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Hello and welcome to the Wellnessmama

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podcast. I'm Katie from wellnessmama.com.

3:45

And this episode is all about the

3:47

10 root cause drivers of cancer and

3:49

what to do about them. And I'm

3:52

here with Katrina Foe, who is, she

3:54

became a practitioner after getting her own

3:57

breast cancer into remission 100% naturally. And

4:00

she's for. Certified in holistic nutrition and she's

4:02

been in this field since she opened

4:05

her studio at the age of twenty

4:07

four. She's also who's going mom. She

4:09

has seven kids are one of my

4:11

few guess it has more kids that

4:13

me and she has an international bestseller

4:15

called Nutritional Plot is believed to a

4:17

pain, lose unwanted weight and prevent disease

4:19

to become your most a princess And

4:21

in this episode we go deep on

4:23

her own answer journey, what she learned

4:25

from that and how she now hopes

4:27

many people to do the same thing

4:30

though less when Katrina. Fab. Katrina

4:32

Welcome big So much for be here. How.

4:35

It's my pleasure Katie! While. I'm

4:37

excited to learn from you today. And before

4:39

we jump into our actual topic, eight is

4:41

not often I meet someone who actually has

4:43

more kids than ideal and so I just

4:45

would love to hear from another mom who

4:47

has so many as I see because it

4:49

sounds like we've had some similar birth experiences,

4:51

but I have not gone full the unassisted

4:53

solid love to hear what that was like.

4:56

Ah, Yeah, absolutely. I'm so I

4:58

that sat in they were all home

5:00

birth. We did one hospital transfer which

5:02

is unnecessary and then the last three

5:04

were unassisted. It was really nice because

5:06

I knew what I was doing by

5:08

that point. Ah, and it I was

5:10

just a matter of knowing and having

5:12

the trust in my body that it

5:14

was okay and I knew which position

5:16

to get into and I couldn't could

5:18

handle that. For. That's incredible. I've

5:20

gotten to be there for a friend who

5:22

was glad assisted but I have not done

5:24

it myself. That's really cool that you gotta

5:26

have that experience and the topic I'm excited

5:28

to learn from you about today first is

5:30

the topic of cancer and especially the route

5:33

drivers of cancer because I feel like a

5:35

course at a lot of information that floats

5:37

around on this topic and it's can of

5:39

course be very controversial as well. So I

5:41

think to start broad maybe introduce us to

5:43

some of the concepts of things people need

5:45

to know. That. They may not

5:47

already know. In order of avoiding cancer in

5:49

the first place, has a dog that's a

5:51

perfect case for that. An ounce of prevention

5:53

cliche. absolutely that is what

5:55

i'm super passionate about because if i

5:58

could do one thing i wouldn't I'm

6:00

super passionate about helping other people, other

6:02

moms especially know what they can do

6:04

proactively so that they don't have to

6:06

go through what I went through in

6:09

terms of having cancer and having the

6:11

diagnosis and having to like

6:13

figure out what was the reason that

6:15

I was allowing, my

6:18

body was allowing the cancer to proliferate.

6:20

So the biggest thing is that, less

6:23

than 10% of cancers are genetically inherited

6:25

mutations. I think most of us have

6:27

grown up hearing that cancer is genetic

6:30

and it's just not true. We

6:32

have amazing tools now and

6:35

so many things that

6:37

we can do epigenetically, so diet

6:40

and lifestyle to actually prevent cancer.

6:43

And it's just really important that people understand that

6:45

this is an uphill battle because we are in

6:47

a environment nowadays, no matter

6:49

where you're at, that there are so

6:51

many toxins and influences

6:54

that are working against us. And that's what

6:56

I love about what you're doing, Katie, because

6:59

you are empowering and talking about these things

7:01

every single day with women and that's what

7:03

they really need to know. Yeah,

7:06

and I think even just the idea that it is

7:08

more in our control than we thought is a message

7:10

of hope for a lot of people. And it seems

7:12

like that's a message that's showing up actually across the

7:15

board when it comes to health is realizing that we

7:17

all got so excited when we mapped the human genome.

