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1:59

He's always here, which is nice, runs our

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2:04

Sunday now and ask the tech guys back. We're gonna do

2:06

a thing with you on Sunday. Yes,

2:08

sir. I am we're gonna have a therapy

2:10

session on

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sir. That's what I'm calling it. So

2:13

Can we say can we get couch or

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anything here for and he can lie on.

2:18

He's

2:18

switched from Windows to Mac and he needs therapy.

2:21

Oh, that's what I was like, who's giving the therapy?

2:23

And who do you see the therapy? have to know.

2:25

So I think Mike is gonna talk him

2:27

off the ledge. We'll see. That's right. Oh,

2:30

boy. That's right. Also, with his son.

2:32

The director of the townite center for entrepreneurial

2:35

journalism at the Craig Newmark.

2:40

Graduate school of journalism at City University

2:42

of New

2:42

York. Mister Jeffrey Jarvis,

2:44

hello, Jeff?

2:46

Hello there. I will call him to the show to convince

2:48

Ant that he did all run. He just come

2:50

to the Chrome. Come

2:51

to the polls. Like you. To

2:53

the profile side. Was that ever

2:56

an option at? Was that ever a consideration

2:58

for you? No.

3:00

Last Sunday in Essentech guys, I demoed

3:03

that a new Acer gaming laptop.

3:05

Was that at all intriguing to

3:06

you? That was a nice Chromebook? It

3:09

was a nice Chromebook, but that did not intrigue

3:11

me at all because the

3:13

most I could do would be DaVinci Resolve

3:16

on a Linux attition. Yeah. That one

3:18

one. That's it. Yeah. No.

3:20

I just need to be able to turn it back on computer

3:22

on and get the

3:22

work. As a production machine and

3:25

not just like producing words on a screen

3:27

in a, you know, in a doc or

3:28

whatever. You need you need more than a I think

3:30

the Mac is a good choice. Yeah. I do too. Yeah.

3:32

Yeah.

3:33

I think I like it. Sorry, Jeff.

3:37

Although, you can play Sorry for ant.

3:39

I feel bad for ant having to go into

3:41

it from one empire into the

3:42

other. You could place some of the forest on it

3:44

though, which is pretty cool. All

3:47

normally, Stacey would be

3:49

here, Stacey, a little under the weather. But

3:51

that's good news for us because we've got

3:53

Jason Howell from

3:54

Hello? Call about

3:55

Android. Call about Android.

3:58

You got Carl Pake coming on the show?

4:00

Yeah. We yes. Big

4:03

announcement.

4:04

Oh, I'm sorry. Was it a secret?

4:07

I don't know if it was a secret. Yes, we do

4:09

have Carl Pay coming out of the show in a couple of

4:11

weeks. So of

4:11

the Nothing company.

4:12

Yeah. CEO of nothing.

4:14

That's a big deal. He was a big deal. He

4:16

was at one plus for a long time.

4:18

Yeah. He was he was kind of the one plus

4:20

guy for the longest

4:21

time. And then the parent company kinda

4:23

sucked it back in and bought

4:25

That's right. And a lot of people have not been

4:27

very happy about that. Yeah. I know

4:29

the reverberations of that. Yeah. And so

4:31

I think Pei said there's an opportunity here

4:34

with

4:34

Android, and he created the nothing company.

4:36

Yeah. And they have the nothing phone, which do they

4:38

sell that in the US yet? Nothing

4:40

phone, one, now you can get it in the

4:42

US. Of course, you're not gonna get it in, like, carrier stores

4:44

and everything, but they are selling it online.

4:47

You can get it. They've announced though

4:50

that the nothing phone two officially

4:52

comes to the US. Like, you can get the nothing

4:54

phone one, but I don't know, you know, you're probably

4:57

gonna have to jump through some hoops. Nothing to

4:59

they're bringing directly to the US, and I think they even

5:01

had announcement at Mobile Congress that they're gonna

5:03

have the the latest Snapdragon powered

5:05

in

5:05

there. So it's gonna be a higher powered they

5:08

still have the LEDs on the back? I

5:10

mean, why wouldn't they That's the trademark?

5:13

The big trademark

5:14

of this device. Like, whether it's a good trademark

5:17

mark. I don't know, but it's different reasons.

5:19

I

5:19

know you said that part. It's just a thing.

5:21

It doesn't it doesn't do anything. Right?

5:24

I mean, it's well, you know, style,

5:26

of course, but also notification. There

5:29

there's some integration into the system

5:31

with, you know, notifications

5:33

alerts charging status that's

5:35

right, it'll show you how much your battery is

5:37

charged based on that. It means you can't put a case

5:39

on it as opposed not because you

5:41

would see the glyph.

5:43

Is it drain the battery, Jason?

5:46

Well, I mean, I have not used It's

5:49

ALED. So it shouldn't you need too much. Right?

5:51

Yeah. Yeah.

5:52

mean, Does it drain the battery more than

5:54

if the LEDs were there? Yeah.

5:56

But I don't know how much how much it's really,

5:58

you know It's and I mean, I guess, it's not

6:01

even though it looks like it's lines of LEDs.

6:03

Probably just one LED with a

6:05

kind of a light conductive. Yeah.

6:08

Yeah. So it's not you know, it's maybe

6:10

three LEDs. Phones used

6:12

to have those notification

6:13

lights. If

6:14

I can't miss those -- Yep. -- to be honest, little

6:16

alert light. I didn't enjoy that display.

6:18

Yeah. Bring them back. So this is I

6:21

understand. Anyway -- Yeah. -- it will be it's

6:23

a big get, and it'll be exciting to see what Karl

6:25

has to

6:25

say. Yeah. Definitely looking at Coming

6:27

soon to all about Android. That's right.

6:30

You

6:30

know what's coming soon in the United States? I

6:32

think a TikTok ban, a real life,

6:35

honest to goodness, TikTok ban.

6:39

The story, of course, a couple of days ago,

6:41

was that the federal agencies

6:43

are now have thirty days to get TikTok

6:47

off devices. Now these are

6:49

devices that are owned

6:51

by the federal agencies and then used by

6:53

employees. I think employees could

6:55

still have it on there. Personal device,

6:57

I would think. Chris

6:59

Rae, who has been kind of virulently nasty

7:03

about China and and especially He's

7:06

he's one of the people who's saying COVID

7:08

was released from the Wuhan labs despite

7:11

the fact that, you know, there's disagreement among the intelligence

7:14

agencies. He's he's acting like, I don't know,

7:16

it's a Chinese. And now think he really

7:18

he's been going hard against TikTok,

7:20

and now he might be getting his way because the

7:24

house committee

7:27

approved Pat has

7:29

passed the bill

7:30

along. The Foreign Affairs

7:32

Committee voted on Wednesday along party

7:34

lines to

7:35

give Joe Biden the power to

7:37

ban TikTok in the

7:40

US. But

7:41

when you say that, it's like in the US dot

7:43

dot dot on government device.

7:46

Right?

7:46

No. No. No. This is, like, bam,

7:48

like, only for everybody, for everyone.

7:51

That's No more

7:53

TikTok corner for us. No

7:55

kidding. The build is not precisely

7:57

specified as a corner of Reuters how the band will

7:59

work. Gives Biden power

8:01

to ban any transactions with TikTok,

8:04

which in turn could prevent anyone in the US from accessing

8:06

or downloading the app on their phones. It would effectively

8:09

ban it because -- Right. -- they would force

8:11

the Android Play Store and the Apple

8:13

Store to get it take it off the store.

8:16

Just as they did with Huawei, by the way. They've kinda

8:18

basically put Huawei out of business in

8:20

the US by saying no company could do business

8:22

with

8:22

Huawei. They could do this similar thing to

8:24

TikTok. You you would

8:26

still have it on your phone. If you had it on your

8:28

phone, you could probably still side load it.

8:31

Right? Like, that's that's one way possibly

8:33

that these these

8:34

things, you could use

8:35

it on the web. You

8:36

could use it on the web. Yeah. Right. They're not

8:38

they're blocking my website

8:39

access. I wouldn't And

8:40

TikTok would've ever seen a lot of

8:42

money. The amendment case here. Yeah. I mean,

8:44

I'm sure well, I don't know. We've

8:47

banned we banned Huawei.

8:49

Yeah. Sophia's this is

8:51

the user's own platform for

8:53

speech. Well, it seems

8:55

to me. And I and I have to say, Mike Masnec

8:57

detector used this

8:59

phrase, you'll be happy to know moral

9:01

panic. Oh,

9:02

man. Thank you.

9:03

Harvody, actually. No. It's

9:07

yeah. It's in there. Our growing TikTok

9:09

moral panic. Still

9:12

isn't addressing the actual problem. The

9:15

problem really being, you

9:18

know, and honestly, I understand

9:21

why a company or government agency would say

9:23

ban TikTok. Just like,

9:25

for instance, the military ban

9:27

Strava the running app because

9:29

it turned out

9:31

a lot of military were using it to

9:33

map their runs.

9:34

And it's certainly

9:35

giving a map of the inside of the Penn a gun

9:37

to understand why

9:38

the government would they benefit for government users for

9:41

everybody? For government. Oh, government users.

9:43

There's you know, I understand

9:45

that, and I think that's you

9:46

know, certainly within their purview, and I guess

9:48

you could make a case. But honestly,

9:50

do they ban Facebook? I

9:53

think that's a that's a a point that Karl

9:56

really bakes in this article that is absolutely

9:58

true, which is okay. So we can look

10:00

at TikTok and we can say, hey, you're doing all this

10:02

stuff. You're collecting this data, you know, we don't know

10:04

exactly what's happening behind the scenes of that data

10:07

is that transferring over to the Chinese government, blah,

10:09

blah, a lot of people assume or think, you know,

10:11

that they have the details that point to that actually

10:13

happening. But then we've got all of these other apps

10:15

that are on our phones. Facebook, Instagram,

10:18

they're all tracking our location. They're all doing

10:21

stuff with our data. Why is it different

10:23

over here versus over here?

10:25

I mean, you it it really doesn't seem to solve

10:27

the problem. If if you have a problem with this

10:29

kind of information, you know, data brokers

10:31

and everything, having access

10:34

to that information, then do something about

10:36

that. Why is it so lucrative to trade in

10:38

people's

10:38

data? And maybe that's the problem. You

10:41

said you said another key phrase in there

10:43

as far as TikTok. You said that

10:45

we don't know what they're doing

10:47

with that information once it goes back

10:49

to China. Hey. We don't know what to do with

10:51

the information on those three platforms. You just

10:53

mentioned that it here in the in the US.

10:55

So so why aren't we which

10:58

is Carl White House folks other than just trying

11:00

to Carl

11:00

Wright. Couple months.

11:01

Carl Wright. That's what Carl All right.

11:03

Yes. TikTok plays fast and loose with consumer

11:06

data. So does nearly every other

11:08

foreign and domestic app and service on

11:10

your phone? From apps that track and

11:12

monetize your every waking movement in

11:14

granular detail to apps and

11:16

services that casually traffic in

11:18

your mental health specifics And that's

11:20

before you get to the telecom industry, which

11:22

has pioneered irresponsible collection and

11:24

monetization of user. Info, all

11:26

this data fit into a massive and

11:28

intentionally confusing data broker

11:31

market. Remember those two words data

11:33

broker that regulators have been generally

11:35

disinterested and seriously

11:38

policing lest US companies

11:41

cast lose

11:42

money.

11:42

I don't know. We don't wanna pass so far to drive

11:45

SLAAR be tough on data brokers, app makers, OEMs,

11:47

telecoms, because rampant surveillance and

11:49

data monetization is simply too

11:51

lucrative. So in a way, this is hand

11:53

waving and saying, pay no

11:56

attention to what's going on in the

11:57

US? It's China.

11:59

China. It's political. Yeah. Political

12:01

points. We

12:02

had a lot of distraction. And

12:04

and and data brokers, Axiom has been

12:06

around long before the Internet. And talked about

12:08

this before, where where I've freaked

12:10

out students by showing how I can at the names

12:12

and addresses of women two

12:14

miles from me who have these characteristics,

12:17

which you can't do otherwise. You

12:20

you Google doesn't know all that. But

12:22

but Axiom does and it's supported

12:24

and used by magazine companies and media companies

12:26

all

12:26

over.

