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dave, but they're listening

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who is the interrupted, one of

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the late one, and the one

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who leaves it was in the

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car

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we're still in in the ocean

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in the or

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they're extremely want to make of clear that bring

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why it goes in my ways and how did you reach

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the hundred and would bring you anything

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i'd wait until someone came around

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that had fallen and then i call

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it was all thing and to culture plan on a

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locksmith etiquette

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that you could died out there

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yeah i mean that was the hope

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the because of because of daves colossal

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there he was like fuck up where

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i where bit of a chaotic mess this week but

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term

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it was when i guess i had a good time hang

1:03

out with the citizens the guys for

1:05

half an hour talk , waiting for

1:07

me waiting for day to show us yet

1:10

another they were nice enough to come back the

1:12

day in rowley little bit late and them

1:15

yet you know we have one more episode david you're

1:17

going to be on time for that one right

1:20

we'll see

1:21

there's no guarantees no

1:24

guarantees

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here's here's our peers are here's this

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week's honestly believe that the

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list you're welcome

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him on and off ramps zeros

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were you doing a really do you have any

3:00

one of our guests yes i'm sorry

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i went surfing i had my key

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in my pocket and i did not

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seal up the wet suit pocket and the key

3:09

came out and i was on the side of the i

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was at the ocean in a wetsuit with

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no shoes on and the surfboard

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and i can get it might affect

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the very l a l a story

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so i'm not a hell of a

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uploaded california news i don't know

3:25

way of proving the yeah incident that occurred

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in chicago it's like i was at the wet beef place

3:29

i i like

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em i guess he's in don't have the wayside

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it it

3:37

the new york you just blame it on the subway him

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you know someone's that was me on the track

