0:00

In the last 15 years, there's only two

0:02

people of 70 kilos

0:04

and more who finished on the

0:06

podium, only a person. And

0:09

the last how many years? The last 15 years. Two

0:14

people. Who's the other one? Matthew

0:17

on the pool and Walt Van Aert. Well, you

0:19

know. And

0:22

another another interesting start. I

0:25

finished on the I finished on the podium and I was

0:28

I wait that much. Yeah,

0:31

but that's more than 15 years ago. I know, but I just

0:33

I just come on, come on, man. That's

0:36

how old we are. Look, I didn't get

0:38

hugged enough when I grew up. Come on.

0:40

Give me give me some love, dude. Hey,

0:49

everybody, this is the Move Podcast.

0:52

Hope everybody's doing well, talking about the two thousand twenty

0:54

four Liège best only as

0:56

that is. It is exactly the way it

0:58

sounds. It starts and finishes in Liège. It

1:01

goes down to Bestonia, Belgium. I

1:03

want to ask Johan some questions about this part of Belgium here

1:05

a little bit, and then comes back to Liège, of

1:07

course, goes down in a

1:09

fairly straight shot. And then on

1:11

the way back, they find pretty much any hill they

1:13

can go over, any climb they can go over. And,

1:17

yep, you know,

1:19

for the betting man, what did you just

1:22

tell me, Johan? Tade Poguchar

1:24

has raced 10 times this

1:26

year. Ten days. This

1:28

is his seventh win. 70

1:31

percent of the time he's put a number on his back, he's won the bike

1:33

race. This is

1:36

crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. I mean, you

1:38

know, the the

1:40

the really the top guys seem to race

1:42

less and less. But whenever they race, you

1:44

know, there's no more racing for training these

1:46

days. Yeah, seven

1:48

out of 10. I think that's quite unique. And

1:50

I got a little ahead of myself. Obviously joined

1:52

by Johan Brineau up

1:55

there still in that wine cellar, man. I

1:58

want to come back as George one day. Yeah,

2:03

I haven't left since Wednesday when we

2:05

did the Fleximon Show. Really? You look

2:07

a little groggy. And it

2:10

actually looks like quite a few bottles are missing back

2:12

there. JB,

2:14

how are you? You're just right across the street. Doing

2:17

good. I'm going to catch the

2:19

Nate Bergazzi show tonight. Nice and

2:22

comedian. And for those

2:24

who don't know, like he's one of the

2:26

biggest stars in comedy right now. And Lance

2:28

had him on the forward like before he

2:30

anyone knew who he was like very early.

2:34

So maybe go back through the catalog and listen

2:36

to that. Yeah, it was probably

2:38

five years ago. No, it was easy

2:40

to know what that might even be more.

2:43

Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to Nick Schulley

2:45

for suggesting Nate Bergazzi. I was like, who's that?

2:47

He's like, I was just comedian. So I watched a

2:49

couple specials. Guy didn't

2:51

say one cuss word. No, I'm like, I mean,

2:53

think about it. You watch any

2:57

comedian now, right? All the big ones.

3:00

By the way, Nate Bergazzi sold out

3:02

two nights at the Moody Center

3:04

here in Austin. So that's I don't know, 15,000

3:06

people a night. He's not gonna say one bad

3:08

word. How do

3:10

you do that? I tried like

3:12

hell on the show. Did like, could you just drop

3:15

a dang or a dam or shit

3:17

or anything? No, I just don't

3:20

know. Anyways, guys got huge.

3:22

I am. But on

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loved this race, loved it, always,

6:59

always, always, the bike race I always wanted to win. I

7:02

thought I had it in a bag 2004. I

7:05

will take all the blame for not winning

7:07

that one, but we

7:10

won't go down that rabbit hole, but it's

7:12

been a year. It's been a, I mean, JVU

7:15

asked about the strategic on this in the pre-show. I

7:18

mean, these classics so far, how many of

7:20

these performances have we seen, right? You

7:23

saw PogoChard do almost the same thing. And

7:26

when I say same thing, I mean, he called

7:28

it out and started going, okay, hey guys, hey everybody, this,

7:31

I'm gonna go, he may as well just walked out

7:33

there with a profile and said, this, I'm gonna go

7:35

right here. I'm gonna attack right here. Anybody

7:37

wants to come, just come along. I'm just letting you know I'm

7:39

going there. He did the same thing today.

7:43

Matthew Vanderpool did it two times. Only

7:46

race that didn't happen in is Milan San Remo, just

7:48

because it can't happen there, right?

7:50

It's just not hilly enough or hard enough. This

7:54

is unheard of. I mean, a lot of this stuff is

7:56

unheard of. Seven wins out of

7:58

10 for a rider. 70%

8:01

batting average never happens. One

8:04

single rider in any given race

8:06

completely dominating never happens.

