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Welcome

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to

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the Intersection of Faith and Culture. It's Walt Builders,

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and we're taking on those hot topics from a

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biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. Rick Green here with

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David and Tim Barton. Later in

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the program, we've got a guest on guys

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that, man, this is exactly where the

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rubber meets the road on the destruction of our

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justice system and the lack of trust in

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our justice system. I had a chance to have

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her on in the tavern recently, the show I

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do for Patriot U and Warrior Poets

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Society, just talking about the lawfare. Barry

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was talking, we had Barry Lautermaecon earlier this week, and

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he was talking about the

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show trial of the January 6th committee, all

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the things that happened that caused people to lose trust in

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the system. That's why we've talked about why it's important to

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have Barry, because he says, we're going to

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follow the truth wherever it goes, and

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that's what helps restore some faith in

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the system. Man, when you're allowing the system

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to be so manipulated, like when I went

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to testify for Rebecca Laverance at that federal

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court in DC, and it

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was just so manipulated what could get

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to the jury and so controlled by

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the judge and the prosecution that

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she couldn't even tell her side. She couldn't even talk

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about the First Amendment, and it made me really grieve

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for our justice system. Here we have,

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today, we're going to talk about a civil

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case that's very, very similar. It's using lawfare

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to silence the opposition. What a dangerous road,

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guys. Well, hey, Rick, I would go

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back to when you went to testify in federal

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court, she was not allowed to use

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the First Amendment in her defense, because if you

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are doing domestic terrorism, then you

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have all of your rights suspended

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as a terrorist. It's

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part of how the American government works. The

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problem is, if you go

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to January 6th, every single defendant,

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not a single one has even

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been charged with insurrection. Much

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less convicted, right? I mean, when you go

1:55

to convictions, it's only misdemeanors that anybody's been

1:57

convicted with from January 6th, but nobody's

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even charged. With the insurrection, this

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kind of terroristic notion and yet

2:03

even other added mean charged with that,

2:06

they're having their rights they've is

2:08

corporate. It's suspended. It is and this

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is where you begin to see the dangers. Of

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what's happened unfortunately quite often over

2:14

the last many years. I mean,

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really, some of it started undertow.

2:18

Good. Where you begin to see

2:21

some these government towers, Government entities. I

2:23

no longer recognizes that, right? Some from

2:25

Got A by recognizing when I'm a

2:27

portable acknowledge right to. There's a lot

2:29

of people that have thought for years

2:31

and the the belly of the Bc

2:33

government system that we are the ones

2:35

who determine the rights for these little

2:38

people. right? words. It's very demeaning. They

2:40

think if they're in Congress or there

2:42

in one of these agencies, rather there

2:44

some. Out of all the swab, they're

2:46

just so much smarter than everybody else.

2:48

It and you really saw this attitude

2:50

come out very prevalent. In. Co

2:52

vid were just arbitrarily. people are

2:54

losing their rights that you had

2:56

government officials picking winners and losers

2:58

when it came to businesses. egg

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cetera, It and and so you saw some

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of the starting cove. It. But. Since

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the Biden administration has been in charge.

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You. Have seen whether be district attorney's

3:09

I did did determining what can he can

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be prosecutor as your california than usual lesser

3:14

thousand dollars will at a at really that's

3:16

okay and most location because we're not going

3:18

to prosecute that even though that is still

3:20

against the law right even though there's

3:22

still a tribe or early on charged him

3:25

with that. You. See.

3:28

Just. A very different mentality.

3:30

In. The the framework

3:33

Politically legally. A

3:35

brick as you will tell us after burrow

3:37

hours interview that Okay there's a lady you

3:39

tell the story and have remembered as I

3:41

remembered hearing some of the story maybe other

3:43

guess or even on on the first time

3:45

she was on with you'll Miss average. And.

3:48

It just crazy. What?

3:50

She has gone through. How see

3:52

is being targeted and politicians are

3:54

weaponizing the legal system against or

3:56

to punisher for supporting Trump. I

3:58

mean that literally. It. Can be

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know considered nothing other than punishing

4:03

or for supporting Donald Trump. And.

