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hi I'm Todd Turner and welcome to his

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story podcast where we will look into

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the calling events and personalities of

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those God is using around the globe as

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his hands and feet to do his good work

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hello and welcome to his story

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today's guest is harmony Grillo founder

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of treasures in Southern California

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harmony thanks for taking time to be

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with us today my pleasure thank you for

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having me okay so normally before we get

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into the Ministry of a person that we

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interview we'd like to learn a little

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bit more about their backstory in your

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case your backstory ties in dramatically

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to to your your mission and your life's

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work so would you just talk a little

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about how where you grew up what kind of

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family situation you were in and and and

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we'll go from there are you ready now

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just kidding yeah absolutely because the

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work that I'm doing today is completely

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based on and birthed out of my story in

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my history so I was raised in Venice

1:08

California and in a neighborhood where

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there was a lot of gang rivalry there

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was a gang war actually for most of my

1:15

childhood so it was an unsafe situation

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there and then also my home was really

1:22

chaotic my mother struggled

1:23

unfortunately with a drug addiction she

1:26

herself had a history of trauma so there

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was just a lot of brokenness that was

1:30

repeated and you know just generational

1:33

cycles that were passed down to me and

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we one of my one of the things that

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really kind of shaped everything was for

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first of all history of abuse and rape

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that was a big big factor for me you

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know there was it was years before I

1:50

could think about that I used to think

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if I ever said that I had been sexually

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abused to have to put me in a

1:55

straitjacket cuz I couldn't even just

1:56

form the words it was something that was

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I was so ashamed of because I really

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blame myself like many victims do for

2:04

those situations even though as a child

2:07

one of my abusers wasn't one of my

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mother's boyfriends and at that point I

2:11

was 13 I started standing up for myself

2:14

and I finally ran away from home to get

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away from the situation and you know

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unfortunately my mom you know she didn't

2:24

protect me from what was happening she

2:26

taught me the thing that she learned

2:28

when she was a kid which is

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it's your fault and she said you know if

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you weren't wearing shorts and tank tops

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this wouldn't be happening this is how

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men are harmony you should know how men

2:36

are and I think she was just trying to

2:40

teach me the ways of the world but you

2:41

know obviously that was a very broken

2:43

message to receive so she finally had

2:46

him leave and told me I could come home

2:48

and that things were fine and I'd be

2:50

safe and I came home and then she ended

2:53

up believing to follow him to Canada and

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she left me at 13 with my eight-year-old

2:57

brother for three months with $20 in the

3:00

book of food stamps and obviously that

3:02

did it last long I started stealing from

3:04

the liquor store to support us and that

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is when I became involved in a

3:10

relationship with an older boy my

3:12

neighbor my neighborhood who when he was

3:15

around I didn't have to steal food

3:16

because he'd buy it and when he was

3:18

around I felt protected because he would

3:19

tell me anyone got you you know anyone

3:21

messes me I've got your back and that

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meant a lot like in a situation where we

3:26

literally hear get gunshots every single

3:29

night you know to have someone looking

3:31

out for you meant a lot and so I became

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very deeply attached to him and what I

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now understand is a trauma bond and you

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know now we we train people and help

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people understand you know exploitation

3:43

and and how and why people stay and one

3:46

of those factors is the trauma bond the

3:48

kind of thawne that's created between an

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abuser an exploiter a trafficker and

3:53

their victim and so certainly that was

3:55

operating very deeply and intensely in

3:57

my life and ultimately that relationship

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you know was abusive and led me to

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working in strip clubs at the age of 19

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under his control with him being my pimp

4:08

and just wasn't a really awful downward

4:13

spiral of life yeah so you know I'm

4:17

gonna ask people to talk about mentors

4:20

or positive people in their life in

4:22

their childhood and in your case it

4:24

sounds like you were surrounded with

4:25

negativity right so I'm gonna change my

4:27

question is what what did you gain from

4:32

that from the childhood like what

4:35

characteristics or positive traits have

4:38

you that you carried today were birthed

4:41

by the type of

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I said you live because that's a rough

4:44

rough life well you know actually so

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first of all I mean I'm a fighter you

4:52

know I that was the way I responded was

4:54

to be a fighter I mean maybe it took a

4:56

while for me to find that fight but I do

4:57

want to actually speak to the question

4:59

you were thinking of asking but didn't

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and it's the the positive influence

5:03

because obviously my family of origin I

5:06

didn't have that you know in my

5:08

immediate family however I really do

5:12

believe that safe positive relationships

5:15

are so important in building resilience

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and children and build and developing

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the ability to have healthy secure

5:22

attachment and so even though in a lot

5:25

of ways I wasn't able to experience that

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with my parents and with the people

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amount around me I had a grandmother and

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I had an aunt and they had a huge role

5:37

in my life first of all my my

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grandmother was a Southern Baptist and

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she was a praying woman so I know she

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was praying for me but she made an

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effort to have relationship with me and

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she made an effort to show me love and

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she gave me an opportunity to develop

5:55

secure attachment attachment and also an

5:57

opportunity to see a different life

5:59

although it I felt for a very long time

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I thought her life is so different than

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mine she could never understand what I'm

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going through and most of it she didn't

6:06

know about right most of it was kept

6:07

hidden from her but eventually when I

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learned more about her and that she

6:12

actually grew up in poverty and that she

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had had you know some experiences that

6:16

were very traumatic in shaping and that

6:18

she overcame that when I finally

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realized that in my 20s I had such um

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ignited such hope in me that I could

6:27

have a different life to and that my

6:28

past didn't have to determine my future

6:30

so I say all that because um I really

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you know what what I do today and we're

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not we're not there yet but in

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encouraging and training and other

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people to to do this work and work with

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victims of exploitation and trafficking

6:44

but to know that we can have such a

6:47

positive impact and a positive influence

6:50

in the lives of other people as through

6:53

relationship through positive

6:55

relationships there's this

6:57

guy I forgot his name but he wrote this

6:59

book called the boy who has a dog and he

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is a trauma expert and he is one of the

7:05

people that's called - when there is

7:07

just severely traumatic things you know

7:11

like Columbine er you know what was the

7:13

one where they with the kool-aid and so

7:16

anyways he works with trauma victims I'm

7:18

getting you can google it listen I'm I'm

7:20

not Google but let google it but one of

7:22

the things he talks about is sometimes

7:23

the most therapeutic thing a person can

7:27

experience is not therapy

7:28

but therapeutic relationship and so what

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he found is that the people that did

