0:02

villain. I'm

0:27

Beck. Doug

0:44

Hanson. What do you

0:45

do when you're not climbing, Doug? I deliver the mail.

0:48

First mailman on Everest? Hope so. I like

0:50

that. Sit down, man. Climatize. How's

0:54

the

0:54

weather? It's good. I wish I was with

0:56

you. So today's the day, huh?

0:59

at California wine. wrong.

1:05

version of this story. This is The Oscar Buzz. I'm

1:07

Doug Hanson. I'm Beck. And I'm

1:09

Beck. And I'm Beck. And I'm

1:11

Beck. And I'm Beck. And I'm

1:13

Beck. And I'm Beck. I'm your host, Joe Reed. I'm

1:21

here as always with my supplementary oxygen, Chris Vile. Hello,

1:28

Chris. It feels absolutely wrong

1:32

and rude that we are recording

1:34

this episode in the warmth of our

1:37

homes. And not in

1:39

the tundra. Freezing atop a mountain where

1:42

there are probably still bodies. The audio quality up

1:44

there is probably terrible, though. Yeah, what

1:46

an awful podcast studio. You wouldn't be able

1:48

to hear anything.

1:50

You'd get so many listener complaints being

1:52

like, I hear wind whipping

1:55

into the microphone. I don't know what's going on there. Yeah,

1:57

you just hear like, poor Michael Bavaro.

1:59

Oh

2:03

my god, Michael Bobaro stay

2:05

off of Everest nobody belongs nobody belongs on

2:07

Everest This is where I've come around with from Everest.

2:10

Nobody belongs up there. I absolutely not Hey

2:15

Are you are you the? Intrepid

2:17

mountain climber of us Chris you have the

2:19

no no no I am you

2:22

know I don't see anything fine. I'm Okay,

2:27

we'll just get into my first and first

2:29

impression first primary

2:31

problem even before we invite Katie on to the Well,

2:34

we'll get first impressions listeners understand This

2:38

movie does not Make

2:41

any case I feel

2:44

for why someone would want to

2:46

do this Fundamentally I feel like

2:48

we in the audience should understand

2:51

Why a human being would want

2:53

to go and do this and

2:55

this movie never answers that question Do

2:58

you think that like free solo answers

3:00

that question in a different way? I think

3:04

solo does for as much as I I

3:07

watch free solo and I'm like This

3:09

guy but I'm like, but I like these

3:13

kind of guys exist and like I kind of under Like

3:16

what if there was a weird guy? Mm-hmm

3:19

with giant hands my thing about free solo

3:21

is the only thing I can think of now is after

3:24

free solo is doing the press rounds

3:26

and campaigning for Oscar and so that guy was

3:29

everywhere doing like Variety

3:31

videos and probably a Vanity Fair video

3:33

and and a bunch of different stuff And he's

3:35

like commenting on like rock climbing scenes

3:38

and other movies or whatever and any time

3:40

he would like Be animated or whatever

3:42

and you could see his hands his hands

3:44

are like twice as big as a normal hand

3:47

They're like giant free cans, which

3:49

makes sense Like that's the only kinds of people

3:51

who can probably be good at the

3:54

secret free climbing of a rock because

3:56

you've got a like Really like be able to

3:58

grab on but it's just like all I could do As

4:00

I'm watching him talk, I'm just staring

4:02

at his hands like a weirdo. God

4:04

forbid I ever met him in person. It would

4:06

be very much like my eyes are up here, sir, because

4:08

it would be like I would be staring at his hands. He's

4:11

such a weird dude he wouldn't even notice. I feel like

4:13

you would not be the weird one in that scenario. Yeah, maybe.

4:16

The actors that they cast are the most

4:18

basic white male actors,

4:21

and then Jake Gyllenhaal has long hair. Oh,

4:24

maybe if they cast. Jake Gyllenhaal is the Michael

4:26

Valtagio of this. Like,

4:29

like, I'm a bad boy. Yeah. Yeah,

4:31

we should introduce Katie. We

4:35

should introduce. So back for her, is it fifth movie?

4:39

Is this your fifth movie? I

4:41

have no I honestly let's count them up. You were here for

4:43

the money monster. These

4:47

are not in order. You're here for about time. Lost

4:50

City of Z, which is how we got here. Lost City of

4:52

Z. There was, but

4:54

what was your first one? Pam.

4:56

I feel like the first

4:58

wasn't even your first. The first.

5:00

The first. So this is your sixth movie. The

5:03

theme of Katie Richter's head Oscar

5:05

buzz episodes are expedition. Yeah. Yeah,

5:08

what? Yeah, let's play

5:10

them all together. No, it's generic

5:11

white men. Like,

5:15

it's these cursed games.

5:16

That's true. That's really like,

5:19

that's really narrowed you down and like sort

5:21

of boxed you in a little bit.

5:22

I mean, they're very dear to my heart. Like the

5:24

Garrett Headlands and Charlie Hunnids. Sure. Of

5:27

the world, like really matter to me. I mean,

5:30

you remember how, how Lost City of Z

5:32

led to this, right? I went back and listened to the.

5:33

Oh, no, please let me know because I forget everything.

5:36

So

5:36

we were talking. The game was

5:39

Sienna

5:39

Miller or anyone else. Right.

5:43

And we started talking about Sam Worthington

5:45

and how you couldn't play the Sam Worthington or

5:47

anyone else because no one could remember anything. It

5:49

was whether she was in Everest. Okay.

5:52

Right. Keira Knightley, who will come to. Yeah.

5:55

And I defended Everest. I said, not bad movie. And

5:57

then it was just determined that

5:58

we would do Everest. So here we are.

6:00

I mean, Everest is perfect for

6:02

that strain of Katie Rich

6:05

movie, which is throw as many

6:07

sort of character actors of

6:10

all the same age, all with

6:13

the same kind of beard, essentially, just

6:15

throw them in the same movie and let

6:18

them bounce off each other for a while. And that's kind

6:20

of what Everest is.

6:21

And we'll have a lot of time to talk about this, but I feel like I've been

6:23

in Jason Clark Defender for a really long

6:24

time. I also think that makes spiritual

6:27

sense. That makes a lot of spiritual sense to me. The

6:29

weirdest

6:29

thing to me watching this, and I might

6:31

have missed someone, is that he is the only Oppenheimer

6:34

cast member in Everest because you feel like

6:36

it's a one-to-one action

6:37

for the cast. That's incredible.

6:39

That's absolutely incredible. It feels like there should

6:41

be more. Michael Kelly has no

6:43

business not being an Oppenheimer. Michael

6:46

Kelly has to be an Oppenheimer. Well,

6:48

no, because Michael Kelly, this is

6:50

the era when Michael Kelly got

6:53

to do small parts and movies because

6:55

of House of Cards and the TV. Yeah.

6:59

No, it's true. I'm back at IMDB. I

7:01

wonder what he's up to. We'll get there. And

7:04

the inverse is true. So many people in Oppenheimer

7:06

should have been in Mississippi. Matt Damon. Matt

7:09

Damon. Who was your

7:11

favorite from Oppenheimer, Chris? Macon

7:14

Blair. Oh, yeah. Incredible

7:17

Macon Blair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Although

7:20

he has

7:20

the vibe of someone who's sensible enough

7:22

not to do

7:22

this. David Crumholtz should have

7:24

been somebody's agent

7:27

back home or something like that. No, I would love to be in

7:29

Crumholtz. He should have been Crumholtz's book agent on the phone. He was

7:31

over there hanging out with Peach Weathers when he was from

7:33

over there. Yeah, he was the editor at whatever magazine Crumholtz

7:36

was writing this for. Yeah.

7:39

Okay, you bring up Crumholtz. How

7:41

weird is it that

7:43

Michael Kelly plays John Crumholtz

7:45

and this movie has nothing to do with Crumholtz's

7:48

Everest book? Well, that's,

7:51

yes, we should talk about that at the beginning

7:53

because that sort of gets into the inception

7:55

of this book. So the movie is based on

7:57

this, like, you know, obviously incredibly. infamous

8:00

disaster on Everest that

8:03

happened in 1996. And

8:09

Krakauer is there covering

8:12

it for, I believe, a magazine. And I can't remember

8:14

what magazine. Outside magazine. Thank you, Katie.

8:16

See? See? This

8:18

is the perfect track. A magazine all about the things

8:21

you can do outside. And so when it goes so

8:23

wrong, he ends

8:26

up writing the book into thin air, which

8:29

is, if not his first

8:31

big breakthrough, like it was his biggest breakthrough

8:33

to date. Like it was a huge success

8:36

for him. And it's sort of like, I feel like every time you

8:38

see him mentioned, like that's the book that's

8:41

in parentheses after his name is into thin

8:43

air, even though the first one that I had read

8:45

from him was Under the Banner of Heaven, which I think

8:47

is a tremendous and terrifying

8:49

book. Has also now become adapted

8:52

to the screen and something that everyone will forget

8:54

immediately. I am the one defender.

8:56

I'm the big Under the Banner of Heaven TV miniseries

8:59

defender. My sister was just defending

9:01

it to me today. I think it's incredibly

9:04

well done. I really liked it a lot. I love Andrew

9:06

Garfield, but I can't hear you there. Speaking of

9:08

Sam Worthington. Terrifying

9:11

in that. But yes. It

9:14

is just wild to me that Krakauer

9:16

is not credited in any way

9:19

or like this is not mentioned as

9:21

an ad hoc. Because they tried to make a movie out of

9:23

that. And it ended up being this like TV

9:25

movie with Peter Horton from 30 something.

9:28

And then Baltazar, not Krakauer,

9:31

but KormaKor made

9:34

the movie and they were like very adamant

9:36

that they were like, this is not based on Krakauer's

9:39

book. Like this is based on

9:41

other sources and whatever. But

9:44

I think very. But they still have the rights. Like, it's

9:46

just plain and simple. Right. Yes.

9:49

But because he was an actual person who was actually there, like

9:51

they couldn't prevent them

9:54

from like naming

9:56

him in it or whatever. Yeah. I

9:59

don't remember there being like. actual like you

10:01

know conflict in the adaptation

10:03

process it was just like no it's not based on this book it's

10:05

based on yeah I guess by the time

10:08

it came out everyone's like let's

10:09

just not fight about this although I definitely

10:11

like read Into Thin Air to prepare for

10:13

I was doing it really for this movie yeah

10:15

I had never read it not for this podcast

10:17

you okay at the time I was doing a

10:19

movie which we can get into yeah

10:22

so I read Into Thin Air to kind of know what I was talking about

10:25

good book

10:26

I'd never read it but now I want to certainly after

10:29

I'd seen Everest before but after seeing it the

10:31

second time I think I don't

10:33

remember how much I liked it the first time I

10:36

just

10:37

first impression like

10:38

I really like not really I

10:41

walked away from this being like I was really compelled

10:43

by this by the end there

10:46

the beginning of the movie I'm just sort of like I can't

10:48

tell anybody apart they're all they all

10:50

have like you know winter face

10:52

coverings and they all have to take off their

10:54

goggles as much as they can there's

10:56

no under beard all the time I can't really

10:58

you know tell all these like very sort of similar

11:00

looking people apart except for Jake Gyllenhaal and then

11:03

by the end I'm just kind of like riveted

11:06

by what's going on and I imagined

11:11

that must have been the case plus also the fact

11:13

that I was seeing it on a big screen when I saw it on a big

11:15

screen which must have you know terrified

11:17

me all the more so I ended up really liking

11:20

ever did you see it an I max 3d

11:22

I saw it at the at

11:25

the AMC Lincoln Square

11:27

but I don't think I saw it on the IMAX screen

11:29

that was the one IMAX screen it

11:32

is the one real IMAX screen in New York City but that was the

11:34

one ride was I was at something at Lincoln

11:36

Center I was like meeting somebody at Lincoln Center

11:39

or something or maybe it was around the

11:42

New York Film Festival actually and

11:44

I just remember being like in the area and

11:46

I had some time and I looked up showtimes

11:48

and they're like oh Everest is starting I should go see Everest

11:51

and that was why I saw Everest that day yeah

11:53

but at the

11:54

at the Bryant Park screening room which is where

11:56

Joe and I saw salt

11:57

burn together that's true

11:59

not really

11:59

IMAX 3D vibe in that

12:02

room? No. So I didn't

12:04

get the full experience I guess.

12:05

No. What did we hear? We

12:08

were seeing salt burn and

12:10

there was like some kind

12:12

of like, oh you know what it was?

12:14

It was, I think in my

12:16

head what I had made that sound

12:19

was the popcorn machine popping the popcorn, you

12:21

know, because they put the popcorn and I was

12:23

like I couldn't for the life of me understand what

12:25

this like pop pop pop pop pop pop sound was and

12:28

I'm like is this like surface

12:30

street like no than a speaker

12:33

dying. Yeah right. I

12:35

also I saw the salt burn trailer again the red

12:38

band salt burn trailer before Killers of the Moon.

12:40

There's a red band trailer? I don't think

12:42

there's a non I don't think there's a non-red band

12:44

trailer. I think I'd be in a trailer in a theater

12:46

and it was definitely not red band. Oh okay well then

12:49

they there's a red band trailer. Did I just say

12:52

fuck once or? I think so because

12:54

it's like okay they don't show any of the nudity. But

12:59

even having Katie we saw that movie together

13:01

and I remember being like oh that was fun

13:03

but I have like x y and z problems with it and

13:06

watching the trailer I'm like I can't wait to see this again.

13:09

So like you can see

13:11

it now as this episode drops it opens

13:14

the week of Thanksgiving. I might shoot my shot and say

13:16

I'm gonna call that for this at Oscar Best

13:18

episode in 2028 or whatever. Yeah

13:20

I don't I do not see that as an Oscar nominee.

13:23

Sorry Rosamund Pike you are awesome. That'll be a fun one to

13:25

talk about. It will be a very fun one. Four years.

13:27

Yes for sure. We love talking about Barry.

13:30

Oh yeah. Oh we'll have plenty

13:32

to talk about that. He also could be in Everest. Yeah yeah

13:35

also should be in Everest. How so he would have

13:37

been like he would have been a young in here. He'd be pretty young.

13:40

He and Mia Goth could have been me rolling.