12:27

Well, in his Carlpoint's history, It's

12:29

e trivially e trivially easy for the Chinese

12:32

Iranian or any other government intelligence agency to

12:34

buy to buy this data from

12:36

the house. Data broker is a really great point.

12:38

Need TikTok. It's all

12:40

available if they want it. The other

12:42

claim probably says the Chinese government will use

12:45

TikTok to fill US kids' heads with

12:47

gibberish and propaganda, but

12:49

not only I left Carl. He's been

12:51

on the show. We gotta get him on again. Not only is there no

12:53

evidence that's actually happening at scale, it's a rich

12:56

concern. Coming from a country so

12:58

inundated in authoritarian propaganda

13:01

across AM radio folks to clear the Internet

13:04

and raising that increasingly engage

13:06

in widespread domestic terrorism. Yeah.

13:09

It it's it's coming from within the house.

13:12

But it's really I think far

13:14

too easy, and I think Chris Rae is is

13:16

an example of this, to just let you

13:19

deflect blame us blaming China. There's

13:21

also the FCC commissioner who's been calling

13:23

for TikTok's ban -- Oh. -- who is notoriously

13:25

lax on regulating telecom because

13:27

he takes money from the telecom industry. So

13:31

I I think this is lip service only to privacy.

13:34

It's it's politically expedient because

13:37

Blame China seems to be the popular

13:40

thing. Right? Yeah. Alright. Even

13:42

when we say this, people say, well, why are you giving

13:44

aid and support to the enemy? Well,

13:47

like, you we're I'm gonna aid the support to Elon

13:49

by being there.

13:51

Not me. I was through my aid and support

13:53

to Elon. ACLEU

13:55

on Twitter, though, did did

13:57

tweet. This bill is a serious

13:59

violation of our first amendment rights.

14:02

Congress must vote no on this vague,

14:04

overbroad, and unconstitutional

14:08

legislation. Somebody

14:10

in the chat room has pointed out, and I think it's it's

14:12

true that, yes,

14:15

there's first amendment rights. But as soon as it comes down

14:17

to National Security, the court

14:19

well, look at the what just happened in the

14:21

Supreme Court. They

14:23

decided to not review the

14:27

WikiLeaks lawsuits

14:29

against NSA's collection of data

14:32

blanket collection of data saying national

14:35

security, would it the NSA's defense

14:37

wasn't we're not doing it. We're not

14:39

we're only we're not only targeting international

14:41

people, and that they didn't say any of that. They just

14:43

said, hey, national security, if we were to

14:46

stop that national security. Think

14:48

of the children. So I

14:50

think that's the problem is that, yeah, the ACLU

14:53

could fight

14:53

this. They could take it all the way to Supreme Court. And the

14:55

Supreme Court would say no. National Security.

14:57

And even without any evidence, without

15:00

any known evidence, without any actual discussion of

15:02

what's happening. What is The problem with all of this

15:04

is we don't talk about actual harm. We

15:06

talk about

15:07

fears. We talk about foot fees.

15:09

But the evidence of harm is not

15:12

Alright. I am gonna be because somebody has

15:14

to argue this. And I think there

15:16

are people it's a legitimate point of view. There are a lot of

15:18

people in our audience who say, no. Wait a minute. A,

15:21

it's just a social media app. What's the harm in

15:23

banning it? B, it's pretty clear the Chinese

15:25

government has access to anything

15:28

TikTok has access to. C,

15:30

we already know TikTok employees

15:33

were using location information for TikTok

15:35

to find out what

15:37

journalists were meeting, they were trying to track

15:40

down a leak. So they so they looked

15:42

at where journalists American journalists were

15:44

on their TikTok app. To see if they were

15:46

meeting with any TikTok employees. So

15:48

we already know they've reached that boundary.

15:51

So why shouldn't we ban TikTok? I mean,

15:53

This is this is pretty clearly a hazardous

15:57

app. Yeah. There are other problems.

15:59

I don't even say this. There are other

16:01

problems. We should some day, let's

16:03

take a look at Facebook and telecoms too. But

16:05

right now, we got this proximate problem

16:07

with the with

16:08

TikTok. What's wrong with

16:10

me. doesn't answer the national anthem right now. We have

16:12

a national anthem with

16:13

Facebook and Instagram and everywhere

16:15

is tracking it to our own people. Our

16:17

own citizens in in trying

16:19

to target stuff for us for their own profitable

16:21

game. Yeah. So that's a right now.

16:24

Yeah. Well, okay. Well So Fine. We'll

16:27

get to that. But but right now, we're

16:29

get to that. We'll get to that. We'll get to

16:31

that. This doesn't mean get in line. I

16:33

thought a defense to say, well, everybody does

16:35

it. That's on a fast backyard. That's

16:38

the stuff that I've always been

16:40

bugged about with our government as we do

16:42

so many things that are and and

16:45

I'm I'm gonna piss some people off. We put

16:47

our nose in a lot of different business elsewhere,

16:50

but we really do a really crap testing

16:52

job of taking care of our home backyard and

16:54

issues right here.

16:57

Yeah. But why should we let a

16:59

foreign government have access

17:02

to Well, but to your to your mister

17:04

devil's advocate, your

17:06

argument about the employees going

17:08

after a couple of

17:09

reporters. As a reporter, I shouldn't like that. But,

17:11

a, they got fired. And b, that doesn't

17:14

They got fired when they got

17:15

fired when they got fired. Yeah.

17:17

And what it demonstrated you're right. It doesn't affect National

17:19

Security, but it demonstrated they have the ability

17:21

in the will and have the bill the ability

17:23

to do that. Somebody did. Yeah. But within

17:25

TikTok, Now let's say president

17:27

Xi or his proxy goes

17:29

to mister TikTok and says, hey, I

17:32

like I like that same information, please.

17:34

I noticed you did that.

17:36

Well, here's the I can't say no to. He's not a this

17:38

coin male. I'm mister devil's advocate,

17:41

is that we're sitting in precedent here,

17:43

devil. To

17:44

be used by everybody. You. Saying that

17:46

over and over so that nobody thinks they actually

17:48

espouse this way. I don't think

17:50

so. But I you know what? I do have to I should probably

17:53

recuse myself because my son makes

17:55

a living on TikTok.

17:57

That's a He's an example of impact. And this

17:59

is what some people say is Yeah. But think of

18:01

all the creators who use TikTok, legitimately

18:03

hurt. Somebody like my boy who

18:05

has made a very good living. He's now got a cookbook.

18:08

He's talking about TV show. He was

18:10

-- Mhmm. -- he was in Miami making cubano

18:12

sandwiches with Guy Fieri, all

18:14

because it did suck. Yep.

18:16

Yeah. But don't worry. YouTube shorts just crossed

18:19

fifty billion daily views. Please. So he could

18:21

just go on YouTube. He's on Instagram.

18:23

It's TikTok that really drove his

18:25

success to point one million followers. And

18:28

it was the key. Actually, you know,

18:30

he was very smart. He he he you

18:33

know, I we had this conversation. We went to lunch.

18:35

It was, like, a year and a half ago. And

18:38

he sat down, like, about thirty thousand followers on

18:40

TikTok. Doing these cooking

18:42

things. What do you think? I said, I think you should go

18:44

all in and and push

18:46

it. And he studied the algorithm. He

18:48

figured out what people wanted. He looked at comments.

18:50

He really gotten involved,

18:52

carefully tailored something to TikTok, and it was a

18:54

huge success. He was able to do that. And

18:56

he did it really and he's created career

18:58

around it. And he's and it's it's giving him a

19:01

living. So that's an arm. So and

19:03

now oh, I'm sorry. Wait a minute. I took off my devil's advocate.

19:05

Where'd I put it? So But I

19:08

actually asked him. I said, what do you are you worried about

19:11

TikTok being banned? He said, no. I'm I'm I got

19:13

I got the Instagram now. That I

19:15

make more money. He can't engage with Instagram.

19:17

So he was which does not mean

19:19

that that he didn't he used TikTok to

19:21

get to the next

19:22

level. Yeah. That's that was just

19:24

the whole part of being a content creator,

19:26

though, sir. Is being able to

19:29

not necessarily depend on one

19:31

particular

19:32

product. You you sort

19:33

of market yourself everywhere because

19:35

stuff goes away, especially when there's

19:37

companies like Google involved and all of sudden

19:40

they kill something

19:40

off, you still aren't able to My point exactly.

19:43

That's why we should ban TikTok because there's

19:45

other avenues. It's not like we're gonna lose

19:47

anything. So

19:52

why should we let the Chinese spy

19:54

on our people. It's not like it's the

19:56

only way that that that people can

19:58

create and and put stuff

20:00

out. Let's let's

20:01

understand the dialogue. Missouri,

20:03

missouri, or whatever his name is, Adam

20:06

Missouri at this square. Why should we just

20:08

allow him to dig into the analytics

20:10

of us and I'll get to assume that we're gonna

20:13

legislate that later. We're gonna

20:15

get to there on Instagram. committee's looking

20:17

at the

20:17

platform, you know, but we we

20:19

feel that you all really want to see more videos

20:22

and we noticed that you're all not watching you

20:24

live in

20:24

it, so we're gonna dial it back just little

20:26

bit. So I

20:27

Do you see anything here? A Chinese company

20:29

should have the same rights and privileges as a US

20:32

company. Well, here's the issue, mister

20:34

senator Neville. Is that

20:38

other countries have said the same thing about us.

20:41

So but they're they're right.

20:44

New Canada, Brazil. I've

20:47

all tried to pass laws saying that America

20:49

does horrible things with data. That

20:51

number one, least data should be stored locally.

20:53

Though, of course, that's so the government can get hold of it in

20:55

that

20:55

country. Or number two, that we shouldn't

20:58

trust America at all. We should ban American apps.

21:00

That's fine. Senator president. President.

21:02

China. Let him surprise us. Because

21:04

we make the Gosh darn best apps in the whole wide

21:07

world. And if and let them try

21:09

it. Just like France try it and

21:11

Spain try to ban Google, let them

21:13

try it because they'll come to crawl and bathe us.

21:15

Because we make the best damn apps in the

21:17

world. Well, you really do

21:19

a great demo of that. Yeah. Let's fire it

21:21

up right now. See?

21:27

Yeah. No. I see. It's a good

21:29

argument. Great deal with the advocate. Well,

21:31

I'm running for Congress, and I'd like to have your vote,

21:33

mister Pruitt. You

21:36

know, black people love me

21:38

too. They love me. Right. I just want you to know. Right.

21:40

Right? I

21:41

know as a Trump said, you know, black people. I

21:43

should say, the blacks. The blacks are black. They

21:46

love me. They love me. So

21:48

just warning you, you know. Oh,

21:51

good. Actually Biden. Didn't didn't Biden

21:53

said he said if you don't vote for

21:55

me, you're not black. There's another that's another

21:57

good one. That's Yeah. Good one. Mhmm.

21:59

Jeez. You ain't

22:00

black. What are you talking about? Yes,

22:02

I am. Well, I'm not. But,

22:05

anyway, Good.

22:08

Okay. I think I I think I I think

22:10

he stomped. Yeah.

22:10

I think he stomped.

22:11

You did your best. You did your best, bud.

22:13

Did win the day.

22:15

I

22:15

did win the day. You're all shut up. I didn't.

22:18

Well, so what happens then in

22:20

this world where the devil

22:21

wins? Yeah. And TikTok

22:24

is banned in the US. Now we go after Facebook

22:26

next. Is that what happened? Because I told that we would.

22:29

Or or China is still in the negotiations.

22:31

No. I no. I think it's a mistake

22:34

to say that a Chinese company

22:36

should have the same rights as an American company. If

22:38

you're an American company, that's different.

22:42

Protectionism, man. Protectionism all

22:44

the way. No. But

22:44

also, those are those are bad

22:46

guys. We're the good guys. No

22:49

Chinese rice, only rice from Sacramento.

22:53

So in so in the so in

22:56

immigrant comes in and breaks into my

22:58

home and decides to steal some of my stuff,

23:00

that's a problem. But if my

23:02

neighbor that's been here for all of their

23:04

life decides to come in and instill my

23:06

stuff, That's okay because he's been here

23:08

all this life. Is that what you're

23:10

saying? Well

23:12

now, if you really want to get down a law and order,

23:14

that's another conversation.