8:09

It's crazy. Not only that,

8:11

but we're seeing these guys coming out, no

8:14

racing with Vanderbilt coming into San Remo, being

8:16

a real important part of the team. When

8:19

they're then going on to dominate the classics,

8:21

no racing behind his legs in the

8:23

same name, we post our basically took a month away

8:25

from racing at altitude. I still don't understand how these

8:27

guys are mimicking the race speeds. We

8:29

understand they could do the, you know, the Watts

8:32

on the climbs and have all the power to weight

8:34

ratio really take care of their, their, their nutrition, all

8:36

that stuff. But to mimic the race speed,

8:38

I don't get it. And not

8:40

only is he mimicking the race speed, but

8:42

he's dropping her in the climb and then

8:45

immediately putting time on the best riders

8:47

in the world. As soon as he gets on

8:49

top of the climbs, just keeps going from 10

8:51

seconds to 30 seconds to a minute. And he's

8:53

gone like they can't even do anything about it.

8:56

By the way, on, on Lava dude, he got out

8:58

of the saddle to accelerate. I don't think he got

9:00

out of the saddle the rest of the time. He

9:03

just stayed in the saddle and rode his tempo

9:05

and you saw everybody else. Like

9:08

it was a sprint trying to stay

9:10

on his wheel, hats off to Carapaz

9:12

for making it across, but could not hold it.

9:14

And he's just in the saddle just

9:16

riding a fast tempo. I mean, the hybrid dude folks, they're

9:19

pieces that are 15%. Yeah.

9:21

It is always very hard climb. New

9:24

record also on Lava dude, eight seconds

9:26

faster than last year, a ramp wave

9:28

in the pool, you

9:30

know, cold weather. Okay. Last year was also a bad

9:33

weather, but what

9:35

I'm really impressed about is that, you

9:38

know, he just goes so early on

9:40

Lava dude. Normally Lava dude is a

9:42

climb. I mean, you've done it. It's

9:45

first it's a drag and you wait until

9:47

everybody's really tired and then, you know,

9:50

just after halfway or even just before

9:52

the top people go normally. But

9:54

he goes really early. Um,

9:56

as you say, Lance, you know, it was

9:58

kind of pre announced. I

10:01

listened to Matiaszkiy, they

10:04

asked him before the race, what do you think

10:06

is going to be the scenario? He said, well,

10:09

UAE is going to control and today is going

10:11

to attack on La Rodu probably

10:13

and then we'll see how it goes. And

10:15

that's what happened. And basically from the

10:17

moment he attacked, in my opinion, it

10:20

was a race for second place. So,

10:22

Ramon Bardet hats off to him. I

10:24

mean, he was the best of the

10:26

rest. It's an amazing race.

10:28

It's nice to see him back

10:31

at a really good level. But

10:33

that level is unfortunately for

10:35

the whole, the rest of the

10:37

peloton way behind Thalepo Gaczar. Yeah,

10:40

and it's interesting, I mean, Ruben Bardet just came off

10:42

on tour de Alpes where he was very

10:45

strong there, had a day off, race

10:47

finish on Friday, one day off and then

10:49

graciously as best only as is incredible, the

10:51

recovery, you know, these guys have. And Ruben

10:53

Bardet is not a young riding boy, he's

10:55

13 years old. So, perhaps

10:57

somebody like that needs that sort of intensity,

11:00

that sort of race intensity before a big

11:02

race like this. But one day off, I

11:04

mean, it's incredible. That's so old

11:06

school. Yeah, I mean, for this

11:08

peloton, he's like a grandpa out there.

11:11

That's an old school approach. Yeah.

11:15

I'm curious, this is more for Johan. I was,

11:17

as I was watching the race, I was like,

11:19

I was watching all the Belgian fans and I'm

11:21

like, what do they think of Gaczar?

11:24

Because when you look at the history of this

11:26

race, Belgian riders, Belgian riders

11:28

have won 61 times. Second

11:33

is 12 wins for Italy. Like, it's

11:35

just remarkable. So, and you

11:37

know, nobody knows cycling more than Belgians

11:39

in general. So, I have to think

11:41

they appreciate what they're seeing. Like, they

11:43

know they're witnessing greatness. Are they warming

11:45

up to them or have they? I

11:48

think so. I mean, I think it's

11:50

difficult to, you know, not like Gaczar

11:52

and they really appreciate a performance like

11:55

today. I mean, obviously it also helps

11:57

that the big Belgian favorite for this

11:59

race, Remkorn, was not

12:01

present. If it's a two-way battle,

12:04

then of course all

12:06

the cheering would have been for Remco. But they would

12:08

still have cheered on Pogacar. I

12:10

think the Belgian cycling fans

12:12

love a good show. Last

12:16

year he crashed out. Pogacar

12:19

broke his wrist there and had

12:21

to basically do a

12:24

race against the clock to get ready for the tour. So

12:27

now coming back, wanting that revenge, I

12:31

think the fans have really

12:33

appreciated that. I think

12:35

so. These folks, to your

12:37

point, JB, I mean they're not just standing on the

12:39

side of the road just because the race passes their

12:41

house. These

12:43

are fanatical fans.

