0:03

Saint Lowe, Apple Music. Having

0:06

a baby really put a lot into

0:09

perspective and it's really slowed me

0:11

down a lot. But it's

0:13

like the most beautiful thing. I

0:15

just want to take a second and enjoy

0:18

it. It's not about

0:20

the destination, it's the journey. I

0:22

never really got

0:24

time or really had the

0:26

bandwidth to

0:28

experience the journey to its fullest.

0:31

I guess that's what I'm

0:32

trying to do now. Life

0:34

will do that to you. Your parent will definitely

0:36

do that to you. It puts success and ambition

0:39

in perspective. That's what we're here for,

0:41

some perspective. I get to come to the legendary

0:43

Hanson Studios, hang out with one of my

0:45

favorite artists of the modern age. He's made an album

0:48

that I've certainly been waiting for and I think a lot of us

0:50

have. You can hear it, you can see it.

0:52

The guitar's in his hand, the songs are

0:54

at the forefront, the album's called Austin and well,

0:57

here we are again. A

1:00

guitar in his hand! Ah ah ah! What

1:02

up, dad? How are you? Good to

1:04

see you. Good to see you, Zaniac. I'm not going to

1:06

lie, it looks good on you. Good to see you, Zaniac. It

1:09

looks good on you, man. Thank you, sir. Yeah.

1:12

How often do you pick that thing up when you're not recording? I

1:14

don't know. Loading screens

1:17

in video games. Whenever the game's loading, I'll pick it

1:19

up and put it back down. I

1:22

don't do much anymore, Zane. Do you think that

1:25

it caused you to, look, can I actually hold that for a sec? Do you think it caused,

1:28

well, it's funny, you know, with guitars,

1:29

because I

1:32

really feel like while they're sitting there, it's hard

1:34

for me to not... Sabotage you. To

1:36

not feel like, to not feel like,

1:39

to not feel like there's songs waiting to be written. Don't you

1:41

ever get that sensation sometimes, like, man, if

1:43

I just pick this up, is something going to be there waiting for me? Probably

1:46

so, with reverb, yes. Because

1:49

reverb makes, I wish I could live my life

1:51

in reverb, which would just be the most amazing

1:54

thing. Don't you think it'd be a little cold? No, I don't know.

1:57

I feel like it'd be a little warmer. Depends on...

1:59

Yeah, it depends on Valhalla

2:02

or whatever. Chris Lordange.

2:05

But I don't know. I think if

2:07

I

2:08

have some reverb or like, that's

2:10

what I do. I sit on the can. And

2:13

there's good acoustics in the bathroom for

2:15

the most part.

2:17

And so it's like that natural reverb

2:19

there. You know, when we started the last conversation,

2:21

I picked up on the last song of the last album, which

2:23

was a voice note from January

2:26

the 3rd, 2020. Yes, sir. And you played the hell out of it. When

2:28

I heard this new album, I feel like this latest

2:30

album almost in a weird way could have begun at

2:33

that moment because there's so much beautiful

2:35

acoustic guitar on it. Thank you, sir. And so I went

2:37

to the last song on the album and I was like, how does

2:39

that one go? And it feels

2:41

like an extension almost of

2:43

that moment. You know, laugh it off. Don't

2:45

you think a little bit? Like the way that you

2:47

sort of picked up where you left off? Yes,

2:49

sir. Does it feel that way to you? I'd say so.

2:51

I think, I don't know, it's super really

2:55

nice. Really nice. You

2:58

wrote it, bro. Me, Andrew

3:00

and Lou doing all the... It was so

3:02

fun, I'll tell you, to play guitar

3:05

on like every song. Yeah. And

3:08

like really do cool chords because

3:10

like, I don't know, this song is a bunch of cool

3:13

chords and it has a really good... I'm gonna try and get to one in a second,

3:15

man. This next one's not

3:16

easy. This little C. It's

3:24

cool, huh? I remember I was sitting there,

3:26

I was like, dude, that's fucking cool, man.

3:28

It's a cool song. Thank you for learning that, thank

3:30

you for playing that. Of course. It's really pretty when you

3:32

do it. You know, I think I've been waiting, I don't

3:35

want to speak for anybody else, I've been waiting for a moment like

3:37

this.

3:38

I love the journey you've been on

3:40

to make this record. You know, the albums you've made, the

3:43

hits you've had, successes you've had.

3:45

But this idea of you being able to pick up a guitar

3:47

and sit in a room with a couple of friends and just kind

3:50

of pour your heart and soul out into an instrument like

3:52

that and then build from there, I've been waiting

3:54

for that. Have you been waiting to make it?

3:56

I don't know. necessarily

4:00

if I've been waiting to make it. It's

4:04

always something that's kind of been wanted

4:08

to be made, if that makes sense. Like,

4:11

I don't know, a lot of the times we

4:13

go in and

4:16

we do the music

4:18

and the melody has never really

4:20

been, well, the way that I work, the music

4:23

and the melody has never been written

4:25

at the same time.

4:27

It's usually there's music there and

4:30

then the melody comes after.

4:32

But with that, just

4:35

being able to sit there, like I said, reverb

4:37

cross-legged here over in, I think,

4:39

Studio D. Here. At

4:42

Hanson, yes sir. Amazing. We did just

4:44

about, I don't know, 75% of it here. Wow.

4:48

And then just sit there cross-legged with the cans

4:51

on and so much reverb and then

4:53

you're like, okay, what if we

4:55

go, what is that first chord? Like,

4:57

do it.

4:59

And then to the A, and

5:01

then to the, oh wait, what is

5:03

it? Is it? I don't even remember. You

5:06

want me to show you how to play your own song? I

5:08

think I might have transcribed it badly, bro, but as far

5:10

as I'm thinking, it's

5:11

like, and

5:12

then something down here.

5:15

It's a C sharp. It's a C sharp. At

5:17

least that jogged your memory. Yeah, thank you very much. You got

5:19

it. I appreciate you. Well, yeah, and that's-

5:21

Let me tell you a time, one time, I don't think I'll do it on camera. I'll

5:24

tell you when one time when I tried to tell Paul McCartner how

5:26

to play Blackbeard. Hey, sometimes

5:28

you need it because you just get in a flow. He didn't need it.

5:31

He said to me, Zane, I wrote it. Well,

5:34

actually it's more like this. He just

5:36

wasn't knowing. But yeah, I don't

5:38

know. Like you get to really experiment. Like that

5:40

C, I guess now,

5:42

it's a C sharp. For

5:44

now. For now. And

5:47

I guess I never would have gone

5:50

to that chord

5:51

like making or

5:53

using FL,

5:54

like making a production. You know

5:56

what I mean? And so it's really cool.