13:42

Oh my god. I text

13:45

our group chat in all caps Mia

13:47

Goth because at that point you're already

13:50

just like oh my god. Oh my god.

13:52

Every time someone shows

13:54

up. This person is it. I fully missed

13:57

Vanessa Kirby. I will have to admit that. I

13:59

was gonna bring

13:59

I pulled it up on Wikipedia and was like,

14:02

excuse me? Vanessa

14:04

Kirby as Malibu Barbie on

14:06

Everest. The

14:08

wig that they give her with the

14:11

silk ribbon in her hair. So

14:16

she's the one in Gyllenhaal's expedition who's

14:18

on the phone the whole time?

14:20

Exactly. She's on the phone the whole time.

14:22

She has to get rest, just get pulled down the mountain. There's a whole, there's a Vanity

14:24

Fair story from 1997 about that. There's

14:26

always a Vanity Fair story from the 90s about

14:28

stuff like this. I love that. Yeah,

14:30

for that, she's an interesting

14:32

figure, but I

14:34

absolutely miss it. Wasn't it the thing where we were trying

14:36

to figure out what

14:39

people were talking about when they said

14:41

the gay mafia? And

14:44

then we looked it up and it was like there was a Vanity Fair story

14:47

from the 90s that explained it? Michael

14:50

Ovets had said that the gay,

14:52

it was a joke in the Oscars. That's right. We

14:55

were doing our Oscars episode of Little Gold Men.

14:57

And we were like, where did the idea that there's a

14:59

gay mafia come from? And it was Michael Ovets. He

15:02

said in

15:02

a magazine to a reporter,

15:05

knowing he was on the record, that the gay mafia

15:07

had run him out of Hollywood.

15:09

People just said things like

15:11

that back then. And he meant like David

15:13

Geffen and his friends or whatever. But that's

15:16

so funny. Well, like, well, I guess that in his friends were

15:19

like, damn, right we did. Michael Ovets might have

15:21

been better off if the gay mafia had run him

15:23

out of Hollywood, like what's

15:26

her face is going to take him down, the great Julia

15:28

Ormond, right? Isn't he part of that whole the

15:31

CIA thing, the complaints that she's... This

15:33

is where I'm going to be forced to admit that I have

15:35

like CIA blinkers where I see the CZA,

15:38

CIA and I'm like, all right, which one is Emmanuel?

15:40

I know CAA. I don't remember. I

15:43

know CAA is Michael Ovets's, at

15:45

least was initially Michael Ovets's agency

15:48

because I watched the late shift so many

15:51

times, the TV movie about

15:53

the Letterman and Leno thing. And

15:56

I watched that a ton because it used to be on Comedy

15:58

Central all the time. And

16:00

so I remember very specifically treat Williams

16:02

played Michael Ovitz and he had just started CAA

16:05

and he was very heavily courting David Letterman And

16:08

I can be learned. I have learned so much more about Hollywood back

16:10

then if I'd been watching better late-night TV All

16:15

right, so Chris why don't you pitch

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should be outraged if you weren't.

18:31

Very excited to get into this. I

18:33

especially am excited to get into Katie, your

18:35

connection to that. Maybe we should go into that before we

18:38

jump into the plot. So

18:40

you covered this in your capacity

18:42

at CinemaBlend?

18:43

No, so I was at Vanity Fair by then. You were already

18:46

at Vanity Fair. And this was back

18:48

in early days in 2015. And

18:50

at that point if you worked for the website, like you sort

18:52

of existed at Vanity Fair and sort of didn't. So

18:55

anytime that the people in the magazine

18:56

would pay attention to us, for me specifically,

18:58

I was like, oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Sure.

19:01

Yeah. At this point, they had all these photos

19:03

that Greg Williams had, Greg Williams is a

19:06

pretty famous photographer. He goes to Venice every year and like

19:08

hangs out with celebrities. He has, you know, photo

19:10

books, everything else. He had taken photos

19:13

on the set of Everest. And

19:16

they were going to run it as a spotlight in

19:18

the

19:18

October issue or whenever it was.

19:20

I think by the time they were looking for me, it was already

19:22

like, it might just be a web only thing. But I

19:24

didn't really know that. So I was like, I might get a print assignment.

19:27

Let's see how this goes. And I think I wrote

19:29

up like a very like short print

19:32

style write up for it. You can still find it if you

19:34

google my name in Everest, I think you

19:36

find it. I mean, there are very interesting photos from the

19:38

set of Josh Brolin and Jason Clark

19:41

and Jake and everybody. And

19:43

so I interviewed, let's see, I'm looking through, I interviewed

19:45

Josh Brolin, interviewed Jason Clark. I guess I talked

19:47

to Baltasar Cormacor, you know, for like a 400

19:50

word write up that now exists.

19:52

So from the set, because we know

19:54

that they did some of this stuff, obviously, close

19:57

to location, and then they did the rest of their filming.

20:00

in London, I believe,

20:02

right? Yeah.

20:03

I mean, I'm looking at these photos are

20:05

like, of some like very, very large sound stages

20:07

where they've like built, you know, like, gotcha. Yeah.

20:11

Mountain. They were in Nepal and the

20:14

Alps in Italy and then kind of would

20:16

studios in

20:17

London, in London. They found this thing. Yeah.

20:20

Not bad. I will say like, the

20:23

location stuff.

20:25

I who am not like great at this stuff, admittedly,

20:28

but like, I don't think I could tell

20:30

you which stuff was besides

20:33

obviously like the wide shots and whatever, like

20:35

what stuff was the three of action.

20:37

And we've done multiple, multiple

20:41

climbs of Everest. We know what it looks like.

20:43

Well, we know that we know we can

20:46

say that it looks authentic. If it

20:47

was filmed on the moon, you know, it wasn't really the

20:49

moon, but like the camera can super add and being like,

20:51

Oh, which parts real and which parts fake? I feel like it does

20:54

capture that. Like, I don't really know what this looks like.

20:56

But I, you know, the camera starts behind

20:58

Jason Clark and soops around

21:00

and you see the storm that's coming in front of him. And

21:02

you're like, Oh, shit,

21:02

I don't know how they did that. But it fooled

21:04

me. One of the things that I found out in

21:06

my research for this episode

21:09

is

21:09

a lot of the spots on the mountain that they

21:12

were at don't exist in

21:14

the way that they did anymore because

21:17

of an earthquake that happened

21:19

in I think around the time that the movie

21:21

came out, like around 2015 or whatever. And so like

21:24

that whole like Hillary step that they keep talking

21:26

about doesn't exist anymore because of an earthquake

21:29

in Nepal. And there have also

21:31

been like avalanches

21:33

and stuff like that. So like the actual terrain

21:36

that this event happened

21:38

on like doesn't exist in that way anymore. So

21:42

maybe one of the things that like, Oh,

21:45

am I going to a place where like, it's

21:47

so volatile that like this thing might not

21:49

actually exist anymore? And maybe tell

21:52

me get out. The

21:55

earth is sometimes when they're like, Hey, so

21:58

the environment can't support human life

22:01

above this elevation. Which is basically

22:03

what Elizabeth DeBicke says at the beginning of this

22:05

movie. So you're gonna be going north of

22:08

where you won't have

22:10

the oxygen to live. And

22:13

just be aware of that. Your body will slowly

22:15

start to die. Yeah, I think that's

22:17

what Jason Clark says. Like you get up here and you are literally

22:20

dying.

22:20

Your body is in the process of dying while

22:22

you're here. And they're like, yep, great. I

22:23

paid a ton of money to do this, I'm in.

22:26

Well, after we get to the plot description,

22:28

I want to talk about the kinds of characters

22:32

who are in this and

22:34

the actors who they've gotten to play these

22:36

characters. Because I do think it's a pretty well-cast

22:38

movie for that. And also

22:40

the people who are- I think it's a well-cast movie for characters

22:42

that are not very defined. I

22:46

think the casting goes a long way to helping

22:48

to define these characters too in a certain

22:51

way, which is nice. And

22:53

I think also we can talk about the

22:55

ones who are either at base camp. I

22:58

think Emily Watson is so good in this movie,

23:01

genuinely. I feel like we get too few

23:03

opportunities to really see her kind

23:05

of- After breaking

23:07

the waves, I think that was like, she's

23:10

never really gotten a role that even approaches

23:13

that kind of thing. And I haven't seen- Hillary and Jackie,

23:15

how dare you? Well, Hillary and Jackie

23:17

do, but I've never seen Chernobyl.

23:19

And I know she's supposed to be quite good. Oh, God,

23:22

yeah, she's great on Chernobyl. Yeah, but

23:24

I think she's gonna- Honestly, post COVID though, I'm

23:26

not sure I would tell you to watch Chernobyl. It's

23:28

so grim about government functions. Chernobyl's one

23:30

of those things that people watched in- I

23:33

know. I know. That

23:35

and contagion were the

23:38

two things that I'm like, why is this your quarantine

23:40

movie thing? I

23:41

watched it in 2019, or like right before it

23:44

would have

23:44

felt far more relevant than- I got into

23:46

watching YouTube videos of marble races.

23:49

And other people are like, I'm gonna watch contagion in

23:51

Chernobyl. I'm like, Jesus Christ. All

23:55

right, Katie, I'm gonna read the specifics

23:58

about Everest and then we're gonna get- Okay. 60-second

24:00

plot description from you, so get ready. We

24:03

are talking about the 2015 film Everest, directed

24:06

by Baltasar Kormachor,

24:10

according to the accent mark over the A, written

24:13

by William Nicholson and Simon Beaufoy,

24:15

starring Jason Clark, Jake Gyllenhaal,

24:18

Josh Brolin, John Hawkes, Martin

24:20

Henderson, Elizabeth Debicki, Emily Watson,

24:22

Michael Kelly, Sam Worthington, Robin

24:25

Wright, Robin Wright's accent, and Keira

24:27

Knightley. And we will,

24:30

this premiered, world premiered at the Venice

24:33

Film Festival on September 2nd, 2015. We'll talk

24:35

about that. Open to the Venice Film Festival. Sure

24:37

did. Then opened in limited

24:40

release on September 18th, 2015 in IMAX theaters, and

24:43

then went wide the week after that, September

24:45

25th, 2015. Katie,

24:47

I'm going to grab my stopwatch. Are

24:51

you prepared? Who can ever

24:53

possibly be prepared? No, I'm not prepared

24:56

for climbing Everest nor for this. All

24:58

right. Well, if you want

25:00

to begin, we can start now.

25:03

Okay, so it's May 1996. You've got a bunch

25:05

of rich people who want to climb Everest, but you mostly need

25:07

to know about two groups. There's Mount Madness led

25:09

by Scott Fisher. He's Jake Gyllenhaal. He's shirtless

25:12

and a wild man. And then you've got adventure consultants.

25:14

That's Rob Hall, the Jason Clark. He's a nice New Zealand

25:16

guy with a pregnant wife at home, played by Karen Knightley. Wife

25:19

on phone. Just remember that. They're

25:21

trying to go climb Everest. There's all these different logistical challenges.

25:24

Rob's group is the main one we know. There's a Texan

25:26

who's brash, Josh Brolin. There's a mailman who

25:28

is nice, and it's John Hawk. John Krakauer is in

25:30

there. And they're all trying to get up to Everest.

25:33

On the day that they're actually climbing, it gets crowded.

25:35

There's all these various complications. Some people have

25:37

to give up, didn't have enough oxygen. Some people

25:39

go crazy and take off all their clothes. And then

25:41

a storm starts to show up, and Rob finds

25:43

himself up at the top of the mountain with the John Hawks

25:46

guy. He's trying to get down. Jake

25:48

Gyllenhaal, Scott Fisher, keeps going up and down, trying to

25:50

help people. Everyone is in a big fucking

25:52

huge mess. 10 seconds. The next morning, a bunch

25:55

of them have died on the mountain. Beck

25:57

Weathers attacks him. Somehow he survives with the worst

25:59

frostbite he's in your life and then John Grackhauer

26:02

goes and writes a book about it. But we don't see that part because

26:03

they didn't have the rights.

26:05

Two seconds over, Katie Rich. Excellent

26:07

job. Well done. It's a lot of

26:09

stuff I thought I was going to get into. You know what? You're totally

26:11

fine. Basically all of these

26:14

characters who are real people,

26:16

so not to be glib about it, but basically

26:18

this is a movie where almost everyone

26:20

dies. I

26:23

had seen this movie before and so I'm watching

26:25

it again and I remembered that

26:28

a lot of the people died. I also remembered, I knew

26:30

that Brolin's character survived.

26:33

I remembered that part. And so I'm looking

26:35

at the Wikipedia page and you know the thing where you can

26:37

like hover over a hyperlink and it'll

26:39

like give you like the top note like paragraph

26:42

or whatever. And so I'm going through the characters

26:44

names and all the top notes are like such

26:46

and such was a such and such

26:49

was a and I'm like, oh God, like, and it is

26:52

almost all of the main characters who go up the

26:54

mountain do not come back down the mountain. It

26:57

really is crack hour and and

26:59

Josh Brolin's characters are like the only two main

27:02

ones. Everybody else freezes up

27:04

there. And Josh Brolin comes back and he

27:06

loses a nose in both of his hands from

27:09

Brolin. Both of his hands. Yeah. Oh

27:11

my God. I want to talk about- If Gyllenhaal gets

27:13

the and credit, you expect him to die much

27:15

sooner than he does because of that. You

27:18

do. Well,

27:19

he's not in that. I mean, maybe he is like he's just so

27:21

not the like focus of the

27:23

story, especially by the time the action

27:25

really starts. And it's interesting because from

27:27

what I read about the crack

27:29

hour book that he

27:33

sort of talks about like not

27:35

lays the blame out, but like definitely, you know,

27:38

brings up the rivalry between these

27:40

two companies as a thing that helps

27:42

contribute to the deaths because

27:45

they were trying to best

27:47

each other and trying to maybe push things a

27:49

little too far and like brought too

27:51

many people up at the same time and didn't

27:53

want to like, you know, space themselves out.

