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queues at airports across the country

1:31

after a technical issue affected e-gates

1:33

will bring you the latest. Israel

1:36

is stepping up its military pressure in

1:38

southern Gaza as the push for a

1:40

ceasefire there continues. We find out where

1:43

things stand and hear how the uncertainty

1:45

is affecting one man in the Gaza

1:47

Strip. Also, a stormy session in more

1:49

ways than one at Donald Trump's criminal

1:51

trial in New York. We

1:53

have an ode to Beethoven's ninth on

1:56

the 200th anniversary of the symphony's first

1:58

ever performance. The

2:00

wife of lead the May Cut Motorcyle,

2:02

the British citizen who has won a

2:04

Pulitzer prize from behind bars and of

2:06

Russian penal colony. We. Begin

2:09

this evening with a problem that

2:11

has been affecting airports and airport

2:13

travelers across the country. This evening,

2:15

the Uk Border Force has reported

2:18

a nationwide problem with He Gates

2:20

says automated cell service Passport gates

2:22

designed to smooth your entry into

2:24

the country. Let's think now to

2:27

Katie Austin, the Bbc Transport correspondents.

2:32

Or the Home Office has concerned it's

2:35

aware of what it describes as a

2:37

technical A seats as that through a

2:39

gate across the country are there are

2:41

more than three hundred and seventy gates

2:43

and place at the airports and were

2:45

put in Uk a British citizen from

2:47

those the some other countries can use

2:49

that if you've got that by that

2:51

trick symbol on the cover their passport

2:53

is let's be a speedier automated process.

2:55

But as he said a happy reports

2:57

this evening at the not working and

2:59

long queues developing a passport control at

3:01

major airports as. A result of passports

3:04

apparently hadn't to be price many

3:06

they instead was thirty takes longer.

3:08

So airports around the country including

3:10

he tried Gatwick Edinburgh than me

3:12

and and months is the have

3:14

all concerned they were affected Heathrow

3:16

which is the Uk largest airport

3:18

apologize to passengers for the delays

3:20

to journeys and added that it

3:22

was support and board forthwith. Contingency

3:24

plans at Gatwick also say that

3:26

started the what and with the

3:28

Uk Border Force who operate passport

3:30

control of course. To provide

3:32

assistance to passengers were necessary and another

3:35

much as rebel group which ones Manchester

3:37

Stansted an East Midlands airport said as

3:39

well as supporting pass a supporting passengers

3:41

by having a wolf able to get

3:44

a wave access charges the people he

3:46

might be late to the car parks

3:48

as a result of these problems that

3:51

sense than quite long delays as I

3:53

say developing seedling. As for the home

3:55

of his part, they're not saying at

3:58

the moment exactly what is behind. This

4:00

apparent out if it's actually not the

4:02

first time this has happened recently. I

4:04

think there was a similar outage a

4:06

couple of weeks ago, but the Home

4:08

Office says it is working closely with

4:10

the border Force to resolve the issue

4:13

as soon as possible and again apologizes

4:15

to passengers. Inconvenient. At this stage, no, no

4:17

sense of how long was my last. Not

4:20

at this stage know I mean did the

4:23

last we heard from the home office they

4:25

didn't said it had been fixed yet but

4:27

now I'm afraid for passengers know much comfort

4:29

dies just at wait and see how quickly

4:32

the school be resolved and it's not. obviously

4:34

I mean it would be much more serious.

4:36

I think if this with the could have

4:38

a peak some holiday time thought the airports

4:41

have got value to the busy again now

4:43

it's it's coming towards that sort of busy

4:45

a time of year but a at the

4:47

moment and note no sign of it been

4:50

resolved eminently. That waiting totals. Casey

4:52

Many thanks Lot! Hop like the

4:54

beauties. Transport Correspondent Katie Austin's. The

5:01

sounds I have more in the

5:03

southern Johnson city of refer to

5:05

day, but could they be a

5:07

prelude to a pause in the

5:09

fighting? Israeli military operation has been

5:11

continuing to day, even as an

5:13

Israeli delegation arrived in Egypt to

5:15

take part in continuing ceasefire negotiations.

5:17

Also entire the head of the

5:19

Cia and the Us government continues

5:21

to make confident noises about the

5:23

chances of a deal being reached

5:26

a day off. the hummus considered

5:28

a terror organization by the Uk

5:30

government signed off. On an agreement

5:32

which Israel said did not meet

5:34

it's demands carrying some kept his

5:36

the White House spokesperson. For.