7:19

And then for a while it seems like everything got

7:22

sort of relegated to the realm of genetics.

7:24

And I love that we're now finding

7:26

it's actually much less genetically predestined than

7:29

we thought and we have much more, like you

7:31

said, epigenetic control, which actually puts us back in

7:33

the driver's seat of our own health and gives

7:35

us a lot more freedom. Same thing with, you

7:37

know, we hear many of the chronic diseases that

7:39

we encounter in today's world are

7:41

sort of lifestyle based or metabolically based, which is

7:43

awesome because that actually means they are within our

7:45

control to at least change a lot of the

7:47

factors related to. So

7:50

if it's not always genetic, what

7:52

are some of the reasons why someone might experience cancer

7:54

so they can sort of like start taking a top

7:56

down approach to figuring out how to avoid those things.

7:59

Yeah. The great it really

8:01

excited because there's ten areas the

8:03

I follow the root cause drivers

8:05

that are buckets that we have

8:07

a measurable has that we can

8:10

look at functionally to see what's

8:12

going on that have been shown

8:14

in the research to be associated

8:16

correlated driving cancer. So on the

8:18

first phone will be metabolic. So.

8:21

That has to do with your blood

8:23

sugar And this was back to you

8:25

know auto workers were showing that. Accounts

8:27

for solid metabolic Lee Gifford and has

8:29

shifted then. what A regular sellers two

8:31

weeks and so when someone has cancer

8:33

they are broken metabolic li and they

8:36

may not know if it isn't necessarily

8:38

feel bad and this is where you

8:40

know you can look at the tests

8:42

ahead of time and see a while

8:44

I'm not doing well on this has

8:46

a time. For. Months Sold

8:48

Sex Hormones Thyroid hormones. These are all

8:51

sit own and connected with when they

8:53

are off your more predisposed to have

8:55

cancer. I mean if your thyroid not

8:58

working often lead you're not powering all

9:00

the other symptoms. sorry since system the

9:02

work well so that you know they're

9:05

not gonna work on everything is is

9:07

not working well. Most

9:09

people are familiar with the idea that the

9:11

sex hormones can drive cancer. A lot of

9:14

the common cancers that we talk about terms

9:16

of breast cancer, ovarian cancer In such. Are

9:18

very connected by a lot of the other

9:21

cancers are driven by the. Skewed,

9:23

Imbalance sex hormones as well. The

9:26

microbiome. So this has

9:29

to do with the gut flora,

9:31

but also if there's pathogens that

9:33

are throwing things off preventing you

9:35

know, mineral creation, absorption and the

9:37

suggestion. People just are not digesting

9:40

their food so it's really awesome to eat

9:42

super nutrient dense privy to and I just

9:44

said you're from authority or money away which

9:46

is kind of offensive to me of them

9:48

on. Stress. so

9:51

this would be the adrenal hormones and

9:53

that circadian rhythm that sleep wake cycle

9:55

i'm especially for moms we tend to

9:57

get off especially with those new baby

10:00

and this can really set us up for having

10:02

those adrenals off, which is a huge problem for

10:04

a lot of people. Epigenetics,

10:07

we kind of mentioned, so some of

10:09

us have some, you know, not great

10:11

gene SNPs that predispose us to being

10:13

off in these areas and

10:15

doing some simple testing. We can look

10:18

at this and know, oh, this is my

10:20

weak link. I need to do these extra

10:22

steps. Note that it's a death

10:24

sentence at all. I just need

10:26

to know what I need to work on so that

10:28

I'm aware and could be proactive, not just, you

10:30

know, guessing and such. Immune,

10:34

so it's an immune system. That's

10:36

where our body is designed to

10:38

actually address and look for and

10:40

attack rogue cancer cells on

10:42

its own. That's the design. But

10:44

when that goes off, whether there's some autoimmunity

10:47

or just crazy low vitamin D levels or

10:49

different, you know, other areas that are affecting

10:51

the immune system, it can get overwhelmed, and

10:53

we need to make sure that we support

10:55

