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You are listening to This Week in Marvel,

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episode number 627. I

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am Angelique Roche. And

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I'm bump, bump, bump, Lorraine

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Sink. She's back in the house. She

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can't be kept away. Ha ha ha ha.

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But

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you know who can be kept away? Ryan Padagos,

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AKA H&M. He's on a secret mission. I'm

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back from baby time, y'all.

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I made a whole human. And now

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I'm back to talk about Marvel stuff.

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You're welcome. So

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now Ryan and I are going to incessantly talk about our

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children. I apologize in advance. JK,

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deal with it. I was about to say, why would you apologize

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about talking about these adorable humans? I

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will have to just talk about my fur baby,

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who is sitting outside of the audio booth right

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now. Like,

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mommy, play with me. Fur

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babies count. Fur

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babies count. But besides fur, well, we will

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be also talking about

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some furry heroes during the show as well. This

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is the official Marvel podcast, where we get

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to talk about all things fur babies. No,

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seriously. No, no, no, no, no. All things Marvel.

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All things Marvel. I mean, all things fur Marvels.

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All right. Everything that's happening this

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week in Marvel, hence this week in

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Marvel. That's

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right. Toys, movies, TV,

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or whatever else we're excited about, like children.

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Yeah. This week, also,

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Marvel editor and host of Women of Marvel, Ellie

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Pyle, is going to join us here on TWIM as she

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chats with writers Anthony Bresnikan, Amy

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Radcliffe, and Rebecca Theodore-Vachon

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about their new book, Marvel Studios, the Marvel

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Cinematic Universe, an official

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timeline. So get

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on your time traveling space suits

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and your little TVA

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doodaddies, and let's get into it.

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All right.

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We're gonna move to our

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next thing and that's that's it. That's

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oh, it's get ready for it Lorraine The

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honestly, you know, I am so excited

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are teaming up to bring Marvel characters and stories

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to what magic the gathering I

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am a huge magic the gathering

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fan And I was

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super stoked about this It

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reminds me of like rainy and stormy

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Sundays with my friends playing

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in like a restaurant or bar the best It

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was announced this week Hasbro and Marvel

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are gonna develop a collectible Products and

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tentpole sets for best selling

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trading card game magic the gathering. It is

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the most fun game to play You're

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welcome if you haven't played magic it

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takes a minute to like learn but as soon as you

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learn it it is So

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addictive. Yeah, and I can't wait to see what these powers

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are for this card So the first temple

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magic set based on Marvel's fan favorite

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characters and epic stories are gonna appear

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globally in 2025 so you got

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to slow your roll hold on a minute And

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there's gonna be some additional all-new exciting

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sets for multi-generational fans to collect

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and play The team up with Marvel

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builds on the inclusion of other popular

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brands that are also joining the growing list of

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universes beyond The

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Magic of the Gathering universe so get into it.

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I can't wait to see this I'm hoping

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I'm gonna have something to add to my green deck

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because I have a big green monster deck and it's

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all about just like Smashing

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the hell out of everybody

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else's deck um, or maybe like a nice

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white deck where you're impossible to kill

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cuz you just keep Proliferating

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with life and it's like try to stop me.

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You can't you can't kill me. I can't die

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I love all of this you make me

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so happy with your Cuz

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all them think it is like the center search thick sounds

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like a green deck. Yeah, baby.

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It's like Groot It's just like I'm

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a big green plant and I'm crushing

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you Get into

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it stay tuned to Marvel calm for more info as it becomes

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available. I Love

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it. All right, and in other Hasbro news

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because I know folks have been waiting Waiting

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to hear about this. We wanted to take a moment

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and congratulate the Marvel Legends team and

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all of you fans out there for Successfully

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funding the Marvel Legends

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has lab Giants man Where

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are any of you gonna put it who knows who

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cares? It's gonna be great You're

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gonna have to put on top of the bookshelf cuz he's too

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tall All

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right Ladies are in the house.

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Yeah, I feel like it's like ladies night The

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girls are are in the pod today.

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Um, so let's talk some women of Marvel and

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of course I'm talking women of Marvel rogue

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our pals Ellie and pre-the over at the women

5:29

of Marvel podcast love rogue So

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much so there is a very long

5:34

episode coming for you. It's jam-packed with

5:36

conversations about You

5:38

know our favorite comic book couple rogue

5:41

and gambit. Well, maybe not Ryan's Ryan

5:44

and his opinions of gambit are

5:47

not here on the show today Yeah,

5:50

for now. We embrace love And

5:52

they talk with writers Kelly Thompson and

5:55

Alyssa Whitney about writing

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rogue in the comics and in prose and

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They also talk a lot about X-Men the animated

6:02

series with writer Julia Leewald and

6:04

the voice of Rogue herself, Lenora Zahn. Plus

6:08

they ask real couples therapists

6:10

what she would do if Rogue and Gambit sat down

6:13

on her couch. I can only

6:15

imagine, it's like find a new boyfriend,

6:17

whatever, husband, whatever, it's fine.