27:55

So they bottlenecked at the one spot and

27:58

all this stuff. And so there's definitely- differently in

28:00

John Krakauer's book, more, I'll

28:03

say blame, yeah, like left at the feet

28:06

of both the Rob Hall character, Jason

28:08

Clark, and Scott Fisher, who is

28:10

Jillian Hall, for being

28:13

reckless, being sort of like this kind of

28:16

problematic male, you know, drive

28:18

to, and it's like, it's not all men, like,

28:21

what's her name? And then,

28:26

the had climbed six of the seven

28:29

major peaks in the world, and this was her seventh and she

28:31

made it as soon as, I will say, that

28:34

was the one where the score really like

28:36

cheated a little bit. And as soon as Jason Clark's like,

28:39

I'm so proud of you, you did this,

28:41

and like, I'm like, Oh, she's

28:44

so, she's not gonna make it.

28:47

Because the one of the things that I liked

28:49

best about this, and I thought was so terrifying

28:52

is John Hawke's character and Martin

28:54

Henderson's character, both of those characters

28:56

essentially just like fall

28:59

slash stumble down the

29:01

jump, and both of those things happen

29:04

without any like musical sting

29:06

to it. Like all of a sudden, Hawke's in

29:08

the background of a shot, and you know something's gonna happen

29:10

because they close up on him, unhooking his

29:12

carabiner or whatever. But he's like,

29:14

you can't tell whether he's got like mountain madness,

29:17

or he just doesn't quite know where he is. And

29:19

he's trying to like, call

29:22

to Jason Clark, and he's behind him, and he's sort

29:24

of trying to grasp at the rope, and then he just falls,

29:27

and he's gone. And Martin Henderson does

29:29

the thing that Elizabeth DeBicki warned about is like, some people

29:31

have, you know, tried

29:33

to take off all their clothes because they think

29:36

it's too hot or whatever. And Henderson

29:38

does that, like takes his jacket off or whatever, and then

29:40

like, just sort of slips and falls,

29:42

and he's, and then he's gone. I'm like, there's

29:45

nothing, there's no look over the side. It's

29:47

just so sudden and so blunt,

29:50

and it's really, I think,

29:52

very effective, those two parts.

29:54

And didn't make you sit there thinking, Jesus Christ,

29:56

why would anybody ever do this?

29:59

I'm saying mountain madness

30:02

same thing as festival fever. So it's like

30:05

The altitude sickness is exactly what happens

30:07

at the Telluride film festival. Yeah John

30:10

Hawk character could not stop raving

30:12

about me and Earl and the dying girl. I don't understand

30:15

it But like he was really into

30:17

that movie. So All right

30:24

climbers come back down to base

30:26

camp for a second we're gonna take a break from

30:28

our Everest talk Katie's

30:32

gonna Take a bathroom

30:34

break or something. I don't know Katie's not here with us. We're recording

30:37

this several weeks later We're

30:39

here like a whole month later, basically

30:41

truthfully. Yes We're

30:44

here for our Vulture fantasy movie league update

30:46

for the week I'm Still

30:50

waiting for the awards

30:52

portion of the year to kick in the Gotham

30:55

Awards will be given out on November

30:57

27th. That'll be the next thing the independent spirit

31:00

awards not long after that But

31:02

for now, we are dealing with box office.

31:04

I will say Chris starting

31:07

the league earlier this year and Box

31:10

office being a little bit more I think by the time

31:12

we started last year the only movies that really

31:14

had any box office impact at all Were

31:17

it was literally I think there were literally

31:20

like five movies at all that made any

31:22

kind of points box office wise because of

31:24

the lateness of the way we started and the thresholds

31:27

that we have set it was like Avatar and

31:29

Black Panther and then like Was

31:32

the David Harbor movie called violent night? Yes,

31:36

because that was like a dollar buy or something

31:38

last and that movie made like a little bit

31:40

of money over the threshold But

31:43

nobody picked it because who would pick it for

31:45

you know, a thing where you get points for awards So

31:48

it was very very two-dimensional. It was very

31:50

limited this season. I will say

31:52

I'm really enjoying the Multidimensionality

31:56

of the box office stuff because right now

31:59

you're seeing a lot lot of people who

32:02

kind of rocketed to the top of the standings

32:04

on the backs of having multiples

32:07

of The Exorcist and Saw

32:11

X and do

32:14

people call it Saw X or Saw X?

32:16

It's one of those things where I realized I've only ever seen it

32:18

in print. I'm like, I'm just, Saw

32:20

X makes more sense, right? You say Saw X

32:23

to me and you know, it's,

32:25

it's, I don't know. That,

32:27

that movie title, whatever, the movie's

32:30

existence is like, you know, dogs

32:32

not being able to hear a certain level. I don't acknowledge

32:34

that. I don't endorse, I don't acknowledge

32:36

everybody doing Saw rewatches this year

32:39

to go see that movie. I'm like, these are

32:41

all bad movies. Projects are fun. Projects are fun.

32:44

But then you get something like Five Nights at Freddy's, which

32:46

I think has made enough money to

32:50

offset the idea that like, well, this is

32:52

just sort of empty calories. This movie's not going

32:54

to be anything once the awards start kicking in. I

32:56

think something like Five Nights at Freddy's has made enough

32:59

money so far. Do you know what

33:01

I mean? Where, where

33:03

it's starting to matter. And like Taylor Swift's,

33:06

the era's tour is another one where

33:08

it's like, it's made enough money so far

33:11

that it's really impacting what

33:14

the, the standings are now.

33:16

And I think the standings will be going

33:19

forward. I no longer think that box office,

33:21

I went for a zero box office strategy for

33:23

my roster and I'm now thinking I probably

33:25

made a mistake that I should have drafted Taylor or Five

33:28

Nights at Freddy's or something, even something

33:30

like Killers of the Flower Moon, which ... Killers

33:33

of the Flower Moon, which is going to be like

33:35

probably in the top five Scorsese grocers

33:37

by the end of the day. I think, yeah, I was going to say by

33:39

the end is today, by the end of it's run, it'll probably be

33:41

in the top like two or three, right? No,

33:44

I don't think that movie has a chance at hitting

33:47

a hundred, but like all of the

33:49

Scorsese movies that have made a hundred million dollars

33:51

are very recent.

33:53

It's, it's the three Leos, I believe

33:56

are the only Scorsese that have passed. Which

33:58

is Shutter Island. The

34:01

Departed and Wolf of Wall

34:03

Street. Oh, Wolf of Wall Street, I forget that

34:05

one, right. But still, it's going to be right up there. We

34:09

are dealing with the most lucrative

34:11

Sofia Coppola movie since

34:14

lost in translation in general, but in some metrics

34:17

at all. This is the first time Sofia Coppola has ever showed

34:19

up in the top five of a box office ever.

34:22

And she's done it two weekends in a row now. The

34:25

Holdovers in Limited is off to

34:27

a good start. There's

34:31

potential there for box office points in the long

34:33

game, I think. I don't know if it's ever going to be

34:36

busting the bank on

34:38

a weekend chart, but I think

34:40

over time, that's a movie that'll probably

34:42

still be in theaters through January

34:45

of modest audiences still

34:47

going to see it. We have probably,

34:50

unfortunately, passed the era

34:52

of the Oscar nominations giving

34:55

box office boosts to movies. I think

34:57

the studios have even

35:00

like the indie studios and even the

35:02

major studios have just

35:04

decided that those movies

35:06

by the time Oscar nominations come out will

35:09

probably be on VOD

35:11

and they'll be trying to recoup their money

35:14

that way. I don't think we're ever going to see

35:16

again the idea of a movie

35:19

getting a bump from advertisements

35:23

that say nominated for eight Academy Awards

35:25

or something like that, which is too bad. But

35:27

anyway, so last week's big news

35:30

was that the Marvels completely

35:32

bombed, which do your little dance,

35:34

Chris, that the MCU

35:36

finally crashed and

35:38

burned. I will do a little dance. I'm not doing

35:41

a little dance about it. With anything like

35:43

the Marvels is probably more of

35:45

what I would want of the MCU

35:48

that it's not so reliant on.

35:50

Though I mean, I guess it is and it

35:52

isn't because it's so reliant on knowledge of the

35:54

TV shows, which is, I think, a huge

35:57

part of why it's not so successful. But

35:59

like. everybody I've talked to that's seen

36:01

it feels like the movie feels more like

36:03

one-off, like it's not so hugely connected

36:05

to some giant narrative and like That

36:08

is more of what I want. It's also just I think

36:11

it's a fun You

36:13

know action like the action scenes

36:15

I think are really largely well done

36:18

I think the character dynamics between the

36:20

three leads are really fun I

36:22

think yes the more that I sort of hear people

36:25

talk about it. I do like There

36:27

there is backstory there that

36:30

comes from Wanda vision

36:32

and Miss Marvel and and that

36:34

kind of thing. So yes, I think

36:36

in general though I think it's one of those things where Box

36:41

office isn't in an

36:43

indicator of a Movie

36:45

like a box office opening weekend is not an

36:47

indicator of a movie's quality. It can't

36:50

be you know what I mean People haven't read it

36:52

yet. What it is though is

36:54

it's the Marvel's had to reap rewards

36:57

or the whatever the punishments of Your

37:01

love and thunders your quantum manias

37:03

your movies Yeah People did go see and

37:05

were disappointed by and and general

37:08

fatigue and like it's sort of a perfect storm And

37:10

it's also like not to lean on it too heavily But

37:13

it is the idea that like there is a not

37:15

insignificant portion of the comic

37:18

book movie watching audience who

37:20

feel like Resentful

37:22

towards a movie with three female

37:25

leads and a black female director

37:27

and they feel like you know Marvel's

37:29

too woke and yada yada yada Which

37:32

I don't want to give those people more credit than they deserve

37:34

but there is you know, it's an element

37:37

that you see Keep them in

37:39

an underground bunker and let them go to a movie

37:41

ever again anyway But

37:44

anyway, so the Marvel's is kind of cratering but

37:48

Coming along up, you know the next

37:50

weekend Is the idea that maybe

37:52

you know the idea that franchises

37:55

should be allowed to sort of die is gonna

37:59

get a little bit of pushback because to my great

38:01

surprise, this Hunger Games prequel

38:04

is not only tracking pretty well,

38:07

but the reviews have

38:09

been way better than I thought

38:11

it was going to be. Like, from people who I would

38:13

have never expected to be

38:15

sort of, you know, soft on this kind

38:19

of a movie. So it's not like it's coming from just

38:21

like the usual sycophantic, you know, reaction

38:24

press or whatever. I will say I

38:26

think some of that is diminished expectations,

38:28

severely diminished expectations, because I currently

38:31

am reading The Hunger Games colon,

38:33

The Ballad of Jack and Diane. And

38:36

it is... You're reading the book. Very boring.

38:39

I find it so boring. I can't

38:41

even like pick it back up because I would much rather

38:43

listen to like Barbara audiobook.

38:46

We can't get into that yet. We'll

38:49

get into it at some point. Oh, we

38:51

sure will. I

38:55

guess I'm not super surprised

38:58

that it's doing well. It is a Francis

39:00

Lawrence movie and Francis Lawrence knows how

39:02

to make these movies. Sure. You

39:05

know what I mean? Like for as much as Mockingjay was whatever,

39:07

like Catching Fire, I think was a great, you

39:09

know, a great version of

39:11

a Hunger Games movie. Yeah. Yeah.

39:15

Having rewatched these movies for no good goddamn reason. Catching

39:17

Fire is making fun of the Saw people

39:19

and here you are rewatching all the Hunger Games.

39:23

The Hunger Games is at least have a bona fide

39:25

movie star at the head of it. Okay.

39:28

Sorry. Sorry,

39:30

Costas Mandalore or

39:34

Shawn E. Smith. You're getting

39:36

Catching Strays from Chris Biles. But

39:39

anyway, so Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes

39:41

is looking

39:44

like at least the story on this one is going to

39:46

be well. There's a possibility

39:49

that it could have a little bit of legs on good

39:51

word of mouth from critics. You

39:54

imagine, you know, audiences may

39:56

fall a suit and people

39:59

seem to like. Our

40:01

benediction pal Tom Blythe,

40:04

he seems to be getting a lot of red

40:08

carpet attention, which is good. Wearing

40:10

a day top apparently. The Zoomers love their

40:12

Rachel Zegler, as

40:15

you well know. It's got a

40:17

star from Euphoria in there, which all things

40:19

that to be successful among the youth, you have to

40:22

have someone from Euphoria. That is the new rule. So

40:27

good on Hunter Schafer for bringing

40:30

their magical Euphoria dust. I

40:36

think the magical Euphoria dust is ketamine.

40:39

Right. I have seen enough episodes

40:41

of Euphoria to know that the magical Euphoria

40:44

dust is ketamine. What

40:48

a stressful show. Okay, I do

40:50

want to loop back. If we're talking box

40:52

office points this week, I do

40:54

want to loop back a little bit to the Marvels

40:57

and point out that the

41:00

death bells

41:03

that are being rung for the MCU

41:05

right now in terms of

41:07

people are like, this is going to be the first Marvel movie

41:09

to not make 100 million dollars. A

41:12

lot of that, and it's also Disney,

41:15

a lot of that

41:18

kind of reporting happened after the first weekend

41:20

of Elemental this summer because it

41:22

made this shocking

41:25

opening for a Pixar movie. I

41:28

think it was like 28 or 27

41:31

million the week that it opened, and it legged

41:33

out to 150 million dollar

41:36

opening. And I think that is probably $150

41:38

billion total. Yes,

41:41

yes. Just

41:43

domestic. I think that that

41:45

is to me

41:47

the likely future for the Marvels because

41:50

the way Disney contracts work, these

41:52

movies stay in theaters for a long time. And

41:54

I think people over

41:56

the holidays, there

41:59

will be people that show up to these movies, this

42:01

movie. Listen, the theaters can only keep

42:03

Wonka out of so many rooms, so

42:06

you gotta give Wonka space to spread

42:08

his wings. I don't want to. My transition

42:10

into being fully pro-Wonka

42:13

has been a delightful- You have Wonka-pop-timism.