our immune system so that it can do

10:57

its job. Inflammation,

10:59

inflammation is a huge driver. This is kind

11:01

of the hallmark. This is what I use

11:04

to monitor cancer clients to

11:06

see when things are going sideways or flaring

11:08

up. And basically, when someone

11:10

has cancer, they are a ball of

11:13

fire. And that needs to be taken care

11:15

of first and foremost so that other therapies

11:17

can can be successful. Angiogenesis,

11:21

this is a fancy term that

11:23

means, you know, when your metabolism,

11:26

when you're metabolically broken, you

11:28

are not functioning openly, so you need

11:30

way more glucose. And so in order

11:32

for the cancer tumor to get more

11:34

glucose, that blood sugar, it brings

11:37

in and signals the body to make

11:39

more blood vessels. And that process is

11:41

called angiogenesis. So we don't

11:43

want that. We don't want that tumor getting

11:45

the fuel it needs to grow. And there's

11:47

markers that we can look at to see

11:49

if that process is happening. Simple

11:51

in the blood. Environmental

11:54

toxins, this is the big area that

11:56

I think people aren't looking at. So

11:58

my clients, they're. Educated and they're

12:01

mostly middle age mom's they know the

12:03

stuff he shouldn't do. They're not eating

12:05

canola oil. I can't remember the last

12:08

time I had that. The conversation you

12:10

know they're they're cooking with stainless steel.

12:12

They're doing all this stuff but assists

12:15

if you don't realize things like mold,

12:17

heavy metal on different environmental chemicals that

12:19

they don't even know or in their

12:22

water and their their air inside.with usually

12:24

getting them and I am over and

12:26

over a surprise came out the weird

12:29

things that show. Us that then we

12:31

get to do some detective work of we're

12:33

in the world is coming from because it's

12:35

the stuff you don't know that army lotta

12:37

times. And. Then the

12:39

last area and the I got them

12:41

all is the emotional component. And.

12:44

This is the one that everyone kind

12:46

of overlooks and they kind of set

12:48

it aside and he wanted you to

12:50

things that you can set off on

12:53

your list and I take this pill

12:55

and whatever. but having to really delve

12:57

into the why of what's going on

12:59

in the body because our emotions are

13:02

stored in our tissues and if we

13:04

have unresolved trauma grief strays doing on,

13:06

it's gonna set us up for cancer.

13:08

and inevitably when someone comes me with

13:11

a cancer diagnosis, what I see is

13:13

that the. Year prior there's been

13:15

something big the has really

13:17

damage that person's. Heart and.

13:20

So dealing with that just opened the

13:22

gates for healing in a really profound

13:25

way that most people are talking about.

13:28

So. That's the time areas that I dive

13:30

into and as you can see there's

13:32

a lot of different things. Like the

13:34

Guy encompasses a lotta different areas and

13:36

and my approach is to make sure

13:38

that we test we don't get us

13:40

and we don't miss anything because and

13:42

Zone has cancer. You want

13:44

to make sure you have all the smoking guns on the table? That.

13:47

Makes sense, and I love that you brought in

13:49

the emotional component, as long as you're right. I

13:52

think that's often overlooked, especially in a lot of

13:54

the medical models. and i i know

13:56

firsthand i haven't had a cancer diagnosis but in

13:58

my own healing from hashimoto us that ended

14:00

up being a really important factor and

14:03

one that I ignored for a very long time. And

14:05

I know you also have personal experience that

14:07

shaped this mission in your life for you.

14:10

And if you're willing, can you share a little bit

14:12

of that experience and maybe what some of the drivers

14:14

that you found and identified in your own detective work

14:16

in your own story? Absolutely,

14:19

yeah. I did not get into this

14:21

work originally. I didn't go to college

14:23

originally for this. I

14:25

had my own cancer diagnosis. And again,

14:27

I was doing all the stuff. It

14:30

blew my mind because we

14:32

had already done like two years of gaps.