6:21

But TBD on that, definitely go check

6:23

out this episode wherever you're listening

6:25

to this episode, wherever you get your podcasts.

6:28

Yeah, you know I like that you asked

6:31

this idea of what if

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being on that couch because we have another

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what if that's what if Wanda Maximoff

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and Peter Parker were siblings.

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This is actually a novel, not a comic book,

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so I'm really excited about this. Wanda

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and Peter Parker embrace great responsibility

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in their next adventure of an epic

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multiversal series that reimagines

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iconic Marvel origin stories. Okay,

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so the question

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is what if Wanda didn't have to suffer her

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grief alone? What if she had

7:06

Peter Parker? So in this novel

7:08

all Wanda has known is her friendly

7:10

little neighborhood in Queens. As

7:12

an infant after her parents have died she was

7:14

adopted by Aunt May and Uncle Ben, the two

7:17

best parents ever, and as siblings

7:19

with her idiot brother Peter

7:22

Parker. Two things hiding

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a spider bite, joining a secret

7:26

fight club, and becoming a superhero

7:28

or somehow good ideas. I love

7:30

how this is a completely different perspective

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on your life choices Peter Parker

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are suspect. Yeah,

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also Peter Parker is a sibling, super

7:42

interesting because like he is a

7:44

strong only child by 100%. But

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now you add in Wanda's powers, blood,

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chaos, suspicion, all the things

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that come with Wanda as she

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harnesses her powers under the guidance

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of Doctor Strange. because New

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York, Peter

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is then standing by her side in the sanctum

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centorum. And as they try to protect

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New York, the Parker

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siblings, oh, it's so good, learn

8:10

that with great powers, there must

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also come. Tacos.

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Great responsibilities. Oh,

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I'm so close. Yes, always tacos.

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But unfortunately, greater loss. So

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much like

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Star-Lord dropping his taco.

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All right, so those of you who love What If,

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and you're like, I need more of this, this is actually

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the second What If novel, following

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What If Loki Was Worthy, and Loki and

8:33

Valkyrie story by Madeline Rue. And

8:36

I gotta say, I'm very excited

8:38

because this particular one, What

8:41

If One and Peter Parker Were Siblings, was

8:43

written by Seanan McGuire, friend of the show,

8:46

and is publishing in July, 2024. Heck

8:50

yeah, check it out. All right,

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Angelique, straight up, you work on Marvel's Voices.

8:55

Is it true? And there's

8:58

a new Marvel's Voices Legend anthology

9:02

coming July 31st. It's a beautiful

9:05

one shot. You do phenomenal work on

9:07

these with the team. What is it

9:09

about? So I love it. So Marvel's Legends

9:12

is gonna be celebrating Black History Month.

9:14

We're really excited because if you've

9:16

not seen this, incredible

9:18

cover, it's so good. It's

9:21

featuring Misty Knight, Patriot, and

9:23

also has a little shout out to Ghost Light

9:25

on the cover. It's gonna be on sale January

9:28

31st, just in time for Black History Month. And

9:31

as usual, it's our special one shot. We

9:34

also get an Elijah

9:37

Eli Bradley story, AKA Patriot.

9:40

It has been written. I've actually kinda

9:43

seen some of it by David Walker,

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an artist, Eter Messiah. It

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is gonna be, I'm really excited

9:50

about this because we're also celebrating Misty Knight's 50th

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anniversary. And for those who don't know,

9:55

like Misty Knight is actually

9:57

the first Black soup woman. superhero

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in Marvel Comics

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and the first interracial kiss

10:06

with her boyfriend, Iron Fist, at the time. So

10:09

we're celebrating her 50th anniversary. She was also a style

10:11

icon, let's be very clear,

10:12

with writer Justina Ireland,

10:16

who just a dope, speculative

10:18

fiction writer. And you've been

10:20

waiting for it. It's going to be a Daughters of the Dragon

10:22

adventure. And then

10:24

TV writer Ezra Clayton Daniels makes

10:27

his Marvel Comics debut alongside

10:29

artist Sean Damien Hill, who

10:32

did Bishop War College, but was also

10:35

in the very first Marvel's Voices

10:38

with a Michael Collins Deathlock

10:41

tale. So really excited about that. Also,

10:43

you should check out, we've got Marvel's Voices

10:45

Avengers number one coming out very,

10:48

very soon this year. So we've got so much

10:50

goodness coming. Yeah, we love it. Speaking

10:53

of some goodness, let's dive

10:55

into some Marvel Studios Loki season two.