12:47

And they know the story. They know

12:49

what happened to him and how his

12:51

tour played out after that. And

12:54

for him to not just come back and target this

12:56

race, but to also keep in mind, skip

12:58

the Tour Flanders, which we've spent a lot of time talking

13:01

about. So for Belgian fans, this

13:03

was their shot to see him. I do

13:06

think he's turning out to

13:08

be... Look at the stats. You just can't

13:11

deny this is going to, if

13:14

not already, one of the best people to ever throw their

13:16

leg over a bike. It just is. 70% win percentage is

13:18

here. Second

13:21

biggest margin of victory

13:23

in Liège, best-selling Liège in the last 44 years. And

13:28

if you're him, boy, you're

13:31

looking around going, okay, my next goal,

13:33

of course he's doing the Giro. I

13:35

think he can bone that one in,

13:37

essentially. He's thinking about the Tour. He

13:39

needs to win another Tour, but he's going. Fingerguard

13:41

just got out of the hospital. Remco's

13:43

banged up. Roglic, we'll

13:45

see. He's

13:48

in there going, man, just stay

13:50

upright. And I got this. Now

13:52

the role's a reverse, right? He was the one, to your

13:54

point, Johan, of playing catch-up

13:56

and trying to get ready for the Tour now. All

13:59

his rivals. A lot of his rivals are doing the

14:01

same thing. He's sitting pretty. What

14:04

do you guys think about George? What

14:07

do you think like a guy like Vinga or

14:09

Zoe? We know Vinga Guard is the most affected

14:11

of that, of the crash in the Basque Country.

14:15

Do you think Vinga Guard, we're going to see him at the start of the tour?

14:18

I don't know. It's hard to say if he

14:20

just got out of the hospital on Monday, like less than a

14:23

week ago, and you got to assume it's

14:25

going to be another six weeks before he's properly riding again.

14:28

I think it's going to be

14:30

next to impossible to see him racing at his level

14:33

of the tour, but maybe he starts the tour. But

14:35

I think we're also going to see a

14:38

lot of different strategies taking place with teams

14:40

like UAE, which now they have the clear

14:42

favorite for the Tour de France, the Giro de Italia.

14:45

You even saw it today, Pogo Char said,

14:47

look, we started riding early on really fast,

14:49

one because he wanted to stay warm, two

14:51

because he wanted to stay safe. These teams

14:53

have so much to lose now that all

14:55

these other guys are gone that I

14:57

think many times we're going to see

15:00

them racing just to keep Pogo Char safe and

15:02

worrying about the results later, like in zero, we

15:04

all know how dangerous that race is. We all

15:06

know the things that can happen, especially in the

15:08

first week. These guys

15:10

have so much to lose that if

15:13

I'm a UAE, don't mistake right now. I'm like, oh

15:16

man, this is going to be a really tough next few months

15:18

for me. Well, and if you're ASO, you're

15:20

sitting here going, oh,

15:22

man. You're going, please,

15:25

please stay upright. You

15:27

have to imagine a tour. Let's

15:29

not get ahead of ourselves, but they're calling

15:32

and checking on him every day. How are you? This

15:34

is the, you know, I say it

15:37

all the time. Sports are built and

15:39

explode because of stars and the stars are the

15:41

athletes and they have to be sitting there going,

15:43

all right, bingo guard may not be there. Who

15:46

knows on room co I mean, you got

15:48

to have these guys. That would

15:50

be. Then all of a sudden you

15:52

got, well, you know, Roman Bardet is on the four star

15:54

list to try to win the tour. Come

15:57

on. I'm going to give an

15:59

unpopular opinion. I do. I wouldn't

16:01

have nothing new here. Go ahead. If

16:04

and you get a lot of counter and it's

16:06

I don't have their own popular, but they're certainly.

16:09

Edgy which is what we love. Why? not

16:11

only is it is just looking I mean

16:13

the we all know we all know that

16:15

the to to France's the biggest race. It's

16:17

the only race that counts once you are

16:19

at the level of about your whenever. if

16:21

he was the gere. okay nice frame. Nobody.

16:24

Everybody expects him to win. The dude he has to

16:26

win the do an hour and a d Mr. I'm

16:28

not going to the zero in this situation.

16:31

I. Am not going I'm I'm I'm I'm

16:33

that the manager I'm saying okay retained the

16:35

program all our our eggs in one basket

16:37

we we play it safe we focus on

16:39

the to are you from now on you'll

16:41

get you've won these races Now you take

16:43

a little rearrest and you have a traditional

16:46

build up to the tour like hanging out

16:48

with have done. Ah and and you know

16:50

you you you you put all the chances

16:52

that to confront that the console animals on

16:54

your size and not going to do that

16:56

because the I like the race and I

16:58

think. It's a guy who

17:00

wants to check off. Boxes he wants to

17:02

win the general and. Is.

