28:40

speaking to my friends here and I've had this conversation

28:42

with Charlie a few times as well. I

28:44

think in Brazil and

28:46

I speak from experience, it is very

28:48

common that people go to therapy.

28:52

They speak more openly about it. Almost

28:55

everyone I know has a therapist and it's

28:57

more accepted in a

28:59

way but we're speaking about the football

29:02

environment. So it is very

29:06

toxic, masculinity oriented

29:09

and in this sense, it is

29:11

really nice and really

29:12

brave that he comes and he talks

29:15

about getting help, getting help from

29:17

a therapist

29:17

or from a psychiatrist.

29:19

And just to give you an example, last season

29:22

I was speaking to Ederson, Manfist is goalkeeper

29:24

and Ederson after the World Cup

29:27

because there was this big talk about mental

29:29

health after the World Cup because

29:31

of the way Brazil left Qatar and

29:34

Ederson said, no, I have a therapist. I've been

29:36

going to

29:37

a therapist for a year now and

29:39

I've done sessions

29:40

during the World Cup actually because

29:42

for me, it was a game changer and it's very important

29:45

and I recommend it to everyone. So

29:47

it happens, I think it happens,

29:49

they speak more openly

29:51

about it there but not

29:54

so openly because it is the football

29:56

environment. So in this sense, I

29:59

welcome surprised that

30:02

he spoke about it because every time a footballer

30:04

speaks about it, it's really nice.

30:07

But in a way, it is part of

30:10

people's lives. And

30:11

I guess, I guess, looking at my colleagues

30:13

here, the difference between what you're

30:15

describing in Brazil, and I'm

30:18

going to say this, you know, it's my

30:20

experience, the Anglo-Saxon world just

30:23

doesn't deal, it's getting much better.

30:26

But you know, stiff upper lip Victorian meaning

30:28

and all that stuff, it still has an amazing

30:30

power to close people down

30:33

in the society in which we all live and

30:35

work. If I might

30:37

move on, excuse me, Tim, Charlie,

30:39

you spoke, it was you who started

30:41

to ask Andrew Postekodlu about

30:44

the issues of mental health in

30:47

Rashadis's case, but he then opened it out to

30:50

the more general thing. That was you, I think, I heard your voice.

30:52

Yeah, yeah, I mean, I was so he'd

30:54

been asked about Rashadison more

30:56

generally earlier on in the press conference,

30:59

and he talked a bit about Rashadison

31:01

and then opened it up. But then I wanted

31:03

to ask him, yeah, kind of more, more

31:06

the sport as a whole. And so I asked him where he thought

31:08

football was at with mental health and its importance.

31:12

I think we do understand it's just that we ignore

31:14

it. But you know, who

31:17

in their life doesn't have something that's stressful?

31:19

I mean, I've lived 58 years now.

31:21

And there's never been a time in my life where

31:23

everything is perfect. I lost my father

31:26

three years ago, and he should have been here for the journey. So

31:28

I got to deal with that. Everyone and that's

31:30

just me talking personally, but everybody,

31:32

everyone in this room at this moment, you

31:34

could be

31:35

one part of your life could be flying and but there'll

31:37

be something could be a family member could be a health

31:39

issue could be a financial issue. There's always something

31:41

and footballers are not immune from that. And

31:44

sometimes I think they fall into the trap of thinking they are

31:46

and they're not because just because

31:49

you have you know, money

31:51

or you're really good at something

31:55

life will still find a way to keep a

31:57

balance in that there'll be stuff in there that

31:59

It's going to be stressful. It's going to be upsetting

32:02

and you've got to just deal with that. Yeah He

32:05

said some things that really resonated

32:07

with me One

32:10

of which was that what he

32:12

finds and I'd never thought this back and so imagine

32:15

it he says that often with footballers they almost

32:18

feel like a guilt in You

32:21

know having psychological

32:23

issues or whatever because they're getting paid a fortune.