10:58

No spoilers, but episode four is out this

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week. It is a doozy. The

11:04

timelines are time lining. The

11:07

things are happening. Victor, timely

11:09

miss minutes. There's a lot. It's a lot. It's

11:12

a lot. It's a lot. It's all converging

11:15

together. I can't

11:17

wait for you guys to watch episode four. It's phenomenal.

11:20

Go check it out. It is now streaming right now

11:22

on Disney Plus. But

11:24

there is more for the timeline. Yeah. Oh

11:27

yeah. The Marvel Cinematic Universe

11:29

and official timeline is out now. All

11:32

of your questions will be answered

11:34

in the MCU, which is vast

11:36

and incredibly varied and richly complex.

11:39

It'd be different worlds, different timelines, countless

11:41

characters. All of the fights you've had with

11:43

your friends, you now have a guide

11:46

to this universe and is created

11:48

in close collaboration with Marvel Studios. It

11:50

will answer the biggest questions. What happened?

11:53

When? Where? And

11:56

why? Also, Flurkin's. The entire story

11:58

of the MCU from before. the Big Bang

12:00

to the Blip and beyond. And

12:03

stay tuned because we actually have an interview with

12:05

the writers in just a few minutes.

12:08

That's again Marvel Studios, the Marvel

12:10

Cinematic Universe, an official timeline is available

12:12

now wherever books are sold.

12:15

Hey now, settle some

12:17

arguments amongst the kids. And

12:20

speaking of fans of all ages,

12:22

we have got some phenomenal

12:25

stuff over on Disney Plus as well. Lego

12:27

Marvel Avengers Code Red. It's

12:30

a new original special. It's now streaming

12:32

on Disney Plus. These look

12:34

like you put Lego with anything.

12:36

You put Lego with anything and it

12:38

becomes magic. It

12:40

is the cutest. All

12:43

the Lego specials are so fun. Definitely

12:45

don't want to miss the Lego Marvel Avengers Code

12:47

Red, which features some fan favorite

12:49

superheroes in Lego brick form.

12:52

There's Iron Man, Captain America,

12:54

Black Widow, Thor, Hulk, and you

12:56

know what? As usual, they're going

12:58

to come together. They're going to save the day. The code

13:00

is going to be red. The Collector

13:03

is our villain. It's now streaming on

13:06

Disney Plus. Also, fun fact,

13:08

you can check out a new Lego Marvel Avengers

13:11

Code Red short over

13:13

on Marvel HQ. It is

13:15

our family-friendly YouTube channel. That's youtube.com

13:18

slash marvel HQ. Go

13:21

subscribe now so you don't miss any

13:23

of those super cute shorts.

13:25

All right, so for those who love Star Wars,

13:28

The War of Stars,

13:29

we've got Star Wars Thrawn Alliances

13:32

adaptation by Timothy Zahn with

13:34

writer Jodie Houser. Who

13:37

knows Star Wars better than Jodie Houser?

13:39

An artist Andrea DeVito and Star

13:41

Wars Mace Windu written by the Mark

13:43

Benardin, like the nerd nerds,

13:48

and drawn by Georges Genti.

13:52

Star Wars Jango Fett by Ethan

13:54

Sachs and artist Luke Ross. Yo,

13:58

this is so good. All my friends. That's

14:00

so exciting, right? Literally,

14:02

I'm reading these names like, oh, I know

14:04

that person. Oh, that person's dope.

14:08

For a special sneak peek at the series

14:10

and more, pick up Star Wars Revelations

14:13

2023 number one in December.

14:16

December is gonna be loaded. Heck

14:20

yeah. Definitely

14:22

go check it out. Put it on your pull list. Also for

14:24

your pull list coming in February, the

14:26

edge of Spider-Verse is back, baby.

14:28

February 22nd. It's

14:31

now a perennial spider hit. It's

14:33

back. It's building to

14:35

the biggest Spider-Verse epic in Marvel

14:37

Comics history. You're welcome. It

14:39

is, as I said, launching in February and

14:42

the series is gonna take readers to the bleeding

14:44

edge of the Spider-Verse, reacquainting

14:47

you with some old faves, introducing

14:49

you to some important web-slinging

14:52

heroes. Maybe you haven't met yet. Because

14:55

we know we love the edge of Spider-Verse.

14:57

It is where we meet some incredible characters

15:00

and this time will be no different. Edge of Spider-Verse

15:02

number one is gonna kick off with a first appearance

15:04

of Weapon 8 or

15:07

the 111. The exciting

15:09

comeback of the tech-savvy Spider-Bite. So

15:14

we all know Weapon X, obviously, but who the

15:16

heck is this Weapon 8? We're gonna find out in

15:18

that story. It's by Colin Kelly and Jackson Lansing

15:21

of Captain America fame as well as artist

15:23

travel foreman. And in this

15:25

universe Weapon X escapes that

15:27

facility. You might remember that. He

15:29

does do that in the comics. And then

15:32

they call on their greatest previous success

15:34

to get him back. So do not

15:36

miss it. Come in in February.