4:06

And similar to were watching what's happening

4:08

with would Donald Trump assemblies trials whether

4:10

be in Georgia or New York and

4:12

seems like a democrat. Strategy is a

4:14

really once you either imprisoned or bankrupt

4:16

Donald Trump by this want to punish

4:18

him because they hate Emma. Don't like

4:20

him, Not because. You. Know he

4:22

overestimated the value of a property

4:24

up a New York or whatever

4:27

have nonsense are charging him and

4:29

trying to prosecute him for, but

4:31

this is now what they're doing

4:33

to individual citizens, their weaponizing the

4:35

political, the justice system against them

4:37

and they want to punish them.

4:40

Or it the biden is racing or least. Seen.

4:43

By the end they are punishing

4:45

people that do not support and

4:47

fall in line with the Biden

4:49

agenda and is is despicable. Ah,

4:51

but we doubly wanted people to robot historic as or

4:54

Frasca went up. Or and there's a

4:56

massive legal fights. Odd. So this somebody we

4:58

doubled would be praying for I in the

5:00

midst of all the other nonsense going on.

5:02

but we doubled. Want to your story as

5:04

well? Yeah, in like a tsunami. did it

5:07

really is a minute. Joe Biden Jews the

5:09

the Pan of the President. On

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to lambast her and an essentially

5:13

claim that quote unquote. The insurrection

5:15

in January Six began in San

5:17

Marcus with the Trump trains running

5:19

the Biden Bus off the road,

5:21

which of course never happened. But.

5:24

It it makes for good headlines for

5:26

them and makes for you know and

5:28

a nasty sounding case. Against turn

5:30

and turns out she's a sweet home school mom of

5:32

the great family and just wants to be a good

5:34

citizen. You know guys and that's what I worry about

5:36

is this causes people not to want to participate in

5:39

citizenship. And. Causes: I'm not to trust

5:41

the legal system which is obviously huge

5:43

problem. Ah, So yeah we're good at

5:45

what your to quit break will get. dirty job part

5:47

of the interview with With Joy than from the The

5:49

Tavern and will talk about the impact that this can

5:51

have on our justice system across the country. Stay with

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us folks, you're listening to the bothersome. Embark

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mama this with another Mimics in American

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History and Ninety Sixty Three, the United

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States Supreme Court decided that voluntary Bible

6:10

we could no longer be part of

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the school that founding father visible rush

6:15

known as the Father Public Schools under

6:17

the Constitution point. He warned that the

6:19

bible should be read in schools in

6:21

preference to all other books. He specifically

6:23

warned that if America ever sees promoting

6:25

biblical principles in schools since we would

6:28

waste so much time and money and

6:30

punishing crimes and six so little pains

6:32

to prevent them. He was right.

6:34

We now have seven million Americans in

6:36

prison on probation or on parole. And

6:39

the United States has the highest incarceration rate

6:41

in the world. Sadly, This was

6:43

unnecessary, but is the result of no longer

6:45

teaching the morals of the bible in schools.

6:49

For. More information about the Founding Fathers views

6:51

on the positive impact of the Bible

6:53

in schools. Good a wall builders.to. Have

7:03

a name with me. What kind of a

7:05

neighbor a way here in Texas Are central

7:07

Texas in fact, And man I guess

7:09

it's been as an already been two years

7:11

joy. When when did you come on the

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front porch That has been could have been

7:15

two years ago. And Twenty

7:18

Twenty One. Time. Is

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just like gone wrong Art

7:22

Joe Msr us a great

7:24

patriot, a hero and one

7:26

of the few. That. Is

7:28

willing to stand against the law fair

7:31

out there. She's basically Donald Trump with

7:33

much better hair. And. I

7:35

and much more are much nicer, right?

7:37

Like, much easier to listen to and

7:39

now, but she's got the backbone of

7:41

a Donald Trump anywhere. Hey Joe, they

7:43

could see a basic Eminem. Oh.