42:16

I have very much Wonka-pop-timism. I

42:18

do. I will fully admit. Which

42:21

is funny because I'm not a Paddington person,

42:24

so it's not like I don't know- And you're not a- you

42:26

liked him at the Chalamet, but I think- Oh, I'm a Chalamet

42:28

person. I think Chalamet-pop-timism

42:32

annoys you sometimes. Well,

42:34

it has the flavor of

42:36

a lot of this sort of like, you know,

42:39

I don't know, the way

42:41

that social media treats

42:44

the sort of cadre of like adorable

42:47

boy kings. Maybe you're not-

42:50

You're not a Pop-timist, you're a Pop-timist.

42:56

How would I say pessimist with Pop in it? You're

42:59

not a Pop-timist, you're a- I'm a Pop-timist.

43:03

That just sounds like Pop-tist. Let's

43:06

move on. Let's please move on.

43:09

Let's move on to the All

43:11

of Us Garys League, a

43:14

sub-league in the Movie

43:16

Fantasy League this year. Our All of Us Garys update

43:19

is- we did have a fake sponsor like this

43:21

week's All of Us Garys update brought to you by

43:23

Red Robin or something like that.

43:25

You know what I mean? Just someone

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sponsor us. I've already bought a new mattress so I can't-

43:30

no mattress companies are allowed to sponsor us now

43:32

that I've shelled out for a mattress, but

43:35

maybe- We can make fun

43:37

of it and say that we're sponsored by Better Help

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because every podcast is sponsored. What if we just

43:42

like say we're sponsored by Bamba Socks until

43:44

they send us some Bamba Socks like something,

43:46

like give us something.

43:48

All right anyway we have- so these

43:51

are your updated scores in the All

43:53

of Us Garys League as of last

43:56

week because you're hearing this after

43:58

the weekend. the 18th

44:00

and 19th box office has all been

44:02

added so whatever there's nothing we can do about

44:05

that the top scorer

44:07

currently in the

44:10

Alvis Gary's league is a team called

44:13

Mart 1655 who is currently

44:15

in the top 35 overall go

44:17

fucking Gary's we're gonna going to hell yeah

44:20

we are going to support each other we are a supportive

44:22

fandom so I want to

44:24

read we will by the end of the season

44:26

get a Gary in at least I think

44:28

the top 10 of the entire game

44:31

I will say Chris your your Bet Noir

44:33

Rogowski crop top Stan is in the top three

44:36

of the all of us Gary's league your

44:38

your stalking horse are

44:40

you are you standing me because my name

44:43

is Rogowski crop top or are you standing the

44:45

crop top I hope it's the crop top you're standing

44:48

I think we all stand that crop top classic

44:51

Midriff cinema passages anyway

44:54

so Mark's team all right let's

44:56

talk about this this is a I think a pretty

44:58

well-balanced team past lives killers

45:01

of the flower moon poor things showing

45:04

up five nights at Freddy's anatomy

45:06

of a fall the boy and the heron Taylor

45:09

Swift the heiress tour so let's talk about this

45:11

for a second no Barbie and no

45:13

Oppenheimer which concerns me

45:15

some because I do think there is a version

45:18

of this award season that becomes just Barbie

45:20

and Oppenheimer volleying back

45:22

and forth everything almost you

45:24

know what I mean I'm skeptical about that

45:27

talk of talk to me about that then briefly we're 15

45:30

I don't know I just I think there's a lot

45:32

more happening than those two movies

45:35

still and I question

45:37

I kind

45:41

of question the idea of

45:43

Oppenheimer being like the

45:46

one but I also question I'm questioning

45:48

that more and more and Barbie seriously

45:51

enough see I'm questioning

45:53

the Oppenheimer thing a little bit more than I used to but

45:55

it's because I think Oh Barbie could

45:57

win it all so I I

46:00

think there's a lot of other things that are majorly

46:03

in play which like, Mart, 1655's

46:06

group has, like Killers of the Flower Moon, poor

46:09

things. I think

46:12

there is a tendency

46:14

to write the season as done,

46:17

and for Oppenheimer that I'm seeing a

46:19

lot of that I'm like, especially

46:21

because the strike kind of delaying

46:23

the season this season is not... But

46:25

I think that plays in with even more. I

46:27

think the strike going so long really helps

46:30

to calcify this year as the

46:32

Barbenheimer year, and I think that's going

46:34

to be... I just like, I could be wrong. We'll

46:36

see how it goes. I

46:38

think something like the Holdovers though, I think

46:40

could be a thing. Killers of the Flower Moon,

46:43

I'm always skeptical under my new Scorsese

46:45

Spielberg theory that neither one of them is

46:47

ever going to win Best Picture again. But

46:51

like... I don't think Killers of the Flower

46:53

Moon will goose egg like two big...

46:55

I hope not. You know, a lot of seasons

46:57

to be had. Poor

47:02

Things is a fantastic wild card in

47:04

this awards season. Poor Things could do... Could

47:07

run the gamut of outcomes, which

47:09

I'm totally excited about. Past

47:12

Lives, we are waiting for the Past Lives

47:14

second wind to show up. They are very strategically

47:17

waiting on that. I think

47:19

A24 knows how to play this kind of thing. I

47:22

have faith in them. So

47:24

I'm waiting to see what Past Lives does after

47:27

the new year. And

47:29

then I think something like Anatomy of the Fall is a good

47:32

mid-tier that's going to rack up some nominations

47:34

and that's going to rack up some awards. Same thing with

47:36

Boy in the Heron. I think Boy in the Heron is going

47:38

to show up in a lot of different places. And

47:41

then Mark picks the two

47:43

correct box office movies, right? The Five

47:45

Nights at Freddy's and Taylor Swift the Heirous Tour in terms

47:48

of like cheapy cheapies that are

47:50

making big time money. So

47:54

even something like My Beloved Wonka, which is going to make $500 million,

47:56

you had to pay a lot for

47:58

that. So relatively speaking. compared

48:00

to Taylor and Five Nights at Freddy's. So good

48:03

job. Joe is already in the tank

48:05

for the Wonka cinematic universe. He is first

48:08

in line for Wonka the way of chocolate.

48:11

The Wonka is gonna really test the market's

48:13

ability when it's Willy Wonka,

48:17

teen Wonka, and

48:19

Wonka's

48:21

nephew who is the same age as Wonka.

48:25

I do think we have another box

48:27

office success laying

48:29

in wait. No, I'm not talking about Aquaman.

48:31

I think especially... I mean, everybody

48:34

kind of expected the first Aquaman to fail.

48:38

So, you know, caveat to

48:40

that, but I don't think we're gonna look good for

48:42

Aquaman. Everything in the DC has been flop-a-bopping, so we'll

48:44

see. I do think

48:46

that, especially now that, you know,

48:49

you've seen all of these reactions from people,

48:51

even though we have heard a lot

48:53

of stuff in

48:55

advance about it, I think that the

48:57

Color Purple really has the chance

48:59

to be a box office hit. I mean, I kind of felt

49:02

that there was always that potential, but...

49:04

Did you see Dave Karger's tweet? No,

49:07

what did he say? Dave Karger tweeted

49:09

after seeing the Color Purple screened in Los Angeles

49:12

this week. Dave

49:14

Karger, formerly of Entertainment Weekly, now

49:17

of TCM, tweeted

49:20

and he was like... He kind of like... He

49:22

didn't quite yada-yada over the movie, but he like,

49:25

beelined to complimenting Danielle

49:27

Brooks. He was like, the thing to

49:29

talk about is Danielle Brooks. And

49:31

in fact, wait, I have... I know I can find it really

49:33

quickly, so I'll find the tweet. But

49:35

I was like, I thought that was notable because A,

49:38

we've been trying to figure out who of Danielle

49:40

or Taraji would be the supporting actress

49:42

play, but also... Okay, so here's Dave Karger's

49:45

tweet from having seen the Color Purple. Just watch

49:47

the Color Purple and there's so much to admire.

49:49

Admire... Notice... Admire

49:52

is not always a word you want to have. Admire is always

49:55

a little bit of a flat.

49:58

So much to admire from the costume. to the choreography

50:01

to the Fantastic Cast, but for me it is

50:03

all about this phenomenal performance. Bravo,

50:05

Danielle Brooks. So A,

50:08

I think the supporting actress

50:10

field that is right now, I think the most

50:13

without a headliner now

50:16

maybe has a headliner in Danielle

50:18

Brooks, but also that

50:21

to me says the color

50:23

purple might be just

50:25

a Danielle Brooks awards vehicle. Maybe,

50:28

maybe, I don't know. There's an original

50:30

song in there, so I would expect it to show

50:32

up there. But I mean in terms of like... Like

50:35

bare minimum. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I

50:37

think it's, you know, it's... To

50:39

not mention Fantasia at all

50:41

in your... A lot of people are not mentioning Fantasia.

50:44

It's very weird because I remember when

50:46

she... I mean, I read

50:48

her profile

50:52

with a variety that did all those,

50:54

and she talks about it as a hard experience

50:58

to do the show on the stage, but I remember when

51:00

she did it on Broadway

51:02

and got raves for it. So it's

51:04

like it is surprising to not... And

51:07

I think some of that has to do with the approach for

51:09

the movie, which... Well,

51:11

I also feel like Cynthia Rivo

51:13

in the Broadway revival, I think, upped

51:15

the game on raves of

51:18

the performance of that role is the other thing. Yeah.

51:20

But anyway, we'll have more opportunity to talk

51:22

about the color purple as the season goes on. I wanted to

51:25

shout out one more name who's in the top 10

51:28

of the All of Us Garys League, which is 1234567. Eighth

51:33

Place is a team

51:35

called Andrew Hey, which

51:39

I'm a man of simple tastes and

51:41

simple pleasures. And that

51:43

to me... We have some good names, totally.

51:46

We do. I also wanted to... It's

51:48

fun when there's movement on the All of

51:50

Us Garys board because we do get to see the other

51:52

fun names. Yeah. I do think Mojo Dojo

51:55

Eros Tour. I like that a lot. Very funny. It's very

51:57

clever. I like it a lot. So we'll definitely

51:59

keep shouting.

51:59

out more team names as we

52:02

go along. I love charting the Garys

52:04

League. Also shout out to a friend

52:06

of the podcast and all-around

52:09

rad person Clay Keller currently

52:12

still leading the Podcasters

52:14

League. So gotta

52:17

love that. What

52:20

else is going on? Shout

52:22

out to Rebecca Alter for leading the Vulture Staff League

52:25

as well. I'm not gonna look

52:27

and see Chris who among you and I

52:29

are ahead because we have

52:31

only we haven't even begun to amass

52:34

our point. So we will be competitive with

52:36

each other later I feel like. We are

52:39

both among the bottom

52:41

of the Podcasters League. I was trying to

52:43

avoid saying that Christopher.

52:46

But not it's totally fine because

52:49

the game is only just begun and box

52:51

offices may not part of either of our strategy.

52:53

Marathon not a sprint. All right.

52:56

All right Chris I think that's probably good

52:59

for us and we will return you to that

53:02

dangerous dangerous mountaintop.

53:04

And Everest and we'll get

53:06

back to Katie. All right. All

53:10

right let's talk about the casting though because

53:12

Chris you bring up the idea that like these are very

53:15

kind of thin constructions of the mountain

53:17

climbers at least or maybe you feel everybody.

53:20

I think in the setup leading

53:22

up to their actual climb

53:25

of Everest I had trouble distinguishing

53:27

them just on a character level. And

53:30

then once they're on the mountain and they're spending

53:32

most of the time covered in all this

53:34

gear. Yeah. It's hard.

53:37

That part's hard. It's hard to tell

53:39

these people apart to the point that like

53:41

fundamentally I could not tell

53:44

who was who. Because even with

53:46

like you know what Josh Brolin's voice

53:48

sounds like but there's all these sound effects of

53:51

wind and yeah

53:52

you know all of that. But like I had

53:55

I know I sound maybe a little stupid for this but like

53:58

I know I could not tell who anyone. There were a couple of times.

53:59

where I thought Sam Worthington had gone up

54:02

the mountain to rescue somebody, even though I know that time

54:04

doesn't work like that. And then it turns

54:06

out to just be like Martin Henderson or something like that.

54:08

The presence of Sam Worthington as

54:11

the guy who's on a different mountain

54:13

nearby and then comes to

54:15

their mountain. I get that it's real

54:18

life.

54:18

It's just so confusing. The number of separate

54:21

expeditions, separate camps, separate

54:23

mountains, it's a lot

54:25

going on. There's so many people up there

54:27

where they should not be. Go home.

54:29

This is not sustainable for human

54:31

life, even for a half an hour. Go

54:33

home. And this is why I think the movie improves

54:36

in its final half, where it

54:38

just narrows things down to, these

54:41

are the people who are freezing to death. These

54:43

are the people back at camp. This is Emily

54:45

Watson struggling to hold it together as she's on

54:47

the phone with Keira Knightley. You mentioned

54:49

this, Katie, though this is the wife

54:52

on the phoniest movie of

54:54

all time. Because there's multiple wife on the

54:57

phone. Emily Watson's on the phone all the time. Emily Watson's not even

54:59

anybody's wife. She's on the phone. She's got

55:01

a walkie talkie all the time. Sam Worthington's a wife on

55:03

the phone in this movie. It's amazing.

55:05

Yeah, and look, Robin Wright,

55:08

God love her. She's doing

55:09

great wife on the phone. She does the

55:11

work in this one. She's just like, I'll

55:14

get them, hold on. I'm on the phone. Her

55:16

text-to-text is great. It is, it's great.

55:18

Really good, and her hair is great. And then

55:20

she immediately has this whole fucking

55:23

country club ladies group worth of people

55:26

calling the embassy in Kathmandu or whatever.

55:28

And it's incredible. She like

55:31

mobilizes. Meanwhile, Mia Goth's doing

55:33

nothing just sitting on that couch. Like,

55:36

sorry that you're 10, Mia Goth. But

55:38

like, Christ.

55:38

I feel like it

55:40

is good and right to complain about when roles

55:43

for women in these movies are limited to wife on phone.

55:45

But like, it's the wives

55:47

on the phone get their moments. Like, Keira Knightley's

55:50

really good in this movie. And like, I don't

55:52

think we realized then that like, she didn't

55:54

have that many movies left. She's

55:57

not in movies very much at all

55:58

anymore. And I think we. What is the explanation

56:01

for that? Do we have any idea? I sure wish I knew.