15:38

It's just the start of the saga

15:41

that's gonna set up that next Spider-Verse-al

15:44

story. So you're not gonna

15:46

want to miss it. And also, you know, the

15:48

first issue of a new Spider-Character, you gotta get it.

15:52

But we've talked so much about comics coming up.

15:55

We gotta talk about comics that are out this

15:57

week. That's right. It is time for our

15:59

new-

15:59

comics pics whoo

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heck yeah it is a it is

16:05

a jam-packed

16:06

violent well

16:09

it is almost Halloween so

16:12

we have to choose we

16:14

have to choose Marvel zombies black white and

16:16

blood number one it's giving

16:19

black and white and red just as it

16:21

said heart-wrenching there the

16:23

art is phenomenal it's all black and white with splashes

16:26

of red you know the splashes we're talking

16:28

about it's not for the kids but it's for

16:31

us we love it I mean

16:33

listen there are three different stories in this undefeated

16:36

hope and deliverance they're all phenomenal

16:38

Garth Ennis is doing his zombie thing

16:41

he knows a zombie moment Ashley

16:43

Allen is doing some phenomenal writing and their beautiful art

16:45

by all the artists thought Fernandez

16:48

Mason all phenomenal yeah

16:50

and perfect for the for the holiday season

16:53

the the holiday

16:55

the holiday I am

16:57

most important I also got a shout out Captain

16:59

Marvel number one Alyssa

17:02

Wong Jen

17:05

Boussaldoula like

17:07

first of all

17:08

Alyssa Wong knows how to create a villain

17:11

mm-hmm and that's all I'm gonna say I'm

17:13

not gonna spoil this yeah I'll just say

17:16

there may or may not be some zombie action

17:18

in this one as well heck yeah and

17:20

listen it's a number one get into

17:23

it you don't want to miss the beginning of the story also

17:26

another story that is just phenomenal so

17:29

beautiful this issue Jean Grey

17:31

number three and of

17:33

course I would expect nothing less from

17:35

the icon Louise Simonson

17:38

oh yeah who is writing this series gorgeous

17:41

art by Bernard Chang unreal there

17:44

is this like beautiful one

17:46

page that is like a big

17:49

sort of collage of

17:51

all of these really iconic Jean moments it

17:53

kind of reminds me of that that

17:56

really iconic Jean image where she's like flaming

17:59

out in the middle and then there's like the fractals

18:01

of her life. Very similar to that but

18:04

following more of like her dark

18:06

descent. But those are comics for this week. Go

18:09

get them. They're out and available for you now.

18:11

And you can check

18:12

out more comics that are out this week on

18:14

marvel.com.

18:14

Yeah and coming

18:17

up soon we've got Ellie Pyle as she chats with

18:19

Anthony Bresnikan, Amy Ratcliffe and

18:22

Rebecca Theodore-Vachon about Marvel

18:24

Studios, the Marvel Cinematic Universe

18:26

and Official Timeline. We'll be right back

18:28

after this.

18:39

You're listening to This Week in Marvel. I'm Lorraine

18:41

Cink. And I'm Angelique Roche. And

18:44

we are getting into

18:46

that interview as promised with Anthony Bresnikan,

18:49

Amy Ratcliffe and Rebecca Theodore-Vachon

18:52

talking all about that beautiful Marvel

18:54

Timeline. Hello

18:58

everyone. So before we dive

19:00

in, a question that we ask all of our guests

19:03

is what is your Marvel origin story and

19:06

how did you first get into Marvel? And

19:08

why don't you introduce yourselves as well

19:11

as you give us your origin story? Oh sure.

19:14

I'm Rebecca Theodore-Vachon and

19:16

my Marvel origin story started

19:18

when I was about 11 or 12. I

19:21

had my best friend, her brother, collected

19:23

comic books. And I believe

19:25

the first Marvel comic book I ever read

19:27

was Uncanny X-Men 167.

19:30

And that was the

19:33

storyline with the Brood. It was part of the Brood saga.

19:35

And that was when Professor X had been

19:37

taken over by the Brood. And

19:40

they basically had to give him

19:42

a new cybernetic

19:43

body. And once

19:45

I read that, I was hooked. And I

19:47

became a Marvel fan after that. That's

19:49

awesome. Amy, how about you? Sure.