17:05

The team going to reimburse him for that spat

17:07

in a that set of parents see that the

17:09

Gr gave him. A national That

17:11

little detail it'll be done. I am as a

17:13

little girl. lot of zeros minded mit little but

17:15

it's got a whole lot of zeros bind it.

17:18

Now. Know. That.

17:21

A Madman. Probably. I

17:23

was. I agree with new car without my.

17:25

I. Agree with you on I would I would. I

17:27

think you would. You'd are you are

17:29

right in saying that says. Go. For

17:31

the all the I can them when best that

17:34

sort of france know know how dangerous racing is

17:36

these days need for what I grants or a

17:38

girl and guy that had nothing to lose smaller

17:40

teams person the first week and or the of

17:42

the grants or. that's a big

17:44

risk the big mess for him the to

17:47

take on such a big an opportunity at

17:49

of of the testing as the to go

17:51

back three four years after forgot our one

17:54

the first and then definitely the second you'd

17:56

as had the same question marks when he's

17:58

at all these other ambitions for

18:01

one day races, you were like, what are you doing? You

18:04

guys were just like boggled that he

18:06

wouldn't put everything in for the tour. Now,

18:09

three years later, reflecting

18:11

on it, it seems like you still feel the same way.

18:14

Like he's not putting enough emphasis on the tour.

18:17

I think, you know, for Pogachar, there's

18:20

only one thing that they will judge him on,

18:23

whether he wins or not the tour, everything

18:26

else. And so, especially,

18:28

I mean, and this is another debate, we

18:30

could do a whole show about this, but

18:32

we have to acknowledge that there are a

18:34

lot of crashes in today's cycling, more and

18:36

more. They

18:38

go faster, the bikes are lighter, stiffer,

18:41

the disc brakes break better, whatever. You

18:43

know, the behavior within the peloton has

18:45

changed, there are a lot of crashes.

18:47

And it's just a matter of, it's

18:49

not always, you don't have it under

18:51

control. So just show up for

18:53

the things that matter. And yeah,

18:57

I would skip the Giro. And

19:00

I would add to that, Johan, these

19:02

guys, all of them, to a man,

19:04

are just that

19:06

much, they're just not even that

19:08

much, they're so much skinnier. These

19:12

guys don't have a whole lot to... They

19:16

almost get hurt when they

19:18

don't crash. They're just, they

19:21

look fragile. I mean, they're

19:23

trying to be as lean as they possibly

19:25

can be and maximize watts

19:28

per kilo. But boy,

19:30

these guys can't take the

19:32

crashes. And some

19:34

of these crashes, it doesn't matter. You could be 20

19:36

pounds heavier, you're still gonna break something. I

19:40

mean, we saw the scale most, right? I mean, look how skinny that

19:42

guy is. You saw what happened to him in the flesh. That

19:45

looked like something out of a war.

19:48

I mean, it's frozen as he was that...

19:51

Dude, I have never seen anybody ever

19:53

in any scenario climbing Everest, hiking

19:57

to the North Pole. I've never seen anyone that cold

19:59

ever. My entire life, like he, it's

20:02

not funny, but he couldn't walk. Excuse

20:05

me. His mechanic, like he was

20:07

a three year old had to carry him to the car.

20:09

Legit. Folks, if

20:12

you haven't seen it, go on

20:14

whatever these social things, you know,

20:16

the, whatever the, the, the, all

20:18

that stuff, you'll see it. The dude

20:20

looked like he was dying.

20:23

Right. That's all these, man. There is just not a

20:25

lot of reserves there. And if you're going to hit

20:27

the deck, anyways. Yeah.

20:31

It's interesting you're saying that because I remember, uh,

20:33

you know, maybe four years ago on the show,

20:35

we got into a pretty

20:38

heavy discussion about how much quicker

20:40

they can heal from fractures and

20:42

bones with modern medicine. Go

20:44

right into surgery. And

20:46

then, but now you're saying they're more frail, which

20:49

is really interesting. Well, that's, that's

20:51

the one of them is before the accident

20:53

and the others after the accident. So that's,

20:55

those are, yes. I mean, I guess

20:57

the good news is there is some technology

20:59

that speeds up healing, but I

21:04

think, uh, you know, when, when we

21:06

commented on Strada Bianche, uh, I asked

21:08

both of you guys, uh,

21:10

don't you have the impression that because

21:13

it was the first time we saw

21:15

Pukachar again racing, he's obviously

21:17

on a different level than last year. And

21:19

I said, don't you, don't you think that

21:22

he looks leaner or skinnier? Um,

21:24

uh, after seeing him today, I, I, I,

21:26

I'm going to confirm he definitely looks skinnier

21:29

and leaner than in the past. Um,

21:32

I'm surprised you haven't actually confirmed that. Well,

21:35

I mean, I'm confirming it now. With

21:38

some scoop or are you just,

21:42

just me thinking that, uh,

21:44

saying what I see, but. Um,

21:48

and you don't, didn't you say last year, he

21:50

didn't do many altitude camps and now he is

21:52

doing them. He did none

21:54

last year. He did not. Just

21:56

come back from altitude now. So

21:59

obviously. He's not going to go anymore. He's probably going

22:01

to do another one between the Giro and the Giro. Yeah.