5:59

And it was really cool. eye-opening

6:02

experience for me and how I

6:04

could write music and how

6:07

I could make music and it's not just

6:09

one way. It's just like you there's

6:11

so many different ways like you said it's just mm-hmm

6:14

your song is there you just gotta

6:16

find it. Yeah. You know I don't remember who said

6:18

it and someone said this is might be random

6:21

but they said there are no

6:24

bad chords you're just not

6:26

brave enough to try that shit so

6:28

I thought that was pretty cool. It's not I won't

6:30

be lost on anyone that you've gone to your to your real

6:33

name for the album. Again as a writer

6:35

I feel you've been revealing yourself

6:37

one album at a time more and more and

6:40

this is easily the most revealing

6:42

record that you've released. I

6:45

wanted to just start there start with

6:47

because it's courageous to open up your life

6:49

this much and talk about the things

6:51

I think that perhaps you celebrated a lot

6:54

when you're on the up

6:56

material things drugs alcohol

6:59

fame success women all that

7:02

it's like you've come to the end of that cycle that's what the album

7:04

feels like to me. I guess having a

7:07

baby really put a lot into

7:09

perspective and it's really slowed

7:12

me down a lot

7:16

like party-wise you know going out

7:18

and being crazy and but

7:22

it's like the most beautiful thing and I don't know it's

7:24

like I'm trying

7:26

to get some land right now you already know the

7:29

end is nigh so you

7:32

believe that though? I don't know man it's weird. Little

7:34

bit? Yeah I definitely I definitely

7:36

do so like I just want to get my

7:39

stuff and I want to go out and do shows but then

7:41

I just want to you know we got out of LA

7:43

and now we live in Salt Lake Sonoma. And you're trying to get further

7:45

out? Well I guess so yes sir. Interesting

7:48

and that's kind of like

7:49

me like mmm

7:53

I just want to take some time now

7:56

and actually

7:58

you

7:58

mentioned you know

8:00

all the accoutrement

8:04

of success and everything

8:06

that comes with that. You listed on something real. You

8:08

listed the hole on something real. I just wanna kind of take

8:10

a second and enjoy it. I

8:12

just wanna take a minute and be like, you know

8:16

what, it was amazing,

8:18

it is amazing, but I never really got

8:20

to stop and smell the roses. And

8:23

then you get caught up in like, it's not about

8:25

the destination, it's the journey. And

8:27

I never really got

8:29

time or really had like

8:31

the bandwidth to experience

8:34

the journey to its fullest. So I

8:36

guess that's what I'm trying to do now. Well,

8:38

you make it sound like peace, but it's also,

8:41

you know, I know you were kind of throwing it out there,

8:43

but it comes from a place of, from a

8:45

disastrous thought.

8:46

The idea of how do I protect my

8:49

family when all around me

8:51

crumbles. Is that what's motivating it?

8:53

Not fully. I

8:56

love, I love making music.

9:00

I love being at home

9:03

with my family. I love

9:05

a whole lot of things. And it's

9:07

not just about making it to where

9:10

my family's safe if something crazy does

9:12

happen. It's just

9:14

about like, if it does happen, I

9:16

do want them and everybody in my life

9:19

and everybody to be safe and happy.

9:21

But yeah, it's an interesting

9:24

thing. And I was talking to somebody

9:26

actually just about what you, it's like a control thing

9:28

you want to be. And it may be it's just

9:31

natural human nature

9:33

to be like, okay, I want to know exactly what's going

9:35

on. That's why like shit like death

9:37

and like aliens and all that shit scare

9:40

us because we're like, I don't know what that

9:42

is.

9:43

And that like bothered us.

9:45

The alien thing is crazy though. Don't you feel like in the last

9:48

three years, that shit is like

9:51

ramped up. Oh, it's so real.

9:53

It's not even funny. It's like, it's crazy

9:55

too. It's crazy.

9:57

And it's super interesting that now like.

10:00

You look back at like Roswell and they're like, oh, we found

10:03

a weather balloon and all that But even like

10:05

the Battle of Los Angeles, like have you seen the

10:07

pictures? I love I love that. Dude No,

10:09

the oh no, like what it's based

10:11

on not like in I don't know it Maybe it

10:13

was the 40s or 50s.

10:15

There was this object and there's pictures

10:18

of us like Trying to blow

10:20

it up like big spotlights You can see the rounds

10:22

going through the air like shooting at this thing and no

10:25

one like really talks about like that's

10:27

what you Saw the movie but you didn't even know like that's

10:29

like a thing Yeah, it's crazy but like

10:31

even now for them to be like, oh well,

10:34

you know, we didn't really

10:37

We didn't have any we didn't see anything there was

10:39

nothing there But now even the

10:41

pilots and everybody they're like we definitely

10:43

saw some shit. There's definitely something Do you know

10:46

have you seen him in Utah?

10:47

There's a shitload of them. I've been to skinwalker ranch.

10:49

That place is amazing You actually win. Yeah, I

10:51

watched the TV show did made my skin

10:53

crawl. Did you feel it? Dude, it is so

10:55

weird. What did you know? No, the technology works. It's

10:58

really weird. What did you feel over there?

11:00

It was just so interesting. You could definitely feel

11:02

it. They took us all around We

11:04

went to all the homesteads all the the

11:07

towers and just saw like

11:09

stuff from the show. The show's amazing Yeah, but

11:12

if you watch the show you can't be

11:14

like assuming it's real which

11:16

I assume it's real after meeting everybody

11:19

and being there and doing all that you can't

11:21

like Deny you're like something

11:24

is definitely happening here I mean

11:26

it just to deny your curiosity on what

11:28

exists beyond our own Concept is

11:31

is our ability to take in is

11:33

just boring But it just you're such

11:35

an interesting cat because it's clear to me

11:37

that you've suffered throughout your life from a pretty

11:39

acute form of anxiety Sure

11:41

And yet you have this desire to put yourself into

11:44

these places where anxiety would really thrive Sure,

11:46

like the unknown the idea of of

11:49

what's in what's in that ventilation shaft

11:51

Right. Well, yeah, and I don't know that I

11:53

was I was saying before it like

11:56

if you people wanted to know or not

11:59

like people

11:59

I'm sure if you ask somebody

12:02

two questions, if you're like, do you want to know what

12:04

happens after you die? Or do you want

12:06

to know if

12:07

aliens exist? Because it'd

12:09

be like, what happens after you die? I'd be like,

12:12

no, not really. Because

12:14

that's going to happen.

12:16

But the whole alien deal is like, you don't know if the

12:18

aliens are going to come down and vaporize you. What

12:21

if they're like, you're cool? What if they're your cool uncle

12:23

from space? I've never felt that there was, that

12:25

an alien life form

12:27

would take on the form and with the intention

12:29

that the movies have always told us. What's

12:31

the point in coming down? It's

12:34

like shooting fish in a barrel. Maybe they want the

12:36

resources. Yeah, our goal. Dude, you

12:38

have this curiosity for the things in life

12:41

that a lot of people would try to avoid. You

12:43

gave two or three really good examples of that. There's

12:45

a ton of examples on this album as

12:47

well. You have to some

12:49

degree lived a life of excess

12:52

and you worked excessively hard and

12:54

given an excessive amount of great music

12:57

and art to us as fans.

13:00

But you've definitely, for your young

13:02

years, you've put yourself

13:04

through it and you've

13:06

opened up about that stuff on the

13:08

record. I've never asked you outright, but

13:10

do you think that you've

13:14

come to the point where you can acknowledge that alcohol

13:16

is a weakness for you, that it's a problem? Very

13:18

much so.

13:19

It's very frustrating. But

13:24

now, if I do drink and I'm not

13:26

doing a show or recording, I have a very

13:28

hard time expressing

13:34

myself via recording

13:37

if I'm not a little fucked up.