19:52

I'm Amy Ratcliffe. And I didn't

19:54

grow up with comics. That just wasn't

19:56

something that was in

19:57

my world. I'm from a very small rural

19:59

town. I don't even know where

20:01

I would have gotten them, thinking back. But

20:04

I knew the X-Men animated series. Once

20:06

you say those words, that theme song is just in

20:08

your head for the rest of the day, and I'm okay

20:10

with that. And then, you

20:13

know, several years after that, when the X-Men

20:15

movies started coming out, I

20:18

just kept leading into the X-Men and being really excited

20:20

about them without ever connecting that there were

20:23

comic books. So it took

20:25

a while for me to get

20:27

into comics, probably around the time the MCU

20:29

started to get to Marvel. And

20:32

I started with X-Men because

20:35

I'd spent so much of my time with them and

20:37

got lists from friends and they're like, okay, just

20:39

read Days of Future Past, read the Dark

20:41

Phoenix saga. And I'm

20:44

so glad I did. And the comics

20:46

world really opened up from there. And I discovered

20:48

Captain America and Daredevil. And

20:51

there's so many comics, did you know?

20:53

So many Marvel comics.

20:56

There are so many

20:58

comics. There are so many.

21:01

And our Marvel origin stories are actually

21:03

very similar, Amy. So I

21:06

appreciate yours on a very

21:08

personal level. Anthony, how

21:10

about

21:12

you? Yeah, hi. My name is Anthony

21:14

Bresnikand. I'm a film journalist,

21:17

television journalist, all sorts

21:19

of different kinds of entertainment, books, movies,

21:21

TV, you name it. I've been doing

21:23

it for probably 20 years.

21:26

I've been covering the Marvel Cinematic Universe

21:28

from the very beginning. So

21:31

my Marvel origin, I would say,

21:33

it was pretty loose. I was never

21:37

someone who followed every

21:39

issue religiously and followed

21:42

the connectivity of the comics. I know that's one of the

21:44

great joys of the comic books

21:46

and something the MCU emulated. I was

21:49

much more of like, hey, you've got the flu. Here

21:51

are some comic books from the 7-Eleven. And

21:55

I would read those. I read a lot. I was

21:57

really into cartoons and toys. So

22:00

the G.I. Joe and Transformers comics

22:02

that Marvel created, the Star

22:04

Wars comics that they created. I was super

22:06

into those. But again, it was much

22:08

more of like drop in and drop

22:11

out. It wasn't until I got

22:13

older and was like a teenager that

22:16

I really began reading like the

22:18

X-Men comics of the 90s that I really

22:20

loved, that everybody really loved. I

22:23

think it was Secret Wars, one of my favorites. And

22:25

I know it's one of my brother's favorites too. And when

22:28

he brought it up, I was like, oh my God, vividly

22:30

remember that issue. And it was

22:33

a Secret Wars issue, I think

22:35

later in the series, if memory serves,

22:37

where Dr. Doom is like burned

22:41

and decaying. And it's this really

22:43

striking scary image on the cover

22:45

of a comic book. And that, I've

22:48

always been a big horror fan too, so that kind of drew

22:50

me in. But I'm much more immersed in

22:52

it now as an adult, which is totally fine

22:54

by me.

22:56

All right, so speaking of continuity, you

22:58

all are the writers of the

23:01

Marvel Studios, the Marvel Cinematic

23:03

Universe, an official timeline. And

23:05

this is something that fans have been asking

23:07

for, for what feels like centuries.

23:11

So tell us how this book came

23:13

to be.

23:14

Yeah, so I got a call one day

23:16

from DK Publishing and

23:20

they said we're putting together a team.

23:23

We're putting together a group

23:25

of writers to tackle

23:28

the timeline of the MCU.

23:31

And first person I

23:33

called was Amy to say, what's

23:35

it like working on these books? Because this is the first one I've

23:37

done and she's done many of them. And

23:40

then when it came time to finding

23:43

co-writers to work with, she

23:46

was already on DK's list, she was on my

23:48

list and I added

23:51

Rebecca to that list as well, because

23:54

I know her work covering

23:56

the MCU, she's fantastic, we've

23:58

never teamed up before, although. I've

24:00

tried a bunch of different times and

24:02

she has too, but they're both wonderful

24:05

writers and it was a real pleasure to just

24:07

put this book together, look at the movies,

24:11

any of the background material that Marvel

24:13

Studios could provide us. So

24:16

our job was to find what in

24:18

the movies is hard and fast.

24:20

Where is there a date on a newspaper, on an email,

24:23

on a television screen? When does somebody mention

24:25

a date, mention a holiday, mention

24:28

this or that? Anything where you could orient

24:30

yourself in the chronology

24:33

and then use those to sort

24:38

of place

24:40

the other events that don't have like a hard and

24:42

fast date associated with them. They

24:45

don't have any documentation, right? But you know relatively when

24:47

they happen in relation to these other events. But

24:50

I would love to hear from

24:52

Rebecca and from Amy about their experience

24:54

putting it all together too.

