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true crime. This
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is the 37th in a series
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of bonus episodes. Thomas
3:07
Skinner was roused awake by the sound of
3:09
pounding at his front door on the night
3:11
of May 3, 1957. It
3:16
was about 11.20pm and he and
3:18
his wife Anne had not been
3:20
asleep for long. When
3:23
Thomas gathered his thoughts he walked down
3:25
the stairs and opened the front door.
3:29
To his surprise his next door
3:31
neighbour Kenneth Barlow greeted him. Kenneth
3:34
was dressed for bed in his pyjamas
3:36
and wrapped in a dressing gown. He
3:39
urgently asked Thomas to call the doctor
3:41
as something had happened to his wife
3:43
Elizabeth. The two
3:46
men raced to the Barlow's home next
3:48
door bounding up the stairs and then
3:50
into the bathroom. Elizabeth
3:53
was lying motionless in the bathtub.
3:56
Her husband rubbed her shoulders and then
3:59
broke down. his. While
4:02
Thomas ran to find a doctor, Kenneth
4:04
returned to the Skinner's home and told
4:07
Anne it was too late. His
4:09
wife was gone. 31-year-old
4:16
Elizabeth Cunningham was born and
4:18
raised in Derby. Until
4:21
her mid-twenty, she had lived close to
4:23
her parents, employed as
4:25
a textile worker at Reicheneld Mills
4:27
Limited on Bridge Street where she
4:29
had grown up. In
4:32
the early 1950s, Elizabeth
4:35
moved to Bradford and worked as
4:37
a ward auxiliary in several hospitals
4:39
in the area. She
4:42
remained single until she crossed
4:45
paths with 38-year-old Kenneth Barlow.
4:48
Kenneth was a widower. His
4:51
first wife Nancy died while they
4:53
were estranged, so Kenneth was raising
4:55
his 10-year-old son Ian as a
4:57
single parent. While
4:59
getting to know each other, Elizabeth and
5:02
Kenneth discovered they had something in common.
5:05
They both worked in the medical field
5:07
as state registered charge nurses.
5:11
After their wedding in June 1956, Elizabeth
5:15
moved in with Kenneth and his son
5:17
Ian to start a new chapter in
5:19
her life on Thornby Crescent, a
5:22
quiet residential street in
5:24
Bradford lined with identical
5:26
beige semi-detached houses. Just
5:29
under a year later on May 3, 1957,
5:34
Elizabeth was working part-time at a
5:36
launderette near their home. She
5:39
finished her shift around midday. Elizabeth's
5:42
colleagues remembered her leaving in good
5:44
spirits and telling them about her
5:46
plans to wash her hair. Arriving
5:50
home shortly after finishing work, Elizabeth
5:53
joined her husband and stepson in
5:55
the kitchen for their Friday lunch.
6:00
She spent the afternoon doing some chores
6:02
around the home, then popped
6:04
next door to speak with Anne Skinner.
6:08
After Kenneth Barlow finished cleaning his
6:10
car he joined his wife and the
6:12
Skinners. Mr
6:14
and Mrs Skinner said Elizabeth was in
6:17
good form when she left and was
6:19
full of life. At
6:22
around 5pm she had an evening meal
6:24
of toast, grapefruit and a cup of
6:26
tea with sugar. Mrs
6:29
Elizabeth finished eating, she relaxed
6:32
on the settee, but she
6:34
seemed restless. According
6:36
to Kenneth, Elizabeth told him she
6:38
was feeling tired. At
6:41
6.30pm she changed into her
6:43
pyjamas and lay in bed.
6:47
Around an hour later Kenneth went upstairs
6:49
to remind his wife that a television
6:51
show she was looking forward to was
6:54
about to start. Elizabeth
6:56
told him she didn't want to get out
6:58
of bed. Ian's
7:01
bedtime was at 8pm and
7:03
usually Elizabeth would say good night to
7:06
the little boy in his bedroom. On
7:09
this night however she was too tired
7:11
to move. Kenneth
7:14
later described how Elizabeth shouted
7:17
down for him at 9.30pm
7:19
and when he went into the master bedroom
7:22
he saw she had vomited all over the
7:24
bed. Kenneth
7:26
stripped the bed closed and changed the
7:28
sheets after which he decided
7:30
to call it a night himself and got
7:33
in to bed. Elizabeth
7:35
was tossing and turning, she
7:38
complained that she was too hot to sleep
7:40
beneath the covers. After
7:43
a few minutes she got out of bed
7:45
and told her husband she was going to
7:47
run a bath, perhaps to cool
7:50
herself down and freshen up after she
7:52
had been sick. The
7:55
sound of water filling the tub lulled
7:57
Kenneth to sleep. He
8:00
woke up suddenly about an hour later.