3:42

right

3:44

two episodes left this

3:46

is never happened us like we're going to make it and

3:48

then one episode to go and is

3:50

like day i had issues

3:51

what else are going to heather i'm texting a generous

3:54

like you know hilarious course

3:56

it actually drag garrison to them

3:58

so you're hiring

3:59

what did the other show me

4:01

hilarious so you can finally gave out of an

4:03

irate nice long conversation about the

4:06

joys of fatherhood while we sat

4:08

around waited for you for half an hour up

4:10

up up up up athletes i

4:12

turned out to be great big so you know

4:15

i mean all these different

4:16

it out your kid i'm the

4:18

team up okay wow or

4:21

about years thirteen

4:23

years old he go for that everything

4:26

these guys have very very

4:28

young very young children

4:31

however i have an eleven year old night

4:33

okay is a year year old more doing

4:35

you you and i could talk for yeah

4:38

absolutely my name in letter

4:40

and i said to make it less i said i'm a kid

4:42

can you not say fuck all the time

4:44

lag you just said i

4:46

want some fucking ice cream and i was like why

4:48

don't you just say i want some ice cream and any doubt

4:51

started saying that on we are and i had a league where an

4:53

angler opposite conversation with my someone

4:57

else , as a

5:00

stupid like it's you just say

5:02

like can you to run a lefty

5:04

and want ice cream instead of the lot of but

5:07

nice the

5:09

i know my twelve year old started cussing i don't like

5:11

it or my twelve year old niece rather sorry and have

5:13

children out she started cussing

5:15

and i was like can we you don't need to

5:18

you don't need like i know you just be discussed the power

5:20

to do this but you have to be injured i play every other

5:22

word

5:22

yeah it's pretty bad they really

5:25

jump into

5:26

the kudrow swearing on their video games

5:28

like crazy in a pointer

5:30

, figure out when i have to stop using bad words and saints

5:33

are i think it's a rounds

5:35

i think i tried to do it the from the beginning

5:37

but i think around six or nine months he sort of

5:39

half of we just stop yeah

5:41

yeah yeah yeah you can you can rely on

5:43

this up on that than probably

5:45

a hillside dollars days a year ago

5:47

use your fucking word you moron is

5:50

and own am i still

5:52

here is my sister's first

5:54

word was shit which is

5:56

why the kid in meet the parents swears

5:59

the i

6:01

came over that idea for that movie oh

6:04

sorry as

6:06

for the only was ball he says blitz job

6:09

when we're we're on

6:10

the to be joined

6:12

adam johnson an amish razzie who who

6:14

are are doing

6:16

, solid by coming back after they've

6:19

abandoned so it's easier obscene

6:22

the didn't

6:23

and i just sitting around waiting

6:25

to be

6:26

invited onto pad what it what you

6:28

said i apologize because was all during dm

6:30

that it's like you could barely see who say why but

6:32

but every said are you visited have a seat and stem

6:35

no yeah see that the why did realize i was

6:38

coming in on his efforts on seasons as if

6:40

there was a reference to song in the seventies i forget which

6:42

one but i i

6:44

one to navigate marijuana

6:47

i know that and yeah

6:50

i got on his to the references from the

6:52

seventies but i'm at know

6:54

i thought i don't like allows it so it was

6:56

like seasons with six or seven i

6:58

forget which is the last wednesday or saturday after

7:00

they are just as it is seven or ninety nine so six

7:03

and i was like second to last was

7:05

like man that is we've

7:08

barely got it under it under under

7:10

the bar where the where where where the penultimate

7:12

adam i went on your ipad ultimate

7:14

were post sort i have it's awesome

7:17

or this is also fairly my fault too because i

7:19

had as nema and i thought he totally reject

7:21

to be be going back in with you have a d at first

7:23

he was like let's do it another to are

7:25

, incredibly times that

7:28

i thought i was just unbelievably

7:31

nice if this nice if hard it's very

7:33

hard to know whether or i've realized this

7:35

isn't call a hollywood know which is really sad

7:37

love to do with some other time no

7:40

no you don't honor the hollywood know and twenty twenty to

7:42

assume that with our as as be

7:44

question asked me ask me if i can be if i'll be in

7:46

your hands you might the monopolization sometime

7:49

the next couple weeks

7:52

oh okay the

7:55

new at the foot party you have to figure

7:58

out where the answer is though yeah

8:02

the light of you know and both infuriating fuck

8:04

of the and i'll tell people i'm like i just

8:06

used to be honest as as a hollywood nobody really almost caught

8:08

call you in a month because i don't want to live yeah

8:12

yeah we came to the with my phone i don't

8:14

know what i'm responding yes the worst

8:16

thing it's all that i'm glad to hear that covers

8:18

all legs were researching some like didn't didn't

8:20

he recently seismic illegal for themselves

8:23

we can yeah that's all me small and

8:25

like that that was the narrative that you are spreading

8:27

for about five years wrong

8:29

, i've been around ally in eyes of spike

8:32

and dick nice seraphina

8:34

from that that that

8:37

allegory diet pills victory tesla

8:39

can we get him on a good know they said they didn't want to do

8:41

it as much as an

8:44

intern and we're and i succeed back and forth

8:46

about blue collar to the do the great episode

8:48

recently birds union representation

8:51

birds and it is it is always

8:53

because i mean i love that movie so much an arc ceases

8:55

to be made for it and against of politically

8:57

but but i couldn't argue with a to

8:59

get to say but the to but we were times

9:01

film but go on the show gonna be fun

9:04

the human

9:08

well i'm thrilled it

9:10

out there we have actively happen

9:13

he didn't know the we have made it happens death

9:15

as you know we did our

9:17

west wing episode a number of israel adam

9:19

at this point and been maybe difference

9:21

out turns out that the research i did for that

9:23

episode while relevant of the time

9:26

did not lead me to continue

9:28

hot sickness ah

9:30

ah you're not miss own thing the

9:32

i really like that i've been forced to be i feel

9:35

like you know having having not watts

9:37

the west wing when it was on or really

9:40

sense as you know it's out of my all

9:42

of my ideas are excited to rate

9:44

it's hard to divorce we live on the shelf know

9:46

i was gonna say like the weapon on this

9:48

is the show the over reporting i

9:51

am , at time that a lot of

9:53

and will sit around methods

9:56

for silva oh right

9:58

sorry for a spare minute of it you

10:00

get my life you have not heard citations

10:02

of eat it i can imagine was as it ever was the them

10:04

but yeah it's my

10:06

new i guess now what they did they really

10:09

is it and the and mouse inform you guys do each

10:11

week just sins and that's and that's

10:13

even after i told you told go fuck yourself we

10:15

don't we let out of the fittest dot yeah

10:17

i did that there's that market for the grab ass we don't

10:20

we don't gravest but mostly concerned a

10:23

most because where it where it where it's just not the

10:25

genre we operate and i think it's sorta depends on

10:27

what expectations are for listener but i look at research

10:29

stuff fuck out of your well we have a

10:31

researcher the last week

10:34

, loses out when

10:36

i was i will say this about west wing if

10:38

wing didn't give him what can i give him my resting overview four

10:40

hundred percent yes please i

10:43

you know which one of the things i say like we talk a lot

10:45

about on the show how you can like something but

10:47

of have bad politics is a just address and

10:50

also and i told him it's like the thing with west wing those

10:52

that like i can see on paper subjectively

10:54

if i actually think it's a very good show it's

10:56

a very well written the many ways

10:59

the problem is that the entire life the

11:03

city politics are all impossible

11:05

to divorce from the enjoyment of the show because the politics

11:08

or the entire pesos

11:10

of the like third act in every episode like

11:12

you're supposed to have the swelling emotional moment

11:15

about cutting social security and

11:17

is the swelling of yeah it's yeah

11:20

it's it's your brain a return to be watching

11:22

lights in every watches as it's just like it

11:27

is so it so unbelievably smog

11:29

and lives the the

11:31

but i was i don't know in a weird ways like i'm sort of glad

11:34

i watched it when i watched it when i had very

11:36

under developed and nonexistent politics

11:38

because i did sort of these riots but in you

11:40

go back and we watch and you're like oh this is

11:42

very much of it's time and

11:44

have a very critical rizvi can get into especially

11:47

this episode which has like three

11:49

or four major exquisitely two

11:51

thousand and six political moments

11:54

than that the

11:56

completely handcuff any kind of the

11:58

that the sort of moral discuss the the episode

12:00

of it's quite it's quite a it's quite a relic

12:03

of it's time that he fell

12:05

, love with an anecdote had a couple the agency

12:08

said you came to your kind of politics later

12:10

cause as as people who are sort of

12:13

of are already going going back

12:15

many years my my objection

12:17

wasn't in an active the same was as

12:19

explicit dover when forced him out but i members are

12:21

watching couple episodes of going home it's liberal torn

12:24

in as about it it and it , all startled

12:27

at the responses got qualitatively

12:30

and people to read of good was but when we

12:32

start doing the show originally

12:35

but hundred and seventy episodes

12:37

because if we're like

12:39

what we're gonna pick worth terrible file tix obviously

12:41

aaron sorkin as writing god and this and this

12:43

cast we know arrive here

12:45

hundred and some episodes later it's like

12:47

we're happy with politics and well aaron sorkin

12:50

is kind of of fraud

12:52

it's like he can afford tricks he's

12:55

, yeah you serious and he's a profoundly

12:57

dumb individual you will you notice

13:00

you notice if you watch enough sort of stuff

13:02

that that the gimmicks

13:04

right is yes it is start to really see

13:06

the seems in the set and

13:08

at the end you really can't see it with the

13:10

with the and i say that with older humility with in

13:13

humility couldn't in know he banged out pretty much all

13:15

that one of the scripts in the first four seasons first know we

13:17

also well know he mean cocaine

13:19

can do that while that's what i'm saying that's they were

13:21

i'd we have you had we stimulus addiction which allow

13:23

they'll have writing staff know writing writing

13:25

that but i a he was i had his fingers on

13:27

much of the scripts much of but as a yes the job

13:29

the all these as do that yeah i

13:31

well as i said an impression is that it more than others

13:34

now he he did your more than others i feel like

13:36

i would like sorkin can have a ton of a beast and

13:38

that way but you know i mean as a as a sports

13:40

night fan myself i feel like i

13:42

got the full sorkin and

13:44

man and once west

13:47

wing came around it's not that i made the

13:49

conscious decision not to watch it was like

13:51

oh i'm better than as i it

13:53

just wasn't really on my radar

13:55

like it was it wasn't a thing that i was

13:58

interested in watching which

14:00

i think also probably had to do with ah

14:02

where i was at school do i

14:04

mean so like wasn't watching tv while i was a college

14:06

i think that's really gonna win the started and

14:09

then because i hadn't been watching i

14:11

didn't continue watching post college com

14:13

and so i you know

14:16

but i also think that

14:17

that the west wing is so

14:20

i mean i'm sure he i know you talk

14:22

about this lot and on the the past

14:24

two hundred seventy episodes i'm behind

14:27

you know he could only

14:29

exist really because

14:32

it was like the bush years right like it

14:34

was is it was his liberal antidote

14:37

it was like oh my god i think that's why i became

14:39

was were born and raised me avoid reality

14:41

right yeah or like the year before baby boomers

14:44

you're up to them on you

14:46

know those those quite i

14:48

mean truly horrific years

14:52

i think there was just this the solace that

14:55

you know some folks had and watching like

14:57

yeah this is the exactly the kind of sorkin

14:59

ask thing that that there will be discussing but

15:02

oh number one politics worked

15:04

never went to as the good guys were

15:06

in charge him but when smart people

15:09

ruled the world and

15:11

i'm at and i think that the with the

15:14

west wing for all seven of it seasons really

15:16

really does that it actually i was impressed

15:18

i again not not really being

15:20

a fan or or know he's had

15:22

some of the fuck itself i'm

15:24

watching the episode the organ talk

15:26

about today i was actually struck by

15:28

how much the writers were able to retain

15:31

sorkin beat right

15:33

the kind of voice their like i think it's

15:35

a little sloppy i think it's a it's

15:38

it's definitely have to yeah despite the

15:40

second to last episode but

15:42

ah they definitely know their beats they know

15:45

how to you know continued doing like the walk and talk

15:47

they know how to get those like swelling

15:50

ah is aspiration

15:52

all monologues right before

15:54

the commercial break ah and so

15:56

i died i saw that kind of like oh well

15:58

as i guess yeah would rather be and

16:01

it still had a has that sorkin feel i

16:03

thought the school i thought the script is pretty go for

16:05

the episode was actually pretty good for like a season seven

16:07

i know that there was yawn everybody's

16:10

looking out the window their next job at yeah that

16:12

more that yeah that was pressed wouldn't have to think

16:14

what a episode is about yeah i target it's

16:16

hard to get excited about a show that's fundamentally that

16:18

scene right it's but and

16:20

the

16:21

the if i'm a has been years since i

16:23

watch the later seasons

16:26

and years for beyond that i'm not

16:28

mistaken ugly this

16:30

is good compared to the sort of standard

16:33

of the time and

16:35

if i recall one of the things i drop precipitously

16:37

when sorting last second challenge six

16:40

right bottom of the conversations we are many

16:43

seasons under the sopranos by the time this

16:45

is as we walked out while forty and one

16:47

and i have i'm not wire has been on the air

16:49

i mean why i be compared to the season

16:51

, of western ever been themselves when they

16:53

met in general now i have another thing in particular

16:56

one season is like total dodged forever courses

16:58

and part where where it has worked the on the west

17:00

mean scale yeah yeah i would

17:02

see the day which is worse less with i

17:05

was holistically now sadly

17:07

gets this one which this the one where so be just

17:09

enough this fight i think that's there

17:12

are no is that when i love watching there was

17:14

a season okay cause i do it

17:16

on a fifth avenue say

17:18

that the oil sands i'm glad that

17:20

what do you think that and right because over the leaked like

17:23

one of the think i'd buy one of the things that sell off precipitously

17:25

i think was the number of plots like i

17:27

didn't want to get were can do that he did have been again

17:30

through certain external powers he

17:33

managed to balance like a lot of plots and

17:35

i think i gave the show a lot across over

17:37

the appearance of a lot across the toss because

17:39

it was if you know he didn't want to

17:41

push back on that to the ones that are grapes is that

17:43

it wasn't nothing carries over i'm

17:46

sure there'll be a bunch of plants in one episode of course

17:48

less than another episode but nobody but it

17:50

was if i could sorry i'm now going to different second i

17:52

think it was born from sorry i just going

17:54

to be my parole here i got it i think

17:56

it was born at born at in television where it

17:58

was just kind of morphine

17:59

from episodic to more cereal

18:02

i'd like you had like really

18:04

fan of yeah they maybe this is years after

18:07

like roddick mars had been had come and gone

18:09

and that was sort of king of okay

18:11

but network of a microphone to the like

18:13

yeah media really is one of these we find a lot

18:15

of what he showed us we have access what

18:18

what was comparable in terms of like vs nine

18:20

was like ninety seven and a started introducing longer

18:23

are like i'm trying as what i

18:25

think it but it think you're right as far as standard

18:27

network told i think i could the point i'm making

18:29

is that like within the next episodic

18:32

nature of the show he would balance in

18:34

a juggernaut fi plot and one thing

18:36

i think it's the in the trash you're obviously and discourages

18:38

because you're not in santa fe one

18:41

thing thing is going so well as

18:44

by the one n one thing i saw

18:46

it is a little bit of fuel that he was is

18:48

pretty good when he's at his peak and is operating

18:50

in all his powers having some

18:52

some addicts the salary

18:54

or whatever rewriting turn one uses

18:56

didn't have a say like okay here's these

18:58

for just reply to your half paying attention

19:01

you know notice they have a similar theme and here's the

19:03

steamers the swelling you suckers speech and

19:05

it's like it occurs this is why

19:07

the enough let me voters or crazy

19:09

for that shit they love it when it's like there's

19:12

a little a little bit elevated right ah

19:14

it's a little bit more than just about

19:16

policy papers but it's about exploration

19:18

or some kind of emotional pornography it's

19:20

the same down your throat and or something circus i think

19:23

object to be very good at i see where

19:25

on and this is why and my experience

19:28

the only sorkin works when there's like high stakes

19:30

