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Guy Montgomery. Oh, is this it? Yeah.

1:22

Guy Montgomery. Yeah, and

1:25

Timbette. Together. Together in a

1:27

tree. Together at last, I was going to

1:29

say. Oh, true. We're so close.

1:31

We're finishing. We are. We're

1:33

going to send sentences. That's not true. You just said

1:36

sentences. Yeah. Um, we

1:38

are, I'm saying together at last, but we are together a bit

1:40

at the moment. Yeah, it's nice. It

1:43

is nice. We're both, we're together socially. Yeah.

1:47

Uh, I'd say we're together professionally. I don't know if

1:49

we've brought the, or I should start a, I just

1:51

want to track how we do at the time. Um,

1:54

I don't know if we shared

1:56

with our wonderful libertarian listener residing

1:59

in. in the great state

2:01

of Alabama, that you rented

2:04

a house for us to stay

2:07

in recently, which was such a pro

2:09

move. And we intended to do some podcast

2:11

work. And then we thought, you know what would be

2:14

better than that? Not. Yeah.

2:17

The goal was to, because I felt

2:21

so rinsed by

2:24

10 years of,

2:28

I want to say, dreeding's spending time with

2:31

you, but certainly it was not a straightforward

2:33

hang. Yeah, yeah. It had become complicated.

2:35

Do you think, yeah,

2:38

had that association between me and

2:40

watching a bad movie? I

2:43

just meant when I got messages from you, there

2:46

was like very rarely was there a song in

2:48

my heart. Yeah. A lot of

2:51

the time my heart would sink like a stone. I think

2:55

we either, I've forgotten to do

2:57

something or there's something we

2:59

have to do or we are about to do something

3:02

bad. And

3:04

I thought, and this is what I thought, what if I got

3:06

a message from Tim and I thought, I

3:08

wonder how my friend Tim's doing. And

3:11

the house booking was part of that. And

3:13

I booked us a nice house. So

3:15

really, really dead. It was sensational. It

3:17

was in one of the sort of

3:20

west coast black sand beaches of

3:23

Auckland where the waves are wild.

3:26

And the only wilder than the waves are

3:28

the boys. Yeah. Yeah.

3:31

We brought a lot of drugs there and then we

3:33

did them and we went to a waterfall and we

3:35

sat in these beautiful rock pools. Yeah. And

3:37

we went to the beach. Yeah. It was

3:40

so nice. And then we listened

3:42

to music real loud on that

3:45

sofa. Yeah. And then we got

3:47

a real throw to the, I've been talking about

3:49

sort of 70s home architecture recently. Yeah.

3:51

Having a sound system just pointed at

3:54

a couch, that's got to make a

3:56

comeback now. TVs are out. It's all

3:58

about having two big floor. speakers and

4:00

a record player pointed at you. It's a beautiful

4:02

way to listen to music isn't it? To

4:05

do it deliberately. Yeah.

4:07

I listen to an album

4:09

that you like. Yes. With

4:12

an open mind. Which I appreciate. And we listen to it

4:14

from the start of the finish. Yeah. It's

4:16

one of the most challenging musical

4:18

experiences I've had. For those curious

4:20

it was Noah and I can't

4:22

remember is it Noah forever?

4:25

Spelt K-N-O-W-E-R. Lewis

4:32

Cole and Genevieve. I always forget how to pronounce

4:35

his surname. But it's quite

4:37

awesome. It's quite busy. Oh it's

4:39

so busy. If

4:41

you want to repeat this journey it's

4:43

the one that's got the government nose

4:46

on it. Yeah. Which I've

4:48

seen on YouTube I think. Yeah.

4:51

And sort of as a novelty experience

4:53

in isolation I was like that's funny.

4:55

There's a whole album accompanying that. The

4:58

rapper they put around it was um

5:01

it was intense. So anyway it's great

5:03

to be with you. Well now we're together in trees.

5:05

Yeah. To me this is the sort of thing I

5:08

like to do. This is nice though. This is nicer

5:10

than Chant. And even absent that challenging album though the

5:12

rest of it was a pretty flawless victory. Oh absolutely

5:14

and even the Chant again was part of the experience.

5:16

And we listened to Floating Point which you put on.

5:19

Floating Point yeah. We got it back on a on

5:21

a good I just thought we probably need to strip

5:23

things back a little bit. Yeah. I certainly I

5:26

was certainly in a position where I needed to just

5:29

slow things down a touch. Sure sure.

