What do you do when your voice gains an audience? Do you rattle cages or open doors? That's what we talk about in this episode.

Scott talks to Anjuan Simmons about the power of lending your privilege, lifting people up by getting out of the way.

Rob talks to April Edwards about being an ally, listening, and shutting up. April's blog post about her health battle can be found here.

Music

The music used for this show is shared, kindly, by the following artists - our thanks to them!

• Zakhar Dziubenko
• SPMusic
• OctoSound
• Alexi Action
• Nine Inch Nails (as always)
• Praz Khanal