56:03

I have no idea. I

56:06

always get trepidatious when I hear about that because it's

56:08

just like, Oh God, she did make a bunch of like Weinstein

56:11

company. She was in Boston Strangler

56:13

this year. That is true. That is

56:15

true. She's a parent now though, right? She could be

56:17

a big thing on my office. Yeah, she has a kid

56:19

like, you know, she's not 40,

56:21

but like she's gotten older. I don't know. Like

56:23

probably all the same horrible bullshit reasons

56:25

that we hear about.

56:26

This is the one thing a lot of her

56:28

movies

56:30

like that she makes. She's been in the

56:32

unfortunate position that they don't like

56:34

happen. Like, yeah, it was in that movie, official

56:37

secrets that what?

56:40

It was like a Sunday movie

56:42

that was like released by IFC

56:45

right before the festival. So like

56:47

truly not a lot of

56:49

this is the one advantage that athletics has over

56:52

the movies in that like in sports, if somebody retires,

56:55

they like have a press conference and

56:57

they say I'm retiring and then they're retired.

56:59

And in movies, it's like four years later

57:02

and you're just like, wait a second. This person hasn't been

57:04

in a movie in four years and they retired. And

57:07

you might not ever know. And oftentimes

57:10

they lie, which also in sports that happens

57:12

to because Tom Brady lies. But, you know, I

57:14

remember thinking about this when Darkest Hour came

57:17

out. I guess that was twenty seven.

57:20

Seventeen. Yeah. And it's Lily

57:22

James, who's like the secretary, right?

57:24

Yes, which is just a real Keira

57:26

Knightley role. And I'm right. Like, what

57:28

did you and Keira break up? What happened? Right.

57:31

Right. Yeah.

57:31

Joe Wright make another Keira Knightley movie. We

57:34

need another. He's not really done great

57:36

by shit. Not Haley Atwell,

57:38

who's his wife? The other one, the other Haley

57:40

Bennett,

57:41

Haley Bennett. Yeah. Like it's not I didn't

57:42

realize they were married. Yeah. Well,

57:44

they had a kid. OK. But

57:46

like it's not like the

57:47

zero

57:48

didn't work out great for either of them. So maybe Keira

57:51

can explore.

57:51

Sure. I love Joe Wright. I mean, to

57:54

be I'm not giving up on Joe Wright, neither are you,

57:56

Katie. No, I do not. We are.

57:58

We are the Thelma and Louise. Louisa's

58:00

friend Like

58:08

we should do the soloist like I

58:11

am the only one that claims to solo That's

58:14

true. I've never even seen the soloist you

58:16

count more you're like it much But

58:19

also before became a Joe right diehard. So who knows?

58:21

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I said tell him in

58:23

the reason Louisa's friend I can be the reason friend.

58:25

It's fine. You're they decided to bring Brad

58:27

Pitt with them and keep Fine

58:33

Okay If

58:36

you insist, um All

58:38

right favorite performance among this cast

58:40

Emily Watson meet you I

58:43

Was gonna say Jason Clark, but we'll get to Jason

58:45

Clark, but let's talk about emmy

58:46

was how do we feel about? Jason

58:49

Clark's character being a little bit haloed

58:51

in this movie compared to maybe In

58:54

real life where he compared to Jake Joan

58:56

Hall Like I think right so long as

58:58

it's like the bad guy and yeah

59:00

and Clark's the good guy. Yeah For

59:03

a second. It made me wonder is

59:05

it because they needed the participation Of

59:08

these people's families to make this movie

59:10

But then that doesn't really make any sense

59:13

you would need Scott Fisher's family's participation,

59:16

too Yeah, it's not like

59:18

he

59:18

does anything like Scott Fisher He does

59:20

it implies he dies because he's trying to help people too much

59:22

He just runs out of energy But I think

59:24

with Rob Hall you've got that phone call like that really

59:27

happened and if you're old to that I think you're

59:29

gonna get that halo

59:30

that's the thing you want to have that be your

59:32

main character your your sort of hero

59:35

Yeah, I think I think a more I

59:37

say this a day and a half after seeing Killers

59:39

of the Flower Moon Where I'm like, how is this

59:42

movie about like toxic male,

59:44

you know? Drive to success or

59:46

whatever and it's just like it's not hard

59:48

to be more about it. Probably

59:51

he might be at least like

59:53

I say that this

59:55

movie has a major problem because it doesn't

59:57

answer the fundamental question of of

1:00:00

why do you do something

1:00:02

like this? Because it's there!

1:00:05

They say it themselves. Well, but

1:00:07

like, then you have that movie as crack-hours.

1:00:09

As crack-hours story, it

1:00:11

at least has like a theme

1:00:14

to hang its head on, you know? Yeah,

1:00:17

well you even have the crack-hour character in

1:00:19

this. When they do the joke about like, because it's

1:00:21

there, he's like, yeah, but like, that's not a real reason.

1:00:23

Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, Namba says,

1:00:26

you know, well, I've done six of the seven peaks, and he's

1:00:28

like, that's not even a real reason. The question

1:00:30

is, why do you want to climb the

1:00:32

peaks to begin with? And they don't really

1:00:34

have an answer beyond just like, there

1:00:36

are some people who want to prove

1:00:40

something to themselves, prove something

1:00:43

to the people in their life. Were they rich enough

1:00:45

to say that they've done it? Have

1:00:47

all the money in the world and still

1:00:49

feel empty. I mean, you

1:00:51

think about like, Losity of Z, which doesn't

1:00:53

answer this question either, but I think it gets

1:00:56

into why you would do this and not have an

1:00:58

answer for it, right? these

1:01:01

men are doing something completely insane, but you understand

1:01:03

the culture that gets into that point, the

1:01:05

war trauma, all of this stuff. And this movie,

1:01:07

it just isn't the movie that's gonna take the time to

1:01:09

get into that. It

1:01:10

probably would be better if it did.

1:01:13

Right.

1:01:13

Even if it gave us like a corny

1:01:16

answer like that, because I don't think it really

1:01:18

even gives us the answer of

1:01:20

because it's there, you know, it's just. Well,

1:01:24

and like, and I think that maybe gets to a little bit,

1:01:26

Chris, your thing about the characters, where it's just like, what

1:01:28

do we know about Brolin's character? He's Texas,

1:01:30

his character is Texas. And

1:01:33

like John Hawks's character is like, I'm

1:01:36

the nice everyman. And

1:01:41

then it gets sort of a little bit slimy, like what

1:01:44

do we know about the Martin Henderson character? Jason Quire

1:01:46

runs this outfit, like, right.

1:01:49

He's picking up trash that other people left there.

1:01:52

He cares about it. That's the whole thing, apparently, that

1:01:54

like people are saying that they should ban and

1:01:57

then they should've all contributors

1:02:00

they should ban bottles

1:02:02

of supplemental oxygen because they think A, it

1:02:05

might dissuade some of

1:02:07

the more amateur people from

1:02:09

trying to climb it in the first

1:02:11

place. Essentially that was one

1:02:13

of John Krakauer's main conclusions

1:02:16

coming away from that, is that these commercial

1:02:18

expeditions made people

1:02:21

who probably shouldn't have been trying to climb

1:02:24

Everest try to climb Everest. And

1:02:27

so there is this movement, or was

1:02:29

or whatever, I do not keep up on these trends,

1:02:32

to essentially be like, you shouldn't have

1:02:34

bottled oxygen because it would then narrow

1:02:37

the range of people who could attempt this

1:02:40

to the most, like the best of the best. And then also,

1:02:43

you wouldn't have what they do have now,

1:02:45

which is like a bunch of litter up

1:02:47

on Everest and being like,

1:02:51

it's not quite the garbage patch

1:02:53

in the ocean kind of a thing, but it's just like, why

1:02:55

is there fucking litter up on Everest? You know?

1:02:58

Yeah. All right.

1:03:00

You guys are going to talk about Emily Watson though.

1:03:03

Oh, yeah. Chris, talk about Emily Watson

1:03:05

because I already talked a little bit about it. A

1:03:08

great actor who,

1:03:10

as we kind of hinted at earlier,

1:03:13

has not really gotten her due since her

1:03:15

Oscar nominations and like just doesn't really

1:03:17

get the roles. Like, Katie,

1:03:20

you mentioned she is wife on phone

1:03:22

without being anyone's wife.

1:03:25

I feel like... Those scenes though are like

1:03:27

incredibly affecting, like every single

1:03:29

time she starts to break into tears, it's

1:03:32

so moving because it's not only just

1:03:35

like sad. Sometimes

1:03:37

tears are just supposed to communicate, like feel

1:03:39

sad now, but it's also like, it's this

1:03:41

frustration, it's this sort of like this

1:03:43

moment that I had always sort of feared about,

1:03:47

now it's actually happening and now it's my

1:03:49

responsibility to be the go-between

1:03:51

between my friend and business partner

1:03:53

who is dying and we can't

1:03:55

do anything to help him. And his wife, who is also

1:03:57

my friend, who was like pregnant at home. And

1:04:00

like she has to be the one to like put the

1:04:02

phones together and like make them talk.

1:04:04

It's it's heartbreaking. And that's

1:04:06

the most emotional complexity we get in

1:04:09

the whole- And I think Emily

1:04:11

Watson does a great job of showing

1:04:13

all of the nuances of that type of situation.

1:04:17

And like, I think her and Keira

1:04:19

Knightley, if this movie is emotionally effective

1:04:21

in any way or just like, you

1:04:24

know,

1:04:24

at least Cassius the checks that

1:04:27

it writes, it's because of the two of

1:04:29

them.

1:04:31

See, I think that sells Jason Clarke short and

1:04:33

like his end of that deal. Because

1:04:35

I feel like he really what I like about his

1:04:37

performance is what it carries about that emotion and not just

1:04:39

in the end parts of it, but kind of like the idea

1:04:41

of like being dedicated to something wanting

1:04:44

to take care of the people who are in his charge.

1:04:45

Like I feel like you get why he's doing it. Even

1:04:47

if you don't get why on how happy

1:04:50

he is for the other people, how much he

1:04:52

wants. Yeah. Yeah. Help

1:04:54

that like it is it is the most true. It's the most charitable

1:04:57

way of it's not charitable. I guess it's

1:04:59

that makes it seem like it's false. But like, it's the

1:05:01

most sort of generous way

1:05:04

of viewing why these people do it

1:05:06

or why Jason Clarke would would

1:05:09

embark upon this business because there's a way to look

1:05:11

at him the way you look at Gyllenhaal's

1:05:13

character, which is this you're in this for the glory. You're

1:05:16

you know, you're trying to be number one.

1:05:19

And with Clarke's character,

1:05:21

Clarke gets to show that

1:05:23

other side, which is that like, I am somebody

1:05:26

who is sort of helping facilitate these people

1:05:28

be better than they ever

1:05:31

hoped they could be. And like, which is the corny notion,

1:05:33

but like you can buy it. So

1:05:36

also, I want to say a shout out to Elizabeth

1:05:39

DeBicki for doing one of my favorite things

1:05:42

that people can do in movies, especially movies

1:05:44

like this, which is project professional

1:05:47

competence at the best level

1:05:49

is where like, I know that she knows

1:05:52

she knows her information down. And

1:05:55

so they mentioned this is her first time up on the mountain. Is

1:05:57

she filling in for Keira Knightley because you

1:05:59

get the. sense that Keira Knightley is usually on the

1:06:02

back of the room. Oh. And she

1:06:04

can't, because Keira Knightley is like, I'm so far away, I can't

1:06:06

do anything. And you get the sense that she's only

1:06:08

home because she's pregnant. And then they mention

1:06:10

it was DeBickie's first time. But like, I don't

1:06:12

know if Keira's character was

1:06:15

a medical professional like DeBickie. I don't

1:06:18

know

1:06:18

either. You get it, he certainly climbed some mountains.

1:06:21

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

1:06:24

I had maybe more to say about Elizabeth DeBickie's one

1:06:26

scene in this movie than I had

1:06:29

in any scene of the movie. First of all,

1:06:31

Jason Clarke is taller than Elizabeth

1:06:33

DeBickie. How fucking tall is Jason

1:06:35

Clarke? He's

1:06:37

got the boots with the spikes on it though. She doesn't. Like

1:06:40

he's got to have those like boots with the, with the boots. The

1:06:43

boots with the spikes. Is that like Apple Bottom

1:06:45

Jean boots with the spikes? Apple Bottom Jean

1:06:47

boots with the spikes. Keira

1:06:50

Knightley's character is a doctor. I

1:06:53

am currently the clinical director at the

1:06:55

Nelson's Medical Health Club. My theory

1:06:57

is playing out. Okay, so there we go. Also,

1:07:00

she basically explains how you do

1:07:03

everything on Everest and everything they

1:07:05

need to look out. She is playing.

1:07:07

She, Elizabeth DeBickie, star of Tenet, is

1:07:10

doing the Clements Posey in Tenet

1:07:12

thing. I'm being like, don't worry about it. It's

1:07:17

just Everest. Just like go up and like don't

1:07:19

think about it. Just go. Elizabeth DeBickie

1:07:21

was the first moment of shock

1:07:24

though of I didn't know this

1:07:26

person was in it. She was like yelling

1:07:28

Elizabeth DeBickie at my

1:07:30

TV. Five minutes later, we are gosh,

1:07:33

it's weird. Where are we in Elizabeth DeBickie at

1:07:35

this point? This is two years after Gatsby.

1:07:38

It's two years after Gatsby and that was the first thing

1:07:41

I had ever seen her in. I think it was the first thing

1:07:43

almost everyone had seen her in. Yeah,

1:07:45

she's amazing at Gatsby. Gatsby, what

1:07:48

Gatsby? Yeah, Gatsby is apparently

1:07:50

the only other thing she had been in was something

1:07:52

called A Few Best Men starring Xavier

1:07:54

Samuel. That seems like something

1:07:56

you would watch. It does, kind of. from

1:08:00

the derogatory drag dragon.

1:08:05

She's apparently the same year as man from

1:08:07

uncle. So man from uncle would have been on month

1:08:09

or two before this. Yeah.

1:08:12

She's great man from uncle. So is everybody.