when it's i think the white house being a good

19:32

example of why that show was sort of critically acclaimed

19:35

then you're like okay we're going to have the

19:37

organ inside of a comedy right sketch show

19:39

and it's like they're the sanctimonious

19:41

dialogue about the importance of like strike

19:44

i don't know skyn offer from for

19:46

provisions the artistic integrity

19:48

of peripheral vision mans and it's like in there and

19:50

freedom by the third episode or like frame hostages

19:52

in afghanistan and on the way you guys repressive know

19:54

what the fuck is this needed

19:57

to raise to raise i need hated every

19:59

plate and the right and then he did this with

20:01

the newsroom where it was like the thing

20:03

we're doing as cnn is so

20:05

important in it's like it's just not that

20:07

important you know as if there's like because

20:10

words the west wing if you sort of nice easy needle

20:12

and some gravitas to an episode it's oh

20:14

there's oh there's lost in the seats and

20:16

fourteen sailors have died and you have to call their parent

20:19

the to the newsroom as like oh you got

20:21

you know npr erroneously him and

20:23

in good faith free prematurely told

20:25

us about a jab yoga at

20:27

gabby giffords death n

20:30

n and we're going to be smug about that for

20:32

thirty minutes it it's like there's no steaks really and

20:34

i think that like a reason why the west wing was

20:36

the most successful loves projects in that context

20:38

was because it's like it's just inherently high

20:40

stakes it's the fucking i heard here's here's here's

20:43

where yes and i would say that

20:47

some of that is pavlovian that

20:50

because it had a lighthouse because

20:52

they are simply using these words you're sitting

20:54

are getting as yeah yeah when the stakes

20:56

are no higher than they were that's why every five minutes

20:58

with in the west wing they have some line about how

21:01

important it is that they're they're the i can go

21:03

as they get maybe the first episode where they entered his charlie

21:05

when they pass to the haphazardly related and have a black

21:07

eye on the show yeah and a to do something in the

21:09

second episode they were like

21:12

the they were like both they turn into the swelling

21:14

music and he's like yeah this is the best place to work in the

21:16

world and they do that like every third suffer since

21:18

you're a santa ana and as such as

21:21

and a music has and you're just sitting like

21:23

that high fructose corn syrup jam down your throat

21:26

and you in the because the trying to to be calorie have

21:28

because they can and apply is working in the white

21:30

house adam is making the most your

21:32

friend for us to difference

21:34

volatile the yeah i can this is the it's you're not

21:36

one of those friends people's is not interested

21:38

in power you're at the height of power and

21:41

use that power to your a doer

21:43

know is why when when when president bartley

21:45

rails against done god

21:47

and is sort of latin speech which i'm sure you'll talk

21:50

for the feeling on secretary for killing his secretary

21:54

really the consistent catholic beliefs and a kind of

21:56

interpersonal dot who who interferes in

21:58

your personal affairs i like that that's very much the

22:00

his age i'm you but you are in he had balance

22:02

the budget as he pointed i ever say or

22:04

any really allow his budget listed of my secretary

22:07

to list as accomplice one

22:09

, them as like a balance the budget like created softness

22:11

like this is the best you can do this

22:13

the sort of women in light hearted required

22:15

orders of live lot of the

22:17

south's it's like while hiding agitated four

22:19

point seven million more instead of three point eight either

22:21

letter live but now the

22:24

great enough jobs you to eat a balanced budget

22:26

ruff and you know the radio that the

22:28

eligibility of social security i'm gonna

22:30

kill your daughter next what

22:33

we did i just finished the election which this

22:35

entire season was about and

22:37

goes kind of to what you're saying and are not

22:39

to the opposite of

22:41

because com jimmy smith

22:43

character santos was running against a

22:46

pro choice republican not

22:48

or it's truly a duly noted agreed

22:50

with him on most things the green zone so many

22:52

things affected said us has made him a secretary

22:55

stay at this is all that this is the allen all that was

22:57

the thing about me well isn't that right but sigma

22:59

this as is you know i i know you get our tv

23:01

right of but he what he wants an hour

23:03

of t v her to get this you're

23:06

tasked with writing an entire season

23:08

of a tv show a drama there's

23:10

gonna be a conflict that let's say a presidential

23:13

election who's the guy

23:15

in the room with hey how bout of the two

23:17

candidates are basically interchangeable there's no real

23:19

of hit the real stakes the who wins the

23:21

election and that's a the entire

23:24

sweat welcome to american politics

23:26

yeah i

23:29

, saying the west wing is just too

23:31

fucking real so much

23:33

as i wasn't that's wasn't bit of them are basically

23:36

auditioning the inevitable likes of

23:38

he didn't know the time but obama yeah

23:40

the mineral oil set the mccain campaign

23:43

which was which it

23:45

was basically did you didn't have a aside from

23:47

what maybe the iraq war didn't have a ton

23:49

of the ideological distinctions

23:52

because the runway obama ran a campaign of groceries

23:54

more money from wall street the mccain and position himself

23:57

the openly lobbied republicans

23:59

and what sort of moment that was the mountain

24:01

many people the obama campaign force explicitly

24:05

and will tell you possibly they modeled the campaign

24:07

after fuck in the west wing which i'm sure you start

24:09

about as well in the shower nine i don't rehashing takes

24:12

the my uncommon in an episode one seventy whatever

24:14

back to me like

24:16

there like there a it's just it

24:19

is such a window into a

24:21

very particular kind of yeah political culture

24:23

where where are the only place

24:25

western really could have gone you know

24:27

it's an it's like the line from man

24:32

this week or name is are we had to stay from the beginning

24:34

it's like there's only one place

24:37

this could have ended up and it's let's have to

24:39

milk toes centuries candidates argue

24:41

about who can add or balance the budget the

24:44

that them that the highest moral order

24:46

of the show and they already said that

24:48

sort of thinly veiled bush the

24:52

role playing they were very very

24:54

have push in a room with josh brolin and and

24:56

with in wisconsin gallic make him look fucking stupid

24:58

and he wins the developed by being really smart and then

25:00

he he had sex and says are

25:03

you word i'm stupid the

25:05

fight or yeah that's how that works for

25:09

the answer to that to that point out and

25:11

like it's

25:13

a family like the highest order of

25:16

of you know this is

25:18

kind of liberals liberal

25:20

idea politics is like the

25:22

idea of the

25:24

way the executive branch

25:27

or like politics of the highest federal level

25:29

needs to operate right like the liberal

25:31

dream the like to

25:33

sort can ask dream is

25:35

that like

25:38

this this this team of rivals

25:40

idea where we're not the team of rivals

25:42

that was all right like like like we're

25:44

just like we're all actually on

25:46

the same team and that seemed eyes is

25:48

america yeah you know

25:51

and like that seems and dirty politics

25:53

aside so therefore life man

25:56

we ran we ran tough campaign

25:59

but

25:59

dammit hawkeye i fucked and

26:02

respect you and like i want

26:04

you to be my secretary of state's

26:06

and like it's the whole like you know robert gates staying

26:08

on his old of able like coming

26:11

into the obama administration later this is seen

26:13

as the highest order because it's not

26:15

quote , partisan or doesn't work in

26:18

and sit sit sit and with go back to the source of

26:20

as episodes to iceberg for the most active there was

26:22

some bullets yet autographs or walk through it will

26:24

work as a bomb brother or services

26:26

and trivial stuff bugs of but fun

26:28

with some guess we are what

26:31

episode out from rapids out from

26:33

up right

26:35

is ah , this has been

26:37

those painful time of my life life

26:39

good so good ah but we're in

26:41

the final days finally and i'm

26:44

willing willing seats are going to kind of

26:46

but i think wrap up their story line

26:48

here i'm full disclosure

26:50

to a demon out of will not will

26:53

assume that listen to our show vigorously imagine

26:55

guys that there was imagine guys podcast out there

26:57

called citations not needed that

27:01

say they did like episodes on the long noble

27:03

history of fact checkers right

27:05

what a great american hero colin powell was

27:07

or yeah i would log history of pro muslim

27:09

movies you know sir and now

27:11

imagine that one of the hosts of that show

27:14

was also a tv show where he got to make snooty

27:16

faces when actress that each of you had a crush

27:19

on oh that factor that factor

27:21

that into in a better has said my dear when

27:23

we discuss the situation so

27:26

, will his loses

27:29

opportunities loses and and of the d triple see

27:31

like running

27:32

they lay out there their strategy issues

27:34

for coming year

27:36

though you know you come back when you're ready for

27:38

, strategy for the whole board with race

27:40

as a single of an american third

27:43

floor show on a first first

27:45

of his team's gonna be a big one oregon for

27:47

it happened you're stepping on snow and

27:49

is always the have the we can unseat him most

27:51

obviously alongside obviously should probably taken off the list

27:53

as off the son of a bitch and comfort him you said

27:56

i rent schiller's campaign against him and ninety four

27:59

or five fifteen point

27:59

but there's one mean best or well

28:02

he's got an iron grip on that district and sort

28:04

of things for i was barely a seat warmer

28:06

it's gotta be someone who can kick his ass yeah but the

28:08

question is who i'm sure you'll dig

28:10

up someone you're not going to find a same person

28:12

on this planet willing to pick a fight for john hammond you're really

28:15

no way i mean go for it for it the attitude

28:18

if you find me someone will run i'm just

28:20

not gonna hold my breath

28:23

though didn't know right away what was going to happen

28:25

yet while yeah of course first he goes off any

28:27

sort me too complex to try to talk him into running

28:30

and the guys go for it and

28:32

then he meets with t coups bomb

28:34

could sitting at a job that she wanted as the head of

28:36

the and i say such basically it

28:38

that's her story see her aspirations out the

28:40

window she's actually get what she wants now

28:42

it's all about her boyfriend will the

28:46

this is i mean setting aside

28:48

our personal feeling david akers a

28:50

safe to say this is when one of the most in congress

28:52

relationships lucy on the show it's

28:54

when it happens off camera their chemistry

28:58

you add me guys little little or not there

29:00

are maybe some read

29:03

i didn't get ahead with the having molina the chemistry

29:06

in general is , a little

29:08

tough guys i saw the problem

29:10

is i i i don't remember the relationship

29:12

so that tells you how how well it was myth

29:14

done like get a teen years later i

29:16

had no recollection i totally forgot there in one and

29:18

then that the episode they did this last movie sidebar

29:20

that was like oh right the

29:23

oh right guy who replaced sam

29:25

seaborn agreed

29:27

has a western possesses johnson

29:31

he and his the the national

29:33

security prison are inaccessible in a relationship

29:36

and i'm to care about this yes

29:38

i'm for some reason

29:40

the you never set it up the they've never

29:42

gone into what they

29:45

the a all the synergies in a relationship these are

29:47

flirting and and herbs i think they're living together

29:49

either so never they didn't do any like well

29:52

they won't they are are like you know i can

29:54

choose and are saying that we have to work on the baxter fall

29:56

together as a huge that

30:00

the minute acting like that lay

30:02

, and of this is just like

30:04

your you know your mother's moderately attractive

30:06

and you may two thousand a year in your my proximity

30:08

with it together and i'm switch to be fair some

30:10

most relationships have any dc such a

30:14

gets points reveals more the

30:16

it was ordered she was incredibly desperate and couldn't

30:18

get anybody to go out with her

30:20

and you're like minority yet he do they do sort

30:22

of the she herself was leading yeah

30:24

we'll we'll stuff like punching a little bit of of us we first

30:27

met with others but

30:28

the little package

30:30

down

30:31

he should sell to discuss the organ situation

30:33

there and i i have a theory about what's actually going

30:36

on the scene released how the actresses player but

30:39

here we go again as they said who did not see this

30:41

coming

30:42

it turns out there's a real dearth of ballsy

30:45

oregonians

30:46

i'm somebody get big nose establish residency

30:49

in our

30:49

and right sure to buy a house a hundred

30:51

and eighty days before the primary and there in but then

30:53

we're running a carpetbagger against a fifteen

30:55

year incumbent

30:56

there's nothing we were looking for

30:58

in weren't a factor faces

31:00

a fresh face somebody smart but that's

31:03

smart wonky that's you can put him in front of a tv cameras

31:05

not only that that

31:06

i'm from a new like you can always curtains

31:08

are talking i'm a camera master the press

31:10

secretaries to new plymouth have a dance marlins

31:13

gardeners you know all there is no that policy

31:15

and campaigning and i put a monkey see

31:17

the process

31:18

between your washington experience

31:19

the local politics experience

31:23

they are you thinking when i'm

31:25

thinking

31:27

make

31:30

any sense it

31:32

doesn't not moving to oregon simulator the same

31:35

stick with seaborne christians are not

31:37

were from us

31:39

the when should run so i won't rights

31:42

enough series but he'll win

31:45

you could charge

31:48

and i'm nervous enough was enough was i'm not

31:50

moving organism i think you are

31:54

can you can hear the question here better

31:56

get rid of of she'll give a shit about that election

31:58

right go through

32:00

the valley the golden the whole carpet bagging

32:02

thing right by yeah lays out why that decision

32:06

yeah is he originally from oregon

32:08

he said oh like oregon a previous having your

32:10

campaign he's from california is

32:12

does he from california yeah that's literally

32:15

it just he's like yeah that's that's

32:17

kind of horse shit we can't do that she's like i think

32:19

you should do that beat as and he's like this era

32:22

or they just lazy rehashing applaud wars

32:24

this like a george lucas history rhymes kind

32:26

of do it it it's it's a great example

32:28

of how they've just decided that the people

32:30

who work in the white house or the best people in the face

32:33

of the earth and there can be nobody else

32:35

better than someone who works in the white house

32:37

for any particular position

32:39

like the idea that that politics

32:41

is like out

32:42

they're very rarefied skill that being a wide

32:45

receiver juggling and there's like seven people

32:47

on earth you can do it

32:48

then they this all happened to work at the white house

32:50

for the him all do any aspect because out of

32:52

a recall as new have been a village to do

32:55

member what if cj big

32:57

promotion lessees

32:59

he would see achieve a separate issue

33:01

she goes for being the press secretary nimitz beyond

33:04

the white house chief of staff there are yes

33:06

to sell yeah i mean i've known her i've seen

33:08

are now in a number of episodes as chief

33:10

of staff break the to the season seven

33:12

ah and up and the proper worth that i was doing

33:15

for this episode that episode care so fucking much

33:17

you guys i'm led me to

33:19

be like way allison

33:21

janney the but she's hold our public

33:23

where i thought she was a press secretary at my god

33:25

how to go back and i'm like cats you have to

33:28

be like oh okay

33:30

see has that job which is why are

33:33

you know stuff and the whole in every

33:35

to think it is so you wouldn't use

33:37

we talk about that this is basically earth

33:39

to see also genie

33:41

one mate one man show

33:42

live on roman most a yes vote will get into

33:45

her house on an album wait on i'll keep jumping

33:47

the gun and just have no no it's as if like

33:49

a she said most of his his yeah allison

33:51

janney com dealing with stuff i'm

33:53

thinking about the few more it's the it's the emery's

33:55

lottery or the atlantic essay about having an

33:57

already minutes the the apple all

33:59

gone

33:59

oh my god mimic traumatic flashback

34:02

to sit so it's like you know like you're an important

34:04

career woman and you're going to you know and and

34:06

are all kind of debating there

34:09

the which which of their cushy board

34:11

positions and defense contractors they want to to i'd

34:13

sell to get act without that that there's no thank

34:15

thank god you know ten like timothy bustle

34:17

guess the does this with his i got him a measure

34:20

that it's time to travel into that too but

34:22

i want successors once a year and i once heard anybody

34:24

here because , week with

34:26

her realize that the secretary of state

34:28

plotline may have actually had some small

34:30

impact answering how many people in the obama staff

34:33

watched and revered the show on

34:35

him picky hillary clinton's as a secretary of

34:37

state i'm wondering there's a word

34:40

used in this clip on i'm wondering if the

34:42