23:19

Hey, Nick. He's an American, so I'm just

23:21

kidding. No. No. But it ain't But

23:23

we're not talking about individuals. Stealing stuff

23:26

from you. We're talking about companies doing

23:30

their job companies. Oh, a

23:32

bunch of but I don't trust look at it.

23:34

Don't you know that any Chinese company

23:37

has to do the bidding of the Chinese government? That's

23:39

the way it's constructed. Right?

23:42

The CCP

23:42

and the American company does the bidding of people

23:44

like Elon Musk? Well, that's different. He's

23:46

just a private citizen. It's not like they I

23:48

mean, it's pretty obvious that

23:51

the federal government told Twitter what

23:53

to do, but we've investigated

23:55

that. Thank you very much. Just

24:00

I think you could say on the face of it that

24:03

that you're asking for the

24:05

rights of a Chinese company to

24:08

invade our privacy to,

24:10

you know, propagandize

24:14

our use. You're saying that they have the right to do

24:16

that? I say they

24:17

don't. Alright.

24:19

Are you done with your can you take your hat off?

24:22

think that's permanently stuck on at this

24:24

point. I'm a little Look, I'm starting to like this. I think

24:26

I might run for Congress. I got the

24:28

time.

24:28

Yeah. You're you're incredibly

24:30

persuasive. Yeah. We also have

24:32

the coffee stains on the shirt.

24:37

I didn't go to Harvard for eighteen

24:39

years to be treated

24:42

like this. Do

24:44

you know our fresh ice skater? Don't you? Alright.

24:47

Moving on. You

24:49

know, it is funny, though, that

24:51

when you dress like this, it does kinda

24:53

make you more of a Republican. Just

24:57

I'm not cutting.

24:59

I'm not kidding. I just feel more

25:01

I feel like I'm right. Oh

25:04

gosh.

25:06

Dress for success. That's what the So do you

25:08

think? So I don't

25:10

know if it's related or not, but but

25:14

they were asking last week the

25:18

International Trade Commission banned

25:22

Apple Watches. And

25:24

they're potentially gonna ban the import of

25:26

Apple watches because they believe

25:29

Apple infringed on a patent with a company

25:31

called Lifecore for the

25:32

EKG. This thing that you you

25:34

use the alive court cardio, Jeff.

25:36

Right?

25:36

Right. Right. Cardium, where who

25:40

who where? What con is it international? Country?

25:43

What? US? US? US. US?

25:46

They they would ban the import of Apple watches

25:48

because they say they violated a

25:50

live course patents. Now it's interesting. It's more

25:52

complicated than that because the US patent

25:54

and trademark office invaluable life

25:57

course patents minutes before.

26:00

ITC said we're gonna ban it, but that's

26:02

another thing. That's another thing. So

26:04

so Apple

26:06

went to president Biden said, would you please

26:09

vito that ban. We

26:11

don't we you know, this and he refused

26:14

to. So then I don't know if that's

26:16

related or a piece of evidence, but he refused

26:18

to. Do you think Biden, who now

26:20

has the encouragement of

26:22

the

26:23

of the US Congress, to ban

26:25

TikTok. He now has the power to do that. Do you think

26:27

he will do that? Biden's

26:29

a a lutite at his core. I like I like

26:31

Joe. Joe's my man, but by on section

26:34

two thirty, on TikTok, on this kind

26:36

of stuff, he he's got people in his administration who

26:38

are reflectively moral

26:40

panicking.

26:41

Yeah. Remember Biden's administration? Sent

26:46

a brief to the Supreme Court against section

26:48

two thirty. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He said it

26:50

when he was campaigning, he thought ten

26:52

thirty. Should be overturned,

26:55

which is protect the the twenty six words

26:57

that created the Internet. So

27:02

It's unknown. But I yeah. I'm worried about

27:04

by knowing I think he could actually do it. I think he'd actually

27:06

ban TikTok. What would

27:08

that but really, what would be the real consequence of

27:10

that besides effect that we'd have to stop our TikTok

27:12

segment. Oh, shocks. Hey.

27:15

Hey. Hey. I mean, I'm I'm

27:17

I'm authentically, like, curious to

27:19

know, like, obviously, if you can't get a

27:21

TikTok app in the US anymore,

27:24

like, if it's truly and completely cut

27:26

off. Like, people are gonna have to stop

27:28

using it. But, I mean,

27:30

man, it is so popular.

27:33

Like, when I think of of kind of like

27:35

teenagers, like the the roots of

27:37

today. And TikTok is

27:39

ingrained into the fabric of

27:41

being a teenager. Right now. It's it's

27:43

part of the technological experience

27:47

if you're a

27:47

kid. True of your

27:48

kids, Jason? No. My kids

27:50

do not have access to Trionox. Yeah.

27:52

Yeah. Too too young at this point.

27:55

Fine. Good parent at the table. Trying

27:58

trying failing sometimes, but trying

28:00

I mean, the the but the drive is there. The desire

28:03

is there. And actually -- Yeah. -- even if TikTok

28:05

is banned,

28:06

all that TikTok content ends up on YouTube

28:08

anyways. Right. Or Instagram.

28:11

No. It's not like it's not like the content that was

28:13

processing. There is. We do know we

28:15

have some experimental data KIV

28:19

in Alabama banned TikTok on government

28:21

devices, which also banned it in state

28:23

run universities. So --

28:24

Oh, okay. -- University of Alabama -- Oh, and

28:26

I'm sorry. -- ain't no TikTok. Access

28:28

as well. Yeah. So many

28:31

researchers I know are now having problems

28:33

with

28:33

this.

28:33

So they never shoot text. So that means TikTok

28:36

on the low local network

28:38

at the

28:38

Wi Fi is completely inaccessible. Yeah.

28:41

They block it. Still obviously getting it through

28:43

their cellular network. And, of course and and I think

28:45

that's one data point, which is didn't

28:47

really phase the students. Well,

28:49

because they already have it on their phone anyways through

28:51

the data cache. Yeah. They just they just use the

28:53

phone's data. Right. But if

28:54

they can't get it there, I don't know.

28:57

Auburn banned TikTok and

28:59

students can't stop talking about

29:01

it. This is in New York

29:02

Times. This is last week.

29:03

Is Auburn a state school or it was private

29:05

school?

29:06

Well, I don't know. Yeah. Auburn is a

29:09

Auburn state. Yeah. Oh, okay. Oh, okay.

29:12

I didn't even know that. So a

29:14

senior at Auburn. So surprised

29:16

last month about a new ban on TikTok. She

29:18

read the news alert about it aloud to her friends.

29:20

We were like, oh, that's weird. Why would she

29:23

do that? And laughed it off and

29:25

moved on. She is the editor

29:27

in chief of the campus newspaper, which

29:29

has its own TikTok account, I

29:33

think they're gonna stop posting on TikTok,

29:36

but I don't think the the students are gonna stop

29:38

using TikTok. Right? Nineteen governors

29:40

have banned

29:41

TikTok. And and and

29:43

what what what do they have in common? They're

29:45

all Republicans, conservatives. Yeah.

29:47

Yeah. They're banning abortion

29:49

too. So Well, should we get more And I

29:51

should point out that the the

29:53

congressional committee that banned it was pretty much

29:55

party line vote. There

29:58

wasn't a hundred percent party Right? No. There was

30:00

one one or two Democrats voted in favor

30:02

as well, I think. Let's

30:05

see. Let me look at this. This is the the

30:08

House Foreign Affairs Committee Twenty

30:11

four to sixteen. Yeah. So

30:13

that's not pure party line. Yeah.

30:17

Democrats opposed bill saying it was rushed

30:19

to require due diligence their debate and consultation

30:21

with experts.

30:23

I don't have the actual vote count

30:26

here. But

30:27

Who did what was they said a long

30:29

party line. So I as I

30:31

remember, I written I written another source said,

30:33

I think one Democrat voted to

30:35

ban as well. But

30:38

I is it it's not really partisan? It's

30:40

not a partisan

30:41

issue? Is it? What is it part of

30:43

such today? No. There.

30:46

Good point. But this is the anti China. You're

30:48

gonna be tougher on China wing

30:51

steak. Right?

30:52

I've kind of I've kind of felt like the the

30:55

big tech, you know, anti tech movement

30:57

kinda crossed party

30:59

lots. To be honest. No. I really Oh, that's

31:02

Yeah. It seemed like it was

31:04

kind of in vogue right now to be very anti

31:06

ideology. And this went

31:08

off, falls. Falls firmly.

31:09

Is it our duty to defend tech

31:12

as a tech

31:14

The freedoms that the that the Internet

31:16

gives us is not the tech.

31:17

Yes. It's we're defending the Internet and

31:20

the freedoms we got. That's

31:22

my next book. Because

31:26

the Internet isn't tech. It isn't

31:28

wires. It isn't tubes. It isn't these

31:30

companies. It is the ability

31:32

of people who never could be heard

31:34

in mass media to now spaces. Yeah.

31:36

It's it's the voices. It's the community.

31:38

The the the black Twitter event that we

31:40

held at the school two weeks ago, you

31:43

know, you look and and and the

31:46

the peril that it's in in Musk's hands

31:48

now. But you look at what we lose there,

31:51

the power of the movements that came there. And those

31:53

movements are precisely what scare the

31:56

old white guys who look like me.

32:01

I think it's also our duty, those tech

32:04

journalists, to

32:06

weigh the evidence and

32:09

to be honest about when tech

32:11

isn't

32:13

necessarily right or good.

32:16

Oh, yes. Oh, for sure. That's what I0I

32:18

agree with

32:18

that. I don't wanna unilaterally defend

32:21

big attack and just say,

32:22

oh, no. No.

32:23

I totally agree with that. We need to criticize them.

32:25

Absolutely. But we also have to separate out

32:27

those things which are Tech's fault

32:29

or the Internet's fault versus those things that are

32:32

innate in our society. Tech

32:34

and the Internet didn't make us racist. Didn't

32:36

make us racist. We came into the game. Yes,

32:38

sir. Say Tech did not make us

32:40

racist. We already were. And

32:42

so when we blame the Internet for saying,

32:44

oh, it increased racism in America. No. No.

32:47

It was brought out the opposite. It

32:49

brought well, it brought out voices who

32:51

were not heard in a white

32:53

hegibony and the white hegemony wants

32:55

to burn the place down now as a

32:57

result. That's what's really happening.

32:58

Mhmm. Yeah.

33:02

Desk

33:02

processing.

33:02

It is certainly something we we on

33:05

all of our shows, we are always struggling

33:08

with is to find the truth. Right? To and

33:10

I think we try to be honest and not

33:12

partisan. I know people a lot of people say we're partisan

33:15

because you're such a lefty Jeff

33:17

Jarvis. Jeff, but Well

33:20

well, senator devil. But

33:23

I think, really, we know that it's our

33:26

mandate to dig.

33:29

And and and because we know tech to dig

33:31

as quickly as we can, it'd be critical of it, but

33:33

also defend it as needed. And and

33:35

but to really look for the truth of it. And

33:37

the truth isn't always obvious, but,

33:41

you know, tech is a double edged sword like

33:43

like many things. It can be used for good

33:45

or ill. Mhmm.

33:48

And it used to tech used to be

33:51

a cool thing that I that that people

33:53

were into. And now it's an

33:55

integral integrated part

33:57

of the fabric of life. It's society. Yeah.

33:59

It's it's everything. Yeah. So it's

34:02

so it's important, I guess, is my point.

34:04

For us to look

34:06

at both sides of that coin. I want

34:08

tech to be

34:09

better. I want because I love

34:11

technology. Right.

34:12

I love it when it works. Right. And

34:14

if it's not working, that's why sometimes

34:16

with the TikTok story, it's hard for

34:18

me because it really goes back for me to,

34:20

okay, I get the argument that you're

34:22

making against TikTok, but

34:24

show me the

34:25

proof, show me that this horrible

34:27

stuff is actually happening before we vilify

34:30

--

34:30

Yes. -- and remove Yes. Well, okay. Send

34:33

it a devil here. Oh, god. He's back.

34:38

This war and that I do not know

34:40

if We would have. Yeah.

34:42

How would we know

34:44

if the China was using

34:46

TikTok. We can't stop. It's behind

34:48

the scenes. We can't tell. We can't tell. And

34:50

by the time you know, it may be too

34:52

late. Yeah. So why

34:53

not? Cut it

34:56

short. Why not just say You

34:57

can label it for the Murdock Drive. Where do we

34:59

draw that line?