32:25

They're living everyone's dream They

32:28

might even be in great form, but that doesn't

32:30

insulate you necessarily from having

32:32

issues We all have issues and even

32:34

in like my own way. I sometimes feel it that I'll

32:37

be like I'll feel guilty I'm like

32:39

I've had so much privilege in my life. I'm

32:41

healthy I've got two healthy boys whatever

32:44

and I feel you know I'm really angry

32:46

at the world today And I'm like and I feel then angry

32:48

myself It's like who are you to have

32:50

you know to have this sort of feeling given

32:52

how fortunate you are multiply that? you

32:55

know however many times if you're a

32:57

high-rolling Premier League footballer living everyone's

33:00

dream, and so I think it was just a reminder

33:02

from him that Everyone has things

33:05

Going on in their lives. It was just a really Human

33:08

empathetic response and then I asked him kind of

33:10

you know do enough people understand what you're talking

33:12

about And he said something that was really striking which

33:14

was I think anyone doesn't understand

33:16

things I just think we choose to ignore it. We just

33:19

at times think well. He's a football. He's

33:21

got money What's he got to complain about you

33:24

know of

33:24

course he does but then the football also understand

33:27

that you know his life is not Perfection

33:30

doesn't exist in life. You know plenty

33:32

of people You know who who

33:35

have what we would assume to have

33:37

all the advantages in life who are fairly unhappy

33:40

Yeah, so that's not that doesn't

33:43

exist. So it's just a matter of I

33:45

think for the most part people are You

33:48

know understand that that's the case

33:50

empathetic sometimes. We just choose to ignore it

33:52

because it makes a better Not

33:55

a better story, but it just makes a more impactful

33:57

kind of scenario that you

34:00

know, wow, you know,

34:03

fantastic footballer has problems.

34:06

They all do, mate, you know, they all do. Which

34:10

is an amazing thing to say, really, that,

34:12

you know, it's not that we're not aware of people

34:15

having these issues, it's just that we'd

34:17

rather put it to the backs of our

34:20

minds, because for a lot of people, Richard,

34:22

let's use him as an example, is not a person.

34:24

He's a potential scorer of goals

34:27

or... And an ATM, an

34:29

ATM with legs, you know. Yeah, exactly.

34:33

And I think as well, we just want to say like,

34:36

you then had Wes Fodringham, the Sheffield

34:38

United goalkeeper, speaking about some of the

34:40

abuse he suffered. Which

34:43

we should mention, absolutely. Which is terrible.

34:45

And I just think it's so... This

34:48

is a recurring theme that we, in one breath,

34:51

applaud people for talking about mental health and

34:53

these sorts of things. And I'm sure a lot of

34:55

Spurs fans, you know, who...

34:58

Well, I don't know this, but, you know, he then

35:00

got abuse from Spurs fans, supposedly.

35:04

And I'm sure lots of those people who were abusing him were only

35:06

a day earlier applauding Posto Koglu for

35:08

talking about these issues and about how we

35:10

shouldn't dehumanise footballers. And then there we

35:12

are again, dehumanising someone

35:14

like it, you know. And it's... As he

35:17

himself said, it's fine to, you

35:19

know, get at me during the game, but don't

35:21

take it beyond that into, you know,

35:24

areas of race and... His family.

35:26

His family issues. Yeah, it's just awful. And

35:29

so I think we need to... There

35:31

needs to be more of an appreciation

35:34

all the time, rather than just these big moments. Same

35:36

with something like Dele Alli, where everyone... Of course,

35:38

they said, Greg, that's brilliant that he's spoken about it.

35:40

But then in the next breath, we're abusing

35:42

some other footballer or, you know,

35:45

not really giving due thought to why they might be

35:47

struggling. Listen, we're going to have a break

35:49

now. We're going to let Natalie go because we're moving

35:51

off the topic of Rishal. So she can talk about

35:53

everything. But there's a lot of us in the in the pod here

35:55

today. Given

35:58

what you know, given...

36:00

that the moment of his equalizer in making

36:02

the winner for Risharlison, do

36:04

you think we're going to see the best of him? Now, it's hard to tell and

36:07

maybe get 15 goals between now

36:09

and April.

36:10

Yeah, it is really hard to tell. I could

36:12

sit here and say, no, this is a turning point

36:15

for Risharlison. He's got now he's going to score

36:17

all the goals we're expecting him to score. But

36:19

the truth is, all I can

36:21

say is that the football is there. He's brilliant.

36:24

He was brilliant in other sales of his career.

36:27

He's brilliant with the national team. And

36:29

he just needs to sort things out. I think things

36:31

are more favorable now, in a sense,

36:35

for him this season. With a new manager,

36:38

of course, he needs to adapt as well

36:41

with the style. But I think when once

36:43

he sorts himself out,

36:46

I don't see why we wouldn't

36:48

see a huge improvement because he knows the

36:50

responsibility and he's been

36:52

talking about it openly. I know

36:55

I have a bigger responsibility now

36:57

to score goals. So he needs to deal with

36:59

this as well and incorporate

37:01

that in a positive way. And I really

37:04

hope this happens.