14:34

Like we were making our own toiletries, all

14:37

sorts of stuff. And everyone around me

14:39

was like, how in the world did you get

14:41

cancer? I have no idea. And

14:44

so what I did is I stepped back

14:46

and I'm like, clearly something I am doing

14:48

is not right. I need to

14:50

figure out what it is if I want

14:52

to turn this around. And I had done

14:54

enough education, listening to

14:57

your podcast, other podcasts, and

14:59

reading and such that I

15:01

knew that standard of care

15:03

was not addressing the why.

15:06

And I really wanted to figure out from

15:08

the root cause. That was my thing. So

15:10

for me, metabolically, I was

15:12

broken. I had

15:14

no idea that I was insulin

15:16

resistant and really severely insulin resistant.

15:19

But the thing is like, I didn't feel

15:21

that. Like when you have high glucose running

15:24

around, you feel really good. And I have people all the

15:26

time like, no, I have no problem with that. I'm like,

15:29

okay, well, we'll see on the desk. My

15:32

sex hormones, it was about a

15:34

year after baby number five that I

15:36

found the lump. And it

15:39

was during a metastas, I'm sorry, like

15:42

a plugged duct and I found it and I'm like, oh, no

15:44

big deal. I did my stuff that I know to do for

15:46

the plugged duct. And then when it went away, there

15:49

was still a golf ball there. And I'm

15:51

like, huh, that's interesting. So because

15:54

of all the babies and such, my hormones

15:56

had gotten really off. I was super estrogen

15:58

dominant. I was all. also very

16:00

hypothyroid. Now, for me,

16:02

autoimmune was not my issue. It was just

16:05

a run-of-the-mill vanilla hypothyroid, but it was still

16:07

really off, which meant that all my systems

16:09

weren't getting powered up, like I mentioned. There

16:13

was a lot of stress. We had just

16:15

moved to a different state, so I didn't

16:17

have a support network. My

16:19

adrenals were off from staying up with

16:21

babies and all the nursing and everything.

16:25

And we had huge environmental toxins.

16:27

What I didn't realize is that eight months

16:29

before, when we had moved, we

16:31

moved into a house that was riddled with block mold.

16:35

And I have terrible

16:37

detox components genetically

16:40

to where, like for me, I was

16:42

not able to clear that. I'm making

16:45

another person, feeding them, and then trying to

16:47

detox. It was just too much for my

16:49

body. And then you

16:51

throw on there the emotional component. There were a

16:54

lot of things going on emotionally, and I'm

16:56

right there with you. It took me eight

16:58

years to get back and actually do that

17:01

work. And I'm super grateful that my body

17:03

was able to heal without completing that, but

17:05

to my clients, I'm always saying do that

17:07

work first, because it

17:09

really just makes the whole healing process so

17:11

much easier. Well, and I

17:13

can only imagine navigating that with little ones,

17:15

because I feel like when I had all

17:17

toddlers, it was already such a chaotic time

17:19

of life. So that's incredible that you managed

17:21

to find healing. And I'm sure that had

17:23

ripples, positive ripples, into your whole family and

17:25

to your kids as well. And

17:28

you mentioned the insulin resistance. I'd love to

17:30

dive a little deeper into the dietary side, because

17:32

I feel like even among people who are more

17:34

naturally minded when it comes to cancer, this

17:36

is a sort of controversial topic, and there's some

17:38

differing opinions on different directions you can go

17:40

with this. I know my first foray into

17:43

understanding that world was reading the metabolic theory of

17:45

cancer, but I know that there's many different perspectives.

