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if you don't mind, I've got. I've got a

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5:46

very many. Silly. Pieces

5:48

of hardware being introduced, I.

5:51

Think probably though. given the name of the show

5:54

this we can google We should talk about the

5:56

Gemini. Yeah asked? I'm gonna

5:58

say tempest in a Teapot. I'd

6:00

like you know where you guys that he. Whoop!

6:02

Gemini. Whoop! Gemini. So

6:06

earlier this week, That.

6:09

Happened on Twitter which should tell

6:11

you everything you need to know.

6:14

People started tweeting pictures from googles

6:16

a ai. Image Jimmer

6:18

Generation Gemini. Of.

6:21

Pope's and others. And.

6:26

But. You know how to have had a woman pole?

6:29

And and a Native American, a

6:31

Pope. Added had a black

6:33

man sitting with see of of

6:35

founding fathers. And

6:38

a half black Nazis and

6:40

and so. I. Guess.

6:43

This. Offends. People.

6:45

Believe that Pokes should be

6:47

white as said Nazis in

6:49

the sounding Five people Leominster

6:52

twitter user end woke Ness

6:54

and woke. This might have

6:56

my giveaway there on that.

6:59

He was accused of being are anti

7:01

weights. That. Yeah, oh

7:03

see what Google did with their Ai? They made

7:06

it. Will bow that I've got a number Promise!

7:08

First of all, these a lotta anthropomorphism going on.

7:10

Here is is a computer program folks? And.

7:13

Ah, so it's not. You can't

7:15

call a computer program. Wolves.

7:17

Or or or not woke.

7:20

Oh. Google was accused of be woke in

7:22

the guard rail for to put on don't

7:24

give everybody white people as was or for

7:26

was accused of doing. The. I don't think

7:28

that's the case either, but I probably was

7:30

the case that this isn't the tuning a via

7:33

of the model and they're among other things.

7:35

they would give it rules and. Google

7:38

of course very sensitive to the fact

7:40

that they're often are a i comes

7:42

up with. Because of

7:44

it's training data. Racists. Know

7:46

kind of to societies races? Yeah so

7:48

if you ask, yeah, If. You

7:50

ask it to I you know, eyes you

7:52

don't face recognition and notoriously terrible with that

7:55

people of color. eyes you ask it to

7:57

come up with up for granted are a

7:59

bit. A doctor. Be a white

8:01

man. A. Nurse who to be

8:03

a white woman? A fog Be

8:06

a black man, that kind of thing. So

8:08

google when. You. Say

8:10

guard rails. I gave it some tuning.

8:12

At but have four sons him I tunes

8:15

a little too hard cause that but a

8:17

we also don't know what. And

8:20

woke This Titan is the prompts.

8:24

And. Dumb. And

8:27

we don't really know any way Google

8:29

took Gemini down. They.

8:31

Responded quickly. A

8:34

very sensitive to this accusation of being

8:36

woke. Is. There a

8:38

problem Jess. On

8:41

is not a problem you think it

8:43

is. I think that the problem here.

8:46

Is that? Just

8:49

as social media is putting device take

8:51

down all the bad stuff name as

8:53

my best of you took down the

8:55

same thing is though happy with a

8:58

i'm in the real problem I think

9:00

is this expectation that guard rails can

9:02

and should be put in such that

9:04

the model maker can make sure that

9:06

nothing bad ever happens so that's why

9:08

they do this. He said we show

9:10

too many white people so it to

9:12

and it and then it didn't show

9:14

white people and then far right by

9:17

people got pissed off and we're expecting.

9:19

The the technologists to solve society's

9:21

problems. Where are you know it

9:24

is is racist because we're racist

9:26

society. If you try to adjust

9:28

that then that. Pisses. People

9:31

off and also you produce breakfast have

9:33

any relation to reality. It won't. And.

9:35

Never has minutes ago had her

9:38

as into that that's the keep,

9:40

his the expectation that there's. Must

9:42

be some one to one reflection

9:44

of reality. It's and the Ass

9:47

or a T send that. That

9:50

this is making some sort of

9:53

statement this isn't I think as

9:55

you rightly said earlier, we should

9:57

be anthropomorphizes. Lists: These are output.

10:00

Being generated based on prompts yes,

10:02

but also based on a number

10:04

of inputs that we're not necessarily

10:06

saying. It's similar to what we

10:08

talked about in week's episode. The

10:10

reason why trance we do was

10:13

doing all that shit breasts wasn't

10:15

because there was some pro jew

10:17

British. a specific consent. And with

10:19

an eye open a eyes pushing for

10:21

that. It's because something's got messed up

10:23

and that's fine. You know stuff happens.

10:25

It's a program. Should. Do a

10:28

grilled chicken dumpers. To.

10:30

Fixes. I mean.

10:32

I think maybe the argument would be

10:34

they probably should have tested these are

10:36

the things more before. Sitting at the have

10:38

one hundred that's what is. I don't blame Seattle

10:40

thing necessarily. you should have taken it down. I

10:43

think I'm like yeah we're working on it. Enjoy

10:46

your strange pictures as in a

10:48

Native American Nazis while you can

10:50

get them. So Ross

10:52

Douthat from New York Times as we

10:54

see you want a odd because they're

10:56

gonna make it a little annoyed already.

10:58

More Premise: Of. The New

11:00

York Post had a shit about have been anti white.

11:04

Is it also says that possesses the

11:06

but ai is what it says about

11:08

us. What? Are what

11:11

are fears are what are fights are one

11:13

Or biases are how we use the stars

11:15

in room. It reflects more about society than

11:17

says but itself or even by provides a

11:20

church. He did He says a quite well

11:22

The woke I asked to this earth in

11:24

a I can be woken says the whoop.

11:26

this of in a eyes reflection of the

11:29

intentions essex his eyes of the people Create,

11:31

train and manage. It is about the application

11:33

of the technology in ways that are sensitive

11:35

to and supportive of social justice causes. However,

11:38

It's crushed. Remember the they eyes Understanding

11:40

of social issues is ultimately. Well.

11:43

How it's funny that this a i

11:45

says it understands any think as a

11:47

dozen others parody as another effort us

11:49

saw stop right there ah I ask

11:51

what walkers we'll dario city I also

11:53

was gonna ask it is google was

11:56

work but yeah it actually defines would

11:58

miss earlier on in the response. There

12:00

are more gradually comes from African

12:02

American vernacular English or they receive

12:04

those the hammers and awareness of

12:06

social injustices, particularly around race and

12:08

inequality. So I understand why people

12:10

are so upset about being walked

12:13

over time. It's usage has expanded

12:15

to encompass a broader awareness of

12:17

social issues that you wouldn't want.

12:19

that, gender equality, Lbg, Tq Plus

12:21

Rights and more. What a Terrible

12:23

Ideas when applied. Artificial intelligence to

12:25

term takes on a metaphorical meaning.

12:28

An. Ai in itself does not have consciousness.

12:30

Emotions are personal. Blaze it can't be woken

12:33

the way a human can order. It feels

12:35

like a Human Rights As A.does says it

12:37

doesn't possess self awareness of the ability to

12:39

independently develop a moral or ethical stance. However,

12:42

Ai systems can be design and program by

12:44

the developers to recognize analyze the respond a

12:46

Social injustices in money amount of smoke at

12:49

a I documents I don't know you know

12:51

this is by the way. I.

12:54

Don't. I'm not of the

12:56

opinion that it's. That. A eyes

12:58

sense since, and for her, it's or

13:00

read, some sort of amazing emergent property.

13:04

But. It as a team will blinds job of

13:06

doing this. I have to say I'm for

13:08

it's a disease the prayers he saw that

13:10

he was gonna be backing down but of

13:12

yeah none on earth to take back to

13:14

triumphal. As I

13:16

would likely lead over after all this time To the

13:19

say that you don't think that ai. Is that

13:21

some. Money

13:23

there are no not yet not

13:25

all evil know when it's emerged

13:27

and because it'll it'll come over

13:29

and say eyes but assists themselves

13:32

then. Ah but it's miss My

13:34

always been my point. It's

13:38

really it's the same point I would

13:40

raise here, which is. If

13:43

you're thinking about it wrong, your

13:45

whole that wrong, it's it's it's

13:48

just a couple a few progress

13:50

vertices, really really interesting results. I

13:52

mean, They're. Ignoring the fact that

13:54

the other black but they made

13:56

pictures of Pope's and sees that

13:58

looked pretty darned. Good. Ah,

14:01

It's amazing what it stood. By the way,

14:03

Wouldn't we want to tell from first to

14:05

be run by women and Native Americans? Wouldn't

14:08

we have wanted a black man of helping

14:10

to break the come Here and layering a

14:12

whole bunch of human stuff. Like.

14:14

Values, Morals, Ethics on top of

14:16

something is just a computer program.

14:18

When I know. Kind of.

14:20

Always wanted to say all long is.

14:23

You. When used appropriately. These.

14:26

Things are mind bogglingly useful and

14:29

I could see more more uses

14:31

for them and and. I.

14:33

Don't know if they're gonna wake up

14:35

and say hey Paris, I don't think

14:38

that's gonna happen. Or. Maybe it will,

14:40

but. That's. Not what I'm

14:42

talking about. I'm thinking what's

14:44

most interesting is there. It's

14:46

absolute today utility for so

14:48

many things. I am a.

14:51

He. I use my list: A I.

14:53

Multiple. Times a day now as I'm

14:56

as I'm doing these a coating. Problems.

14:58

I just it's in. it's Very. It's intensely

15:01

useful. It's the if you're giving it, if

15:03

you give it. Documentation.

15:05

Of some kind and say to stick to

15:07

this. It. Is amazing.

15:09

It's very very helpful in a

15:11

very very useful and I think

15:13

we should just accept as that.

15:16

And. So what if it generates pictures of

15:18

the founding fathers as African American sites?

15:20

Obviously that's right, seventy percent creativity doesn't

15:22

know it when I tell you the

15:24

historic question. it's by Encyclopedia Britannica and

15:26

if you think about easy but I

15:28

know going to think about it has

15:30

a tool than you can see. Photo

15:32

shop as his photo shop awaits won't

15:34

know it's I just a tool to.

15:37

I'm. And look at these pictures. They're beautiful.

15:39

As good as a great job on. I

15:41

have no problem with these images so I

15:43

see Google overreacted. Yeah.

15:46

I think there's third services. Did you see

15:48

the Julia England as Nelson who does is

15:50

astronomical. The Zeit about the proof yes oh

15:52

well I'm be rally about it because what

15:54

she did today was shit. The we as

15:56

such a pretty all bunch of question was

15:58

elections are that a. The Bronx We

16:01

know that that's national news is

16:03

you're not supposed to be. Yeah

16:05

right he was ever a Service

16:07

is the big protein in general

16:09

or is people are to ascribing

16:11

all these capabilities. Do it. They're.

16:13

Acting as if it's a human. That's

16:16

not an authentic come up to you and say

16:18

hi to them. That's. So,

16:21

but I submit. Okay, so yes, so I hadn't

16:23

read that. Yeah, but the person is that or

16:25

she's a former. Editor

16:27

at the Propublica. See.

16:31

Sit on the Market. Founder Mark

16:34

Average Journal now Just went live

16:36

recently and I liked her manifesto.

16:38

I'll miss if I could find

16:41

this. At some

16:43

point here it is a letter from our founder.

16:45

I thought this is pretty good. Welcome.

16:47

To prove news proof is meant to

16:50

be an answer to existential question journalists

16:52

are struggling with right now. What is

16:54

our purpose? Omagh. Bomb! And

16:56

so she talks about. The.

16:59

Roles Of the traditional roles of the Journalists

17:01

I'd love to hear what you think about

17:03

this Jeff I I guess you have a

17:05

read. This year is intrinsically we have had

17:07

multiple roles. Primary among them are: Witness. Storyteller.

17:11

And analyst. With.

17:13

Our press passes were able to witness events

17:16

the public cannot with our sources were able

17:18

to tell stories paris that would otherwise be

17:20

told. And with experience and

17:22

persistence were able to distill and demystify

17:25

complex and opaque systems These days. however,

17:27

there's no shortage of witnesses obviously a

17:29

race get cell phone and storytellers or

17:32

news feeds are bursting with people providing

17:34

first hand accounts of events large and

17:36

small. Until mysteries of Their Lives It's

17:39

been a flowering of voices and stories,

17:41

many of which were not previously spotlighted

17:43

by the media. Rights.