8:03
Elizabeth was not on her side of the
8:05
bed. Kenneth called
8:08
her name to see what was taking her
8:10
so long in the bathroom. His
8:13
wife did not respond, so
8:15
Kenneth got out of bed and opened
8:18
the bathroom door. Elizabeth
8:20
was still in the bath, but her
8:22
head was under the water. Kenneth
8:25
said he tried to pull her out of
8:27
the bath, but the water made it difficult.
8:30
He was unable to get a firm grip on
8:33
her body. He changed
8:35
tacks and used one hand to pull out
8:37
the plug while holding her head above the
8:39
water line. When
8:41
the bath had drained, Kenneth put Elizabeth on her
8:43
back at the bottom off the top. Once
8:48
in this position, Kenneth, the registered
8:50
nurse, performed CPR.
8:53
As soon as he realised his life-saving
8:56
attempts were futile, he alerted
8:58
his neighbours. After
9:05
a doctor and police officers arrived,
9:07
Kenneth Barlow relayed an account
9:09
of the evening's events. The
9:13
doctor had been the first to
9:15
attend and he saw Elizabeth in the
9:17
bath who exhibited no signs of
9:19
life. She knew
9:21
to wait for the police to arrive to
9:24
avoid disturbing the scene. Elizabeth
9:27
was lying in the bath on her
9:29
right side, her knees bent upwards
9:32
and her hands resting just below
9:34
her chin. Detective
9:37
Sergeant Naylor with the Bradford
9:39
Constabulary noticed a series of
9:42
peculiar circumstances in the bathroom.
9:45
The walls and floor appeared to
9:47
be dry, with no sign of
9:49
condensation on the tiles. Two
9:53
vomit-stained pillowcases were soaking in the
9:55
sink, and a damp pair of
9:57
sweat-soaked women's pyjamas were crumpled on.
10:00
The floor just outside of Boss.
10:03
A routine surge of the home was
10:05
conducted. And Doctor David
10:08
Price, a forensic pathologist was
10:10
requested to attend as. A
10:13
doctor arrived in the early hours just
10:15
after three. I am. Members.
10:19
Of the local see Id, we're
10:21
ready at the Bar Los property
10:23
as well as scenes of crime,
10:25
offices and police photographers. Dogs.
10:28
Of Price made a preliminary examination
10:30
of Elizabeth's body in a bar.
10:33
She. Was lying in what he
10:35
described as a natural sleeping position,
10:37
curled up on her right side.
10:41
Blood. Tinge frost had run out of
10:43
her nose and on to her hands
10:45
and when her body was moved boss
10:47
mortar that had been trapped in a
10:49
crook of her right held by slow
10:52
down towards the drying. Elizabeth's
10:55
body was eventually removed from
10:57
the property and taken to
10:59
the mortuary or postmortem was
11:01
conducted attacked. Doctor
11:04
Price examines Horizon Sound pretty
11:07
kill hemorrhage as well as
11:09
extreme dilation. All Peoples. In
11:13
fact, he said that the people's was
11:15
so in large that they almost covered
11:17
how rings. Hi Iris! Elizabeth
11:20
had been around eight weeks pregnant,
11:22
but there was nothing to suggest
11:24
anything was wrong with the pregnancy
11:27
or her major organs. And
11:29
lungs and respiratory tract will
11:32
congested with blood stained soil
11:34
straight into. However,
11:38
Dr. Price was suspicious.
11:41
Although he found no signs of
11:43
a violent struggle during his examination,
11:45
Elizabeth's dilated pupils suggested she could
11:47
have been under the influence of
11:50
drugs at the time off her
11:52
death. Blood. samples
11:54
taken from the inside of her heart
11:56
was sent to dr alan cari at
11:59
the northeast and forensic science lab
12:01
along with a urine sample
12:03
extracted from Elizabeth's bladder. Dr.
