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had Aids ah speaking almost flawlessly but with

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this version about the dangers after. We're. Not quite

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3:58

much smaller role, but rave store. Let's.

4:00

You know I'm I'm an array right this minute.

4:02

Amount raised me to write a good movie and

4:04

I'm gonna change it so it's on the set.

4:07

The. Fifteen or so years after. He's also a

4:09

huge fan of the original him and Michael

4:11

Giacchino who is the composer for this. They

4:13

still have the original Planet of the Apes

4:16

toys a bit I suck as well. would

4:18

even around with us or Bullet or even

4:20

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4:22

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4:24

this. Going to like Together October, Live in

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Ape judo chop. A

4:31

bunch of big fans of plan of the

4:33

ice in this area. Notable: Ah, Judy Greer.

4:36

Who. Is who you know? Cornelia yet who

4:38

is sees why Some unrecognizable unsurprisingly yeah

4:40

but I recognize the yes so C

4:42

word with Andy Serkis on certain go

4:44

he'll thirty thousand my brother cyber movie

4:46

which rather than one you don't like

4:48

yeah that makes sense it or suddenly

4:50

thirty depending away from your ah but

4:53

as I understand it he knew she

4:55

was a big fan and so invited

4:57

her to be on this movie to

4:59

see. Had a plan of the X

5:01

themed wedding. oh my god that without

5:03

with an ape bride and groom move

5:05

up the cake topper is another. I

5:07

didn't know that was fun writes ah so

5:09

yeah James Franco is killed pretty much everybody

5:11

on the planet. Thanks a lot James Franco

5:13

are there are a lot obviously someone I

5:15

will never know what he was really like

5:18

but you can really see the advantage against

5:20

day he reaches. I just you know if

5:22

this includes some hints. But. You

5:24

can really see the difference. That

5:26

leaps forward in technology. He, I mean

5:28

opening it on, sees his eyes and

5:31

like pulling back and that's like raining.

5:33

Wait, Serve my son and then he's

5:35

lox. Yes, but you're wondering how we got

5:38

a year nose or record scratch I

5:40

would have won during the run into the

5:42

woods in the last movie Or that actually

5:44

wondering at all I remember One million has

5:47

puts him. Within. The last.

5:49

Night. As number that there's a good

5:51

idea. They've moved the model forward a

5:54

little bit. Especially say that it's more

5:56

Andy Serkis ask you how they noticed

5:58

at the also he's. Different from a

6:00

lot of the other apes because he walked more

6:02

upright because he was raised in a human household.

6:04

But they had to redesign it. They were always

6:07

leaving the toilet seat up. Classic. Classic men behaviour,

6:09

am I right? Always eating the last banana out

6:11

of the fridge. You keep your bananas in the

6:13

fridge? He does. I

6:16

was raised by James Frankie. Oh really? Yeah, I know what he's

6:18

like. I mean we don't really know what he's like because he

6:20

died. Yeah. They also redesigned all

6:22

the primates to make them more capable of speech

6:24

because that's obviously a more detailed model that you

6:27

need to do. In particular, one of the things

6:29

that was a challenge was the raspberry. The... Uh-huh,

6:32

sure. Because when you directly translate that from a

6:34

human to an ape, the facial structure is completely

6:36

different. So you can't do it like that. They

6:38

had to like... The process

6:41

of just doing that alone, I watched a video on it.

6:43

I'm like, this is too much. I just wouldn't have done

6:45

it. There's a general and a hermetically sealed bunker

6:47

in a deleted scene where they're looking at

6:49

footage of the monkeys. And they're like, their

6:51

entire facial structure's been altered by the virus.

6:53

They can blow a raspberry now. Another

6:56

big difference in this one is that 85%

6:58

of this is on location, real location. They

7:00

built most of that ape village and just

7:03

had people walking around in grey jumpsuits and

7:05

etc. So that's really impressive to

7:07

be able to do all of that outdoors, wet,

7:09

moist, all of these things. Shut up. But

7:12

movies are real. Movies are real. And movies

7:14

are back. Yeah. It was so over. Yep.

7:16

2014 is back. So back, yeah.