35:00

We don't need TikTok. Because

35:02

you could say that about a million different things, and

35:04

you could draw that line anywhere you walk

35:06

and kill I would see a bunch of different

35:08

things. It's a pretty easy thing to

35:10

do. If it's something

35:12

from an enemy nation -- Yeah. --

35:15

we don't allow Russian social

35:17

media in the United States. Right?

35:21

Oh, we can oh, I can use that

35:24

today. Sure I can. What's would

35:26

you what is Russian social media? There

35:30

used to be Pavel Duroff created the Russian

35:32

Facebook. They in fact, that's

35:34

why he left Russia because and and

35:36

found a telegram. Because telegraph

35:40

telegram. Because he was

35:42

it was taken from him. Right? So

35:44

what was is that still around? Vishal

35:46

talk be contacted. It would be contacted.

35:49

Yeah. V can you use it right

35:52

now? Yeah. Sure.

35:53

Well, that should be both answers. Telegram?

35:57

How about, you know, in fact I can I

36:00

think I can get it on let's see if I get my

36:01

phone? Six hundred fifty six million users

36:04

as of May twenty first -- Mhmm. -- twenty twenty. Tell him

36:06

a telegram. No. He'll talk about his k.

36:08

Yeah. Oh, he contacted. Which

36:10

was his Dora's original

36:13

creation was taken from him. And

36:16

then he went off and

36:17

Yeah. I can install I can install it from

36:19

my my endpoint. Notice

36:21

they call it the largest European social

36:24

network. Russia's always

36:26

wanted to be European. Haven't they? Well,

36:28

alright. I got a better example.

36:31

WeChat. WeChat. And

36:33

we know we know We know WeChat is

36:35

used by Chinese, military, and

36:38

Chinese government officials to contact

36:42

overseas Chinese to

36:44

say, hey, we know you have family in China.

36:48

You you might wanna consider what you're

36:50

saying. We know they use it that way.

36:52

We chatted We

36:53

use it we use these services

36:55

in Iran to try to under cut an

36:57

evil government. Right? So

37:00

why don't we ban WeChat?

37:02

It's available in the App Store.

37:04

And what's it gonna accomplish if we do?

37:06

That's that's the funny thing. Same

37:09

thing that it would accomplish if they got rid

37:11

of TikTok. I mean and and I can't that's

37:13

kind of part of my point that I was

37:15

making earlier is if TikTok goes,

37:18

I think that line gets drawn further and further,

37:20

potentially, you know, the WeChat or whatever.

37:23

And I I guess the reality is I don't

37:25

know whether it's whether it it

37:27

is a good idea to do it or not. Like, maybe,

37:29

you know, maybe there are reasons and everything, but

37:31

it just seems like that line is nebulous

37:34

and continues to stretch out if if you

37:36

go

37:36

there. I got another question, Jason, out

37:38

of that. Because you were talking started before before

37:42

but the but the companies that now are proprietors

37:44

of the net. I'm curious if

37:46

if we go ten years forward. Do

37:49

you think that Facebook will still be around?

37:52

Do you think Google will still be dominant? Do

37:54

you think Amazon will still be dominant? Do

37:56

you think that some of these companies are are

37:58

really long term? Or are they like

38:01

friend feed and myspace

38:04

that they are evanescent. What

38:07

do you guys think? I

38:09

mean, I I think I place

38:11

a Facebook and a Google and an Amazon

38:14

in the same category as a Microsoft and

38:16

Microsoft has been around a very, very long

38:18

time and has changed and transformed

38:21

over

38:21

the US less

38:23

powerful than it was, but still around

38:25

and

38:26

still actually pretty powerful. Like, Microsoft's

38:28

not a, you know, not

38:30

a -- Yeah. -- a small company. They they may

38:32

they're not as powerful and influential

38:35

as they once were, but they've certainly turned

38:37

things around. And I think think Google

38:39

is kind of in that that part right now. I don't think

38:42

Google's going anywhere. think ten years absolutely

38:44

Google will be around. But do I

38:46

think that a TikTok is going to

38:48

be the next Google in ten

38:50

years? I don't know. Oh, yeah. I I mean,

38:52

it's So the reason they put in

38:54

the same class I put Amazon

38:57

and Microsoft in the same class. I don't silicate

39:00

Google and Facebook in the same class as

39:02

Microsoft. I think Amazon has

39:04

that long that the long tail,

39:06

you know, they've they've started

39:09

out just selling books and it continued

39:11

to grow with this very, very long vision

39:13

to get to where they are now. And

39:16

before Bezos was out, I'm pretty sure

39:20

the vision was was put into chassis.

39:22

Is that the current CEO? Put into

39:24

his head in in the leadership to figure out,

39:27

hey, we can still continue to grow and continue

39:29

to just do all the things

39:31

the right way from a data analytics

39:34

standpoint and just just quietly

39:36

keep growing and quietly just keep gobbling

39:38

things up, all while continuing to have,

39:40

like, some small businesses be on the platform

39:43

form and making benefit too and just

39:45

keep taking over the world one bit at

39:47

a

39:47

time. But what's your point, Jeff? What what

39:49

is it? I don't

39:50

I don't understand. That that we we we

39:52

demonize the present proprietors. We say

39:54

these companies are rural in the world. I don't know. No. No. We

39:56

got you. We never got to do something. Right? Microsoft,

39:58

we the browser is they're they're screwing everything

40:00

up and the EU and so on and so

40:02

forth. And I think that we end up fighting yesterday's war

40:05

all the time. There's somebody new out there coming.

40:07

Maybe. But remember, in the

40:09

teens, and I'm talking about the

40:11

nineteen teens. Oh.

40:14

Any trust law was created because of

40:16

the Robert Barron's, because of the extreme

40:18

power, standard oil, and the

40:20

railroads. And

40:23

they had such dominant market positions.

40:25

There was nobody could -- Yeah. -- meet with

40:27

them. Somebody checked them. So the government decided

40:29

that it had to. And that's when that's when antitrust

40:32

law Sherman, antitrust law act and so forth

40:34

were enacted isn't it

40:36

appropriate that is big let's

40:38

say, Google and Amazon. I

40:42

think you probably have to include maybe

40:44

include Microsoft. Well, you could

40:46

pick who it is. But as these four or

40:48

five tech giants become bigger,

40:50

more dominant, more powerful. Isn't it

40:52

appropriate just as it was in the nineteen tens

40:56

to cut down the Robert Burns? Isn't it time to to

40:58

cut down them to size so that we can so

41:00

that we can have something

41:02

new. You're Well, I guess you're saying they're

41:04

they're

41:04

gonna die on their own. They're

41:05

gonna they're gonna Yeah. Microsoft faded in

41:07

its in its overarching

41:10

power on its

41:11

own. But nobody

41:12

argued that the standard oil was gonna

41:14

die on its own. I mean, we broke it up.

41:17

Well, bell bell telephone too.

41:19

Same thing. Yeah. And then I think

41:21

I think that that these things are

41:23

are the the arc is quicker for them.

41:26

Agree with you, Anton, I think, for Amazon and

41:28

I I would say Google. Jason,

41:31

what you're saying? They're Microsoft. They'll they'll go

41:33

up and down They'll be around. They won't be as powerful.

41:35

They won't be as scary. I think Facebook could

41:37

disappear. I I that's who

41:38

I think would disappear.

41:39

Right? Facebook is on the that's an easy

41:42

easy predictions since they're on the imminent

41:45

cusp of disappearing. Right? Even as we

41:47

speak. Yeah. They're they're out of the discussion. I mean,

41:49

I I go there occasionally, which I do,

41:51

I thought it really is often I used to. I still find

41:53

myself. Oh, that friend. I missed that friend. I missed that friend. I

41:55

still actually have engaged in it. But

41:57

It's less of the public conversation. It's less of the

41:59

fear conversation. The

42:02

beta stuff, I think, is kind of the

42:04

beta versus kind of a joke. So it's going to, like, Twitter

42:06

is gonna go bankrupt one way or the other.

42:10

And so I think we we

42:12

demonize these corporations

42:14

And this is part of Karl's point, I think, and

42:16

his piece about TikTok. Without looking

42:18

at the principal level, we're not

42:21

we're not defending the privacy of American

42:23

citizens instead we're going after TikTok. Do

42:26

you think it's even possible that that's

42:28

why these

42:30

members of congress are doing this because

42:33

it distracts from the real privacy

42:35

issues? Yes. Yes.

42:37

Mhmm. I

42:39

think so. And I need to blame for

42:41

our woes. Oh, yeah. And

42:43

-- Yeah. -- and not address the issues,

42:45

the real issue head on. Especially when

42:48

you know, unfortunately, money is so

42:50

important in in our government.

42:54

And and they need that they need them the

42:56

the contributions of these of telecom

42:58

companies. And But it goes back to what Jason was saying

43:00

earlier, the the convergence

43:03

of left and right attacks on the

43:05

net. It's it's it's a it's a

43:07

pincer movement. And and,

43:10

you know, in two thirty, the sword and the

43:12

shield Democrats go after the

43:14

the shield because they think that the platform

43:17

should be better at taking down hate speech. The Republicans

43:19

go after the sword because it's there, hate speech is being

43:21

taken down. They find themselves

43:23

in this strange bedfellows

43:25

conspiracy now against the tech companies

43:28

because the tech companies are easy targets They

43:30

are folk devils for everything wrong

43:32

with us. And so you're not just distracting

43:35

from the tech companies and money and privacy

43:38

and that. You're distracting again from these

43:40

higher societal ills

43:42

we have that we're not facing. You

43:45

know, when when ChatGPT, spits

43:47

back stupidity. It's armed stupidity. It's

43:49

spitting

43:49

back. And we're not dealing with that.

43:52

TikTok has been, you know, they've seen this

43:54

coming and they've been spent more than a billion

43:56

and a half dollars so far trying to

43:58

respond to this moving their data

44:00

centers to the US, to Oracle,

44:04

this is another one that cracks me up that that

44:06

that, you know, we trust Oracle more

44:08

than we trust TikTok. I

44:11

don't know. Yeah. You

44:14

know, they they they understand

44:16

that this is an existential threat to them.

44:19

They have a business in China. But if the US cuts

44:21

off TikTok, it's probably, you know,

44:23

not good for TikTok in the long run. What would

44:25

the citizenry say?

44:29

American or Chinese? American.

44:32

Motors. What would voters say? Yeah. And

44:34

think that's probably calculus that's gonna

44:36

be you know, Congress till us to vote on this.

44:40

I imagine, in fact, if you care about

44:42

this, you probably should write your congress critter.

44:44

I imagine they're, you know, putting their finger to the

44:46

wind right now saying, well, what's gonna happen?

44:49

If young people would vote a little more,

44:51

they might not be at risk. You

44:53

know. But this might be the

44:55

the the type of thing that gets young people to

44:57

vote. And I'm sure that's

44:59

what they I'm

45:00

losing my tick talk. Yeah. You better believe

45:02

I'm voting on. You know what? Sure. That's what senator.

45:04

No nothing is investigating.

45:07

But whether the people in my state

45:09

younger vote, though, in the last couple

45:12

of weeks. It's better. It is.

45:14

And I think as you as you continue to

45:16

eat away things that they care about, Supreme Court,

45:18

yesterday looked like in

45:21

the oral arguments, they were gonna vote to

45:23

overturn president Biden's student

45:26

loan forgiveness, that's

45:28

another one. You you do that. Mhmm. And

45:30

that that gets young people into the

45:33

Well, maybe not that young, people in their hopes.

45:35

Hopefully, it does. Get them into the the voting booths.

45:38

Yeah. This is why you need to vote, things

45:40

like this. And you're I'm sure that this

45:42

is every member of Congress is going, is

45:44

this gonna cost us a lot of votes under twenty

45:47

five? Yeah. Yeah. Probably.

45:49

Yeah. You know?

45:50

The other thing is is that media

45:52

should be defending TikTok. Just

45:54

like the question whether media don't

45:55

But that's a hard thing to solve. I even feel little

45:58

weird. Defending TikTok. I know. But

46:00

we should be defending the first amendment and rights

46:02

of speech on the Internet as podcasters. I

46:04

think we especially because because what

46:06

we are doing right now was enabled

46:09

by TikTok. Obvious My goodness,

46:12

TikTok. Oh, no. Not TikTok. TikTok.