5:32

And now we're in a park

5:34

and we're in a I don't again one

5:37

of the things that this podcast really highlights to me

5:39

how little I know about while

5:41

I respect trees and enjoy trees. I

5:44

can't identify trees. It's one of those things where I'm always

5:47

like I get in a tree and I'm like now this

5:49

is a birchwood. I don't know what

5:51

that means or if that's true or what the

5:53

hallmarks of a birch tree are. Well do

5:56

you know we could um we've got a

5:58

guest here. Yeah. And it's it's They

6:00

are a guest who I don't know what

6:02

they know about trees, I don't know if they know anything

6:05

about trees but the way that they carry themselves in the

6:07

world suggests

6:11

to me there is a relationship to nature I

6:14

think of this person as being very grounded

6:16

Ok, I can understand where you're going with

6:18

this Should we introduce? I would

6:20

love it if you would Please

6:22

welcome to the podcast, not to

6:25

the tree, podcast and a

6:27

tree, guest on the ground, it's Ben McGoogy Hey

6:31

Ben Hey guys Lovely to have you with us,

6:33

I'll give you one of these because you're close

6:35

enough that I can Wow, it's a nice proximity

6:37

to Ben to one another, yeah? We

6:40

can do that, just across Tim, very gently

6:43

It's really showing up how barely off the ground we

6:45

are, but we are still off the ground For

6:47

all the people at home though, Ben could be really

6:50

tall If

6:52

you're only experiencing the audio, Ben is at eye

6:54

level with both Tim and myself I'm

6:58

8'4", and loving the look of

7:00

the... I think with you both in shorts,

7:02

it's very sort of toyetic

7:06

I've never heard that word in my life,

7:08

what is toyetic then? It looks like toys,

7:11

you look like boys, it's boyetic

7:13

You look like your legs dangling,

7:15

it's quite sweet We look

7:17

like toy boys Yeah, we have a couple of

7:19

little toy boys Was Guy correct

7:22

in his assumptions about your

7:24

earthy, grounded, naturally connectedness? Listen,

7:28

me and Gaia, like that But

7:31

I don't know the names of the trees either, I know

7:33

their names Oh yeah, this,

7:36

this Gerald I

7:39

don't go in for the science, just feel

7:41

it out You're

7:43

so connected to nature that that would almost be eugenics

7:46

Yeah, it's kind of weird But

7:48

breaking everyone down to their genetic

7:50

components It's like, this is actually

7:52

Gerald and he's a whole own

7:55

person tree And we should respect him Are

7:57

we respecting him? He loved it, he's...

7:59

having a great time. Yeah. This is his first

8:02

podcast. Well do you know the reason I think

8:04

of you as grounded and beheaps knowing about nature

8:06

is because you're what you are I would say

8:08

the only person I know who lives barefoot and

8:11

fancy-free. Yeah. And fancy-free. Yeah.

8:13

None of these highfalutin rubber soles for you.

8:16

No sir. No. I will

8:18

say I talk a big game about not wearing

8:20

shoes. One of my feet is pretty fucking sore.

8:23

I've been doing a lot of walking. Why is it

8:25

sore? It's just a lot of gravel, a lot of

8:28

roads. A lot of miles. Sore

8:31

from lilage. Yeah. Sore

8:33

in a way that is like

8:36

inside of the foot like a bone or muscle

8:38

or cartilage thing or sore like. Just externally. Sore in

8:40

the kind of way you would expect

8:42

to be sore if you took off your shoes and

8:44

walked on the road. For ages. You've

8:46

been doing this for a while though. But you've been

8:48

doing this as long as I've known you. I would

8:51

assume that you'd have a leathery base. Oh it is.

8:53

It's quite hard. Yeah. No.

8:56

I've always just not worn shoes. Yeah. I used

8:58

to I had to wear them for you know

9:00

work and like school. I had to but I

9:02

told them at school it was part of my

9:05

religion. And I got away with it.

9:07

Did you? Wow. What religion did you claim to be? I

9:09

think I was Shinto. Really? Yeah.

9:12

You know much about S H

9:15

I N T O

9:17

with the? Oh you've got

9:19

the macron. No E. Well I mean

9:21

it's you know it's Japanese anyway. Yeah. You

9:24

don't know how to do the kanji? We

9:27

say is Shinto is

9:30

that because it is tethered to you know Fortall

9:32

leg related stuff as well? Was that part of

9:35

the? I was just sort of you

9:37

know in Japan you take your shoes off before you enter

9:39

a house. Yeah. And and like

9:41

that's what the spirits were telling me to do. It

9:43

was all bollocks. I didn't believe I didn't know anything

9:45

about it. Of course. And was

9:48

there a period aside from there like have you

9:50

had to navigate other periods where you

9:52

know societal norms dictate a pair of shoes might

9:54

be a go-to and you're saying but you don't

9:56

understand. I'm Shinto. And What is it?

9:59

Are They too? Signal To This

10:01

This. In a you

10:03

know that jail the tree? What of

10:05

What am I left and right fit?

10:07

Thinking about the situation right now. This

10:10

know how it works. Your guy? Yes,

10:12

you are a guy. Yeah yeah. see

10:14

I know individuals. And mine

10:17

aren't either. An. Issue

10:19

certainly am. Tired. Auto

10:21

know man I just don't like it.

10:23

I guess I don't get ha you

10:25

get on the around haunt us. Not.

10:28

As much as I said I've been thinking about

10:30

of invading about getting in the head with a

10:32

rickety thing I can pull i think most of the

10:34

same and haven inaugurating. I did look at and a

10:36

half. An issue by beating firearms.

10:39

You hear of it to I do.

10:41

Yeah, I've gone blue none. Bleached.

10:43

Blonde right now. You.

10:46

Have got my my team. Ruby's

10:49

to Live Mckinsey ah non know I advise

10:51

me that the with their the the help

10:53

you do it that I love doing it

10:56

the of they did I do the here

10:58

for years I do it for me to

11:00

this this and expensive process you can do

11:02

consider them to be like Stylus. Year.

11:05

That's my that my style same the my

11:07

gurus do I do the wardrobe is a

11:09

neither touch this food of the water him

11:11

again for her ha ha ha ha it's

11:13

over him again. Wow gotta have a line

11:15

in the same year. With. Your

11:18

stuff. When. So sorry to to

11:20

ram bank took least not ashamed of myself i

11:22

think them own fate selfishly aiming at what i

11:24

say this breezy in and the been you can

11:26

access as courses or a full blown it out

11:28

are you sick of talking about the fact that

11:31

you it be say to everybody here in did

11:33

sick of his etc but as as well as

11:35

i don't know i'd like a lot of the

11:37

maybe i told you about of the law law

11:39

as they are like you would get a lotta

11:41

cheddar about it. He I just don't

11:43

want a very interested in knowing boys. I've

11:46

been trying to write jokes about it my

11:48

entire comedy career in I Get Home I

11:50

Don't hate just like I just don't answers.