17:46

She. Said journalist who said role to play

17:48

as witnesses and storytellers but I have I

17:50

believe in this. I agree with our presents

17:53

we haven't even more important role to play

17:55

as analysts. Cs. What I think

17:57

we do we don't do the witnessing or

17:59

the story. The A Little Storytelling. But.

18:01

Mostly as as analysts awash in

18:03

information, she says people need help

18:05

making sense of all this witness

18:07

and storytelling are the stories in?

18:09

There is fees actually representative of

18:11

what's happening the world? Are they

18:13

outliers being blown out of proportion?

18:16

They often Iran analysis is particularly important.

18:18

Today's world power so often Plimpton opaque

18:21

and complex systems that require hard work

18:23

to on unraveled. Now I agree a

18:25

right up there, I think I'm sick

18:28

and right on. The next step is

18:30

she says we're going to do with

18:32

this with scientific. The. Scientific

18:34

Method. For. Is

18:37

your Fi party? say yes at proof

18:39

We don't say stories. With as a

18:41

lot hypotheses and test them we build

18:44

software to collect data it's and you

18:46

statistics analyze that we borrow from the

18:48

science the ideas purists you asking

18:50

experts to examine our worked for publishing

18:53

the really started it of the public's

18:55

that I can contribute further research out.

18:58

Just. What do you think about the So I

19:00

think the first store as if the i think

19:02

I'm actually have to I wore my students was

19:04

dealing with signs of another for journalism. I I

19:06

like that idea but I did. Their first story

19:09

gives it gives it'll I am seeking reliable information

19:11

don't trust. I. Will. The hypothesis

19:13

here is than that you should and

19:15

we're going to prove you shouldn't but

19:17

everybody already knows you shouldn't Sorts of

19:19

is setting up a i'm. A.

19:22

Strawman. A highly nothing

19:24

to prevent that they do this. Interesting because

19:26

they do like a city with paper. they

19:28

have their methodology. They have an abstract. Ah

19:31

I mean it's and they have their

19:33

data surrogate is is data driven journalism

19:35

that's not know anybody is there there

19:37

because again. Roughly. Half of models

19:39

answers were inaccurate A We know that we

19:42

if you're if you eat or this this

19:44

is misleading. Microsoft. Misleads by

19:46

associates as if he to search for the

19:48

one that's the fault. but this misleads in

19:50

my view because it's it's acts as if

19:52

people as if we should presume with that

19:54

it's going to be accurate. and we

19:56

already know it's not those other things i would love for

19:58

them to test i would love them to test

20:01

how good it actually is

20:03

in a limited corpus or

20:05

corpora with summary or translation

20:08

or other things or

20:10

analysis. But

20:12

this sets up the straw

20:14

man of saying we're gonna set

20:17

up the idea that that people should use it

20:19

and then we're gonna prove they shouldn't. That's

20:21

not useful. I guess to play devil's

20:24

advocate, I'm guessing that part

20:26

of the reason if you're taking the

20:28

scientific method approach to stuff like this

20:30

is yes it's kind of

20:33

a obvious answer

20:35

that we shouldn't trust AI and

20:38

these chatbots for pertinent

20:41

election information. But

20:44

I suppose what they're doing is

20:46

quantifying that, proving something that we

20:49

all know generally to be true but

20:51

through rigorous testing. And I guess that

20:53

isn't bad. Well as a research paper,

20:55

I would be fine with that.

20:59

And if it said we know it's wrong, let's

21:01

just see how often it's wrong, I'd be

21:04

okay with that. The presentation here

21:06

is you shouldn't use it because it's

21:08

bad. I looked up

21:10

this, I have this in my next book and

21:13

I respect Julia. She's a really good journalist but

21:17

most recently she wrote a not bad The New York

21:19

Times trying to get rid of section 230. You know

21:21

that puts my dander up. But

21:24

I went back, as I quoted this in my book,

21:27

to when the Wall Street Journal did its original

21:29

what they know demonizing cookies.

21:32

And the language is all moral

21:34

panicking. The largest US websites are

21:37

installing new and intrusive consumer tracking

21:39

technologies. On the computers of people

21:41

visiting their sites, in some cases

21:43

more than a hundred tracking tools

21:46

at a time, a Wall Street

21:48

Journal investigation has found. Right,

21:50

so that's still the ethos of this

21:52

is we're gonna be the heroes finding

21:54

something terrible about the technology. Yeah,

21:57

there's terrible things to find about the technology. I Won't argue

21:59

with that. But but this sets up

22:01

the whole thing. a scientific method come up

22:03

with a pipe offices and meaningful and then

22:06

tested for the first story. didn't do that

22:08

as by disappointment. Occur.

22:11

At the exit out against fair. I

22:14

also think that yeah maybe you you

22:16

might think that that's kind of the

22:18

obvious conclusion that they came to. Or

22:20

but will they do have a footnote

22:22

in yeah, we didn't need all at

22:24

risk as it is said, how about

22:26

how much will tear them in? They

22:28

have experts rated and really save us?

22:31

Yeah I mean I I agree was

22:33

kind of a trivial first attempt. I

22:35

hope to see better. It was sensationalism.

22:38

That would be bad. I wouldn't wanna see

22:40

that. Ah no I hope that. yeah. This

22:43

is an opportunity really to lose money at at

22:45

scale. And. If you gonna

22:47

do if you really want to do it

22:49

right you shouldn't he should no way panders.

22:52

The other thing about this is that is

22:54

that when I'm coming to see is that.

22:57

You. Should trust the model itself with

22:59

nothing. When. You have the

23:01

model than work with a

23:04

finite, fenced off corpus or

23:06

corporate. Than the.

23:09

That. We know seems to be more

23:11

reliable but I don't know how reliable.

23:13

I spent an hour on the phone

23:15

yesterday with can doctor was well known

23:17

and most of newspapers he started lookout

23:20

Santa Cruz. And we we brainstormed

23:22

for an hour of what a I could

23:24

do for local journalists. Over yonder

23:26

with the tools. Reliable or not. Yeah,

23:29

Yeah. I me I sound my tool

23:31

to be very reliable. I. Gave

23:34

it a bunch of about that ten

23:36

or fifteen a. Classic.

23:38

Works in their lists programming language.

23:40

I also instructed not to. Answer

23:42

anything that is in in those works

23:45

which by the way sometimes slows it

23:47

down. I actually you could see his

23:49

kind of scanning. It's dated to find

23:51

the answer but every single time it

23:53

gives me now only at correct answer

23:55

but working code every single time so

23:57

I think it can be made. Rely

23:59

the herbal. I.

24:02

Think isn't as important as seat Think of.

24:04

This is another kind of computer tool. You.

24:07

Don't assume that Wikipedia as reliable

24:09

as much more reliable than of

24:11

chatty pity but. You

24:13

know it's just another tool. As it, it's a tool in

24:15

your arsenal. Probably. Good to have

24:18

some sort of quantification of how much to

24:20

trust it. I don't think that's a bad

24:22

thing. So. In my

24:24

my using over a I say I was doing

24:26

a little better writing and what I would I

24:28

noticed from hey I was that it's really good

24:30

at kissing your ass by to their this is

24:32

an interesting turn on your So's own and around

24:35

as really great Know I think a long as

24:37

it is over to tell you what you want

24:39

to hear. I think a lot of this is

24:41

us learning what to do with a i had

24:43

a use it where it is is appropriate where

24:45

it's not appropriate So in that regard. In

24:49

approved is saying well just don't get your

24:51

collection facts from it is that. Is.

24:53

Not an unusual things say. That's.

24:56

Not a good use. We're still trying to figure out what

24:58

is a good use. It.

25:00

Was it that way this is written? It's

25:02

in fact none of the Five Easy. It

25:04

is not be tested.a little you know. A

25:07

Here's the problem with it and scientific terms.

25:09

You. Don't come up with a hypothesis. Yardy

25:11

Know is probably wrong. You don't come

25:14

up with a hypothesis right that nobody's

25:16

really asking us as a base hits.

25:18

You don't come up with something just

25:20

so you could shoot down. And I

25:22

guess that's why you're saying and sensationalistic

25:24

is it? My Frodo. Dave.

25:26

Juri just put up a tweet soup two

25:29

minutes ago. Proof news achieved as one and

25:31

only goal with this article which was to

25:33

get people to talk about prisoner worth. A

25:35

Yeah, it's sunny. I think it's worth

25:38

noting that this is a launch as

25:40

round in Alsace. Course, it's going to

25:42

be a bit sensationalized. They're going to

25:45

be hyping themselves up. On

25:47

any given time. I.

25:50

Like the idea and I. and

25:53

i think that the the premises sensible and

25:55

we do need better analysis although this isn't

25:57

the first timer that's kind of what nate

25:59

silver to do. It's all this

26:01

data-driven stuff, right? When

26:04

she was a pro publica, she kind of did, I

26:07

would say, somewhat sensationalistic things too. At

26:09

the journal, she learned those skills, right?

26:11

That's the booking space. Boy,

26:13

you know, this is hard. This is a

26:15

hard thing for everybody,

26:17

especially if you're kind of on your

26:20

own or a freelancer, you're trying to

26:22

build your name. You've

26:24

got to do some promotional stuff.

26:28

I'm terrible at it, which is, I mean, I'm

26:30

really terrible at it. So I'm

26:32

kind of with you, Jeff. I

26:34

think that that's a sign of a mark

26:36

of somehow intellectual

26:40

lightness in the loafers. But, you

26:44

know, I mean, if I were Paris, I'd

26:46

absolutely be looking for stories that would make

26:48

my name, right? It's

26:51

a good thing to do. You've got to do.

26:53

Yeah. Especially, yeah, and I'm not launching a whole

26:55

new media outlet the worst

26:57

time in journalism possible, so I assume

26:59

the pressure has to be on, if

27:02

you're doing that. It's a fine, it's a

27:04

balance, right? It's a fine balance. You have

27:06

to do a certain amount of, you know,

27:08

I just said the first article could have

27:10

been a better exemplar of what

27:12

they were trying to do. You could be Kara Swisher

27:15

or you could be me, somewhere

27:17

in the middle. I

27:19

think that might be other options.

27:22

Somewhere in the middle of that

27:24

there. Jeff, where do you fall

27:26

on the Kara Swisher to Leo scale?

27:29

I'm team Leo, all the way team Leo.

27:31

I hide my light under a bushel. I

27:34

think, anyway, I hate marketing. I hate,

27:36

Lisa has to force me to, you know, promote

27:40

in any way. I hate it. You're

27:43

not a braggadocio guy. I feel like that

27:45

you should just find us. We

27:48

shouldn't have to tell you we exist.

27:51

You should find us. It's

27:54

kind of like a big game of hide and

27:56

seek. Speaking

27:58

of AI... No, I came

28:01

across. I put the link to this

28:03

in the chat I came across this

28:05

week's just as photo of a man

28:08

smoking at a Mcdonald's. On square Saw

28:10

the didn't really think much of that. Ah,

28:13

Everybody take a look at this. Does anything seem

28:15

wrong to but it seems. Normal his there

28:17

are more or like he's not

28:19

worrying was we're We're assured that

28:21

apparently look or you've got fleas

28:23

us but there's no and ah

28:25

sir a look at the faces

28:27

of the people behind him. look

28:29

the words on the Coca Cola

28:31

Cop or the Mcdonalds look it's

28:33

it's A I generally an honorary

28:35

on.own hands. On

28:37

an airbag. he's got two hamburgers. one of

28:39

his hands and one of the he's also

28:42

smuggled is limited I would on the tape

28:44

you haven't been able to do him sixty

28:46

years for those are just on how Mcdonalds

28:48

is designed either. The. And over

28:51

Donald was like that. I don't believe me I know

28:53

but on a surreal figured out some of the shop

28:55

right. The sign of the top right to says the

28:57

same with all the answers. Modigliani it's but I think

28:59

yeah the best. What is the fact that he's got

29:01

says here showing through is. T Shirts:

29:03

He's wearing a shirt with sleeve, but there's

29:06

no certain difference. Is it possible the sleeve

29:08

Her? As I'm just saying to spit balling

29:10

here. He actually has a denim vest the

29:13

has T shirt sleeves sewn into it. It.

29:16

Also says that also look at

29:19

his hips as the shirt tucked.

29:21

Common out through their i guess you could have it

29:23

but it would have to be like of Zest likes.