5:38

Their conversations happening and Tyrrell I

5:40

think it's important we're going to

5:43

support handles talks that are currently

5:45

underway and our assessment is that

5:47

is that are close assessment enough

5:49

the two sides are positioned suggest

5:51

that they should be able to

5:53

close the gap. Yes, I

5:56

speak to our correspondent. Pull Adams in

5:58

Jerusalem. pull any sense of. Why

6:00

The Americans at sound confident that a

6:02

deal can be reached? At

6:06

it's pretty hard to know how

6:08

james the year they clearly are

6:10

pressing hard and judging by the language

6:12

of the caped he just played they

6:14

think that this is a moment. The

6:17

are the one hand, Benjamin Netanyahu says

6:19

that her masses latest proposal is very

6:21

far from Israel's core demands that thus

6:24

those with that was the form of

6:26

words he used, and particularly on this

6:28

issue of her masses demand that

6:30

a ceasefire lead to a permanent and

6:33

to the war. That something that Israel

6:35

at. The moment and will not

6:37

commit to at but rather than

6:40

choose to disengage from the talks

6:42

as he has done in the

6:45

past, Mr. Netanyahu has sent a

6:47

delegation to Cairo. At the delegation

6:49

his mid level. It's not the

6:52

top officials say you shouldn't necessarily

6:54

expect to hear any news at

6:56

quickly, but the fact that the

6:59

Americans are so intimately involved that

7:01

Bill Burns that is that that

7:04

over saying this process that. Does

7:06

suggest that Add that Washington Thanks

7:08

said. This is a moment to

7:10

finally pushed the party's over the

7:12

line and what is the mood

7:14

like in in Israel we've we've

7:16

heard of course from the families

7:19

of the hostages said desperate for

7:21

them to be released That is

7:23

there a sense said that the

7:25

public is is also willing to

7:27

a deal to be reached. A

7:31

penny opposed to suggest that

7:33

the top priority for a

7:35

majority of Israelis at is

7:37

the release of hostages. And

7:41

that defeating Hamas is is

7:43

a second rates priority. but

7:45

the war it has to

7:47

be said remains quite well

7:49

supported and we were that.

7:51

We spend time this afternoon

7:53

with the relatives of act

7:55

of one hostage and they

7:57

spoke of that just. The

8:00

creeping quiet optimism that perhaps had

8:02

this might be had a breakthrough

8:05

moment and then deceiving we were

8:07

on the streets in Jerusalem were

8:09

some very angry it's noisy Israelis

8:12

were were demanding that the government

8:14

do more to to get the

8:17

hostages out. I think they feel

8:19

that that this is the moment

8:21

to really press home that arguments.

8:24

You know Mr. Netanyahu may struggle

8:26

to convince as some of his

8:29

more hardline colleagues that he is

8:31

achieved total victory in that got

8:33

us out that until and unless

8:36

he defeats hum utterly in Russia.

8:38

But I think he can convince

8:41

most Israelis, particularly now that day

8:43

his army has taken control of

8:45

the Rapper Crossings. Quite a significant

8:48

moves at today at that's a

8:50

that this has been a very

8:53

substantial success for the Israeli military.

8:55

It's he is is no sign

8:57

right now. These about time rounded.

9:00

Declare victory. But should he choose

9:02

to to to to take this

9:04

moment to do a deal I

9:06

think he could probably. And he's

9:08

a great salesman and he's been

9:10

able to us to pull off

9:12

great actor salesmanship in the past.

9:14

He could convince Israelis that this

9:16

is a deal with supporting. But.

9:19

In the meantime, that military operation in

9:21

Gaza continues doesn't tip. What? What do

9:23

we know of of that and what

9:25

has been happening today. Was

9:28

so we did have this moment

9:30

this morning that we all ready

9:32

essentially went up to which was

9:34

the sides of the Israeli military

9:36

taking control of that wrath of

9:38

crossing that is the last either

9:40

access point to the outside world.