7:33

were more resilient and did better at

7:36

overcoming trauma we're not the ones

7:38

with the best therapists but the ones

7:40

with the most positive relationships and

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so I say that to encourage people who

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are listening and maybe have people in

7:45

their life that you're like what can I

7:46

do their life seems so far gone what

7:48

difference could I make you can invest

7:51

in them and you can make a positive

7:52

impact in their lives well I think we're

7:55

gonna circle back to that in a minute

7:57

with your with your work now but that's

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a great point thank you for stopping

8:02

there for a minute yeah you mentioned

8:03

that you're a fighter

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is that a personality trait that still

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stays with you today I mean it like I

8:10

mean I can only imagine living a life

8:12

where you have to sort of

8:13

compartmentalize your life but yeah are

8:17

you are you still a fighter and if so

8:20

what is that what does that mean just

8:22

that's my husband I'm not a fighter like

8:25

that but um yeah you know I do think you

8:29

know it's nature nurture there I come

8:31

from a long line that's really strong

8:33

women so there is just something wired

8:36

in my personality where I do think that

8:38

you know I can I'm pretty tenacious you

8:40

know I and and another thing that

8:44

contributes towards resilience is

8:46

optimism and I do have a tendency to be

8:48

I'm not completely Pollyanna

8:51

rose-colored glasses but I'm optimistic

8:53

I can usually find the silver lining I

8:55

can usually see you know the good in a

8:57

situation so I think those things help

9:02

we're gonna talk a little bit about your

9:05

college later but were you a good

9:07

student in all this or were you just

9:09

passing

9:10

school or have you always been a reader

9:12

in a learner so for most of my childhood

9:16

for most of my education I was and I try

9:19

I even despite everything that was going

9:21

on you know in my home I kept my grades

9:23

up and kept the smile and blah blah but

9:26

then it took a turn in junior high and

9:29

things really started going downhill and

9:31

in high school I almost didn't graduate

9:33

I got called in and they said if you

9:35

miss one more day at school you're not

9:36

graduating and in fact you know when I

9:39

applied to colleges I didn't get into

9:41

any of them because my grades were so

9:43

bad but when I was living in a group

9:46

home when I was a teenager I had my mom

9:50

unfortunately was also physically

9:52

abusive at times and so I ended up

9:54

living in a group home temporarily and

9:55

the residential counselor in the group

9:58

home one day he said okay I've got to

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end our meeting because I'm going I got

10:01

I have to leave I'm going to go to

10:03

college and I knew him cuz he was from

10:06

the same neighborhood as me and the idea

10:08

that he was in college was just like

10:10

really kind of preposterous to me cuz I

10:12

just thought like what why what's the

10:14

point and and he looked at me he said

10:16

because I'm gonna be the first black

10:18

president of the United States it was

10:20

not Obama that would have been really

10:22

cool if it was Obama

10:24

it would be a great story but I was so

10:28

moved by his just the hope that he had

10:32

for his life that I made a decision that

10:35

day I promise you that education was

10:38

going to be a life raft for me and that

10:40

I was going to apply myself to school

10:42

that that's one thing I could do I

10:43

couldn't control so many of the things

10:44

that were happening in my life but I

10:45

could apply myself to school and from

10:47

that day forward I started working

10:49

towards getting all A's and in fact I

10:52

went through all of undergraduate with I

10:54

think 1b and graduated magna [ __ ] laude

10:56

from UCLA and then got a master's degree

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as well because of that one comment Wow