7:45

Outbreak. You never disappoint with the it's it's

7:48

that says this is no bias. okay

7:51

with back to get them ready up there

7:53

is going okay great rick as the Europe

7:55

who issue what is she doing ah listen

7:58

joy land or it was on the receiving

8:00

in. Of. The leftist

8:02

Marxists silent seen

8:05

machine. For. Simply driving

8:07

along the highway, Say.

8:09

And you know, go Donald Trump and me

8:12

know if he said Biden is the worst

8:14

while you were driving. it's basically just had

8:16

flags in the back of the truck and

8:18

and other Trump train going down the highway.

8:20

So let's back up. Ah, That

8:22

the a biden boss was coming

8:25

through taxes. Or through my you

8:27

know our a the county where I live

8:29

and in fact we used to represent in

8:31

the legislature and y'all decided you know what?

8:33

we. Just want to hill welcome zoom

8:36

to Texas. I've read. I

8:38

had just gotten involved in politics and

8:40

it was really like Senate. let's eat

8:42

out campaign time during Twenty Twenty that

8:44

Trump planes are all over the United

8:46

States despite advice is coming through and

8:48

break think and what and often see

8:50

and to sell Trump are supporter here

8:52

in Clark County in that part of

8:54

Texas and says it made the news.

8:57

we were socks on what we're hearing

8:59

the insignia say we learn to mitigate

9:01

certain sense that eight months later we

9:03

learned we were getting sued under the

9:05

Ku Klux Klan law in federal court

9:07

by architects. And the bus to work.

9:09

Then eight months later, now White

9:11

House official. Democrat politicians and

9:13

and that they were claiming they

9:15

had emotional damage from our exercise

9:17

of free speech said there are

9:19

zero criminal charges they're wanting are

9:22

claiming to be. An emotional

9:24

damage and eating financial compensation. but having been

9:26

in litigation for four years, it so much

9:28

bigger than that. We see that there is

9:30

definitely an agenda here. So.

9:33

I want a back up to one. Small. Thing

9:35

you sick as is not a small thing.

9:37

you had just gotten involved in politics. So

9:39

you are. Not. A political

9:41

politically active person? Certainly not a political

9:43

hacks? Certainly not. Are you know an

9:45

employee of any. Or big

9:48

campaigner our effort out there. What?

9:50

Got you involved? What? Why? And twenty twenty

9:52

did you decide to get involved? By.

9:55

God's Grace the make America great again

9:57

movement got our tents and we were

9:59

wonder. Why people were so excited

10:01

about getting involved in politics and understanding

10:04

that we wanted to know who to

10:06

vote for in? I don't know if

10:08

you're membranous are not that in any

10:10

twenty. I didn't know about going to

10:12

vote for Trump or Biden. That is

10:15

how disconnected I was. My son was

10:17

in public school. I let Starbucks target.

10:19

I'm a totally different mom now. we

10:21

home school I milk and thousand three

10:23

raw milk in my coffee like unrecognizable

10:26

brideshead. Revisited of our

10:28

muscles are still suck. Romney's the way

10:30

to describe how crazy and liberal you

10:32

are was that you love Starbucks in

10:35

Target like that that a classic, those

10:37

classic and headed to to prove that

10:39

you're no longer other side Address: Our

10:41

milky. My coffee. Million I could have

10:44

said better their join and seizures. It's

10:46

a drink raw milk in my Patriot

10:48

Brew coffee made by Patriot Academy that

10:51

would have felt like the perfect you

10:53

know old school fifties advertisement in the

10:55

middle of the. In the middle

10:57

the shows like your ship while man on the

10:59

know if you've ever tried to someone to send

11:02

you some after the address up against of sorts

11:04

back to you are just like not not involved

11:06

at all not paying attention at all and now

11:08

I'm in home schooling and very involved arm. yeah

11:10

you said the wake up call. What was what

11:13

was the wake up call like a huge and

11:15

so we could grab was thing and way to

11:17

well what was it really. Was. The final

11:19

straw Man I gotta I gotta get involved. So.