9:42

That is the place through which

9:44

some Palestinians often at great expense

9:46

have been able to pass foods

9:48

to get to Egypt. It's s

9:50

crossing that has been used by

9:52

wounded people seeking medical attention outside

9:54

of the Gaza Strip that now

9:56

is in Israeli hands. We have no

9:58

way of knowing. How long

10:00

it will remain closed. But he

10:02

just does. not. The point at

10:05

which you can conceivably see the

10:07

Israelis pushing further along the border

10:09

between Gaza and Russia in order

10:11

to try and sever add the

10:13

territories of the to do to

10:15

seven Gaza from Egypt once and

10:18

for all to deal with the

10:20

issue of the tunnels that are

10:22

known to scared to cross underneath

10:24

that border. Now in order to

10:26

do that to move all the

10:28

way along that corridor it's known

10:31

as the Philadelphia Corridor off from

10:33

refer to the seats would involve

10:35

going through densely populated areas. They

10:37

have not had to do that

10:39

so far as in the last

10:41

thirty six hours or so, pressing

10:44

any further than the Rafah Crossing

10:46

will become extremely difficult. There are

10:48

suggestions that Washington is happy that

10:50

the Rafah crossing is now in

10:52

Israeli hands, that is hoping that

10:54

that's where this operation essentially ends

10:57

Poll Many thanks to B B

10:59

C Pool Adams. Live that in

11:01

Jerusalem Elsa people living in Gaza. The

11:03

rumors of a full scale ground offensive

11:05

in Rafah have been complicating and already

11:07

nomadic existence since last week on the

11:10

well. Tonight we have been staying in

11:12

touch with on Palestinian man who has

11:14

had to up sticks and move on

11:16

a regular basis. His name is Matthew

11:18

and Rustam. He fled the city of

11:21

Khan Yunis in December and was living

11:23

in a tent in Russia and when

11:25

we spoke to him last week there

11:27

was talk of an upcoming offensive. Old

11:30

of evil even refer to with beach

11:32

at the same moments. Are they coming

11:34

to our far? What should we do?

11:36

What is going to have been They

11:39

don't know where to go, the are

11:41

afraid of a near a bridge and

11:43

you refer. So. it's harmful

11:45

and the main few is that

11:47

they don't know what to do

11:49

we managed to reconnect with math

11:52

would yesterday just after the idea

11:54

had dropped leaflets in the area

11:56

where he was staying warning civilians

11:58

to get out his of

12:00

his concern about moving to the

12:02

beachside area of Al-Mawasi which is

12:04

designated a humanitarian zone by the

12:06

Israeli military. This morning

12:08

the Israeli army distributed leaflets

12:11

asking civilians is of Rafah

12:13

to evacuate the area and

12:15

move towards the safe area

12:17

of Hamas. When I asked

12:19

my brother he told me

12:21

that the Mawasi area is

12:23

frighteningly full of residents so

12:26

that there are areas where

12:28

you cannot move because of the tents

12:30

that there. Well I managed to catch

12:32

up with Mahmoud again a little earlier. He told me

12:34

what the past 24 hours had been

12:36

like. We decided

12:38

to evacuate from Rafah to going

12:41

back to a Al-Mawasi

12:43

area and this morning

12:45

we started to bring our equipment

12:48

in order to go to Al-Mawasi.

12:51

My journey wasn't easy. It was

12:53

very hard because of

12:55

the traffic. You know a

12:58

lot of people are trying to reach

13:00

Al-Mawasi to reach the safety would say.

13:03

And what about supplies? What about aid?

13:05

Is that getting to you

13:08

where you are? Actually

13:11

yes that's as usual since let's

13:13

say for one month until now

13:16

they are distributing some

13:18

of the supplies and aid

13:21

but it's not enough. Especially

13:23

after what happened last

13:25

day at Rafah and that

13:28

much of civilians that came

13:30

and evacuated to Al-Mawasi. And

13:33

tell us a bit about

13:35

Rafah. What are the conditions

13:37

like there? Actually while I

13:39

was in Rafah for evacuating this morning

13:42

the voice of bombing was near and

13:44

so loud. The situation

13:46

is really bad. A lot of

13:49

civilians are trying

13:51

to leave Rafah to Al-Mawasi

13:53

and to Hanyounis. So

13:55

what are things like in Al-Mawasi now? Actually

13:59

Now it's very common. The chair.

14:01

A A lot of people are trying

14:03

to settle in since morning and until

14:05

now a lot of civilians are trying

14:08

to put their tents. Some. Of

14:10

them may can find a

14:12

place to put their chance

14:14

often. Because of said publisher

14:16

it said thousands of civilians

14:18

field. And. They can

14:20

sign and and to say

14:22

land to put that into

14:24

snow. Yesterday there was celebration

14:26

in Gaza when news time

14:28

that Hamas had accepted a

14:30

ceasefire. Agreement. Did you

14:32

hear that we you among those

14:34

celebrating. Yes, I was

14:37

at the Mossy an idea

14:39

that I was so so.

14:41

Civilians celebrates by shooting fire

14:43

in the air and their

14:45

names some use players and

14:47

this by shouting Days Waiting

14:49

for this moment for a

14:51

long time and they have

14:53

that it'll be soon. Acts

14:55

of know also day realize

14:57

that said that acceptance was

15:00

some one side's from Hamas

15:02

say they are waiting for

15:04

that Israeli acceptance So. They

15:06

can finally feel safe and

15:08

all they are you optimistic?