11:04

and did you go to school in the middle

11:07

of stripping and all that at the same

11:12

time I did I did and you know I I'm

11:16

someone I didn't many people who are

11:18

experienced exploitation work in the sex

11:20

industry used drugs and alcohol

11:23

for me I had such an intense history of

11:25

trauma I was able to very easily

11:27

dissociate and just kind of detach from

11:29

my reality so I didn't use drugs and

11:32

alcohol but one of the ways that I

11:33

escaped was through education I just I

11:36

really when I say I decided that that

11:38

was my life raft it was how I coped with

11:41

the chaos in my life was to dedicate

11:44

myself to education and I studied

11:46

psychology ironically and I got my

11:49

masters in Social Welfare but I got my

11:51

bachelor's in psychology but I think a

11:52

lot of that was driven by a desire to

11:54

understand my own craziness and make

11:58

sense of my life you're making me jump

12:03

so far ahead of my questioning but I'm

12:04

gonna use it because it segues nicely so

12:07

did you see your I mean I feel like

12:11

there's two things I know a little bit

12:13

more about your story your a lot of

12:15

women feel trapped into their situation

12:19

at the same time you're pursuing

12:21

education in your mind did you think as

12:24

soon as I get this degree in get a real

12:25

job I'm out of here or were you just

12:27

trying to get educated and you didn't

12:29

know there was a way out

12:30

is that a fair question I did yeah yeah

12:33

I did hope that education would give me

12:37

a way out of the commercial sex industry

12:39

I didn't understand at the time and this

12:43

is this is the thing with the kind of

12:45

manipulative tactics that exploiters use

12:47

I didn't understand that my boyfriend

12:50

was my pimp I didn't see that I was

12:52

being exploited because he you know sold

12:56

me the lie that this is temporary you

12:59

know at the end of this it's gonna be

13:01

you and me we just have to do this for a

13:02

little while and it was it was

13:05

supposedly a means to an end but they're

13:07

in now I look back and realize that for

13:09

him there was never an end you know so

13:12

okay so sorry for my lack of education

13:16

so I'm gonna ask some crazy questions

13:18

because I don't underst I don't

13:20

understand the difference when we talk

13:22

about you know sex trafficking I mean in

13:26

my mind I guess the the naive part is is

13:29

stripping and stripping I know what

13:30

prostitution is when we hear the word

13:33

like sex industry and trafficking and I

13:35

don't I don't get it so I want to ask

13:37

them

13:37

questions what you'd explain it doesn't

13:40

have to be all of your story you've

13:41

lived ya know enough to know way a lot

13:45

more than I do and whether audience does

13:47

so you know Jerry Falwell

13:49

the old I think Southern Baptist

13:52

preacher he had a good line to like you

13:54

don't have to stick your head in the

13:55

gutter to know what smells right so we

13:57

know it smells

13:59

we know this industry is bad but I don't

14:01

talk a little bit about it because

14:03

stripping is not just taking off your

14:05

clothes getting the car and going back

14:06

home it's a lifestyle in an industry

14:08

that's right then most people know can

14:11

you just dig into that a little yeah

14:12

totally so I appreciate you bringing

14:14

this up because there are some important

14:17

distinctions to make so you're you hear

14:20

me use the word exploitation you hear me

14:21

use the word trafficking we're talking

14:23

about commercial sex industry

14:24

so basically exploitation is when

14:28

someone uses the attractiveness or

14:29

sexuality of another person for their

14:31

own personal gain that's exploitation it

14:35

it only becomes trafficking when

14:38

according to the federal definition

14:39

there's force fraud or coercion involved

14:42

or the person is under 18 so

14:46

exploitation becomes trafficking when

14:48

that person is tricked coerced forced

14:51

through physical violence or emotional

14:53

manipulation or that person is a minor

14:56

then it's trafficking right now where

14:59

things get a little bit dicey and where

15:00

people maybe have some different

15:02

perspectives is I am of the mindset that

15:05

the commercial sex industry is

15:08

inherently exploitative for a few

15:11

reasons one we if you look at all the

15:14

body of research around the women who

15:17

end up in the sex industry it's the most

15:18

vulnerable in our society that are the

15:20

most susceptible right so it's it's

15:22

vulnerable people that are ending up

15:25

more often not in the commercial sex

15:27

industry are there exceptions to that

15:29

absolutely

15:31

research shows 89 percent want to leave

15:33

but don't see any other options so

15:35

there's an 11 percent who say I want to

15:37

be here

15:37

great but there's 89 who say I don't

15:39

have any other options right and then

15:42

when you look at the way the commercial

15:44

sex industry is set up in different ways

15:46

you know in the different areas it fits

15:49

the definition of exploitation because

15:51

someone else is profiting off of the

15:52

sexuality or attractiveness of another

15:54

person then when a woman works in a

15:56

strip club you know depending on how the

15:58

strip club is set up she pays a house

16:01

feat of work that night right if she

16:04

doesn't make enough money she can walk

16:05

away

16:06

owing the house money and not making any

16:09

money even if she works right or you

16:12

know you have to cash out and tip a

16:14

percentage to the managers the door guys

16:17

the bouncers the bartenders the cocktail

16:18

waitresses right so all of these other

16:20

people are profiting off of your

16:21

sexuality and that in that case so in

16:24

that way I'm of the mindset you know

16:26

that it's inherently exploitative but at

16:30

the end of the day those are the that's

16:31

a distinction exploitation versus

16:33

trafficking and that and the thing is is

16:35

sometimes it's not always so cut you

16:37

know black and white in the course of a

16:39

person's story like so for example this

16:43

is a quick example there's a woman and

16:46

then often you see the history of trauma

16:47

an abuse very common for those of us

16:49

that have experienced this right so

16:52

woman comes to us history of trauma and

16:53

abuse she's working she had been forced

16:57

into prostitution by a pimp

16:59

and then another guy comes to her and

17:02

says you don't have to work in

17:03

prostitution you can work in strip clubs

17:04

make plenty of money I'll help you

17:06

escape him and you know you only have to

17:08

pay me 20 percent as a manager right so

17:11

he's he's using some coercive tactics

17:14

right but he's doing more exploitation

17:16

versus trafficking although it could be

17:18

argued that even that's trafficking

17:19

right eventually she finally gets the

17:21

courage to leave him and she you know

17:24

ditches him and then is working in strip

17:27

clubs on her own of her own choice right

17:30

so and when she tries to leave she can't

17:33

find another job

17:34

so then the question becomes what's

17:36

choice without options so here's a

17:37

person who was initially trafficked then

17:39

she was exploited and then she was in a

17:41

situation where she would say she's

17:42

there by choice but you look at her

17:45

history and you look at you know what

17:46

she's faced with what's choice without

17:48

options right okay before oh you don't

17:51

know how much I want to go down that

17:53

line but I'm gonna hold off I wanna go I

17:55

don't think we can get to the problem

17:59

and how you're helping it without

18:01

knowing your story of how you got out

18:04

okay what how did you get our link okay

18:08

what is that normally look like is your

18:10

story special or it's their you know

18:13