22:05

Yeah. I mean, the

22:08

scary thing about Bogatyar is that I have

22:10

the impression that he's still improving. He's

22:12

still on the upward curve in terms of his progression, which

22:16

is unbelievable. Yeah. Well,

22:18

there's only one thing that could prevent that from

22:20

continuing, and that's an

22:23

accident. So to your point, I think

22:25

you bring up a good point. I don't know if it's an unpopular

22:27

one, Johan. It's a good point. And we

22:29

all know this. You guys have been

22:32

around a lot more than me. I tell you, I did that race one

22:34

time. I said, shit. And

22:37

I got a bag. All right. I got

22:40

paper for

22:42

doing that. And I was like, man, y'all want this

22:44

back? I want to go home. Fuck this.

22:47

That is sketch balls racing,

22:49

dude. It is. I'm

22:51

like, I'll just give up. In fact, I'll pay you

22:53

more. One year, I did

22:55

one year. But the one year I did the

22:57

zero, we finished in a mass sprint, 200 riders

23:00

running to the line. It

23:02

was a safe finish. It was straight and straight. It started

23:04

raining. Well, somebody decided to

23:07

pour soap right after the finish. And

23:09

I think about 80 of us just slid across the line.

23:11

As soon as you tapped the brakes to slow down, not

23:13

to run into people, we were all on the ground. And

23:16

stuff like that happened in the zero all the time. Let's

23:19

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23:21

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23:23

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23:26

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25:12

real quick, just humor me

25:14

here. Because I remember when I would like, uh,

25:16

when I first went down there to that part of Belgium,

25:19

like Liège and I'm like, what's the big

25:21

deal? We're like, oh, shit, this is different. Like

25:23

you go from Flanders and Tour Flanders and

25:25

Hetfolk and all these races, and then you

25:27

go down there like, dude, this is different. A

25:30

different language looks different, feels

25:33

different. People are different. Same

25:35

country. I was always like, not always, but at

25:37

first I was like, well, this is really weird.

25:40

You basically have two parts of Belgium.

25:42

I don't know if everybody knows that.

25:46

You have the Flemish and the Walloons. Yeah.

25:49

So, you know, Belgium is a small country

25:51

from the two furthest

25:53

points is only 300 kilometers, the whole country.

25:57

But we still managed to have it split up

25:59

in. in several parts, three

26:01

parts actually. One tiny, tiny little part

26:03

is German, but that's irrelevant.

26:08

But yeah, so Liège is in Wallone. Or Germany.

26:13

Liège is in Wallone, so the southern

26:16

part of Belgium, which borders with France,

26:18

they speak Walloon, which is French, the

26:21

northern part, which borders with Holland, speak

26:24

Flemish, which is the same language as Dutch. And I

26:28

think it's also a big difference in

26:30

the scenery. You know, our lands are

26:33

obviously a lot harder. It's hilly. Flanders

26:35

is mostly flat. And

26:37

the people. People are

26:39

different. Although

26:41

I think that on a race

26:43

like L'Ethe is

27:00

the Wallones or that part of Belgium. But

27:02

it doesn't take a genius. You

27:05

just watch both races. And of

27:07

course, the way that the Tour

27:09

Flanders has been reimagined and

27:11

reinvented and really made

27:13

spectator-friendly is cool. But

27:17

this is a different sort of fanaticism

27:20

when it comes to cycling. You can't, not

27:22

much in the world, the

27:24

world of cycling compares to cycling

27:26

pans in Flanders. Like, dude, that's enough. Yeah,

27:28

that's true. It's the same

27:30

country, right? So you could say, oh, Belgium.

27:33

No, it's, yes, same country. But it's a

27:35

different fan base. And you see it. You

27:37

see it on the side. Look at the

27:39

finish, right? That's a very different vibe than

27:42

what you would see even. And

27:44

again, Wevelgem and E3 and all these

27:46

other races, those

27:48

races pull bigger crowds than

27:50

L'Ethe Festival. For sure. For sure.