24:56

I will kick things off and say,

24:58

and I'm sure you ran into this Rebecca

25:00

Anthony too, like what a joy it was to go

25:02

back and rewatch things and also what

25:04

a curse in some ways because

25:06

you'd be like, I just need to rewatch these

25:09

few scenes about the Battle of New York and

25:11

I'm just going to take notes. And then next thing I know,

25:13

I have watched all of the Avengers

25:17

and that happened repeatedly.

25:20

How many times did you all rewatch

25:22

these movies? A

25:25

lot. Yeah,

25:28

even before I got the project,

25:30

I mean, especially once we were in lockdown because

25:33

of the pandemic, I was visiting these movies

25:35

at least once a month. So just like,

25:37

and all of them are in Disney Plus, which is great.

25:39

That did make it very convenient. I'm like, I don't

25:41

have to get up and get out my various Blu-rays.

25:45

And especially when you're like, you know, because some of our inner

25:47

stiches, it would be about like I had one that

25:50

was about Nebula and Gamora. So it was very

25:52

easy to go to very like the various scenes

25:54

that were key to their relationship and pivotal moments.

25:57

And it was really like. the

26:00

best part about this

26:01

and it's like in addition to it being Writing

26:03

about Marvel and NCU is like kind of digging

26:06

into the character like the wise behind

26:08

things and how things play such a net People

26:10

and things play such an important role

26:12

So did you divide up your rewatching

26:14

based on like the specific pages

26:16

you were each working on there was this master

26:19

Excel sheet and then I

26:22

think we only had like

26:23

One zoom meeting when the

26:26

three of us met together and we were just basically

26:29

Parceling out like oh, I'll I'll do you

26:31

know Someone will do battle of New York.

26:33

Somebody else will do battle of Wakanda

26:35

and I had suggested Doing

26:39

a section on the friendship between

26:41

Hawkeye and Black Widow So that's

26:43

pretty much how that went and and just

26:46

for me it was I really

26:49

There were specific characters and locations

26:52

and storylines that I did want to Cover

26:54

and then there were some that were maybe a little

26:56

bit out of my comfort zone that I decided

26:59

like hey Let me do that to kind of challenge

27:01

myself. Like I did the whole section on all

27:03

of the spider-man suits

27:05

From the spider-man truly

27:08

the the latest spider-man trilogy with Tom Holland.

27:10

So that was a lot of Okay,

27:13

I was gonna say my challenge like of those

27:15

things was like I'll do the Iron Man armors were anything

27:18

related to like super Like detailed like

27:20

that or like tech. I'm just like it's a cool outfit,

27:22

right?

27:23

But there are so many different

27:25

versions and they all do different things. So

27:27

that one was a good challenge So

27:30

we've talked a lot about the various challenges that

27:32

you all faced in working with this What are you most

27:35

proud of in terms of how this book turned

27:37

out? It's just so comprehensive I

27:39

think everyone

27:40

here

27:41

Anthony and Rebecca and are

27:43

so some knowledgeable about the MCU

27:46

and have written about it, you know since it started 15 years

27:50

ago, so to be able to bring

27:52

all of that to go through so many so

27:54

many hours of stories and Capture

27:58

them in this way that is exhaustive

28:02

and is beautifully designed and very,

28:05

it's very accessible. And

28:07

you know, you're not reading

28:10

Wikipedia pages for the MCU.

28:13

And it just, I think is a beautiful

28:15

resource for hopefully

28:18

the storytellers, for fans,

28:20

certainly in my day job

28:23

as an entertainment reporter, like, I

28:25

would have killed to have this over the years.

28:28

And I think it's, I think fans are going to

28:30

be so excited to have it all laid out officially

28:33

like this. So I'm proud of just how

28:35

it came together, ultimately. Well,

28:38

agreeing with with Amy and I think

28:41

just

28:41

revisiting all of these characters

28:44

and stories. On

28:46

one level, I think the book is great

28:48

for people. I, you know, I talked to a lot of people,

28:51

you know, who have an interest in Marvel,

28:53

but then they're just like, oh my God, all these movies

28:56

are interconnected. Like, you know, I've

28:58

never watched, you know, I didn't watch Iron

29:00

Man one or two, do I need to watch, you

29:03

know, Captain America versus Avenger in order.

29:05

So I think with this book, it's

29:07

really a way to introduce people

29:10

who may have an interest in the MCU, but

29:12

may feel a little intimidated, like, oh, this is overwhelming.

29:14

Do I have to watch all of these movies?

29:17

And this is a great guide, you know,

29:19

like, I told someone, like, besides, you

29:21

know, being a great

29:21

Christmas gift for people who are MCU

29:24

fans, if you're someone who's new to the MCU,

29:26

you can like literally watch all these movies

29:28

with the book, you know, it's kind of like

29:30

a companion piece, which I think is great.