talk about the industry starting about

18:17

your story and then you can bleed that

18:18

into other people's story and what are

18:20

those statistics of getting out and what

18:21

does that normally look like right yeah

18:24

I just first want to say that my story

18:28

is not special or unique it's not even

18:31

particularly when you hear stories it's

18:34

not even particularly I don't want to

18:37

compare but like extreme right like

18:40

there are people with way more extreme

18:42

stories and than mine and at the end of

18:46

the day God is not a respecter of

18:47

persons and what he did in my life he

18:49

can and will do in the lives of other

18:51

people so I just want to say that I am

18:54

NOT special in that sense I'm special in

18:56

the way that we're all special you know

18:58

but I'm not special

19:01

so for me my journey out really began

19:06

with a relationship I met a girl whose

19:09

friendship changed my life she loved me

19:13

unconditionally and she showed me the

19:15

unconditional love of God she did not

19:17

our friendship was not contingent on me

19:19

going to church with her she didn't bite

19:20

me but when I didn't want to go because

19:22

that's the last place I wanted to be I

19:24

thought if there is a God then I don't

19:25

think he likes people like me and I

19:27

don't know if I like him and so but she

19:29

didn't let that stop her she'd take me

19:31

to frozen yogurt would spend time

19:32

together and she showed genuine care and

19:34

love for me as a person and I never felt

19:36

like a ministry project that would have

19:38

so turned me off I would have but I

19:39

would have run the other way if I sensed

19:41

that if I smelled that people can sense

19:42

it when you think they're a project

19:44

rather than a person they can tell and

19:46

so but she loved me unconditionally I

19:49

finally took her up on her offer to go

19:51

to church and I what I experienced was

19:53

this sense that I am home and I I wanted

19:56

to keep coming back but my life was

19:57

still my life it didn't change overnight

19:59

and the gift that she gave me is space

20:04

to work that out she never tried to be

20:07

the Holy Spirit she never said now that

20:09

you're Church get off the pole break up

20:10

with the boyfriend put on some clothes

20:12

stop cussing right like give me the

20:14

rules right mm-hm she really loved me

20:17

and gave space for the holy spirit to

20:19

speak to me and do a work in my heart

20:21

that ultimately led to change in my life

20:23

and that's really the model for the way

20:26

we do care at treasures today and I

20:28

think a lot of times what the church

20:30

tries to do is say if you if you behave

20:34

and believe then you can belong right if

20:39

you behave and you believe then you can

20:40

belong then we'll accept you that never

20:43

would have worked for me I wouldn't be

20:44

sitting here today if that was how she

20:47

tried to reach me right but what she did

20:50

and what I think is way more powerful is

20:52

if we are our actions or behavior our

20:55

communication demonstrates you belong

20:58

you belong and it's from that place of

21:02

belonging that then will be inspired to

21:05

believe and from that place of belonging

21:07

that maybe will consider some different

21:09

behaviors right but it's from knowing

21:12

that we belong there great I love how

21:14

the Bible you know works and it's

21:16

timeless it's the same idea of the

21:18

Pharisee saying behavior and Jesus going

21:21

to eat with the sinners and love it

21:23

right

21:23

right you belong right exactly

21:28

each sort of knows what he's talking

21:29

about right yeah okay so thank oh you're

21:33

out and I don't know whether we're

21:36

talking years or decades here but at

21:39

some point you wrote a book and at some

21:42

point you decided to invest into a

21:45

ministry to help other people so talk

21:47

about that journey and how long did that

21:49

take from leaving to helping yeah so I

21:53

remember um I've always had a heart to

21:57

do something meaningful or help other

21:59

people but my life was just too much of

22:01

a wreck to actually do that but I do

22:03

remember actually one night in sitting

22:05

in the strip club and I looked over at

22:08

this woman and I said I think I'm gonna

22:10

write a book about this one day and she

22:12

was like what and I was like yeah I

22:15

think I think I'm gonna write about this

22:16

and I was in the midst of it but I just

22:18

had that that sense and then when I left

22:20

I really had this strong sense that the

22:24

choices I made mattered and that I was

22:28

going to have to give an account for

22:30

them

22:31

that I was going to have to share my

22:35

process to help other people one day so

22:38

it gave me this increased level of

22:40

accountability that what I'm doing today

22:42

is going to matter not just in my own

22:45

life and for those outcomes but for

22:48

other people and that's certainly the

22:50

case and what is kind of unique about my

22:53

story is I was not out that long and

22:57

hadn't been in recovery that long before

23:00

I started treasures which I mean it's by

23:03

the grace of God we're still here so I

23:05

left the industry and I mean I started

23:09

treasures in 2003 and I left the

23:12

industry in 99 I think maybe 98 so not

23:16

that long especially with the kind of

23:18

trauma that I had been through but I am

23:21

a tenacious person and when I committed

23:23

myself to healing and recovery I

23:25

committed myself to healing and recovery

23:26

very fully listen I was still a hot mess

23:29

calm like I look back and I'm like I had

23:32

no business deciding to start a ministry

23:34

what would I think helping others right

23:40

but God's grace is sufficient and and

23:43

really it was it was birthed out of me

23:45

there was no one doing anything like

23:46

this 20 years ago and and I found myself

23:50

sitting across the street from the club

23:51

where I used to work and I knew that I

23:53

needed to do something to reach the

23:55

woman still working inside and the

23:57

vision of treasures was birthed at night

23:59

and we started out with just strip club

24:01

outreach now we do outreach to women in

24:05

online forums who are being exploited

24:07

women in porn through HIV testing sites

24:09

and then also girls and juvenile

24:11

detention centers so we expanded

24:13

outreach since the beginning and then

24:15

just once we started reaching all right

24:17

we have to do something to care for them

24:19

so I developed a mentoring program and

24:21

then down the line we developed support

24:23

groups and now we do both of those

24:27

things to this day and then again

24:29

birthed out of need we had people there

24:31

was a situation where my story was

24:33

featured in Glamour magazine and our

24:35

phone lines crashed our website crashed

24:37

our everything crashed because of all of

24:41

these people all these women from all

24:42

over the world

24:43

not for help looking for support and we

24:46

were doing our best to meet those needs

24:49

but we also recognize that this work is

24:51

best done locally by people who can you

24:54

know have relationships so that's why we

24:56

started training people to replicate

24:58

this model of outreach in their cities

25:00

so that when someone contacts us you

25:02

know from another city hopefully we have

25:04

something pretty relatively nearby that

25:06

can support them and we've had the

25:08

opportunity to train in about 120 cities

25:10

now all over the world and throwers are

25:12

all of it was really birthed out of need

25:15

well I what I hear here is that you knew

25:19

you you were in the middle of the

25:21

problem you look back and you want to

25:23

help people out of it but over the

25:25

course of the last when we had 15 17

25:28

years now you've matured how you attack

25:31

this because you've learned a lot over

25:34