reason window of the time or of the seeped

34:44

into the contemporary lexicon

34:47

she calls it calls pair of once to

34:50

talk about them so she wants to get done before their

34:52

they'll take off

34:54

keep your

34:55

you know the worthy into iraq god

34:57

i already know a little better a

34:59

favor summons

35:01

you were i read the first half

35:03

the budget last night and couldn't find the deficit reduction

35:05

shouldn't be very on page six hundred ish

35:07

the up enough

35:10

the on his six hundred know

35:12

or is it there isn't any free mean there isn't

35:14

any theres no said he wanted deficit reduction

35:17

worked into this budget i said it should be fifty percent

35:19

was that not clear

35:20

we thought it was along the lines of i'd like

35:22

a pony nobody expects it gets above

35:24

the i want the pony fifty percent

35:26

deficit reduction is unrealistic it isn't

35:29

go back and find enough revenue raisers and crossovers

35:31

to cut the deficit and half and then really sets

35:33

to white house on be an agency seen her status

35:35

proponents we need to integrate

35:37

everybody see back so

35:40

so so everyone wants a

35:42

pony everyone hotel and use berkeley

35:45

like and political context obviously that the first up

35:48

i was only there's there's so

35:50

many things that are now happen

35:52

in the show that a as than been picked

35:54

up by democrats now you would say probably

35:57

watching and i mean

35:59

the what the most the one is i'm sorry i thought

36:01

about it the

36:03

story but africans navigable tell times that on for

36:05

swatches

36:06

oh yeah those while ago and gonna

36:08

round his way into actual bush policy

36:10

discussions and some someone

36:13

it no i didn't there's

36:15

an article about of into got into a period what

36:18

well where that the the advocates for

36:20

generic drug in africa are basically cute bush

36:22

of literally coughing and tasting quotes from

36:25

the west of the separatists ah

36:27

my go there with wow lots of the may never

36:29

heard before and it was in the west wing episode

36:31

like a few months prior and yeah cuts the irish

36:33

heritage the article but it's admins it's always

36:36

hard to tell it's a chicken in the i think

36:38

it's a mixed in with the show and for that's the thing else travel

36:40

with the most them for the was only do just fine to

36:42

santa was i not only did the episode the

36:45

i'm a pretty litter mack recent

36:47

over the last week that

36:49

i'm when obama started his

36:51

second term the

36:54

staff was running around trying to figure out how do we

36:56

get all of his the

36:59

cabinet in of over there for hand in their formal

37:01

letter of resignation of the present can choose to

37:03

accept them are not beginning the second term and

37:06

they're all running are going wait how do we do this to we have

37:08

to ask them for it how exactly does this

37:10

work they weren't sure of how it worked as

37:12

they were not familiar with you know they haven't they done

37:14

this before and then it turned out that

37:16

that's not actually a thing they had old has gotten

37:19

it from the west i

37:23

, you know like doctor

37:26

any wanted basic any wanted that's called power

37:28

he talked to any what the authors you know you talk to anyone

37:30

and as in a lot people military talk about

37:32

like basic training and it's agree other discoveries

37:34

as quote like fucking predator and saving private

37:36

ryan like it's it's not your eyes as he

37:38

would be any about is that you have no

37:41

idea how much the for always basic

37:43

training is literally just like a bunch of jews quoting

37:45

predators all full metal jacket or full metal jacket

37:47

on what no name right and to randall wherever

37:49

and it's just like you know that would make sense it follows

37:52

right this follows from a specific

37:54

set of follows to the white house to

37:56

write a mean the boy basically as

37:58

actually there are certain characters

37:59

the

38:01

it was a deficit reduction on the way

38:03

or the door of you have so torn between

38:05

a who gives a shit be a fifty percent

38:07

deficit reduction of the way out the door guess it

38:09

depends how big the deficit was at that point because

38:11

i think they're to that there's a discussing clinton had

38:14

a net

38:15

the

38:16

her get eliminated the to put that the dreaded

38:18

deficit some you they thought i yes

38:20

gun violence but lessons learned last six

38:22

but we don't know which universal living in this is

38:25

also rover nine eleven did map and one

38:27

a hot it does this deficit huge again

38:29

because of the you know that the

38:32

tax cuts the bush tax cuts and then the war

38:35

not unless we want to know war and this one's is no nine

38:37

eleven or true true

38:39

are you saying that this is an inconsistent

38:41

tv universe as the first amendment

38:43

that matter very much so the out right

38:47

i still i think it is just the the absolute

38:49

craving cowardice the show that they never took

38:52

on nine eleven any serious way the

38:54

get imagine how does vary as national episode

38:57

yet which which we've well he wants i thought the billie

38:59

any doesn't even dressed nine eleven it just sort of

39:01

addresses either real toby

39:04

toby did give as a long speech about

39:06

turning your the middle east in the glass

39:09

right

39:12

the what so talk about zander berkeley

39:14

around the great billionaire

39:16

frank hollis sausages

39:18

exploring her professional options

39:21

i have to start with that as into berkley

39:23

story which is not really a story about the meetings

39:25

enter berkeley as much as as a story where then

39:28

abruptly like

39:29

long been my favorite that character

39:31

like actor all time he saw graham is

39:33

great everything is like we have him and

39:35

then one day he follows me on twitter

39:38

then like

39:39

a few months later i noticed the on followed me and

39:42

i wouldn't like genuinely upset at their behalf

39:44

of a guy i was

39:46

legit upset by that the ,

39:49

devastate and that's it

39:51

that's why center berkeley story i had story i

39:54

as a follow and then and unfollow which

39:56

is far worse than know fall that was followed by

39:58

christine lottie at one point man

40:00

seriously i had so i was devastating

40:02

other side sarkozy made the to diseases

40:05

go to these like i guess is one of these you know

40:07

i don't know me whatever like i've got his

40:10

own the rub them the wrong way or

40:12

what used as very like

40:15

very factual and like you're not you're

40:17

not like me like you the opposite zander

40:19

berthelot deficit hawk he

40:22

brought his probably just a total census and he was like

40:24

was probably i mean yes

40:26

i mean that see no i don't want to say that

40:28

i got however is all there was super you i

40:31

don't remember why i was in canada

40:33

i will not ,

40:35

worker named yeah exactly

40:38

a buddha or to the of of the the

40:40

games using an obviously fake p a rubber penis

40:43

for five years and i started like because

40:47

my son is also my son at

40:49

rice three

40:51

the i met him at a party won several

40:54

years ago and and you were jailed me with stories

40:56

of hanging out of the set of straight to hell which is

40:59

a , doggie door to buy out cox which

41:01

was to been are the greatest times ever though because it's

41:03

like m l the clash and

41:05

the pogues and elvis costello hanging down costello

41:07

mexico shooting a spaghetti western and

41:09

just getting gap on the field and other

41:11

things all night and he's in

41:13

that was lovely that i got i'm on my my

41:16

my goodbye to his new show is a a wonderful

41:18

guess to a great actor but

41:21

he plays one time only billionaire frank

41:24

hollis who's

41:26

been cj everyone i'm with

41:28

his at one time only said see them such a fucking

41:30

not as here if you're the only appearance

41:32

i started out like a long as of now there

41:34

are no different than we've ever had anywhere

41:37

even better so

41:40

he's come to her and he's he's

41:43

, this offer because she's look and give

41:45

obama do next and he makes this offer

41:47

and i'm i'm i'm so happy

41:50

to have all you guys on here cause i'm

41:52

sure this cause i'm to supremely are shit

41:54

yeah

41:55

okay i'm

41:57

starting foundation

41:59

if i hold on to all this money

42:02

i start to look impolite i

42:04

, find a single problem i

42:06

can attack some things which

42:08

might actually have some kind of substantive

42:11

attacked to maybe i should be

42:13

fighting aids in africa maybe it's malaria

42:16

can be clean air election

42:18

reform i don't know but my

42:20

senses it's you

42:22

would have you would perspective on what

42:24

that could be in the make

42:26

it happen

42:28

a single problem

42:30

complicated question highways

42:34

when you're looking for not

42:36

, there will ever raise money for

42:38

it but neither ten african aid projects

42:41

fail because the medicine or the personnel can't

42:43

get to the people in need of structures

42:45

like of the continent was highways continent the navy to started

42:48

on plumbing also not sacrifice

42:50

for lousy telethon

42:54

maybe because we need

42:56

fixing to ten billion dollars

42:58

to fix it

43:00

the watches white worker

43:02

fuck what's it alone and so

43:04

great eyes the nobody's allowed access

43:07

for you guys can you do a really

43:09

nice explanation on what the fuck is

43:11

wrong with the foundation of these billionaires

43:13

come up with

43:14

well a name or would you like to

43:16

take a shot or you will need to do and how to fly go for it well

43:19

first off i'm they're not giving way ten billion

43:21

dollars because there net increase

43:23

or it goes up because of annuities and and tax

43:26

avoidance and such the basically it's an ideological

43:28

play toilet more or less break even

43:30

the it is giving away this

43:32

money is didn't say it looks

43:34

seven labor which is not widely

43:36

predicted which is that why they do at the job because they control

43:38

they truck themselves anyway that aside the

43:43

is obviously based on delegates savings probably fair

43:45

to say this say this of bill gates

43:47

the analog who is this is sort

43:50

of the peak of kind of bano bill gates

43:53

the

43:56

there was very little questioning

43:58

and the media about the benevolence it

44:00

okay to the same wasn't really so probably in some ago

44:02

he spoke in like twenty fourteen and that

44:05

, sucks ah push back against this model are

44:07

specifically around the had it with had it the reason

44:10

why it okay for success with with

44:12

quote unquote charity in africa had more to do with protecting

44:14

protecting intellectual property rights and

44:17

and having control over which is the basis

44:19

of all of us wealth with microsoft and

44:22

which is why something

44:25

like thirty two different pharmaceutical and

44:27

a companies to know ,

44:29

adult government in the early nineties when they tried

44:31

to add up but make their own at

44:34

a h medications medications

44:36

then to get them doc agency thousand simpson

44:39

and creates is kind of african

44:41

help charities to preserve the commercial property

44:43

model it's quite complicated but that was pretty much

44:45

as a great article and republic about it

44:48

that really gonna spells it all out

44:51

that's kind of them and it's kind of the animating

44:53

force of much philanthropy in africa

44:56

the it's primarily about controlling

44:59

the partners typically with the kind of state department of

45:01

us a wine interest it's about controlling populist

45:05

, when it comes to things like and a

45:07

healthcare than an athlete accessed

45:10

, etc so this is

45:12

clearly an analog for bill gates who's to

45:14

seen as is kind of why did i was money

45:16

i want to do something really good amount to tackle on

45:19

it was just got a new product is also the educational

45:21

yeah exactly what's the one be as a lot of pro

45:23

right yeah a lot of good for lancer and we need like benevolent

45:25

lawyers come in and and there's no sense

45:27

of like wow and the irony of course

45:30

of the squad and is i just parallel this this

45:32

this connections not made of course in the show itself is

45:34

that the same time

45:37

craig are pursuing a gas tax which

45:39

santos points out in a throwaway line with

45:41

with disproportionately harm the poor to

45:44

fix the budget deficit there's a guy

45:46

who has sinned billion dollars who doesn't know what to do it

45:49

i'm version of not the fact that

45:51

the guy for ten billion dollars spent

45:54

, good as it's

45:56

who is to create is to

45:58

percent just text

45:59

though mom and job top

46:02

or working class guys gotta drive to work everyday

46:04

to go work at the a bullshit atrocious chicken said

46:06

don't forget our hundred percent solution

46:08

is is roads the sounds

46:11

and is are the things that more cars

46:13

will then driver yeah are under under

46:15

the patina of i'm one the how

46:17

will be too precious about that if a certain africa is important

46:20

or on by okay but not had i just point out

46:22

that that cj cregg solution

46:24

that she comes in is at least not is that

46:27

wanna know why there's like there's a there's a kind

46:29

of hypocrisy or irony there but that

46:31

also roads in there and the laying down

46:33

of of ah you know systems

46:37

of of of highways i'm across

46:39

across continents there's like

46:42

step one of colonial

46:44

the liked a friend in central africa laid down

46:47

rose right to hurt us and canada laid down roads any

46:49

buy button robert moses across

46:51

new york city

46:52

lay down roads teams highways

46:55

to determine

46:57

where where at what point is

46:59

how we and like so so

47:01

this idea like oh you know we could

47:03

if if only we could get vaccines

47:06

to more to more you know poor

47:08

sub saharan africans and yada yada

47:10

yada right bill gates but as late as but

47:12

also the idea of building that infrastructure

47:14

of having that infrastructure be

47:17

like you know philanthropic we

47:19

or you know us either or

47:21

us state department

47:23

created on his is

47:25

is very much a part of

47:28

this like neocolonial idea of

47:30

you know we provide the infrastructure

47:33

right like the british brought the train right

47:36

and so like that idea we

47:39

are bringing progress to the savages

47:42

that is how we solve these big problem

47:45

is at the moment in the world like are so evident

47:47

here and yet and yeah exactly

47:49

and yet and yet it's like pj

47:52

and frank hollis here are seen as being like

47:54

oh wow like the really going to sell severe

47:57

illnesses and this is unparalleled course with the fact

47:59

that the boat the show itself is very pro

48:01

w t o in wrote and wrote several episodes

48:04

mocking wu protesters in forces the

48:06

world trade organization that saddles

48:08

that's internet and countries with that's

48:11

that are hundred percent greater than their national

48:13

or annual their budget two hundred percent greater

48:15

just on the principle alone for did nothing of interest

48:17

payments or this is the peak adobe checks

48:19

petition has been some reform since then but them into thousands

48:22

were horrific

48:24

that with the video a glancing

48:26

at ago and the third world i'm in saddling

48:28

them at all kinds of deadly privatized their water

48:30

privatized their their industries privatized copper

48:33

cobalt rare earth minerals cetera et

48:35

cetera obviously you can pick effort with a brush

48:37

with chose to get some our own dogs that premise

48:39

for second on and and

48:41

a parallel you foresee bring a nice benevolent billionaires

48:43

from the west with you know ties to a state

48:45

department's intelligence to say on or off

48:47

work and actually help you this are too poor well they're

48:50

not for because they meant that my choices are

48:52

poor because they're being fucking fleeced by

48:54

western besides actually by the world a

48:56

lot of your exploitation that's why you're i cause

48:58

with on at night when all they're like

49:00

the connections not made the connection about

49:02

the taxes in the deficits not made this

49:04

guy literally walked in your office and it's like i have ten

49:06

billion dollars like literally i lost in

49:08

my couch cushions can you help me find it funny

49:11

, are you going to go in if they want largely

49:13

about one third of them so our budget deficit

49:16

i guess it's as a former press secretary

49:18

and now chief of staff of the white house to

49:20

find out how to fix africa

49:22

instead of like asking anyone

49:25

who lives in any of the poorest

49:27

countries have a personal

49:29

that never dot never heard of that across the

49:32

continent me as he likes

49:34

our nose was t v was rambling

49:36

on know give it to see that you couldn't going to be

49:38

with us field you couldn't or ten minutes and

49:40

two thousand and seven without seeing that sixty

49:42

minutes reporter time magazine cover

49:45

just just nodding off bill gates

49:47

does every five need a bill gay are billionaires

49:49

are going to me that there was not any skeptical reporting

49:52

and so yeah probably twenty fourteen twenty fifteen

49:54

minute was just taken for granted

49:56

that these were the these were the sabres of the

49:58

of the of but of

49:59

the poor the poor primitive continent of africa

50:02

in there is no sense of like you said that they know talking

50:04

africans and if they were going to talk to african

50:06

had driven african work and in jail funded by bill

50:09

gates that that was okay for for for ah

50:11

i'm right and as you brought up on your podcast

50:14

bill gates and isn't gives tons of money to

50:16

news organizations edited

50:19

i'm so i mean i'd be willing to bear probably that when he had

50:21

an arrangement with with nbc i know they had one

50:23