27:53

For sure. But that's because of the

27:55

fans that all live in this little small pocket

27:57

of Belgium. Yeah, and then also today. But

28:00

especially today also, let's not forget, the weather was not

28:02

great. It's

28:05

between seven and 10 degrees. You

28:07

need to be a real cycling fan to go out. It's

28:11

not very pleasant to stand there for hours in

28:14

the cold, because it was cold. It was cold. It

28:16

didn't rain, but it was cold today. Not only

28:18

that, I mean, we all know Flanders, the

28:21

most iconic climbs are all within a 30-mile

28:24

radius. So it's really easy for the fans to

28:26

just see several sections. And

28:29

the organizers, your friend at the Tour of Flanders

28:31

has done a great job in setting up a

28:33

lot of the bougie VIP areas on the square

28:35

mountain where it becomes a

28:38

really high-end party. And they've

28:40

done a great job in making it

28:42

a much more spectator-friendly race. Boy,

28:44

that was so... For you to call something

28:46

bougie? Oh, it was a bougie. Did

28:49

anybody else catch that? Anybody

28:52

on this show, if anybody on this

28:54

show knows bougie, it's this motherfucker

28:56

right here. For you to call

28:59

that... Oh, yeah,

29:01

your friend with the bougie spectator

29:03

areas. What fucking George was just

29:05

bowed up there. Like, yeah, these

29:07

are my people right here. Just... Yeah.

29:10

Yeah. Champagne.

29:13

I actually enjoyed watching it more than I

29:15

enjoyed watching Rubei. Johan, would you agree or

29:18

not? Got heaters out there. Flanders, you mean, or...?

29:20

Yeah, yeah. But like, last year, we did Flanders. This

29:22

year, we did Rubei. I enjoyed... Obviously, I loved

29:24

riding the cobbles. That was great. I

29:27

haven't done that. I've never watched Rubei as a

29:29

fan, so that was fun. But

29:31

if I were to choose as a spectator,

29:34

I'd go back to Flanders. George, we've been

29:36

to both. We've been to Flanders last year.

29:38

I think the atmosphere is contagious. You know

29:40

what I mean? Yeah. It's

29:42

completely different. It's completely different. But anyway, we're

29:44

talking about Liège. So we don't

29:46

have that atmosphere there for sure. This

29:49

is the kind of stuff you talk about when somebody wins

29:51

by two minutes. Yeah. Okay.

29:54

Yeah. Yeah. It just

29:56

is. By the way, the women's race, that show's

29:58

coming up right after this. Now

30:00

that was a race. That was

30:02

a very exciting race. So as soon as we all

30:05

hang up and I'm going to go do that one,

30:07

I kind of can't wait. That was an actual race.

30:09

Yeah, I recommend our listeners go watch the, at least

30:11

watch the, you know, the last 30 K of that

30:13

race on May 8th and then catch the show with

30:16

Lenny, Sally and Marty. Good stuff. Yeah,

30:18

I thought we, I think we should also point out

30:20

that it's great to see Bernal having some strength there

30:22

at the end of the race. We haven't seen him

30:24

after 200 kilometers. So we see him

30:27

on his comeback. I think it's great to see him

30:29

up there. Big talk. Unfortunately got some

30:31

bad luck, although it probably would not have been able

30:33

to go with Povic are when he went and

30:35

Vannepool, I mean, three groups back

30:37

at one point, chase for 30 K and

30:39

still pulls out a podium. Super impressive ride

30:41

by him. Yeah. Yeah.

30:44

I think that's, that's the other thing I wanted to talk

30:46

about, you know, because before the race we were talking about

30:49

Roger and then perhaps if he had

30:51

an incredible day, much more on the pool.

30:54

I mean, realistically, we have to say, you know, it

30:56

was never going to happen. You know, it's a

30:58

guy of 75 kilos with an erase of

31:00

4,500 meters of elevation. It's

31:05

super difficult, but I have an interesting stat here

31:09

in the last 15 years, there's only two

31:11

people of 70 kilos

31:14

and more who finished on the

31:16

podium. Olyel Pasternlyesch. And

31:19

the last how many years? The last 15 years.

31:22

Two people. Who's

31:24

the other one? Mathieu

31:26

van der Poel and Wald van Aert. And

31:32

another interesting stat. I

31:36

finished on the podium and I was, I

31:38

weighed that much. Yeah,

31:40

but that's more than 15 years ago. I know, but I just,

31:43

come on, come on, man. That's

31:45

how old we are. Look, I didn't get

31:47

hugged enough when I grew up. Come on, man.

31:49

Give me some love, dude. The

31:53

last three riders who finished on the podium of

31:56

Paris-Roubaix and Lées Vasternlyesch are...

32:01

Mathieu van der Poel this year, Wold

32:04

van Aert two

32:06

years ago, and 1986, Adri van der Poel. Yeah,

32:12

I knew his name had to be in there. Yeah. Mathieu's

32:15

dad. Yeah. Good

32:18

genetics, good genetics. Yeah. There

32:21

was one other thing of interest you

32:23

guys brought up about today's race is

32:25

the, you know, the

32:27

gentleman's agreement after a crash and

32:30

Israel Premier Tech got on the front after

32:32

that crash and started driving. And

32:35

but a one day race is very different

32:37

from a stage race where there's, you know,

32:39

much more of an establishment in the leadership.