7:18

Side note, just what I loved going back

7:21

to this movie, I loved that

7:23

I'm like, okay, time to relax. You know, there's

7:25

a lot going on in the world currently. Time

7:27

to go back to the before times, 2014, and

7:30

watch a nice film about

7:32

a virus that spreads across the earth and gives everybody a

7:34

really bad time. And some people don't believe it exists and

7:37

some people believe that it's

7:39

manufactured. Here's the thing, and

7:41

I'd forgotten this for some reason. These

7:44

movies, they're so sad. Like

7:46

you think, like, oh, these are fun

7:49

action movies about gorillas and whatever.

7:51

And they are. But it's mostly

7:53

just grim stuff. Yeah, I didn't

7:55

forget. I did. And

7:57

I find the complexity of the characters

7:59

really interesting. So Gary Oldman, he's

8:02

not really a bad guy, he's just a guy

8:04

who lost his family, he's trying to keep his

8:06

community together and he's just like, I'm just gonna

8:08

have to kill all these apes and myself in

8:10

the process like he's not happy about it, he's

8:12

not cackling away, he's just like, you fucking backed

8:15

me into a corner here So in this movie

8:17

of course, the apes have spread out across the

8:19

world and there's, you know, most of you Well

8:21

not really Well, most of San Francisco Yeah And

8:25

most of humanity's died out, but this little

8:27

pocket of humanity needs to go to a

8:29

dam and fix the dam So they can

8:31

get electricity to, you know, to get over

8:33

it To get over it, exactly, but they

8:35

encounter the apes and there's a, you know,

8:38

a bit of a to and fro Yep You know, exactly But

8:41

yeah, like Gary Oldman is the leader of this

8:43

kind of colony And there's a

8:45

moment where he's, yeah, when you see his

8:47

humanity where the dam is repaired and the

8:49

power comes back on and his iPad lights

8:51

up Yeah And you see like a little

8:53

He's like, oh, Flappy Bird Yeah, they see

8:55

a little photo of his family and he's

8:57

like, oh, and he's all sad and I'm

8:59

like, I would have just used my memory

9:01

to remember my family, idiot Flappy

9:05

Bird would have been funny though Yeah, that would have been,

9:07

yeah I'll tell you

9:09

what though, there's some classic dad

9:12

behaviour in this Mm-hmm Particularly with Caesar There

9:14

is a big father-son dynamic and they give

9:16

his son a scar pretty early on because

9:18

they kind of, you've got to make the

9:20

main ones look different enough Yes, absolutely So

9:22

you can have a bare scratch one across

9:24

the body Nice That's easier later on in

9:26

the movie Apparently You can wear

9:29

like cool jackets and stuff Like a varsity,

9:31

you know That would be so cool Yeah,

9:33

nice It says college ball on the back

9:35

That's right Yeah It says super monkey

9:37

ball on the back is what it says Apparently

9:40

there was a healthy seven-figure deal given to

9:42

Andy Sergus to return Ooh You need him

9:44

though, don't you? And Coburn now is played

9:46

by Toby Kebbell That's right Um Formerly Dr.

9:49

Doom? Or later to be Dr. Doom, I

9:51

can't remember Uh, later, yeah The next year

9:53

Oh, he was gearing up for Dr. Doom

9:56

Big time Yeah Couldn't wait to see that one

9:58

Awful on set, he's like, guys I'm

10:00

just slumming it here as a gorilla, but

10:02

um... I'm way better than any of this

10:05

in all of you. Yeah, I'm gonna be

10:07

shooting into the stratosphere later. I'm going into

10:09

the MCU, nobody tell him. I'm

10:12

actually being dosed with cosmic radiation

10:14

as we speak in my trailer,

10:17

so yeah, I'll see you losers

10:19

some other time. I think

10:21

as a villain as well, like he sucks

10:23

obviously, but it makes sense. It's like yeah,

10:25

he was tortured by humans his entire life

10:27

and then he got in a big punch

10:29

up on a bridge and saw a bunch

10:31

of his mates get machine gunned. Whoa.

10:34

He of course is a lunatic. Of course he's

10:36

like this. I love his little Kaiser Soze turns.

10:39

Oh my god. You know when he's interacting with humans and

10:41

there's a moment where he's like having fun playing with them

10:43

and then he turns away and he's like, oh evil.

10:46

Evil, evil glare. Incredible. That

10:49

bit where he picks up the machine

10:51

gun and he's just sitting down together.