time oh yeah and I'm still growing I'm

25:36

still learning yeah absolutely I mean

25:39

I'd say that's the other thing that has

25:41

been a benefit to me is I have a hunger

25:44

for growth and learning I think that's

25:47

that's really been helpful and then

25:50

similarly with my my memoir scars and

25:53

stilettos it took me like seven years to

25:54

write it because I was not a good writer

25:56

I had to learn how to write

25:58

I had a public I got a publishing deal

25:59

right off the bat and they gave me the

26:02

advance and then when I turned in the

26:04

manuscript they were like no and I was

26:06

devastated and I actually had to go and

26:08

take writing classes with professional

26:10

writers and learn how to write and then

26:11

everybody's boring a writer by the way

26:15

right but it was it was so worth it so

26:19

the book came after ya to that so I

26:23

started trousers in 2003 and then I

26:25

released scars and stilettos the first

26:27

edition in 2009 and we're getting ready

26:29

to release the audio version I'm so

26:30

excited

26:31

that's great okay so I'm gonna backtrack

26:33

just a little bit so explain I know

26:38

there's nothing typical right I mean but

26:40

I guess there's there's averages how

26:42

long is somebody in the sex industry and

26:44

how do they normally get out is it

26:46

normally bad news of how they get out

26:48

and in their 20s like are you just going

26:51

in and whoever's in the in the building

26:54

is who you're ministering to or you sort

26:55

of calculated winds

26:57

your time to hit them and what was their

26:59

road if you don't save them yeah

27:02

from from the industry like what happens

27:05

to them yeah so obviously it's it varies

27:08

hugely from person to person but when we

27:10

did a survey and we said we have about

27:13

maybe 1500 2000 women that that we have

27:17

their contact information that have

27:19

reached out to us over the years so we

27:20

did a survey of them to find out some of

27:22

the answers to the things you're talking

27:23

about one of the things that we found is

27:26

about 90% of them entered the commercial

27:28

sex industry before the age of 24 many

27:30

of them as teenagers and so what's

27:33

interesting about that is when you think

27:35

about brain development and when you

27:37

think about our prefrontal cortex that

27:39

doesn't finish developing until the

27:41

mid-20s which is where decision-making

27:44

comes from that a lot of times people

27:46

are making the decision to enter the

27:48

commercial sex industry well before

27:51

their brain has finished developing now

27:53

when you look at a person who has had

27:55

trauma that affects brain development

27:57

and that that makes that you know period

28:01

of even further out right so the frontal

28:03

cortex is affected by trauma so that

28:07

that's one thing many of them started

28:09

very very early and then when it comes

28:11

to how long they're in it really varies

28:13

from person to person but I literally

28:15

have I know firsthand a woman in their

28:19

80s I kid you not

28:21

escorting kid you not obviously that's

28:25

the extreme end of the spectrum what we

28:27

see at treasures a lot so you know we

28:30

work with juvenile detention center as

28:32

we work with department of probation and

28:35

the build relationship with a lot of the

28:37

young women a lot of times it's not

28:40

until they're in there either late 20s

28:42

all the way up through the 40s where

28:45

they start to say oh I actually need

28:48

some help and I need to make a change

28:50

here obviously we hope that that happens

28:52

sooner there's intervention happening so

28:54

that it does but kind of left to their

28:56

own devices that's what I'm see

28:58

happening is it's usually not until late

29:00

20s at the earliest 30s and 40s that

29:02

women start to say oh I feel really

29:04

stuck and I could use some help here

29:05

that's what I see so III know a brother

29:10

he's

29:10

an article or a video of you talking

29:12

about people who get out and the cycle

29:16

of getting back in and I'm assuming

29:18

money is a huge factor right if you're

29:21

making really good money and then you go

29:23

try to get a regular job and you're like

29:25

I can't even pay my bills but is there

29:27

something else besides money that draws

29:28

you back into the lifestyle there are a

29:32

lot of different factors you know a lot

29:37

of it comes down to in my opinion

29:39

identity once a person has made a

29:42

decision or has been forced into the

29:45

commercial sex industry there's this

29:48

sense that now I'm that person that does

29:51

that and so that when I remember you

29:53

know during the recession I was leading

29:56

treasures and I would have the thought

29:58

you could make a thousand dollars

29:59

tonight now I would not do that I would

30:02

not make that choice but that thought is

30:04

there because once you've done that you

30:06

know you can do that and when things get

30:08

scary like right now that's what we're

30:12

seeing we're in the middle of the

30:13

coronavirus crisis right so we're seeing

30:16

people get scared financial future is

30:19

uncertain and as humans we are we tend

30:23

to want to go back to what's familiar

30:24

and do the things that we know we can do

30:27

to try to control right and so anyways

30:29

but the other thing too when you talk

30:32

about going back that's very common and

30:34

one of the things that we talked about

30:36

in the trainings we do to train other

30:38

people to do this work is we talk about

30:42

the stages of change and there's a model

30:44

that looks at you know there certain

30:48

people might be in pre contemplation

30:49

they're not ready to change at all right

30:51

other people are in contemplation

30:52

they're thinking about it they're

30:54

they're weighing it out they're starting

30:55

to think about it then some people might

30:57

start to take action right and then

30:59

other people are maintenance where

31:01

they're maintaining the choices and the

31:02

changes they've made but relapse or

31:05

recycling going back into the behavior

31:09

is a normal part of the recovery process

31:11

so it's it's a it's not uncommon for

31:14

people to go back but it doesn't mean

31:17

that they're not still hopefully moving

31:19

forward towards change toward lasting

31:21

change sure

31:23

I've got to ask this question you

31:25

mentioned it earlier that it was advice

31:27

from your from your mom and even as a

31:29

kid but I was think about this today if

31:33

you're in the sex industry and every man

31:36

not every but most of the men you talk

31:38

to or are looking at your beauty or

31:41

they're there selfishly what you know

31:44

what can you do for me mentality right

31:46

there how do you even possible how do

31:50

you train somebody that not all men are

31:53

pigs because you know what I mean like

31:55

no idea yourself or unfortunately yeah

32:00

they get a lot they get a lot of

32:01

affirmation that men are pigs even after

32:03

the sex industry right what right how

32:06

did how did your heart change and how

32:07

long does it take and I guess some

32:09

people never get over that thought right

32:11

yeah it's definitely a struggle the

32:15

reason I laughed is because I'm gonna

32:17

tell you a story this is how I met my

32:19

husband my my wonderful amazing husband

32:23

Chris Grillo so I was speaking in our

32:26

church talking about treasures obviously

32:28

leading treasures he comes out from up

32:31

to me afterwards and he was like man I

32:33

just I have such a heart for what you're

32:35

doing I would love to get involved

32:36

somehow

32:37

and I looked at him I go no and he was

32:41

like okay and he felt like such an idiot

32:43

he and I remember that day so clearly it

32:47

was an it was in 2008 I remember it so

32:49

clearly because he seemed genuine and I

32:53