46:14

Oh, your son is TikTok. Yeah. By the way,

46:16

we had You're more about the

46:18

Oh, here we're about the QuickBooks and the You're showing

46:20

that you got a big advance. Six

46:22

figure advance to write a -- Whoa.

46:24

-- book book. I don't know.

46:26

Kiddie. You don't know how this is awesome. And

46:29

that's So, man, one of the things he's doing

46:31

is he's going I

46:33

I Mike Elkin. I talked to Mike Elkin. Mike

46:35

Elkin. And as you know, we went down to Oaxaca last

46:37

year for the day of the dead. And the Elgans,

46:39

Mike and Emera know every chef in Oaxaca,

46:42

including one of the most famous chef,

46:44

Alejano Ruiz. And

46:47

Mike has for Henry to go down

46:49

for a month. Introduces with

46:52

chef Alex. Wow. It's

46:55

a unusual thing because he's gonna do TikTok.

46:57

Of fiction, if Alex Hi, Hank. Yeah.

47:01

And and that's gonna and he says, I think I'm gonna

47:03

do a Oaxaca chapter in the book. Which is

47:05

great, by the way, because Oaxacan food is

47:07

is the amazing wonderful cuisine

47:09

that that has yet to really enter the United

47:11

States once it does people gonna

47:13

upgrade. Oh, this is amazing.

47:14

Or a meal sandwich to fry them,

47:16

isn't he? Oh, yeah.

47:18

Oh, yeah. Take the hachid cuisine. And

47:21

turn it into

47:21

a sandwich. Into a sandwich. Days.

47:24

It's a Yeah. They they get

47:26

the taco or

47:27

anything. Yeah. I'd

47:28

I'd say that would be great start to

47:31

sing it. By the way, he wasn't originally

47:33

a sandwich guy. That was a thing that

47:35

he learned from TikTok. The algorithm

47:37

told him when he made sandwiches, a

47:39

huge difference, so he made sandwiches.

47:41

You know? Say the Chinese

47:44

or the Chinese or or controlling

47:45

them? They're controlling all over

47:46

stomachs. It

47:47

we wouldn't eat any sandwiches if it weren't for

47:49

China. Yeah.

47:50

They were invented there, weren't they? Now

47:53

okay. So Are

47:57

you gonna your

47:58

senator thing? Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

48:00

Yeah. How did you? It

48:03

helps if you use the voice -- Yeah. -- but

48:05

the police

48:06

government is not known for

48:09

freedom. They're known for repression. They're

48:11

known for of throwing their citizens

48:14

into concentration camps. Yep.

48:16

Should we not try

48:19

to keep that kind of you'll

48:23

feeling out of the United States of America.

48:28

I

48:28

love your filibuster. It's quick.

48:32

I mean, don't

48:34

they deserve sanctions? Just like we sanction,

48:37

The the the Rusty's I'm sorry.

48:39

The Russians against it because

48:42

of violations of human rights. I

48:44

don't think we should just but

48:46

turn blind. I added the Chinese just

48:48

because we go They make our bones.

48:50

That's not enough.

48:52

We won't make fist

48:53

bumps. To the

48:56

Saudis. Well, I don't like

48:58

them either, but that's another matter. Oh,

49:01

man. Jared keep his billion dollars.

49:03

I think we should keep the

49:05

satties out of this. I'm a you know, it's interesting

49:07

because I'm a big f one ant and I both big

49:09

f one fans, Formula One racing. And

49:12

this is a problem because the Formula One

49:15

has told people like Lewis

49:17

Hamilton you you can't wear that

49:19

rainbow flag helmet

49:21

where next time we go to Saudi Arabia

49:23

-- Right. They're

49:25

telling them, no. We gotta you you gotta run

49:27

all that stuff by us

49:29

first, and a lot of the races

49:31

are in well, Bahrain's the first

49:33

race. Bahrain's the first one. And then

49:35

there Saudi Arabia is the second one. And

49:38

so this is a global sport.

49:40

I love I know you love

49:41

it, Ant, and we're very excited. Similar

49:43

actions happened there in the World Cup

49:45

at Qatar. Yep. They,

49:47

though, act f one's really bad. They won't even

49:50

let Lewis wear his earring. They

49:53

just can't wear earrings, dude. What

49:56

the hell is a safety concern? Nineteen

49:58

fifty two. What are we talking here?

50:01

Yeah. Anyway,

50:04

I I

50:04

think you're gonna make us What is it? Are there women

50:06

drivers on the f one? No. Sorry.

50:08

Not yet. There's one black driver. That's it.

50:12

No

50:13

women. Female. See,

50:15

you see, you left Twitter and Facebook

50:17

because of the principal. Well, I live. Why

50:19

didn't you watch? And I did not watch

50:22

the World Cup because I was

50:24

upset that it was in Carter. By the way, there's

50:26

been an f one racing Carter. I

50:30

it's hard It's

50:32

hard. You

50:34

know, this this is the same sort of thing with

50:36

his TikTok. I don't I you

50:38

know, I'm just in favor of how Chinese

50:40

government treats its people.

50:43

I think it's reprehensible. But I love

50:45

James -- James. -- hand sandwiches are good there.

50:49

I have to look and see if he makes any Chinese

50:51

sandwiches, he might be working. How how was your Chinese

50:53

these days? It's very bad. I

50:56

I lost it all sad to say. But

50:58

I love the country. I love the people. I love

51:00

its history. I'm fascinated by it.

51:02

I think it is I think it

51:04

should be, by

51:06

all rights, one of the most successful

51:10

countries in the world because it's got the resources,

51:13

it's got the brains, it's got the people. And

51:16

it's unfortunately, I think the CCP which

51:18

was, you know, I have to say, in nineteen

51:20

forty five, Mount

51:23

Zeydong did lift

51:25

the Chinese people out of a feudal

51:28

system into the modern world,

51:30

but he made a lot of mistakes subsequently that

51:33

caused a great famine. And

51:35

the current regime is not just It's

51:37

Remember, you

51:38

know your next southern or, sir?

51:40

How do you know that? Because

51:42

you didn't say, mal, say, Tom, mouths,

51:44

they don't. I heard it. That means they don't

51:46

go. My life.

51:48

Mouse or the mouse? But

51:52

I but but Mao, in the early days,

51:54

did a lot for the Chinese people. And and

51:56

to this day, when we were in China and two thousand

51:58

nine, my son, Henry and I went, And

52:01

we went to a small village, and they all had big

52:03

screen, flat screen TVs. And

52:06

we were told by our guide Essentially,

52:09

that's what happens. Every year, it's a new thing. It's

52:11

air conditioning one year, big screen

52:13

TVs in next year. They're slowly

52:15

raising the standard living. And this is a very

52:18

poor Chinese village, you know, basically

52:20

subsistence agriculture. But

52:22

they have been lifted into the modern world

52:25

And so it's one of the reasons I think the Chinese people

52:27

are very supportive of their regime because

52:29

they get a lot benefits from it. And

52:32

and it really was vicious

52:34

feudal society. Right. Well, but but the other

52:36

thing is people

52:36

say, well,

52:37

the I I the thing I hate most of us, I hate people

52:39

say, well, China's not ready for democracy or most of what

52:41

Chinese people so They don't have you

52:44

it's wrong to say any people are not ready for

52:47

their own ruling themselves.

52:50

And b, opinion

52:53

polls that element

52:55

does a trust index every

52:57

year. And the oppressive regimes,

52:59

Russia of the

53:01

Philippines, China, are

53:03

all high on trust institutions because what else

53:05

are you gonna say? Right.

53:07

Yes. So the stranger calls you, oh, yes. Yes. Yes.

53:09

I love them. I love of them. They're they're out for us. Absolutely.

53:12

You can't separate that out very

53:13

easily. And and

53:15

as somebody's pointing out, a mal probably is the

53:17

highest death count of any dictator. He

53:20

killed. We don't even know

53:23

how many hundreds of millions of people

53:25

in the Great League Forward. And the cultural

53:27

revolution in the sixties was horrible. So

53:29

that, you know, he committed a lot of crimes.

53:33

You know, it's a it's life is the

53:36

stuff is complicated. And and to say, yeah,

53:38

we're gonna ban TikTok. That's gonna solve

53:39

everything. It it's not gonna solve

53:42

anything at all. Once where

53:44

media and politics come together,

53:46

and oversimplify the

53:47

world, and lose history, and lose context.

53:50

And we're not good with with real estate.

53:53

With ambiguity in gray areas.

53:55

Right. We wanna we

53:57

want good and bad. We wanna know good with the who's

53:59

the good

53:59

guys? Who the bad guys? Where's the good

54:01

guys? Tell me who to

54:02

hate. Tell me who to hate. Yeah.

54:04

I hate senator Neville. Well,

54:07

my friend, my colleague. Peggy, you brought

54:09

him back in the chest side of the aisle.

54:12

Would take you head out of his keys to

54:14

it and start thinking about real world

54:17

we live in.

54:18

Alright. Senator devil's gonna

54:20

retire now. Good.

54:25

Now that he's essentially Right. And senator,

54:27

devil, both go into

54:30

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Alright. Alright.

1:00:55

Enough for this -- Alright. -- senator senator You mean

1:00:57

that this is not a democracy and you're in charge.

1:00:59

We've just lost democracy. What's

1:01:01

next? Oh, actually

1:01:04

YouTube has a new leader. We talked about

1:01:06

Susan Wajeski moving along. The

1:01:09

the new guy in charge Neil Moen

1:01:11

wrote his first letter, and

1:01:14

of course he's smart. Our twenty

1:01:16

twenty three priorities, it's aimed particularly

1:01:18

at creators. Right? Who's more

1:01:20

who's most important to YouTube after advertisers

1:01:23

because they're the most important. creators,

1:01:25

somebody's gotta make that content. Yep.

1:01:29

He says, I thought he says, a little over

1:01:31

fifteen years ago, I visited company with an interesting

1:01:33

take on digital video. As

1:01:35

I walk through YouTube's small offices love

1:01:37

pizza parlor, I could see the promise of the

1:01:39

platform. I've thought about that moment

1:01:41

over the past few weeks as my longtime

1:01:44

friend and mentor, Susan Wajewski, transitioned

1:01:46

to become an adviser to Google and Alphabet, and I

1:01:48

took the helm as the new leader of

1:01:51

YouTube. So what does he say?

1:01:57

He he quoted We need to do

1:01:59

everything we can to make Marquise Brownley

1:02:01

happy. Yeah. Well,

1:02:02

that's number one. Definitely

1:02:05

the new one. Yeah. And mister Beast

1:02:07

happy. He and mister Beast. Yeah. Mister

1:02:09

Beast happy. Probably more importantly, mister Beast.

1:02:11

He he did say he quoted a

1:02:13

study from Oxford Economics that

1:02:16

in twenty twenty one more than two million

1:02:18

creators, two million earn

1:02:20

the money equivalent of a full time job

1:02:23

on YouTube. That's

1:02:25

awesome. Wow. So you talk about TikTok

1:02:27

and and it's for sure true that TikTok is

1:02:29

powered a lot of people, but nobody nobody

1:02:31

comes close to what YouTube's done. Right? YouTube

1:02:36

has a shopping feature now, ad revenue

1:02:38

sharing on shorts. The

1:02:40

number of people subscribing to individual channels

1:02:43

has jumped. Twenty percent year

1:02:45

over year, six million people

1:02:47

now subscribe to channels. It's

1:02:49

not a huge number given the number of people use

1:02:51

YouTube. I think that's also

1:02:53

because creators keep saying, hit this. Smash

1:02:55

the subscribe button during the never

1:02:58

gets old. They have added under his,

1:03:01

you know, this is probably something Susan

1:03:03

Wajewski had in process, but they just

1:03:05

added dubbing clips into alternate

1:03:08

languages. Right? How many languages do they have

1:03:10

now? It's kinda cool. Wow.

1:03:14

They of course, mister beast started

1:03:16

my Kimmy. It was it was tested

1:03:19

by mister Base First. Oh. So

1:03:21

this isn't

1:03:22

this isn't caption. This is dubbing.

1:03:24

Dubbing.

1:03:26

Wow. Multiple language audio

1:03:29

tracks. They built it in the Can we do that?

1:03:31

Can we do that from a clip from the

1:03:32

show? Sure. I wanna hear twig

1:03:35

in German. Okay? We just gotta

1:03:37

get somebody we just gotta get a cast of

1:03:40

people together.