12:07
Curry found that Elizabeth's blood sugar
12:09
level was elevated but there
12:11
was no sugar in her urine. The
12:14
results contradicted each other. Blood
12:17
sugar levels rapidly decrease after death as
12:19
any stored sugar in the body is
12:22
used up when bacterial action begins to
12:24
break down the cells. Dr. Price referred
12:28
to studies he had read that showed that
12:31
blood in the right chambers of the heart
12:33
was an exception to this process and
12:35
instead of the blood sugar level declining
12:38
it would rise. Elizabeth's
12:41
blood samples were clear of drugs.
12:44
Still Dr. Price and Dr. Curry
12:46
wanted to re-examine the body for
12:49
injection sites. Kenneth
12:52
Barlow was a trained nurse and
12:54
during a search of his home
12:57
officers discovered two hypodermic syringes, four
12:59
needles and some quinine, a
13:01
medication that was used to treat colds in the
13:05
1950s but is now used as
13:07
a malaria treatment. Due
13:10
to the contrasting blood sugar results Dr.
13:13
Price considered the possibility that
13:15
Elizabeth had been injected with
13:17
insulin. Insulin
13:20
is naturally produced in the pancreas
13:22
to regulate blood sugar and the
13:24
creation of insulin as a drug
13:26
was hailed as a miracle for
13:28
diabetics. In the
13:30
1950s insulin was also
13:32
used to treat mental health
13:35
conditions like severe anxiety and
13:37
schizophrenia. Patients would
13:39
be injected with insulin which would
13:41
cause their blood sugar levels to
13:43
decrease rapidly. Extremely
13:46
low blood sugar is
13:48
called hypoglycemia and symptoms
13:50
include hunger, weakness, tremors.
13:54
Eventually patients slip into a
13:56
coma. Insulin
13:58
is absorbed into the body very
14:00
quickly after an injection so
14:03
the best hope the investigators had of
14:05
detecting it was to look for injection
14:08
sites. Elizabeth's
14:10
body was re-examined under better
14:13
quality lighting as the
14:15
first post-mortem had been conducted in the
14:17
early morning. Using
14:19
a magnifying lens, Dr.
14:21
Price examined Elizabeth's buttocks and
14:24
found four marks that he
14:26
suspected were from hypodermic injections.
14:30
Two pieces of skin fat and muscle
14:32
were then cut from the area that
14:34
appear to have been injected a few
14:37
hours before her death. Those
14:40
samples were frozen while Dr. Price
14:42
consulted with multiple specialists to come
14:44
up with a series of complex
14:46
experiments that would allow them to
14:49
test for the presence of insulin.
14:52
Dr. Gurd from Boots Drug Company's
14:54
research lab found over 80 units
14:57
of insulin in the tissue
14:59
sample taken from Elizabeth's buttocks.
15:02
Over twice the amount needed to
15:04
be consumed by a diabetic patient
15:06
in one day. The
15:08
insulin level would have been much
15:11
higher before death as it dissolves
15:13
quickly. 100 to 150
15:15
units were typically used to
15:18
put psychiatric patients in tachomas.
15:21
The tissue samples were eventually broken
15:24
down and extracts were taken to
15:26
be injected into mice. The
15:29
mice reacted as though they had
15:31
been injected with insulin for the
15:33
proving Dr. Gurd's results. In
15:37
mid-July 1957 Dr. Price
15:41
listed Elizabeth Barlow's cause of
15:43
death as asphyxia due to
15:45
drowning while in a hypoglycemic
15:47
coma caused by an overdose
15:49
of insulin. As
15:52
it would have been incredibly challenging for
15:54
Elizabeth to inject herself in the buttocks
15:57
Elizabeth's husband Kenneth was brought in.
16:00
for questioning. At
16:05
the station Kenneth Barlow was told insulin
16:08
had been found in his wife's system.
16:11
In response he said, that
16:13
would have killed her depending on
16:15
the amount that was used. When
16:19
asked if he had injected her with insulin,
16:21
Barlow adamantly denied that he did,
16:24
but did admit that he had been
16:26
injecting Elizabeth with something else, Agomatrine.
