In this episode, Glenn and Jon discuss entering their careers without direct experience. They discuss how they were able to leverage mentors to help them bridge the gap between what they didn't know and what was expected. The two continue with talking about how working for "free" helped them in their photography business to find out what worked, ways to improve their process, and network. Lastly, they dive into what characteristic they felt was more important between talent and experience, and the role that a person's drive plays in trying to achieve success.