didn't have a paradigm for that that

32:55

didn't make sense to me and he remembers

32:58

that to me very clearly because he felt

32:59

like a just dumb you know it's like what

33:02

was I thinking I could I could get

33:04

involved with this but kid you not at

33:07

that time because I wasn't known as

33:09

Hartmann and guerrilla leader of

33:11

treasures right whatever people in the

33:13

church would come up to me men and say I

33:14

heard what you do you go to strip clubs

33:16

I'd love to go with you to strip clubs

33:18

on a Friday night in the church right so

33:20

that's not helping that's not helping me

33:22

develop trust for men but what ended up

33:25

happening is about six months after that

33:28

moment that I met who is now my husband

33:31

a woman who worked with me convinced me

33:35

let a male that she trusted she vouched

33:37

for in turn I was like he can come in

33:40

here when the women are not here he can

33:42

sweep the floors he can clean the

33:43

toilets he can take out the trash but he

33:46

can't do this and this listen this and

33:47

this and this and she's like okay so he

33:48

starts coming in and building trust and

33:50

I hear I see this man I'm like this

33:52

person he has genuine he genuinely seems

33:55

to care and he's not creepy and there

33:57

doesn't seem to be any ulterior motives

33:59

he convinced me to let him find a couple

34:02

other men that could help him take out

34:04

the trash and sweep the floors and my

34:05

husband was the first to sign up he

34:07

wasn't my husband then and so he was in

34:10

my office every week every Thursday just

34:12

helping with whatever needed to be done

34:14

and then as they built trust you know we

34:16

started having them do security on

34:17

averages do security for support group

34:19

now they cook a Thanksgiving dinner for

34:23

the women and cook it from scratch

34:25

gourmet dinner and serve it to them in

34:27

suits and you know volunteer at events

34:30

and there they're now known as men for

34:31

treasures and they're amazing and it was

34:33

it wasn't until I don't know six or

34:37

seven years later that finally my

34:39

husband and I started dating but from

34:41

the time we met but I just I still

34:44

didn't trust men you know and I it's a

34:46

whole another story but I had a previous

34:48

marriage where that contributed all

34:50

sorts of my lack of trust but now I see

34:53

and believe and know that there are

34:55

great men out there with just a genuine

34:58

heart for women and he he he has so much

35:02

passion for the work that I do and

35:04

supports it so deeply and he loves and

35:06

honors me and shows me that with his

35:09

actions yeah I'm the sube there's a lot

35:13

of layers to leaving the industry and

35:15

this that's just one of the dilemmas

35:17

trusting men again but I'm sure that's

35:19

not the most important thing as you're

35:21

trying to pull pull people out of the

35:23

lifestyle but you know it's high on the

35:24

list you know because a lot of it really

35:27

it's until we develop new behaviors and

35:32

patterns a lot of us end up in

35:35

dysfunctional relationships and toxic

35:38

patterns of relating that are just

35:40

biology right yeah okay so let's talk a

35:45

little bit about further like so what

35:47

does your ministry

35:49

looked like I mean obviously like we

35:50

said insured it over time but if it

35:53

could just be bowled down like you

35:54

literally walk into a a strip club and

35:58

start talking to people and letting them

36:00

know you love them and try to build

36:02

relationships and like what does that

36:03

look like yep pretty much we we do

36:07

outreach to all the clubs in LA and we

36:10

bring gifts to the women and just with

36:12

our contact information and let them

36:13

know if when they're ready and need some

36:15

support we're here for them the message

36:18

is that you're loved valued and purposed

36:20

and you know when the managers are like

36:23

what are you trying to get the women to

36:24

leave no I've never in 17 years told

36:27

someone to leave the sex industry I've

36:29

never had to if the research is true and

36:31

my experience is that it is 89 percent

36:33

want to leave right they just don't the

36:35

other options and the ones who don't

36:38

I'm not going to convince them right but

36:39

for the ones who want support then we're

36:42

here for them and the relationship that

36:45

we have developed with the clubs is

36:46

pretty great in most cases like a lot of

36:49

the managers give the women our contact

36:50

information and so we've really

36:53

developed some great rapport with the

36:55

clubs and then when a woman reaches out

36:57

to us we just it's from that point just

36:59

building that trust building rapport

37:01

building relationship and being there

37:04

for her and walking alongside her in

37:06

whatever way she invites us to wow

37:08

so I'm amazed to hear that they don't

37:12

try to keep you out so what advantages a

37:15

couple do don't get me wrong

37:16

Hubble do ya but a lot of it so here's

37:19

that here's a reason though it's the

37:21

here's a mentality that there's nothing

37:23

inherently this is the mentality there's

37:25

nothing inherently wrong with the sex

37:26

industry so if someone needs to use

37:29

drugs to be here has a pimp

37:31

it has blah blah blah going on in their

37:33

lives then that's her that's not the

37:36

industry that's her and we've a lot of

37:39

the managers like we feel like

37:40

therapists we're constantly having to

37:41

deal with their problems so if they can

37:43

go talk to someone else that's great and

37:45

for every let's say someone does leave

37:47

right let's say and this has happened we

37:49

we've actually had this one female

37:51

manager who said to us you know I don't

37:54

like when you come here because you make

37:56

the girls think and we don't want them

37:57

thinking and but let's say someone does

37:59

leave there's 25 other women

38:02

auditioning on a Friday night they're

38:05

willing to pay to be there and there's a

38:07

line out the door right so they're yeah

38:10

okay we're not we're not hurting their

38:12

business this is a sad point so I think

38:16

this ties into my next question how is

38:19

the internet changed all this what I

38:21

mean if there was already strip clubs

38:24

and there was already people who are

38:26

coerced or opportunistic to go in that

38:29

lifestyle now I have the internet I mean

38:32

i-i've seen documentaries that people

38:35

just put ads online and there's once

38:37

again so many emails that flood in and

38:39

people want to be in the industry

38:40

whatever that means that's a big term so

38:43

how this changed the the sex industry in

38:47

general much less how you're attacking

38:49

it yeah the Internet has changed

38:52

everything

38:52

so in so many ways in so many different

38:57

facets of this are affected by the

38:59

internet so first of all the

39:00

accessibility of porn has led to an

39:02

incredible increase in corn consumption

39:05

increase in demand leads to increase in

39:08

supply leads to increase in exploitation

39:12

the Internet is absolutely used as a

39:16

tool for exploitation

39:18

so there are pimps and traffickers they

39:23

know that if they call their victim a

39:26

porn star who's available for escorting

39:29

they can make more money off of her so

39:30

what that means is they make porn of the

39:32

women distribute it online as a way of

39:35

advertising their victims there are a

39:37

very high percentage of women in

39:39

prostitution report being filmed by

39:42

traffickers John's so a lot of this is

39:45

happening without them knowing and that

39:47

footage is distributed right because

39:52

normally at a strip club what you do

39:55

behind closed doors you walk out and you

39:56

can be whoever you want to be but when

39:58

you have evidence right and it's held

40:00

over you I can't imagine and a lot of