10:53

It's probably not specifically a machine gun.

10:55

Shut up gun nerds. They're always in

10:57

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10:59

about different stocks. Go somewhere else. They're

11:01

always in there going bloody, bloody AR-15

11:03

it stands for assault rifle 15. They're

11:05

always saying that. They're always saying

11:08

that. Yep, that's right. And I say you're correct.

11:11

But just really a solid decision

11:13

to bring that character back in

11:15

this capacity. I really

11:17

enjoy that and to make him the head

11:19

of the ape's direction. That's right. No, don't

11:21

say that. Wait. This

11:25

is still in though? Yep. Yep. We

11:28

couldn't think of anything better. So it's the ape's direction.

11:31

Did you notice a bit where he was standing

11:33

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11:35

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11:38

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11:40

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11:42

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11:45

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11:47

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11:50

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11:52

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11:54

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11:56

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18:07

Gary Oldman, as mentioned. Felicity.

18:10

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18:14

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18:16

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18:18

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18:21

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18:25

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18:29

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18:32

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18:34

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18:36

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18:38

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18:47

Caesar kills him, he's like, you're a bloke. You

18:49

know, you're a bloke. I hate that

18:52

about you or whatever. You know, it's a spectacular

18:54

action scene, you know, with the tank and all

18:56

of that and spinning it's kind of the one

18:58

and you see the carnage unfold. There's a moment

19:00

where, you know, he's running. He's got

19:02

two machine guns and he's on the horse. God,

19:04

that's what we're here for. This is the good stuff. You know

19:07

what? I like the last one. Yeah, I

19:09

like it a lot. Great. And

19:11

it's been a slow build and, you know, and

19:13

that was fine. You know, nice slow build building

19:15

that tension. But this is what we want. We

19:17

want apes on horseback firing machine guns. I think

19:19

the reason why the first one works as well

19:21

is that it is, it could easily just exist

19:24

on its own and the future is the Charlen

19:26

Heston one or whatever. It doesn't really matter where

19:28

they took elements from that, which was sort of

19:30

threads to what could happen next. And they

19:32

built on it in a really organic way. They

19:34

didn't start this and go, we're doing the plug

19:36

again. Trilogy. We're going to do a, we're going to

19:39

do three movies and we're going to set two on news in the future. Who

19:41

is this? Matt Reeves. He's coming up, taking over.

19:43

I'm going to do Batman. You guys stop me.

19:46

We're going to do it. We better do

19:48

what he says. Yeah. Yeah. Love

19:50

all that. I

19:52

think he's got a gun in his old timey

19:54

waistcoat. I do. But look, that battle's

19:57

all great and it's also very tragic because you're just

19:59

seeing. so many people and various primates

20:01

getting gunned down and it's all for naught. Why

20:03

is this even happening? Just stay in your lanes,

20:05

both of you. You've actually taken this too far.

20:08

I see both sides. I'm an enlightened centrist. I

20:10

bring that to just all aspects of life. Okay,

20:12

well I'm on the side of that guy who

20:14

was afraid and he brought a gun everywhere. That's

20:17

my guy. And

20:20

look man, I love the battle. It's great and

20:22

tragic, but my favourite part is where they tip

20:24

the bus onto all the ice. So

20:28

you're on the side of my guy as well. Yes

20:30

I am. He would have done that if he'd lived

20:32

to that point. Yeah, you're probably right. He

20:35

would have, yeah. But I tell you what, just

20:38

watching a chimpanzee and a bonobo have

20:40

a punch up on top of a

20:42

skyscraper like it's the end of Spider-Man

20:44

and they're screaming each other and just

20:46

seeing that and just making me go,

20:48

huh, we've come a long way in

20:51

movies, haven't we? It's amazing that you

20:53

can watch that and it's

20:55

not silly. It's really

20:57

like, they took the time to

20:59

build the characters up and they took the time to

21:01

give Cobra a very ambiguous death in case they wanted

21:03

to bring him back. That's right. He fell in a

21:06

way where it's like, I've

21:08

seen an act take a fall like this in real life. He

21:11

didn't fall into helicopter blades or something.

21:13

No, exactly. That's exactly right. What's also

21:15

interesting about these movies is they don't

21:17

really follow up what happened to anybody,

21:19

like the previous humans, but

21:21

I actually have information on what happened

21:23

to Jason Clarke's character. Is

21:25

this in a spin-off comic book or something?