32:41

So what were your thoughts on that? Start

32:44

with, we'll start with you on that one, John. Okay.

32:48

Well, you know, there was, there were two crashes very

32:50

close to each other, a bit about 100k to go.

32:53

So still quite far away from Laredut,

32:55

which normally the code, the Laredut is

32:57

identified as the breaking point of the

33:00

race and the way the race was

33:02

developing. I think everybody in the peloton knew that that's

33:04

what was going to happen. So we

33:07

had the under pool and Pitcock involved in

33:09

both of those crashes. They

33:12

were not really, you know, they didn't really

33:14

crash, but they were held up and behind.

33:18

And we saw that Israel Premier Tech,

33:20

a bit surprising, I would say, because,

33:22

you know, they didn't have the big

33:24

favorite, you know, it's okay. They had Stevie

33:26

Williams, who won flesh for loan. They had

33:28

Dylan Terns, who was their leader for today.

33:32

But they went to the front, like straight away,

33:34

straight away, you know, they will say,

33:37

they will say, okay, that was our plan. We wanted to

33:39

be in front. UAE

33:42

joined them straight after that. And it took

33:44

a lot of effort of from the pool

33:46

and Pitcock to come back. And

33:48

I think the question is, you know, do

33:51

is it, can you do that? I mean, yeah, I

33:53

think you can. It's part of a race, you know,

33:56

it's the crashes. And especially in one day,

33:58

races happen. And

34:01

those agreements I think are more

34:03

valid in grand tours when

34:05

one of the leaders crashes. And

34:07

still, when

34:10

the race is going on already and there's a

34:12

crucial point where everybody wants to be in the

34:14

front, they're also not going to wait. And today

34:16

cycling, even less, no? But

34:18

I found it quite early, a bit

34:20

100k to go to say, Israel Premier Tech,

34:23

okay, we go to the front and we

34:25

put the pace here. They

34:28

finally made it back, but I think it took a lot out

34:30

of Pitcock and the

34:57

front out. But those guys,

35:00

very narrow road, too far in

35:03

the back. I mean, with the rest of the people taken

35:05

off and of course, would road

35:09

furniture traffic furniture played a

35:11

factor again, but

35:14

they wouldn't have changed the outcome of the race. No,

35:16

I agree. And it's like you

35:19

said, you know, on very fast, very narrow roads in

35:21

the guys perhaps they started pulling a

35:23

bit early, but their other choice is,

35:25

okay, let's wait for these 100 guys that crash. And

35:27

then you think those 100 guys, once they come back,

35:29

they're going to give them leeway for positioning? No, this

35:32

race is all about positioning all day long. Always have

35:34

to be paying attention. So if you happen to be

35:37

misfortunate enough to get behind that crash, these guys are not

35:39

going to wait for you to get back in there to

35:42

fight with more people for positioning.

35:44

They're happy to have their guy fight

35:46

with half the pelts on as opposed to full pelts gone. You

35:49

know, the other interesting thing, because when you

35:51

mentioned, and I agree with you, that La

35:54

Redute is really, I mean, if Pade

35:56

Pogutar stands on the start line this morning,

35:58

which effectively he did. So guys, this is where

36:01

I'm going to attack. That hasn't always

36:03

been the case. If I remember

36:05

correctly back in our time, Johan, the

36:07

stucco was sort of, and even in Merck's time,

36:09

I mean, there, there is a statue of Eddie

36:11

Merck's on top of the stucco

36:13

because that is the climb that he always used

36:16

to attack to win Leash, Besson, Leash,

36:18

it's a lot earlier than La Redude.

36:21

I mean, by the time we

36:23

went in stucco, Haudenosaun, and then

36:25

you finally eventually get to La Redude.

36:27

But back then, I mean, people thought

36:30

if I can get over the stucco,

36:33

I might make it. I mean, it's, I mean, that's

36:35

all, it's a lot earlier. Yeah. Yeah.

36:39

Yeah. And you know, today, I mean, I think,

36:41

I think everybody was also, uh, nobody

36:44

wanted to try anything because they all knew

36:46

that Poggacha was going to, you know, his

36:48

team already, I think, you

36:50

know, another thing that I want to point

36:52

out is, okay, Poggacha is the

36:55

big favorite for a race like this, but his

36:57

team was incredibly strong. I mean, to, to

36:59

control all race, uh,

37:01

with a single team, like

37:04

they basically did, you have to have strong

37:06

riders today. For me, the

37:08

guy, the, the, the best Gregario in

37:11

the race was this, uh, Dam,

37:13

what was this called Damon Novak. That

37:16

guy was unbelievable. I mean, he was so strong.