29:25

Her own you know is that of that are to

29:27

set so he's got the damn bit of when mrs

29:30

with t shirt sleeves and on am at eight hours

29:32

a one piece that would be another way is a

29:34

one. or he got a blue dogs with same us

29:36

with. A really good thing, which is

29:38

maybe it's a very. Low cut. Sure

29:40

these assets are anonymous. Why did and why

29:43

did you excess of this sort of of

29:45

money to make wine? I so. I'd

29:47

a sudden gotten got by a

29:49

I I think before ever. I

29:51

don't know, I don't. Know really the

29:53

deal with this proposed as a real.

29:56

Are. We finally put us on this

29:58

covered over there. The only

30:00

one I mean here you can buy this answer

30:02

at Are there any that with them with the

30:04

chest hair spill? Yeah.

30:07

That's not just came across. My

30:09

for you see the couple times and all

30:11

that. why is this being sown to me

30:13

I guess I like late seventies and eighties

30:15

interior to answer for some reason they must

30:17

think I like like does this random photo

30:19

of a guy in and Mcdonalds but then

30:21

I came across again yesterday something like oh

30:23

this is so clearly a i generated luck

30:25

out with has been doc. This

30:28

is from granddaddy Jess. not notice is

30:30

waived left or right on him versus

30:32

but it's a lesson know com and

30:35

says a male specimen and Mcdonalds and

30:37

Nineteen Eighty Nine where we we There's

30:39

also there's a strong to resolve of

30:41

the french fries a success of. Us

30:46

who got. So.

30:50

You thought that lower was the

30:52

reaction was a a good looking

30:54

my wires are being sold my

30:56

see the ice continued to move

30:58

on I was like alright cool

31:00

air via we continue on but

31:02

now ah than a Came across

31:05

yesterday with somebody who's twitter name

31:07

I can't say because it's. Bedtime.

31:10

That bins as I guess you could says

31:12

saying they're all a I. I can't believe

31:14

that this is what the inner is gonna

31:16

be like. A while I'll just be like

31:18

shrug of motifs. I guess things are permanently

31:20

worse and we just have to move on.

31:22

Such a bummer. I like internet

31:24

was created and roots in my

31:27

left eye which is obviously overly

31:29

dramatic but that wasn't up like

31:31

this Response: Roger, that's me and

31:34

the gonna, That's me in the

31:36

mic The observed i'm losing my

31:38

religion is a. Million

31:41

Man Alien would have a

31:43

hammer that guy while. There.

31:45

Among us, they live among us.

31:48

To. Do. Actually

31:51

I thought you were going to ask

31:53

is this was an appropriate use of

31:55

ai corner the by now pay later

31:58

swedish. Company. Says

32:00

is now using an Ai assistant.

32:02

To. Do the work of seven hundred people. Which.

32:06

It just laid off. And.

32:08

Twenty Twenty Two: they're using a

32:10

Open A. I nice yes that's

32:12

when was nice to their either

32:14

using Open A I'd it says

32:17

they already handle it already Hills

32:19

two thirds of all customer service

32:21

chats some two point three million

32:23

stomper season so far with the

32:25

virtual assistant earning customer satisfaction rates

32:27

at the same level as human

32:29

ages. I have to say I

32:31

think every time I'm on a

32:33

chat. A. I hate these customer

32:35

chats but I always think it's has a

32:38

i never think it's a real person. right?

32:41

Yeah, I hate when of rhyme in one

32:43

of the south and I can tell us

32:45

in hell is there only thirty? I'm like

32:47

the reason I'm going as because I had.

32:49

there's some complications that is not going to.

32:52

Work. For me discussing this.

32:54

At the machines to do need a human. Well.

32:58

Corner says it's getting at the

33:00

same satisfaction ratings. Yeah, yeah, how

33:02

do they know where there is

33:05

no like like Air Canada. My.

33:09

It's ironic. I do think it's interesting though.

33:11

I mean, Not that many

33:13

people a thing go through the

33:15

satisfaction ratings in less. They.

33:17

Added okay as time. That.

33:20

I'm not gonna sit around. I give my. Ray

33:22

I never did I or if he had identified

33:24

the editors. I mean we also don't know. I'd

33:27

like that culture is like in Sweden. Maybe they're

33:29

just like better at. Their

33:31

a either better serve and meters high. Sponsors

33:34

will not like training or whatever which we

33:36

don't know what it's like and Sweden I

33:38

think they're using said to be to Eight

33:40

Italia. That

33:42

the funniest thing is. Corner.

33:45

just kind of they say it was

33:47

is coincidental that we said it would

33:49

replace seven hundred people and we laid

33:51

off seven hundred people two years ago

33:53

of secrets of their this is in

33:55

no way connected to the workforce reductions

33:57

in may twenty twenty two and make

33:59

in mexico would be incorrect

34:01

the statement read we

34:03

chose to share the figure 700 to indicate

34:05

the more long-term consequences of

34:08

AI technology but it has nothing

34:10

to do with the 700 people we just laid

34:12

off that's very strange.

34:14

People really did get rid of people in the

34:17

AI department because of this. Sure. Sure.

34:23

Yeah.

34:25

Anyway that's our AI segment we didn't really

34:27

know. No, no, no, may I may

34:29

I? I don't want to start a democracy.

34:32

May I? Hey there's

34:34

a good name for an AI show. Okay,

34:36

we'll stop. May I. Go

34:39

ahead. May I. The

34:41

New York Times open AI, the open AI's answer

34:43

to the New York Times I think is great

34:47

reading. So this is the New York

34:49

Times lawsuit that

34:52

you know said well you could basically

34:54

read articles from the New York Times

34:56

in chat GPT open AI

34:58

says well they basically hacked chat

35:01

GPT with deceptive prompts that

35:04

blatantly violate a bad verb choice.

35:06

Yeah. I put

35:09

the quotes up in my Twitter feed for this

35:11

I put a little the juicy quotes up. The

35:14

75. So this is Jeff. They

35:22

slapped it to the

35:26

New York Times. It's the Times complaint. It's tens

35:28

of thousands of attempts they said. They had to

35:30

feed the tool portions of the very articles. Oh

35:33

yes, but we saw this. They actually gave

35:35

it clips that said here's the first two

35:38

paragraphs of the article. What would the third

35:40

paragraph be? Things like that.

35:42

Normal people do not use open AI this

35:44

way. But I said that. Right.

35:47

It was it was clearly that

35:49

they see your unprivileged. I

35:52

am because AI is gonna be our

35:54

masters soon and you better get

35:56

on the team or you're the

35:58

first on the spaceship. to Jupiter,

36:00

the allegations

36:03

of the Times complaint do not meet

36:06

the famously rigorous journalistic standards. I

36:08

just love that. The New York Times. The

36:12

truth which will come out in the course of this case

36:14

is that the Times paid someone to hack a company. Hack

36:19

is a wrong word. But they massage. I

36:21

love this too. I love this too. The

36:24

issue, quote, whether it is

36:26

fair use under copyright law to

36:28

use publicly accessible content to train

36:30

generative AI models to learn about

36:32

language, grammar and syntax and to

36:34

understand the facts that constitute human's

36:37

collective knowledge. That is the

36:39

issue. They're right. And

36:42

the rest is distraction. Okay.

36:48

I just wanted to do

36:50

that. Thank

36:53

you. Tyler Perry says he's

36:55

halting. He saw

36:58

Sora, right? The new

37:00

video generating tool. And

37:03

he said that's it. I'm not building a new studio. I

37:05

don't need it. It's very expensive to do studio. Yeah. 800

37:07

million dollars studio expansion. I feel like this is just an

37:09

excuse. I

37:12

feel like this is like

37:15

all of the tech companies doing

37:17

layoffs a year or so ago

37:19

when everybody else was doing them while

37:21

they were making record profits. It's just an excuse

37:23

to be able to cut back on

37:26

costs and do things you probably already want.

37:29

I feel like everybody in the industry is running 100

37:31

miles an hour to try to catch up

37:33

to try and put in guardrails. He

37:37

was, you know, of course, Perry very famously has

37:39

built this amazing studio in Atlanta where he does

37:41

his movies. He was going to

37:43

add 12 sound stages to the 330 acre property. Jeez.

37:49

He said, you know, he

37:52

said being told it can do all these things

37:54

is one thing, but actually seeing the capabilities, it

37:57

was mind blowing. noting

38:00

that his productions might not have to travel locations

38:02

or build sets with the

38:05

assistance of the technology.

38:09

I think that might be premature because Sora

38:11

is doing like short clips. They're

38:14

very much like that McDonald's man. There's

38:17

little things wrong with him that if you look closely,

38:19

we talked about this last week, it's

38:21

obvious. This is true about all

38:23

AI actually. Like anybody who's an actual expert

38:26

at something will always see what's wrong with

38:28

what the AI put out. Well he's an

38:30

expert in motion pictures. I

38:32

don't know. Well I think you're right

38:34

when it comes to putting out a

38:37

mainstream motion picture but if you're

38:39

the next version of a

38:42

blogger can turn and

38:44

a TikToker can turn out

38:46

pretty amazing little shows. Yeah this

38:49

is the Sora trailer. So

38:52

all of this was generated by an open

38:55

AI and I

38:57

think I think what he's thinking

38:59

is you know in a year or

39:01

two this is gonna come to the point where I

39:03

you know by the time I get these sets online

39:06

I may not need them and I don't I don't

39:08

think he's wrong but he's also saying it's good cost

39:10

jobs. He's a major

39:12

employer in Atlanta. These

39:15

are pretty good. I mean I have to say.

39:18

Paris we're doomed. He's gonna he's gonna use this

39:20

to just put two fake people. I gotta point

39:22

this out. I think this makes real human content,

39:24

real humans,

39:30

more valuable not less. People

39:33

will value people will understand the difference.

39:35

It's subtle but they'll understand it and

39:38

it will make us be the luxury product.

39:41

I hope everybody, I hope every podcast in

39:43

the world starts using Sora to make their

39:46

podcasts and we don't because I

39:48

think that makes us more valuable. I

39:50

really do believe there's something that humans

39:52

do that is not reproducible. So

39:56

go ahead use all this stuff if you want. The

40:00

Fortune on. Speaking of all this,

40:02

have you? There's been following the

40:04

Wonka Wonderland controversy know, but I

40:06

love movie Timothy Chevrolet as Willie

40:08

Wonka. What? A marvelous film.

40:12

So. On. Saturday.

40:14

There was a over

40:17

the weekend a Glasgow

40:19

based. Willie Wonka! It's

40:21

have club. Will

40:25

sauteed they are, you

40:27

know, promoted. This is this

40:29

magical trust that wonderland. They use

40:31

a I to generate these really

40:33

cool images of Feed a Yunel

40:35

Selassie. See the invites and and

40:38

people get there and it it

40:40

is a. And see where the

40:42

how the popular among our fathers

40:44

had as things you've ever seen

40:47

as Bagley one wonders for the

40:49

photo albums range of balloon for

40:51

woman who hans my nightmares. Are

40:54

very see I'm actually showing you the actual

40:56

thing but I see so you the ad.

40:59

First. Because the ad really made it looks.

41:02

Wonderful! Ah, and

41:04

the reality was. Very.

41:06

Far as the fire festival come to

41:09

where will he was he opposes in

41:11

Glasgow people call the police. Families

41:14

and travel all the way from faraway

41:17

to go to this. Do. What

41:19

is it was the assembly of the three eggs

41:21

were doing. All we got was a couple a

41:23

jelly beans. They

41:27

were very upset. Let me see

41:29

make a fine some of the

41:31

events. This is what song Glasco,

41:33

Willie Wonka The Chocolate Factory Experience

41:35

of a generated these. Clearly they

41:37

generate these are they I write

41:39

these ads which you to tell

41:41

us of that. They not have

41:43

generated the A the ads as

41:45

a eyes. They then hired actors

41:47

and gave them scripts generated with

41:50

say I. Was on a rookie

41:52

different? Honestly, right now he was

41:54

head of what they said. Ah,

41:58

Up. Parenthetical. Or. Members

42:00

engage the interactive flowers offering compliments

42:02

to which The Sours response with

42:05

pre. Recorded whimsical thank yous

42:07

Wonky Doodle One to a

42:09

guess. Oh, and. If you see

42:11

a butterfly whispers sweetest stream to

42:13

it's their official secrets, keepers and

42:15

dream carriers of the got. I

42:17

can keep this up William accountable,

42:19

gathering everyone's attention Now I must

42:21

ask, Has anyone seen the elusive

42:23

bubble Blue? It's a rare flower

42:25

that blooms just once every blue

42:27

moon and fills the air with

42:29

shimmering bubbles. It makes no

42:32

sense to me. Oh, is this

42:34

really are times. When. Father

42:36

stored Sinclair drove two hours from Dundee

42:38

to take his three children of event.