40:04

exploiters will use that what like one

40:06

of the things that they'll do is they'll

40:08

find a potential victim they'll I mean

40:11

this is awful but drug them rape them

40:14

get it on camera

40:16

and then use that footage as blackmail

40:18

if you don't do what we tell you we're

40:19

gonna send this footage to your parents

40:21

we're gonna put this um you know make

40:23

this public so there yeah there are a

40:26

lot of different ways that it's being

40:28

used same thing with what we're seeing

40:30

is a big push right now especially with

40:31

so many people in quarantine a big push

40:33

for women to go into webcaming because

40:36

there's a huge demand for that right now

40:38

as well so the Internet has has really

40:41

changed everything and then of course

40:42

the the websites and the forums where

40:45

women are being exploited online you

40:48

know we they're posting ads that sort of

40:51

thing okay so I'm you hit a question I

40:54

was gonna ask you talk about supply and

40:55

demand at the end of the day how does

40:58

society tackle this epidemic I mean do

41:01

you go for the supply side you go for

41:03

the demand side you go attack everything

41:06

at once how do you how do we fight this

41:08

I mean it has to be all of it right

41:11

because if the demand is never reduced

41:13

there as long as there's a demand

41:14

there's going to be a supply as long as

41:16

there's a demand there are women who are

41:17

going to be exploited so you know

41:19

educating people helping people

41:21

understand a lot of people are consuming

41:23

porn thinking this is completely

41:26

victimless not understanding even for

41:29

your average person and porn not someone

41:32

who would identify as a victim of

41:33

exploitation or trafficking but the kind

41:35

of coercion that that's happening behind

41:37

the scenes it's very common for a person

41:39

to get hired to do a certain thing be

41:43

told these are the parameters and the

41:45

parameters are within whatever their

41:47

boundaries are and then when they show

41:48

up to the set they're being asked to do

41:50

something way different that they didn't

41:52

sign up for that they didn't agree to

41:53

and then told if you don't do this

41:55

you're gonna be blackballed if you don't

41:57

do this we're gonna do this that and the

41:58

other name-calling

42:00

you know coercing them into doing these

42:02

things and that's even in porn that is

42:04

not under exploitation and you know

42:06

under trafficking I would say so yeah

42:10

but as long as there is a demand there's

42:12

going to be a supply so education is

42:15

important helping people understand cuz

42:16

I think a lot of people if they did

42:18

understand the kind of exploitation that

42:20

they're participating in would think

42:22

like there's a fight the new drug is an

42:24

organization that I love and one of

42:26

their campaigns is consider before

42:27

consuming so considering

42:29

just consider the facts considering the

42:31

data let alone the negative impact that

42:35

porn has on relationships and it's crazy

42:37

because a lot of sex therapists you

42:39

recommend porn right there's a very

42:43

famous doctor who I will remain nameless

42:48

who is very well-respected in the

42:51

evangelical world who recently on a

42:53

podcast recommended that couples use

42:55

porn to enhance their sex life right so

42:58

it's interesting because I slip in van

43:01

nuys and I know that was sort of a hot

43:03

spot in the back then maybe the Internet

43:10

is changing this as well but I don't

43:13

think people were famous you may know

43:14

their name but now I mean there's

43:17

conferences in Vegas and there's right

43:20

what's wrong the devil so great at

43:22

putting lipstick on evil and you look

43:25

great and so I I think there's not only

43:27

money but now the girls think that can

43:29

get famous language from it and that's

43:32

gotta be super hard to find totally and

43:35

yeah exactly I mean so when you talk

43:38

about how do you change this there are

43:40

you know cultural norms that are playing

43:43

into this as well as a society we're

43:45

very comfortable with women being

43:46

sexualized and objectified that's you

43:49

know throughout alts forms of media and

43:51

women and girls are growing up learning

43:55

that their value is that in their

43:56

sexuality and that Fame and likes and

43:59

followers are the most important thing

44:00

so those social norms and those mindsets

44:03

are also current contributing so it's a

44:06

beast right and then see how they'll be

44:08

able to address demand you have to

44:09

address the social norms and mindsets

44:11

but then you also have to help the women

44:13

who whose lives are being just ravished

44:16

by this industry and who want help and

44:19

need support to get out so and but you

44:22

need all of it so probably running out

44:26

of time this is so good I could go on

44:27

for hours but just like you returned to

44:31

help so the people that you help are

44:34

they going back and helping as well do

44:35

you see a path yeah so one of the things

44:38

that's unique about treasures that I

44:39

love about treasures as we believe very

44:42

much in Survivor leadership

44:43

and my prayer for the beginning was that

44:47

the women we reached tonight would be

44:49

the future leaders in this movement and

44:51

we see that today we are our support

44:54

group we used to have a therapist like

44:55

support group and it's a long story but

44:58

now we have a survivor lead support

45:00

group and our attendance skyrocketed

45:03

once we did that and so we have survivor

45:06

leaders on our care team our outreach

45:07

team survivor leader is you know that

45:10

our mentors survivor leaders that are

45:12

leading support group and many of whom

45:15

most of whom were initially reached and

45:18

cared for by treasures and then grew to

45:21

a place where they wanted to give back

45:22

so it's that's one of my favorite things

45:24

so so you're you've tackled and you're

45:27

tackling Los Angeles and you said that

45:29

you're sort of replicating this in other

45:31

parts of the country I'm assuming every

45:33

mid-sized city to big city needs while

45:36

there could be every senator every city

45:40

okay yeah is there something in almost

45:42

every city now or unfortunately or

45:45

something in every city so you know I'm

45:47

an I'm in the San Fernando Valley which

45:49

is the adult industry capital of the world

45:51

what one of the things we do is we do

45:53

online outreach where we post in forums

45:55

where women are being advertised right

45:57

00 a.m. on a

46:00

Thursday put up a post 15 minutes later

46:04

went back to check on it and we couldn't

46:05

find it because it was buried beneath I

46:07

think like 67 the other posts within a

46:11

five-mile radius of women being

46:13

advertised for sex so we're in the

46:15

epicenter but I like to go on to these

46:18

websites when I'm in other places small

46:20

towns this that in the other and just

46:22

see what's being posted you know in

46:25

those places and everywhere you go the

46:29

commercial sex industry is operating if

46:30

that city doesn't have strip clubs then

46:32

guaranteed it has women being advertised

46:35

online for escorting probably has

46:38

massage parlors probably has street

46:40

prostitution it's everywhere right so

46:42

all right so I'm assuming you're all but

46:45

because you're studier and clearly you

46:47

have a great brain and a heart for this

46:49

but tell me what the future looks like

46:51

for you guys how are you growing what's

46:53

next for treasures

46:54

I mean observing continue doing what

46:56

you're doing

46:57

but yeah do you have plans like what if

46:59

the Lord put a man dollar cheque in

47:02

front of you for resourcing like what

47:03

would you do differently or greater

47:05