37:18

I mean, people probably haven't picked up on it,

37:20

but you know, he, he was pulling very fast,

37:22

people were getting dropped on the Oak LaVie already.

37:25

And then, you know, he got dropped. He came back,

37:28

he started pulling again, and he was still basically there

37:30

until the bottom of the, uh, of the latter dudes.

37:34

He was very strong. JB,

37:36

you got some questions before we bounce. I do. I

37:38

have a couple, a couple of

37:40

comments, one for you and one for

37:42

George. Uh, this first one is from

37:46

a friend of mine, Paula, and I think

37:48

George knows Paula, but she wrote

37:50

to me yesterday and said a very

37:52

close riding buddy of mine, Colin is

37:54

battling cancer again. Uh,

37:56

he is a beast and you guys met him

37:58

at the Hincapifondo. He's. He's been battling since

38:02

he was 44. He is now 58 and

38:05

he has tumors everywhere. He keeps it to

38:08

himself. Share stuff with me.

38:10

It just sucks. But he rides every

38:13

day and he's very determined.

38:16

His goal last year before he got sick

38:18

again was to ride the Greenville, Hincapie, Fondo,

38:21

sub five hours the year before he

38:23

did it in five hours 10. He's just

38:25

a solid guy. You think Glansky

38:27

would give him a shout out? He's quietly

38:29

fighting the fight and who knows? He

38:31

might just keep on trucking. Absolutely Colin.

38:34

That's Colin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hang

38:36

in there. That sucks. I agree

38:38

with your friend. That totally sucks. It

38:41

also kind of sucks that your time at

38:43

the Greenville, Hincapie, Fondo is probably better than

38:45

mine. You know

38:47

what I mean? But we're

38:49

thinking about you pulling for you, Colin Strong, all

38:51

the way. Don't

38:54

give up, dude. A

38:56

couple photos for those watching on

38:58

YouTube from the Fondo. So anyway,

39:01

and then here's another one. This is for George.

39:03

This was kind of fun. We were talking about

39:05

the horrible weather last week on

39:07

Wednesday. But anyhow, it says

39:09

this is from Bryce. I

39:12

listened to the recent podcast on flesh, flesh,

39:14

will own and enjoyed the

39:16

section. You all of you, you guys

39:18

recalling the worst days on the bike.

39:21

When George started talking, I knew exactly

39:23

what race and day he was describing. I

39:26

was there racing with him in the 2008

39:28

tour of California. I was racing

39:30

with Jelly Belly and on that miserable

39:32

day, actually worked with George to bridge

39:34

across to the break. Please

39:36

ask George, if he remembers the tall rider,

39:39

I'm six foot six, who bumped

39:41

the motor bike and did a 360 on

39:43

the bike in the middle of the road due to the high winds

39:46

while we were bridging. Unfortunately, I was one

39:48

of the riders dropped with at

39:50

20 K from

39:52

hypothermia. Also

39:55

asked George if he remembers the bet that we

39:58

made during that race. I offered a box. of

40:00

Jelly Belly sports beans in exchange

40:02

for an autographed jersey. My

40:05

memory, my memory is that I held

40:07

up my end of the deal still

40:09

waiting on his side. Oh, gee. And

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now he gets in. It's good. In

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all seriousness, I still own the

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bike shop I started while racing as

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a pro and now have several other

40:21

locations and we'd be honored to put

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a George Jersey on display. That's

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Mead's bike shop. Where

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is it? He's

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in the Midwest, Sterling, Illinois. So I think

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that Quad Cities area. Well,

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great. Yeah, two things for

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sure. We'll send him a jersey. I'll send

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him one of my move jerseys next week.

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Give me the address. And I do remember

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because the wind in that particular

40:48

day was some of the strongest winds I've ever

40:50

dealt with. Like we'd come around corners and

40:52

you'd feel like you ran into a wall.

40:55

The wind was that strong. And I do remember Ryder

40:58

getting pushed so hard that he had to

41:00

turn in the middle of

41:03

the road. It was that intense. It was not

41:05

like anything I'd ever seen in my career.

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And that day still stands out.

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So I appreciate him reminding me

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of that wind. And

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one more very important thing here.

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I'll send a jersey too. Never

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mind. Yeah, you should.

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I'll send the address to both of you. But oh,

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and then one more very important thing

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here. We're obviously for years have been

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partners with Ventum. We're all writing Ventum's

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Love them. They're NS1, their GS1. We're

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giving away an NS1 at the end of

41:37

the Giro and you have time to register

41:40

for that. This doesn't cost you anything. You

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go in, register. If you haven't done it

41:45

yet, get it in. Go to Ventum racing.com

41:48

slash the move. But put a dash in

41:50

there. The dash move. Ventum Racing dot com,

41:52

the dash move for your chance to win

41:55

a brand new NS1. Cool.

41:57

All Right, everybody. Thanks for tuning in.

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