1:03:42

What's that okay? Can we just put this on YouTube?

1:03:44

What can we dump it there? Yeah. Yeah.

1:03:46

But again, somebody has to speak German. Are you gonna

1:03:48

do it? No. I thought it was I thought

1:03:51

it was a computer

1:03:52

done. No. No. No. No. No. That's

1:03:54

that's what I thought too, Jeff. At first.

1:03:56

Oh, okay. You have

1:03:58

to imagine that's coming at some

1:04:00

point. Yeah. Actually, why not? You know what?

1:04:02

Oh, yeah. That's not a really sweet spot. Come

1:04:04

to think of it. The AI could do it. I mean,

1:04:06

they're they can translate pretty well already.

1:04:08

They're doing the transcriptions. Yep. They're doing the

1:04:10

transits translations. I guess all you'd have to do

1:04:12

is have the voice, have the voice. Yeah.

1:04:15

The item. The the creator chooses

1:04:17

which language. So there's now a and

1:04:20

you could see this on the mister beast video.

1:04:23

Hindi, Thai, Vietnamese, Arabic. He

1:04:25

rubs into a bunch bunch of different languages.

1:04:28

Over fifteen percent of the web videos, watch

1:04:30

time came from viewers. In different

1:04:32

language than the original

1:04:33

recording. So that's big. Mhmm. Viewers

1:04:36

watched over two million hours in January

1:04:39

alone of dubbed videos

1:04:40

So does mister Beast pay someone to do it or

1:04:42

volunteer's do it? Well known

1:04:45

creator, mister Beast, aka Jimmy

1:04:47

Donaldson, who has one hundred thirty million

1:04:49

global

1:04:49

subscribers. Dubbed his

1:04:51

eleven most popular videos in eleven

1:04:54

languages. In

1:04:55

an interview with YouTube's creator insider,

1:04:59

Is that Renee? I don't know. Mister

1:05:02

Beast explained, that should be that should be

1:05:04

the name of my senator. Set it up, Beast

1:05:07

Explain why the

1:05:09

feature was beneficial, why I don't even have to

1:05:11

explain that. It's much easier

1:05:13

to just run one channel than twelve. You

1:05:16

have to make twelve different thumbnails blah to blah.

1:05:19

So I'm looking to see if they explain

1:05:21

where how he got I guess he hired.

1:05:23

Or YouTube? Probably.

1:05:26

YouTube did. Yeah. Somebody -- Probably

1:05:28

if you do that. -- testing it out in a big

1:05:30

splash APR

1:05:31

leak. Who wants to volunteer? Any

1:05:34

of our listeners, proficient

1:05:37

You pick the language listeners. You tell

1:05:39

them you pick it. You'd have to have four

1:05:41

people. Right? You'd have to have somebody doing

1:05:43

my voice, some Whatever and whoever does

1:05:45

my voice has to have has

1:05:47

to have set it a beast. But

1:05:50

it doesn't have to be doesn't have to be a

1:05:52

foghorn legorn. It have to be something appropriate to

1:05:54

you or It could be a Bavarian accent. Oh, yeah.

1:05:57

It looks like this. So Oh,

1:05:59

boy. And that'd be you have to have a Jeff

1:06:01

want you have to have an aunt, want

1:06:03

you have to have a Jason. And

1:06:06

next week, you have to have as Daisy.

1:06:09

So Jason. Yeah. Good luck

1:06:11

with that. Jason.

1:06:13

Okay. Swam Brad says to double it and

1:06:16

click on

1:06:18

Portman's version of Portman's swamp.

1:06:20

Right? A

1:06:22

South according to Mohan's

1:06:25

letter of South Korean creator gained over

1:06:27

thirty thousand members after launching channel

1:06:29

memberships just seven months ago.

1:06:32

Six million viewers paid for channel memberships on

1:06:34

YouTube in December, twenty percent

1:06:36

increase. So, yeah, it makes sense

1:06:39

that Moan would be focused on creators.

1:06:42

He talks about top gaming creators.

1:06:44

YouTube's always done that. Right? It's

1:06:46

always been about the the the

1:06:49

You know, I Yeah. And I don't I kinda don't like this

1:06:51

because it's it's it's

1:06:54

I think a little deceptive. To

1:06:56

the rank and file creator who is

1:06:58

never gonna make dollar one. Mhmm.

1:07:01

But you go look at all these people making

1:07:03

a living, on YouTube, there's

1:07:05

two million of them. YouTube could. But

1:07:07

what you're really saying is, come on, everybody. You

1:07:09

gotta work for us. Make more content for us. We're

1:07:12

gonna make the bulk of the

1:07:13

money. And they're not lying. Yeah.

1:07:15

There are two million. No. It's true. They take us to

1:07:17

understand what's happening. Yeah. And

1:07:20

you and and it's true that you could

1:07:23

also.

1:07:24

Are you likely to? That's a different

1:07:27

story. Oh, and here is Rene Ritchie,

1:07:29

creator liaison in In

1:07:32

that YouTube letter, what

1:07:34

creators need to know from Neil's letter.

1:07:37

So Yay Renee, They

1:07:41

also talked about protecting kids. Looking

1:07:45

ahead, This is a

1:07:47

pivotal moment for our industry we face

1:07:50

challenging economic headwinds and

1:07:52

uncertain geopolitical conditions AI

1:07:55

represents incredible creative

1:07:57

opportunities, but must be balanced by responsible

1:08:00

stewardship. This

1:08:02

is what motivates me and everyone at YouTube

1:08:05

to do our best work every single day.

1:08:07

It's kind of an anodyne. Didn't know what

1:08:09

you'd expect letter, but

1:08:12

There's some facts in the end too.

1:08:14

How does how does Salt Hank

1:08:16

do when it comes to YouTube.

1:08:19

I

1:08:19

mean, YouTube as a as a platform has

1:08:22

been around much longer than a TikTok than

1:08:24

it know, it's funny when he was doing TikTok. So

1:08:26

why don't you do more YouTube? He said, So

1:08:28

he has done since then, he's done some long

1:08:30

form

1:08:30

YouTube. He does YouTube shorts. I've seen some

1:08:33

of his long

1:08:33

term stuff. Yeah. And it's good, but Insta's

1:08:35

his Yeah. Because of his style,

1:08:37

which was TikTok inspired inspired inspired inspired by

1:08:39

fashion. Fastweb. Shortcuts. Right.

1:08:42

It really lends itself to Instagram Reels

1:08:44

are effectively

1:08:45

TikTok. Right. Yeah.

1:08:47

It's it's it's it's not just cooking too.

1:08:49

He's he's flirting in a specific way

1:08:51

with his audience. Right? He's it's rye.

1:08:54

It's He's been pancreatic. Really?

1:08:57

How many how many proposals is Hank

1:08:59

had? Quite a few. He's --

1:09:01

Yep. -- he'll be on the bachelor's next. Yeah.

1:09:03

Yeah. He's got a

1:09:05

girlfriend. No. I shouldn't say this, though, probably.

1:09:08

Here he is here he's making Did

1:09:10

he meet her through the through the Bondy.

1:09:13

No. She's an influencer, though. I hear

1:09:15

I understand. Oh, wow. Okay.

1:09:17

He's done a lot of colabs. That's one of the things

1:09:19

you do. Right? Yep. Yeah. You're

1:09:22

you're doing these these

1:09:23

codes, which is cool. Yeah.

1:09:25

That's really a nice part of it. Yeah.

1:09:27

There is you know, and think YouTube has this

1:09:29

too. There where's this kind of collegial thing

1:09:32

about it? Here's making a chicken festo

1:09:34

sandwich. Consistent reaction

1:09:37

This is an ad. Did you see that real quick?

1:09:39

Yep. The Mazzetta Peppers, it's an ad

1:09:41

for Mazzetta. And this is,

1:09:43

by the way, TikTok doesn't get any

1:09:45

of that money. Nordahi, Nordahi's

1:09:47

YouTube. And that's really how you

1:09:49

make money on these all of these forms

1:09:51

is selling your own ass. Oh, that was good.

1:09:53

Oh, that was good. Oh. And don't

1:09:55

forget a mozzana. This

1:10:01

is bizarre.

1:10:03

But isn't that subtle?

1:10:06

Yes. I freaking lied. Did I tell

1:10:08

you about this one still? Did I tell you about this

1:10:10

one? Did I tell you about I can't

1:10:12

play the music, but I'll take that off. But did this

1:10:14

one He got a partnership with

1:10:16

a Los Angeles company,

1:10:19

shock you l dot l a. They go

1:10:21

around and do catering for big events

1:10:23

or big company. They gave him

1:10:26

that snow crab. It looked

1:10:28

like about a pound of coffee or Huge

1:10:30

amount of coffee. Yeah. And he made

1:10:32

a cowboy, a snow crab Pobo

1:10:34

with a caviar

1:10:36

rimmelade. Oh,

1:10:36

like, he said it was it was a

1:10:39

seven thousand dollar sandwich. It

1:10:43

just looks so

1:10:44

delicious. That's eleven. You

1:10:46

have a roll or sandwich.

1:10:49

Yeah. You made a seven thousand

1:10:51

dollars sandwich today. Oh,

1:10:54

capitalism,

1:10:55

man. Capitalism. Has chef the

1:10:57

only chef reaction there were No. I

1:10:59

don't think so. Hank. Oh, I don't think

1:11:01

so. I have to ask him about that. That's a good

1:11:03

question. Okay. So notice by the way

1:11:05

here on his instant, linked to his

1:11:07

YouTubes. So

1:11:10

Oh, okay. So, you know, they're gonna do it. And

1:11:12

this is a short. Right? think this is a short.

1:11:15

YouTube. First YouTube is up.

1:11:17

YouTube two is up. Oh, these are

1:11:19

little

1:11:19

instill. I see.

1:11:20

Okay. Insta things. And then he has the link

1:11:22

on

1:11:22

his program.

1:11:23

Link visit the link to you too. You

1:11:25

called the slash promotions. Yeah.

1:11:27

This

1:11:27

is longer for Yeah. It's longer.

1:11:29

So this is where I guess this is where I get you into

1:11:31

as longer Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know. Let's

1:11:33

see what the views. I don't think these these do

1:11:35

so as well. Where do I see this?

1:11:37

Thirty nine thousand. Thirty nine thousand. Thirty nine

1:11:39

thousand. Four months. Yes. See that's nothing.

1:11:41

Oh, there is. That's nothing. Yeah.

1:11:43

But then the salt you're selling the salt. You're selling

1:11:45

the cookbook. You're selling TV show.

1:11:48

You're selling your presence. Yeah. You know?

1:11:50

I am hungry. I know. It's impossible

1:11:52

to watch his videos and not getting incredibly

1:11:54

hungry.

1:11:55

My boy. Yeah. I'll tell

1:11:57

you. He

1:11:58

I tell you he cooked a kibana with

1:12:00

Guy Fieri last weekend?

1:12:02

I heard you mention Guy Fieri. That that's

1:12:04

awesome. He was at Is

1:12:06

that gonna be on honors drive it in the

1:12:08

No. God. Cai doesn't do that anymore.

1:12:11

They just rerun it forever. I don't think

1:12:12

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Just visited

1:12:15

You just visited places near me? Oh, okay.

1:12:18

So, no, was at

1:12:20

a Miami Food Festival. Apparently,

1:12:23

it's a big one. And he

1:12:26

Hank did a couple of things. He was he

1:12:28

was at the mister clean booth making

1:12:30

bloody marries. I somewhere

1:12:36

have some video of that. And then

1:12:38

Guy Fieri was one of the celebrity chefs

1:12:40

there. And he did -- Yeah. -- and he

1:12:43

was on Fieri. Fieri. He

1:12:45

was on stage with guy doing

1:12:47

a kibana. Sales. Oh, that's so

1:12:49

cool. Yeah. So yeah.

1:12:51

You know, the you these there's this whole they make

1:12:53

the rounds basically these days. Yeah.

1:12:56

Food is it, you know, thanks to the food network.

1:12:59

Food is it.

1:13:01

But it's

1:13:01

what he has. Henry always wanted

1:13:03

to do that. You know, he he grew up

1:13:06

watching YouTube food videos. That's

1:13:09

how he learned to cook. It wasn't from me.