know during two thousand nine

50:25

and or of amateur the seven but it's got nine the

50:27

gates foundation began working with with nbc

50:30

universe which which it that way some by general electric

50:32

anousha when it was sold to comcast

50:35

it was maybe around two thousand twelve they

50:37

had the contract with a would weave

50:39

and plot points into the show i don't think this is

50:41

other shows they do that

50:43

not done they did that the

50:45

super super ostensibly they did it for on

50:48

medical stuff like aids education

50:50

then they but elvis explicitly

50:52

bill gates not fictional standards well

50:56

i target the gates foundation helping them out

50:58

on like e r or something yeah

51:00

, what they did as there's a couple episodes

51:03

they did he are they did our law and order a bunch times

51:05

where it was like extensively aids education

51:08

i like having

51:10

you know birth control things that were are sort

51:12

of kind of maybe

51:14

fairly benign but there's also

51:16

some heavy evidence that they did a lot education

51:18

reform stuff and many the plot points to

51:20

specifically the last the very last episode along with her

51:23

mom has a rubber room episode which is basically

51:25

just one day fucking gates trope

51:27

and i'm so i mean this was kind of around

51:30

the time the gates yankee said david

51:32

gates beginning greeted himself into media by by

51:34

just directly funding media yeah

51:36

partnership with partnership with cbs icon run

51:39

the time that he he was was

51:41

one day waiting for superman or two thousand nine

51:44

i'm that paramount picked up at sundance

51:46

quote unquote picked up as sundance and then

51:48

of course paramount just one by cbs probably com

51:51

um so there was all kinds of synergistic

51:53

party said he was throwing was lot of money at the for me to organization

51:56

and the time the time think it's probably related this episode

51:58

of thing was more just kind of the the there are swimming

51:59

the ideology

52:01

evelyn yeah neoliberal philanthropy japanese

52:03

need to pay anyone the now and

52:05

i say i'm a libertarian a er mit make

52:08

any but this was their this is just as this was the ideology

52:10

the time again know all all media was sort

52:12

of we were going to be saved by these benevolent

52:14

tech billionaires with made all this money in the eighties and

52:16

nineties and they just had a bunch of billions and around

52:19

and there was no sense that like we need to take

52:21

this the these

52:24

mother fuckers money

52:25

in and give it to people are

52:27

great social programs or and

52:30

then of course you have other have other budget

52:32

ideology which really really captured

52:35

the psych ice and syllable really

52:37

it's or bernie sanders says like

52:39

that emit that even after a man in

52:41

a yeah the

52:42

they defy to get rid of that paygo

52:44

for a magical yeah i'm

52:47

not saying i'm not saying that it it was the

52:49

sentence or are dominant ideology ugly but there

52:51

was a crack in the seems a little bit you had

52:53

yeah we yeah people within the buying white

52:55

house who were not necessarily are they are now because

52:57

of the of the the the

52:59

all the disciplining run inflation

53:01

but this was this

53:04

was just assume that you wanted to balance budgets

53:06

the deputy i was good diners we're going to save us

53:09

i , i think that their horizons chef

53:11

outright adam like the idea

53:13

that you know this episode this about this

53:16

is about the head of next step for

53:19

all of these characters yours

53:21

is that this that this shell allowed right what do you go

53:23

what is next what were their next job what's

53:25

what's the transition look like right

53:28

up for them and that we see

53:30

i mean they did that character gets by far

53:32

the most been time in this episode and i i i

53:34

feel like probably

53:35

you know a number of them towards the end of the series

53:37

is the allison janney character of cj cregg

53:40

and you know

53:42

you know to go back to that idea that they're not actually

53:44

weaving you know five six plotlines

53:47

anymore maybe three that

53:49

right and two of them have cj cregg and m r

53:51

and so

53:52

like this idea that

53:56

yes she is obviously the

53:58

best person to stay the in

54:00

the santos white house we know that he

54:02

knows this everyone knows that that

54:04

would be day

54:05

you know inevitable next step that she would

54:07

do shit you know he expects her

54:10

to join his team that's

54:12

what he says he's like i'm the president to the united states

54:14

i yeah there's i may not even asking

54:16

right and that see you know then

54:18

has that like com to bust

54:21

field moments or wherever you

54:23

want to hear we've got that i am die it

54:25

was yeah and and and and like china

54:27

has that revelation of like oh

54:30

i think the time for being in high politics

54:33

his passing i can do more

54:36

good

54:37

the foundation right like and so that kind

54:39

of a thirty minute but with for the homeless

54:42

has a slew says it it's

54:44

it's something else to where the money as yeah yeah

54:46

so she goes off the seeds of at the bus field

54:49

and tell sarah calcium about the

54:51

, officer gigs thing with ministration

54:54

and she's real leaning towards that we think think

54:57

he basically wine said since then relationship

55:00

he should be talking to her about these things these

55:03

was amazing marriage is not entirely wrong

55:05

but just his way of putting it is obnoxious

55:07

you just want to see them and face i think i

55:09

think that i think i don't like that the set

55:12

up for that for than the last seen rival

55:14

yeah i know what has like he's i didn't

55:16

need to get while adamant got tired and he added

55:18

bustling what happens is of she goes back

55:21

to the

55:23

or she says are forbidden she realizes that

55:27

she , a she needs to do that very thing

55:29

and he shows why she showed

55:31

to such as turn a thing together is that he's the

55:33

magic man who to help her sobel

55:36

for problems like boils down to their

55:38

simplest essential

55:41

frequent hollis

55:44

new take ten billion dollars and go

55:46

and fix the world

55:48

some fun

55:51

that alexandre you oh my

55:53

god do

55:56

you wanna work at the white house

56:05

and then she realizes a course

56:08

you don't know what he wants to their which is go off at

56:10

work for this billion or cause it'll be fine yeah

56:12

i mean it doesn't we found wanted billion dollars in the

56:14

sense that has supposed to have some psycho capital was

56:17

written down my neck for like what

56:19

, this this this teacher this obscure village in africa

56:21

as not meeting their quotas for the week for

56:24

such as and having imagine having as it having as

56:26

living in and making it's in progress of

56:28

an instant but out it's also within the confines

56:31

of the show day for getting

56:33

everything worse eight minutes hundred such as the goldman

56:35

offers that's the golden lights because

56:37

it was just against even imagine these guys been like amerigo

56:39

work at like a you know domestic

56:41

abuse center or like say goodbye

56:44

or go like lead a workers' strike in

56:46

a for you know for for janitors

56:48

and in the sci now now we're going to go

56:50

whatever and which is of course not all the of on the people they're

56:52

the ones you're right on and whenever i write this is not and

56:54

and mind whether to use this as a lucrative

56:57

job theoretically make them or which is pretty much

56:59

widens ninety percent of these people

57:01

go the government because it's a way you if

57:03

you parlay that into a corporate every middle hundred less

57:05

salt and this is the moments where they're not only getting

57:08

there

57:09

their own the

57:12

they're paid either that or there are you know there are inevitable

57:14

today after making what a hundred and eighty as a me

57:16

no fucking white house staffer

57:19

making half making million working some bullshit board but

57:21

this but this and this is what this

57:23

is pretty much that normalized and okay

57:25

i remember specifically the it was at the i'm

57:27

not aaron sorkin to the andrew ross sorkin movie

57:30

about the the for the the crash in two thousand

57:32

and nine where there's dislike i think

57:34

cynthia nixon is has this indignant moment where

57:36

someone suggests that dumb

57:39

paulson there's a bush [unk] treasury secretary

57:41

paulson the jehovah's witness if

57:44

with what's his name anyway and repulsive makes

57:46

building is a multi a multi a multi

57:48

multi multi millionaire a goldman sachs and then

57:50

they're like someone suggests some like impropriety

57:53

that he had he was the treasury secretary but had work

57:55

tickle this action was going to work goldman sachs later

57:57

and they're like they choose to do this they lose that

57:59

you know they have

57:59

so up a lot of stock to come work for the government

58:02

they do this because a patriotic duty and to sit there like

58:04

it's like as the it's a guy thing like two thousand and

58:06

ten it was this perfectly logical moment

58:08

like each even suggested a revolving door politics

58:10

or any kind of institution friday right was

58:13

a fight vulgar and shows

58:15

like questioning because they do that right same seaborne works

58:17

as you know yet you make a fortune

58:19

worse as a corporate lawyer they all work at corporate lawyers

58:21

in the oldest laundered through and it's totally good and

58:23

they're actually doing the world a favor by taking

58:26

their massive fucking intellect and

58:29

exists going into a quote unquote public sector

58:31

for two years and it's not that they're using that

58:33

to parlay their connections to connections private sector

58:35

to d to fucking private equity firms

58:37

are the common group or or or

58:39

or or albright's don't break your new the shitty

58:41

fucking saudi funded fucking you

58:44

know strategic consulting fee for not enough

58:46

they're enough they're you a fucking favor by

58:48

existing and as our facility is a bus

58:50

feel that my process

58:52

yeah you do our wedding to kids called power

58:54

data he's like he's he's very much aware

58:56

that he's going to be quote mr cj cregg as

58:58

he leaned into at yeah and that's pretty much

59:00

the dream of all the of

59:03

all me myself and co like i want to be like oh you

59:05

make eight hundred thousand dollars your new i'm going to make you fucking

59:07

risotto i'm i'm happy to do that fuck

59:09

yeah

59:12

there's no machismo here he's got the beard

59:14

you know he looks like he drinks ita and he's living

59:16

the dream and i'm like good for you buddy i'm i'm

59:18

happy i found you found out in front of you might be

59:20

fix nine podcast yeah exactly

59:23

it's , just able to like slide

59:25

into the west wing of the white house without

59:28

my like no security my

59:30

take the chief of staff out of to lunch

59:33

one have three has chief of staff

59:36

off as easily as much as what are the white

59:38

house he's lost his him is he on

59:40

some list the mean isn't here we are malaria is

59:42

gotta he's he's he's got the bad what

59:45

he was doing their back in the day when a little runner

59:47

where the badgers further for pilot episode and then

59:49

decided it was too weird to have effort they know that

59:51

a better to the government they disappeared

59:54

, get i times i've a toby

59:56

before we

59:58

yeah the phone

1:00:00

one to the whole kobe thing which again

1:00:02

view member out of the did he was so

1:00:04

vague it's never quite clear why

1:00:07

toby has done the he's

1:00:09

done and they have over the course the past

1:00:11

he them

1:00:12

sort of revised it and altered it and

1:00:14

changed what yeah what it was supposed to be like

1:00:16

as was it like a valerie plame situation with

1:00:18

that though i know it's it's like there's there's

1:00:21

astronauts stuck in a shuttle of

1:00:23

what inspired delay i pod with some kind

1:00:25

of bush era thing i think oh yea i was

1:00:27

definitely valerie plame ah

1:00:29

not isaac is it all eras always

1:00:31

did we did we found some fun

1:00:34

with and some evidence that and

1:00:36

said he talked about all the other whistling but i guess that

1:00:40

toby had gotten into it with the show writers

1:00:43

or one writer in particular

1:00:46

and they're like mean like richard

1:00:48

chef jeff ,

1:00:50

yeah and i'm like oh bless

1:00:52

my the there is kind of like let's like this

1:00:55

wow beautiful got to him do with like that

1:00:57

he did under duress because it never quite make

1:00:59

sense with yeah because of i would call it's

1:01:01

very it doesn't

1:01:04

it's very jarring and very consistent with the rest

1:01:06

of the show the adjoining consist

1:01:08

of illiterate other thing he does doesn't actually

1:01:10

have an impact as i believe was saving

1:01:12

his astronauts manslaughter already back and

1:01:15

know so their client it had

1:01:17

something to do right with like revealing

1:01:19

a new t v quince about really

1:01:21

i'll have terrorists if there's some military

1:01:23

shot all that also has like some russian defector

1:01:25

on it or maybe not a defector they're like

1:01:28

that old working with the that's

1:01:30

the noted other ea military

1:01:32

space so yeah he was very obvious exists

1:01:35

i vaguely remember that like that but but

1:01:37

also at this point we now know that he

1:01:39

didn't legal wait

1:01:42

rebel episodes go they revealed that he actually

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didn't do it whoa who didn't

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he why you taking the here discussion with his

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lawyer will cj apparently did it member that

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josh we just one of she's on her give her up

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as you see not going to give her up a he didn't

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actually legion lousy

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are ignoring and if you're is obviously that you

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get a spoiler lead to the into pardoning am

1:02:02

i don't actually know i , he does

1:02:04

the into mexico canada cannabis as he

1:02:06

didn't have a it's leading into that

1:02:09

into that that series finale

1:02:11

adam so let's not let's that's but yeah no

1:02:13

we have her amazon answer but that's the craziest

1:02:15

made this my want to get into the show because it's about

1:02:17

these other know know was as examples

1:02:20

where we're bartlett's alleged nobility

1:02:22

just make some kind of a monster a ah

1:02:25

toby's ex wife sings missoula

1:02:27

weird thing is he still his ex wife daves she's

1:02:29

like the the kids together they're

1:02:31

spending time with them i use and stalking

1:02:33

her for a while he bought her how she

1:02:36

likes to try to get her back

1:02:38

into remember that yeah not entirely gray

1:02:40

without that worked as

1:02:42

i have no idea what's going on so

1:02:45

she comes in she shows see a picture of her twins

1:02:47

with toby we have no idea how

1:02:50

their weirdly ship has as worked out

1:02:53

i know this is awkward and he's to stuff a lot

1:02:55

of people

1:02:56

including you

1:02:58

the one who's the president but he was attempting

1:03:00

to save the lives of three astronauts suffocating

1:03:02

to death in a tin can somewhere was to the movies

1:03:05

are you imagine having to resign sexy sugar metal

1:03:07

the sea lions for nuclear accountability the

1:03:10

arms control advocacy collaborative

1:03:12

that council for a little the world

1:03:14

the profile many york times magazine

1:03:16

the petition i thought

1:03:17

thousands of needs city

1:03:19

a lot of people who think it's time for bartlett to come

1:03:22

home to his base and acknowledge the fact

1:03:24

that carpeting the happens with knicks is a crappy idea

1:03:28

i know the present was angry he has every right to be

1:03:30

we're talking about

1:03:34

the most recent those the great bird york hours

1:03:37

or shouted the actors machine was an issue

1:03:39

with him and ,

1:03:41

know are a little bit but she's good to get great singer

1:03:43

we both lost our oscars are the same year

1:03:45

so much how

1:03:48

many brag

1:03:49

see i want me to nominated eight years as

1:03:51

a way of my way

1:03:53

and how many how many oscars we have between us

1:03:57

having them out sooner or

1:03:59

the

1:04:01

but but there are so yes within

1:04:03

see dig i'm matter play the toby seeing as

1:04:05

it's get along employee was so weird bit of

1:04:07

flirting is between them the the

1:04:09

you know i i i liked that actually i'm

1:04:11

i'm gonna be on as our lives below the when it was

1:04:13

under here and i probably

1:04:16

of the blood remember anything that

1:04:18

i liked i liked i the only way i could visualize

1:04:20

it making any sense is that toby's but to go to prison for

1:04:22

five years and it's like you know what amazon

1:04:25

, the ominously to seventy

1:04:27

five footer the buzzard you know think i'm

1:04:29

fucking really fact my my app you'll go for such them

1:04:31

out and dumb

1:04:33

because otherwise because it is if they would take

1:04:35

they they were positioning a little close but otherwise

1:04:37

you wouldn't have any sexual tension but i really think they

1:04:39

were just like kind of boring

1:04:42

let's make a note list as add some gratuitous sexual

1:04:44

tension is the second to last episode why not

1:04:46

fucking you know between two characters who have

1:04:48

not had it for savvy row and i

1:04:50

thought by terribly well sauna old and

1:04:52

hot and was just this is do it out

1:04:55

how big is episode a ban if they just

1:04:58

started to cry yeah know why already

1:05:00

minutes

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them value never randall desert