11:52

Oh yeah the bet it's like you wearing

11:54

shoes. you know? Yet it's

11:56

an odd thing to write a gag or and yeah

11:58

it's to shows are you say. I'd pretty

12:00

weird that we we're she's. This.

12:02

Is set up I know a little just feel

12:05

fight we're we didn't know why this is. I

12:07

think I might have talked about this before but

12:09

I I remember ages ago. As

12:11

watching a podcast or something, I want to say

12:13

the God is a podiatrist than a foot doctor.

12:16

Yeah, and he was still me about how

12:18

I'm. Sure, He attrition is

12:20

the one that gets yet node up.

12:22

That's right, they had doctor yeah. Not.

12:25

A no child is it on from my you gotta

12:27

not As a matter of on trading the yeah. She's

12:30

kind of fuck out there.

12:32

Nitro? Yeah I. See.

12:35

Series that a connection to the ground in

12:37

in and might be a part of the

12:39

reason why we have such bed had as

12:41

we did all that because you're gonna like

12:43

it would be like wearing gloves or with

12:46

i missed the Lg that years of a

12:48

like going through life wearing gloves all the

12:50

time you started doubling your ability to seen

12:52

slight we the pressures thing put on your

12:54

fate and being able to adjust your body

12:56

accordingly. Would he make a there was nothing

12:58

seems must wear gloves a lot. Moon.

13:01

Year and not twenty four seven. Nine.

13:03

Not the point where you gonna light lose. Nomination.

13:07

Were. In urban cities, I have like to wear

13:09

grounding, is that led to the other thing is

13:11

so area and you mean to go, and you

13:14

know, because. So. Unnatural to them to do.

13:16

You mean the consciously take it fucking shoes and

13:18

socks off a gun? Get some grass and between

13:20

your toes and well, that's an electricity thing. Is.

13:22

That this this let em up high feeling

13:25

about this right here? Know that. Grounding.

13:27

Is when that when I die?

13:29

Die? Yeah. I talking about

13:32

ground and I agree with that name. I.

13:34

Had a I had a a buddhist

13:36

nun tell me it it means that

13:38

on spiritually grounded once. Yes the

13:40

Uk people telling you all sorts of the

13:43

his life I once tried to flout of

13:45

play out of in buttons thirteen fourteen I

13:47

once i to board a plane before yet

13:49

when limit not. I got in real

13:51

trouble. I dive when try to go on the plane.

13:54

or barefoot and a lot you can't do that

13:56

and i jokingly said well at least you know

13:58

i don't have a shoe bomb and they did

14:00

not No, wow, he's got like, we mentioned it.

14:02

He's your material. Yeah, yeah, true, actually. You're

14:05

helping. Yeah. Did you

14:07

claim religious reasons

14:09

for the plane at all? No, the... You

14:12

put shoes on. I just put shoes on.

14:14

I just did what I stole at that

14:16

point. Airports, man. They think they're so... They

14:19

take themselves very, very seriously. They really

14:21

do, man. Airports need to chill out.

14:23

I get it. Like, a few bad

14:25

things have happened. But in the grand

14:28

scheme of flying... Most of them go

14:30

off without a hitch. So much shit hasn't gone wrong.

14:33

I don't know if this is still

14:35

true, but apparently the TSA, the American...

14:38

The Transport Safety Association? I don't even know what

14:40

it stands for. But whatever they invented after 9-11,

14:42

where they give you metal

14:44

detectors, this is your own planes and stuff.

14:47

It's got billions and billions of dollars. It

14:49

has not thwarted a single terrorist attack ever.

14:52

Wow. And it's like they're saying it was set up to do. Yeah,

14:55

but it's made

14:57

traveling a lot worse. Yeah.

15:01

Because they're crudit. They haven't done a phenomenal

15:03

job of that. They have killed it. Yeah.

15:06

That's good. I want a looser experience back

15:08

at the airport. You know, those

15:10

heady days of the 80s and 90s, where

15:12

you just kind of... I

15:15

have a perception of what I think more seeing it

15:17

in movies and TV. But it felt

15:19

like international travel was just so much

15:21

easier. Swannan. Yeah.

15:25

You know, you wouldn't be in a line for three

15:27

hours and get strip searched and X-rayed. It's the swanning

15:29

I miss. Yeah. The most. Yeah.

15:33

Right? Walking around like you cock-a-the-watt.

15:36

You just really run. It's really

15:38

getting onto an international flight. Yeah.

15:41

Nothing's more like cold than walking onto a plane

15:43

going, I'm going to be in a different border

15:45

soon. You guys have been on a long... You

15:48

ever go on a long plane and just see how long

15:50

you can not do anything? So like, you go in. Oh.

15:54

No book. No drink. No

15:56

screens. Just sit. Just

15:58

sit. Not tried that. Yeah,

16:00

I'd images pretty disconcerting for

16:02

like I'm. Other passengers

16:04

if a live setting. staring straight day let's

16:07

look at the window was like. I.

16:09

Guess the right until as your

16:11

his the I like not just.

16:14

Yelling locked in eyes directly in front

16:16

of the it was okay it as

16:18

i get to know about then lives

16:21

that are you made ago the standard

16:23

fests ball on your name school photo

16:25

style looking at a lot of for

16:27

save with a. Nice

16:29

tight spot the balls and just did.

16:31

I've locked in front of the yet

16:33

the diverse and big see ghosts and are

16:36

you nervous flier? you got? Nope. Ah.

16:42

There was a good there were good Fun thing

16:44

Today was the last blinds he got on been.