1:08:15

Like whatever, sorry, we can't talk about army hammer

1:08:17

anymore, but like Henry Cavill is great. Alicia

1:08:20

Vikander is great. I loved a man from uncle. Man

1:08:22

from uncle rules. She's also apparently Lady

1:08:24

Macduff in the Justin Kurtzel Macbeth

1:08:28

that happens that year. Mary

1:08:31

and Cody are in Michael Fassbender. Who

1:08:34

is Lady Macduff? Macduff is Sean Harris.

1:08:37

She's four times. She's Lady Macduff. Sean Harris

1:08:39

is Macduff. That's interesting. So she really was doing

1:08:41

just like tiny parts after Gatsby for some reason.

1:08:44

Yeah. I do because every

1:08:46

leading man in Hollywood was like absolutely not too

1:08:48

tall. She's probably. Cause

1:08:50

like, isn't Henry, army hammer's a giant.

1:08:52

Henry Cavill's a giant. Like they

1:08:54

can pull, Jason Clark's a giant,

1:08:56

I guess. Tom Cruise has

1:08:58

a picture of her in the casting office for Mission Impossible

1:09:01

being like absolutely under no circumstances.

1:09:05

We cannot allow this to happen. However,

1:09:08

coming up,

1:09:10

much as I hate Ty West,

1:09:12

X, and Pearl, speaking of Miagaf,

1:09:15

she is going to be in Maxine as a porn

1:09:18

director,

1:09:18

apparently.

1:09:20

I'm burnt out on that theory. That might

1:09:22

get me to see Maxine. Yeah,

1:09:25

I'm burnt out on that, but like I guess I will.

1:09:28

I hate those movies. I don't expect to like

1:09:30

Maxine, but if the Bicky's in it, doing

1:09:33

a thing. Also as a pair of LA PD

1:09:35

detectives, Bobby

1:09:37

Cannavale and Michelle Monaghan, which is

1:09:40

like an interesting pairing

1:09:43

of detectives. It's going to be Ty West true

1:09:45

detective. Right, right. Michelle

1:09:49

Monaghan was intro detective, but just not as a cop.

1:09:52

All right. I want to talk

1:09:54

briefly, before I get into the game, I want to talk

1:09:56

about Baltasar Korma Kor. Who

1:09:59

from all indications, is just

1:10:01

a weird Icelandic, like, Rumpelstiltskin

1:10:05

type character, I don't know. Like... Uh,

1:10:07

explain. I don't know, like all

1:10:10

his movies just sound like... I

1:10:12

don't know, maybe it's my... Joe will be writing

1:10:15

the GQ profile about the sarcos. Scandinavian

1:10:18

directors, but like, um... I

1:10:21

don't know, like maybe it's the fact that after Everest,

1:10:24

he does Adrift and Beast, and so it's all

1:10:26

of these, like, let me just, like, set

1:10:28

human beings in, like, these

1:10:31

horrible conditions and stuff. In

1:10:33

a show

1:10:34

called Trapped, in addition

1:10:36

to Adrift? Yes.

1:10:38

I mean, it all seems of a part,

1:10:40

right? Um, he had done a movie

1:10:43

called The Deep, uh,

1:10:45

in 2012 that got shortlisted for

1:10:47

the Oscar. Then

1:10:49

that one is about

1:10:52

a fisherman who survived in the freezing ocean after

1:10:54

his boat capsized off the south coast of Iceland.

1:10:57

So, like, Balthazar Kormachor seems like

1:10:59

a guy who has a, maybe

1:11:01

similar fixation to, uh, the

1:11:04

characters in Everest, where he's just, like, fascinated

1:11:07

by these situations where people

1:11:09

have to survive. He's, uh, he's directed a movie called

1:11:12

The Sea, um, that

1:11:14

is about a family who lives by the... I

1:11:17

guess if you're from Iceland, maybe you're just, like, everything

1:11:19

has to do with water, because there's...

1:11:21

you're never too far from the ocean. So,

1:11:23

maybe that's a thing. Um, I

1:11:26

realized in preparing for this episode

1:11:28

that I had been confusing

1:11:30

Balthazar Kormachor with Timur

1:11:33

Bekmembatov, the Russian

1:11:36

director of Wanted and

1:11:38

Abraham Lincoln, uh, Vampire Hunter.

1:11:41

Yep, yep, yep. Easy to do. Easy

1:11:43

to do. Um,

1:11:44

I was confusing him with,

1:11:46

uh,

1:11:46

Ror Utag, the director of

1:11:48

the Norwegian title wave movie The Wave,

1:11:51

which I think is both of them. The Wave. I was gonna bring up

1:11:53

The Wave, too, because The Wave, uh, is not

1:11:55

dissimilar. I liked... that's a movie

1:11:57

I saw in Toronto, in fact, The Wave. That's

1:12:00

a movie that has so much stuff about

1:12:02

fjords, you would not believe it. Like,

1:12:04

you're so, you really

1:12:07

learn a lot about fjords. Everest

1:12:09

also though, co-scripted by

1:12:11

Simon Beaufoy, who I think probably brings

1:12:14

the most like Oscar buzz cache

1:12:16

with him to this movie. He was a three-time

1:12:20

Oscar nominee by this point. He was the

1:12:22

writer of The Full Monty and

1:12:25

Slumdog Millionaire, and he was also

1:12:27

nominated for 127 Hours, which

1:12:30

looking back on 127 Hours,

1:12:33

I still

1:12:34

kind of stick up for that James Franco nomination.

1:12:36

I think Franco is actually really good in that movie. It's

1:12:39

the screenplay nomination and the

1:12:42

picture nomination that I'm sort of like, I

1:12:46

don't know, seem a little bit curious.

1:12:48

It's three from dog, a halo

1:12:51

nomination. Yeah, oh, totally, absolutely.

1:12:54

I guess he also did the screenplay for Battle of

1:12:56

the Sexes though, and I did enjoy

1:12:58

that one, so. Good movie. Good

1:13:01

for Simon Beaufoy. He also wrote Miss Pettigrew

1:13:03

Lives for a Day. Okay, okay, Simon

1:13:05

Beaufoy. He wrote

1:13:06

the- You guys done Miss Pettigrew Lives for a Day?

1:13:08

That feels

1:13:08

like a real- No, we'd love to. Contender

1:13:10

here. We could, we could, yeah. We haven't done

1:13:13

many Frances McDormand movies, I don't think.

1:13:15

She

1:13:15

doesn't make that many movies and a lot of them get Oscar

1:13:17

nominations. And I was gonna say, she's got a good batting average,

1:13:20

yeah. We did Salmon Fishing in the

1:13:22

Yemen though, which is a Simon

1:13:24

Beaufoy adaptation. Is Simon Beaufoy

1:13:26

one of the credited screenwriters

1:13:28

on the second Hunger Games movies?

1:13:31

Yes. The best Hunger Games movie? He

1:13:33

is, Catching Fire. It's him and Michael- I forgot

1:13:35

you're a Hunger Games kid. I'm not really,

1:13:38

I mean- Chris does rewatch them. Yeah, you just

1:13:40

rewatch them. And I finished

1:13:42

Mockingjay Part Two, and I was like, why did I do

1:13:44

this? Like, what was the horror? I

1:13:47

question Chris, why did you do that? Those

1:13:49

last two movies are just not

1:13:51

good movies, but not satisfying in

1:13:54

any way. I'm sure I saw them, but I don't

1:13:56

remember. They're on TV all the time,

1:13:58

so I do kind of like come up- them a

1:14:00

lot but like I don't think I've watched

1:14:03

a full Hunger Games movie since I saw

1:14:05

the last one in I will absolutely you are

1:14:07

just like this is for teens what yeah

1:14:10

oh it's very violent it's very

1:14:12

grim it's very violent um all

1:14:15

true but like people didn't like

1:14:17

the last book like that's the thing is right

1:14:19

that was one where like the first movie

1:14:21

I think came out before the last book came

1:14:23

out I think yeah people were so

1:14:26

excited no it was it was close but

1:14:28

I don't think so because I definitely read

1:14:30

the whole series before the first movie okay

1:14:33

but I remember people not liking mocking Jay

1:14:35

the book or at least like starting

1:14:37

to like you know pipe up

1:14:39

about not being satisfied

1:14:42

with it okay I want to talk about Jason

1:14:44

Clark so before we do we're gonna play our game because

1:14:46

I don't want to get into the Jason Clark filmography

1:14:48

before I

1:14:49

didn't look up his IMDB because I had a hunch

1:14:51

thank you thank you okay so

1:14:54

obviously Katie you talked about how

1:14:57

some of the impetus for covering

1:14:59

Everest in this episode is that Jason

1:15:01

Clark sort of has some

1:15:04

similarities with the kinds of actors

1:15:06

we've done quizzes about before we started

1:15:08

with our Garrett Hedlund

1:15:11

or Charlie Hunnam quiz

1:15:13

then we moved into

1:15:16

what was it it was don't

1:15:17

know it was Jack O'Connell

1:15:20

and

1:15:20

Jack Rainer, Josh O'Connor right?

1:15:24

Jack O'Connell and Josh O'Connor was in our Money Monster

1:15:26

episode our About Time episode

1:15:28

was Donal

1:15:32

Gleason and Ben Wachaw right? Right

1:15:35

that one feels too easy to me now in retrospect

1:15:37

that's nothing like Aaron and Jack. And then last time we did

1:15:39

Sienna Miller our Sienna Miller

1:15:41

face blindness quiz. Yes, it's a minute or

1:15:43

anyone else. So I was trying to like

1:15:46

obviously Jason Clark is the kind of character

1:15:48

actor who has been in so many different things that he's

1:15:50

the perfect person to do a quiz for

1:15:52

and so I was trying to think who can I put up against

1:15:55

Jason Clark that has that same kind

1:15:57

of vibe where it's like

1:16:00

Beardy, not always beardy,

1:16:02

but like emotionally you always sort of think

1:16:04

he's got a beard even when he doesn't have a beard, right? He's

1:16:07

kind of He's not

1:16:09

always playing the heavy, but he plays the

1:16:11

heavy a lot He's not always

1:16:14

in like a government job, but he feels

1:16:16

like spiritually like, you

1:16:18

know He's in a lot of government jobs. And

1:16:21

so I landed on Joel

1:16:24

Edgerton. I'm sorry. I'm like, yes, this

1:16:26

will be a really good like nice. They're

1:16:28

both Australian they're

1:16:31

both like, you know, they

1:16:33

they run in the same circles

1:16:35

and I'm like That

1:16:38

fits. Yes, technically

1:16:40

But like is it worthy of Katie's

1:16:43

sixth time on the

1:16:45

podcast? And so I thought

1:16:47

no, let's kick it up a notch. And

1:16:49

so the game that I have for you guys

1:16:51

is Jason

1:16:54

Clark or some other

1:16:56

Australian and so what we have here

1:16:58

is Jason Clark

1:17:02

Up against the bevy of

1:17:06

Australian character actor sort

1:17:08

of mid-level, you know 40 ish,

1:17:12

you know 30s to 40s kind of a Range

1:17:20

and Again, they're all in very similar

1:17:22

kinds of movies. I think I believe in you guys.

1:17:24

I believe you can do this I wonder if our Australia

1:17:27

episodes gonna turn out to have been valuable prep for this

1:17:31

Preparing for this and also preparing for Australia

1:17:33

episode. My mind really was like crossing

1:17:35

the streams. It's a very Way

1:17:38

are the Kiwi

1:17:39

accents and ever Sydney good. I feel like Australia

1:17:41

scrambled my antenna Well, that's

1:17:43

the other thing is the characters in Everest

1:17:45

are all are a lot of them are

1:17:47

from New Zealand Yeah, like I think

1:17:49

that's pretty bad. I made especially

1:17:52

sure not to confuse The

1:17:55

two in preparation for this because I

1:17:57

don't want to get yelled at I really want to be like good about

1:17:59

this kind of thing So if there

1:18:01

are cases where somebody's

1:18:03

Australian, but I need to like, you know explain

1:18:05

it then I will do it but Are

1:18:08

we ready to do Jason Clark

1:18:11

or some other Australian? I'm gonna

1:18:12

try

1:18:13

Alright Katie as your as our guests you get the choice

1:18:16

of going first or second. I'll go

1:18:18

first All right So the thing is the

1:18:20

question is when I read the role you

1:18:22

will tell me is it Jason Clark or

1:18:24

some other Australian? That'll be for one point Okay,

1:18:27

the second point will come is if you can name

1:18:29

if it is another Australian you can

1:18:31

name the other Australian Okay,

1:18:33

and if you can't the other person

1:18:36

then gets a chance to steal that

1:18:38

point by naming the Australian Yeah,

1:18:41

I think I think we did a similar format for CNN Miller

1:18:43

and we did Feeling as an

1:18:45

option and this time we're doing ceiling is not well do ceiling

1:18:48

option. Yeah. All right. So wait Katie

1:18:50

Did you say you do want to go first? Yeah, okay. Okay.

1:18:52

All right to begin as John

1:18:55

Connor the assumed Savior of humanity

1:18:57

in Terminator Genesis Jason

1:19:01

Clark or some other Australian I never

1:19:03

saw a Terminator Genesis, but I do think that is Jason

1:19:06

Clark It is Jason Clark for that

1:19:08

point. Very good. Okay Chris

1:19:11

as Howard Bond around

1:19:13

the eldest of a trio of bootlegging

1:19:16

brothers in lawless. Oh That is Jason

1:19:18

Clark. It is Jason Clark. Yeah,

1:19:21

very good Chris

1:19:22

Katie as John read Hamilton an associate

1:19:25

of wanted criminal John Dillinger in public enemies

1:19:31

Oh Shit. I Think

1:19:34

that is not Jason

1:19:37

Clark. It is. Oh, wow. That's early for him. It is.

1:19:40

It's early

1:19:40

but it is Jason Clark All right

1:19:42

back to Chris as Louis Creed a grieving

1:19:44

grieving father who makes the bad decision

1:19:47

to bury his dead son in the haunted pet cemetery

1:19:49

in the 2019 remake

1:19:51

of pet cemetery That

1:19:59

That is Jason Clark. It is Jason Clark.

1:20:02

All right, point for Chris. Back to Katie.