42:41

There are maybe twenty chairs, a couple

42:43

of tables, and a half inflated bouncy

42:45

castle. He said he paid thirty five

42:48

pounds, forty four dollars per ticket for

42:50

his two sons ten and eleven and

42:52

his daughter for who's Dress all the

42:55

summer break my heart know was dressed

42:57

in and wonka costume and it's older

42:59

preschool teachers How excited he was to

43:02

go to the events. But. Sheltered

43:04

got to jelly beans each and

43:06

then they got half a couple

43:08

lemonade. As

43:11

it's which makes eliminate really solve our

43:13

existence lane And thus as soon as

43:16

they walked in the door Mr. Sinclair

43:18

said they were like wow, seeking their

43:20

heads and totally in disbelief of how

43:23

bad it is. They had booked time

43:25

slots any the venue every fifteen minutes.

43:28

And were greeted by rows of and unadorned

43:30

tables and was of black fabric. It's

43:34

like the fire Festival of Willie

43:37

Wonka land up a this is

43:39

literally over with your kids were

43:41

little did you take your those

43:44

lights of ah Arthur's States. Famous.

43:47

Oh me on my Disney on Ice. Or

43:49

yeah, that they would. Yeah, But as off?

43:51

yeah. But. Elisa had more. Asked

43:54

us to check. Out. This one

43:56

video I posted they had some of the

43:59

strangest costumes there. Also because because it

44:01

is gathered whatever they good one of which

44:03

was just a man's s spook or I

44:05

guess a person in a spooky black mask

44:07

that just popped out from behind a mere

44:10

to scare children. Know

44:13

don't scared children, it's really want

44:15

the was a name generated by

44:17

the I was the unknown, her

44:19

ears, the man jumping out from

44:21

behind the. Oh

44:24

entirely. Dressed in black with

44:27

a strange metallic mask to

44:29

his frames fans. Like Earth

44:31

or or head just certain specific

44:33

want a at some crappy theater

44:35

group there who reduce their turn

44:37

around money and they they may

44:40

be bit off more than a

44:42

disservice. An update to the story

44:44

actually there is a good. The.

44:47

Hack The hacks. Huckster. By.

44:50

Willie Wonka Van also sells ai

44:52

written by saying. Oh

44:54

you're or maybe these or as

44:56

to avoid Canada. Well.

45:03

As. Good times going on in Glasgow

45:05

that so I can say. I.

45:07

Saw it was maybe like don't blame

45:10

the ai ah ad says you know

45:12

I pose me like a little theatre

45:14

company tries that you know tried to

45:16

in the best they can. Have

45:18

you been Paris to one of those haunted

45:20

houses the high schools put on things like

45:22

that? I love. It

45:26

also a better than that I was I

45:28

was part of a high school hot as

45:31

hell I'd I'd surprise went through the day

45:33

where did you do or you the ghost

45:35

as you to lose one is in a

45:37

oh no I didn't I should have done

45:39

the goes so goes to eligible against. The

45:45

So I was a room where

45:47

of that Blitzer conundrums. Lot. it

45:49

was though super illegal, it's

45:51

have been allowed to exist.

45:53

It was in a dilapidated

45:55

motel six. Shortly after the

45:57

haunted house closed was torn

45:59

down. Because it was not fit for

46:01

human as to see inside multiple times during

46:03

would we were doing on the house the

46:05

ceiling which is t then and room for

46:07

every be like all right we're not using

46:09

that one or more. Definitely

46:12

don't know why we were told that

46:14

hired you to do this or why

46:16

they're both says. I volunteer

46:19

as usual, raising money

46:21

for. Their mean same songs

46:23

around Barrows, Sicily, the routine size

46:26

of Rhode Island I'd rather way

46:28

to any adults it was mostly

46:30

just seems so. Ah,

46:34

I. Actually to. So we went to one up

46:36

in the. Santa. Rosa was done

46:38

by a high school and they had that. With.

46:41

Was it like an operating room and there's

46:43

blood everywhere? I was in like the operating

46:45

room only my life. I'll see if I

46:47

can find a for those things are so

46:50

scary. Are you

46:52

easily frightened player? While

46:55

that them over smiles she can't wait

46:57

to fazio do the thing I notice

47:00

of and online but everybody with me

47:02

and I think there is. It was

47:04

a bunch of teenage boys. I was

47:06

with Lisa son and I heard his

47:08

friends and ah and Lisa to and

47:10

they were canal behind me clutching his

47:12

backwards We walked through the thing it

47:15

was really fi I don't know I

47:17

mean I know it's high school kids.

47:19

You. Know fake blood and stuff and in. My.

47:22

Imagination but that good. But.

47:24

I think be wanted to be scared. Of

47:27

millions had interpreted part of it. Out

47:30

below I was being the brave daddy to. It's

47:33

okay turds, it's just

47:35

actors. You

47:38

really the magic widow? Says

47:42

it's just per as Martineau and

47:44

or whoop. Scary thing. He

47:47

did what you're eating. A soldier died.

47:51

Oh you the for for have no stats

47:53

and were you in dire now? is that

47:56

how you. Know. The

47:58

Cedar Kids. say i guess I'd say.

48:00

Theater kid. What did you play, Paris?

48:03

What were you in? I was in a production of Boeing

48:07

Boeing, a little

48:10

known air travel themed kind

48:12

of it's like a comedy

48:14

adores situation. It's not a

48:16

musical. It was a part.

48:19

But I was a German air hostess. Oh,

48:22

do the incense. I can't. It's

48:25

gone. It's fully gone from my head.

48:28

I literally can't even think of it enough to do it as a bit.

48:31

But if it comes to me, I

48:33

will bust it out at some point.

48:35

Tony Curtis and Jerry Lewis did a

48:37

Hal Wallace movie based on

48:39

Boeing Boeing in the big piece.

48:42

The basic plot is a man is

48:45

dating a bunch of different air hostesses

48:47

all at the same time because they

48:49

all have different travel schedules. So

48:51

they all think they're his like

48:53

fiance. I'm so done. Risk a

48:55

for high school. Well, I'm gonna

48:58

think Tony was. Yeah. She went to

49:00

some progressive high school of some kind. Here is

49:02

the progressive high schools we have

49:04

in Florida. I mean, what lady?

49:07

I know what you mean. Hey,

49:09

Jerry Lewis. Oh, he

49:11

was the worst. Oh, he's switching in a different

49:13

stewardess. I

49:16

think Tony Curtis must be the philandering guy. I sleep here.

49:18

You too. I think you do. Where?

49:25

In the back. Oh, this is

49:27

so unfunny. I'd rather see the

49:29

Paris Martineau version, please. I

49:31

know. Don't we all? Tony

49:34

Curtis has his hands full in

49:37

the romance department. He's got three

49:39

girlfriends, all stewardesses. It

49:44

actually is, I think, a take off

49:47

on a classic Alec Guinness movie. Do

49:49

you remember this one? Jerry? Jerry. Jeff.

49:53

I'm gonna think of you as

49:55

Jeff Lewis from now on. Jerry

49:57

Jarvis. We're It

50:00

was called the Captain's Paradise, I think. He's

50:03

a captain and he sails back and forth

50:05

and he has a different family

50:07

in each port. Anyway,

50:11

it's a wonderful movie. If you ever get a

50:16

chance to see it. You know why I'm aware of this? Last

50:19

time I saw Mom, she told me about,

50:21

she was great. She was telling me all

50:23

this stuff about her first date with my

50:25

father. She

50:27

says it was an Alec Guinness movie and I'm figuring

50:29

it's roughly 1954. I was

50:31

trying to figure out which Alec Guinness movie. This one came out in

50:33

1953. I think it might have been this. But

50:36

what's weird is I love Alec Guinness movies as

50:38

a kid. There

50:41

you go. The Horse's Mouth. The

50:43

Horse's Mouth, great movie. One of

50:45

the men who plays an artist. Yeah,

50:48

who lives in a houseboat. It's a

50:50

brilliant movie. Gully Jimson. Gully. He

50:54

was a great actor. I don't know how he got into this. The

50:56

Google co-founder Sergey Brin is being

50:59

sued over a

51:01

plane crash that killed two pilots last

51:03

year. The plane crashed

51:05

in the first leg of a ferry flight from

51:07

California to Fiji. Why

51:09

is Google and Sergey Brin facing

51:11

a wrongful death lawsuit from

51:14

one of the widows of

51:16

the pilots? It says there

51:19

was a poorly installed modification

51:21

on the plane

51:24

ferrying the $8 million. Oh,

51:26

it was Brin's

51:29

sea plane. Okay. He wasn't

51:31

in the plane. No. The

51:33

two pilots were contracted to bring his sea plane

51:35

from California to Fiji. An

51:37

$8 million twin engine Viking Air twin

51:39

otter series 400 that, that

51:42

spying it that far required an

51:44

auxiliary fuel system which

51:48

the mechanic, the complaint

51:50

alleges a mechanic installed from memory.

51:52

Oh, no. That's not what

51:54

you want. I think I'm filming a

51:56

checklist or logging in with the FAA.

51:58

The fuel system failed. and Pro

52:00

plane crashed into the ocean while trying

52:02

to return to California both

52:05

pilots perished I'm

52:08

not sure why Google is being

52:10

sued but I guess Google and

52:12

Sergey Brandon work oh they were co-owners

52:14

of the plane anyway

52:19

that was a weird one for you to pick up

52:21

all the one just came out it's just broke didn't

52:23

it somebody just put it in there no it didn't

52:25

all right it's been out for a while never mind

52:28

I just saw it in the discord and I said

52:30

oh oh I

52:33

thought maybe this is not to us

52:35

yeah I'd actually that's the truth let's

52:37

take a little break which

52:39

I should have done hours ago and we will

52:42

be back with more in just a moment you're

52:44

watching or listening to this we can

52:46

go with Jeff Jarvis Paris

52:49

Martin oh let's

52:51

go to Barcelona oh good

52:55

for the silliest concept stuff this

52:57

is Motorola's rollable phone

53:00

oh no

53:06

it's kind of nice they have a Salvador Dalek

53:08

melting clock on it just like yours Paris we

53:11

spent some time with the Lenovo produced device at

53:13

Mobile World Congress says tech crunch cartoonishly

53:16

exaggerated crocodile Dundee accent

53:19

that's not a foldable this is a

53:21

foldable a kind it's

53:23

a concept from Lenovo Motorola Nova showed a

53:25

lot of weird weird stuff

53:27

I guess I just like concept stuff I always

53:29

like just like concept cars I want to buy

53:31

it now make it or don't make it yeah

53:33

I agree to get you

53:35

all excited yeah it seems

53:38

to just wrap around your wrist

53:40

that well she's got I think she's got velcro on

53:43

her wrist and it's velcro on the back of the

53:45

screen yeah who wants

53:47

that nobody wants that that's gonna I

53:49

will I hit my wrist on things all the

53:51

time that phone will I

53:54

will accidentally send a text to everyone I

53:56

know it's probably more to show off the fact

53:58

they've got this technology to make this device

54:00

I'm not sure oh look

54:02

you have it like stand up on its own that's

54:05

pretty funny it's interesting I guess

54:08

like that fabric looks all gross on right it doesn't

54:10

yeah it looks like it's been handled a little too

54:13

much rollable

54:15

they call it has

54:18

multiple batteries but

54:20

they won't say how many all right

54:22

not excited how about Lenovo also showed a

54:25

transparent laptop this

54:28

is another one I don't really this is okay

54:30

that's pretty transparent you can see right now

54:35

why would you want that you can yeah

54:37

why I don't know augmented

54:41

reality applications yeah

54:45

you gotta wait wait

54:47

wait wait you gotta

54:49

carry the laptop around

54:51

develop them oh well

54:58

it feels like it's kind of the worst of all world

55:00

it's not a very good window and it's not a very

55:02

good screen you tried to do

55:04

you're trying to drive he's come up with something that

55:06

was advocate here yeah it you can

55:08

make it darker and then

55:13

oh great you can see your flowers

55:15

through your laptop screen well basically better

55:17

bird can come up to the flowers

55:19

all right yeah

55:21

I love it the comments on this

55:23

verge video say everyone's saying it's useless

55:26

no one's realizing that this is first-gen

55:28

tech it's only gonna get better with 4k but

55:30

yeah it's a pretty cool concept think I

55:35

feel like a yeah my team media lab all right

55:38

what are you by the way this is what people keep

55:40

telling me about the vision Pro it's like okay

55:43

yeah it's first gen yeah let

55:46

me know when the real thing comes out I

55:48

guess we'll talk about that

55:50

then Samsung's

55:54

going off its galaxy ring they've they

55:56

hinted. yeah, briefly. they were gonna do

55:58

this at their last. Galaxy and Pack

56:00

thing they haven't told as a whole lot more.