17:47

So I would love to hear what you found

17:49

in your research, what worked for you, and what

17:51

would be maybe an optimal diet

17:53

to avoid cancer in the first place, and

17:56

or if someone is in that experience, what

17:58

are the things that they know that they can... within their

18:00

diet to help? Yes, I love

18:02

that question. So when I

18:04

had the cancer diagnosis, I

18:06

was doing like a Weston-Prise

18:09

kind of a diet, which I don't

18:11

think there's anything wrong with, I'll circle back

18:13

around to that, but I kind of, you

18:15

know, was diving into all the research and

18:17

I realized like, I don't want to just

18:19

look at the side that I agree with,

18:22

that I already think is right. I want to look

18:24

at both sides so that can be more unbiased because,

18:26

you know, my life was at stake. I don't want

18:29

to make a mistake. And

18:31

so at that time, the big thing

18:33

and it still kind of is, is

18:35

it was a plant-based raw vegan diet,

18:37

which did not speak to me, but

18:39

I'm like, let's try it. I actually went

18:42

down to a Giersing clinic in Mexico and

18:46

was like, let's do this. But I was asking a

18:48

lot of questions. I'm like, okay, so why can't I

18:50

eat any salt? Like, why do I only get like

18:52

a teaspoon of flaxseed oil a day? You know, why

18:55

are you giving me thyroid hormones when you haven't tested

18:57

my thyroid? And the

19:00

staff did not have any questions. And

19:02

I was trying to be respectful, but I'm getting a

19:04

little frustrated by the third day, the

19:07

director of the clinic sat me down and

19:10

he said, you know, Katrina, my staff's been telling me

19:12

you've been asking a lot of questions and I

19:15

really think you just need

19:17

a trust in the process.

19:19

I almost lost it. I'm like, are you

19:21

joking? If you had answers for me and

19:23

could explain this, maybe we could work

19:25

with that. But if you don't

19:27

have answers, this is my life. I'm sorry.

19:29

And he asked me at least. So

19:33

I actually got kicked out of the cancer

19:35

clinic and I'm so grateful every day because

19:37

what I know now after researching more and

19:39

really looking into it is that was the

19:41

worst thing for me. So

19:44

if your listeners aren't familiar to raw

19:46

vegan diet, where you're

19:48

juicing on an empty stomach,

19:50

like seven or eight times or more a

19:52

day. Now they do do

19:54

coffee animals, which I'm a huge fan of,

19:56

but the juicing was not what my body needed.

19:59

It was fueling. and continuing the

20:01

insulin resistance that I already had.

20:05

And what I found later, I alternately

20:09

tried a ketogenic diet and

20:11

it was like a breath of fresh

20:14

air. So for

20:16

the first couple months, it

20:19

took me to... And I was dialed in,

20:21

like I was tracking my macros, weighing my

20:23

food, all the stuff, but I

20:26

was so broken, it took months. And usually I

20:28

get a little frustrated because I see a lot

20:30

of people talking online and they're like, oh, in

20:32

three days, you'll be all better. I'm like, no,

20:35

if people are really messed up, it takes a

20:37

long time to shift. And

20:39

I just remember that first

20:41

week, just laying in bed,

20:44

my kids are like all around me, I'm like,

20:46

just sit there. And I'm like, my

20:48

nose itches, but that

20:50

would be too much energy to itch it. On

20:55

the other side, the really cool thing

20:57

is once I shifted metabolically, I was

21:00

able to light up areas and

21:02

heal areas that were not being

21:04

addressed before. So my body runs

21:06

not just cancer-wise to starve the

21:08

cancer, but it also

21:11

put my bipolar intermission, 100%,

21:15

which was amazing. And no one is

21:17

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21:19

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21:21

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21:24

knuckling it for 20 years and

21:26

it's completely intermission, which

21:28

is amazing, a beautiful day. That

21:30

to me makes me so grateful

21:33

for the cancer. Well, and

21:35

I love your mindset too, just to highlight a

21:37

couple of things you said. I think for one,

21:39

being able to not just confirm your own bias,

21:41

but to question everything. I think that is one

21:43

of the skills in life across the board that

21:45

is so valuable. And finding

21:47

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21:50

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21:52

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21:54

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21:56

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21:58

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22:00

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22:02

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22:04

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22:06

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guessing most people have heard of a cheated on a