1:05:03

talked about it again never remarried again

1:05:06

i just act like it didn't happen until the inevitable

1:05:09

and uninspired netflix reboot

1:05:10

read gonna one on one of this is a studio know

1:05:13

this essay at the time to give my the wasn't depressed

1:05:15

and we do think that that santos

1:05:18

makings in axes secretary of state

1:05:20

may have in fact inspired reality

1:05:22

but you know if you're saying you're watching

1:05:24

this thing and santos last week is go on a

1:05:26

be my secretary of state to republican it is

1:05:28

beyond let's fucking insane so

1:05:31

they do they thing they do in a lot of bad tv

1:05:33

for bad bit bad writing into the whistling all the time

1:05:36

oh yeah fitness

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serious offer he

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made me an offer he

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, on as the next an office

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sectors to she did

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not see did

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maybe this was thing is ever done impressive

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as you have

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have that you respect that allowed

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i was brilliant money

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the alligators it really amongst moron

1:06:03

abuse overhead assorted years with someone to give

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a speech and another character would go there was

1:06:07

there was speech have ever heard yeah he did our

1:06:09

oh i love i love that when it's when he has characters components

1:06:11

organs on writing whipping like us hockey doesn't

1:06:13

use the as you just took my

1:06:16

brains and you just fucking

1:06:18

rip them out massage met with them back in

1:06:20

my head to the greatest writer ever person wrote

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this the only while writing is like

1:06:24

to see the show rts like low as

1:06:27

i think i think the hardest thing to do in

1:06:29

i've been told they serve as you like history or things

1:06:31

when he of the comet other was like within the movie

1:06:33

fighting force or the to go to genius writer is that every

1:06:35

time they're about to read the writing they cut to the next scene is

1:06:38

like how do you know yeah you can actually

1:06:40

have someone ,

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good and then i know what an issue where faith

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art yells be dot hallways

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of heaven are cluttered with angels

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and ah my usual initiatives

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there there the fire exits with

1:06:54

with with beautiful souls and i'm and

1:06:57

i should be pulling out i'm sorry but your

1:06:59

what you do you're hiring real writers write

1:07:01

the sake rating you know some why some it's like

1:07:03

music you have to hire a third party to come in and do

1:07:06

another him and that kind and thing but

1:07:08

we their writers though that's the thing successful

1:07:11

efforts on efforts are all his writings

1:07:13

does that doesn't like that kind of doesn't dispute ready

1:07:15

whenever but they have that they rumors that sort and does

1:07:18

do and lot of those rising for full of praise

1:07:20

the rising have heard that we have to reset true

1:07:22

that would not have rumors as be legit

1:07:24

room right now that's horrible but

1:07:27

guy you want everything to sound like the west

1:07:30

the early why not go to the source mean i'm sure did

1:07:32

anything he writes perfectly good the been

1:07:34

outspoken speeches i'm sure so

1:07:36

didn't do we get to the sort of finale of the for this

1:07:39

episode like sega started sheath about

1:07:41

the situation with toby

1:07:44

when you think

1:07:46

happens if

1:07:48

, as the prisoner to commute toby ziegler sons

1:07:51

sons you can i don't know

1:07:53

really i'm asking for your

1:07:55

opinion

1:07:56

my opinion is he

1:07:59

compromise to crucial defense department pro

1:08:02

he undermined the president's authority she

1:08:04

committed a federal offense he goes to jail

1:08:06

young children who for the next five

1:08:09

years ago have to look at him and an orange jumpsuit

1:08:11

across aluminum picnic tables and don't

1:08:13

get me wrong i'm furious at him

1:08:15

and want to keep them in the stomach a few times but i don't

1:08:17

want him to us rotten the several pokey

1:08:22

i love how many lives in this episode of israel like reached

1:08:24

by people don't go to jail as soon

1:08:28

as the innocently as guiding factor

1:08:30

here right like words as sweet as i didn't realize

1:08:33

that is necessarily opposed to get

1:08:35

our grid i don't think she's i never got

1:08:37

abolitionists the you know he's acting the water

1:08:40

boy is , is unlike others

1:08:42

other people that go to them are all go to those

1:08:45

those have who have no to because the because

1:08:49

as for other people not for people that we

1:08:51

you know as soon as it's thousand dollar townhomes thousand

1:08:53

in townhomes

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a weird immoral

1:08:58

universe where into now because it's like on

1:09:00

one hand yeah berlitz

1:09:02

correct not to consider it going

1:09:04

to the was given to brother and like he

1:09:07

would have given like bill clinton part know bunch

1:09:09

of these shuttle her yeah you

1:09:12

know trump is why know a guy who wouldn't pardon

1:09:14

someone who worked for him of like as just discuss he's been

1:09:16

bastard if you don't like

1:09:18

anybody yeah exactly

1:09:20

such as weird thing where you're like yeah they're all

1:09:22

right but usually is he being a

1:09:24

dick by actually do the right sitting

1:09:26

in baghdad don't know i'm definitely

1:09:28

probe hard and i think and in general

1:09:31

i just got a generous you're right

1:09:33

, boy friend either rise rise

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isis like it's amazing that like she's

1:09:38

really like oh yeah but i mean like but i

1:09:40

know him and he has kids and it's like okay

1:09:42

that a successor a number of court

1:09:44

houses around d c that i think uses

1:09:47

talking uses a male that it

1:09:49

out because i extend your list of ah

1:09:51

you know potential partners to bring to part with

1:09:53

as the does the the dastardly this

1:09:56

of the show the walls of the

1:09:58

stackhouse filibuster where

1:10:00

there's some crazy old senator is going to do an

1:10:02

actual filibuster over some a

1:10:04

bill , helping learning disabled

1:10:06

kids and the white house is what we got to stop him for

1:10:08

doing this is bad and then they find

1:10:11

out shock of shocked the big they're not reveal he

1:10:13

actually has a granted his learning

1:10:15

disabled in the likes of god dammit we

1:10:17

are toward him any sniper

1:10:19

thing is i'm a glutton yeah

1:10:22

but it's yeah but where it's like people were like who

1:10:24

was was like bush going off to see i think of the first

1:10:26

portray going of the see it was terrible

1:10:28

on age like oh my god is as bad as reagan

1:10:31

people are dying in the street and the like while he's

1:10:33

got a friend whose son is dying of aids

1:10:35

and he's going to visit him in the hospital

1:10:38

yeah

1:10:40

the riddle remember any her about and world

1:10:43

the sole reason secure the dick cheney support

1:10:45

steamers his daughter's death but but but

1:10:47

but it sets of have another one where the public response

1:10:49

is like oh come on his are these

1:10:51

goods as he cares about is now as i pursued

1:10:54

and i have a if only if is the or god

1:10:56

forbid you try to get funding for some like obscure

1:10:58

disease and only six one and two hundred thousand two

1:11:00

hundred million people it's like i've started you're on your

1:11:02

own tags i prefer to ah but we

1:11:04

will get funding for long covert because

1:11:07

a bunch of senators and and people

1:11:09

mouse have long coat with senator

1:11:11

was as is ubiquitous and a fuzzy style you really

1:11:13

need a series critical mass of death and and suddenly

1:11:18

the

1:11:20

the

1:11:21

this was a good episode you guys because with is a

1:11:23

a wire under for the idea in

1:11:25

the wheelhouse sorry no sorkin but

1:11:28

but , it's as if

1:11:30

, have someplace like sorkin what's what's amazing

1:11:32

actually is is is that you

1:11:35

know one

1:11:36

obviously

1:11:37

plenty of ah on has

1:11:39

suvs i've done west wing stuff you know luke

1:11:42

luke savages talked about it we didn't we didn't have

1:11:44

as and another on are still megan's you

1:11:46

know if you don't have to tell know on original the shows nema

1:11:48

litter knows better than on a thing

1:11:50

when i was sucking que se saying is what

1:11:53

is striking to me consistently

1:11:57

is how playing back the audio

1:12:00

the audio only unlike

1:12:02

no one has any entered

1:12:05

that like eating like it is kind of amazing

1:12:08

to me

1:12:10

during these clips that

1:12:12

you know most of them most of them except

1:12:14

for like the bus field seems

1:12:16

the you know don't have music and

1:12:20

mike

1:12:21

some people talking i know

1:12:23

that's like that's the whole fucking thing or day i get

1:12:25

it but like just hearing the audio

1:12:28

it's

1:12:29

man for eternity that acting like

1:12:32

oh my what a little him

1:12:35

a mean whatever really are they definitely have seen

1:12:37

your items like it's clear yeah they're

1:12:39

gonna phone company plots as company plots of like

1:12:41

like mop up stuff since i've

1:12:44

you know i see like kinda like the episode

1:12:46

a photo with okay of the stuff with bus the the

1:12:48

cj felt like somewhat real

1:12:50

in a kind of detached news was like

1:12:53

yes like i'm not i was have a missing out

1:12:55

having watched this one and i say was a the

1:12:57

one that was actually a really good precursor to this

1:13:00

the episode to displacement

1:13:03

that bradley whitford

1:13:05

about the written those are those aren't you episode to

1:13:07

get out the cj episodes you in india you know

1:13:09

like ah you know previously on

1:13:12

i'm they showed clips from the from the

1:13:14

other one that i'd watch else i guy the i'm felt

1:13:16

pretty of the day arguing for that reason with the was

1:13:18

just like a prince finer directing his own episode

1:13:20

thing like was with this like pj's

1:13:22

the classics to center for economic would

1:13:24

not a producer not a janney join okay

1:13:27

as much as i thought they were actors

1:13:29

the board is a second i actually also really

1:13:32

really like this episode there was something weirdly

1:13:34

perverse about it being

1:13:36

the

1:13:37

i think so real like in that kind

1:13:39

of like

1:13:40

these people take themselves this kind of seriously

1:13:43

in the way that yes obviously these the jobs

1:13:45

that they would consider on their way and the white house

1:13:48

and the way that they would and of interact

1:13:50

with each other not just within the world of the show but

1:13:52

aspiration only within the world of like democratic

1:13:55

politics and so i thought there

1:13:57

was something incredibly sort of genuine

1:14:01

about what about it except

1:14:04

without any sort of self awareness

1:14:06

to realize that

1:14:08

it's actually like your actually being shitty

1:14:11

like , they're doing all the name is david

1:14:13

a hunch they feel knows all about it because she's

1:14:16

like i could go work at something of a corporation for two hundred

1:14:18

you know the may brooklyn the board of directors for four hundred grand

1:14:20

however and that and they're like i don't want to

1:14:22

do that i'd like to work which is the great courses in the west

1:14:24

wing world like with and just to work has the highest

1:14:26

moral thing you can do do work

1:14:28

for it's a it's a it's that it's

1:14:30

the i'm and work in the main show that

1:14:33

obama documentary where they cuts all the red bulls in the garbage

1:14:35

can and they're like oh yes a yes most

1:14:39

and like there's no sense of like do those

1:14:41

jobs are going to work for open up from a billionaire

1:14:43

is actually considered a virtue because it's like better than

1:14:45

working actually working at m

1:14:48

i dunno or whatever

1:14:50

evil corporation and its of course they're all they're same

1:14:52

thing so they don't ahead you are they

1:14:54

might

1:14:56

yeah let's see if they really like to work they should go to mcdonalds

1:14:58

and just get jobs they're like there's that

1:15:00

is your i really dislike for worries juri working

1:15:03

with their the smartest most talented most capable

1:15:05

most most most their their love letter

1:15:07

to meritocracy

1:15:09

image they're better than everyone else this thing they

1:15:11

do and it's not clear what they do other than like

1:15:14

the guy i say get the right well the politics

1:15:17

the added policies are they they fashion policy

1:15:20

they outmaneuver the press

1:15:22

they

1:15:24

they are they reckon it's the kind of rate as warm

1:15:26

as most wonderful pets as ever know they

1:15:28

raised the level of debate

1:15:30

whatever that means yeah

1:15:33

legacy of the berlin

1:15:35

station by we should should mention that brian see

1:15:37

our are free floating aged

1:15:39

of chaos and chaos and guide

1:15:42

as put up on his website i

1:15:44

post this unless we think twitter accounts

1:15:47

these broken down episode by episode all

1:15:49

the accomplishments

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brian siano dot com sian

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all the accomplishments of the bartlett

1:15:56

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shockingly not not very good but