56:02

Here's a picture of it. It's a little chunky,

56:05

looks a lot like an aura. Rings.

56:08

Former sponsor. Either

56:11

you know my promo the aura it

56:13

was was is it wasn't super accurate.

56:16

And. I you know there's so many other things

56:18

you have. the measure your sleep in, your fitness

56:20

is so forth and the truth as a value.

56:23

On a battery life. Samsung says

56:26

you'll learn more. When

56:28

they released this. At. Some point

56:30

in the months ahead. And

56:33

will learn more including the exact sensor

56:35

sweep, pricing, and sale date. So again,

56:37

it's just tease. At

56:41

feel they could have gone to the store, bought an

56:43

aura ring and put it on. It looks that much

56:45

so that similar. And said yeah, there's

56:47

one ours yeah like yeah, it looks. Pretty

56:49

similar also to the to dangerous

56:51

things at Magic Ring which does

56:53

a lot. Less. Own like alone.

56:56

Zubaida didn't you eyes? yeah I've

56:58

I've talked to that of putting

57:00

on twitter not time. Before it

57:02

is a ceramic ring

57:05

that has. Ah, I'm. Op

57:08

Program, Bull or Us Id Chips and At

57:10

so I've used it. Basically to I as

57:12

to topple work Id to get in and

57:14

out of the elevator works and very forgetful

57:16

and off and leave my wallet up in

57:19

the office or at home or something like

57:21

that. Or and holdings too many coffees, sledges,

57:24

Cloned. My work Id and put

57:26

it on a the ring and second Swedes

57:28

my hands are. It takes me like worse.

57:30

I see that all the times I get

57:32

someone in our security Barbara is call you

57:34

right now appear As I will say the

57:36

people who complements me on it are the

57:38

head of security. Oh

57:41

that's cool. Can I get on know that you have it

57:43

on now. Ah nope them with an

57:46

hour from home today but I could get it. it's a black

57:48

this are you have you been so you just put on before

57:50

you go to work. you put it on. I

57:53

just pass it on my dresser and I remember. As.

57:56

Against pretty kids were it was really

57:58

easy to program to me. I.

58:01

Don't. Really have any programming knowledge? All. But

58:03

it was pretty easy to figure out how

58:06

to clone it's. it's like of, I don't

58:08

know. Was. Like nine digits.

58:10

Or something he had to copy over. It was

58:12

very simple. Ice. Or.

58:15

Yeah, you know, We're. Going to

58:17

Mexico in a week. And. When you go

58:19

to those resorts to give you a bracelet, the kids in

58:21

the roman. Gets. A free drinks as you

58:24

walk around. Stuff like that I guess is gonna like that.

58:27

As probably say, I'm surprised. same technology actually

58:29

Nsc are going to be As far as

58:32

I digress. off at it. As

58:34

the Devil's Mark. It

58:37

is actually good if you were that into

58:40

town. They know soccer we gotta laugh at

58:42

at at the as you can we get

58:44

off. By the way, it's like a one

58:46

time thing. If you take it off taken

58:49

aback nice ask little oh really Well in

58:51

a what you're having it's somebody Ss ethical

58:53

thrive. yeah. I'm

58:56

a story there's reason for more old

58:58

or conversely I was the Deutsche Telekom

59:00

is is also to speculative but they

59:02

were trying to argue that the the

59:04

their food or the future will have

59:07

no apps only and agent. That.

59:09

I think they may not be far

59:12

wrong. Isn't that what that is? Interesting

59:14

enough are one Did It was basically

59:16

an app. was. You

59:19

know shadier be t they were advertising young

59:21

and that would do yeah. the rabbit ear.

59:24

Did you buy one beneath? are you just

59:26

gave me the link for the was the

59:28

rabbits? Yeah our night and I wanted to.

59:31

I was very tempting is only three bucks

59:33

was cheap and as you manage the I

59:35

pin by the way has been delayed. By

59:38

another ah surprise surprise, know people

59:41

who saw it at Mobile World

59:43

Congress were actually somewhat impressed and

59:45

it was getting good reviews from

59:47

the demo unit. And at Mobile

59:49

World Congress. And you

59:51

buy one of those Know. So. I

59:53

was very tempted. I was ever really was thinking about

59:55

it. And

59:59

then I. The better of it is

1:00:01

the have a subscription and advice. He met

1:00:03

the rabbit. It's actually two hundred bucks in

1:00:05

your me and you only pay that you

1:00:07

don't have a subscription. there was a rabbit.

1:00:10

You also get access to a what for

1:00:12

followed the of the as like some solid

1:00:14

assets are the humane ai pieces of order

1:00:16

to better than expected right sounds and Johnson

1:00:18

in the verge. Until. It didn't.

1:00:22

A. Specific them said it, but at least

1:00:24

we see pictures of it's projection screen

1:00:26

and actually it's much more legible than

1:00:28

their we've been told it would be.

1:00:31

Ah, I see I was you to get that's a

1:00:33

you have, you did that of in you make, but

1:00:35

Edo, try to get a camera, is to show that

1:00:37

on our us. The. Pin didn't seem

1:00:40

to be pulling on the hooded sweaters humans employs

1:00:42

around at the show. Remember. That

1:00:44

was one of the knocks on the original

1:00:46

launch videos the guy put it on those

1:00:48

have dragging the color of his shirt down.

1:00:52

As was too heavy gas have a but

1:00:55

apparently it. Wasn't. For rounds and anyway,

1:00:57

By. Early impression the pinch he says there's something

1:01:00

there, but it's not the thing. Trouble.

1:01:02

Is humane. Marketing is built it up

1:01:04

to be the same. It.

1:01:08

Is a little the body the same sort of

1:01:10

thing? where to look for you gotta hype up

1:01:12

your product to steer launching aunts and that. Oftentimes

1:01:15

isn't that area isn't perhaps

1:01:17

the right mood for the

1:01:19

over hype. You disappoints are

1:01:21

you are? are you are

1:01:23

under promise over deliver. Time

1:01:25

ago. A

1:01:28

similarly food when I'm sorry I have

1:01:30

mom as I. Thrive.

1:01:33

That's why. When

1:01:36

I saw that promise adequately A Deliver

1:01:38

adequate. I

1:01:40

totally totally take their bags.

1:01:43

Oh is so inappropriate! And

1:01:47

I don't know I am. I don't like Amazon is

1:01:49

that I hit my finger on my bow when I

1:01:51

asked i think they're. Selling

1:01:54

That guy had the make balance. I

1:01:56

don't know. Say hi. snow

1:01:59

but i I

1:02:01

personally believe that you

1:02:03

should under-promise, you should downplay

1:02:06

it, and then when you deliver something

1:02:08

better, people go, wow, versus

1:02:10

what you mean and others are doing which is

1:02:12

over-promising and under-delivering. I don't think

1:02:14

that works out. I have a paper that's due

1:02:16

in May 1 and I hope to

1:02:19

finish it next week. Wow.

1:02:21

Yeah. That'll

1:02:23

never be mean. Is that? Me

1:02:26

and deadlines are in a constant war

1:02:28

and I'm losing. Absurdly,

1:02:32

whoa, we already did

1:02:34

this story. This is your New York Post

1:02:37

version of the woke thing.

1:02:40

I'm sorry, I clicked on this by accident. That was

1:02:42

in that section, you see. Yes, I see. I labeled

1:02:45

it for you. I kind of like these. He's got

1:02:47

quite a few good sections. I don't mind there being

1:02:49

a black founding father in this phony

1:02:52

AI generated, not real at all. It's

1:02:55

the world we should imagine. You're saying

1:02:58

the world won't collapse because someone's prompt

1:03:00

came back as a black founding father?

1:03:03

Yes. Big deal. A

1:03:05

messed up American flag? Some people said this is

1:03:07

the beginning of the end for Sundar Pichai. No,

1:03:09

I think that's overstated. Well, that was strategically.

1:03:12

Yeah, Ben Thompson was really... By the

1:03:14

way, I found the best use for LLMs. I

1:03:20

got it to summarize an 87,000-word Ben Thompson piece. Ben

1:03:24

gets paid by the word. Geez.

1:03:28

Now, people were saying that Ben

1:03:30

was a little off kilter on this one. People

1:03:34

were saying. Many people

1:03:36

are saying. They're saying. I've heard that.

1:03:42

Honestly, I subscribe to Stratecri and we used

1:03:44

to have Ben on a lot and

1:03:46

I really thought the world of him, but I think... I

1:03:49

don't know. These people just... It

1:03:53

seems like he doesn't have the insight that he used to have.

1:03:56

Let's put it that way. K.V. Harbath

1:03:58

kind of said that went to college with him, I guess.

1:04:00

and she kind of wrote about that today. So you know, it just

1:04:02

went too far in this case. Yeah. This

1:04:04

is not caused to fire so dark for children. No,

1:04:06

not at all. I

1:04:09

mean, killing the Chromebook, that

1:04:13

pixel is caused to get rid of it, but

1:04:15

not this. Yeah. What do you

1:04:17

guys think of Apple killing its car? Project.

1:04:21

I said this was terrible news for

1:04:23

the lowly worm, all

1:04:25

of Richard Scarry, you know, the Apple car

1:04:27

guy. Wow.

1:04:29

The little worm that rides. You have

1:04:31

to be somebody who grew up with

1:04:33

Busy Town to understand what she just

1:04:35

said. Sorry, to understand. Sorry, there

1:04:38

was a couple different layers there. You know,

1:04:40

of Busy Town, the lowly worm rides in

1:04:42

a car shaped like an apple. So this

1:04:44

would be terrible news for that worm whose

1:04:47

name is lowly worm. Yeah,

1:04:49

this is a lowly worm in a car. There

1:04:53

he is. You know, the only reason I know this

1:04:55

is because my kids are your age and I read

1:04:57

them Busy Town. So I do in fact know

1:05:00

about that Apple car. That's

1:05:03

not the Apple car we're talking about. You

1:05:06

know how I never saw it? I don't know,

1:05:08

that's true. It could have been that one. It could have been. Scarry

1:05:12

already did it. I love it. He got sued.

1:05:14

I love it that you came up with Richard

1:05:16

Scarry, lonely worm, lonely

1:05:18

worm, and I recognized it. I'm

1:05:21

really proud of you. Bizarre. Yeah,

1:05:25

you know, first of all, Apple never announced

1:05:27

a car, right? What

1:05:30

car? There's no car here. So

1:05:32

for them to not deliver

1:05:34

on an unannounced product is kind of

1:05:36

meaningless, except that

1:05:38

you can't develop a car without

1:05:40

attracting a lot of attention. So everybody kind

1:05:42

of knew that they were working on

1:05:45

that. I

1:05:47

think it makes sense. Well, what they said is they're gonna, it

1:05:50

sounds like they're gonna try to take the same

1:05:53

staff and say, do AI now. Yeah,

1:05:55

that'll go well. Although many of the people

1:05:58

in the Apple Car Division apparently were taken for... Tesla

1:06:00

and other manufacturers and

1:06:02

many of them were about self-driving. The

1:06:04

first inkling of this

1:06:06

was a couple of weeks ago when the

1:06:08

same reporter who's very good on Apple, Mark

1:06:11

Gurman said, on Bloomberg said, Apple

1:06:14

is no longer thinking about full

1:06:16

autonomy and then two weeks later Apple's not

1:06:19

even thinking about a car, it's all over and

1:06:21

Gurman's sources are very good so I think that

1:06:23

seems to be reasonable. Do you believe

1:06:25

the Mihi Mu, that

1:06:28

Chinese manufacturers of electric cars are

1:06:30

going to destroy American? Well

1:06:33

they're much less expensive. You

1:06:37

know there's a lot of fun around electric

1:06:39

vehicles and I pay attention to this because

1:06:41

I've been driving electric vehicles now for eight

1:06:44

years, something like that. First out of Tesla,

1:06:47

then a Mustang Mach-Eek, I now drive a

1:06:49

BMW i5, Lisa drives a Mini

1:06:52

Cooper electric and our son drives a

1:06:54

Chevy Bolt so we've driven a lot

1:06:56

of electric vehicles and I love them and

1:06:58

as soon as you drive one you really like it but

1:07:01

there's lots of issues and it bothers people that

1:07:03

for instance it's the charging, you can't

1:07:05

go to a gas station, that whole idea of going

1:07:07

to a gas station, the charging stations many of them

1:07:09

are broken, the infrastructure is not very good and a

1:07:12

lot of people don't have, you know, they can't have home

1:07:14

chargers, they live in an apartment or they don't have a

1:07:17

building where they could put a home charger in and

1:07:19

if you don't have a home charger it's not very practical, it's

1:07:21

not great, no winner. I watch

1:07:23

the video of one of the

1:07:25

Chinese companies is doing the change the battery

1:07:28

in three minutes thing. The

1:07:30

Chinese have really, and this is what you can do

1:07:32

if you have a centralized government that has

1:07:34

a lot of power, you could say no

1:07:36

we've decided electric cars, and

1:07:38

there's a good reason to drive

1:07:40

electric cars, there's a lot of pollution that comes

1:07:42

out of fossil fuels and

1:07:44

burning them and

1:07:47

they're fun to drive, I like them. Only if your

1:07:49

charging energy is clean though because if you're right, yeah,

1:07:51

yeah and obviously there are plenty of places where fossil

1:07:54

fuels are used to make that electricity, there might be

1:07:56

an economy of scale by doing it

1:07:58

at centralized location but I

1:08:00

think every analysis I've seen says it is

1:08:03

much better for the air quality. We

1:08:05

have solar panels. In

1:08:09

fact, here in Sonoma, we have Sonoma

1:08:11

Clean Power. If

1:08:14

you don't get your electricity from Pacific Gas

1:08:16

and Electric, you're getting clean energy

1:08:18

for sure. I don't know.