15:10

Do you think Double A

15:13

C Sar is close actually

15:15

for me Yes because the

15:17

I think that should be

15:19

because they i think care

15:22

that share it does no

15:24

more. Goes for the Israeli

15:26

is A I care about

15:28

sausages life I care about

15:31

the civilian life I care

15:33

about is that be. So

15:36

you are you are hopeful presenting

15:38

of course on houses and then

15:40

satellites will be soon there will

15:42

be a society we have. Must

15:46

mood Rustam their speak to us

15:48

from Monday I'll more c area

15:50

of and Gaza an itinerant lie

15:52

for him but he is remaining

15:54

optimistic about the postman. Sound

15:58

the past the government. has been explicit

16:01

about the security threat posed by China,

16:03

but when the Defence Secretary Grant Shapps

16:05

spoke in the Commons this afternoon about

16:08

the hack of an armed forces payroll

16:10

system he was rather more circumspect. Mr

16:13

Deputy Speaker, for reasons of

16:15

national security we can't release

16:17

further details of the suspected

16:19

cyber activity behind this incident.

16:22

However, I can confirm

16:24

to the House that we

16:26

do have indications that this was

16:28

the suspected work of

16:30

a malign actor and

16:32

we cannot rule out state

16:34

involvement. The BBC and

16:37

others have been briefed that ministers

16:39

believe that China was responsible for

16:41

the breach of a system used

16:43

by the MOD which contains the

16:45

names and bank details of serving

16:47

military personnel. That was a fact

16:49

that the Shadow Defence Secretary John

16:51

Healy referred to in his response.

16:54

Mr Deputy Speaker, the media have clearly

16:57

been briefed that China is behind

16:59

the hack, but the

17:01

Defence Secretary only tells us about

17:03

a malign actor. If this

17:05

dethata breach is found

17:08

to be carried out by a hostile

17:10

state it would represent

17:12

a very serious threat to our national

17:14

security. And the government

17:16

have been warned. The Conservative

17:18

MP Alicia Kearns is the chair of

17:20

the Foreign Affairs Select Committee on a

17:23

roster why the government has so far

17:25

been reluctant to name China. There

17:27

is a due process that the government officially

17:29

has to go through where they make absolutely

17:32

certain before they make accusations and obviously you

17:34

should be absolutely clear before you do that.

17:36

I think the government has moved very quickly to

17:39

update parliament after discovering that this hack took place.

17:41

So it's understandable that they haven't necessarily

17:43

yet concluded the investigation. I

17:45

was quite hard with the minister where I made

17:48

clear that it was likely to be the Chinese

17:50

Communist Party or a hostile state and he was

17:52

quite keen to push back. But although yes, there

17:54

are many indications that it is a hostile state, it

17:57

is right that as a responsible, rule-abiding

17:59

nation. we complete our investigation first. So

18:01

what are the main questions you want answered?

18:04

The main questions are how long ago did

18:06

this happen? How was the contractor

18:08

allowed to go on for so long without

18:10

committing all the cyber checks and cyber health

18:13

security they should be doing? And was this

18:15

the Chinese Communist Party? And if not, which

18:17

hostile state was it? I think the big challenge

18:19

for me is over the last six weeks, as

18:21

I said in the chamber, we've had the hacking of our armed

18:23

forces, we've had the Cyber Attack and the

18:25

Electoral Commission finally being revealed to be the

18:27

Chinese Communist Party, we've had cyber attacks on

18:29

French and British MPs, of course two people charged

18:32

in the UK. Yes, we've had two British men

18:34

charged in the UK with obtaining information useful to

18:36

an enemy. My question is why do

18:38

the police believe that when it comes to China

18:40

we should be talking about the enemy? And

18:42

yet the British government still says that these are a friend

18:44

and an ally. These sorts of hacks

18:47

and attacks are not the actions of an ally

18:49

or a friend. The Chinese of

18:51

course say this is part of an

18:54

anti-China political farce. Of course they do.

18:56

But realistically there is so much evidence. And

18:58

we have to look at the type of

19:00

institutions that are being attacked here. People

19:02

who defend our nation or organisations like

19:04

the Electoral Commission that protect our democracy

19:07

or even our elected representatives. These are

19:09

not minor or small attacks. These are

19:11

attacks from the very foundations of our

19:13

country and the defences of our country.

19:16

Quite. I mean if those that are meant

19:18

to protect our democracy and indeed our security

19:20

are not safe, what

19:23

do we need to do to stop this happening?