16:31
Agomatrine is a drug that
16:33
induces contractions within the uterus
16:35
and Barlow told the investigators that
16:38
at his wife's request he had
16:40
been helping her to end her
16:42
pregnancy. He
16:44
said that Elizabeth found out she was
16:47
pregnant around five weeks prior to her
16:49
death. It was
16:51
not welcome news, she
16:53
told her husband she would rather put her
16:55
head in the oven than have a baby.
16:59
Barlow admitted to taking ampoules of
17:01
Agomatrine from a hospital he had
17:03
been working at until a few
17:05
days before his wife's death and
17:07
injecting her with the drug several times
17:09
in the leader to her passing. The
17:13
forensic and bio-analysts had already checked
17:15
for known abortive medicines in Elizabeth's
17:18
system and they didn't find any,
17:20
nor did Agomatrine produce a reaction
17:22
that would explain what happened to
17:25
Elizabeth. Kenneth
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20:58
had been heard two months
21:00
earlier at a committal hearing
21:02
when prosecutor J.R. Hovul-Furlow Cumming-Bruce
21:04
said that Barlow, a trained
21:07
nurse, had injected his wife
21:09
with insulin at least twice before she
21:11
slipped into a coma and drowned. During
21:16
the trial, Barlow sat in the
21:18
corner of the dock and wept
21:20
openly as the evidence was presented.
21:24
His neighbour Ann Skinner, who had seen Elizabeth
21:26
hours before her death, testified
21:29
Barlow was very much in love with
21:31
his wife and told the court, he
21:35
was kind and considerate towards her right up to the
21:37
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21:40
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21:42
wanted to be rid of her. I
21:44
never heard any rouse. According
21:49
to Ann Skinner, Elizabeth had
21:51
shared her concerns regarding her
21:54
unplanned pregnancy and on May
21:56
3rd, the day she died, Elizabeth
21:58
confided to Ann that she was going
22:00
to take medication that would quote, get
22:03
rid of the baby. Anne
22:06
urged Elizabeth not to do anything dangerous.
22:09
Elizabeth replied, don't
22:12
worry, I won't kill myself.
22:17
Violet Forsythe worked with Elizabeth at
22:20
the laundrette and told the court
22:22
how she seemed dejected in the
22:24
days before her death. Elizabeth
22:27
had admitted to Violet that she didn't
22:29
want any more children as they already
22:32
had 10-year-old Ian at home. Molly
22:36
Jackson, a secretary at Bradford Infirmary
22:38
said from her point of view,
22:41
the couple appeared to be happy. Kenneth
22:44
Barlow had told her about Elizabeth's
22:46
pregnancy, that Elizabeth had been asking
22:48
him if there was anything she
22:50
could take to end it. Molly
22:54
recalled that Barlow had told his wife
22:56
not to think about it. Solicitor
23:04
General Sir Harry Hilton Foster
23:06
QC led the prosecution. He
23:10
told the jury that apart from the
23:12
scientific evidence, there was nothing
23:14
to justify accusing Barlow of the
23:16
killing, but the Crown
23:18
believed the evidence showed that he had
23:21
injected her with insulin. Sir
23:23
Harry added, you may come
23:26
to the conclusion that he had determined she
23:28
should not bear the child she was then
23:30
carrying, but apart from that
23:32
factor, there is no sort
23:34
or kind of reason outwardly why he
23:36
should have desired her death. Solicitor General Solicitor
23:40
Ellen Simpson, a matron at St
23:42
Luke's Hospital where Kenneth Barlow was
23:45
employed as a charge nurse from
23:47
November 1956 to April 1957, said
23:49
his duties included administering injections. Ellen
23:56
told the court that the accused had
23:58
access to insulin. The matron
24:00
explained that there was no strict checking
24:03
of the number of units used as
24:05
it was not classed as a dangerous
24:07
drug, however she did think
24:09
it was important to mention that
24:11
three ampoules of agometrine which was
24:13
a restricted medication did go
24:15
missing from the ward in early April.