11:21

What happened was. I. Came home

11:23

and ask my husband said for trump them why

11:26

then it has. All of my friends were saying

11:28

they were voting for Biden but my dad said

11:30

he was voting for Trump and I'm Robert was

11:32

a little research and together and figure it out

11:35

and I say by God's grace because we googled.

11:38

Who. To vote for And by Todd's

11:40

grace. The article we found was planted the

11:42

bomb things. they all these lies against Trump and

11:44

so we're like will the media is saying all

11:46

these terrible things that him that aren't for l

11:48

and his values releasing the line with our values.

11:51

So I settled back over to my friends and

11:53

I'm like. From I

11:55

didn't understand like cancel culture was,

11:57

others is so naive and they

11:59

actually told me I needed to

12:01

sit there in silence and apologize

12:03

for my white privilege. And

12:06

I wasn't allowed to continue speaking in the

12:08

conversation. So when I came home and told

12:10

my husband that have been a like what

12:12

is happening my son dude who and nine

12:14

as a time was like puppets I like

12:16

you need new friends and so when we

12:18

saw the trucks are you driving around town

12:20

we were like. Maybe. We should

12:22

make some new friends with that group. And

12:24

so we had been riding in the timeframe

12:27

for three weeks read when that Biden By

12:29

came for of so we didn't even know

12:31

anybody in that group either. Gods is totally.

12:33

Funneled us into that. Situation.

12:36

But we just put aside and back in

12:38

the truck and he just used it. And

12:40

so here we are four years later in

12:42

the fight of our lives and I never

12:44

imagined I never would have picked it but.directing

12:46

and I'm certain. You I

12:49

mean I just what this is a good for

12:51

people that are watching you were not even a

12:53

month in. Which. Were been

12:55

involved and and all the

12:57

sudden you're front page frontline.

13:00

Or and and not only that, The.

13:02

The weight of the legal machine coming down

13:04

on as I and you'd rather I am

13:07

a normal American citizens. You're not overweight, happy

13:09

you don't have the ability to fight back

13:11

against as lawfare. Going on. And

13:13

so the. The. Marxist tactic is

13:15

to create a chilling effect and to

13:17

prevent people like you from waking hours

13:20

of didn't have. Also a junior worst

13:22

case scenario your. Your. Your router like

13:24

me oh hey we're just living our lives were doing

13:26

are saying raising our son and now all the sudden

13:28

hey we want to be about we want to be

13:30

good citizens so we're gonna get a little bit of

13:32

Also you were a little bit of off. And

13:35

they wanted to kick you out and then

13:37

make an example of you know enough about

13:39

make an example of you that a manner

13:41

and so they bring this. You know that

13:43

did this Ali know how to describe it

13:45

to people that have never been sued. I

13:47

mean I've been there but not the Nano

13:49

in in both criminally and and civilly. It's

13:51

it's hard to describe the black cloud, the

13:53

just descends because of all the unknown and

13:56

all of them fear and all of the

13:58

intimidation and you know you don't even. So

14:00

you don't know where it's all gonna go or

14:02

how bad it gets. It's harden able to to

14:04

understand that. But. To multiply that by

14:06

me. Now I'm a warrior. I'm as I

14:08

was a legislator and and I remember the

14:11

just how much that weighed on our family.

14:13

Are you guys are coming out of normal life,

14:15

not immersed in the political world and in

14:18

the legal world? And on the sudden that's that's

14:20

thrown at you? Don't respond

14:22

to be what? what? What was the? Initial.

14:25

Conversation between have space to to be a

14:27

fly on the wall for that one where

14:29

your sit on the cats who hates guess

14:31

what what ensued by the yeah bill that

14:33

are at the highest level of politics. You're

14:36

so right right? I mean what I

14:38

was sitting by the pool, it was

14:40

that yell at you and afternoon I'm

14:42

sitting by the pool with my son,

14:44

I'm on a picnic blanket with a

14:46

friend and her kids and my phone

14:48

rings and somebody says and does you're

14:50

getting sued You are all over the

14:52

news. And unlike. What?