1:13:11

Oh. Yeah. So he

1:13:13

was always oriented in

1:13:14

that. What does

1:13:15

he think of your machines? Your many

1:13:17

machines? He got

1:13:19

shading or jealous?

1:13:22

That's a good question. I don't know. He doesn't use

1:13:24

machines, really. He uses like

1:13:26

a bullet, mostly chops his

1:13:29

own. I gave

1:13:31

him my No. I had a very I had a

1:13:33

very nice knife roll with, like, the best knives,

1:13:36

not that I'm a chef, but I, you know, at one point,

1:13:38

I said, I don't want some good knives. And I gave

1:13:40

it to him one year. And, yeah, I don't think he's gonna use

1:13:42

it, so I don't know. If

1:13:45

he won't use my knives, he definitely won't use

1:13:47

my kitchen appliances.

1:13:50

Microsoft Law mister Robyn

1:13:52

Nielsen put in our discord, you

1:13:54

know, speaking of AI. Dubbing.

1:13:57

Oh, wait a minute. Now this is the is this we've

1:13:59

been working on this. We've been working on

1:14:01

this. We're very excited about this. At

1:14:03

some point, I can retire And

1:14:06

AI Leo could take

1:14:08

over. What are Duvandem Hemo Bist,

1:14:10

Alice Lead and Schmers and Stylist. Is

1:14:14

doubled mid air quick home fullest. A tremendous

1:14:17

tribons Mouné was sold Alders,

1:14:19

Schmitz, Unloost, Sister freezing,

1:14:21

calm, calm, and mine a brewst.

1:14:24

What did I just say? I don't

1:14:26

do

1:14:27

not deplete any of this Anthony's will let me

1:14:29

know nothing. Okay. But

1:14:30

it was real words -- Right. -- in my breast.

1:14:33

It was real words, wasn't it? He put

1:14:35

the kind words put the transcript

1:14:37

there for you.

1:14:40

Oh, and and let me go look.

1:14:42

The hell that's from the heavens' art.

1:14:44

Every pain in Every pain in

1:14:46

sorrow. Is that a is this good?

1:14:51

Not a doubly, wretched heart, doubly with

1:14:53

a refreshment Philist. I am weirdly

1:14:55

with contending why this pain and desire

1:14:57

peace descending come into

1:15:00

my breast. Okay. Play it again now.

1:15:03

Now that you know it's poetry. Wadar

1:15:06

DuVanda Hemmelbist, Alice lead

1:15:08

on Schmersson's still list. Who's voice there?

1:15:10

Doubled Ellen is That's my voice.

1:15:14

Ikpin described in his moody with

1:15:16

sole alder Schmidt's moon boost.

1:15:18

Sooner free day calm, a calm in

1:15:20

mind. It brew terrible at pronunciation.

1:15:22

Is

1:15:23

it? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sounds

1:15:25

like you. That's the dubbed version.

1:15:27

Sounds like a young Leo.

1:15:28

Yeah. It sounds like a young this, but Yeah. You

1:15:30

know this, Leo. Which

1:15:32

which which synthesis

1:15:34

are you using? Was that Descript? Or

1:15:36

was it eleven labs? I don't know which

1:15:39

one is eleven labs. Eleven labs. He's played with

1:15:41

he's played with both. Yeah.

1:15:43

He's getting quite You know what? Though, Anthony,

1:15:45

the coffee stain is not on my shirt.

1:15:49

No. See AI removes those reflections.

1:15:52

Yeah. I like

1:15:54

it. Yeah. He's working on that.

1:15:56

It's kind of the low voxel version of Leo,

1:15:58

though. It's not looks

1:16:00

more like I told him

1:16:02

we want kinda want a max headroom thing.

1:16:06

Right? It's pretty close. Right? Yeah.

1:16:08

Yes. Yeah. The low poly. You got

1:16:10

it, but you gotta add

1:16:11

the the stutter in the Yeah. I

1:16:13

can do that. Sure.

1:16:16

Anthony Nelson has become our king of AI.

1:16:18

He

1:16:19

really has. Yeah. Let's talk about AI.

1:16:21

AI is all the rage. These

1:16:24

days. In fact, Microsoft actually,

1:16:26

they kinda they kinda misled

1:16:28

people. They announced they have a new

1:16:31

thing they're doing when

1:16:33

they update windows, they call it a moment. And

1:16:36

moment two came out yesterday, and

1:16:38

they said that it would bring AI

1:16:40

powered Bing to

1:16:43

Windows eleven. Not

1:16:46

really. What it does is it puts a logo

1:16:48

on your Windows eleven task bar that when you

1:16:50

click it, opens up

1:16:52

edge

1:16:53

and the Bing chat. So they gave

1:16:55

you a shortcut or an ad or

1:16:58

an

1:16:58

ad. Let's let's

1:17:00

It's called a Spade

1:17:01

as a It's an ad. Oh,

1:17:03

boy. See this feature?

1:17:06

Yeah. Here's the if you look at

1:17:08

it in the in the little search pill

1:17:11

we call it, there's a b. When

1:17:13

you click it, it says introducing

1:17:15

the new bing. But if you wanna do

1:17:17

anything, you have to open up edge and You can't

1:17:18

just use that little search

1:17:19

bar. No.

1:17:20

Plug it in there.

1:17:21

No. See, that

1:17:21

would be an integrated inter

1:17:23

I mean, there's nothing there's no problem. They didn't do that except

1:17:25

they want This is all performance And Microsoft

1:17:27

is

1:17:28

playing a game here. Yeah.

1:17:31

Well, Microsoft was sure touted

1:17:33

there in the beginning as having made

1:17:35

a really smart move with this whole chat

1:17:37

GPT thing, reporters or idiots.

1:17:40

We're a couple of weeks away from that now.

1:17:43

Has that proven to be the case? I mean,

1:17:45

Google didn't, you know, initial

1:17:47

mean, they they haven't -- They still haven't. -- they had their

1:17:50

bar thing, but but they haven't

1:17:52

raised their Yeah. That's It turned out

1:17:54

to actually be kind of a good thing by comparison.

1:17:56

Right?

1:17:58

Jason, in in the the

1:18:00

annex in the kitty table part of the rundown,

1:18:03

I put in two stories that was was interesting to

1:18:05

me that that there's already a tech

1:18:07

clash against OpenAI

1:18:08

now. Oh, yeah. Well, So And

1:18:11

and this is reasonable because OpenAI,

1:18:13

which was funded in twenty

1:18:15

fifteen, partly by Elon Musk who partnered

1:18:17

company with them a few years later, to be

1:18:20

a response to the closed

1:18:22

source development of AI by

1:18:24

Microsoft and Google and

1:18:26

others, it was to be the open one,

1:18:28

the nonprofit one. But

1:18:30

it's no longer

1:18:32

Yeah. It's definitely not nonprofit anyone.

1:18:34

Yeah. Uh-uh. So this is an other board art

1:18:36

article. Open AI is now everything

1:18:39

it promised not to be corporate closed source

1:18:41

and for profit. True.

1:18:43

Right? Yeah. Yeah. They

1:18:48

now this, to me, is little nerve

1:18:50

wracking. Sam Altman had CEO

1:18:52

wrote a blog post this week planning for

1:18:55

AGI and beyond. AGI

1:18:59

is the scary AI, the

1:19:01

general intelligence, which would

1:19:03

essentially be as

1:19:05

he says, our mission is to ensure that

1:19:07

artificial and general intelligence AI

1:19:10

systems that are generally smarter

1:19:12

than humans benefits

1:19:15

all of humanity. If

1:19:17

AGI successfully created well,

1:19:21

yeah. I don't know.

1:19:26

I don't know. We don't have AGI. I think it's

1:19:28

pretty clear. Blake Lemoine and and

1:19:31

and Azil not withstanding. It's

1:19:33

not sentient. No. No.

1:19:35

It's not as smart as a human.

1:19:39

It sounds like it is. I

1:19:42

once asked Ray Kirschwa who is

1:19:44

kind of the king of all of the singularity. Right?

1:19:46

He said it's sometime in in the

1:19:48

next twenty years, he said I think by twenty

1:19:50

thirty five. Their

1:19:53

computers will be in. Now this is his key

1:19:55

phrase, indistinguishable from humans. And

1:19:58

I said, but but will they be thinking and

1:20:00

saying he doesn't matter if you can't tell the

1:20:02

difference, they're indistinguishable from humans.

1:20:04

That's that's it.

1:20:06

Mhmm. It doesn't it's foolish

1:20:08

to say, well, are they thinking? That's not

1:20:11

If you can't tell, does it matter? I don't

1:20:13

know if Jason's

1:20:14

thinking. Right. Well, thank you.

1:20:17

Thank you for that. But

1:20:19

but what is but what is thinking to

1:20:21

a computer? I mean, any any operation

1:20:24

that is determined by computer is

1:20:27

in essence thinking

1:20:28

Right? Not as we think. Not

1:20:30

as we think of thinking. But

1:20:32

when I think of

1:20:33

-- Yes.

1:20:34

-- it's really weird. When I think of thinking

1:20:36

-- it's thinking. I think of, you know,

1:20:38

I want this thing to happen. I have to understand

1:20:40

it. I have to figure out. I have to know how to

1:20:42

how to do this thing or

1:20:44

whatever. That's what a computer does when it's when it

1:20:46

you know, performing an action. I mean, the

1:20:48

type of thinking. Yeah. Yeah.

1:20:50

That's Ray's point. Exactly. Kirazwal said,

1:20:52

if you can't tell difference, doesn't matter

1:20:55

what the internal process is. Right. The result

1:20:57

is the same. Now

1:21:00

the real singularity comes when And

1:21:02

this is where it gets scary when

1:21:04

AGI can design better AGI

1:21:07

or can build better

1:21:08

machines.

1:21:08

And sold better version of itself. Then

1:21:10

they're faster than humans. Mhmm. It it

1:21:12

becomes iterative and it gets faster and faster

1:21:15

accelerates to the point

1:21:16

where, you know, the I don't know what. What

1:21:19

is

1:21:19

what's the limit? Yeah. In other words, right

1:21:21

now, we're holding it back. Mhmm. But

1:21:24

as soon as it could -- humans. -- pesky humans.

1:21:26

As soon as it can do it itself, nothing

1:21:29

to stop it, a machine that could design machines,

1:21:33

I don't know what, takes

1:21:35

over the universe. Yeah.

1:21:38

So we can imagine a world

1:21:40

in which humanity flourishes to a degree that

1:21:42

is probably impossible For any of us

1:21:44

to fully visualize it yet, we hope to contribute

1:21:46

to the world says Altman, an AGI

1:21:49

aligned was such

1:21:51

flourishing. And if not,

1:21:53

well, we try. I

1:21:57

mean, really? The

1:21:59

first AGI will just be a point along

1:22:01

the continuum of intelligence. We think it's likely

1:22:04

progress will continue from there. Yes. See, that's what

1:22:06

scares me. Possibly sustaining

1:22:08

the rate of progress we've seen over the past decade

1:22:10

for a long period of time. Or he

1:22:12

doesn't say or faster, If

1:22:14

this is true, the world could become extremely

1:22:17

different from how it is today, and the

1:22:19

risks could be extraordinary, a

1:22:21

misaligned, super intelligent,

1:22:25

AGI could cause grievous harm to the

1:22:27

world. An autocratic

1:22:29

regime with a decisive

1:22:32

superintelligence lead could do

1:22:34

that as well. Yikes.

1:22:38

So what are they doing to prevent that?

1:22:42

Nothing. We

1:22:46

think a slower takeoff is easier to make

1:22:48

safe. And coordination among AGI

1:22:51

efforts to slow down at

1:22:53

critical junctures will likely

1:22:55

be important. Even in

1:22:57

a world where we don't need to do this to solve technical

1:22:59

alignment problems, slowing down may be important

1:23:02

to give society enough time to adapt. So so

1:23:05

so so don't be in such a hurry. Successfully

1:23:09

transitioning to a world was superintelligence,

1:23:13

should add non human superintelligence is

1:23:16

perhaps the most important and hopeful and

1:23:18

scary project in human history. Success

1:23:20

is far from guaranteed, and the

1:23:22

stakes, boundless downside, and

1:23:25

boundless upside will hopefully

1:23:27

unite all of us. It's not really

1:23:30

All he's saying is slow

1:23:31

down. He's not

1:23:33

really giving us any tools. He's also out there

1:23:35

saying, wait. This is in the last week. Too. It was

1:23:37

in in the rundown last week where he's

1:23:39

saying, regulate us. So we don't have to make decisions

1:23:41

you make them for

1:23:42

us. Yeah. That's not Kevin Mark and I

1:23:44

are both in the in the rundown, invading

1:23:46

the rundown.