24:20
William Corbridge, a charge nurse who
24:22
had worked with Barlow at Bradford
24:24
Infirmary, said that the defendant
24:26
had spoken to him about finding Elizabeth
24:29
in the bath and the investigation into
24:31
her death. Barlow
24:33
described struggling to lift up his
24:36
wife and attempting to revive her
24:38
after draining the water from the
24:40
bathtub. He
24:42
went on to tell William about the
24:45
discovery of insulin in Elizabeth's system but
24:47
he had no explanation for the
24:50
finding. He thought she
24:52
must have been injected by someone else.
24:56
Barlow did however admit to his
24:58
former colleague that he had administered
25:00
agometrine to Elizabeth. He
25:02
said he had warned her about the dangers
25:05
of taking the drug. When
25:07
William asked Barlow if he was sure
25:09
he hadn't used insulin, Barlow
25:12
said he definitely did not as
25:15
it wouldn't bring on a spontaneous
25:17
miscarriage. The
25:21
defense alleged that Barlow had injected
25:23
his wife with agometrine on six
25:25
occasions at the behest of Elizabeth.
25:29
In response, prosecutor Sir Harry told
25:32
the jury. Whether
25:34
he administered agometrine or not, he may
25:36
very well have induced in his wife
25:39
consent to the process of injection and
25:41
undercover of giving her agometrine to get
25:43
rid of the pregnancy,
25:45
injected insulin. The
25:48
final injections can be shown to
25:50
have been insulin. The relevance of
25:52
agometrine to this case is only
25:54
that it explains how he persuaded
25:56
his unfortunate wife to consent to
25:59
the injection. which killed her.
26:04
Nora Hicks, who had worked with Kenneth
26:07
Barlow at St Luke's Hospital in
26:09
April 1957, testified that he had told
26:11
her about a time when Elizabeth had
26:13
passed out in the bath and
26:15
how he had to lift her out
26:18
and revive her. Barlow
26:21
had not told this story to the
26:23
police when Elizabeth drowned and
26:25
the prosecution alleged that he did not
26:27
even attempt CPR when he found her
26:29
in the bath on May 3rd. Her
26:32
body was on its side and
26:34
bath water was still trapped in the crook
26:37
of her arm when the doctor arrived. As
26:40
she had been moved the water would
26:42
have been displaced. Detective
26:45
Sergeant Naylor recalled how Barlow's
26:47
sleeves were dry and said,
26:50
He did not appear to me to
26:52
be particularly upset. There
26:54
were occasional sobs. They
26:57
didn't appear to be genuine. Further
27:01
damning testimony from several of
27:03
Kenneth Barlow's former colleagues followed.
27:07
Harry Stork had worked alongside Barlow
27:09
at a sanitarium in Drifield two
27:11
years prior. He
27:14
recalled a conversation with the accused
27:16
where Barlow had commented, You
27:19
could commit a perfect murder with
27:21
insulin. It could not
27:23
be traced because it dissolves in the
27:25
bloodstream. Joan
27:27
Waterhouse had been a nursing student
27:30
at East Riding General Hospital in
27:32
Drifield when Barlow worked there in
27:34
1954. She
27:37
recalled how he told her, You
27:40
could kill somebody with insulin as it cannot
27:42
be found very easily in the body unless
27:45
it is a very large dose.
27:52
Kenneth Barlow entered the witness box.
27:56
During questioning by his counsel
27:58
Bernard Gillis QC, He
28:00
continued to deny injecting Elizabeth
28:02
with insulin. Barlow
28:04
said he was deeply in love with his
28:06
wife and always would be.
28:10
Gillis told the jury that to convict
28:12
the defendant they would have to be
28:14
sure that it was proven that there
28:16
was insulin in Elizabeth's body, that
28:18
the insulin resulted in a coma that
28:20
led to her drowning and that
28:22
Barlow had been the one to inject her
28:25
with the drug. The
28:28
prosecutor would argue that there was
28:30
enough evidence to exclude a gomitrine
28:33
or natural causes in Elizabeth's death
28:35
and the complex experiments had concluded that
28:38
there was more than enough insulin in
28:40
her system to cause death or a
28:42
coma. As
28:46
he was summing up the case Mr.
28:48
Justice Diplock said that the greatest
28:50
skill and care had been applied
28:52
to find Elizabeth's cause of death.