19:26

We need to put ourselves on a

19:28

defensive footing. And that means recognising that

19:30

whether we like it or not we

19:32

are in a constant state of warfare.

19:34

Now the form of warfare has fundamentally

19:36

changed. It's hybrid warfare. Where essentially every

19:38

single aspect of your society, all the

19:40

way through your civil society groups, all

19:42

the way through to democracy, through to your economy, through

19:44

to your subsea water cables, everything

19:46

is vulnerable and being tested at all

19:49

points to identify where we are vulnerable.

19:51

And we have a duty to make

19:53

sure that we are doing a comprehensive

19:55

whole of state defence because we are

19:57

going to continue to be attacked unfortunately

19:59

from... countries who don't have the same

20:01

respect for the rules-based systems we do. What

20:03

about the duty to the victims of

20:05

this particular hack, current, regular, reservist, former

20:07

members of the Navy, the Army, the

20:09

Royal Air Force? In some

20:11

perhaps small number of cases, the

20:13

data that has hacked mainly personal

20:15

addresses, what should be done?

20:18

It's incredibly concerning. I think at this point we

20:20

don't know because we don't know the full extent. In

20:23

my communities, Rutland and Melton, we have so

20:25

many people who are veterans or currently serving,

20:27

we have three military bases. They will all

20:29

be very concerned. 250,000

20:32

members of our armed forces or reservists were affected

20:34

by this. This isn't the end of the story,

20:36

this is the start. And once we know more

20:38

about exactly what was taken and who was targeted,

20:40

we will have some very strong conclusions and actions

20:43

that will be required. But I think at this

20:45

stage it's a bit too early to say.

20:47

The chair of the Foreign Affairs Select

20:49

Committee, the Conservative MP, Alicia Kearns. A quick

20:51

reminder if you want to listen back to

20:53

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21:00

main headlines so far on the

21:03

world tonight. Border Force says it

21:05

is experiencing a nationwide issue affecting

21:07

e-gates at UK airports. Passengers have

21:09

posted videos on social media showing

21:11

long queues at passport control. Israel

21:14

has vowed to continue its offensive

21:16

in Rafa until Hamas is defeated

21:18

or hostages are released, as

21:20

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of falsifying business records to

22:02

conceal. The Payments. That this was

22:04

him speaking earlier. Whole.

22:07

Area. And

22:09

I say maybe there's somebody out

22:12

of local. Virginia

22:15

Everyone everyone are seen as

22:17

it is absolutely refuses to

22:19

cases of the road. When.

22:22

I suspect. Oh, come on, an

22:24

editor freaks who's in New York

22:26

And by all accounts Nedda I'm

22:29

pretty lively session in the courtroom

22:31

today. Yeah,

22:34

this is one of the most

22:36

suited days and core. And of

22:38

course because Stormy Daniels was eagerly

22:40

anticipated. Luck! We started the day

22:42

with the defense trying to block

22:44

her from being able to give

22:46

evidence about that alleged sexual encounter

22:48

that Donald Trump denied. But see

22:50

was able to go into some

22:52

detail because the judge agreed with

22:55

prosecutors that it would help establish

22:57

her credibility as a witness. That

22:59

Stormy Daniels, I went into some

23:01

very explicit detail. As you know,

23:03

Even being light on the stand,

23:05

laughing occasionally and being playful as

23:07

she detailed house at a celebrity

23:09

golf tournament in two thousand and

23:11

six seats are greeted Donald Trump's

23:13

when she went up his hotel

23:15

room and he was there in

23:18

a silk robe or that he

23:20

posed on the bed before they

23:22

then had sex and as she

23:24

detailed that the defense test object

23:26

thing and the judge was agreeing

23:28

with them sustaining those objections saying

23:30

that a lot of the details

23:32

were just. Unnecessary and warning Stormy

23:34

Daniels to stick to the questions.

23:37

In fact, the gods the point

23:39

where that A called for a

23:41

mistrial. The judge said it wasn't

23:44

warranted, but did agree that some

23:46

things were better left unsaid. And

23:49

view noted. I think that said he was.

23:51

it was women during the cross examining. that's

23:55

right you know i think it's

23:58

a strategy that both sides chose

24:00

because they were very conscious about

24:02

how it would play to the

24:04

jury if you had two men

24:06

questioning Stormy Daniels over sensitive topics.

24:09

I mean, we have to remember,

24:11

we are post-MeToo era. These

24:14

things do play with jurors now. And

24:16

I noted that when I watched the

24:19

Eugene Carroll rape trial where Donald Trump

24:21

was found liable for

24:23

sexually abusing and defaming Eugene Carroll,

24:26

his lawyer, Joe Takapina, had

24:28

a particularly aggressive style in questioning

24:31

Eugene Carroll, and many analysts noted

24:33

that that really did backfire.