25:54

diet but i also know from experience that a lot

25:56

of people may be think they're doing it keeps getting

25:58

diet and are not actually doing or there's some

26:00

pieces that they maybe don't quite get right. So I'd

26:03

love any guidelines you have for someone who's wanting

26:05

to shift more into that and or to hear

26:07

your take on fasting and if you used fasting

26:10

at all during your recovery and if you recommend

26:12

it. Oh yes, yeah

26:14

I'm glad you brought that up because since

26:17

my journey in healing

26:19

ketogenic diet has gotten really popular

26:22

and a lot

26:24

of what you hear out there is not what I'm talking

26:26

about. So I'm talking about

26:28

a clean ketogenic diet so not all

26:31

the processed junk and

26:33

the macros you need to have very very high

26:35

level of fat, moderate protein

26:37

so this is not the bacon

26:39

and beef patty you know diet

26:42

and then you know very very

26:44

low carbohydrates. So when you get

26:46

the carbohydrates low enough your body

26:48

can then stop burning glucose

26:51

because that's the first thing it's

26:53

going to burn priority-wise. It'll shift

26:55

into creating ketones in your Krebs

26:57

cycle. So by

26:59

making those you know that's where a

27:02

lot of therapeutic effects come in as

27:04

well as where like what I was describing in terms

27:06

of my brain lighting up but

27:09

it also is starving the cancer because remember

27:12

the cancer is going to be feeding on

27:14

that glucose so anytime your blood sugar is

27:16

high you're giving it extra fuel. You

27:18

want to have it in that like 70s and

27:20

90s range. So what does that look like? I'm

27:23

a big fan of having a lot of vegetables

27:25

in there which it probably might have sounded

27:28

like I didn't want if I'm not plant-based

27:30

but my plate looks like a big

27:33

pile of vegetables and I

27:35

look at the vegetables as a conduit to

27:37

carry the fat because

27:39

who wants to eat like a spoonful of avocado

27:42

oil mayonnaise that's disgusting at least I

27:44

think so. And then there's some fat

27:46

on it so maybe a big salad

27:49

with lots of dressing and avocados and

27:51

some meat on it or something or

27:54

maybe it's some kind of casserole. A

27:56

lot of times I'll hide the the

27:58

plants in it. whether it's

28:00

a cauliflower mash or something where people

28:02

don't even necessarily know they're getting as

28:04

many vegetables as they are. But

28:07

it's a way to hold the fat. Most

28:10

clients, when they come to me, kind of know

28:12

what I'm about, they know I'm gonna recommend keto,

28:15

and they're kind of already doing it on their own.

28:18

And this is where I start with them

28:20

to refine because usually there's three steps that

28:22

they go through. First off,

28:25

they get the carbs down. That's not the

28:27

problem. You would think that's the problem, that's not the

28:29

problem. Yes, there's usually some things

28:31

like, oh, bell peppers are

28:33

low carb, but they're not that low carb. You

28:35

can't eat that many of them. There's some refining

28:37

there, but that's not usually the issue. The

28:40

second thing is we gotta get the fat high enough. Now,

28:43

most of us, I know I grew up

28:45

being inundated with low fat this, low fat

28:47

that. Like I actually remember my sister and

28:49

I having contests to see

28:51

who could eat the least amount of fat when

28:53

we were teenagers, like so messed up.

28:56

But it's really disturbing, and it has

28:58

to be very intentional to get

29:00

enough fat. I have not seen anybody that naturally

29:03

gets that much on their own. So we're talking

29:05

like 120 grams a day, which

29:09

again, has to be intentional. Then the

29:11

third phase is they realize they're eating

29:14

too much protein. Again, when

29:16

you are looking online, a lot

29:18

of this stuff is very protein dominant,

29:20

more kind of actin style, and

29:22

that's not really a ketogenic diet because

29:24

if you eat too much protein, there's

29:27

a process called gluconeogenesis, good

29:29

spelling words, you moms. That

29:31

means that your body will take the protein

29:33

and convert it into glucose, which

29:35

is what you were trying to avoid in the first place.