1:20:05

As Patrick Greyston, a

1:20:08

SEAL Team 6 leader in Zero

1:20:10

Dark Thirty. I mean,

1:20:12

I don't remember who he is in Zero Dark Thirty, but

1:20:14

he is in Zero Dark Thirty, so I'm assuming you're not being mean to me and

1:20:16

it is Jason Clark.

1:20:18

It is not Jason Clark. DIAH DAMMIT! That

1:20:20

is so rude! That is really rude! Is

1:20:22

this what Joel Iserton? Chris, can- Sorry,

1:20:24

did I ruin it?

1:20:25

Chris, you get a chance to guess who

1:20:28

it is. That is- no, that's not

1:20:30

Joel Iserton because Joel Iserton is

1:20:33

in the team that kills Bin Laden.

1:20:40

So that's some other Australian. Yeah,

1:20:43

but that point is gone. You've got to name the person who

1:20:45

it is. So it's

1:20:50

Ben Mendelsohn? Incorrect,

1:20:52

it is Joel Iserton. All right. What

1:20:55

the fuck? He's in SEAL Team 6. SEAL Team 6 looks good.

1:20:57

Jason Clark is kind of more of a suit in

1:21:00

Zero Dark Thirty, right? All right, Chris's question-

1:21:02

No, Jason Clark is the torturer

1:21:06

in the first act of the movie. Oh, God, I haven't

1:21:08

seen that movie since 2012. All

1:21:10

right, Chris's turn. As Dan Fuller,

1:21:12

a CIA intelligence officer in Zero Dark

1:21:15

Thirty. That

1:21:17

is Jason Clark. That

1:21:20

is Jason Clark. All right, I'm going to learn my lesson

1:21:22

about cross-talk during the game. Keep it

1:21:24

zipped, you guys. All

1:21:28

right, Katie. As

1:21:30

Neil Fletcher, station manager who

1:21:33

plans to take faraway downs from Lady

1:21:35

Sarah Ashley in Australia. That is

1:21:37

not Jason Clark. Yes, who is it? Oh,

1:21:40

God damn it.

1:21:42

No, it's not- his

1:21:44

name's not Hugh because that's- I don't remember.

1:21:47

I wish I could remember his name, but I don't. All

1:21:49

right, Chris, you get the steal. And it's David

1:21:51

Wenham. David Wenham. Thank you.

1:21:54

Yes, okay. Chris,

1:21:57

as Nick Cassidy, the man on a ledge.

1:21:59

in Man on a Ledge. That

1:22:03

is some other Australian. It is Sam Worthington.

1:22:05

Some other Australian. It's Sam Worthington. Two

1:22:08

points for Chris. I should mention Sam Worthington

1:22:10

has English parents and he was born in England but he

1:22:12

was raised in Australia. Wow.

1:22:14

Much like Nicole Kidman who was born in Hawaii. Yep.

1:22:18

Katie as the Sheriff of Nottingham

1:22:20

in the Taron Edgerton starring Robin

1:22:22

Hood. Oh. Gonna

1:22:26

go on Russell Crowe but that's a different Robin

1:22:29

Hood entirely and he was actually Robin Hood. I

1:22:31

believe that is some other Australian.

1:22:33

It is some other Australian. One

1:22:35

point. That

1:22:37

one's Ed Mendelsohn.

1:22:39

It is Ben Mendelsohn. Alright.

1:22:44

Chris as Aaron Sherritt

1:22:47

an informant on the Kelly gang in the 2003

1:22:50

film Ned Kelly. That

1:22:56

is

1:22:56

some other Australian. It's Heath

1:22:59

Ledger. It's

1:23:00

some other Australian. It is not Heath Ledger.

1:23:02

It is baby Joel Edgerton. Oh

1:23:04

shit. Sorry. Would

1:23:06

you have gotten it? I mean honestly Joel

1:23:09

Edgerton

1:23:09

really this is kind of the default but

1:23:11

no. Sorry. I screwed

1:23:13

that up. Alright. We're all learning.

1:23:15

We're all living and learning. That's fine. Katie

1:23:18

right? Okay. Yeah. As

1:23:21

Eric a violent and bitter former

1:23:23

soldier in a lawless world ten years

1:23:25

after societal collapse in the Rover.

1:23:28

Ooh.

1:23:30

That's one

1:23:32

of those dark Australian ones.

1:23:35

Is that Justin Carsell? I think that's some other Australian.

1:23:38

It is some other Australian. Okay. Do

1:23:41

you know Rover?

1:23:43

I don't

1:23:46

want to guess Ben Mendelsohn again but it's

1:23:48

someone who's like scruffy. A guy Pierce.

1:23:51

It is Guy Pierce.

1:23:53

That's incredible. Well

1:23:56

done.

1:23:56

I had him in the back of my mind. I didn't

1:23:58

think

1:23:58

that was good.

1:23:59

Oh my god. All right,

1:24:01

Chris, as Clark, the

1:24:03

Australian second husband of Leslie Mann's

1:24:06

character in Funny People. That

1:24:08

is some other Australian that is Eric Bana. It

1:24:11

is Eric Bana. Very good. Two points for Chris.

1:24:14

Katie, as Emil Stens,

1:24:16

the ex-Delta Force

1:24:19

operative who leads a group of mercenaries

1:24:21

in infiltrating and taking over the White House

1:24:23

in White House Down. Oh, that

1:24:26

is some other Australian. It is not

1:24:28

some other Australian. It is Jason Clark.

1:24:30

I love White House Down. I can't

1:24:32

believe I forgot he was in it.

1:24:34

I know. All right, Chris, as

1:24:37

Kale Garrity, one half of a bohemian-seeming

1:24:40

tourist couple in Hawaii who come

1:24:42

under suspicion for murder in a perfect getaway.

1:24:47

That is some other Australian.

1:24:50

That is also Sam Worthington.

1:24:53

It is not Sam Worthington. Katie, can you see

1:24:55

him? It's Chris Hemsworth! It is Chris Hemsworth! That's

1:24:58

immediately pre-Marvel, Chris

1:25:00

Hemsworth. Yep, yep. My beloved, a

1:25:02

perfect getaway, Katie. Very well done.

1:25:04

All right. Katie, as Christian

1:25:07

Thompson, the seemingly dreamy writer

1:25:09

who has the scoop on Miranda Priestley

1:25:11

being replaced by Jacqueline Follet in

1:25:13

The Devil Wears Prada. There's no way

1:25:15

that's Jason Clark. That has to be some other Australian. It

1:25:18

is some other Australian.

1:25:20

A dreamy Australian

1:25:23

from 2006 who I doubt is a Hemsworth.

1:25:26

I

1:25:29

don't remember this character in the movie at all.

1:25:31

I'm

1:25:31

mostly imagining Ben Barnes, who I know is

1:25:33

not Australian, so I'm not going to let myself say him.

1:25:37

Let's say that's Joel

1:25:37

Edgerton.

1:25:38

That's not. Chris, can you steal? It is

1:25:41

Simon Baker. Simon

1:25:43

Baker.

1:25:43

Oh, cron. He's one of those faces that I'm just

1:25:45

never going to nail.

1:25:47

All right, Chris, we'll do yours and then we'll do a

1:25:50

score break. Chris, as

1:25:52

Sir John Falstaff, pale to young

1:25:54

Prince Hale, Timmy Chalamet, and the King.

1:26:00

That is some other Australian. That is

1:26:02

Ben Mendelssohn.

1:26:04

It's not Ben Mendelssohn. Katie.

1:26:06

That was gonna be my guess too. I'm

1:26:08

going back to my pal Joel Edgerton. It is Joel

1:26:12

Edgerton. Alright, so

1:26:14

after that question the scores are Chris

1:26:16

with 12 and Katie with 9.

1:26:19

So Katie you've got some capturing up to do. Okay.

1:26:21

You can do it. Alright,

1:26:24

so that was Chris's question.

1:26:26

That was Chris's question. Yeah. Katie. Yes.

1:26:29

As Mr. Bucket, Charlie's father in

1:26:31

Tim Burton's Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

1:26:34

Oh,

1:26:35

that has to be some other

1:26:36

Australian. It is some other Australian.

1:26:39

God, Mr. Bucket?

1:26:41

He's not even in the Gene

1:26:43

Wilder version. I literally don't think he exists in

1:26:46

the Gene Wilder version. Maybe. No. I think

1:26:48

no. He

1:26:49

doesn't. He's not in the Gene Wilder version.

1:26:51

Okay.

1:26:52

Let's say this guy peers again. It

1:26:54

is not Guy Pearce. Chris,

1:26:56

can you do it?

1:27:01

I know that this is like a name person.

1:27:03

I just can't think of what male Australian

1:27:06

that would be.

1:27:10

Also

1:27:13

Guy Pearce. No, not Guy Pearce.

1:27:16

Noah Taylor. Oh,

1:27:19

right. Who was born in London to Australian

1:27:21

parents and then moved to Australia at age five.

1:27:23

So there we

1:27:26

go. This is Chris. Chris. As

1:27:29

Arthur Coates, a war photographer in

1:27:31

Vietnam in the greatest beer run ever.

1:27:35

That is some other Australian. That's Russell Crow.

1:27:38

It is Russell Crow. Very good.

1:27:40

Never saw that movie. Nor did I.

1:27:42

I did not remember him being in that. I didn't see

1:27:45

it either. Russell Crow, who I

1:27:47

didn't realize was born in New Zealand and moved to Australia

1:27:49

at age four. There you go. All

1:27:52

right. Katie. As Carl Henderson,

1:27:55

one half of a husband and wife pair of serial

1:27:57

killers in The Devil All the Time.

1:28:01

Oh, now I remember what the devil all

1:28:03

the time is.

1:28:04

Let's just say this Jason Clark.

1:28:05

It is Jason Clark. Yeah,

1:28:07

all right. Chris,

1:28:12

as the voice of Metalbeak,

1:28:14

king of the pure ones in Legends

1:28:16

of the Guardians, the Owls of G'hul.

1:28:21

Oh my God.

1:28:22

Matt Damon on a plane right now screaming

1:28:25

at the Guardians of the Guardians.

1:28:26

I'm

1:28:29

just going to say that it's Jason Clark. It

1:28:31

is not Jason Clark. Katie, do you know who it is? It's

1:28:35

Russell Crowe. I don't know. It's a Matt Russel

1:28:37

Crowe. It is Joel Edgerton.

1:28:43

All right, Katie. Katie,

1:28:46

as the voice of Digger, a burrowing owl

1:28:48

in Legends of the Guardians, the Owls of G'hul.

1:28:55

We're going to get every Guardian of G'hul.

1:28:58

How about this one is some other Australian? It is some other Australian.

1:29:02

Okay. I've been waiting to guess Hugo Weaving.

1:29:04

Is it Hugo Weaving? It is not Hugo Weaving.

1:29:06

Okay. Okay. Chris, so

1:29:08

Chris, who

1:29:11

started with who? Chris can steal if he knows

1:29:13

who Metalbeak is. Okay, this is Jason Clark. It

1:29:16

is not Jason Clark. So this

1:29:18

is David Wenham. So

1:29:21

this is back to Chris.

1:29:24

Yes. As the voice of Ezelrib

1:29:27

of Keel, a retired soldier and screech

1:29:29

owl in Legends of the Guardians, the Owls

1:29:32

of G'hul. Is this

1:29:37

Jason Clark? It is not Jason

1:29:39

Clark. One of these is going to be Jason

1:29:41

Clark. I know you. Katie, can you guess who it

1:29:44

is?

1:29:48

I feel like I'm running out of Australians.

1:29:50

Mel Gibson.

1:29:51

Not Mel Gibson.

1:29:54

It is Jeffrey Rush, Academy Award

1:29:56

winner. Jeffrey Rush. All

1:29:59

right. As

1:30:01

the voice of Twilight, a great gray owl

1:30:04

in Legends of the Guardians, the Owls of

1:30:06

Gahool.

1:30:13

Is it Jason Clarke or

1:30:15

some other Australian? Sorry, this is setting

1:30:18

me off. Can

1:30:22

this be Russell Crowe?

1:30:24

It's not Russell Crowe. It is not Jason

1:30:27

Clarke, so you do get a point for that. But

1:30:30

it's not Russell Crowe. Chris, can you steal? Oh my

1:30:32

god. Is it Hugh Jackman? It

1:30:34

is not Hugh Jackman. Ooh, it was

1:30:36

though. This one goes to Chris. Wait, who was

1:30:38

it? Who was it? Oh, sorry.

1:30:41

It was Anthony LaPaglia. So

1:30:44

this goes to Chris. As the voice of the Easter

1:30:47

Bunny and Rise of the Guardians. Oh!

1:30:51

That is Hugh Jackman. That is Hugh Jackman.

1:30:54

Wow. Two points to Chris. Katie.

1:30:58

As the voice of Boron, a snowy owl and

1:31:00

the King of Gahool in Legends of the Guardians,

1:31:03

the Owls of Gahool. The

1:31:10

King of the

1:31:10

Owls sounds like a big

1:31:12

fart, so I'm just going to go back to Russell Crowe.

1:31:15

It's not Russell Crowe, but you get a point for

1:31:17

knowing it's not Jason Clarke. Oh my god. Chris,

1:31:20

can you steal? Australian

1:31:23

actors. We've already had LaPaglia,

1:31:26

Wenham, and Joel

1:31:28

Hetcherton. And Jeffrey Rush. And Jeffrey Rush. Thank

1:31:31

you, Jackman and Hugh Sirbunny.

1:31:33

Oh, you mean in this one movie. Yes.

1:31:37

And Katie just said Mel Gibson.

1:31:39

No, I just said Russell Crowe. But she

1:31:41

got Mel Gibson before for somebody else. Then

1:31:43

I'm going to say Mel Gibson. Not Mel Gibson.

1:31:45

It is Richard Roxburgh. Oh!

1:31:49

And then Chris, the final

1:31:51

question. As the voice of Alomir,

1:31:54

a great, great owl and the spy from Metalbeak in

1:31:56

Legends of the Guardians, the Owls of Gahool. Jason

1:31:59

Clarke. not Jason Clark.

1:32:01

Katie, would you like to steal? Is

1:32:06

this one Hugh Jackman? It's not.