13:40

It's tough, isn't it? It's a good spot now because

13:42

if I'm not recording or I'm not

13:45

talking to people or if I'm not doing shows,

13:48

I really do

13:49

drink just to have fun. It's

13:52

like having a beer with my dad or with my buddy.

13:54

This is the up-depth time we've spoken and I

13:56

always love it and I

13:59

am grateful for it. every time. Yes

14:01

sir. It's better when it's the same. I hope you know

14:03

it's the same. But I would hate to think that, you know,

14:06

being a part of this experience with any of us

14:08

would be, would

14:13

enable that behavior if you didn't want to. Well not

14:15

at all. It's, it has

14:17

nothing to do, I love talking to you. I

14:20

love talking to you and I've, you've

14:22

always been so kind to me. So I

14:24

love talking to you and I feel like every time we talk

14:27

there's always

14:29

something that I can take home and,

14:32

and become better about

14:34

it or think about something and I don't know it's

14:36

you, you're an amazing man and I appreciate you

14:38

having me on. It's funny you know my

14:40

conversation sometimes people are like, ah you know, do you

14:43

have to tell your stories? But I think it's important I share this

14:45

one. Like I,

14:48

you know I was drinking a lot and I was in a bad

14:50

place too and in the end it was a real combination

14:52

of like going and talking

14:54

to somebody and beginning the work and I don't know if you've done

14:56

therapy or you do therapy. But

14:59

also my wife

15:01

was like the deal breaker, like

15:04

her unconditional support and her belief

15:06

in me in the sense of like, come

15:08

on,

15:10

get together. Does that sound familiar

15:12

to you? Yeah I mean it definitely does,

15:15

it definitely does and it's just, it's

15:17

to the point to where you're like yeah you know it, I'll do

15:19

it. But then you get in front of people and then you're like oh my god.

15:22

Blah blah blah blah. Yeah yeah. I don't know,

15:24

I have a hard time communicating with people and

15:26

that's, I don't know it's a really, especially

15:28

now. I was saying before whenever I was a kid

15:30

I, you know I would run around

15:33

and I'd be like hey you know I didn't really

15:35

care. Now I don't know why. It's

15:37

just a really interesting thing. It's a crazy life

15:40

you have.

15:41

I mean we don't ever talk about the trauma that comes

15:43

with pursuing a passion

15:45

and then quickly becoming recognizable and

15:47

having to justify your identity and your

15:50

reason for making art in front of

15:52

a lot of people. I don't think we talk

15:54

about that enough. I think we like

15:56

sort of fold that into the idea of

15:59

your dreams coming true. True. Sure.

16:02

Don't complain. Sure. But that's all I

16:04

do is bitch though. I know my songs. But

16:07

I guess it's your outlet. Sure. What's

16:10

so unique about this album is that I don't feel like there's

16:12

a lot of complaining going on. I feel like

16:14

there's a lot of self-awareness and self-reflection. I'm starting

16:16

with a song like Don't Understand. You

16:19

talk about self-confidence. I mean, that one is, I

16:21

mean, you were pouring your heart and soul out into that song

16:23

about the idea of somebody loving you can

16:25

find a million reasons to love you and you

16:27

can't think of one. It's a heartbreaking

16:29

lyric.

16:29

Right. Where were you when you wrote that? Here.

16:32

Do you remember? Here. What

16:35

was going on? I don't know. I don't remember,

16:38

but I remember Andrew, because Andrew came in with

16:40

the riff.

16:44

He's so good. He

16:47

had like, so it was

16:49

like this thing. It was that little riff. And

16:52

then he went to something else, but I was just like, what if we

16:54

let that. Yeah.

16:58

Yeah. Yeah. Just let

17:00

that ring out there.

17:04

Just let it go so you can really fill in

17:06

that space almost like stop verse, you know,

17:08

stop lyric.

17:12

I don't know, but that was a cool song. I think

17:14

that was the first one that

17:16

we did. I think that was the first one that we did

17:18

in D. Who were you listening to

17:20

when you were a kid that you can hear on this record? You

17:23

perhaps haven't acknowledged

17:25

before, even through your subconscious filter of being a

17:27

fan.

17:28

I never really talk about, I was playing before,

17:30

I really never talk about Radiohead and how fucking

17:33

badass they are. Never,

17:37

well, I talked about Stevie, but I

17:39

love Fleetwood Mac. I

17:42

don't know. The Radiohead thing is interesting though,

17:44

man, because hearing you play high

17:47

and dry before, I was thinking about that song, you kill

17:49

yourself to get attention. That lyric is so powerful

17:52

because it talks about the disconnection

17:55

between what's good for you versus what's good

17:57

for everybody else.

17:59

Now imagine that

18:02

song because that's like Literally,

18:04

tick-tock. I watched a guy pour bleach on his

18:06

face He was like, you know what? We

18:09

got 4,000 people watching. I'm gonna

18:11

do it right now and I'm like, why are you? You

18:13

kill yourself for recognition that I mean make

18:16

a sandwich It's crazy going to

18:18

get that sandwich to someone who needs it. There's

18:20

something man. That's something Only

18:22

the bleach is gonna do it He's

18:25

like and I'm gonna hold my eyes open like this

18:27

and I was like, wow, okay And

18:30

I was like, you know what? He did it

18:35

But the dudes with the bleach always existed it

18:37

just didn't have a phone in there There's no platform.

18:39

I grew up with a few dudes with bleach. You know,

18:41

I mean who did that? I definitely I'll do it see

18:45

and Now if it was just you

18:47

and your buddy at the house and you're hanging

18:49

out with like six people at a kickback He's

18:51

like, okay, if everyone watches I'm

18:54

gonna do it. That's six people but now he's like,

18:56

okay 4,000. All right, let's go No,

18:59

do it yeah imagine what that bleach guy would

19:01

do for 4,000 people Jesus. I

19:03

don't really

19:04

want it. Exactly It's I don't know. It's crazy.

19:06

It's also a place where fans I think air Their

19:09

thoughts and again, they can be

19:12

destructive and mean that's always existed.

19:14

They can be concerned There was a time there

19:16

when you were on the road. I think people were genuinely

19:18

concerned for your health. Did they get to you? Yes,

19:21

I mean

19:22

first off

19:23

I shouldn't have to really justify anything

19:26

to

19:26

to anyone But

19:30

I Appreciate the concerns that people

19:32

but then it just goes like

19:34

it goes from like hey like I hope he's

19:36

fine But then the rumor starts that

19:38

I'm doing hard drugs, which I've never

19:41

done in my entire life, right? So it's

19:43

like oh

19:44

Never this is what no never well, this

19:46

is what crack looks like kids. Yeah, you know

19:48

what I mean? Like

19:49

whenever I was I was a kid like

19:52

the pharmaceuticals But I

19:54

haven't touched that stuff in Years

19:57

and years and years. I had it like one

19:59

big scare when I was a kid and I was just

20:01

like, you know what? I- Near death?