14:55

About because nobody told me how it getting sued

14:57

right and so I'd So I guess I was

14:59

getting fit. I would know somebody's wedding ceremonies and

15:01

sort of paperwork. I mean I'm no pro but

15:03

I don't think I'd have to hear about it

15:05

from some yell and so I just do a

15:07

quick google central him on the phone with her

15:09

and it's I can see the mainstream media was

15:11

that. You know that we were. White

15:13

supremacists, domestic terrorists that we were

15:16

involved in places to. They get

15:18

that we were consent spring and

15:20

and I'm like what is happening

15:22

so high. School. And variety.

15:24

I mean my bodyweight? not I couldn't breathe, my

15:26

head was spinning, I didn't really understand what was

15:28

happening. I call my husband and he. says.

15:32

Like a political side we would. never forgetting

15:34

Sarah. Just calm down. Everything Fine. I'm searches

15:36

gonna blow over. An an about

15:38

it another month later. We. Got

15:40

served the paperwork to actually understand the scope

15:42

of the lawsuit. We understood that it was

15:45

a civil complaint. It was not criminals. There

15:47

were sixty two pages where they claim that

15:49

and we are like the Ku Klux Klan

15:51

who are flooded on horseback in the dark

15:54

of my ex. These are a direct quotes

15:56

from this a look complaint that we are

15:58

a threat to democracy. We premeditated

16:00

a plan of assault to run the

16:02

bus off the road either know that

16:05

never happened and that are intent was

16:07

to suppress minorities from voting and so

16:09

me not understanding a constitutional right I

16:12

had no experience, no education, no understanding.

16:14

Ah, eat I have. I had no clue

16:17

that I had a right to free speech

16:19

until I'm regurgitating the story to my neighbor

16:21

that evening on trying to process the civil

16:23

complaint and she says. This.

16:25

Free Speech. I say he and do

16:27

this to you and I remember asking

16:29

her what is free speech like? what

16:31

does that mean? Any mean it's free

16:33

speech. Isn't that crazy? I know that

16:35

probably just rocks or world and winter

16:37

how hard you worked to educate people

16:39

on. The poop put me in the time one

16:41

your real quick I am for didn't we Love of July

16:44

August. Towards. Like yes, there is. So

16:46

we drove next to the bus in October. Twenty

16:48

twenty We found out when. You're going okay. What

16:50

is right before the election? Looking at getting

16:52

winded? They sue you. Yeah, so they

16:54

announced that. You say sir. If you say sir

16:57

to me one more time, I'm going to kick

16:59

you out of the tavern. I am not like

17:01

a sixty year old George Washington. I'm only fifty

17:03

three. I'm not quite there yet. Oh

17:05

my Goodness. I

17:10

just wanna say yes or when you say not to say

17:12

it. Up so

17:14

we find out we're getting stayed in

17:16

Twenty Twenty One and then I start

17:18

begging you for help about two months

17:21

later and new it to her. Absolute

17:23

mercy on me. You had me do

17:25

your home on your porch and helped

17:27

me tell my story to slide viewers

17:29

at the time and it was incredible

17:32

because I didn't understand what was happening.

17:34

And new though that we didn't do anything

17:37

wrong and that I was not going to

17:39

roll over that I wanted to say and

17:41

do enough. I knew that And so you

17:43

gave us a platform to tell our story

17:45

and we raise our first twelve thousand dollars

17:47

with you and your for. I can't even

17:49

believe that your viewers race that kind of

17:51

money to support us in our fight. And

17:53

since then Rec League raise two hundred and

17:55

sixty thousand dollars in our primary. There was

17:57

a phenomenal we cast out or four o

17:59

one K. You probably remember that. And

18:02

we very quickly ran out of money but we did

18:04

not want to give up the fight and I know

18:06

they expected as already to has. Run

18:08

out of money or rolled over and give

18:10

a not because they coerce enforced. By

18:13

persuasion other defendants into apologizing and settling.