21:27

It's in the novelisation of Watt Pota, War

21:29

of the Planet of the Apes. Okay. So

21:31

apparently Malcolm, which is... It just says he

21:33

died on the toilet. Yeah. He

21:36

fell into the toilet, he was stuck, he said, help, no one hurt

21:38

him. He died, he's stuck there

21:40

and he died. Well... Bum first. Tragic,

21:45

isn't it? Yeah. It's not even thematically related

21:47

to this theory. Doesn't mean anything. It's nothing

21:49

but that's the nature of war, isn't it?

21:51

And survival, sometimes you get stuck on the

21:54

toilet. That's right. So

21:56

Malcolm was let into

21:58

McCullers' tent. So that's Woody Harrelson's character,

22:00

I'll talk to him about it next week, and

22:03

begged him to make peace with Caesar and the other apes.

22:05

Malcolm told the Colonel that Caesar was not

22:08

just an animal but he was also a

22:10

great leader. This was dismissed and he was

22:12

promptly executed in support of the apes. Sit

22:14

on that toilet. Not again, no!

22:16

Sit on it! So

22:19

yeah, pretty tragic stuff. For

22:21

old Jason Clarke, Ray Azan. You got any more

22:23

notes or? Here's

22:26

a fun little fact that I didn't notice

22:28

the first time I watched this, is that

22:30

Cody Smith McPhee's character is carrying

22:32

around in his backpack a copy of Black

22:34

Hole by Charles Burns, the graphic novel that

22:36

he shows tomorrow. Helps

22:39

him learn, you know, helps him

22:41

with his reading. And I'm like, boy,

22:44

if you've read that, that's a

22:46

real, that'll be a real odd book to explain

22:49

to an intelligent ape, I feel. You think? Yeah!

22:52

He's just pretty intelligent. That's

22:55

true. Mmm. Dog's

22:58

here, everybody. Yeah. I'll tell you

23:00

what, man. That's again- How

23:02

do you explain the concept of fiction to

23:04

an ape? Oh god. Because first of all, you

23:07

have to remember which one is fiction or non-fiction. You have to

23:09

do that little dance in your head. Yep, okay, so it's non-real.

23:11

Not real, okay, yep. So is that non-fiction?

23:13

No, it's the other one. Okay.

23:16

Where are you going, Maurice? Why do

23:18

you have that big rock in your hand, Maurice? Where

23:21

are you leading me? To the toilet? No!

23:24

Maurice, no! The apes have

23:26

just set up a toilet in their village. Yeah,

23:28

that's right. Just for that purpose. A sacrificial toilet.

23:30

Yeah, yeah, love that. Uh, anyhow? No, that's everything.

23:33

You know what it's time for, then? What's it time for? It's

23:35

time for Dawn of the Trivia of the Apes of the Trivia!

23:37

Yes! It's the trivia section of the

23:39

show. So Gary Oldman said in 2014, in an

23:41

interview, that he didn't like many of the films

23:43

that he's made. And he just acted

23:45

in them because, like, money and stuff. Even the

23:48

critically acclaimed ones, some of them. Didn't

23:50

like Dracula? Huh. I thought he did

23:52

a good Dracula. I think he did too. I mean, he did bad

23:54

things within the movie and I don't condone that. But

23:56

uh, I thought he did a good Dracula. I

23:58

condone everything he did in that movie. Okay, cool, but

24:00

he said he decided I don't condone what he

24:03

did as Commissioner Gordon Wow. Yeah,

24:05

that's right Still Batman's car for a minute to

24:07

blow up a bridge or whatever. He did sure.

24:09

Yeah, but not cool, man That's Batman's car. Let's

24:11

get out of it. That's right. That's theft. She'd

24:14

be in prison Commissioner Gordon But

24:17

he said he decided to work on this film because he

24:19

was fan of the original movies and he thought the script

24:21

was Very good. So that's nice to hear right for now.