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41:13

I'm Danny Kelly. Tim Spears is here. So

41:15

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41:18

brilliant though she was. A couple of bits

41:20

of news. One of them, just a fact

41:22

that Jed Spence will be out for several weeks with

41:24

a knee ligament injury. That was announced

41:27

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41:29

at this stage, but another setback for

41:31

that lad. Jamie Vardy warming

41:34

up the crowd at a

41:36

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41:39

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41:42

another one who I've got no time for. After

41:44

that question was met with a course of boos, he said,

41:47

still got no bottle. Jamie,

41:49

your team got relegated last year. I'd

41:52

be keeping that neck slightly on the dial.

41:55

Put it in, neck in, Jamie.

42:00

who works on a Rival Spurs podcast

42:02

and therefore we shouldn't be advertising,

42:05

but of course we are open to all competition

42:07

here. And

42:10

it made a brilliant joke, a physical joke about

42:12

Sheffield United's time wasting. He tweeted

42:14

a picture of their bus after the game.

42:17

Sheffield United bus down at the high road. I

42:19

pressed the button at three different crossings

42:22

to waste time. Some will say it's childish,

42:24

I call it calm. He was delaying the Sheffield

42:27

United bus getting out of dodge. Fantastic.

42:31

Let's do this, the rest of the

42:33

podcast with some questions, some really good questions

42:35

as well. You know that now get hold

42:37

of us by email and on

42:40

Twitter and ask questions. Look,

42:43

we can't answer them all. Some of them aren't worth

42:45

answering, but the good ones, we'll get them on.

42:47

Really interested in Ian Greaves here. Do

42:51

we need to introduce it then? Very, very

42:53

pertinent given the discussion we had about the extra

42:55

time being added on for time wasting

42:57

in particular. Do we need to introduce a countdown

43:00

clock for goalkeepers to kick the ball out?

43:02

Tennis has an equivalent. And then he says,

43:04

because you're all radio producers, cue Charlie.

43:08

Tennis correspondent Charlie Eccleshare, do he needs

43:11

to count these goalkeepers

43:13

down? This is very much my sweet

43:15

spot. The length of tennis

43:17

matches has got insane. I wrote

43:19

about this prior to Wimbledon, my

43:22

alter ego covering tennis. What's

43:25

interesting about the shot clock in tennis is

43:28

tennis matches have only got longer since it came in.

43:31

And that's not because

43:33

of it necessarily. But what you are seeing a lot of

43:35

players do is using

43:37

the absolute maximum of

43:40

the 25 seconds because they know they have

43:42

it, which would probably happen in football. What

43:44

you also have is referee.

43:48

It's at the umpire's discretion as to when to start

43:50

the shot clock. And so

43:52

he might decide it's been a particularly long rally

43:55

or the fans may let them

43:57

celebrate. So there

43:59

is an element of... And I imagine something similar would happen

44:01

at football and you'd open up all

44:03

sorts of conspiracy theories with people

44:06

counting down and showing like well Oh, traffic the referee

44:08

allows this amount but

44:10

at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, it's it's

44:12

this amount So

44:14

I don't think it would be the silver bullet

44:17

some would hope it. Maybe it would work Better

44:21

than maybe it has done in tennis But

44:24

it's a very it is very complicated I mean,

44:26

I know there are people who want football to follow

44:28

rugby's lead rugby stop the clock You

44:31

know like on the TV broadcast and stuff. So you're getting

44:34

what the referee is seeing and I know some

44:36

people

44:37

Would want that as well. I mean rugby

44:39

matches well have got so long

44:41

You know that they take ages now and you

44:43

don't see the stoppage time the same way because it's just

44:45

a stop clock But you know things like 12-minute

44:48

stoppage time is I don't think is

44:50

that unusual in rugby? So yeah,

44:52

it'd be interesting to see as an experiment

44:55

to see this sort of stop clock idea

44:57

But I think it does have it tends to have unintended

44:59

consequences and that's a little bit what's happened

45:02

in tennis

45:02

Ian talks about goal kicks in his question

45:05

But goal kicks have changed immeasurably

45:07

in the past sort of you know 10 years in terms

45:09

of how important they are to a team playing out from

45:11

the back now and you know there are people whose job

45:13

it is to To plan goal

45:15

kicks now as well as all other set pieces They

45:17

get the most attention from fans naturally because just

45:20

because they do but I'm sure A

45:22

defensive free kick or you know with the Arsenal's

45:25

corner was highlighted a match today last night. I think it

45:27

was 27 seconds. They took For

45:30

the corner leading to their goal. So if

45:32

you're gonna do it for Goldkits, it's got to

45:34

be for all set pieces really but I agree with Charlie.