20:03

It's not worth it. Like, bad? I felt

20:06

like it. I didn't go to the hospital or anything, but

20:08

I never want to feel like that ever, ever

20:10

again. So I never,

20:12

especially as a kid, you know, drinking lean and,

20:16

you know, Xanax and all that shit. And

20:18

like, that's,

20:20

I mean,

20:22

that was a thing. And for me,

20:24

it's not. And so- It's left a lasting

20:27

impression though, because there were definitely touch tones on this

20:29

album that refer to it. You use them as metaphors

20:31

in quite an interesting way, chemical. I know

20:33

the chemical reactions can come from lots of different things,

20:36

not just through drugs and whatnot. The idea

20:38

of being in an attractive relationship

20:40

with someone and I feel like a chemical reaction, I get that. But

20:43

you know, Nova Candy and even like things like,

20:45

you know, my friends, they all

20:47

take vitamins. Now they could be healthy vitamins, but

20:49

you could also be something else. I'm a shrooms. That's

20:52

what I was. Yeah,

20:52

right. And there's another interesting

20:55

thing where you talk about violence after that. I just wanted a little

20:57

bit about what your thoughts were on that lyrical idea, because

20:59

we talked a little bit about hallucinogenic effects. You made

21:01

your last album or wrote a majority of your

21:04

last album during a mushroom trend. Yes, sir.

21:06

Are you still using-

21:08

Yeah, I take shrooms. I like shrooms. I

21:10

like shrooms not as much as I used to. It's

21:12

really affected my short-term

21:14

memory. It's interesting. Is this supposed to promote-

21:17

Right, which is, but ever since

21:19

like,

21:20

because I used to, maybe it was just a stint

21:23

of habitual

21:26

overuse, like daily. But

21:29

now I take a little

21:32

bar of chocolate with my buddies, a little square

21:34

chocolate, and just laugh and laugh and laugh.

21:36

At some point, if I would like to, as I

21:39

get older, try to

21:41

see if it can promote that

21:43

active growth. Do you know what I mean? Yes, sir.

21:46

And I think, I was talking to a

21:48

ranger buddy of mine. He was a ranger, and

21:51

he was saying they're giving it to guys for like

21:54

PTSD and stuff. And I was like,

21:56

oh, that's cool, because a lot of the times,

21:58

a

21:59

lot of- a lot

22:01

of like pharmaceuticals,

22:05

they have like negative

22:07

reactions often. And

22:10

it's cool to see that they're

22:12

giving them this, you

22:15

know, this medicine and it's actually like

22:17

working. He was saying his body was like, you

22:20

know,

22:22

going through it and

22:23

it really helped him a lot. I don't know, it's interesting

22:26

because it's improved, it has improved

22:29

my

22:30

view on things, you know. Making

22:33

the last record, I was so, so, so,

22:38

well writing it, I was so, so sad, you

22:40

know, but now I'm

22:42

so happy and it's definitely

22:45

improved my

22:48

viewpoint on life.

22:51

Yeah, I mean, but I feel like that

22:53

all makes total sense and you seem like in the best place

22:55

you've ever been in, and I just

22:57

wonder whether the songs like Land

22:59

Mine and Enough is Enough and these

23:01

really very open, honest reflections

23:05

when alcohol turns on

23:07

you. Yes, sir. And because if we drink

23:09

it enough, it's gonna turn on us. Exactly.

23:12

And the next thing you know, to your point, and I'm just quoting

23:14

lyrics here badly, you know, you

23:16

find yourself sitting on a sidewalk and sensitively

23:18

talking to people who aren't there.

23:20

Sure, yeah, I mean, that's definitely

23:22

happened. And it's not, writing

23:26

that song was not about

23:29

current experiences. It's not

23:32

like I can't go to Vegas. Without

23:35

doing, yeah, their time has come and gone. Well, without

23:37

losing a shitload of money. So that's

23:40

the problem there. Like every time I go, I'm like,

23:42

oh, I'm never going. Oh, I fucking can't. But then

23:44

you start over and you're like, you know what?

23:46

I'm gonna rob this place tonight. And

23:50

then you smoke your cigar, and then you go in

23:52

hot shit, and you walk away.

23:55

Post it on table seven. Post it on table

23:57

seven. And then you're like, you know what? Keep

23:59

it coming.

23:59

If I get 200 more, I get another drink.

24:03

Thank you very much. Thank you very much. How

24:05

much is it? Oh, it's free? Oh,

24:07

okay, amazing. Yeah, but

24:10

it's just about past experiences

24:12

and... So why write it? If you're

24:14

through it and you've got this life now with your partner,

24:17

I don't know if you're married yet or

24:19

not, but your partner and your daughter

24:21

and things are moving in the right direction, you seem really happy. Is

24:24

this sort of a... Is this a reminder? Is

24:26

it a way to just kind of document that time and say,

24:28

okay,

24:29

I don't want to forget that

24:32

I was there at one point in my life? Well, it's

24:34

cathartic. It's super cathartic

24:38

to be able to tell

24:39

your story and then reach

24:43

out to people who maybe

24:46

have gone or are going through it and at

24:48

least

24:49

bring joy

24:51

through music. Like you said, it's like,

24:53

oh, that's why music is here. So if we

24:56

get in a fight on the street, I'm

24:58

like, you know what? I'm

25:00

having a great day. Just little supplements

25:03

of joy. It's so cool to

25:05

live

25:06

watching people and

25:09

singing these songs with the people in

25:11

the crowd. And it's just

25:14

like all the shit of the outside

25:16

just goes away and it's just a dome

25:18

of joy and

25:22

just like being excited to

25:26

celebrate life. I don't know. It's

25:28

pretty cool. Dude, you blow me away, man, as

25:30

a person. Every time I talk to you, I'm

25:32

always struck by how generous you are

25:35

with your energy and how

25:39

so much of your journey in the public eye

25:41

has been trying to reassert

25:44

through your talent why you belong

25:46

whilst other people search for reasons why

25:49

you don't. And yet you still show

25:51

up

25:52

and give people your time

25:54

and you still give people a generous

25:58

experience. Life's

26:01

too short to be a dickhead. I mean... I

26:03

think that's the Bible version. I don't think anyone saw it,

26:05

right? There was this kid who was just shooting a shot. And

26:08

he decided that amongst of like... There's 50 or 100 people

26:10

standing around in post-de-signing

26:13

autographs and being generous

26:16

and compassionate with people. And this

26:19

kid just shoots his shot. He's just like, You

26:21

suck! He's being that guy. Oh, no. That was

26:23

when he was like, Tell my friend he has no Riz. And

26:25

I didn't know what Riz was. And I didn't want to say anything

26:27

bad. Yeah. I was like, What's Riz?

26:30

He goes, You're a bitch. I know exactly what you're talking about. He

26:32

was shooting his shot. Because it drives me nuts every day. He was

26:34

shooting his fucking shot, right? We all know this

26:36

kid, right? We both had that friend who's like, I'm going to be the

26:38

one guy who's

26:40

going to just like say that shit and you all be a legend. And

26:43

you reaction was like,

26:45

You just were so brilliant. You were

26:47

like, That's not very nice. And

26:50

this kid was like, I'm 12 years old. I gave you your

26:52

bitch. I gave you no way. What does it

26:54

mean? You're a bitch and you have no Riz. But dude, you're in

26:57

a very

26:57

ego-driven world. There could

26:59

have been some people who, and this is bad advice, would have

27:01

just launched across this kid and tried to teach him

27:03

a lesson, right? He was a big 12 year old.

27:07

He definitely powered forward for

27:09

the basketball team. I just love

27:11

the fact that you know, you really, it

27:13

was like, that's when

27:14

I was like, Oh, Posty's a parent now. Sure. Yeah, man. I

27:17

can't go around beating up people.