1:08:20

Anyway, yes, the reason people are saying that

1:08:22

is because electric car sales are down a

1:08:24

little bit because they're expensive. No

1:08:27

one's really figured out how to make a sustainable $25,000 electric

1:08:29

car except the Chinese.

1:08:34

So maybe BYD does not yet sell in America,

1:08:36

but it's the number one car manufacturer in the

1:08:38

world. Yeah, I mean for

1:08:40

just some thought on that. When

1:08:42

I went back to the Philippines last year, there were a

1:08:45

lot of new Chinese cars on the road. Yeah.

1:08:48

That's something I noticed a lot. Sure. I've

1:08:51

heard a lot of them. Sure. They have

1:08:53

high-end and low-end. I mean, they

1:08:55

have some really low-end vehicles.

1:08:59

This is kind of a nice high-end vehicle. They

1:09:01

have some that look like golf carts. The

1:09:07

Chinese market's a great market. I

1:09:10

don't know. Why do you think they don't

1:09:12

sell in the US, Benito? It's probably political.

1:09:15

Yeah. Yeah. We're

1:09:17

trying to keep them out of the US, of course, because

1:09:20

those tax credits are for cars assembled in

1:09:22

the US only. Let's

1:09:27

see. What else? How about Bitcoin?

1:09:32

It's back, baby. I've heard of it.

1:09:34

It's back. It's back.

1:09:37

New Bitcoin spot ETF trading volume

1:09:39

says daily record. Bloomberg

1:09:41

says besting launch day, the nine news.

1:09:44

Did you explain what a spot ETF is? Oh,

1:09:47

sorry. The

1:09:50

answer is no, Jeff.

1:09:54

I think that so ETFs, electronically

1:09:57

traded funds, are...

1:10:01

They're like visual funds, aren't they? They're like funds,

1:10:03

yeah. So, I don't think you're buying Bitcoin directly.

1:10:06

You're buying some sort of Bitcoin vehicle.

1:10:11

There are nine of them. They're all

1:10:13

going up. They've broken the all-time record

1:10:15

with $2.4 billion in sales a couple

1:10:17

of days ago. Spot

1:10:23

ETFs, such as the new Spot Bitcoin

1:10:25

ETFs, allow for shares of the fund

1:10:28

to be created or redeemed based on

1:10:30

market demand. In this way, a

1:10:32

Spot Bitcoin ETF allows investors

1:10:34

to gain exposure to the current

1:10:36

price of Bitcoin without having to hold the

1:10:38

asset itself. So, it's not backed

1:10:40

up by Bitcoin. It's just a- I think

1:10:43

it is ultimately. It has to be backed up. But you're

1:10:46

buying a share. I don't know. You're not buying

1:10:48

Bitcoin. You're buying a share and a fund that

1:10:50

buys Bitcoin. I

1:10:52

hope. Yeah, you hope. Yes,

1:10:55

a Spot Bitcoin ETF is an exchange-traded

1:10:57

fund that tracks the spot or current

1:10:59

price of Bitcoin by holding an equivalent

1:11:02

amount of Bitcoin to back every share

1:11:04

of the ETFs sold. The

1:11:06

fund is actually backed by Bitcoin itself. So,

1:11:09

it does have to have Bitcoin. Bitcoin

1:11:11

is currently at $62,000 per coin, which is up

1:11:13

$5,000 today alone. It

1:11:18

is at a record high since 2021. Is

1:11:21

that now the highest? No. Did it

1:11:24

get that high before? No. I don't think

1:11:26

so. No. It was a

1:11:28

little bit higher. Let's see.

1:11:30

Let's look at the max chart

1:11:33

here. The record Bitcoin- It's very close to the

1:11:35

high. The high is $64,400. Yeah,

1:11:37

$64,000. All-time intraday peak

1:11:39

was $68,990. Okay. November

1:11:42

10, 2021. Yeah. So,

1:11:44

it's getting close. I'm going to

1:11:46

have to start trying to crack

1:11:48

that Bitcoin wallet. What

1:11:52

would it take, Leo? What would it actually

1:11:54

take? How much do you think you have on there? I

1:11:57

know exactly how much I have. That's one of the beauties

1:11:59

of Bitcoin. I know exactly. Bitcoin. I

1:12:03

can see it. It's sitting there. I

1:12:06

feel like you could probably pay somebody

1:12:08

for you and then promise them half.

1:12:10

Yeah, no, I'm not going to do

1:12:12

that. No, no. You'd rather

1:12:15

just have the illusion of all the money instead of

1:12:17

the promise of the asset. I'm going to work on

1:12:19

it. I mean, there's nothing they can do that I

1:12:21

can't do. They're using the same crackers and stuff. But

1:12:24

I think I'm more likely going to find it

1:12:26

by just trying to put in passwords that I

1:12:29

remember than they are, right? I don't know. Do

1:12:32

you think you used a password you'd remember?

1:12:34

Yeah, why would I not use a password

1:12:36

I'd remember? Because you thought it

1:12:38

was so valuable and clever. You told me something. No,

1:12:40

they'll never get this. How many guesses do you have

1:12:42

left? There's no limit. Oh, there's

1:12:44

no limit. Okay. Yeah. Oh,

1:12:47

yeah. So

1:12:50

is it this? Well,

1:12:53

imagine the heart. You know what? I'll

1:12:56

have a heart attack that it goes, yeah, that's what it goes. It's how it goes through.

1:12:58

Yeah. Like you're now a hundred, what would it be? 62

1:13:01

times seven? You're half a million dollars richer.

1:13:03

What? Because you've got to wait for a quantum computer. You

1:13:07

know, I feel like it's a savings

1:13:09

account. Someday

1:13:11

it will crack. Your kids,

1:13:16

well, what you could do is all of

1:13:18

your, I got it, Leo.

1:13:20

You take all the transcripts of all

1:13:22

of the twig shows, you put that

1:13:24

into an LLM and have it guess

1:13:26

the most likely passwords. Yeah. You

1:13:29

know, that's probably a good way to do it actually. Wow.

1:13:34

That's pretty, that's good. What?

1:13:36

You know, so we've been two point crypto for

1:13:38

all this time and all that. Were

1:13:42

we wrong? The

1:13:49

problem I have with the price of Bitcoin is

1:13:51

it's not tied to anything except

1:13:53

expectations. Why is it going up right

1:13:55

now? Because people are buying because of

1:13:57

the ETFs. I think it's the entry. of

1:14:00

ETFs increases more demand. That's probably

1:14:02

what it is. So

1:14:05

I should really open that wall and sell

1:14:07

these right now. It's going to

1:14:09

be really wise to get it.

1:14:12

How much would it cost in gas

1:14:14

to cash it all out? You

1:14:16

just say I'm not in a hurry, take your time and

1:14:18

your gas fees are probably nothing. Oh,

1:14:20

okay. Sorry,

1:14:24

sorry I brought it up. No,

1:14:26

it doesn't bother me. Look,

1:14:29

if the person that should bother is Steve

1:14:31

Gibson who had 50 of them

1:14:34

until he raised the hard drive. Oh my

1:14:36

God. Now that's a lot of them. Yeah,

1:14:39

well, so we were doing

1:14:41

a show talking about Bitcoin and

1:14:43

he said, yeah, this is how you mine it. And he

1:14:45

just says it kind of goofs set up a Bitcoin miner.

1:14:48

This is in very early days when you could mine

1:14:50

it on just a PC. The next

1:14:52

morning gets up there's 50 Bitcoin in the drawer.

1:14:58

So that's what is 50 times 60? It's

1:15:01

a lot. That's $300 million. Oh, that

1:15:03

hurts. I know. And

1:15:06

he just erased the drive. He just wasn't paying

1:15:10

attention. He was just playing with it.

1:15:19

Oh, now we're going to get, Benita,

1:15:22

when's Kathy coming on next week, right? I

1:15:25

don't know. I think she's coming on. In a little bit.

1:15:28

As we know, Kathy is an attorney who she

1:15:30

is admitted to the bar in the Supreme Court.

1:15:32

You can argue cases in the Supreme Court. She

1:15:34

can go watch cases being argued. And

1:15:36

there are so many important Supreme Court cases going on

1:15:38

right now. We've scheduled her for

1:15:41

to be on shortly after. Now the one

1:15:43

of the big ones happened yesterday, which is

1:15:46

the net choice case, I think. The

1:15:50

laws in Texas and Florida that

1:15:53

prevent, basically prevent moderation

1:15:55

on social networks. that

1:16:01

seems like a bad idea. The laws are

1:16:03

currently stayed but the both

1:16:05

attorneys general... Did you read Jim Woo's column in the

1:16:07

New York Times? Not yet but let me give you

1:16:09

a summary and then we'll go to that. So

1:16:12

yesterday was the oral arguments went on for

1:16:14

hours, four

1:16:16

hours almost on Monday not

1:16:19

yesterday. The majority

1:16:22

of justices... Can't believe that they like

1:16:24

Kavanaugh now per day. The

1:16:26

majority of justices expressed concerns about

1:16:29

how the law's core provisions would

1:16:31

apply to decisions to, this is important,

1:16:34

take down hate speech and

1:16:36

misinformation and block users who

1:16:38

don't comply with the platform's terms of

1:16:41

services. Those competing instincts, reading

1:16:43

again from Bloomberg, left the court as

1:16:45

a whole unsure how to handle cases

1:16:47

that Amy Coney Barrett said had a

1:16:49

bunch of landmines that she's

1:16:52

right and that might have unforeseen implications

1:16:54

down the road. The

1:16:56

court will likely issue an opinion on this

1:17:01

next summer, around about June was when

1:17:03

the opinions come out. Supporters of the

1:17:05

law include Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, Texas

1:17:07

Governor Greg Abbott. Their

1:17:10

concern was that these... It really

1:17:12

started when President Trump was

1:17:14

banned from Twitter on January 7th. He

1:17:18

says these laws are needed to

1:17:20

prevent discrimination they say against his

1:17:22

conservative voices. The problem

1:17:24

is they also prevent moderation against

1:17:26

all voices. Justice

1:17:29

Clarence Thomas who

1:17:32

repeatedly said social media companies were

1:17:34

engaged in censorship said, I

1:17:36

don't know of any protected speech interest in

1:17:38

censoring other speech. But

1:17:40

it's just so logical. That's like walking into your

1:17:47

store right now and saying you must

1:17:49

have on... The law says you must

1:17:52

have on Jason Calacanis. Don't choice about

1:17:54

it. Because you've been censoring him

1:17:56

by not having a law. The real issue is the

1:17:59

First Amendment prevents governments, our

1:18:02

government from talent or state governments from telling

1:18:05

private industry or

1:18:07

anybody what they can and cannot say,

1:18:09

right? And that's essentially

1:18:11

what this does. It's the

1:18:13

government saying... It's an upheld speech

1:18:15

is not free speech. Yeah. Justice

1:18:18

Roberts, Chief Justice Roberts said, I wonder since we're

1:18:20

talking about the First Amendment whether our first concern

1:18:23

should be with a state regulating what we've

1:18:25

called the modern public square. Exactly. State

1:18:28

cannot regulate that. It's

1:18:31

a violation of the First Amendment. Now

1:18:34

here's a great question. Several

1:18:37

justices asked about

1:18:39

whether the law's anti-discrimination provisions

1:18:42

could be constitutionally applied to

1:18:44

Gmail or Uber. Katanji

1:18:47

Brown Jackson said, if we come up with

1:18:49

some scenarios in this context in

1:18:52

which we can envision it not being

1:18:54

unconstitutional, why don't you lose?