24:37

And just to remind us about Donald Trump, who

24:39

we just heard from, and the

24:41

fact that the judge, well,

24:44

they haven't been too impressed with his

24:46

conduct, have they? No.

24:49

The judge, you know, this week gave him

24:51

the strongest warning yet, that if he keeps

24:54

posting about potential witnesses or jurors, that he

24:56

could face jail time. And so today, before

24:58

we even knew that Stormy Daniels would be

25:01

the second witness on the stand for the

25:03

day, Donald Trump had sent out a post

25:05

saying he was very upset that he didn't

25:07

get more warning about, quote, the next witness,

25:10

and saying his legal team didn't have enough

25:12

time to prepare. But

25:14

he then deleted that post. And no

25:16

doubt it's because he was concerned the

25:19

judge would find him again in

25:21

violation of that gag order and

25:23

perhaps send him to prison. But

25:25

Donald Trump's son was in court, and

25:28

he, for example, put out

25:30

a tweet saying he thought prosecutors were

25:32

giddy about the salacious details in court.

25:34

And I think it's important to note

25:37

that while her testimony certainly did

25:39

go into extra detail, prosecutors

25:43

are hoping it just paints a

25:45

picture for jurors as to why

25:47

Donald Trump was allegedly so scared

25:49

about her story coming out ahead of the 2016 election.

25:52

Yeah, because the details themselves, I mean, that's not

25:54

what the case is about, is it? That's

25:58

exactly right. I mean, look. The case

26:00

is ultimately about falsifying business records,

26:02

34 business records,

26:05

checks, invoices, ledgers. So

26:07

Stormy Daniels can't shed any light

26:09

onto what prosecutors call the cover-up,

26:12

but they see her as a

26:14

key corroborating witness who

26:16

can talk about the alleged

26:19

conspiracy, which was to hide

26:21

damaging information from voters

26:24

by paying that hush money payment

26:26

to her, which prosecutors said amounted

26:28

to an illegal campaign donation essentially

26:31

to the Trump organization, which Michael Cohen

26:33

did plead guilty to in 2018. So

26:37

she was on the stand detailing how

26:39

she believed that it was Donald Trump

26:41

who was ultimately paying her the money

26:43

just through Michael Cohen, and that if

26:46

she didn't get paid before the election,

26:49

Michael Cohen was trying to delay that payment, she

26:51

felt she feared she might never get paid. And

26:54

how long more do we think this trial has

26:56

to run? Well,

26:59

Stormy Daniels is back on the stand when

27:02

court resumes on Thursday. Defense

27:04

lawyers are still cross-examining her and then

27:06

prosecutors will be able to come back

27:08

on redirect with more questions if necessary.

27:11

And we still have other key

27:13

witnesses like Michael Cohen, potentially Donald

27:15

Trump's bodyguard Keith Schiller. So

27:18

there are some other key voices. Prosecutors

27:20

say they need this week and next to wrap up

27:22

their case. And then it hands over to the defense.

27:25

Whether they call Donald Trump, if he does

27:27

indeed testify as he said he would, that

27:29

would be of course one of the biggest

27:31

moments of this trial. Neda,

27:33

many thanks. Neda Tafig there in New

27:35

York. And just an update on a

27:38

separate trial involving Donald Trump. There's a

27:40

judge in the case of the classified

27:42

documents case has said that she is

27:44

indefinitely postponing that

27:46

case from its 20th of May start

27:49

date. Now

27:52

today in the Kremlin as

27:54

Vladimir Putin was being inaugurated

27:56

for a fifth term in

27:58

what were familiarly lavish. ceremonies?

28:01

Well, elsewhere, another Vladimir imprisoned in

28:03

a Russian penal colony for criticising

28:05

the war in Ukraine was

28:08

getting a different honour. A Pulitzer Prize,

28:10

the highest journalism prize in the United

28:12

States, and it was from behind bars

28:14

of Vladimir Karamurzah, who is a joint

28:16

Russian and British citizen, wrote his prize-winning

28:19

columns for the Washington Post columns, which

28:21

paint the picture of a country living

28:24

in a distorted reality, but which also

28:26

hold out a hope of change.

28:28

They are columns which burn with a moral

28:30

fire. Joining us now

28:33

is Vladimir's wife, Yevgenia Karamurzah.