18:15

New May also remember they sued the

18:17

City of San Marcus Police Department under

18:20

the Ku Klux Klan law and said

18:22

that they allowed us to intimidate minority

18:24

it's from voting and not that serious

18:26

and Marcus apologize. The City manager made

18:28

a public statement apologizing and they paid

18:31

out one hundred and seventy five thousand

18:33

dollars to. Said.

18:35

Super, Their emotional, the image itself, the

18:37

voter base that. When I'm embarrassed, I'm

18:39

embarrassed that that's my own gun. It is.

18:42

Why are we being a county and move

18:44

interpreters work? Or wrong they are granted.

18:46

The temperate they they agreed in their negotiations

18:48

with their entire police force through political violence

18:50

training to prepare for twenty Twenty. Oh and

18:52

was you this? It sets a precedent because

18:54

what they just did about four weeks ago

18:57

is filed a motion with our judge trying

18:59

to force us to settle saying that because

19:01

other defendants rolled over and apologize and the

19:03

City of San Marcus settled that it only

19:05

seems fair and sitting for us to the

19:07

the same thing and they wanted us to

19:10

go into mediation with a very biased judge.

19:13

I like. And services. Our President

19:15

works and you know that and so

19:17

think know by God's grace yet again

19:20

and then emotionless defeated were headed to

19:22

trial by jury in June. Two. Years

19:24

there has it in against us to

19:27

vindicate ourselves from their life. Oh

19:29

wow. Okay, so break that down.

19:31

Use their evidence against him to

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vindicate you from their lives. So

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you're saying even their best evidence

19:37

actually makes you think. A

19:39

man. That's exactly what I'm saying. This

19:42

isn't replete with lies on the beginning.

19:44

They've leverage the media to slander what

19:46

happened that day. They lied saying that

19:48

Biden himself.up on a press release and

19:50

said we ran that boss off the

19:52

road which absolutely never happened the same.

19:54

Our some relatives were eaten by cannibals and

19:56

need you know is dig that. A lot

19:58

of other things that. That his mouth an

20:01

archer to but I know yet what it.

20:03

How sad that that that even the President

20:05

of the United States would lie about you

20:07

and lie about this case. While and

20:09

here's what's even crazier. It's.

20:11

Not yet. We're just collateral damage.

20:13

Where pawns in this. We have

20:15

watched the same. We've watched through

20:17

the impeachment trial against Trump when

20:19

they. Get. Used Thread nice January six

20:21

to teach him off the ballot in the future.

20:24

They. Also were using the Biden Bus

20:26

lawsuit in the impeachment trial thing that

20:29

we work. Thought a know that. Means

20:31

that we were a precursor to the

20:33

insurrection. We were the test balloon for

20:35

inciting insurrectionist. And then they in the

20:37

Fourteenth Amendment hearing in Colorado that we

20:39

just watched happened over the holidays where

20:41

they were trying to keep Trump off

20:43

the balance. The prosecuting attorney. The opening remarks

20:45

included the video of us driving next

20:47

to the Biden Bot where he lives

20:49

and says the bus was run off

20:51

the road by the Trump supporters. It

20:53

literally never happened. They are lying and

20:55

fabricating stories, interfere with the election and

20:57

they're destroying Americans. Lied to do it.

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Believe. Me when I come back. I've

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got some harsh words for those who

21:42

are destroying our constitution Joined God bless

21:44

you. Keep the great attitude were

21:46

praying for yet we're with you! And.

21:48

Dubbed. Regardless, what happens in June. We're with you

21:51

through this whole fight and now I'm already praying

21:53

for who the three judges or that you're gonna.