24:24

Yeah, you also did RoboCop this year Not

24:26

this year the year that this came out

24:28

two good movies. Also you mentioned the photos

24:31

RoboCop RoboCop remake. Yeah, he's RoboCop daddy builds

24:33

a RoboCop I was like RoboCop made you

24:35

Robocop like can you kill me please and

24:38

he's like legally? No, no, maybe I don't

24:40

but no just no I won't the pay

24:42

me a lot of money to do a

24:44

Robocop. So I'll

24:47

just pretend I'm conflicted about all the ethics

24:49

behind this whatever. Thank you But you mentioned

24:51

the photos on his iPad that was Gary

24:53

Oldman's real family Maybe he hates them. Maybe

24:55

that's why he was able to cry. He's like my

24:57

family. Oh, I do acting to escape my

24:59

family Apparently

25:02

James Franco didn't know that he was in this movie

25:04

and the footage that was used was left over from

25:06

the previous one But also he wouldn't know that because

25:08

he died. That's true. Yeah. All right, babe. He wasn't

25:10

a real one But I don't know why I just

25:13

get the feeling that he wasn't a real one. Yeah

25:15

vibes Yeah, yeah, and how's

25:17

about this? Most of the apes were

25:19

digitally animated after real life Examples

25:22

and so the one in particular which

25:24

caught my eye Well, not in the way

25:26

that it caught other people's eyes Cornelia who

25:28

placed Caesar's wife played by Judy Greer They

25:31

said they used the sexiest female

25:33

chimp they could find and

25:35

then build her out from there. Who's judging

25:37

that? There's a video of I watched

25:40

a video where a guy said sexiest

25:42

female chimp. So Ask

25:44

him what's the lady? What's the lady a

25:46

pin the Donkey Kong franchise? Was it just

25:49

Maybe yeah, maybe it was the lady ape from

25:51

Donkey Kong. Anyways on a budget of 170 million

25:53

dollars. It made 710

25:57

million The

26:00

movies are back. That's up on the 481

26:02

movie and the previous one made which was

26:04

terrific But this is even more terrific again

26:07

these movies just sort of quietly yep Come

26:09

in and everybody's like love apes yep Let's make

26:12

this happen up to the previous one now. They'll

26:14

be like a map at the start, and there's

26:16

red lines Are there gonna be any sexy lady

26:18

apes yeah? Yeah,

26:23

apes are action tomorrow everybody That's

26:26

right Anyways, we're gonna be back

26:28

next week to talk about war of the planet

26:30

of the ape That's right, and you can actually see

26:32

that early if you head over to big sandwich.co That

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is our private subscription service. We don't paywall anything except

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we do those things We said behind this behind this

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thing that's right so the videos got there early we

26:41

do movie commentaries We have done one on the original

26:43

planet of the apes if you want to watch along

26:45

with us. That's right That's a lot of fun. We

26:48

do video game. Let's plays we do bonus podcasts.

26:50

We do a comic book club Don't we yeah

26:52

related we also did a video once on where

26:54

we played one of the planet of the eggs

26:56

games Released

27:00

in conjunction with the Tim Burton

27:02

version, but based on the original

27:05

movie Yeah, that's

27:07

a fun video. You might say that that

27:09

particular mishmash wouldn't work, and it doesn't Check

27:13

that out if you like also we have a podcast

27:15

called the weekly planet where we talk movies and comics

27:17

and TV shows That comes out every Monday if you

27:19

are keen Speaking of of

27:21

course we will be talking about the new plans of

27:23

the X movie when it comes out Which

27:25

I'm looking forward to talking about too, but not

27:27

before you think yes, you're not gonna come back What

27:30

are the astronauts gonna come back? Yeah? I

27:33

think they're all gonna come back. I think they're gonna come

27:35

back who would be the child Heston child how

27:37

old no Charlie, I'm gonna kick down lesson. Tell

27:39

us and bring him back. Yes. They can they've

27:41

got technology technology And he's not around to stop

27:43

them. That's right. Yeah, James Franco. You can bring

27:46

him back bring him back Digital

27:48

I end up with this spaceship I

27:52

thought I died in the franchise that in real life you

27:54

did Both yes, you

27:57

just bits and bytes on this mainframe inhale

28:00

That's where you are. Oh,

28:02

thank you so much to Ben and Lawrence for the edit.

28:04

Thank you Ben and Lawrence. And we'll see you on the

28:06

next one. Grab that, Jimmy, guys. We'll see you next week.

28:08

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Oh, they have not saying that. They're always saying banana. Don't

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