1:23:47

Hi, Kevin. Oh, hi, Kevin. Hi,

1:23:49

Kevin. We invited him on, but I think it was

1:23:51

such short notice that

1:23:52

he couldn't probably couldn't get in. Yeah. I just

1:23:54

I just got an email from him. Yeah. So

1:23:57

Emily Bender, who was one of the sarcastic parrots,

1:23:59

paper authors, coauthors. Has

1:24:01

a thread, which is in there, in which he's tearing

1:24:04

apart all. She's amazing

1:24:06

on her ongoing comments

1:24:08

on the hype of

1:24:11

of

1:24:11

AI. But she has been a

1:24:13

naysayer. It's first Absolutely. Yeah.

1:24:16

Absolutely. Well, just just the naysayer mainly

1:24:18

of the hype. Mainly of the overpromise.

1:24:22

And So this is your reaction

1:24:24

to Sam's post. This piece.

1:24:26

Yes. From

1:24:28

the get go, this is just gross. They

1:24:32

think they're really in the business of developing,

1:24:34

shaping AGI, and they think are there positioned.

1:24:36

To decide what benefits all of humanity,

1:24:39

ding ding ding ding

1:24:44

Where's her? I don't understand. That's the next

1:24:46

How does this Twitter word to get to that?

1:24:49

That's not Twitter. It's Mastodon. Sure.

1:24:51

No. How does Mastodon? That's her next post.

1:24:53

That's right

1:24:54

there. Where you're that's sort of an explanation. All the advice

1:24:56

that we need to imagine that AGI have successfully

1:24:58

created is literally magic. Also,

1:25:00

What does turbo charge in the economy

1:25:03

mean? If there's already abundance

1:25:05

more dollars for the super rich has to be,

1:25:07

also not the rhetorical sleight of hand

1:25:09

here, Paragraph one has AGI

1:25:11

as a hypothetical. But by paragraph

1:25:14

two, it's already something that has potential. But

1:25:17

oh, no. The magical imagined AGI

1:25:19

also has downsides, but

1:25:21

it's also so so tempting and

1:25:23

important to create that we cannot not create

1:25:25

it. At the next rhetorical

1:25:27

slide of hand here, now AGI is an

1:25:29

unpreventable

1:25:31

future. That's the essence

1:25:33

of what you

1:25:33

said. Really good post. I

1:25:37

I think I'm following miss

1:25:40

Binder. But if not, I'm

1:25:42

gonna follow She should. She's she's brilliant. Yeah.

1:25:45

I'm pretty sure I am following her.

1:25:47

You know, the problem I'm

1:25:48

asking on, you can't you can't try to switch over

1:25:50

from One page to another is

1:25:52

already following her. Well, if

1:25:54

actually, if I'd been following it as

1:25:57

a follower as opposed to in that

1:25:59

form, I could see it little bit better. But,

1:26:02

yeah, she's a professor of linguistics

1:26:05

at UW University of Washington.

1:26:07

She runs the master of science in computational

1:26:10

linguistics

1:26:11

program. So she knows what she's talking

1:26:13

about. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And again, she

1:26:15

was co author with Timna Gebaru

1:26:18

and Smarga Mitchell. And

1:26:20

one other whose name I forgot, the fourth Beatles,

1:26:23

fifth Beatles, of the static a sarcastic

1:26:25

parents

1:26:25

Right. -- warning of this. So

1:26:28

what yeah. I mean, this is a good question. I

1:26:30

mean, talk about big tech. It's

1:26:34

kinda like nuclear

1:26:36

proliferation. We're

1:26:38

in we're in the era of

1:26:40

AI proliferation. And

1:26:43

there's nobody nobody talking about

1:26:45

disarmament. But here too,

1:26:47

to talk about we must regulate this now. We

1:26:49

don't know what it is. Well, you can't yeah. I

1:26:51

guess you can't, but what do you do then? Right. If

1:26:53

you can't regulate it, what do you do?

1:26:55

You you you educate people,

1:26:57

you'd be cautious, you keep people

1:27:00

accountable, you do what what only

1:27:02

vendors doing, and and and

1:27:04

mock them when they're going overboard. That's

1:27:07

what society

1:27:08

does. I mean, but what is

1:27:10

being cautious there's gonna be a lot

1:27:12

of companies that have that see the potential

1:27:14

the upside of getting

1:27:16

into AI. And their

1:27:19

bottom line is to make money.

1:27:22

So, like, where like, how

1:27:24

You don't want to make them to draw

1:27:26

the line of what caution is.

1:27:28

Because, like, we're actually gonna push it. Right?

1:27:31

Microsoft threw caution

1:27:33

to the wind. Google

1:27:36

almost did, but then held back and said, no, we're the

1:27:38

cautious one.

1:27:39

Yeah. Right. Yeah.

1:27:42

Yeah. So if we

1:27:44

did an AI show, I don't know if we're

1:27:46

gonna We're we're not really in

1:27:49

position. Please. To watch new shows,

1:27:51

but everybody wants to be on the show, except

1:27:53

for Ant and who's left. It's

1:27:55

not in don't wanna do it. It's not

1:27:57

in my no. But but no.

1:27:59

He not gonna do it either. But gonna we're gonna

1:28:01

do abuse theatres show. Gosh.

1:28:04

No.

1:28:05

Wayne Brook.

1:28:06

There you go. No. Yes.

1:28:07

If you pass it in, I show you how to

1:28:09

do the next one and that is musical theater.

1:28:11

So there you go. Oh

1:28:15

my gosh. I fear that we would

1:28:17

not have that much to We'd have plenty

1:28:19

to talk

1:28:19

about, but it'll be highly speculative. Right?

1:28:22

Speculation. That's all it is.

1:28:24

Every week, you're speculating on what

1:28:26

could potentially

1:28:27

happen. And think that's gonna get

1:28:29

old. You got stupid coverage. You got stupid

1:28:32

companies. You got smart things happening. You

1:28:34

got great opportunities. III we talked about

1:28:36

this So in our our management program, we

1:28:38

have twenty three amazing high level managers

1:28:40

in the in the executive program by help start.

1:28:43

At the school, we were talking about this

1:28:45

just yesterday. I did a class

1:28:47

on on Mastodon and and the Federal University

1:28:49

and this. And one of the issues that

1:28:51

comes down is a very international group. They

1:28:53

are using it for translation. They're

1:28:56

using it to fix their work.

1:28:58

It's making people who are

1:29:01

shy about their English as a second language,

1:29:04

more confident. It's all these kinds of

1:29:06

uses that you don't know people are putting

1:29:08

it to and finding value

1:29:10

in it. One person said she's using it to

1:29:12

write grant proposals because

1:29:14

it's all the same BS. So

1:29:16

she just returns them out with it. Right?

1:29:19

There's there's interesting

1:29:21

uses. There's interesting dangers. There's

1:29:23

interesting development. There's interesting business.

1:29:25

There's bad media coverage about it. Oh, it's

1:29:27

rich. Yeah. Let me let me put my

1:29:29

miss Lisa La Porte hat on right

1:29:31

now. Okay. So we're gonna do this

1:29:33

this week in AI Show. You're gonna

1:29:35

be able to talk about this for a

1:29:37

year? At least, you know --

1:29:38

Oh, yeah. -- fifty

1:29:39

two episodes.

1:29:39

Oh, you can give it to

1:29:40

me episodes at it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

1:29:43

Until I might get sick.

1:29:44

I feel like waiting quarters of Tech Meeam on

1:29:46

on daily ASIS has something to do with it.

1:29:48

It's clearly sucks. And they all say the same

1:29:50

thing, mister Howe. Here I have

1:29:52

that same qualm, but my qualm is that this

1:29:54

is just kind

1:29:56

of irrational exuberance and that we're gonna hit

1:29:58

another AI winner. We've done this before many,

1:30:01

many times even in my

1:30:02

memory.

1:30:03

So we've done all three in an FTs and

1:30:05

all that crap. We do. Oh, yeah. Watching.

1:30:07

But even about AI. We've gotten all excited

1:30:09

about it. We thought self driving cars

1:30:12

were just around

1:30:12

the corner. We thought we've this is

1:30:15

not and and there have been many AI winners.

1:30:17

And I just would hate to start a

1:30:20

show about something, and then then the AI winner

1:30:22

happens. And

1:30:24

we all go, yeah.

1:30:25

It's about a temporary show. It would have to

1:30:27

be temporary. It'd have to be just kind of

1:30:29

a I think if we did it, it would be in the club, and

1:30:31

it would be just kind of a chat like this.

1:30:33

Mhmm. But I see. I do wanna

1:30:35

talk to experts. I would like them people like Sure.

1:30:37

There's lots of people who invite like Emily Bender.

1:30:39

Yeah. Like that young woman I sent you, whose name

1:30:41

I can't remember,

1:30:42

Jason, Oh, yes. On TikTok.

1:30:44

Whenever

1:30:45

people send me young women, I have to send them

1:30:47

back. It's kind of a legal thing.

1:30:51

Stacy, if Stacy were here.

1:30:53

It's a joke. It's a joke.

1:30:56

Oh, god. And an answer out of here. Oh,

1:30:58

God. Honest denial of it. Rachel

1:31:00

Woods.

1:31:01

You're sending the

1:31:02

name of young woman. Let's be clear. Rachel

1:31:05

Woods. Okay.

1:31:06

Apply play a little of Rachel Woods, by the way.

1:31:08

She's she's really good on this topic. He's

1:31:10

on

1:31:10

on TikTok. She

1:31:11

put it here. Here you go.

1:31:13

Okay. I'll I'll you can't you can't do it

1:31:15

because it won't go on the won't go

1:31:17

on the thing. Rachel Woods She

1:31:19

explained TikTok. So she's a TikToker

1:31:22

who explains AI. Oh, she's an AI

1:31:24

startup founder.

1:31:26

Okay. So she has a she has something,

1:31:28

but

1:31:29

Yeah. Yep. So here we go. This is

1:31:31

her most recent. Let me turn

1:31:33

on the turn on the sound

1:31:35

thing. Turn the Turn

1:31:37

on the machine. Can you get some real

1:31:39

intelligence to know how to turn on the sound? Can you turn

1:31:41

on can you turn on the machine?

1:31:45

That's a machine. I have to push that

1:31:46

button. I said, I

1:31:48

have

1:31:49

to push that button. I forgot

1:31:51

you're screaming. In quizlet. Okay. Here

1:31:53

we go. API was announced and people

1:31:55

are going crazy. It's ten times cheaper

1:31:57

than OpenAI's previous model, which

1:31:59

means we're about to have chat GPT in

1:32:01

every product. They already announced

1:32:03

this in a new grocery shopping assistant for

1:32:06

Instacart, a shopping assistant

1:32:08

for any Shopify store, a

1:32:10

tutor on any subject in quizlet,

1:32:12

and your own personal AI and Snapchat.

1:32:14

Holy cow. There was a lot more in this announcement

1:32:17

around privacy and restrictions of

1:32:19

how you can use the API. We'll be covering

1:32:21

all of us tomorrow in our newsletter, so drop your

1:32:23

questions. If you're not already on it, the link is in

1:32:25

my

1:32:25

bio. Wow. I think

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this is She's great.

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I learned from her a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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And she's got a newsletter. So

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subscribe. Let me see if I'll see if

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I can find the I needed it up too.

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Yeah. Let me let me find her

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her link. The a I exchange

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dot com slash

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the Rachel Woods. And

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there's link there to our newsletter.

1:32:53

Interesting. Alright.

1:32:55

Jason can make that happen, mhmm,

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because you know what, e despite

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all appearances, he can think. True.

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Sometimes despite all

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appearances, and I don't don't believe

1:33:06

what you see here. I'm just teasing.

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I'm just teasing about this much No.

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Jason's a great producer on my

1:33:12

forehead. No. Oh, I'm t's head. He's

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a great great producer.

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Producing as he's

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Yeah. Hosting. Right? Type and look crazy.

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Yeah. I'm pretty

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It's amazing. That's really impressive. I have to

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say.

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