27:22

But I don't know. Yeah. That

27:25

was before I was like, I don't know what Riz was. And

27:28

people try to give me say all kinds of crazy

27:30

shit. And I'm like, I don't know what it is. He's like, you're a bitch.

27:33

I was at the arc-teric store. I

27:35

just wanted a jacket. I just wanted

27:38

to get a jacket and a face. He can't even go to

27:40

the arc-teric store without being called a bitch. You're a good

27:42

dude, man. And I think the world

27:45

is waking up to that now. And I think albums like this, which

27:47

counterpoint to this generosity that

27:50

you give people, which I'm also this

27:52

very human

27:52

person who's going through shit. Sure.

27:57

Holding my breath. Holding my breath. Hold

27:59

my breath. I

28:01

think it's actually my favorite song on the record right now. Thank

28:03

you very much. That lyric about

28:06

you're holding something essential

28:08

to me.

28:10

It made me feel like you were talking to

28:12

your partner about your child. That's how it made me feel like

28:15

it was something like it's

28:18

the most open, it's one of the most open songs

28:21

about a relationship and the need for a

28:23

very complex need for being

28:25

in a relationship. Yes, sir.

28:27

Can you just talk a little bit about that song from your perspective?

28:30

Sure.

28:32

Writing that, I did

28:34

the riff and please don't ask me

28:36

to play it because I need to brush up. It

28:39

was something. I

28:42

don't even remember. But then it's like

28:44

the ...

28:46

Yeah, it's like a waltz. Yeah, it's

28:48

like a ballad to the ballad. The

28:56

ballads of old. But I don't know, it was cool.

29:00

I had that little lick at the beginning

29:02

and we all sat down and we're

29:04

trying to figure out

29:06

how that's going to fit into

29:09

a chord progression or anything

29:11

like that. We

29:14

gave up to go work on something else. Whenever

29:17

Lou or Andrew goes in there to do

29:19

production and mixing stuff,

29:22

I'm just like, hey, can you guys just leave

29:24

the mic on with the reverb

29:26

and shit?

29:28

I decided I wanted it to be open time.

29:32

There's no click and especially in the beginning,

29:34

it's also very much of that

29:36

lick and

29:39

then ... It comes

29:43

in randomly and then during the verse it stops.

29:46

Yeah, it tumbles. There's

29:48

no metronome on that song. For

29:50

Louis, that was a fucking nightmare.

29:53

But I was like, this is the way we got it. Hey, how'd

29:55

they used to do it? But then not

29:57

only that, you got to freak the ...

29:59

By the way, not being disrespectful to Lewis, he was a genius.

30:02

He was really hot working in the modern age. No,

30:04

but that's for Lou, because Lou's

30:06

very meticulous

30:08

about every detail of the

30:11

song. So now I was like, Lou, there's

30:13

gonna be no click. I'm gonna play

30:15

it however the hell I want. And

30:17

then please deal with me

30:19

and work around that. But

30:22

yeah, writing that, and I don't

30:24

know, in that session where I was just sitting

30:26

there and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna do open time.

30:30

I just about wrote the whole thing. And

30:32

I don't know, it was very,

30:35

like you

30:37

said, you know, it's a conduit and

30:39

it just goes and went. And

30:41

the lyrics just felt super right.

30:44

And whenever I sang it, it

30:46

was like,

30:48

you're holding onto something

30:50

special to me. It's essential to me. And

30:53

that could, like the way you interpreted it was

30:55

about the baby. But I was just talking about my heart.

30:58

But you can interpret it anyway. You

31:00

could say she's got the keys to your car or something. Or the keys to your

31:02

heart. Yeah, exactly, or anything,

31:04

you know. And

31:06

that's what's cool about a song like that is it

31:08

could really be about however

31:11

you want it to be. And that's the joy of

31:13

music, you know. You know,

31:15

I acknowledge and respect

31:17

the privacy that you've really carefully built

31:20

around this family that you're building.

31:24

I think it's amazing. And I think everybody

31:26

deserves that right to do that. Sure.

31:29

So the only question I want to ask you in relation to the dynamic

31:31

that you're building for your future is

31:34

this idea of laying down roots,

31:36

of building something. Because

31:38

marriage and family is like, day

31:42

one is like

31:43

beautiful. But it's about day 100,000.

31:47

You know, it's like,

31:50

it's like, it is a journey all the way

31:52

to the end. Yes, sir. And it's

31:54

only really, it's only true value

31:56

is acknowledged at the end of time.

31:58

And it could be the end of. that relationship

32:00

or the end of the whole thing? Or just when the aliens

32:02

come. Or when the aliens come. Sure. But

32:05

the point being is it requires an enormous amount of work,

32:07

right? It

32:09

doesn't serve the same purpose as something

32:11

vacuous or quick or lustful or

32:14

this or that. Sure. And it requires a lot

32:16

of self-work.

32:18

How is that transition

32:21

from Post Malone, the rock

32:23

star, literally, to Post Malone,

32:26

the family man being? How

32:28

is it for you? Is it a roller

32:30

coaster? Are you, how are you finding it? I

32:33

really

32:34

love hanging

32:37

out with my baby, hanging out with the lady,

32:40

playing video games, and in

32:42

my garage working on projects. Like that's

32:45

like what I love

32:47

to do. And

32:49

so it hasn't been that hard, but there's

32:52

times to where you have

32:54

that it's that one drink that sets

32:57

you over. So you're like, you know what? I'm going to rage for

32:59

like two days. But the difference

33:01

is I don't rage

33:03

like in social settings.

33:05

It's usually me and a buddy.

33:09

And we just stay up super

33:11

late until the sunrise. And we're just drinking

33:13

and sitting out on the car and just hanging

33:16

out, listening to music. We're removing the social

33:18

aspect. Removing the social aspect of

33:20

it. And it's not like,

33:22

it's not full rage, but it's just like, and

33:25

I think at those moments, I'm like, you know what? I

33:27

used to go nuts. And

33:32

this is like significantly better.

33:36

You know, I'm not running around town and

33:38

I'm not like, there used to be a time, especially

33:40

at the beginning of our relationship, that

33:43

I would just like disappear.

33:45

Yeah. And just go for

33:47

a week. And like, I was like, oh man,

33:49

that so shitty. I'm such

33:51

a turd. So

33:55

now I don't, it's, it's been surprisingly

33:57

easy because this.

34:00

This is the stuff that I've always

34:02

wanted to do. I'm a homebody. I

34:04

never wanna leave my house. I never wanna

34:06

leave the property. And I just

34:08

wanna play games and watch TV and hang with the family.

34:11

So it's been super easy. There's

34:13

those nights that really go like,

34:15

you

34:17

know what, I'm gonna party tonight. But

34:19

I don't leave the house. Yeah, but to your

34:21

point, it's within the framework of having

34:23

something more precious than that to go back to. Exactly.