16:47

Just come back from Berlin him. That

16:49

a big plan or little plan Little Pinder

16:52

only been them as it is a plane

16:54

is during a snazzy my here and thirty

16:56

helicopter I can see ah planes as the.

16:59

Lower. The signs of the signs of

17:01

the hospital. Yeah, I.

17:05

Know what was bleeding like

17:07

Lovely with the like a.

17:10

Yeah. I mean we were really we were sort of out

17:12

of out of when I'm a little bit for us day. Means.

17:15

I'm pariahs. On. Of

17:17

vineyards and I'm on this.

17:19

Live in this little cottage.

17:21

Really really luxury accommodation really

17:24

year outdoor bows. Ah, they've

17:26

got addicted to. The add to a

17:28

bar is that if the like fire

17:30

up the collaborative now it's on that

17:32

year now is really easy. Bougie Yeah,

17:34

that's good stuff there and you could

17:36

you you. Films. You're

17:38

very funny stand up comedian. New film

17:40

near Sunday. unique circumstances I think year

17:42

I why well there was. The idea

17:45

was to make it look unique to

17:47

make it look not like other comedy

17:49

specials and know like good ones that

17:51

I live with. That are what we

17:53

did you filming. the like

17:55

on the vineyard these this little six

17:57

in a looks like oh sort

18:00

of stone

18:03

Viking Hall and

18:05

it was lit by lots of little

18:07

candles behind and whoa it's quite romantic

18:09

really. And who came? Just

18:12

like old Beddies from around Blenheim. Ben

18:16

McGougan fans? No they didn't know me before that. What kind

18:18

of would it be? Our fans now though you know what

18:20

I mean? You want them over? Ben McGougou. When

18:23

you're committing something to Sally Lloyd you

18:25

want to make sure there's many old

18:28

women who have never heard of you before.

18:30

Hell yeah. The energy you want. Yeah. I

18:32

got so much respect for this Ben because

18:34

the internet is like

18:36

awash with self-produced stand-up

18:38

specials at the moment I think and you do

18:40

you got to find a way to stand out.

18:43

Yeah no there's a lot of them and some

18:45

of them are quite good. Yeah sadly. Yeah. Guy's

18:47

got one coming out soon. A lot of them

18:49

is. Yeah that's good. A lot of them. Oh

18:51

really? No well it's not interesting it's just you

18:53

know and a lot of them you're meant to

18:56

make it look like you didn't self-produce it. You're

18:58

meant to make it look to a standard that

19:00

it's like this is pretty slick. I like the

19:02

sort of boutique

19:04

wool shed 15 like

19:07

pensioners from Blenheim coming out to get behind you.

19:09

I think it's

19:12

really you know. I

19:14

think it speaks to your abilities as a performer

19:16

to put on a good show. Yeah how did

19:18

it happen? Giggly's how'd you feel? Giggly's was great.

19:21

Yeah. Yeah no it was um. You're not

19:23

especially filthy are you? Well

19:25

I am a hag um but

19:28

these these ladies so I do

19:30

talk about my stinky pinky quite a bit

19:32

but these ladies were loving it. Yeah. These

19:34

old biddies we don't give them enough credit.

19:36

Don't underestimate the other 60s. Nah man they

19:38

like it nasty. They like it dirty. They

19:40

love it. They don't get that shit. They've

19:42

been there. They've done that. They know what

19:44

you're talking about. Has it come up recently?

19:46

Yeah. I've done nastier shit than you could

19:48

even dream of. You asked for the back

19:51

of the outdoor baths afterwards. I would. Had

19:54

to hit off back of the home. I've

19:58

always wanted to film uh stand-up

20:00

special there is a

20:02

laundromat in Gray Lynn

20:05

oh yeah on New

20:07

North Road I think. Gray North,

20:09

is it the one in the Gray

20:11

Lynn shops? 24-hour one. Yeah yeah you

20:13

have windows and then it just they

20:15

keep getting damaged so often that they

20:17

just removed all the windows. Just an

20:19

open-air laundromat. Oh and when I first

20:23

moved to Auckland me

20:25

and my mate Barnaby lived just down the hill

20:28

from it and this place called

20:30

Shirley Road which was funny it was the

20:32

only place we could afford to live in

20:34

Gray Lynn, a little shoebox apartment riddled with

20:37

mushrooms, leaky walls,

20:39

it was tiny, got no sun

20:42

and my friend who was doing

20:44

a criminology degree mapped the

20:46

like reported crimes of Gray Lynn

20:49

Ponsonby and the map

20:51

was colour-coded and everything was in

20:53

blue and green which is chill except

20:55

literally our streets, our little street, Shirley

20:58

Road was this red line

21:00

in the middle of this oasis of calm. Hell

21:02

yeah. And it was a great time and we

21:04

didn't have a laundry there so we've been trekking

21:06

up the hill with all my my

21:08

bits and I'd sit down there and I'd put

21:10

my washing in and I'd write jokes in my

21:12

notebook while my washing was happening and I still

21:14

remember it so like fondly that time. I was

21:16

gonna say it would have been full of criminativity

21:19

because the daylight robbery you boys were getting on

21:21

this apartment in Gray Lynn. For memory?

21:23

80 bucks a week

21:25

maybe? This is a long time ago.

21:27

Black mold though. Not good. Risking a

21:29

lot. And yeah my flame mate had

21:32

health issues so it wasn't an ideal

21:34

situation. I've done laundry at that laundromat. It's

21:36

good right? Yeah. Do you like a laundromat? Yeah. Do

21:38

you like a New York City man? I did. I

21:41

liked it. Sometimes

21:45

you like it. It's like a luxury, like

21:48

the luxury is having the time to enjoy

21:52

it instead of like it's fucking inconvenient. Yeah yeah.