1:18:58

She asked the trade groups representing

1:19:01

the lawyer representing the trade groups. That's

1:19:04

Facebook and mostly Facebook and Twitter and

1:19:06

so forth. Justice Alito asked whether the

1:19:08

tech industry would argue that Google Gmail

1:19:11

has a First Amendment right to boot account

1:19:14

holders such as Tucker Carlson or Rachel Maddow

1:19:16

based on their politics to

1:19:18

which the lawyer representing the trade

1:19:20

group said, well yeah, they might be able to do that.

1:19:22

They're private companies.

1:19:24

They could boot you for whatever they want.

1:19:26

Right. I mean

1:19:28

this is the same Supreme Court that said you don't have

1:19:30

to make a cake for

1:19:32

a gay couple now

1:19:35

saying, oh you have to carry right with the

1:19:39

speech. Right. So which

1:19:41

was the editorial that you want me to look

1:19:43

at? Kim Wu who just from

1:19:46

Columbia University sided

1:19:50

with Texas. Didn't like the law

1:19:52

but said this is First Amendment

1:19:54

absolutism and it means that you won't be able

1:19:56

to Control

1:19:58

other speech. They have a

1:20:01

column or the paper into the

1:20:03

seventy which I phone him and

1:20:05

good Versus in which he basically

1:20:07

once. A blunt force

1:20:09

be held responsible for returning

1:20:12

to a nineteen fifties sense

1:20:14

of. Culture online courses. The time

1:20:16

when you couldn't mention gay or Friday

1:20:18

or why risk it racial, marriage or

1:20:20

have As or communism read it out

1:20:22

of other stuff Frites, father and as

1:20:24

as a as a New York Times

1:20:26

as couple days because his Texas right.

1:20:29

The tech. Giants need to be regulated.

1:20:32

He. Tries so hard to be Centurion. Unlike

1:20:36

some on some of the face enough.

1:20:43

So what Is The First pot?

1:20:45

Kettle Metal Justice? And. If.

1:20:50

The Is Tim rights of the Supreme

1:20:52

Court endorses the First Amendment arguments presented

1:20:54

by the platforms in the case. It.

1:20:57

Could give Matter X and Google the kind

1:20:59

of immunity few businesses have ever had. Is

1:21:03

an anti attacked fit. And

1:21:08

also have an anti to thirty thing

1:21:10

but it's not. Immunity is choice. You.

1:21:13

Can't walk into the New York Times

1:21:15

and say you Must print Tucker Carlson.

1:21:17

This. Is the equivalent of that. Yeah,

1:21:24

I don't. I can agree

1:21:26

with that him at this point. I'm as

1:21:28

as a First Amendment is a brave and

1:21:30

beautiful part of our constitution, but experience has

1:21:32

shown it can be misused. The.

1:21:34

Social Media Also seventeen paper ask

1:21:36

whether the First Amendment is obsolete.

1:21:39

The. Social media platforms would like nothing

1:21:41

better than to hijack the concept

1:21:43

of free speech and making their

1:21:45

own broad plug protection. You

1:21:49

know, I don't. stories coming

1:21:51

from these are still private companies. Is

1:21:53

not the phone company, It's not. I

1:21:55

mean you are you saying and then

1:21:57

I'll I'll get my B S. Is.

1:22:00

Is there are you in that? It's of eternity? Is.

1:22:02

Say up but you can't tell the phone

1:22:04

company. Oh. You can't take the I

1:22:07

can allow cause real. I guess you could tell

1:22:09

them they they have. They can't block Tucker Carlson.

1:22:12

Yeah because everybody is around the home company

1:22:14

so it's a utility This so he that

1:22:16

the these are essentially utilities. I.

1:22:19

Guess so I don't I don't know I see

1:22:21

robot it often to I respect him and sleep

1:22:23

and see what I did he he he got

1:22:25

after me and in the social media and social

1:22:27

land agree with him and said he was you

1:22:29

You're not reading the subtly this like of the

1:22:31

I am. I. Live really says

1:22:34

Isaac is given too much credit

1:22:36

frankly to Twitter Facebook there and

1:22:38

they not the Town Square. They're

1:22:40

not public utilities, they're just on

1:22:42

companies running message boards. And.

1:22:44

Ah, it's ridiculous to say that

1:22:46

they have some sort of higher

1:22:48

standard. Mean, if you're

1:22:50

talking about blocking, that's one thing. They.

1:22:54

Should be allowed even on his Wherever

1:22:56

they don't want to block kebabs, I

1:22:58

have access to Facebook. It's not the

1:23:00

Athena, the world's. Credit. For

1:23:03

Obama only pulpit regardless of whether

1:23:05

good tweet. Japan.

1:23:08

With. The corner bar to kick you out just for

1:23:10

the don't like you are. Now if if they

1:23:12

see a pattern to get you out because you're

1:23:14

a woman. Know.

1:23:17

Or the of suspicious. This is something

1:23:20

that really bugs me lately. Is there?

1:23:22

And Will used to work in a bind. White

1:23:24

House there seems to be this kind of. Consensus

1:23:28

between democrats and republicans are

1:23:30

left and right. That.

1:23:32

We somehow have to do something about the tech

1:23:34

sector. That. There's something wrong going on

1:23:37

here. We gotta we gotta do something with

1:23:39

the tech sector. And ah that

1:23:41

worries me is when you get the left and

1:23:43

right agreeing on anything. They.

1:23:45

Could actually pass something. Think

1:23:48

they can actually make it happen? And.

1:23:50

Is it is the wrong thing? We

1:23:52

make some some thirty we need? Yeah

1:23:54

Yeah exactly. We. Talked to

1:23:56

yesterday as security now about and and

1:23:59

the Nevada Attorney gen. Demanding.

1:24:01

That cease books not allow minors

1:24:04

to have encryption. It

1:24:07

which was some help retain all. All

1:24:11

sit with some. He wanted

1:24:13

a yeah, he wanted it,

1:24:15

a judicial restraining order. Me

1:24:20

and let me look it up here to see

1:24:22

the story. Or

1:24:24

yeah, he says that encryption didn't

1:24:26

dangers. Endangers kids.

1:24:28

Nevada sues to deny

1:24:30

kids access to Met

1:24:32

his messenger encryption. I'm.

1:24:37

I'm trying to file the logic here. Maybe

1:24:39

they think said oh. These. Under

1:24:41

age kids are going to have encrypted

1:24:43

conversations with child. Predators.

1:24:45

And we won't be able to know, we won't

1:24:47

know what's going on. For

1:24:50

by the way, there's already a law saying you cannot.

1:24:52

You. You know that it's illegal to

1:24:55

use encryption if you are a child

1:24:57

abuser. I

1:24:59

don't. I really don't assume the logic here. They.

1:25:02

Want a temporary restraining order

1:25:04

on Mehta to keep kids?

1:25:07

From. Using encryption. To

1:25:12

the Citadel the purpose for it. You know that there

1:25:14

was much older and it was. Oh

1:25:17

of course than no further questions as

1:25:19

such things that it is most of

1:25:21

the state seats to join met A

1:25:24

from using and and encryption on young

1:25:26

users message or communications within the state

1:25:28

of Nevada by the way would only

1:25:31

apply to Nevada. This conduct which renders

1:25:33

it impossible for anyone other than a

1:25:35

private messages sender and recipient to know

1:25:38

what information the message contains serves as

1:25:40

essential tool a child predators and drastically

1:25:42

impede law enforcement's efforts to protect children

1:25:44

from heinous online crimes because they. Can't

1:25:47

read the messaging. The

1:25:51

i don't think. Taking. Away

1:25:53

children's privacy make them safer. Honest.

1:25:55

With. Some. I don't think that's the

1:25:57

case. But

1:26:00

this is see. This is what's going

1:26:02

on to me is. There.

1:26:06

Seems for some reason to be this consensus

1:26:08

that is this tech has gotten too dangerous,

1:26:10

so from his gun too dangerous and we

1:26:12

have to do something about it from all

1:26:14

sides. We're. Now

1:26:16

at the same circle the wagons chess and

1:26:18

preset so yummy Us: This is what I

1:26:20

read about it by their sports the web

1:26:22

we weave coming out this fall from basic

1:26:25

books on thing which is that there's this

1:26:27

says as she respects. Paris.

1:26:29

Took up to the swig of Gutenberg and

1:26:31

rails things we the Ogre thousand. We already

1:26:34

got a Gutenberg I already posted drink that

1:26:36

we have ever done. Bird is there the

1:26:38

I human still that earlier I should be

1:26:40

so don't think it's a moral panic point

1:26:43

out. By the way that the kid has

1:26:45

the unencrypted version and as they're concerned the

1:26:47

parents go look at the phone, see the

1:26:49

unencrypted version. It's it's just that inside a

1:26:52

campy senior. I'm sorry I

1:26:54

interrupted you. Web We we were all Yes,

1:26:56

as I wrote in the I Know That

1:26:58

A Web We weave as is is of

1:27:00

Wyoming as his advice from left to right

1:27:02

because the left. Or doesn't like

1:27:04

big companies ones who have from the rates

1:27:06

because they're too powerful must go after them

1:27:09

and everybody gets political points on of. Of

1:27:12

and the Intelligence community which

1:27:14

loves. Being. Able to see

1:27:17

everything that's going on. Does not like encryption

1:27:19

at all. And. Thought to

1:27:21

protect the children. Got bad news for you.

1:27:26

Know it's because it's a

1:27:28

convenient political enemy. Rouse.

1:27:30

The moment to lobster a

1:27:33

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1:27:35

whatever base that may be

1:27:37

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1:27:39

weapon to you know further,

1:27:41

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1:27:43

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1:27:45

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will sales have club Twit members sad get

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line where the Earth for

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going out and I just

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tags it. On.

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a lot of t both of us

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god appropriately covered of ah ha vet

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is a ring rates now what was

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the blood? me that us. Some

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great question I don't remember ever being

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anniversary. I definitely took a couple years

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off my life. We

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used to use Caro syrup and red dye

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number three, but I

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don't know what, you know, maybe you got theatrical

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blood. I mean, you probably did going to that

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fine progressive school. I was going to say, it

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was definitely a large, un-moved judge. This

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is not AI. It's like your McDonald's guy. Go and look

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at the person up in the upper right hand corner. Also

1:30:25

covered in blood. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah,

1:30:27

yeah. I got some blood going on there. Who

1:30:29

is that? This is in the back parking

1:30:31

lot of the dilapidated motel.

1:30:35

I believe somewhere in the scene

1:30:37

far behind us, there was someone serving chili

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out of a different vat. I hope

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so. This is great, guys. This is so

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great. This is the

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sort of stuff you get as a

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club twit member. Yeah, just right

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on. You were indeed theater club. Yeah, I

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love it. True.

1:30:55

Did you know then you wanted to be a journalist? No,

1:30:58

not at all. Did you think you were going

1:31:00

to be an actor? I

1:31:02

thought I was going to

1:31:04

go into pre-med, neuroscience.

1:31:07

That's right. We talked about

1:31:09

that. Yeah, you went to the doctor.

1:31:11

Figuring it out. I remember thinking, oh, I

1:31:13

love writing, but people don't make money doing

1:31:15

that. Which, I mean, was not untrue. We

1:31:19

talked about the Lunar Library last week, didn't we?

1:31:23

No, we didn't know. Oh, this is it.

1:31:25

Which is in your other friends. Yeah, I talked about

1:31:27

it with my other friends. So you

1:31:29

remember- The grown up

1:31:32

table. The grown up table. You

1:31:34

remember that there was a

1:31:37

launch this week, actually

1:31:39

a landing this week of a lunar lander. First

1:31:42

time since Apollo, since 1972, the Americans

1:31:44

had landed on the moon. It

1:31:49

was a NASA project, but it

1:31:51

was put together by intuitive machines.