45:36

I'm not sure how Workable is

45:39

there's also because Paul Hackingbottom's complaint

45:41

wasn't it was that he was

45:43

being kind of hustled in He felt

45:46

that his goal keep was being hustled

45:48

into doing things too quickly because

45:50

their plan was to slightly react to what

45:52

Spurs did In terms

45:54

of whether they were gonna go long or go short that sort of thing

45:56

And I'm not you know, I'm sure a lot of Spurs sounds to say that's

45:59

bullshit. You just

45:59

wasting time.

46:01

I'm just saying what he was saying and I guess

46:03

then you'd say with the stock but then you have teams

46:05

might abuse the fact they know they have

46:07

a limit by delaying what they

46:09

did which then forced goalkeepers to delay. I

46:12

don't know it would be complicated. Heckenbaum

46:15

came out and in very very unemotional

46:17

language laid all out. I thought it was

46:19

absolute nonsense. If

46:22

the ball is in free play you're

46:24

always trying to stop the opposition doing what they

46:26

want and to give them less time to do it. Why

46:28

would be any different just because you happen to have

46:30

the ball still in front of you. The point

46:33

was that Spurs were forcing

46:35

Fodringham to make decisions they didn't

46:37

want to make in real time. What's

46:39

he gonna do? I mean if Spurs can

46:41

keep running around can he just stand

46:43

there for the rest of the half? Run down 15 minutes

46:46

of the clock saying sorry I've got a dick. Hang on hold

46:49

on a second there. Man of Solomon moved. It's

46:51

not cricket mate. They don't have to take up positions

46:54

that you then react to. No no he's

46:56

moved again ref I'm gonna take another 15 minutes

46:58

over this. It was Paul was frustrated

47:01

and he wasn't being kind of mad

47:03

about it but he's wrong. That

47:05

the whole point about applying

47:09

the press to goalkicks now which is what's happening

47:11

is that it forces people to do something they don't

47:14

want to do and that's what defending is about

47:16

in any part of the pitch.

47:19

Thank you very much for that question. Glen

47:21

Teague said

47:23

I walked past the and he put inverted commers

47:25

glamorous media entrance at the stadium

47:28

and it got me wondering what the matchday routine

47:30

is for Tim and Charlie. Tim

47:33

I mean I'm sure it's incredibly glamorous and

47:35

involving being pampered before you go

47:38

probably making your way to the stadium in

47:40

some kind of sedan chair with each

47:42

step of your journey hand-picked

47:45

flunkies strewing petals

47:47

in your path but tell us tell

47:49

us in case that's not true. He

47:51

says glamorous media entrance that

47:53

the actual entrance doesn't look great sort

47:55

of backing on to where we did our podcast the other

47:58

week by the back entrance. the Sainsbury's

48:00

Car Park. But yeah, if you walk past

48:02

the front bit with its sort of glass front face

48:04

and it does look very plush inside bars

48:07

and nice seats and it sort of looks like it

48:09

doesn't look like a media room if you walk

48:11

past it. But yeah, no, the

48:14

routine can vary week to week. I actually

48:16

was a little bit late on Saturday

48:18

because I was trying to watch the Wolves game on

48:20

the way to the ground, obviously. You

48:22

do get there pretty early normally, I would say like two

48:24

hours before kick off, there's sort of lots

48:27

to prepare before a match. You've

48:29

got the team news coming in at two, you've got to chat through

48:31

your match idea with your editor because we

48:35

all sort of go in with something in mind that

48:37

we might want to write about on the day and

48:39

as Charlie will know, only about 25% of the time. Okay,

48:44

I spent a large chunk of my life editing, I had

48:46

no idea about that. Do

48:48

you not just respond to what happens on

48:50

the sword? Famously for

48:53

us, but we don't do match reports on the athletic,

48:56

we do not do a blow-by-blow account of

48:58

what just happened in the match because everybody

49:01

else does that and obviously we're a subscription website

49:03

who tries to do things a little bit differently so we're trying

49:05

to attract people to read something that they may

49:07

not have noticed and tell them something

49:09

they don't know. You can't decide that in advance.