21:54

Generally speaking when you want to do your laundry

21:56

and you've got to walk 400 meters

21:59

down the road. But when you're 22 and

22:02

you don't have any money but you do have

22:04

time Yeah yeah It's kind of a nice It's

22:06

kind of sweet I like it I like the

22:08

in New York where they do they've got the

22:11

laundromat in the apartment building you know I want

22:13

to experience that Well that's like you know it's

22:15

you go so you go no washer

22:17

dryer in building so laundromat and then it would go

22:19

washer dryer in building is like a nicer building because

22:21

you don't have to leave the building to do it

22:24

and then an apartment is like you

22:27

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22:29

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24:09

the concept of having like a washer and a

24:11

dryer in your home in New York City is

24:13

pretty out the gate. It's not normal to

24:15

do that really. I like that. This

24:17

is what I was saying about swimming pools. Laundry

24:20

should be a public... You know? I'm

24:23

not saying it should be like not

24:25

privatised or whatever but it... I'm

24:28

not going to make... Does everyone have their little

24:30

tub individually in their house? It does because people

24:32

have lots of laundry to do. It's

24:35

not like... Environmentally it's so much better to have

24:37

a few big things the one has

24:39

to come to and use. Of

24:41

course. But... Shared

24:43

goods. That's how you build

24:46

a community. You have a watering hole. We used

24:48

to just go down by the river didn't we?

24:50

Back in the day just... Slapping... Slapping away on

24:52

the river. Slapping away on the rocks. On the

24:54

rocks. Have you guys ever washed clothes in a

24:56

river? Ah, or a trampoline

24:58

but that's it. I washed it in

25:00

a kitchen sink before. Yeah. Because

25:02

we didn't have... Our

25:05

washing machine was broke and we didn't have hot water so

25:07

I had to boil the jug to put...

25:10

And then I put dishwashing liquid

25:12

in a few herbal tea bags

25:14

in there. Not in water! But

25:17

so it wouldn't smell. Were you sober? Yeah.

25:21

Yeah. The tea

25:23

bags, would they just colour the water and laundry?

25:27

Nah, they were like sort of... They were

25:29

like lemony. Yeah, right. What you'd expect

25:31

washing powder to be... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

25:33

Fenced it anyway. That's great. You

25:35

weren't putting any wild berry or any crazy... Maybe

25:38

I should. Raspberry tea. Time's marching on, I'm going

25:40

to introduce a segment and then I'm going to

25:42

bring something up which has come to my head.

25:45

It's time for everyone's favourite segment, Drugs in a

25:47

Tree. Okay. We're

25:50

not going to do the drugs now because... Reveal

25:54

Guy and I did the drugs about 40, 50

25:58

minutes ago. And

26:00

the drug we did today is LFD.

26:03

LFD. Wow. Slow

26:06

release. Any feeling any of it?

26:08

I reckon. Yeah. I reckon I'm in

26:10

a good spot now. I'm certainly starting to feel... When

26:12

you started talking about feet being individual people, I

26:14

was like, he's not mine. Yeah.

26:18

Here we go. Well, you know, to my credit, I do think about that in

26:21

the cold light of day sometimes too. I

26:24

think basically, you know, in

26:26

comedy, it pays to anthropomorphise everything. Yeah.

26:29

I'm going backwards from there. Start

26:31

with that as your starting point. It's how

26:33

pics are make movies. Ben. It's

26:36

true. They're like, this has

26:38

feelings. What's your relationship to acid? Love it.

26:41

Took a big break from it for

26:43

like years because I thought I sort of

26:46

clocked it. Nice. I thought I'd done all

26:48

I could do. Made a recent return, done

26:50

two trips and had a great time

26:53

both times. That's so good. Yeah. So

26:55

you clocked it. What does that feel like to see

26:57

the end credits of acid? It's

27:01

quite nice really. Instead of like, it wasn't

27:03

like goodbye forever. It was like, see

27:05

you later, you know. There's

27:08

a list of names of psychotherapists in the 1950s. The

27:13

names of the snakes that came out of my curtains

27:15

at one time. Yeah,

27:19

no, it was sweet. Yeah.

27:21

So was it a situation where you like did

27:23

so much once that you were like, got

27:25

through that, we're good. Maybe we don't revisit it for a

27:27

while. Or was it the case that you did it so

27:29

many times and you were like, I'm good.

27:32

I'm getting out of here. Yeah, the ladder. I

27:34

just like never had a bad time with it. That's so

27:36

good. And just sort of, yeah, felt like I

27:38

was done. Was I talking to

27:41

you about this? Do you sometimes consider drug taking or

27:43

a drug experience to be like a, you

27:45

don't think of bad trips, right? Yeah.

27:48

It's like mental feats of strength. Yeah,

27:52

I don't know if this is objectively true, but I think

27:54

it's an important way to frame it. Yeah. Taking

27:57

drugs. There's no such thing as a bad trip. Yeah,

28:00

you're looking at bits of information that you

28:02

perhaps weren't planning towards. Exactly, but there's a

28:05

lesson to be learned in all of them

28:07

and you've just got to treat it, you

28:09

know. I think, I

28:12

don't even, I don't know, I've had like quite

28:14

full-on trips, but I don't know if I would

28:16

class in years damaging or

28:18

anything. And I think the people I've talked to

28:20

who have had particularly bad times are

28:23

people who like do heaps

28:25

all at once without experience,

28:27

wig out, don't like having their hands

28:30

off the wheels. I think it's

28:32

also... Try to put their hands back on

28:34

the wheel. When you're trying to outrun a

28:36

bad trip, that's a loser's go... because

28:38

it's happening and, you know, like... It's not

28:40

gonna work. Do you have any tactics for

28:42

when it begins to be challenging to sort

28:45

of... You mean to

28:47

move towards the fear? Ah yeah. I

28:49

mean to embrace it. Well, because you can't, you're

28:51

not gonna, your subconscious brain is delivering it to

28:53

you and you can't override it because your subconscious

28:56

is driving so much of what's happening. And so

28:58

if you look at it, it

29:00

sort of disempowers or at least addresses it in some

29:02

way instead of being like, I just don't want to,

29:04

I just don't want to. You've got to. Wow.