what's your plans what's next yeah

47:07

so we have lots of plans always got more

47:10

vision and I've got staff to execute the

47:12

vision but one of the things I'm

47:14

actually really excited about is you

47:16

know we're still doing our in-person

47:17

trainings where people come to Los

47:19

Angeles and we do hands-on training with

47:21

them and we love that but for a lot of

47:24

people that travel all that makes it a

47:26

little less accessible so we are in the

47:28

process of digitizing our trainings to

47:30

make them more accessible to people all

47:32

over the world so I'm super excited

47:33

about that we're also creating tracks

47:36

for people who want to work and care for

47:40

and reach and care for those that have

47:41

been in the sex industry and victims of

47:43

exploitation trafficking but also for

47:45

churches and faith-based allies training

47:49

tracks for them as well so we're super

47:51

excited about that if someone gave me a

47:53

million dollars tomorrow probably the

47:56

the biggest need I see and one of the

47:58

biggest wrestles we have is figuring out

48:00

some transitional housing because that's

48:01

a huge need I have a business plan

48:04

written for it but we're in Los Angeles

48:05

so the prices are very high here real

48:08

estates very expensive and so that's

48:10

just been something that's been in my

48:11

heart for a long time I have the plans

48:13

for but it's just a matter of needing

48:15

lots of miracles yeah we did get into

48:18

this and I but I was gonna ask that

48:21

question is some people have home to go

48:24

back to I mean it may be a tough journey

48:26

back and a lot of apologies and a lot of

48:29

broken relationships that have to be

48:31

mended but some people have no one and

48:37

what are they supposed to do when they

48:39

leave and pay bills and write and that's

48:45

a huge service gap so even if a woman

48:47

does end up going to let's say a

48:48

residential program and she gets that

48:50

support for that period of time in that

48:52

kind of very highly structured

48:53

environment what we often see for the

48:56

population that we serve they don't have

48:57

homes to go to afterwards there's no

48:59

transition place for them and so it's a

49:01

huge service gap and a huge need and you

49:04

know many of the women that we serve

49:05

experience homelessness many are

49:07

homeless right now

49:09

many are $100 away from being homeless

49:10

and so that's it's a huge need I have

49:13

one woman online every week almost she's

49:16

begging me to open home sorry or you

49:20

guys or churches I mean wouldn't it be

49:22

great if churches could somehow have

49:25

ministries because every one of our

49:27

pounds there's somebody who needs a

49:29

place to rest their head at night and

49:31

that beloved on right opportunity to

49:34

change their life right right that's

49:41

actually how the whole trip one of the

49:42

reasons the training started there was a

49:44

woman who reached out to us she was from

49:45

a small town I encouraged her to find

49:48

community in the local church she went

49:50

she went to the altar asked for prayer

49:51

it was the pastor's wife and she said

49:53

I'm really uncomfortable I wish you

49:55

weren't telling me this right now and

49:57

she was telling her I was traffic I'm

49:58

stuck in prostitution I'm a single mom I

50:00

don't know how to get out the next day

50:02

her car was vandalized with just

50:05

profanity calling her name's and then

50:08

the next week she went back to church

50:09

thinking maybe it was a coincidence and

50:11

she got there and she went to check her

50:12

child into the children's ministry and

50:15

they said I'm sorry you and your child

50:17

are not welcome here and I was

50:20

devastated and angry and I mean all the

50:22

feelings but at the end of the day I'm

50:24

like that I I'm heartbroken that the

50:27

church did not rise to the occasion and

50:29

be a safe place for a woman to

50:31

experience healing and transformation

50:32

but it also showed me the the importance

50:36

of equipping the church to move beyond

50:38

good intentions to actually reach and

50:41

care for people in a way that's

50:42

effective and that's that's why we do

50:45

the trainings we do well you have a you

50:48

used the word be familiar that's a great

50:50

word you're fighting a beast with a lot

50:52

of arms and muscle and tentacles and

50:55

it's it's it's it's unfortunately it's

50:58

never-ending you'll do this till Gabriel

51:01

blows his horn

51:02

right I want to solve it but we can

51:06

change people's lives with it and draw

51:10

them to Christ I mean I like you said I

51:12

think you the end of the day your goal

51:14

really is to pull them out of the

51:16

industry love know they're loved

51:17

somewhere along here is a faith journey

51:19

but it's not required you're not

51:22

like you right I want you to repeat what

51:24

you said you're not asking them to

51:25

change their behavior then get in the

51:27

club it's just your your later know

51:29

they're loved and it's somewhere along

51:30

the way there's a Gospel message even if

51:32

it's not

51:33

hey memorize this verse it's somebody

51:35

loves you I love you because I'm loved

51:38

right I mean I'm the biggest fan of

51:40

wherever you go preach the gospel and

51:42

use words when necessary and so we're

51:44

not about behave believe and then you

51:47

belong our messages you belong well I

51:50

love it

51:50

I love what you do I thank you I could

51:53

do this all day but we better but I'm

51:56

gonna put a link to your website podcast

52:00

and let people know that there's a lot

52:02

you have a you have a lot of videos and

52:04

you know statistics to let people know

52:06

that this is not as simple as we said

52:08

earlier of just stripping industry where

52:12

you take your clothes off put them back

52:13

on and leave and then you just live life

52:15

it's a lot more dirty and complex than I

52:18

think a lot of people imagine very

52:21

complex so thanks for everything that

52:23

you do yeah my pleasure thanks for

52:25

having me appreciate it word you mind if

52:27

I pray for you no I love it

52:30

how many Father Lord you are an awesome

52:33

God Lord during these current times that

52:36

were in importance grateful to know that

52:38

you and only you are in control of all

52:40

things and a lost and dark world Lord we

52:44

we thank you for being truth and light

52:46

more than for your redemptive power and

52:49

your desire to leave the ninety-nine

52:51

Lord and go for the one about you I

52:55

think what we people you put in our

52:57

lives and that we get to meet in order

52:59

today we look at our many Lord of how

53:02

you've given her a passion to walk into

53:04

darkness and take young broken women

53:09

back into the light lord thank you for

53:12

giving her the strength and desire and

53:14

the capacity and capability in order to

53:16

do this tough work as she said tackling

53:20

a beast lord thank you for walking with

53:22

her during this this ministry can that's

53:25

what it is Lord and as she continued

53:28

blessing harmony in her ministry and

53:30

then we ask you to grow this endeavor

53:32

and expose the epidemic to the

53:36

we could make a difference in helping

53:38

her fight

53:39

this dark and ugly world show yourself

53:42

modely that your truth will be exposed

53:48

and to people that are just hurting Lord

53:53

a day in and day out Lord I play for

53:55

provisions for treasures give them the

53:58

resources they need to continue their

54:00

work and expand their work Lord we love

54:02

you and we thank you for first loving us

54:04

and it's in your son's precious name we

54:06

pray amen amen

54:08

human thank you so much how many great

54:11

to meet you thanks for taking time and

54:13

being with us today my pleasure thanks

54:16

for having me

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