34:26

And I think the other way is to leave

34:29

the house and maybe not even come

34:31

back. Yeah, and then I

34:34

misspoke earlier when I said

34:36

rage for two days. It'll

34:39

just be from 9 to 9 a.m. Who

34:44

am I to judge? I've done one of those with you. It

34:48

was the last time I did one. And it may be the

34:51

last time I do one. The last one. You may

34:53

have broken that for me. My

34:55

whole thing was like, if your dad can keep up, then

34:58

I can't keep up. And then I realized that your

35:00

dad is gonna keep up beyond all of us. My

35:02

dad'll just be like, oh, you guys, come

35:04

on, man. Come on.

35:05

Your dad's got a number on my phone.

35:07

Yes, sir. How is he feeling about

35:10

the man that you're becoming? It's an honest question

35:12

because we spoke openly about that off the record.

35:15

In France, I'll never repeat any of the conversations we

35:17

had, but we talked about your growth at the time.

35:19

You weren't even at the table. We were just chopping it up. And

35:21

he felt comfortable to talk to me. It was beautiful hearing

35:24

from father to father and how he felt about

35:26

you.

35:27

And even some of the challenges I had that he sort of hedged

35:29

back and was one eye on you from a

35:31

distance was the vibe I always got. I always felt

35:34

that way. Yeah, very much so. He's always been

35:36

amazing.

35:38

He's doing great. He's a little

35:40

more crotchety. He's

35:42

getting old, love you, dad. But

35:46

he's always been such a big

35:48

inspiration and

35:51

support beam, I don't know, support

35:53

lifeline.

35:54

I don't know. Something

35:56

that supports something.

35:58

An I-beam or like a truck. or something,

36:00

I don't know. Keep going. No, anything.

36:04

But he's always been there

36:06

to have my back, so.

36:07

Is he your sort of full bat when

36:09

you need to talk to somebody when you need some perspective? Yeah,

36:14

more or less, more or less. I

36:17

think he's, the hard

36:19

part for me is like,

36:21

I don't really, I have a hard

36:24

time talking to people about shit and that's why

36:26

music is so cathartic and so special

36:29

is because I don't really talk to him. But he's always like, hey,

36:31

if you need to talk to me, I'm right here and

36:33

that's always been the most amazing thing. And

36:36

even when I was up in my room as a kid

36:38

with my headphones in and

36:40

just like, you know how

36:42

weird it is or awkward

36:45

it is to, maybe not awkward,

36:47

annoying for your parents to hear like an 11

36:50

year old kid just try to be James Hatfield

36:52

in his room with his headphones in so he can't

36:55

hear shit and he doesn't know how loud he is. And

36:57

he was always like, you know what? Yeah, that's all

36:59

right. Where's

37:01

the art workshop?

37:03

That's Andrew's house. That's Andrew's house. Yes

37:05

sir. Yeah, why did you choose such a candid photo like that? What

37:07

did you like about it? I thought I'd agree with Keith.

37:10

That's okay, you look cute. No,

37:16

Andrew's house is really cool. It's like a very, I think,

37:20

someone in relation to Charlie Chaplin

37:24

was there, it might've been like an old screening

37:26

room where they would invite people and so there's

37:28

like a basement.

37:29

Studios downstairs and

37:31

then you go out back and there's this big pool

37:34

and a nice big yard. And

37:36

I remember we worked all night and

37:39

it was like 11 a.m. when we

37:41

stopped. And

37:44

everybody had left and I wanted to stay and keep

37:46

like writing and jamming some

37:48

stuff. And so we go upstairs

37:51

and I'm like, it is hot and bright

37:52

and

37:54

it is time for me to

37:57

retire for the morning. And

38:02

one of Andy's studio

38:06

manager guys, he came

38:09

up and we were just hanging and had

38:11

some brews and I was

38:13

like, you know what? I'm going to get a nipple. And

38:16

then we said, let's take a picture. That's what we

38:18

did. That's awesome. He snapped it and he got

38:20

a moment. It's one of those moments of

38:23

like he's saying that tiny little space in

38:25

between awake

38:27

and needing to switch off. Oh,

38:29

yes, sir. I want to talk about one

38:32

of the best songs I think you've ever written, which is Green

38:34

Thumb. Thank you. That's very sweet.

38:38

Do you agree? Do you are you proud of that? I really

38:40

like it. I really like it. And

38:42

the story is heartbreaking and incredible. The idea

38:44

of talking about somebody moving on and

38:46

leaving behind a garden that ultimately represents

38:49

the death of a memory or a time that you knew

38:52

and then like

38:53

fast forwarding to the end of your time is

38:56

great writing. Thank you, sir. Thank you very

38:58

much. Yeah, I think it's the only

39:01

like breakup song where you

39:03

talk to plants. So

39:06

it's novel. Sure. A

39:10

lot of roses. There's a lot about

39:13

roses. Where does your green garden

39:15

grow? Isn't that one? I'm sure I don't know. I'm not sure. I'm

39:17

not sure. The only one

39:19

I know. Okay. The best one. Thank you very much.

39:22

The newest and the best. Thank you very much. No,

39:24

but they're not actually talking to plants. No,

39:26

maybe not talking to plants. Okay. See,

39:28

that's what I love. That idea of what is

39:30

the plant say in the first verse before?

39:35

Oh, he was dying. Yeah.

39:38

And then he said, she's not coming. She's

39:41

not coming home. Yeah. And then that's what

39:43

the nurse says to you at the end of your life.

39:45

Because you died. Yeah. I

39:47

haven't done that yet. Beautifully depressing. Thank you

39:49

very much. Which a lot of great songs

39:51

are. I don't want to let it go

39:54

just yet, just because I do think it's a high point of

39:56

view as a writer. What was going on when you wrote that? Like,

39:58

what was the environment like again? Is that just your.

39:59

subconscious at play. It's an interesting concept.

40:02

Same thing. I remember,

40:05

like, sitting, because me and Andrew

40:07

wrote the chords, so.

40:12

It's hard. It is.

40:22

Then we go to the A. I was like, fuck it, let's make

40:25

it weird. I was gonna say, yeah, that's a great

40:27

change though. It's

40:35

almost a classic California

40:38

arrangement. It's very,

40:40

I don't know, a lot of plants. Flowers

40:44

are plants. There you go. Exactly. So

40:47

that's...

40:55

I don't know. A

40:58

lot of this stuff, chord-wise at least,

41:00

it's a Super Beatles walk down

41:02

that A to the A7 to the A, whatever

41:06

this is. And then there's a wow, wow, wow, wow,

41:09

which is quite zippany. Yeah, I don't know. It

41:11

was a lot of fun to make.

41:13

And yeah, we just kind of

41:15

sat, and he came with that little doo,

41:17

doo, doo. And

41:20

then I was like, okay, we'll go to C, then we'll

41:22

go to D. And then the

41:24

verse completely changed. I was like, that A is

41:26

so sick. That's what I was talking

41:28

about chords earlier. I was like, I wanna do...

41:31

If you're sitting there writing the melody

41:33

to the song and writing the music

41:35

to the song, you can go to a different

41:38

place and be like, ehh,

41:40

and be like, oh, okay, that's trippy. No,

41:42

but you can. That's what's cool about this album is that you've

41:44

brought the chords and the arrangements together

41:46

on this, that

41:47

it's uniquely you. There

41:50

are just changes that you make, chord changes and progressions

41:52

that others, I don't think would do. I wonder

41:54

how it's gonna relate to

41:56

dancing posty and rock style

41:58

posty. And

42:00

there's so many versions of you now.