49:11

No, you can't, but there

49:14

are so many matches, you know, some clubs might play 60

49:16

matches in a season, you know,

49:18

and it's hard to come

49:20

up with different ideas on the hoof straight

49:22

away at full time so the idea might

49:25

be, for an example, of going in with

49:27

the idea of specifically watching a

49:29

player perhaps. So you might

49:31

go and watch James Madison for 90 minutes

49:33

and if it's a boring game with very little

49:36

sort of wow, big narratives that come out of it,

49:38

then that will still quite work well. But like

49:40

I said to Charlie, a lot of the time

49:42

stuff that happens in games overtakes the idea

49:44

that you go in with basically. Yeah, I

49:46

think it's partly, Danny, to ensure yourself.

49:49

If they chef we've united on the idea that we're making

49:51

a really forgettable one nil

49:53

win and you're kind of like, what

49:56

am I going to talk about? It helps. That doesn't happen, I

49:58

suppose. You know that. No, exactly,

50:02

thankfully or otherwise it doesn't. So it helps

50:04

in that situation to be, is there anything I've

50:06

been working on that's not so dependent on

50:08

the game? Because also what I think is interesting

50:10

with it is you can be accused of being

50:13

too reactive. It's a really

50:15

fine line because you don't

50:17

wanna just be off the back of reacting

50:19

just to the back of what's happened in the

50:21

game, but at the same time, it's mad, something

50:24

like Saturday, clearly.

50:27

You can go in with the best of their plans, but

50:29

everything's ripped up because you have to reflect

50:32

what all the fans are talking about. And that's to

50:34

a large extent the emotion of the game

50:37

and that sort of thing. But if you can pick

50:39

something out that's maybe

50:42

a little different. I mean, like for instance, my piece on Saturday

50:44

about the game was, I thought

50:46

I had during it, which was kind of like, you know,

50:48

welcome to being good against Spurs. Because

50:50

when you're good, this is what teams are gonna

50:52

do to you. They're gonna come, they're gonna sit everyone behind the ball,

50:55

they're gonna waste every second of time because they're

50:57

scared. Like, you know, in your last game, you

51:00

battered Burnley, you've scored two in every Premier

51:02

League game so far this season. And it reminds, and

51:04

I know to an extent, it's ever

51:06

been thus and, you know, always you're gonna have

51:09

newly promoted teams are gonna play defensively against

51:13

the biggest teams in a vertical miss. But

51:15

it reminded me a little bit of something happened

51:18

with Pochettino Spurs when teams got wise

51:20

to the fact that they were getting really good. And

51:22

Spurs had a bit of an awkward transition to dealing

51:24

with those games against suddenly these really

51:27

defensive low blocks. And I can remember

51:29

some quite often in that, in

51:31

sort of Pochettino's second season, probably

51:33

would have been, you know, after like Europa League games, there'd

51:36

be sort of Sunday 2 p.m. and it'd be quite flat.

51:39

And you'd have teams knowing that Spurs were really

51:41

good in just defending incredibly

51:43

deep. And this felt like it might be one of those games.

51:45

So yeah, that was a theme I sort of got into off

51:47

the back of the game. What about Glenn? I

51:50

mean, I've been to New Stadium, of course, but

51:52

my days of going to press boxes are long

51:54

behind me. Some would say, thankfully.

51:58

What about the actual facility? I mean

52:00

obviously the Wi-Fi is better

52:02

than it was at White Island. How could it be worse? What's

52:05

the grub like Tim?

52:07

Very very very good. They sort

52:09

of changes from week to week, which is nice You don't want the same

52:11

meal every time. I I feel a bit weird

52:13

talking about this I don't really like I

52:16

think the idea of journalists get to stuff

52:18

their face on like real like gourmet type

52:20

foods I don't know Charlie feels but I think

52:22

it's a bit unedifying really like if you get

52:24

to Chelsea and you see a Proper

52:27

gourmet spread like the Gorgonzola nocky. I

52:29

had it Honestly

52:32

unbelievable But then you know you might

52:34

glance at it a quarter three as you're on your way to see and there's

52:36

so much food Left is like really like what happens

52:38

to all that like incredible food like I don't

52:41

know But yeah, I think I think

52:43

a lot of journalists see that as the highlight of their Forget

52:47

I'm great friends with Ian Abraham. So I

52:49

do know that Literally

52:51

the highlight of their career whatever

52:54

they serve up the grub. Listen, I

52:55

hope Glenn I hope just give you just a Small

52:59

vision of just how tough it is to

53:01

be a top football journalist these

53:04

days I'm let's end then with

53:06

I don't know how funny people are trying to be here

53:09

But in the in the timeline of our

53:11

Twitter feed and the moment where it feed after

53:13

the shepherd of night again Loads of people

53:16

Griezmann fan Tim Eaton Sean

53:18

hurl who regularly contributes all

53:21

saying could we?