1:16:02

the you mean like you even like even even

1:16:04

even what they claimed to have accomplished is not

1:16:07

in our as a variety of even lower

1:16:09

the age of chef allen eligibility

1:16:11

easy to balance the budget that was their grades

1:16:14

the ticket from seventy six assists

1:16:16

to make sure the right he did peace or private eye social

1:16:18

security or wasn't any i target

1:16:20

the a privatized that's the big yeah that's the god i

1:16:22

wish i could come on for that one of our makes my blood boil

1:16:25

and yeah that was to get out with everything the

1:16:27

great accomplishment was making sure the the

1:16:29

sort of aggressive

1:16:31

bernie sanders character i guess i probably would have been

1:16:33

more of a

1:16:35

the of donor there and powerful

1:16:37

my ryan hello yeah

1:16:40

the to try to get greedy pause on

1:16:42

money for seniors that's right

1:16:44

they don't irish of innocent on we are going to go work

1:16:46

for a billionaire rather

1:16:50

what to do because the billionaires paying you to

1:16:52

make ad the equal podcast

1:16:54

about studio sixty now i

1:16:57

don't know that there's enough money can we

1:16:59

did we the do whatever sort of the newsroom that was

1:17:02

there was plenty that was or up with ideas

1:17:04

road is like this is the sorkin

1:17:06

on caught that shows just totally batshit i

1:17:08

feel like i feel eight it's

1:17:11

it's all the it's all the high fructose corn

1:17:13

syrup and absolutely none of the substance added

1:17:15

enough like ten times more grading

1:17:18

it's just it's everything bad with west wing onto on

1:17:20

steroids and lay a rush watching of that if it

1:17:22

had been first we would never

1:17:24

be talking about outsourcing to pick it would

1:17:26

not last one am yeah that point we the

1:17:28

deathly gone up some residual the

1:17:31

residual good good to the races hit

1:17:33

yeah it's when a sober one

1:17:37

of the things like you got some if it's true what they read about

1:17:39

the west we the reasons it was so like

1:17:41

nbc just loved it a second obviously procedure

1:17:43

in the awards was that it it

1:17:47

a because it didn't get like totally high

1:17:49

ratings but it got really really high ratings with

1:17:51

people who made over like a hundred and sixty thousand telegraph

1:17:54

yeah yeah demographic for marketers was

1:17:56

like you know your lexus is or watches and stuff with anxiety

1:17:59

can you elaborate

1:17:59

you are bought electric sewage use

1:18:02

the wimbledon ad campaigns we're

1:18:04

pretty much yeah right about yourself for a

1:18:06

fascinating as bad as yeah which

1:18:08

is where i'm always point my life where you know others

1:18:10

though the medical commercials were you when you're younger than

1:18:12

you listen to me like do gross what's the side

1:18:14

effects and now i listen to them and my jotting down numbers

1:18:17

going i get that separate like i said

1:18:19

i have eight of node sick when you

1:18:21

hit thirty five we started i started lifting

1:18:23

like in the thirteenth warrior when he starts understand arab and

1:18:25

right yeah was like the my oh i get this

1:18:27

dow i do have i do need

1:18:30

or with with the bleeding allegiance in this area

1:18:32

on the be aware of the random psychotic

1:18:35

episode rest of us one

1:18:37

of the side effects are there was death which i

1:18:39

guess is a jungle and never heard it and commercial before

1:18:41

they're like side effects include death and my forgotten

1:18:45

how that's pretty high stakes are minutes both as

1:18:48

minutes could be a side effect of a lot of things like that the seen that particular

1:18:50

that i'm calling it i'm side effect

1:18:52

know that i swear to god i'm not as i'm not

1:18:54

i was watching the why are you doing this or know i'll

1:18:56

try to dot of the chopping vegetables and

1:18:58

the like side effects include definitely

1:19:01

the for

1:19:02

like dizziness nausea or

1:19:04

death medusa like it or anal

1:19:06

leakage or are like a whole

1:19:09

nother like death on my guy us pretty

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metal

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the way it very metal

1:19:17

so ah anna

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this barriers that a surname