29:33

And, you know, and also

29:35

I think with the book, working

29:37

on this book, just realizing that

29:39

it's more than just like these plot

29:42

points, and it's more than just like, oh, he

29:44

has a cool costume, or these cool powers

29:46

is that these characters are

29:48

very human, and very

29:51

flawed and very complex. And, you

29:53

know, a lot of these

29:54

storylines were just really reflective

29:56

of the time, like, I remember watching WandaVision,

29:59

and we were like in what year two

30:01

of the pandemic,

30:03

and just that whole overarching

30:05

theme of grief

30:08

and pain. And

30:10

so many people had lost loved ones to

30:14

the coronavirus and everything. So it was just interesting

30:16

to see all these parallels or watching Falcon

30:18

and the Winter Soldiers

30:19

and this conversation

30:21

about patriotism and racism and

30:24

in real time and seeing BLM. And

30:26

it was just like, wow, this

30:28

was written before these things were happening. You

30:30

know what I mean? And so it's just really interesting

30:33

to see like how the MC kind of has the

30:35

pulse of what's going on and with social

30:37

issues and what's going on in our personal

30:39

lives as well. We can see a lot of ourselves

30:42

reflected in these characters.

30:46

I think for me, the

30:49

part of the process that was the most enjoyable

30:51

was rewatching everything with

30:54

my wife and my two kids. They're

30:58

gonna grow up fast. And as the MCU shows

31:00

you like 10 years plus

31:02

now can go by really quickly. And so

31:05

we've watched a lot of those movies together and

31:07

it was really fun to just revisit

31:10

them all. Like as opposed to every now and then

31:12

we would pop it and say like, let's watch Iron Man again or let's

31:14

watch Guardians again. But to just have

31:17

to go back, it was like the best homework

31:19

in the world. Just like, okay, we've

31:21

got to get about nine months to

31:23

write this. So

31:26

it wasn't one of those like smoke up Johnny things

31:29

where like, oh, I'm so sick of watching Marvel movies because

31:31

we could spread them out. And

31:33

we didn't watch them in like any chronological

31:36

order. The book was written

31:39

in chunks because I think

31:42

the first section I did was

31:45

the Guardians just as like

31:47

our test thing because those

31:49

two movies happen like right on top of each other.

31:52

And so there isn't a lot bleeding

31:54

into them. There isn't a lot happening elsewhere

31:56

in the MCU during those times. It was like those

31:58

two movies really stand.

31:59

alone,

32:01

for the most part, at least,

32:03

at least we thought so. Later

32:05

on, we may have figured out every now and then you'd figure out

32:07

like, Oh, no, this happens during that time. So we've got to

32:09

like, squeeze it in. But like, I would write sections

32:12

of the book based on the number

32:15

of movies that overlap with each other. So

32:17

I couldn't really write Civil War,

32:19

the Civil War recap blurbs without

32:23

also having my notes ready on

32:26

Black Widow because Black Widow takes

32:28

place for the most part right

32:30

after, right in the

32:32

midst of the events of Civil

32:34

War. So those had to had

32:37

to weave together. And that happened

32:40

really frequently. So I did all of that,

32:42

first, I would find like, and I would have to write David like,

32:45

Oh, I'm not ready to send this

32:47

section in yet for your editing because I

32:49

have to watch another movie because I know this fits

32:51

in here. And I'm gonna

32:54

end up changing it around anyway. So let me, you

32:56

know, figure out what, which

32:58

movies overlap with each other. And,

33:01

and then occasionally, they're sort of like breaking points, often

33:04

Avengers movies where then, okay, now

33:06

a new set of storytelling begins. And

33:08

then within all of that, the last

33:11

thing that was written was the the

33:13

early parts of the book, the pre history, because

33:16

every movie includes a mention of this

33:18

happened a million years ago, this happened 5000 years ago, this happened 600

33:20

years ago. And so all

33:26

of that stuff, it was important to have those

33:28

notes ready and then construct the pre history

33:31

and then and a lot of that is so vague

33:33

that you're really just placing it in relation

33:36

to each other rather than at a specific time.

33:39

But that was also a lot

33:41

of fun to put together and just try

33:43

to figure out where the legends

33:45

fit in where the

33:48

sort of vague descriptions of the origins of

33:50

the universe and the celestials fit in.

33:52

But but for me, that

33:55

was the most fun, but the proudest part, I think

33:57

you asked about, you know, what made us proud.

34:00

And I'm going to embarrass my co-writers,

34:02

Rebecca and Amy here by saying, I think just

34:05

working with them and we didn't,

34:07

we were like passing our copy

34:10

back and forth to each other. They did their things. I

34:12

did my things. David wove it all together

34:14

ultimately, but just seeing their

34:16

sections come in and being so

34:20

impressed by their writing and the

34:22

soulfulness and attention to detail that they

34:24

put into it, that really made me proud. We

34:27

all three know each other from like

34:30

social media and covering comic

34:32

book movies over the years, but we've never

34:34

worked together, but the two of them

34:36

are really good friends and they're amazing

34:39

journalists. And we were sort of like

34:42

superhero war correspondence together, all

34:44

covering different sections of the universe,

34:47

but contributing back to the same, it was like

34:49

working at the same newspaper. I love

34:51

that.