42:03

And this album to me is like

42:05

a very, I mean, are you

42:07

gonna play it with a band? How are you gonna do this? Yeah,

42:09

so we're taking a band on tour. First time? Yeah.

42:13

Wow. First time.

42:14

I think every record is super self-contained.

42:18

You get a little bit of everything, some more than others,

42:20

but you get a little bit of everything.

42:23

It's gonna be so much fun. This is my first time

42:26

with a band. So

42:27

being able to experiment

42:31

with them and see

42:33

what new arrangements we

42:35

can do with the music and cool transitions.

42:38

We have a string section. And we

42:40

were talking about doing like Zach and Cody.

42:43

You remember that song from Beer Bong's? Doing

42:46

zoot-de-de-de, which would be fucking sick,

42:49

but I don't know. And with big BVs, because I mean, something

42:51

real needs the big BVs. The

42:53

background, that's

42:56

a tougher deal.

42:58

Yeah. Because

43:01

they say I'm a little too ambitious. Isn't

43:04

that what success is? Well, that's what I say. Well,

43:06

that's what I say. I don't want to get into Dre's business,

43:08

but isn't that what success is supposed to allow you to be

43:10

ambitious? It's walk hard

43:13

and he's like, I need a fucking

43:15

art 50,000 didgeridoos. And

43:17

that's what I sound like. I mean, I've been a hard player. I was

43:20

here before, exceptionally good singers. Well,

43:22

no, I was not asking

43:24

for Vore. I was asking for an entire choir.

43:27

You know what I mean? And they're like, well, logistically.

43:29

And I'm like, why you guys got a shit on me, man? 50,000 didgeridoos.

43:33

Make it sound like velvet pancakes. That's

43:36

the best movie of all time. I mean, yeah, it's a good film. But

43:39

you've made an album that to me is like, it needs

43:41

to be brought to life in the most grandiose way possible.

43:44

Have you ever watched, I

43:46

think it was back, did

43:49

a David

43:52

Bowie cover in the round with

43:54

like 500 musicians. It

43:57

was like so don't quote

43:59

me on the number.

43:59

but it was so sick.

44:01

Like he was standing in the middle

44:04

and there was so many musicians and

44:06

like redundancy and just stacking

44:08

and like real like old school

44:11

style. You have the like a dome place

44:13

and people just playing at the same time, making it

44:15

louder. And

44:17

we're planning to do a play through not

44:20

as cool as that, not anywhere near

44:22

as good as that but something similar

44:25

to that. So I'm excited to bring that

44:28

vision. He's

44:30

a great reference to you as well because I think about

44:33

the multiple Bix and he's the guy who would

44:35

come out there and do Odele and

44:37

do the robot and then put an acoustic guitar

44:39

on and sing Nobody's False. Well,

44:41

and that's, I don't know. One

44:44

show. There's no need to really

44:47

contain yourself to anything. You make

44:49

what feels right

44:51

in the moment. And if you wanna dance,

44:53

you wanna dance. If you wanna play a guitar, you wanna

44:56

play a guitar. I don't know. And

44:58

that's what's cool. I

44:59

think you can go to a posty show and I sound like balls

45:02

or whatever, but at least it's entertaining.

45:05

At least it's something to watch. You never

45:07

sound bad. That's what I can say about my

45:09

shows. It's something to watch. You never sound bad. That's

45:11

one thing that no one can deny and even your detractors in the past

45:13

that perhaps weren't quite sure who you were what you were trying

45:16

to achieve with your life. So they kept a comment on

45:18

it. No one can fuck with your vocals,

45:20

bro.

45:21

Thank you, sir. Who was it that told me? I

45:23

don't wanna say. I don't wanna say, because

45:26

it'll really compromise them. But somebody

45:28

said to me, who's worked with a few people,

45:31

who's the best singer you worked with? And they said you.

45:34

Well, that's very sweet. In terms of like just on

45:36

it every time. Really? Was

45:39

it Lou? No. Try again. Got

45:41

one more shot. It's

45:43

the other guy. What do you mean the other

45:45

one? What's the other Lou? Oh, Andrew?

45:48

Yeah. Oh, okay. What the hell?

45:50

Okay, yeah. That's so sweet. That's so

45:53

sweet. Mr. Black. Dr.

45:56

Wah. Exactly. Dude,

45:58

I don't know. It was so much fun.

45:59

That's very sweet of him to say. And it's

46:02

just, I need,

46:03

it's auto-tune. I'm a professional

46:05

auto-tune manipulator, which is fine.

46:08

You use it well. Which is fine, thank you very much.

46:10

I don't hear a huge amount of it on this record though, so it must be very

46:12

subtle. Yeah, it's a, well, melodine

46:15

is godlike as well. So. How's

46:18

business, how's everything else going? Great,

46:20

everything is- Still got your wine?

46:22

Yes sir. Going well? Yes sir, going

46:24

well. Is that something that you kind of, that you feel at this point

46:27

that you've got enough on your plate? Because

46:29

I know that you only choose to collaborate with businesses

46:31

and things that you're passionate about. I know you wear Crocs. Yes

46:34

sir. So, you know, what's

46:36

your sort of attitude on that going forward? Because when you're successful,

46:39

people can put everything on the table for you. But I mean, you've

46:41

got to leave enough time, especially now as your parent and as

46:43

an artist to focus on the music. Well,

46:45

yeah, that's a hard

46:47

thing too, is not only being

46:49

a parent,

46:52

being a musician, a touring musician

46:55

especially,

46:58

and doing brand

47:00

deals and doing the wine and

47:03

doing all that stuff and doing like

47:06

photo shoots and stuff like that.

47:10

It's

47:11

tough, I'm getting a real kick in the

47:13

ass.

47:15

Because I always, I wake up

47:18

every day with the baby and hang out with

47:20

her, because her mom and her, they wake up really

47:22

early. Yeah, they'll do that. Yeah. And

47:25

so, I'll come in after work.

47:27

Sleep is not an option for a while, bro. I'll come in working all night,

47:30

from working all night, and then they'll come and wake me up,

47:32

we'll play for like 30 minutes, and then I'll go back to bed.

47:35

Then I wake up and I'm like, oh, that was too short.

47:37

I felt like, you can't go back

47:39

to sleep.

47:40

You cannot go back to sleep. That's the worst

47:42

idea. But I do it every time. Yeah.