29:07

That can be quite cathartic, I

29:09

imagine. Big time. You didn't

29:11

say, are you so like mentally sound that you're just

29:14

doing heaps of acid and you're like, I'm just 100%

29:16

this rock. I'm a demogu. I

29:18

don't get down, man. I don't

29:21

get down very often. Um, yeah,

29:23

so I don't know. They rock. Yeah, it does

29:25

rock. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty good. You need to

29:27

be bashful about that. That's awesome. How

29:29

would I, how would a guy like me get a Ben Magoo

29:31

down? Take your shoes off. I think he'd love that. I

29:34

think I'd enjoy that quite a bit. Um, I

29:36

don't know. You'd have to beat

29:38

me up, I guess. I don't think I

29:41

could. I don't think they would take you down either. I

29:43

think you would find. Aren't you strong? I'm

29:45

like pretty, I'm stronger than I look. That was the other

29:47

thing I wanted to bring up. Oh, yeah. So you talk

29:49

about that. Well, you, um, David

29:52

Krauss again, obviously a friend to

29:54

all, uh, was posting recently about

29:56

your gym habits. Yeah. I,

29:59

and with that, one. to describe any of them I

30:01

thought maybe you could walk us through what you told

30:03

him and then you know what the case

30:05

study when you took him to the gym under this sure

30:08

if you want yeah I hope David's alright with

30:10

it I'm sure he would be so

30:13

I told him we were hanging out and

30:16

I told him sometimes I go to the gym drunk and

30:19

and he was high and I was

30:21

drunk he don't drink and I don't

30:23

smoke and and so he's like I've

30:25

got to see this and so we went

30:27

to the gym I had

30:30

another beer can I can I track back as

30:32

to why you think it's why you like to

30:34

go drunk why I

30:36

like to go drunk it's sort

30:38

of there's an element

30:40

of like do

30:42

you ever run home drunk I have

30:45

but I don't but I have not

30:47

yeah do you know and you're like sort of I'm

30:50

not gonna remember this so I might as

30:52

well run use it for

30:54

good yeah and I've had that conscious

30:56

thought and then the the run home is a blur

30:58

maybe I remember bits of it but I'm just like

31:00

I wake up and you know when you feel like

31:03

you're tired and you've used your body and you feel

31:05

good yes I feel that and so

31:07

like I go to the gym and I

31:09

can like push a little bit harder yeah

31:11

right no and I just enjoy the experience

31:14

I like being drunk I don't know what to tell you so

31:17

you and David go how drunk are you at the

31:19

gym um how drunk

31:22

I mean the drunkest I've ever been

31:24

in the gym I do not recall

31:26

so wow you're a risk to yourself

31:30

and others yeah yeah I

31:33

don't remember it I I

31:36

was like I woke up with

31:38

my gym bag there and my shoes because I

31:40

do wear shoes at the gym and

31:42

I was like oh shit I must have

31:44

gone to the gym I'm

31:48

people were like oh I went to

31:50

the casino last night you're like oh

31:52

I worked out last night yeah

31:55

so when you went with David how was that

31:57

it's great fun we were yelling a lot We

32:02

really pushed ourselves. He

32:05

made me do this one where I was on my

32:07

tummy for a bit and I did I did kind

32:09

of throw back the beer because we wanted to go

32:11

to the gym and I did feel a bit bloated

32:13

and then on the walk home he got

32:15

in an Uber and I walked home and

32:17

I messaged him and I go, I

32:19

threw up on the way home and then I felt really good

32:22

so I did a bunch of push-ups when I got home. And

32:25

that's all true. That's all true. That's

32:29

a unique approach to working out. He's being

32:31

a good man. He's thinking outside the box.

32:33

He really is. It wouldn't

32:35

occur to me to get drunk before I go to the gym.

32:38

No, I've never been to a gym. You've

32:41

never been? No. We should do

32:43

a few proofs and fucking go to the gym. You'll love

32:45

it. See, I'd like to separate

32:47

out and colour me crazy but I do

32:49

like to pass out my sort

32:51

of drinking and my exercise.

32:53

Okay, sure. Have you

32:56

crossed the streams much? I've

33:00

run after a few beers, after probably three beers

33:02

max just to see what it was like. It

33:09

was not that nice. It's nicer to run

33:11

without beer in you. I've

33:13

run stoned and again it's

33:15

like I've done the

33:17

research. Sure.

33:21

It's not... Running's

33:23

not every... Golf? I've tried

33:26

golf on substances and again

33:29

it sort of degrades the value of the golf but

33:31

in a way it can also enhance the overall experience.

33:33

What is the value of golf? Well,

33:35

it's like any hobby. It's trying to

33:37

improve at something. It's the satisfaction of

33:39

incremental improvement at anything. But is this

33:41

a golf? Yeah, but

33:44

that's everything. Every hobby sucks

33:46

to someone. I guess. Everything

33:48

is a waste of time. But

33:51

this isn't a waste of time because it's time

33:53

for another... I've been buying a variety of different

33:55

pastries. So far

33:57

what we tried, we tried... Yeah,

34:00

in episode one and what we have in episode two.