34:52

I love that. I love that. Well,

34:54

thank you all so much for coming to talk

34:56

to me this afternoon. I am so excited

34:59

for folks to get to read the book and have

35:01

all of their questions answered and maybe discover

35:04

some questions they didn't know they had. Thank you.

35:07

Thanks for having us, Ellie. Yeah,

35:09

thank you.

35:12

That was our

35:13

friend, our colleague, the

35:16

amazing Ellie Powell talking to Anthony Brezvacan,

35:18

Amy Radcliffe and Rebecca Theodore Vachon

35:21

about their brand new book, Marvel Studios

35:23

and Marvel Cinematic Universe, an official timeline

35:25

which is available now wherever

35:28

books are sold. So go check that out.

35:32

All right. You know what time it is.

35:34

It is time for some community.

35:37

It's this week in messages.

35:40

So our guest next week is the multi

35:42

award winning British composer Natalie Holt,

35:45

who's going to join us to chat about her work on

35:47

Marvel Studios, Loki and how its score

35:49

has evolved throughout its second season.

35:52

The series is phenomenal. Can't wait for that. But

35:55

until then, we want to know what

35:57

is your favorite score with in

36:00

the Marvel Cinematic Universe, you know,

36:02

that beautiful backing music that makes us

36:05

feel all of the feels.

36:06

Oh, I already know this answer.

36:08

There's so many good ones, but personally,

36:11

just like the Avengers theme. It's

36:13

so iconic. Like you just can't argue

36:16

it. I would have to say it's

36:20

Marvel Studios Thor Ragnarok. I

36:23

like it. It is just enough

36:25

and a second winner

36:28

up would have to be Marvel Studios Gardens

36:30

of the Galaxy Volume 3. Oh,

36:32

the music. All my feelings. So

36:34

good. All my feelings. But of course, tell us what's

36:36

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read the show. I'm going to read the show. I'm going to read the

36:45

show. I'm going to read the show. I'm going to read the show.

36:48

I'm going to read the show. So, last week's question

36:50

of the week, favorite era on the

36:52

MCU timeline. And

37:07

y'all

37:07

have some answers.

37:09

Heck yeah. First up, we got Airbay Dorothea

37:12

at Airbay underscore Excelsior, who said, My

37:14

favorite era in the Marvel Cinematic Universe is Fury's

37:17

big week in which all the heroes come

37:19

band together to stop Loki, assemble

37:21

the Avengers for the first time during the Battle of New

37:23

York and save the day. Hey, sometimes

37:26

you just can't argue with the classics. Yeah, no,

37:28

that's simple, straightforward. And

37:31

it's that moment. It's that moment when it all begins.

37:33

So we have Super Seven Five

37:36

at Super Seven Five. My favorite

37:38

era of the MCU

37:39

is World War II. I love

37:41

the

37:41

foundation set in Cap, first Avenger.

37:44

My favorite MCU movie. And

37:46

although it's set in an alternate reality, I was so

37:48

happy to revisit that era in the Captain

37:50

Carter episode of What If.

37:52

Oh, it's such a good episode. Love

37:55

that.

37:56

We also got an email answering

37:58

last week's question. Question of the Week. Hi,

38:02

all three of us share the same joy from

38:04

NYCC News. Two words,

38:07

infinity, pause. Chewy,

38:10

lucky, alligator, Loki, and Jeff?

38:13

So glad we're on Marvel Unlimited.

38:16

Yours, Heather, Fiona, and

38:18

Nolan. Aw, thank y'all.

38:21

It's so lovely to hear from your little family. It's

38:23

been a minute since I've been on the show, and it's so

38:25

nice to hear from you guys. It's always nice to

38:27

hear from everybody, and it's so nice

38:29

to be back. It's so nice to have you back.

38:33

I'll be in and out on the show popping in from

38:35

time to time to say hello and hang out with

38:37

Ryan and Angelique. So I'm glad

38:40

to be back. Come say hi. But

38:43

until next time, this episode of This

38:45

Week

38:45

in Marvel was produced by

38:46

Jasmine Estrada, Isabelle Robertson, Lorraine

38:49

Cink, Ryan Penagos, and Angelique

38:51

Broché. Our senior manager of

38:53

audio production and development is for pal

38:55

Fred Barton. Emily Godfrey is our

38:58

production manager. And special thanks

39:00

to Jeff the Landshark. Hey, a shark

39:02

with legs? What's next? So like, that's

39:05

it. I'm Lorraine. I'm Angelique.

39:07

And this is Marvel.

39:07

Your universe.