53:23

Could we Tim could we

53:25

Sean

53:26

could we?

53:28

Well Tim could we I mean

53:31

you're gonna you're gonna have to clarify the question I

53:37

mean people are being self-deprecating.

53:39

I think they're Charlie. Yes. Yeah,

53:42

I think I mean yes Yeah, well there it's a little

53:44

bit of like I don't know we do this a knife

53:46

Don't we where we dangle something out there? Doing

53:49

it with humor in the hope but secretly

53:51

hoping someone might sort of bite on

53:53

it But you you don't want to sort of make yourself

53:56

too vulnerable. What I would say is that

53:58

Spurs play Arsenal on Sunday

54:01

and this time a year ago, Arsenal had won their

54:03

first five games and it was

54:05

very similar noises and a lot of people

54:07

were saying, don't be ridiculous.

54:10

You're a team that didn't even get top four last

54:12

season and you've beaten

54:14

five not great teams back in your box.

54:16

They obviously then did go on and challenge and

54:18

a lot of people would say they ultimately bottled the title.

54:21

They had a brilliant season, didn't they? They had

54:23

an amazing season book. So what I'm saying is people

54:26

would have thought they were being similarly ridiculous

54:29

at that point. I

54:32

know Spurs are coming from a lower point. Maybe they finished

54:34

eighth whereas Arsenal finished fifth the previous season

54:36

but it's

54:40

an enormous ask. Let's see after this Sunday.

54:42

I think then we might have a bit

54:45

better of a deal. Tell you what's wonderful about it, whether

54:47

people are taking the Mickey or not in

54:49

Arsenal or even taking the Mickey out themselves, the very

54:52

idea that you might contemplate the question,

54:54

never mind ask it. The

54:57

mood change,

54:58

the mood change

55:00

of which that is reflective

55:02

is extraordinary. Completely and like you said,

55:04

Danny, you've got to enjoy these wins. In a way,

55:07

we spend so much of our time as fans

55:09

proofing ourselves against disappointment. Whenever

55:11

there's a corner for the opposition, they're going to score. Oh, I just

55:14

didn't know they're going to score. Or you go into every

55:16

game saying, oh, I've got a bad feeling about this. And

55:18

so in a way,

55:20

maybe this will be as good as it gets this

55:23

season where Spurs have won four games and drawn

55:25

one. Just

55:27

kind of let yourself dream. And

55:29

yeah, there's a teeny chance probably

55:31

but you mentioned Jamie Vardy.

55:34

Stranger things have happened. This isn't me saying, where's he going to win

55:36

the league by the way? No, no, no, no, no. But

55:39

yeah, let yourself dream. Did sound

55:41

a little bit like that, Charlie. So far,

55:44

Foster Carver hasn't put a foot wrong PR wise. He

55:46

was asked the same question about the Spurs fans over

55:48

celebrating and he said, that's their job. Let

55:50

them get on with it. That's what they should do. It's their

55:52

job and the players should celebrate when they get a

55:55

winner as the sun goes down

55:58

in September. But it's his job

56:01

and his coach's job to make sure that that energy

56:04

is bottled but then realistically

56:07

used. You know, you think

56:09

Arsenal are going to sit on the edge of their box waiting for Spurs

56:11

to have 29 shots at goal? They ain't.

56:14

But that's the game and we'll see what happens.

56:17

We'll talk about that more on Thursday when we'll be

56:19

back. Let me just remind you, as I say, all

56:22

those questions came and many others and do keep

56:24

them coming and don't get disappointed if

56:26

we don't get them all on. It's just the nature of

56:28

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56:55

Thank you all for listening. Thanks for Natalie for

56:58

adding to the general gaiety of the nation.

57:00

What a brilliant, brilliant result. And

57:02

what a brilliant, brilliant moment that was. Let's

57:05

hope there's many more of the season to come. On

57:07

Thursday, we'll be previewing the possibility

57:09

of something brilliant happening at Arsenal. Bless

57:11

you all.