29:37

So you don't want too much. You don't want more than

29:40

your body's gonna use right then. And it's

29:42

usually a lot less than people think. Yeah,

29:44

and I think that's important to highlight too

29:46

because for people, for instance, just focused on

29:49

building muscle, they might be more protein centered,

29:51

but for someone who's working through unraveling

29:53

cancer in the body, that's an entirely different

29:55

metabolic thing happening, and that's not gonna be

29:57

your growth phase for building muscles

29:59

in the gym. necessarily, that's your getting your

30:01

body in alignment. I definitely

30:03

on my own have seen great results from

30:06

fasting and I don't recommend anything to

30:08

anyone to begin with but I don't think it's

30:10

necessary for everyone but I did find that for

30:12

me it was a very helpful tool in getting

30:14

my body to shift into ketosis more rapidly and

30:17

also just all the cellular cleanup that happens

30:19

with water fasting and so again

30:21

not that that's recommended for everyone but I personally found

30:24

that pretty helpful. You

30:26

also touched on the environmental stuff and you're right

30:28

I think most people listening are aware of keeping

30:30

the really bad stuff out of their house but

30:32

then there's these sneaky hidden ones that you mentioned

30:34

that we might not even be aware of. Do

30:36

you have resources for people in identifying those or

30:38

even like where to start looking for those and

30:40

I think you might have had something else on

30:42

the the protein side too. Yeah

30:45

sorry I didn't get to the fasting

30:47

question. I love that

30:49

no fasting I use as my clients

30:51

and I use myself regularly so first

30:53

off I want to make sure that

30:55

they are not hypoglycemic which

30:57

sometimes with people who are insulin resistant they can

30:59

be double dipping and as long

31:01

as they're not hypoglycemic then

31:03

I will take them into some fasting starting with

31:06

you know let's kill the snaps then

31:08

moving into like let's spacing the the

31:10

frame of time that you are eating

31:12

during the day so like some intermittent

31:14

fasting and then eventually

31:16

moving them into some water fasting and

31:19

again it's all very strategic as

31:21

they're able to handle that depending

31:23

on their situation but it is

31:25

amazing to bring in an autophagy

31:28

which is like a cellular healing

31:31

phase where the body is not

31:33

doing its normal function it's on

31:35

cleanup mode and

31:37

that's super key with cancer. The

31:39

big thing with the fasting is that you really

31:41

want to make sure that you're supporting your body.

31:44

I find a lot of women when

31:46

they start doing intermittent fasting they

31:48

shorten up the time window they're eating but

31:50

then they stop eating as much fat and

31:52

so you have to again make sure you

31:54

get all the nutrition you need in just

31:56

a smaller amount of time which can feel

31:58

like a lot of food. feel weird to

32:00

eat that much food in a short amount

32:02

of time. So that's one of the issues.

32:04

But with cancer, the

32:07

ketones, you're wanting to get nutritional ketosis.

32:10

That's like 0.5 to like

32:12

2-ish. So

32:14

it's on the lower end. But

32:16

to get into the therapeutic levels of like 3, 4

32:19

plus in

32:21

terms of the ketones, you have

32:23

to be fasting and or eating

32:26

exogenous ketones. So like taking a drink

32:28

supplement of the ketones and such, you

32:30

won't get that high otherwise. And that's

32:32

where you really want to get cancer

32:34

clients. So that fasting is really part

32:37

of it. I feel like

32:39

the ketogenic diet needs to be the first

32:41

thing. And it's a slow journey strategically

32:43

through that whole process. So

32:47

the toxins love this. Yes,

32:49

there's lots of great resources. So

32:52

if there's mold involved, I recommend getting

32:54

a good mold inspector. This

32:58

is such a crazy process. I just moved

33:00

and had to go through the process myself.