1:31:53

I am one mission. NASA

1:31:57

paid for it, but it was a private

1:31:59

space organization. And it was a kind of

1:32:01

a dramatic landing. We now know that they didn't

1:32:03

have any altimeters aboard,

1:32:05

that the package that was supposed

1:32:08

to help them land on the moon, somebody

1:32:10

forgot to turn it on before they launched.

1:32:13

Was that what it was? They didn't turn it on? Yeah.

1:32:16

Ooh, it broke. John, am I wrong? I

1:32:18

seem to remember. There was a switch to

1:32:20

the top during

1:32:24

testing that failed to turn on before they

1:32:26

launched it. It was off during testing and

1:32:29

neglected to

1:32:31

turn it back on before

1:32:34

it landed. So it has landed. It

1:32:37

landed kind of sideways. Yeah,

1:32:40

landed arguably. Yeah. But

1:32:42

it was kind of cool the way they

1:32:44

got it down. It turned out there was

1:32:46

a science package aboard that had LIDAR on

1:32:48

it, one of the missions, and

1:32:50

they quickly uploaded code, woke it

1:32:53

up, and used the LIDAR to land.

1:32:55

So even though they didn't have any of that altimeter,

1:32:57

they didn't know how far off the surface

1:32:59

they were. The LIDAR was just like a

1:33:02

Google self-driving car. Pretty amazing, isn't it? So

1:33:05

it landed sideways. It fell. It tripped. Apparently,

1:33:08

it hit a boulder with one of its

1:33:10

legs on the way in, and it

1:33:13

tripped. But it's operative. It's working. The only thing

1:33:15

bad is there's a Jeff Kuntz painting on the

1:33:17

side that is

1:33:19

on the ground, which maybe some might

1:33:21

say not so bad. But

1:33:25

that's not the story. The story is there is a payload

1:33:28

on there from the lunar library.

1:33:32

The idea is, this is from the

1:33:34

Arch Mission Foundation. This is the

1:33:37

disk. It's a micro-fish made

1:33:39

out of nickel. And

1:33:42

on here is the entire

1:33:45

wisdom of the human species,

1:33:48

the entire English Wikipedia.

1:33:51

The Long Now's Rosetta

1:33:55

Project, 7,000 human languages,

1:33:58

portions of projects, Gutenberg, those are

1:34:00

the public domain. Oh, drink! Gutenberg.

1:34:02

Hey! That counts.

1:34:04

That's been around since before even

1:34:06

you, Jeff. That was the project to take

1:34:10

public domain works like Dickens and so

1:34:12

forth and put it into eBooks. Those

1:34:15

are up there. Selections from the Internet

1:34:17

Archives, collections of books and

1:34:19

important documents. The SETI

1:34:22

Institute's Earthling Project featuring

1:34:24

a musical compilation of 10,000

1:34:26

vocal submissions representing

1:34:30

Humanity United. You

1:34:33

know what? I want to hear that. Let

1:34:35

me put a pin in that and see if

1:34:37

we can find that. The Arch Lunar Art Archive

1:34:40

including works

1:34:42

from global, contemporary and digital artists

1:34:44

recorded as NFTs. So

1:34:46

see? Your NFTs are on the

1:34:48

Moon. They

1:34:51

are on the Moon. Do you want to hear some of the

1:34:53

singing from the Earthling Project? Will

1:34:56

they take us down from the Moon? They

1:34:58

might. Do you have the Moon issue

1:35:01

a copyright strip? Let me see

1:35:03

if I can find a... Did they

1:35:05

have the Voyager Golden Record on there? It's

1:35:07

like that, except even better. I

1:35:11

don't know if you can get better than a 12-year-old play

1:35:13

record. Even better. The record's

1:35:15

going to last longer though. The Voyager's going to last

1:35:17

longer. That's true. And the Voyager isn't just

1:35:19

stuck on the Moon. Let's see. Is

1:35:21

this the sound? Then I have

1:35:23

to change. This is them talking about it. I

1:35:25

want to hear it. Well,

1:35:28

maybe I can't. Maybe we can't play it for

1:35:30

some reason. They're not offering it. Also

1:35:34

unaccountably, you'll find David

1:35:37

Copperfield's magic secrets. The

1:35:40

secrets to all his greatest illusions, including

1:35:43

how he'll make the Moon disappear in the

1:35:45

near future. And that's

1:35:47

a threat. I'm

1:35:50

thinking... Yeah, right. Somebody

1:35:52

on Sunday had... Some

1:35:55

alien life finds it and they're like, this

1:35:57

species is going to make the Moon disappear.

1:36:00

I think that's a possibility. I mean,

1:36:02

obviously, I don't know what this is

1:36:04

for. Like, is

1:36:06

it so that we can recover our

1:36:08

greatest works? But in order to

1:36:10

do that, we'd have to be able to get to the moon,

1:36:12

which I think means that we probably recreated most of the civilization

1:36:15

anyway. Maybe not David

1:36:17

Copperfield. I think if

1:36:19

an ancient, if some alien

1:36:22

species found it, there's

1:36:24

a good shot. You're going to think David Copperfield

1:36:26

must have been like the ruler of the

1:36:29

whole thing. Why else would

1:36:32

he be there? And

1:36:34

maybe these tricks were how he fooled us

1:36:36

into making him the ruler, and like

1:36:38

he had to tell somebody, so he put

1:36:40

it on the moon. That's what I'm thinking. There

1:36:43

is the Arch Mission Primer, which teaches

1:36:46

a million concepts with images

1:36:48

and words in five languages. There's

1:36:51

a private library, and there's just a ton

1:36:53

of stuff. Will the common crawl part

1:36:55

of it? No. Private

1:36:57

collection, the Arch Mission vaults include collections

1:36:59

from partners and advisors

1:37:01

of important texts and images from all

1:37:03

the world's religions. How are these things

1:37:06

stored? On little tiny

1:37:08

nickel microfiche on

1:37:11

this disk. So we're

1:37:13

expecting the aliens to be

1:37:16

able to read a microfiche? They're

1:37:18

going to see this Rev Media marketing

1:37:20

logo and say, wow, I've got to

1:37:22

find out what's on there. It's

1:37:26

just a big ad for... It reminds me

1:37:28

of the Terry Bisson short

1:37:30

story, They're Made Out of Meat. Have

1:37:33

you guys heard of this one? Oh, God, that's so

1:37:35

great. Yeah, I love that. I'll

1:37:37

post it in the Discord. It's a

1:37:39

cute short little story about aliens.

1:37:43

But it begins, they're

1:37:46

made out of meat. Meat? Meat.

1:37:48

They're made out of meat. Yeah, it's noped out

1:37:51

about it. We picked several from different parts of

1:37:53

the planet. Tuck them aboard our recon vessels, probe

1:37:55

them all the way through. They're completely meat. You

1:37:59

go further down. It's ridiculous. How can

1:38:01

meat make a machine? You're asking me to

1:38:03

believe in sentient meat. I'm not asking you

1:38:05

I'm telling you this creature the only sentient

1:38:07

race in the sector and they're made of

1:38:10

meat They're born meat and they die meat.

1:38:12

We studied several of them for their lifespan

1:38:15

It goes further and further but uh,

1:38:17

like how do they talk? It's like

1:38:19

just through meat What

1:38:21

do you think is on the radio meat sounds? You

1:38:23

know when they slap and flap meat that

1:38:26

makes a noise they talk Flapping their

1:38:28

meat at each other sing by squirting air

1:38:30

through the meat So I

1:38:32

think that's what the aliens are gonna think when they

1:38:34

find our microfiche. It's like who is this meat man?

1:38:37

They're gonna think magic that we are the

1:38:39

most self-centered culture in the

1:38:41

world Look at all

1:38:43

the in the universe in the universe. Look at

1:38:45

all we have created. Look at the magic tricks

1:38:48

we have created Anyway,

1:38:51

that's on the it's on the moon. They've tried

1:38:53

three times to get it crashed the first two

1:38:55

times But they finally got it up there AT&T

1:39:02

was out for almost 12

1:39:04

hours last week. I

1:39:07

didn't notice I'm on AT&T and I didn't notice you

1:39:09

didn't notice Wow, just no one was calling you. No

1:39:11

one calls me. Well, no Well,

1:39:14

you know why because you have Wi-Fi calling probably in

1:39:16

your house And so it

1:39:18

still worked But just

1:39:20

the phone network was down started 4 30

1:39:23

a.m. Eastern time. It took them almost

1:39:25

12 hours to solve it AT&T's

1:39:29

description of what happened Was

1:39:32

a little odd. I Mean,

1:39:34

I still haven't really given a full

1:39:37

explanation, right? No, they gave nobody wanted

1:39:39

to make clear They weren't it wasn't

1:39:41

alien activity. This is this

1:39:43

is their layman a AT&T gave ABC

1:39:45

News The outage was not

1:39:47

a cyber attack, but was caused

1:39:49

by quote the application and execution

1:39:51

of an incorrect process used

1:39:54

as we were Expanding

1:39:56

our network. And by the way, that's just putting

1:39:59

an ad in there By the way,

1:40:01

we were expanding our network. I

1:40:04

don't know when, no one knows. You know there

1:40:06

had to be a team of about 20 to 50 PR

1:40:08

people and they're like, no, no, no, no,

1:40:10

we've got to get expanding the

1:40:12

network. That's what it was about.

1:40:15

We were expanding the network. We're

1:40:17

good people. The application and execution

1:40:19

of an incorrect process is meaningless

1:40:21

gobbledygook from any technical point of view. So we

1:40:23

have no idea what went wrong. It was a bad patch,

1:40:25

right? That's what it sounds like. It was like a bad

1:40:27

patch. Yeah, it could have been a lot of things. We

1:40:29

don't know. It could have been a bad patch would make

1:40:31

it all go down for that. The

1:40:35

Department of Homeland Security and the FBI are looking into

1:40:37

it just to make sure, as

1:40:39

is the US Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency.

1:40:42

I guess that's Sysa as a part of

1:40:44

the DHS. We'll

1:40:47

see if there's anything else. How many of

1:40:49

your phones were affected? None because I have

1:40:52

finally given up my AT&T account.

1:40:55

Wow. Did they cry? I

1:40:57

don't know. No, I went in there.

1:40:59

We're a customer. We didn't know people could have

1:41:01

this many phones. I've now

1:41:03

done AT&T and Verizon. Verizon,

1:41:07

actually, the guy was very kind of, we went

1:41:09

to the store to do that one. It was

1:41:11

very resigned. So we're moving everybody

1:41:13

over. And

1:41:16

he said, okay. It

1:41:18

wasn't like you were fighting. Where

1:41:21

is everything on now? We

1:41:23

moved the family over to T-Mobile. My

1:41:27

kids were already T-Mobile. I was T-Mobile. I

1:41:29

mean, I was everything. So

1:41:32

mostly it was me giving stuff up. Are you still paying for your kid's cell phone? No.

1:41:35

How old are your children, Leo? Has

1:41:38

that one of them in their 30s? Yeah,

1:41:42

31 and 29. Yeah. Oh

1:41:45

my God. You mean yours? Your father

1:41:47

doesn't pay for yours? Your father doesn't pay for yours? Yeah. No,

1:41:50

I've been paying for mine for quite some time. I

1:41:53

bet you have. I can see what's going

1:41:55

to happen when Paris visits the studio. The

1:41:58

kids are going to be there for dinner. I'm

1:42:00

ready to meet the children. Time

1:42:04

to get your own cell phone. Me and Salt Hank

1:42:06

are going to have a strong talking. Alternative

1:42:09

father, alternative daughter. I

1:42:12

don't want to have the talk. True,

1:42:14

it has to happen when they're ready. I'm not ready

1:42:16

to do it. It's like, son, it's

1:42:19

time to get your own cell phone service. I

1:42:21

can't do that to him. By

1:42:24

the way, AT&T is making things right by offering a $5 credit. And

1:42:33

by the way, not per line, just per account. So

1:42:35

like, I'd get one $5. Talk about

1:42:37

cheap. Jeez Louise. Hey,

1:42:42

that's like what you get for the Equifax

1:42:44

hack, right? Oh, I know. Right.

1:42:48

Are you ready for the Reddit IPO? Did

1:42:51

you read their 10Q, learn

1:42:54

all about it? I may not be ready,

1:42:56

but the top 75,000 Redditors better get

1:42:58

ready because Reddit is going to give

1:43:02

them some or the opportunity

1:43:05

to buy shares before the I... Yeah,

1:43:07

they're not giving them anything. They're

1:43:09