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the t y t

1:19:25

i would i would say had have a

1:19:27

right wing

1:19:29

the homeless meltdown on the show

1:19:31

in which she spewed dominoes

1:19:34

vile stuff you hear from the

1:19:37

most right wing people and

1:19:40

a interesting responses but i like adams

1:19:42

the best like adam that you

1:19:44

a are you really get the the nuances

1:19:46

of the thing and it's and it's a very

1:19:49

the very nuanced thing because we try to go

1:19:51

into and talk about the you know how

1:19:53

how this affects everybody in and how

1:19:56

people are homeless and would the responses

1:19:59

he will just want

1:19:59

they get rid of i'm like that's yeah

1:20:02

that's all people wanna response to

1:20:04

it's what's the sort of the way you show your emphases by

1:20:07

as by in the cars incarceration rate

1:20:09

and yeah inverse of that is that if you don't

1:20:11

believe in incarceration as a mechanism for

1:20:14

reducing crime in the aggregate

1:20:16

you are therefore not empathetic your therefore

1:20:18

heartless and don't care about dictum spot of lot

1:20:20

of and i'm it's a waste of a stacked deck

1:20:22

the water's to specific grants you're speaking

1:20:25

about the just very this this

1:20:27

is engaged and

1:20:28

there's in his last summer last june she

1:20:30

did a rant about cleaning up almost and

1:20:32

kept winning , to this is

1:20:34

great kind of says thera euphemisms

1:20:37

and that was got

1:20:39

to lead to a lot of anger and outbreak or outrage

1:20:42

from people on the left is there on the left or

1:20:44

wouldn't agents policy here to sort of accuse

1:20:46

someone of been right wing without showing how or why some

1:20:48

nick i do that is a typical

1:20:50

easy for labeling you want right wing rates

1:20:53

but i'm the net i

1:20:55

guess didn't get a lot attractions are now we pivoted

1:20:57

to talking about is one oscillations cases

1:20:59

of people being released on cash bail

1:21:01

and committing crimes which was always a moral hazard

1:21:03

and caspian reform that , was

1:21:05

gonna happen given episode about it in december

1:21:08

twenty twenty knowing this was going earth december

1:21:10

twenty nike knowing this was going to be the reaction

1:21:13

on

1:21:14

that because the by definition of you

1:21:17

reduce casco reduced to cajole population some

1:21:19

percent of those people are going to unbearably

1:21:21

commit some kind of crime and so you can always pointed

1:21:23

out say look this person was released

1:21:26

ronnie play ah ,

1:21:28

this is what's called in the in the criminal

1:21:30

reform rather where the organism for reason which

1:21:32

is a in always pointed someone who in his case

1:21:34

he was out on a for allow uncommitted or a the murder

1:21:37

or attempted murder rate in actually murder the person you

1:21:40

say will look at this willie horton person who got

1:21:42

out of prison when to caucus was governor masters

1:21:44

assistant us the most horrific thing you've ever seen rape

1:21:46

ever rape rape rape minimum

1:21:49

in

1:21:50

this creates a moral hazard where where

1:21:52

by which politicians have zero interest

1:21:55

in ever letting anyone at a jail or prison ever

1:21:57

because the way prevent theft that willie horton

1:21:59

situation

1:21:59

the thing is you just lock everybody which is effectively

1:22:02

water system has been doing for the better part of their twenty five

1:22:04

thirty years it , first

1:22:06

two and mindlessly as default lock people

1:22:08

up and

1:22:11

obviously the united states of twenty five percent of the roads

1:22:13

incarcerated population but only five percent of it's

1:22:15

population i'm busy

1:22:17

point three million people million jail over half jail over those

1:22:19

are the are in a jail the prisoner never

1:22:21

have minor don't typically can your local

1:22:23

jails before they never have try

1:22:26

so those

1:22:30

a thera

1:22:33

this is talking renovated or sorry apologize

1:22:37

runtime

1:22:43

and so we look at the system so it's couple

1:22:45

years ago there was an effort to have cash bail reform which

1:22:47

is baseless and you cannot

1:22:49

people could always get out of

1:22:51

she'll before their trial if

1:22:53

they had money

1:22:54

right

1:22:56

right harvey weinstein was at home a

1:22:58

day after he was charged and twenty yeah twenty

1:23:00

, nebulous i'm

1:23:03

that's always been the case toby

1:23:05

ziegler in the episode is i'm frightened so

1:23:08

you can have well you can afford bail the

1:23:10

, are in jail because they cannot afford

1:23:12

bail so it's a it's not about who

1:23:14

gets is not a system where they either where people

1:23:16

go read don't let certain people around the

1:23:19

and everybody is mostly but not as

1:23:21

yum rare as yum you get to leave

1:23:23

as long as you're rich

1:23:24

sometimes you talking about years like in the case or rikers

1:23:27

there's people got in there vermeers young

1:23:29

the and if anyone's ever spent any time in jail

1:23:31

you'll know that the people there are

1:23:33

virtually all black and brown with very rare

1:23:35

exceptions in in the major urban areas

1:23:39

lock everybody knows to there was an effort

1:23:41

an effort last couple years to reduce

1:23:43

this to get rid of task beyond the have a system whereby

1:23:45

which judges make certain discretionary

1:23:48

assessments based on a risk

1:23:50

factors i'm in that

1:23:52

in that held somewhat high so we're not

1:23:54

so we're not doing a system where we just keep a bunch of people

1:23:57

in jail try to reduce your populations that the population

1:24:00

in cook county for examples been produced by i think

1:24:02

thirty forty percent where ,

1:24:04

live in chicago chicago

1:24:07

there are many reasons why this is number one of

1:24:09

our long periods of incarceration pretrial

1:24:12

reduced napoli reduce people's ability

1:24:14

to fight or on case to disruptions

1:24:17

in that one of the biggest predictors of cortical

1:24:19

criminality is disrupting education

1:24:21

and jobs which long periods of jail do

1:24:24

in , to do to peer influence being

1:24:26

in jail is actually a very good predictor of future

1:24:28

criminality because you meet people in jail

1:24:31

for that influence your primary

1:24:33

there's primary great study any learn yeah there's

1:24:35

yeah to learn how to commit crimes yeah there's crimes great

1:24:37

idea a great it was made harvard or

1:24:39

penn state or if i can receive pennsylvania rather

1:24:42

that are basically shows that that

1:24:45

keeping people and long periods of pre trial incarceration

1:24:47

is a huge predictor of future violence in criminality

1:24:51

so , doesn't even achieve it's nominal goals but

1:24:53

of course that's not the goal goal is to just get rid of unwanted

1:24:55

surplus populations that are viewed

1:24:57

as being nasty and again we don't want them

1:24:59

and so what she does she did something very typical

1:25:02

kind of this is similar to a breitbart

1:25:04

knockout game the so horrendous

1:25:07

act of random violence has random violence is most

1:25:09

emotionally charged lamps because it's not some

1:25:12

random gang member or or or some

1:25:14

guy drunk driving it's sort of seen as being

1:25:17

it could happen to anyone had similar yeah harry

1:25:20

has an emotional property similar to terrorism you

1:25:23

say the she says look how much we all from

1:25:25

his belt this guy's been arrested forty forty one times

1:25:27

and he had someone he was released the

1:25:29

detail of course don't really matter i'm reading about this right

1:25:31

now for real news actually

1:25:34

the details and of the actual salacious example

1:25:36

don't really matter we can sort of the beat that are you want

1:25:38

that that's of course not the goal the goal is to

1:25:40

get rid of fourth district attorneys

1:25:42

in los angeles to ,

1:25:44

that they even exist anymore and other

1:25:47

and other places are filled of etc

1:25:49

and the way you do that is that

1:25:51

the june twenty the june residents homeless

1:25:53

encampments in really gain

1:25:55

a lot of traction because most people have empathy for

1:25:57

homeless people as such then you can

1:25:59

the most extreme cases new say like look

1:26:02

how much crime is seeking over look how bad

1:26:04

this is it's dystopia this is

1:26:06

this is a traditional right wing framing this would be

1:26:08

considered right and spencer and they will add

1:26:11

an average demagoguing and emotionally manipulating

1:26:13

a very complex issue where this person does not

1:26:15

represent nine nine nine nine percent of casco

1:26:17

cases i pointed at present just

1:26:20

cases are poor black kids in fucking

1:26:22

rikers or in cook county rotting

1:26:24

away for weeks months at a time having having to

1:26:26

drop out of school having to drop out of having

1:26:29

to quit their job and having have been lose

1:26:31

contact with loved ones and in pressure

1:26:33

and accepting really long plea bargains that it had to help

1:26:35

inflate or incarceration rate which again remains

1:26:37

the largest in the world and if not even close four

1:26:40

five times larger than comfortable of the countries have comparable

1:26:42

it's not even remotely close

1:26:46

and so one small way people try to

1:26:48

reduce the prevent this prevent this incarceration

1:26:50

problem was to attack the issue of jail because it's

1:26:52

pre trial these are people who are definition the innocent

1:26:55

and so there were some even republicans would support

1:26:57

some reforms in kashmir pass because

1:26:59

these are people have not been in front of a jury

1:27:01

or been in front of a judge have been i'm guilty of anything and

1:27:04

so letting violent people back on the street

1:27:06

there's this kind of simplistic western

1:27:10

hang on high mentality that all sounds very pat

1:27:12

how could you let this person is clearly meant in while

1:27:14

back and street okay will clearly the system failed

1:27:16

in a number of wins

1:27:18

there's no evidence of but of course long before

1:27:20

casco form there was dozens of cases

1:27:22

of random acts of mentally unwell people hitting people in

1:27:24

the share so by their own criteria

1:27:26

it didn't succeed of course the whole thing's a red herring is the

1:27:28

real issue is is this

1:27:30

one dot haploid example representative

1:27:33

of the entire

1:27:35

papa it entire discussion it's like

1:27:37

the two thousand and fifteen case where in america

1:27:40

at an immigrant killed a woman in san francisco

1:27:42

and yeah why don't why so let's every time we

1:27:44

talk but immigration let's go talk about that kids obviously

1:27:47

we would you that is being bad faith and salacious

1:27:50

and manipulative and not really a and earnest

1:27:52

are good faith conversation so

1:27:54

young turks and extensively progressive network

1:27:56

is now dating and this hyperbolic

1:28:01

one not example discussion to try to do

1:28:03

with the real goal was in the roka was back when

1:28:05

when when she rented against almost became it's and twenty

1:28:07

twenty one which is the which is

1:28:09

to give a progressive quote unquote progressive face

1:28:12

what is just another taught same old

1:28:14

tired and criss crossing politics of throwing

1:28:16

people in jail letting him rot and

1:28:18

by creating an extreme example where they basically

1:28:20

say do you support randomly shooting people are

1:28:22

not it's not it's it's all very loaded

1:28:25

it's it's a rightwing friend because you can't really when

1:28:27

of course you can you say oh yeah what i mean clearly like

1:28:29

i should have been

1:28:31

and some other situation that when he was in in

1:28:33

a mental health facility whatever it is an increase of

1:28:35

reasonable people can look that they obviously then

1:28:38

you get additional well why wasn't he worked

1:28:40

for the police have arrested him she been locked up should

1:28:42

have been removed the population

1:28:44

the simplistic framing

1:28:46

is designed to sort of morally extort

1:28:48

you into into conceding that are we should just go

1:28:50

back to what we're doing before which is basically

1:28:52

bringing back kashmir which is the policy and she's

1:28:54

clearly having for which is to go back to the

1:28:56

kind of pre reform is modest

1:28:59

as they were by the way they're not even that significant

1:29:01

in california or new york where are they

1:29:04

the roads were the case may be that the the bill

1:29:06

reform laws and york have been reform so so

1:29:08

much that there are have had the reforms himself

1:29:10

have been reform so much since cuomo it's not as they

1:29:13

did they basically no longer exists

1:29:15

i'm addicted to sort of turn

1:29:17

up the heat on this kind of

1:29:19

blind panic and and to reinforce

1:29:22

the idea that we need got actually the good old days of of

1:29:24

pre pre black lives matter kind of pre

1:29:26

torch floyd

1:29:28

and there

1:29:30

was was minute to the summer twenty twenty one point

1:29:32

acted like a cared about institutional racism

1:29:35

that gonna gone away so now we're at rate

1:29:37

we're in a reactionary moment my guess is that

1:29:40

you want me to be honest is perfectly frank

1:29:43

and my guess is that bernie adjacent

1:29:45

media thinks this is a vulnerability

1:29:47

on in a progressive who runs

1:29:50

and they're trying to get out ahead of it and putting a

1:29:52

progressive face on carswell politics

1:29:54

and of you some you some some segment

1:29:56

may may view abolitionists to reform

1:29:58

politics as a

1:29:59

geo soros woke saying

1:30:02

you know course that's it has it's origins

1:30:05

in socialism and social his politics

1:30:08

the , of try to make the case why

1:30:10

homeless people and homeless camps share a mutual

1:30:12

solidarity with workers

1:30:15

and why where our interests are aligned and

1:30:17

why we can't go back to rely on the same tired

1:30:20

you know narc on the police mentality

1:30:22

can i not sure where these essentially

1:30:24

through progress for social where people thought

1:30:26

that the i'd have you double your the socialist party drew

1:30:29

from it's ranks withdrew from the ranks of the hubble is in

1:30:31

the homeless yeah this is how you build

1:30:33

political projects you create mutual aid

1:30:35

you create

1:30:36

harm reduction efforts you reach

1:30:38

out to people you you try to protect them from

1:30:40

police raids you don't know if you don't go entitled

1:30:43

to the district attorney the police and take them to arrest

1:30:45

homeless people as and now are

1:30:47

there tensions within certain communities are working class

1:30:49

communities

1:30:50

with with with homeless encampments

1:30:52

and and see what is what is viewed as being the it's

1:30:54

had any kind of attend a crime with that and working

1:30:56

people of course but the goal of political

1:30:59

commentators isn't to accept these right

1:31:01

wing frames and demagogue them assume splendid

1:31:03

people how reverting back to a

1:31:05

throng of and lock him in jail system doesn't work and

1:31:07

we know it doesn't work because we've been doing it

1:31:09

for forever but my entire lifetime

1:31:11

and it has yet and so people like to create

1:31:13

this idea that we live in this kind of we presently live

1:31:16

in california new york and it's like socialists

1:31:18

bleeding hearts aggressive see a

1:31:20

utopia

1:31:22

if only we could go back to what we the

1:31:24

for all these problems go away but they're not there

1:31:26

are a product of housing shortage housing

1:31:28

shortages lack of affordable housing

1:31:30

their product of really have

1:31:32

been it is true drugs have many drugs in the streets of

1:31:34

got more hardcore leading to more manic episodes

1:31:36

i agree that's probably true i don't doubt over

1:31:38

second see how these broad social

1:31:41

ills and the solution is to always

1:31:43

throw people in jail or prison that is always

1:31:45

because it's the easiest thing to do and again

1:31:47

and our society it's a proxy for empathy is

1:31:49

how you show you care i hear

1:31:51

about these victims of crime and the way i

1:31:53

show that is by calling calling on

1:31:55

more people to go to jail in the police to come

1:31:58

in and sauce least an sos these home

1:31:59

and if you go back and listen to her june twenty twenty one

1:32:02

rant about homeless camp it's not in a sense now outlawed

1:32:04

homelessness and away as you know twenty

1:32:07

percent of the city the partner authority

1:32:09

sorting them what he isn't possible for the homeless

1:32:11

population to know where to go it's

1:32:13

not like it's the march they don't always

1:32:15

know they're up there at their belongings and home

1:32:17

such as they are can be swept up at any moment or

1:32:20

the heavily criminalize that can be ticketed they could be arrested

1:32:23

or make no mistake this is a criminal policies is

1:32:25

a car serration policy and

1:32:27

, have someone who supposedly the face of

1:32:29

progressive radio who cuckoo

1:32:31

again has a podcast on jacobin claiming

1:32:34

to be nice to be socialist

1:32:36

the

1:32:39

going on in normalizing what is what

1:32:41

it is the most base must sit on leading

1:32:44

that titillating tickling the most reptilian

1:32:46

part of your brain

1:32:48

the come out a in some for done

1:32:50

but basically go in titled or the costs are

1:32:53

as a sort of policy prescriptions

1:32:55

to the social ills social social problems and

1:32:58

i think that's pretty dangerous stuff i think that's not

1:33:00

good the

1:33:03

iraqi was you

1:33:04

the was you bring of the money aspect of this

1:33:06

katzenberg a jeffrey katzenberg hollywood

1:33:09

you know muggle gave twenty million

1:33:11

dollars to the to the young turks and

1:33:14

katzenberg has had many

1:33:16

a private meetings the city council members

1:33:18

who are draconian in their responses

1:33:21

to hamas he is all about cracking

1:33:23

down on the so much other than they are the l

1:33:25

a times read an article about how

1:33:28

katzenberg is leading be

1:33:30

the

1:33:31

the criminalization of bahamas an attacking the homeless

1:33:33

so she took money from i'm in i'm in with regular

1:33:36

cigarettes in a you can make of that of what you will

1:33:38

interesting article in such as first

1:33:41

, of portrays him as being has more humanitarian

1:33:44

of indigenous restraint section where there's like people

1:33:46

were and meetings with don't want to be named start

1:33:48

talking about this ah that's right and

1:33:51

i mean again added again can sort of progressive face on

1:33:53

anything right demeanor we yet again

1:33:55

that yet again next ninety four crime though was

1:33:57

supported by the black caucus if it was framed

1:33:59

as me policing it was framed as a

1:34:02

starting gun violence in black community with there's

1:34:04

always a fucking progressive bring me to carson was on

1:34:06

it always has as as a pretty liberal

1:34:08

face because otherwise it's as mean

1:34:10

and nasty right and so any

1:34:13

so any any sweet policies always

1:34:15

always there's always a ten percent little

1:34:18

what we're gonna we're gonna do homeless reach

1:34:20

out and create jobs programs are sense because it's

1:34:22

is a way of making it's it's that

1:34:24

way of making a digestible the liberals

1:34:26

which is awesome we have to sell anything's gonna right

1:34:28

wingers this wanna throw up and and ,

1:34:30

him in a fuckin are you know know

1:34:33

it what to cremate them in performance of the ocean

1:34:35

they don't really care either way the people have to convince

1:34:37

are are sensitive liberals who

1:34:39

i hate seeing fucking homeless people in the way to starbucks

1:34:42

don't like being harassed by homeless people to be fair i'm

1:34:44

a member to be honest here it's not like fonda

1:34:46

cause i'm ellen unable to very high on populations

1:34:49

i phone the country be fucking harass or thankful that

1:34:51

sucks obviously there can be issues

1:34:53

of that because everything they do was public radio

1:34:55

they they don't have a humble yeah finish and things like efficacious

1:34:57

and drug is obviously that's ugly pleasant

1:35:00

i get it but the moral person who i

1:35:02

think the same person would say okay great

1:35:04

how did they get to disposition what what are

1:35:06

the social systems that sale of the mental health

1:35:09

or judge you know to the drug help housing

1:35:11

we don't have billions of dollars and housing programs

1:35:14

one of the systems we can built in place to make

1:35:16

sure they don't get to this point not winner

1:35:18

at that point boy wouldn't be nice if some

1:35:20

police officer just came by and made them go away

1:35:23

forever because that's not how this works humans

1:35:25

don't just disappear there's a such thing

1:35:27

as displacement and right now these the the way

1:35:29

the way we both liberals and apparently

1:35:32

a quote unquote progresses are aligning with the

1:35:34

right to just say get him out of my

1:35:36

fucking i say i don't want to see them and if it takes

1:35:38

to least in jail for do that them by all means

1:35:41

and you know you bring up defecating on

1:35:44

the street because they have nowhere to go

1:35:46

in san francisco when other stories

1:35:48

started popping up about than def getting on the streets

1:35:51

there was a company that

1:35:53

was like an over for bathrooms and

1:35:55

what they were doing is especially privatizing bathrooms

1:35:58

to this fucking app

1:35:59

the also been homeless people could not use

1:36:02

the fucking faster many more and the

1:36:04

people screaming because going a bathroom on the street is

1:36:06

like we have been alive at i spammed only

1:36:08

sit in your streets provide people you know

1:36:10

asked way are wise biden not announcing a hundred

1:36:12

billion dollars and housing right now today what

1:36:14

why are we have this is a federal probably to federal

1:36:16

reaction to that to that extent i have some sympathy

1:36:18

for local officials but the to they

1:36:20

don't have the resources to spin the actual money money you

1:36:22

need i know that newsome just announced

1:36:24

the planet was pretty robust but we'll see how that plays

1:36:26

out authentic if you're here has it that the budget dumb

1:36:29

ass private public partnership shit that's an

1:36:31

oily one be griff but like

1:36:33

this is this is if

1:36:36

you don't like def cases required or not more public bathrooms

1:36:38

wire the not resources wire is

1:36:40

weak weak good idea in algeria is a twitter

1:36:42

it's like it's like in

1:36:45

in this is like a sixteenth century by saying i don't

1:36:47

support bloodletting and and in

1:36:49

dallas and humorous i i don't have sympathy

1:36:51

for plague victims it's not that i it's

1:36:53

that i don't think you're fucking approach to

1:36:56

car serration works because we know it doesn't

1:36:58

work that has yet not work in this country

1:37:00

for decades and it creates untold

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externalities and harm to

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people who you never see the twelve people

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what does your died in rikers you're never

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going to hear about they don't get a video they don't get a viral

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post on twitter and facebook that your fucking

1:37:12

aunt shares and then everyone talks about like

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the walgreens shoplift you never hear about

1:37:17

these death you never hear about the the untold

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tens of thousands of people whose lives are not offended

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because of pretrial detention families torn

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apart a you know thousands

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and thousands and thousands of of of black

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women who have to support children and loved ones water

1:37:31

while they're in a while the fritters and and in

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jail i mean this the the amount of harm

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involved in her mass incarceration system is

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basically not seen and not talked about

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and so that part of the ledger doesn't factor

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into the moral calculus it's just this neat

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clean lock them up go away

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and that seems simple right it's sort of seems

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to anodyne and most people just wanted out

1:37:51

of the way they don't want to see it and that

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and again i just is that doesn't work

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it's not a scientific approach it's not a humane approach

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