28:35

Good evening, Yevgenia. I don't

28:38

know what today means for you,

28:40

a prestigious prize for

28:43

your husband, but he is in

28:45

that penal colony. What does it mean

28:47

for you? Good

28:49

evening, James. Thank you very much for inviting me.

28:52

Well, it's truly, I think

28:56

I haven't still been able

28:58

to process this. It's

29:00

too much, it feels like. It's too big an

29:02

honour. But it's truly

29:05

very humbling to see

29:07

that my husband's journalistic

29:11

integrity, his commitment,

29:14

his courage and his professionalism

29:16

are being recognised in this

29:18

amazing way. And I'm truly

29:20

grateful to the Pulitzer's Board

29:22

for making this decision. And

29:25

I'm truly grateful to the Washington

29:27

Post for being my husband's amazing

29:29

platform for so many years. The

29:31

Washington Post welcomed my husband in

29:33

2017. And

29:36

since then, Vladimir has been writing

29:38

columns for the paper. And

29:40

this has become his

29:42

amazing community that

29:44

made everything possible to make sure

29:47

that Vladimir's voice continued

29:49

to be heard everywhere, even after he was

29:51

in prison. Well, quite the Pulitzer

29:53

statement Commends him for

29:56

passionate columns written under great personal

29:58

risk from his prison self. I

30:01

don't if you want to go into details

30:03

of how that, how he's doing that and

30:05

Harrys getting them out, but clearly it's important

30:07

for him to still make his voice heard.

30:11

And lots of decision as my

30:13

husband are very often closer. Professor

30:15

Irwin Cotler, the founder of Socks

30:17

They Were all will will Hinder

30:20

Center in Canada says that the

30:22

ah the biggest nightmare for political

30:24

prisoner is the thoughts of been

30:26

forgotten. So now that lot in

30:28

there is a political prisoner himself

30:30

of course and it means a

30:32

lot so him to know that

30:34

his voice is not forgotten that

30:37

he is not forgotten. And ah

30:39

the Washington Post has been doing.

30:41

A great job healthy me

30:43

and plus five like my

30:45

voice and am I I.

30:47

Know that I know how much

30:50

it means of Latimer to know

30:52

that she's vision of a different

30:54

function is known and is recognized

30:56

and respected. He's a sudden you've

30:59

got to sorry we don't have too much.

31:01

Somebody is still facing that twenty five year

31:03

term in prison. Can you tell us how

31:05

he is? How easy thing and serving it?

31:07

Yes, Yes, he's already serving as

31:09

he was a sentence the last

31:11

year in April. Twenty Twenty Three

31:13

sentenced to twenty eight to five

31:16

years a strict regime and he's

31:18

currency a been kept in insults,

31:20

insults, he confinement in the punishments

31:22

out of the so called Special

31:24

Resume prison colony which is the

31:26

harshest grade in rust penitentiary system.

31:29

He's been in Sochi since last

31:31

September. And is he aware of of this

31:33

honor? His

31:35

lawyer was able to see him today and

31:37

he passed or news on. To him

31:39

will give genius many thanks for joining

31:42

us so you have dinner kind of

31:44

mutasa the at once of that vadim

31:46

in Kalamazoo who has of ones put

31:48

a surprise from behind bars. now

31:51

two hundred years ago today ludwig

31:54

van beethoven took the stage and

31:56

vienna to conduct the first ever

31:58

performance of his knights him By

32:00

then Beethoven was deaf so he couldn't hear

32:02

the thunderous ovation for the 70 minute

32:05

odd symphony whose famous choral finale

32:07

incorporates Friedrich Schiller's poem Ode to

32:10

Joy. I've been discussing the history

32:12

and the enduring appeal of Beethoven's

32:14

ninth with Zachary Oromo, the chief

32:16

conductor of the BBC Symphony Orchestra.

32:29

In the 1820's Beethoven had kind of slightly

32:31

fallen out of fashion in Vienna. People

32:34

thought he was a bit difficult to

32:36

understand, he was a bit sort of

32:38

complicated, and actually Rossini was on

32:40

everybody's lips. Beethoven

32:43

was kind of a representative of

32:45

a bygone era already but he

32:47

had supporters who tried to talk

32:50

him over to write one more

32:52

really significant piece of German music.

32:55

There was this kind of battle between

32:57

the Italian style and the German style at

33:00

that time. He then

33:02

reverted back to this poem by Schiller

33:04

which he had known already from the

33:06

1790's so 30 years earlier. A poem

33:09

that had greatly touched him because Beethoven

33:11

had always this sense in his

33:14

music of wanting to open

33:16

the doors and the windows to a better

33:18

world. And the

33:20

ethical message of this poem

33:22

or this ode rather was

33:25

exactly what he needed at this

33:27

point. And

33:41

that message, all men shall be

33:43

brothers, was that important then? It

33:47

was important for him I think and of

33:49

course it's all men, it's not all people.