34:02

The Armand Croissant for some reason. Any episode three what

34:04

do we have? A different Armand Croissant. Well, I've got

34:06

a big reveal for you today because I've

34:09

been to a French

34:11

patisserie and I have for us today.

34:16

Well, I've only got to put almonds on this bloody

34:18

croissant. You

34:20

know that really gets my goat. I

34:23

said I want to see a single fucking

34:25

almond. That's what I said. You heard me.

34:28

And then they go and give me this. We were in

34:30

there earlier today and I was like, are you going to

34:33

get an Armand Croissant here? He's like, I already got something.

34:35

It's all good. Thank you. He

34:37

got a fucking almond croissant again, didn't he? Yeah, yeah.

34:40

There you go. Thanks, mate. Let's have a go at this. Do

34:43

you like these sorts of things? Hell yeah. I'm

34:45

not even mad. No, well, it would be unusual

34:47

to be mad because a friend accidentally

34:49

brought an Armand Croissant to a tree. It

34:51

would be an unusual thing to get upset

34:53

about, wouldn't it? That was very smoky. And

34:56

that's good? Yeah. This one is

34:58

beautifully flaky. Well, the woman I bought

35:00

it from. Also flaky. Yeah,

35:03

I asked her out. She

35:07

ghosted me. No, she had a French accent.

35:09

Not for nothing. Yeah, it was a French

35:11

patisserie. Yeah. Did

35:14

you know that patisserie is both the bakery and the good?

35:17

Well, it's a Boulangerie then. No idea.

35:21

Is that a... I think it's

35:23

a bakery too. ...bean of iniquity. Oh. I

35:26

think a Boulangerie is also a bakery. Say

35:29

how the Russians live 20 words for cold. It's a

35:31

French of 50 words for

35:34

bakery. Other languages seem...

35:37

I guess it's just a business, isn't it? Anything you don't

35:39

have all the information on, it seems so alluring. You

35:43

know when you visit a city and you think, if I

35:45

lived here, my whole life would be

35:47

perfect. Do you know another language, Ben? I

35:50

speak not very good Japanese. Hmm. But

35:54

I'm very rusty. Do

35:57

You... But Why are you made of tin? I've

36:00

I can get a lot of book

36:02

and blew my spot up. Gotten hooked

36:05

up with a day if I could

36:07

be tango with the be severe was

36:09

shot do you on. Sympathize.

36:12

With that notion that is a real benefits of

36:14

learning just any other language to have an alternative

36:17

way of looking at the world. I think it's.

36:20

Good to do just because What you

36:22

understand language to boehm when you begin

36:24

to sort of understand with languages like

36:26

words don't mean things and nightly they

36:28

are all. Ab constructs

36:30

assembled together and apply ten

36:32

things in reality as opposed

36:34

to. A. Night meaning moon.

36:38

You. Internet and going by. Him

36:40

Ago and Nasa esa he said demagogue

36:43

after. you think any good point but

36:45

flushing, get for a second about myself

36:47

as soon. I'm sorry. I like it

36:49

and have a good match actually. Wasn't.

36:52

A user get been tattooed on the sound

36:54

of your foot. The runway goofy The home

36:56

here hello for a lot at it as

36:58

know like and his toys but is it

37:01

not own myself? yeah you do. You do

37:03

vog and products are gonna go get something.

37:06

In a video on a velocity that

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be like because I didn't get your

37:11

address somewhere as well. All

37:13

right, No, I didn't need to. life. By

37:15

you did. I make an order.

37:17

Athletes are guy and sonos. I'm not a little league.

37:19

Months ago, you do the signal. I

37:22

was remembering as as the an unrelated. But

37:25

ah my the funniest eggs into some sort of

37:27

thing of labels and stuff will find escape from

37:29

the citizens as my with is hidden the oven

37:31

and a singer and on his back this is

37:33

the post that know it's is not a seizure

37:35

of have a. Good

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as well as a rousing my my. My

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something for yeah are young and been

37:55

ah we've brought you a guest have

37:57

a stroke. i was running an

37:59

errand I got down to a shortlist on

38:01

your gift. Okay. And it was between what

38:04

I ended up getting you and jumper cables.

38:06

Okay. Do you drive? No. Well

38:09

I'm so glad I got you a voucher

38:11

for the movies. That's so much better than

38:13

jumper cables. Do you like the

38:15

movie? Me? Yeah. Do you

38:17

like going? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

38:19

The whole thing. What was the last

38:22

flick you reckon you saw? It

38:24

was Godzilla minus one. Oh

38:26

no. The new Godzilla. Yeah. What happened

38:29

to the other one? What's the minus

38:31

one? I think it's because it's set

38:33

in the past. Oh okay. Prequel. So it's like not

38:36

Godzilla one. Not even zero. They're going

38:38

into negative integers. I remember. That's clever.

38:40

Um. When Godzilla vs Kong was

38:42

at the movies, I tried to get so many people to

38:44

come with me and no one would come. Oh. Did you

38:47

watch it? Yeah. Did you like it?

38:49

It was fine. Yeah. It was not exactly what I

38:52

thought and also exactly why people didn't want to

38:54

go. How was Godzilla

38:56

minus one? Godzilla minus one rules. Really? Yeah.

38:58

It's really... depressing

39:00

at parts and really uplifting in parts. Wow.

39:03

It's like very very strong movie.

39:05

Sure. And Godzilla is terrifying in it. It's great.

39:08

It's a waste. Did you see Godzilla vs Kong?