1:32:08

It's actually Sam Neill, but Sam Neill is from New Zealand

1:32:10

and that is the end of our game. Jason

1:32:13

Clark or some other Australian.

1:32:16

You've outdone yourself, sir. You are a menace.

1:32:18

You need to be

1:32:22

institutionalized. And it's pretty

1:32:24

close. Chris wins it 16 to 14, but

1:32:26

congratulations, Chris. You are our

1:32:28

winner. I feel especially

1:32:32

like I

1:32:34

accomplished something considering it got zero

1:32:36

go-hoole points. I

1:32:40

genuinely went into this game with intentions

1:32:42

pure of heart. And then I went to go pick somebody from

1:32:44

Owls of Gohool and I was like, is

1:32:46

everybody in this movie Australian?

1:32:49

And yes, basically yes. So

1:32:51

Hugo Weaving is also a voice in Owls

1:32:54

of Gohool and I had to take that one out when I found out that

1:32:56

he was born in Nigeria. Born in Nigeria,

1:32:59

he lived in

1:33:01

England and South Africa and all sorts

1:33:03

of other places. But he

1:33:05

has worked his entire career

1:33:06

in Australia. I know that's the thing.

1:33:08

He's worked almost until I probably could have done it, but

1:33:10

I just didn't want to get yelled at from anybody. Now

1:33:13

I'm going to yell that from Australians. We're like, we claim

1:33:15

him. They

1:33:18

should. They should. They absolutely

1:33:20

should. Listen, if you were in Priscilla, Queen of

1:33:22

Desert, you're Australian. Sorry, Sharon, snap, but it's true.

1:33:27

Do we want to talk about survival movies in the Oscars?

1:33:29

Because I feel like this is an interesting topic.

1:33:32

Yeah. I was like, because

1:33:34

I was trying to think like, oh, is this like a well

1:33:36

that the Oscars go to very often?

1:33:38

And I was like, not really, like I guess 127

1:33:42

hours. But then I was thinking, I'm like, disaster

1:33:44

movies are a different thing. No,

1:33:47

it's not quite a disaster movie. And it's like

1:33:49

some of these are like I included I made

1:33:51

a little list and I included things like wild, which

1:33:54

isn't quite true. She's not like trapped

1:33:56

in the wild or lost in the wild, but like she

1:33:58

is sort of surviving on her own for a while. But

1:34:00

like cast away is like this

1:34:02

life of pie is like this Into

1:34:05

the wild is like this which is another

1:34:08

John Krakauer book turned into a

1:34:10

movie And then stuff that

1:34:12

hasn't been nominated but like all is lost

1:34:15

is clearly You know like

1:34:17

this where he's lost at sea unbroken. They

1:34:19

spend so much of that movie with those soldiers

1:34:22

Pilots, they're not working at one of those rando

1:34:25

single-ass combinations. Yeah Yes,

1:34:27

Roger Deakins. That's right. That's right I

1:34:30

included the edge because they are like it's a plane

1:34:32

crash and they survived and then there's

1:34:35

a bear. Oh, yeah This

1:34:37

year there's society of the snow Oh

1:34:41

the J.A. Bayona one. Mm-hmm the

1:34:43

Spanish mission Which

1:34:45

is the same story as alive which was

1:34:47

also a movie I thought I put it on this list But

1:34:49

yeah, it's the it's the soccer team or

1:34:52

the rugby team that was crashed in the Andes

1:34:54

Mountains The

1:34:56

mountain between us we talk about all the time fuck mountain

1:34:58

mountain

1:35:00

Yeah Which we got to do

1:35:02

at some point we got to do fuck Mountain I would love

1:35:04

to do an episode just so I can see fuck

1:35:06

Mountain

1:35:07

and we've talked about free solo obviously

1:35:09

Which is a documentary but there have been other documentaries.

1:35:11

I feel like there was another one Fairly

1:35:14

recently that that was on the shortlist, but didn't

1:35:16

make it right a couple years ago. What am I?

1:35:19

Soccer team that is it the Ron Howard

1:35:22

movie, but it's

1:35:22

oh, well, yes the Ron Howard. Yes The

1:35:24

same directors as free solo. Yeah, and there's

1:35:27

also naya Movie

1:35:30

have survival movie. Yeah, does she get

1:35:32

like lost at sea? Is that a thing? She

1:35:34

gets stung by a bunch of jellyfish, I think yeah.

1:35:37

Yeah, she gets like stung by jellyfish on the face

1:35:40

It's damn it's equal

1:35:42

survivor movie and sport movie I would say what

1:35:44

I think is interesting is some of these movies

1:35:46

when they do get nominated They are sort of like

1:35:48

acting showcases because you are essentially a

1:35:51

lot of these ones are like it's just you and the elements

1:35:53

It's just Tom Hanks and a volleyball.

1:35:56

It's just James Franco and you know

1:35:58

a rock and whatever. And

1:36:01

then sometimes, in the case of Life

1:36:03

of Pi, it's everything else gets nominated

1:36:06

and they sort of ignore the actor

1:36:08

in it. And I

1:36:11

don't know. It's just... Do

1:36:13

you guys have any thoughts about this as a genre?

1:36:15

Is this a genre that you sort of go for, don't

1:36:19

go for? Do we see why the Oscars like

1:36:22

it? I mean, it feels like the Oscars

1:36:24

can like it when it's trying to take that extra

1:36:26

step toward meaning, like we were talking

1:36:28

about, which Everest does not do because

1:36:30

it's so easy to kind of

1:36:33

do the opposite

1:36:33

version. I mean, I don't know

1:36:35

if you really want to count this, but like I saw the Poseidon

1:36:37

Adventure for the first time, like not that long

1:36:40

ago. And that's like your rival that's like really,

1:36:42

really corny, but also just has like just

1:36:44

enough of a layer

1:36:45

of meaning on top of it. And that was during

1:36:47

the era where they were nominating a lot

1:36:49

of those, like the towering inferno

1:36:51

and the airport. Yeah. Yeah.

1:36:55

I also thought of The Perfect Storm, which

1:36:57

I think is a visual effects nominee, but beyond

1:36:59

that. That's another one where it's just like there are people on

1:37:01

the boat and then there are the people in the like radio

1:37:04

room back at home trying to... That's Frantonio.

1:37:07

Mary Elizabeth. And it's somebody else too. It's like,

1:37:10

it's not Cherry Jones, but it's like... Diane

1:37:12

Lane is, I believe, Mark Wahlberg's

1:37:14

wife. Right. I feel

1:37:16

like that's a cast where it's like, there are probably

1:37:19

people in that movie who I didn't realize

1:37:22

were people. Like I bet you Becky

1:37:24

M. Baker's in that movie. Like I will bet

1:37:26

money that Becky M. Baker's in

1:37:28

that movie. Do

1:37:29

you want to know what's a real, like I don't think this, you

1:37:31

could qualify as Oscar buzz, but real Everest style

1:37:33

movie from the same period. The Finest Hours.

1:37:35

Oh yeah.

1:37:36

Like Not Quite the Perfect

1:37:38

Storm. Chris Pine, right? Chris Pine,

1:37:40

KTF like Ben Foster, Eric Bana,

1:37:43

John McGarrow's in there.

1:37:44

It is, I...

1:37:48

Eric Bana in that movie could have been, I could have used

1:37:50

his character in that for the game instead of his funny

1:37:53

people character. I don't know if

1:37:55

I would have remembered he was in it as much as I like it. No,

1:37:57

it's true. The Perfect Storm is... Clooney

1:38:00

Wahlberg, John C. Riley,

1:38:03

Diane Lane, who is Wahlberg's

1:38:05

wife, girlfriend, William

1:38:09

Fickner, John Hawks. So

1:38:11

there's your connection to it. I can't say it, God John Hawks is in that. Mary

1:38:14

Elizabeth Mestre Antonio, Karen Allen

1:38:16

is a crew member on a

1:38:19

different boat. Bob Gunton, who is one

1:38:21

movie away from being a six

1:38:23

timer. That will be our weirdest six timers

1:38:25

club, I can't wait. Christopher McDonald, Dash

1:38:27

Mahawk, who is in The Day After Tomorrow,

1:38:30

which is another sort of, that's more

1:38:32

disaster than survival, but

1:38:34

still. Michael Ironside, Cherry Jones

1:38:36

is in this movie. Oh my God, amazing. She's

1:38:39

on the boat. No,

1:38:42

Becky Ann Baker, I am frankly

1:38:45

galled at that. That's outrageous.

1:38:49

I would say to your comment about

1:38:52

a lot of these movies seeming like acting

1:38:54

showcases, I think a lot of that is because,

1:38:57

and

1:38:59

Life of Pi being maybe the most successful

1:39:02

of them, interestingly, I think qualifies

1:39:04

for what I'm about to say. A

1:39:07

lot of them maybe feel that way because

1:39:10

they were shot on sites. Like

1:39:12

I'm thinking of something like Wild,

1:39:15

Cast Away, was shot on

1:39:18

an island, but then they break so that Tom

1:39:20

Hanks can lose all of that weight, et cetera. Unbroken

1:39:23

is a movie where they lost all that weight too. They

1:39:27

basically drown Robert Redford

1:39:30

on screen in All Is Lost.

1:39:33

It's the type of movies that, of course, Oscar

1:39:36

always falls for this of like,

1:39:37

look at how we suffered to make this movie. We didn't

1:39:39

put the Revenant on this list, but that's right up

1:39:41

there too. Oh, we totally could have, right? That's

1:39:43

true.

1:39:45

Whereas Everest is one of the

1:39:47

movies that wasn't as successful

1:39:50

with Oscar, and Life of Pi is like

1:39:52

the opposite of this because it

1:39:54

was so obvious that like, the survival

1:39:57

elements were shot in a studio.

1:39:59

Or on a computer, like, yeah. Yeah,

1:40:02

right. Yeah. Did you also

1:40:04

notice, by the way, Katie, I'm sure you did, that

1:40:07

this movie has a quasi

1:40:11

Kate Winslet comeback blowing the whistle

1:40:13

moment where they,

1:40:16

the one guy comes back and he looks at everybody

1:40:18

and he thinks everybody's dead and he grabs like the one person

1:40:20

who seems like he's alive and then there's Josh Brolin

1:40:23

who can't like call out or anything

1:40:26

but he's trying to get him to come back.

1:40:28

That's all I can think of is Kate going, come back. Come back. Always.

1:40:32

Titanic, not a survivalist movie,

1:40:34

even though it has a scene of that, obviously,

1:40:37

when they're all out in the water. Yeah.

1:40:40

I think that fits into a different box.

1:40:42

Do you think there is a world

1:40:44

in which, do you think there was a threshold

1:40:47

at which avarist could have been

1:40:49

so technically marvelous

1:40:51

as like an IMAX spectacle

1:40:54

to have demanded like

1:40:57

Avatar style recognition?

1:40:59

I

1:41:01

mean, that I think Avatar style is

1:41:03

kind of your tip or like in the exact like dip

1:41:06

between avatars in terms of like technical

1:41:08

wizardry at the Oscars

1:41:10

and we're like well into the

1:41:13

Marvel period. Like I was trying

1:41:14

to scroll down and see what actually did get nominated. I guess

1:41:16

the Revenant did sort of take up that plot

1:41:18

that year. Well, no, Mad Max took up that

1:41:20

plot. This year is Mad Max Fury Road, which is all practical

1:41:23

for the most part. There's digital elements

1:41:25

to it, but like that

1:41:28

was thought of and rewarded for its practical. Yeah,

1:41:30

but it loses visual effects to Ex Machina,

1:41:33

which is super cool. One of

1:41:35

my favorite Oscar wins since the last 10 years.

1:41:38

God, it's almost 10 years ago now.

1:41:40

It's like eight years ago.

1:41:42

That's

1:41:42

the Ex Machina visual effects team are some of the people

1:41:44

who have let me hold their Oscars at the Vanity

1:41:46

Fair Oscar party. Really? Oh, yeah. If

1:41:49

you stay late, it's always the like the crew, like the

1:41:51

line people who are there the

1:41:52

latest in their life, having a great time. Oh, I love that. They're

1:41:55

like, you want to hold my Oscar? Sure. And they're very

1:41:57

careful about it, but like they're very eager

1:41:59

to share. So yeah, thanks. Thanks for

1:42:01

that. Oh, yeah good for them good

1:42:03

people. Yeah, what is his next movie?

1:42:06

What is garland's next movie? He's

1:42:08

doing the Civil War for a 24. I presume

1:42:13

will come out

1:42:14

in 2024

1:42:16

Because they shot it like

1:42:18

I think a year or two ago Dunst

1:42:21

is in it

1:42:23

and I don't think there's been really any other details

1:42:25

though I heard a rumor that the movie

1:42:27

has some like

1:42:29

first-person shooter type

1:42:31

Cinematography in it, which I hope

1:42:34

is just a rumor and is not founded

1:42:36

because no one wants that. That sounds unpleasant

1:42:39

Yeah, um Katie

1:42:42

as specifically I wanted to ask you about this

1:42:44

this Going down the list

1:42:46

of universals other movies in 2015. Oh, yeah

1:42:48

me that this was the summer that I covered for Whoever

1:42:53

was that comic-con? but Remember

1:42:56

what I did like that's why I have my little like thank-you

1:42:58

note from Graydon Carter because I like spent

1:43:01

a weekend Or whatever a week covering

1:43:03

news at Vanity Fair And

1:43:06

I remember one of the stories that year

1:43:09

was how universal

1:43:11

like owned The like

1:43:13

first half of the year box office wise that there was a

1:43:15

point where like yeah Six of the top

1:43:17

ten that box office a year to date was

1:43:19

universal stuff where they had furious

1:43:21

seven and then Jurassic World was such a huge

1:43:24

hit and then Like pitch

1:43:26

perfect to and straight out of Compton and minions

1:43:28

and all this sort of stuff But wait

1:43:30

was like oh the one thing I thought

1:43:33

of at the very beginning of the movie So you have the universal

1:43:35

logo right? Which is the spinning globe and

1:43:37

I'm like there is no excuse for this

1:43:39

movie to not not to

1:43:42

not have the glow Well, the globe never

1:43:44