33:52

So it was very much in the sort of spirit of

33:54

the time but he

33:56

did need some

33:58

female encouragement. to actually

34:02

bring about writing this piece, because

34:04

there was a friend called Karolina

34:06

Una, who was a singer, and

34:09

she actually persuaded Beethoven to

34:11

actually take on the challenge

34:13

and continue, because

34:15

Beethoven was at the time kind of

34:19

dispirited and he'd lost his hearing

34:21

as well, and he'd sort of

34:23

lost, he thought he'd lost his

34:25

creative power. And he thought

34:27

actually about moving the premiere of the

34:29

piece to Berlin, because he was so cross

34:31

with the Viennese. And how

34:34

revolutionary was it to have

34:36

a vocal component? I

34:39

mean, it was pretty revolutionary, and

34:41

there is evidence that even four

34:43

months before the premiere, Beethoven still

34:46

had doubts and thought, oh

34:48

no, I actually write an instrumental finale.

34:50

And he even made sketches for it, which

34:53

exist. But then he ended

34:55

up going for the vocal finale, and

34:57

it's also interesting how he described it

35:00

when he was thinking about conceiving

35:02

the finale. He thought about some

35:04

Turkish music with a chorus. So

35:07

there is a beat in the finale

35:09

in the middle that sounds where

35:11

the percussion player en masse, and it sounds a

35:13

bit like sort of the Yanichars,

35:16

the Turkish army musicians

35:18

are coming. And

35:28

I think Beethoven, of course, he thought about it

35:30

as a piece for his environment. But

35:32

of course, it's only natural

35:34

that it became international, it

35:37

became globally renowned. It

35:39

became a political vehicle for

35:42

all sorts of shady and

35:45

not shady political systems. It

35:47

was used by the Nazis, it was used

35:49

in the Soviet Union as well. And

35:52

of course nowadays, it's the king of

35:54

the European Union. So I mean,

35:57

it's a piece that kind of lends itself to... A

36:00

while and. And

36:13

why has it stood the test of time?

36:18

I think it the whole trajectory of

36:20

the symphony we haven't talked so much

36:23

about. The the first three movements is

36:25

a from this kind of very dark,

36:27

very mysterious, quite sinister place of the

36:30

first movement. And

36:32

then gradually through developments to the

36:35

sort of absolute joy I'm elation

36:37

and happiness. or of the end

36:39

of the last woman. Isn't

36:46

that a kind of tour of

36:49

human life As such, and for

36:51

you, is it still something you

36:53

enjoy conducting? Always? it just not

36:56

a challenge. How do you view

36:58

it as a conductor Conducting Bachelor

37:00

Nine is a huge humongous challenge

37:02

every time it's with them. in

37:05

a way that doesn't take into

37:07

account that the characteristics of read,

37:09

system and group of each instrument

37:12

is not like instrumentally Constable, nor

37:14

is it vocally. Comfortable, especially for

37:16

the sellers, but also for the

37:19

course is gonna read them in

37:21

Assassin that doesn't care about the

37:23

physical difficulties of playing or singing,

37:26

and hence it has to be

37:28

sort of made to sound this

37:30

kind of elemental struggle and it's

37:33

really hard to do that while

37:35

still keeping the whole thing moving.

37:37

I'm going forward to it's to

37:40

it's end and it's It's kind

37:42

of herb. Yeah, I always approached

37:44

Beethoven. Nine. When I've conducted

37:46

at with a certain amount of

37:49

trepidation, How's

38:11

Zachary Oromo, the Chief Conductor

38:13

of the BBC Symphony Orchestra

38:15

on Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, which

38:17

premiered exactly 200 years ago

38:19

today. Our

38:22

closing headlines tonight. Passengers arriving at

38:24

UK airports are facing long delays

38:26

at passport control, caused by a

38:28

nationwide failure of the automated electronic

38:30

gates. The airports say they are

38:32

supporting Border Force staff to minimise

38:34

disruption. The Home Office has been

38:36

approached for comment. Israel has vowed

38:39

to continue its offensive in Rafa

38:41

until Hamas is defeated or

38:43

hostages are released, as

38:45

the United Nations leads international calls

38:47

for a ceasefire deal with Hamas.

38:50

And Donald Trump's hush money trial has

38:52

heard evidence from the porn star at

38:54

the centre of the case. That

38:57

is The World Tonight. This is James Kamara

38:59

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