47:45

I don't know, it's just, the schedule keeps getting,

47:48

I find the more that,

47:53

you know, the world kind of opens back up and everybody's

47:55

going on tour and everybody's doing stuff, which

47:58

makes a lot of sense. sense

48:00

but the schedule just

48:02

keeps getting fuller and now that I'm a dad the

48:05

schedule only got more full and

48:07

now that

48:09

you know releasing new music schedule gets fuller

48:11

and fuller and fuller but the one thing that's constant

48:14

is the amount of time in a day

48:16

and

48:17

then the amount of time before we

48:19

go on tour again or the amount of time before

48:21

you know and then it makes you differently now

48:24

very much so I'm definitely

48:27

more tired which

48:30

I was always tired before but

48:34

now I'm more tired but

48:36

it's true when you become a parent you didn't even think it was possible

48:39

to get more tired but you're

48:41

like no shit there is more in the tiredness

48:43

bank than you thought was actually possible

48:47

as we're sort of coming to the end of this this chat man

48:49

I

48:50

wanted to talk about a little bit about what

48:52

the future feels like because it's

48:55

always felt a little bit premature to do so because

48:58

you've been building sir you know stony

49:00

beer bongs you know everything's been

49:02

building up to these these great

49:05

moments and being in the moment's important

49:07

but obviously now like I said you know you

49:09

you're searching for a big plot of land to be able

49:11

to ultimately

49:14

disappear to enjoy the fruits enjoy

49:16

the fruits to do that you're gonna

49:19

have to take some control of that schedule right yes

49:21

sir I have to put

49:24

a baby through college

49:28

so please come to my concerts please

49:31

purchase my record enough money at

49:34

this point for college she's going

49:36

to space college that's very different

49:39

yeah that's very expensive but

49:43

not far off the mark probably but here's the whole

49:45

deal I don't know do

49:47

you worry about the future do you think about it at all

49:50

clearly if you're buying big plots of land yes sir

49:52

yes sir yeah and in different aspects

49:54

I think about like I want her to be able people

49:58

ask what like success is and

49:59

success is being able to

50:02

do what you

50:04

want to do and not have

50:06

to worry about not being

50:08

able to. Does that make sense?

50:10

Yeah. If my baby wants to be an artist, right,

50:13

I

50:14

don't want her to be scared to be,

50:16

I always bust your balls about it because

50:19

there's a tradition to where,

50:23

it's

50:24

a Korean tradition where

50:26

she goes, you put a bunch of stuff in front

50:28

of her and she picks what she wants to be

50:32

at a year old and picks what she's going to do

50:34

in life. She picked an artist,

50:36

like one of those

50:38

like Michaels plastic,

50:43

I want to say, what is this thing called?

50:46

Palette? Like an easel? Like a palette,

50:48

but it was like one of the long ones that you had when you were

50:50

a kid.

50:51

And I was like, oh, you're never going to make any money. It

50:54

was your money. Yeah, I was like, oh. This

50:56

from a guy who dropped out of college,

50:58

moved to LA and somehow

51:00

became one of the biggest artists on the planet. I was like,

51:03

God damn. Isn't that kind of mad? And then I

51:05

put her back and tried to make her pick a gamut. I was

51:07

like, don't you want to make any of these ones? But isn't that

51:09

crazy though? Even though you literally did

51:12

just that, you turned the impossible

51:14

into tangible. Yes, sir. That

51:16

when faced with the prospect of what

51:19

the future for something you hold dearer than yourself.

51:22

Because for the first time in your life, right, you

51:24

love something more than yourself. Well, that's not

51:26

where my parents were coming from. They're like,

51:29

hey, you don't really want to do that. But

51:31

like I said, I always buster balls, but success.

51:35

And what I want to do is I want

51:38

her to be able to

51:40

not

51:41

be scared to say, you know what? I

51:44

want to make a painting of my own poop.

51:46

Like who did the poop painting? Someone.

51:50

But I was like, well, you know, maybe

51:52

someone's going to want to buy it. Probably

51:56

not. But

51:58

I want you to do that. And

52:00

so... Isn't it just about them being

52:03

happy? That's exactly what it is. That's

52:05

exactly what it is. I think that's pretty simple.

52:08

Exactly. Well that's the whole thing. And

52:11

I just don't want her to be scared

52:13

to do what she wants to do

52:15

in her life.

52:17

And I want

52:19

to, I guess, incubate

52:23

a creative and free

52:26

lifestyle where she doesn't have to worry about

52:28

that. You know what I mean? So I want

52:30

to bust my ass while I still

52:32

can. My knees are going out on

52:34

me. I'm 27. I talk like I'm...

52:38

Like Zane Lowe's age. If you guys

52:40

know he's getting out of there. Wow.

52:44

Don't you think though while we're in parents' corner,

52:46

don't you think that more than the money and the

52:48

means that you just... That's a whole new thing for you. Parents'

52:50

corner. I think it's been done and I don't

52:52

know if I'm the one. I'm doing

52:55

my best. I don't know if I'm the one. Don't

52:57

you think more than the money and the means though,

52:59

they just want to look

53:01

in your eyes when they do it and know

53:03

that you believe in them?

53:04

Well that's not a... Well

53:06

I like to believe that's not a problem.

53:08

And I was raised in a

53:10

family, like I said I bust her balls all the time.

53:13

I'm like, oh you're never going to make any money. That's

53:15

shit. You're going to be living with me forever. She

53:17

doesn't even, you know, she doesn't talk. But

53:19

she's listening. That's the whole deal. I come

53:22

from a family where it's just like we

53:24

talk shit and just have fun and that's

53:26

like, I don't know, that's

53:29

how we bond. You know what I mean? It's

53:32

so bitchin' because I look at her and I'm like, oh

53:34

you can't do anything wrong. And

53:37

that's the cool thing about being a dad. There's

53:40

nothing you could do that could not

53:42

make me love you. And

53:45

I hope it's the same for her. And

53:48

that's the hard part about being on tour is like you

53:50

miss the... I miss the fuck out of that baby.

53:52

You know? But

53:56

if you watch this, I'm doing

53:58

the hard work. So

54:00

you can make paintings of with

54:03

your shit What

54:11

a fucking crazy ride dude, I

54:13

look over

54:14

as I reach my old age I

54:18

think about I Think

54:20

about the amount of conversations. I've had

54:22

with people Who I love.

54:25

Yes, sir, and I've fallen in love through the art

54:28

and then I have the fortunate opportunity

54:30

to meet people and then I fall in love with the people

54:32

and

54:34

And then I watched it all happen Like

54:37

we all do Your

54:39

journey is one of the most interesting, you

54:42

know Coming from where you came from striving

54:44

for identity trying to figure out who you were

54:47

with the voice No one could deny it But the

54:49

identity wasn't formed sure to get into this

54:51

place now where that guitars right next to you and the

54:53

songs the best you've ever Thank you, sir. If

54:56

I could only remember the court's well, you better hurry up Because

55:01

you got a band on you know what those guys rolling

55:03

their eyes behind you Hey, you know what they could tell

55:05

me exactly what it is But they always use too

55:08

many they put too many numbers in their cores

55:10

and I'm like, yeah, it's too many numbers

55:12

So what do I do?

55:19

Enough of this trusty

55:21

I know dude, I'm so scared. I'm like cuz

55:23

these guys were like all top of the class Yeah,

55:26

and I'm just like hey Well,

55:28

that's why you hire him me auto-tune That's

55:30

why you're here, but I'm gonna say this one

55:32

time man And it's it I don't want it to come across

55:35

as being overly intrusive into

55:37

what we've been discussing Dude, you're

55:39

not just an auto-tune dude, like there's you

55:42

can't auto-tune soul

55:43

You can make your note sound better And

55:47

you can make something modern feel ready,

55:50

but you can't put soul

55:53

through an auto-tune and improve

55:56

and try to alter the intention sir

55:58

the feeling is all you

55:59

And so that's

56:02

all I want to say about this record is I

56:04

didn't come for the beats and I didn't come for the autotune.

56:07

I came for the feeling and that's what's

56:09

across it. Sir, thank

56:12

you. Zaymar.

56:15

I love you. Thank you, Bubba. You're the fucking

56:17

best.

56:30

Thank you.