28:56
Valuable information has been obtained which
28:58
will be of value in other
29:00
cases if other cases
29:02
of this kind shall arise. After
29:09
85 minutes of deliberations
29:12
the jury returned with a verdict on December
29:14
13th 1957. Despite
29:19
insisting that he did not inject
29:21
his wife with insulin, Kenneth
29:24
Barlow was found guilty of
29:26
murdering Elizabeth. Before
29:30
Judge Diplock had a chance to
29:32
pass the sentence Barlow
29:34
called out I did
29:36
not murder my wife. Somewhere
29:39
someone must know something more than
29:41
has come out in this court
29:43
and I would beg leave to
29:45
appeal. Mr.
29:48
Justice Diplock described Elizabeth's
29:50
death as a cold,
29:53
cruel, carefully premeditated murder
29:55
which but for a high degree of
29:58
detective ability would not have been found
30:00
out. Kenneth
30:03
Barlow was sentenced to life
30:05
in prison. So
30:14
where are we now? Kenneth
30:18
Barlow attempted to appeal his
30:20
conviction without success. At
30:24
the time of his release in 1984 he was the second-longest
30:28
serving prisoner in the UK.
30:32
Page 65 Barlow had been
30:34
moved from HMP Kingston to
30:36
Lake Hill open prison near
30:38
Bristol. A
30:41
portion of his sentence was served in
30:43
Wakefield. His
30:45
release had been delayed for weeks
30:48
following an anonymous call from someone
30:50
who felt compelled to report that
30:52
Kenneth Barlow's first wife Nancy had
30:54
also been killed in the same
30:56
manner as Elizabeth. Nancy
30:59
had not died in a bathtub but
31:02
her death was suspicious. She
31:05
was unable to communicate what had happened
31:07
as she was in a coma before
31:09
she passed away. After
31:13
an investigation was undertaken it
31:16
was ruled that Nancy Barlow's
31:18
untimely demise was caused by
31:20
encephalitis. Therefore
31:22
it was agreed that Kenneth Barlow
31:24
could be released on license. A
31:28
friend of Barlow's read Stancliffe who had
31:30
been campaigning for his release and exoneration
31:32
for decades said,
31:36
we talked about freedom and
31:38
he said he did not know if he wanted it now. After
31:43
being incarcerated for so long Barlow
31:46
was eager to be reunited with his son Ian.
31:50
He firmly believed Ian could help
31:53
him prove that he had not
31:55
killed Elizabeth. By then his son had reached
31:57
middle age and had a family. Lee
32:00
off his eye. Ian's
32:02
wife said, ''We have made
32:04
our life away from him. We
32:07
want nothing to do with him in any way at
32:09
all. He has never
32:11
seen his grandchildren, and they are
32:13
unaware of him.'' Ian's
32:16
solicitor added, ''Our client
32:18
was only ten years old at the time
32:21
of this incident. He
32:23
has no information or recollection
32:25
which could assist Mr. Barlow
32:27
in establishing his innocence.'' Kenneth
32:33
Barlow was the first person convicted of
32:35
murder with the use of insulin, but
32:38
many others followed suit. In
32:42
1974, Sister Jesse McTavish, a
32:44
nurse at Rockhill Hospital in
32:46
Glasgow, was convicted of murdering
32:48
an elderly patient with a
32:50
drug. Sister
32:53
McTavish was freed on appeal the
32:55
following year due to a judicial
32:57
error, but her case was used
32:59
in nursing lectures at Dundee University
33:01
and has been said to have
33:04
inspired one former student Colin Norris
33:06
to commit the same crime. During
33:09
a trial in 2008, Norris
33:12
was found guilty by majority
33:14
verdict of murdering four patients.
33:18
The prosecution argued that the
33:20
elderly patient's deaths were due
33:22
to hypoglycemia, which it was
33:24
alleged had been caused by
33:26
insulin injections. Other
33:29
notorious UK cases where insulin was
33:31
used include nurses Beverly Alleth, who
33:34
was convicted of killing four babies
33:36
in 1993, and
33:39
Lucy Letby, who was convicted of killing
33:41
seven babies in August 2023. Letby
33:46
attempted to kill two of her victims
33:49
with insulin, Which was what
33:51
alerted medical staff to her actions.
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