In this episode, Bishop Curry talks with Dr. Thema Bryant, clinical psychologist, incoming president of the American Psychological Association, professor of psychology at Pepperdine University, and an ordained minister in the African Methodist Episcopal Church. Dr. Thema invites us to pause and look more closely at the intersection of spirituality and psychology – what are the bounds of each and how and where do they overlap?She encourages us to hold on to the spiritual and religious practices that have always drawn us closer to God and also explores the themes of the sacred now, interconnectedness of all living beings, mindfulness, generosity, surrender, self-compassion, and humility.

After the PodcastLearn more about the Way of Love and creating your own rule of life based around the practices of Turn, Learn, Pray, Worship, Bless, Go, and Rest. Check out Dr. Thema's new book, Homecoming: Overcome Fear and Trauma to Reclaim Your Whole, Authentic Self online or at your favorite independent bookstore. Follow Dr. Thema's work on her website and on her social media channels.