21:56

You're. Gonna draw from from the fifth circuit. presets

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come on thank you We'll

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be back in just a moment. We'll

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be back in just a moment. We're

23:09

back on Wallbladder 6 for staying with us, back with David and Tim

23:11

Barton. And David, I

23:13

learned this verse from the Bible, but I

23:15

learned the application of it from you

23:17

out of Isaiah. You know, lawyers are

23:20

at the beginning, judges are at the first, then

23:22

you'll be the righteous city. Guys, man,

23:24

how many lawyers and judges do we have that

23:26

are like at the first that have the wisdom of

23:28

Solomon? And then when the whole system itself

23:31

is being manipulated, I got to tell you guys,

23:33

this one grieves me. This is a big deal.

23:36

Yeah, it is a big deal. And if

23:38

you go biblically, righteousness is also nation is what the

23:40

Bible says. So God looks to see how you do

23:43

things. If you do it the right way, you'll be

23:45

blessed. God bless America, good for us.

23:48

The only way we get blessed by God is if we

23:50

do the right stuff. And Rick, as

23:52

you mentioned, Isaiah 1.26 says that if your

23:54

judges do the right thing, and if you

23:56

have justice in the courts, then that's what

23:59

it will be. bring righteousness on our nation.

24:01

What we've got is we now have a

24:04

system of lawfare where it doesn't matter what

24:06

the law says, it matters that we crippled

24:08

you by keeping you in court,

24:10

by damaging your reputation, by causing you to

24:13

spend hundreds of thousands of dollars by not

24:15

allowing you to have certain defenses in court,

24:18

will forum shop to find judges that believe what

24:20

we believe. That's not the way this has to

24:22

work and the good news about

24:24

this is as egregious as this case is,

24:27

as much lawfare it is, it did happen

24:29

in a state where that we do have

24:31

a fairly good set of justices

24:34

on the appeals court in Texas

24:37

that have done a great job of

24:39

being constitutionalists. They don't care about the

24:41

outcome, they care about the Constitution and

24:44

so if that hurts either side, so be

24:46

it. They took note of the Constitution and

24:48

that's my greatest hope for this case is

24:51

that that I don't know what will happen

24:53

with the court, Travis County, Austin, but

24:55

I know that when it goes up we get some

24:57

great constitutionalists waiting for it up top. Well

25:00

and that specifically that that's the fifth circuit, right?

25:03

And it there are still definitely some

25:05

secular leftists on the fifth circuit so it

25:07

does depend on what judges she gets Rick

25:09

as you even mentioned during the interview but

25:12

the good news is that

25:14

they can, I would assume and I mean you guys

25:16

just speak of this more, they can do I think

25:18

it's on Bach right where they bring in all the

25:20

justices or all the judges in the fifth circuit. Might

25:22

be 15 or 20 on these court of appeals depending

25:25

on which one. Well if it gets

25:27

to that right then I feel really good about what's

25:29

gonna happen but guys one of the things that also

25:31

just reminds and confirms to me

25:34

right is we are now at

25:36

a time when it does make a significant difference what

25:38

judge you have as to what the outcome of your

25:40

case might be and

25:42

it's something that I think so

25:45

often we are now learning more and more right

25:47

that that okay it does matter who's in the

25:49

school board it does matter who our mayor is,

25:51

it does matter who our governor is but you

25:53

know what it matters what your judges are and

25:56

a lot of local judges are

25:58

elected positions Americans, they

26:00

don't even know who these people are,

26:03

right? They don't know what they do.

26:05

And this is yet again another example

26:07

of an area where that

26:09

Christians can get involved and

26:12

they can be part of the solution in

26:14

this process going forward. How do we restore

26:16

a biblical foundation? How do we

26:18

restore the Constitution? You have to have people

26:21

that believe in that, that know that, and

26:23

that get involved in the political system, which

26:25

includes even maybe running for a local judge,

26:27

a district judge, a JP, etc. We've got

26:29

to have more people involved in the right

26:31

way in this process. Well,

26:34

we sure appreciate her being willing to stand and willing

26:36

to fight, and folks can come alongside her and help

26:38

her at freespeechdefender.com. Thanks so much

26:40

for listening today. You've been listening to The Wall

26:42

Builder Show.