33:02

And again, it just hit me all over

33:05

again how awful this field is in terms

33:07

of inconsistencies. So

33:09

if you know that you have mold, so I

33:11

did. I was recently re-exposed.

33:14

I knew my levels were high. I'm really sensitive.

33:16

I need to make sure we're

33:19

buying a new house so it's a little different. But

33:21

if you're in the current house, you have to find

33:23

where it's coming from and stop it. That is the

33:25

absolute first thing. So getting a

33:28

good mold inspector, they should take several hours.

33:30

They should be doing physical hands-on seeing up

33:32

in your crawl space and attic and all

33:34

this stuff, not just some air tests. That

33:36

is not gonna do it. In

33:38

terms of other areas, so you can do

33:41

Google searches. Cheap, easy, free. And

33:43

just putting your postal zip code and

33:45

see what shows up, like what toxins

33:48

are in your area. Are

33:50

there, are you under a flight path? Are

33:53

there any factories around? Are there

33:55

farms around? Are there springing the

33:58

glyphosate or anything? of

34:00

looking around and being aware of what's

34:02

in your neighborhood by

34:05

several miles can be a

34:07

huge thing free. And the other

34:09

thing that I have almost all my clients

34:11

do because it's almost always an issue is

34:13

do a testing of their water. So

34:16

watercheck.com, no

34:18

affiliate links, I just they are the

34:20

one that has the most

34:22

robust tests. Now I say the most

34:25

because there are so many toxins in

34:27

our water supply that we don't even

34:29

have tests for yet that it's kind

34:31

of offensive. But you know getting

34:33

a good RO system and then replenishing the

34:35

good minerals, I don't recommend the burkeys or

34:38

the you know the pitchers, britta, all those

34:40

kinds of things. You want something that's really

34:42

making sure that everything is taken out. Yeah

34:45

those are my favorite resources. Awesome

34:48

and I'll link to those in the show notes as

34:50

well as I know you have a tremendous amount of

34:52

resources online. I'll make sure people can find those as

34:54

well and I think those are all awesome advice even

34:57

if you are not in a cancer diagnosis but

35:00

just preventatively. Those are big factors that previous generations

35:02

didn't have to deal with that we now have

35:04

to at least be aware of. And so I

35:06

love that you touch on all of those and

35:09

to your point on nutritional ketosis as well. I've

35:11

seen that play out as well for people who

35:13

haven't tested that. I have a blood ketone monitor

35:15

and it's always fascinating to see like in normal

35:17

daily life I can get in that like 0.5

35:20

to 2 range but on my last seven

35:22

day water fast which I do at the beginning of the year I

35:24

was able to get up to like six point something.

35:27

And that doesn't happen in normal range but it's cool

35:29

to see that process and get that data and

35:31

I usually wear a glucose monitor and then test my

35:33

ketones and it's just really fascinating to see that switch

35:35

happen and to feel it within the body. Again

35:37

not that I recommend that to everyone or that everyone

35:40

needs it but I do think it can be

35:42

a very valuable tool as well.

35:44

And I know you have so many resources can you

35:46

let people know where to find you to keep learning on

35:48

any of these topics and I'll link to them in the

35:50

show notes as well. Absolutely. So

35:52

Instagram is just my name

35:54

Katrina Foe. On Facebook

35:57

it's nutritional pilates that's the name of

35:59

my book. And then I

36:01

have a free e-book that goes over like

36:03

all the different tests for these different root

36:05

cause drivers, the roadmap to

36:07

prevent cancer recurrence, which I'll give you

36:10

the link to as well. And my

36:13

website is just cancerfreedom.com. Awesome.

36:16

Well, I'll make sure all those are linked at wellnessvama.com for

36:18

all of you who are on the go. And

36:21

I think this is a topic that's not well talked about

36:23

and I love how comprehensive you are on covering it. So

36:25

thank you so much for your time and for all that

36:27

you've shared today. Absolutely. My

36:30

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36:32

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