39:10

Yeah. What do you think of that? It was

39:12

fine. I couldn't tell you a thing that happened

39:14

in it. They fight on a boat. Yeah. What

39:17

was the one... Was it the one with Millie Bobby Brown

39:19

in it? Maybe. Yeah. I think it

39:21

was Julian Denison in it? I

39:23

think he is in one. He's the keyweaver. He was

39:25

in Hunt for the Water People. Oh yeah. Yeah

39:28

he is. They supplanted

39:30

his character from... Hunt

39:33

for the Water People when they put him in Godzilla vs

39:35

Kong. It didn't quite work you know? Sure. He's like this

39:37

quippy... You gotta take a swing. You know how quippy they

39:39

make kids now? Mmm. Kids are so

39:41

quippy. Bloody Gen Z. Back

39:46

in my day we were witless morons.

39:48

Hahahaha. And

39:51

our verbiage reflected it. Yeah.

39:54

That voucher... I... What's

39:57

it good for? Well I tried to get 35. It

39:59

felt like... Movie in two

40:01

seconds maybe? Or a

40:04

movie in a meal for one. That's

40:06

true. Maybe a popcorn and

40:08

or a knife. You get prices there.

40:10

No, I didn't get you 30 because

40:13

there are options apparently. It's 30. Okay.

40:17

It's not 30. Oh, well. So that's, I reckon

40:19

you can get a movie. I remember 36,

40:21

you can get a movie and a popcorn

40:23

soda and a chalktop. Really? I reckon. So

40:25

if you throw it. I'm going 18 times

40:27

two. If you go on a Tuesday, you

40:30

might even be able to be there. Yeah.

40:33

And what have you got on on a Tuesday? I got

40:35

my pub quiz. Oh, really? Yeah. Shit. How's that

40:37

going? Do you like hosting that? I do, yeah.

40:39

Yeah, it's good fun. Do you make jokes? No,

40:42

I just, I'm not, they're not there for Ben Magoo. They're

40:44

there for the quiz. Yeah. You know what I mean? Wow.

40:46

Do you think of jokes? Yeah, sometimes. And

40:48

do you not say those? I

40:51

like 50-50. If it's like really

40:53

good, yeah. And do they kill? I've

40:56

killed harder in that pub quiz than I have in any

40:58

comedy gig in my life. And

41:00

that is probably honestly partially down to

41:02

restraint. Yeah. When you do turn it

41:04

on, they still can't believe it. A

41:08

joke from Ben Magoo. This dry

41:10

ass fucking shoeless, witless

41:12

quiz host has been fucking mailing

41:14

it in. This fucking robot fucking

41:17

shows the love. Where

41:19

the fuck did that come from? Well,

41:24

there you go. Follow up to your

41:26

special. Yeah. You surprised your quiz audience

41:28

with a stand up special. That sounds

41:30

so terrible. I think it's so. I

41:32

think it'd be, but you know what guys? It'd

41:35

be pretty different. Follow up to your stand up

41:37

special. It should be you just hosting a quiz.

41:39

No joke. On a medical. Yeah.

41:42

That's a, that'll be, it's my special's

41:44

like half an hour and then two

41:46

hours of me dryly hosting a pub

41:48

quiz. Hell yeah. Asking

41:50

people earnestly how many countries bought

41:53

a cereal. Couldn't

41:55

tell you. Hey, we're over time. It's

41:58

been, I'm pretty sure. I actually. I forgot when

42:00

I first looked at the... I'll tell you

42:02

what, we're overground, right? Ben, it's been

42:04

such a thrill having you here. Yeah, it's been a real

42:06

delight. Thanks Ben. Would you like to

42:09

plug anything? I'm estimating this will come out

42:11

in a

42:13

month and a half from right now. Okay.

42:16

My special might be out by then. Either way,

42:18

follow me on the socials.

42:20

Yeah. I'm the only Ben MacGougan

42:23

in the entire world, so you can't mess me

42:25

if you just look me up. It's

42:27

a lot of pressure. It's a

42:29

lot of pressure. O-U-G-A-N MacGougan.

42:32

Yeah. It's the only Ben MacGougan

42:34

in the world. Yeah, apparently. Don't

42:36

get too... Let's hope you're

42:38

seeing a good example. Just by that. Guy,

42:41

do you want to say anything as we close? Not

42:45

really. It's been so fun having you here, Ben.

42:47

It's been great being here. I mean, we've already

42:49

discussed the tree. Yeah, we really do.

42:51

We must. Gerald, thank you. I

42:54

respect the tree. And

42:58

I like this branch, but it's not... For

43:00

climbing... Can you see Gerald leaning on that

43:02

other tree there? Gerald's bursting through that tree.

43:04

Gerald's finger blasting through that tree. Gerald is

43:07

all... Crew, can we

43:09

get a shot of Gerald finger blasting that

43:11

other tree, please? I think... Thanks,

43:13

Ian. Here it is. Beauty, three. Climbability,

43:17

two. Vibe,

43:22

four. Yeah, I would boost for climbability,

43:24

but otherwise I agree with you. Where

43:27

are you climbing this tree? You can... Okay,

43:30

fine. Two and a half though. You

43:32

could go up there. You can do pretty good climbing

43:34

here. It's got like rungs on this branch. Just a

43:36

little bit of something on it. Better to get up

43:38

quite high. If you were ambitious, I reckon you could

43:40

get into that other tree. No, no, you don't do

43:43

that. What do you make of Gerald? Yeah, these are

43:45

out of five, aren't they? Yeah. If

43:47

you want them to be. Well, yeah, I don't really... I

43:50

don't want to attribute numerical value to Gerald in much in

43:52

the same way that I wouldn't say a

43:54

scientific name. Wow. We're

43:57

all teens in my book. That

43:59

isn't... The number of hit

44:01

the hit her her as a

44:03

concept to cook sweaty ah ha

44:05

ha that our profile or less

44:07

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44:10

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44:12

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