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Hello! Marvelites are listening

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to This Week in Marvel, episode number 629. I'm

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Ryan Penagos, aka Agent

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M. And I am Angelic

0:49

Roshay! What is up, Ryan Penagos?

0:53

All the things, all the things, all the things. Busy,

0:55

busy week, wonderful stuff. You've got cool

0:57

secret stuff that you're working on. You've got fun stuff

0:59

happening all over Marvel because

1:01

this is the official Marvel podcast where

1:04

we get to talk about all the things happening this

1:06

week in Marvel.

1:07

Later on in the episode, we're talking to

1:09

the one, the only, one of the

1:11

greats, one of our faves, Torin Grunbeck, about

1:15

carnage. About

1:17

what are we talking about, Ryan? Carnage!

1:21

So well done. Thanks.

1:25

Happy Marvels Week! But

1:29

for those of you who have been underneath the rock, Marvel Studios, the

1:31

Marvels is out right now, only in theaters. And

1:34

for those of you

1:36

who want to get geared up, the final

1:38

trailer is now up on YouTube and all of the Marvel social

1:40

channels. Earlier

1:42

this week, we caught up with

1:43

Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige during the Las Vegas special

1:46

screening event for the Marvels. Here's

1:51

what he had to say about bringing Carol Danvers,

1:53

Monica Rambo, and Kamala Khan together

1:55

for the first time. You know, something

1:57

I love about all the Marvel characters and the Avengers.

1:59

in particular is you

2:02

team up a bunch of people that really have no business being

2:04

together together. And while these

2:06

characters, Carol and Monica,

2:08

have a history together, Kamala certainly

2:10

is a huge fan of Carol, but has

2:13

never met her before. And the circumstances

2:15

right at the top of this movie that literally forced them

2:17

into contact with one another is what is so

2:20

fun and just sets the movie off right from the start.

2:22

There have been a lot of rumors about new characters, a lot

2:24

of hints at new characters. To me the fun is

2:27

in the title, is the Marvels, seeing those three characters

2:29

together, and then people will see

2:31

what they discover when they watch the

2:33

film. We also caught up with

2:35

the director of the Marvels, Nia DaCosta.

2:38

Here's what she had to say about working with the

2:40

actresses behind the titular heroes. It

2:43

was great. I mean, one of my favorite things about

2:45

directing is working with actors, and these

2:47

three are not only amazing actors, but they're amazing

2:49

people. So it actually just makes my job so

2:51

much easier when I can walk onto set. Everyone's

2:54

not only going to do an amazing job, but also care

2:56

about the crew, care about each other, and

2:59

make this experience really joyful.

2:59

And as for the grand reprisal

3:02

of one cat actor? Cat

3:05

actor? Cat actor? This

3:08

is a reprisal in the film. It's pretty

3:11

amazing. I mean, Goose was

3:13

played by Nemo and Tango in the film, and

3:16

I learned so much about Kat. Spending so much time with Nemo

3:18

and Tango and also the four kittens was really amazing.

3:21

You're gonna get so much more Goose,

3:23

and you're gonna get so much more of her background in her

3:25

future. No spoilers. Yeah,

3:27

you know, there's a lot of really cool stuff in this,

3:29

so do your best to avoid the spoilers,

3:32

and please also

3:33

be respectful of your other fellow

3:35

Marvelites. Don't spoil them. It's

3:37

really fun. Like, this movie is

3:39

so much fun, and of course I have to mention,

3:43

sometimes I shouldn't have to mention it, but I feel like

3:45

I should stay through past

3:47

the full credits, of course.

3:50

There's some fun stuff. That

3:53

being said, to commemorate such an incredible

3:55

week, we get a lot of Marvel news

3:57

about the Marvel. including

4:00

higher, further, faster, Marvel

4:02

Snap new season announcement. That's

4:05

right. New cards that add

4:07

some interesting moves, destruction,

4:10

and power buffing mechanics with

4:13

the one the only Ms. Marvel, Gladiator,

4:17

and Annihilus.

4:18

Yes, and Mar-er,

4:21

also known as Phyla Vel, just one of the best.

4:24

We love Phyla Vel here. She's

4:26

super cool. But there's also new

4:28

locations in the higher, further, faster season

4:31

for Marvel Snap. The Nour Dimension

4:33

adds a Jhin card to your hand every

4:35

time you play a card here, which then gives

4:37

you plus two energy next

4:39

turn. And then Tarnax IV is

4:42

another new location, so after you play a card here, transform

4:44

it into another card of the same cost.

4:47

Some really fun stuff happening this season. And

4:49

also there's gonna be a big Peach Momoko

4:52

takeover of the shop, adding 22

4:57

22. Brand new variants. I'm

4:59

so excited about these cards.

5:00

I am also excited about Marvel

5:02

Strike Force Assemble, the Marvels

5:05

event, because again we are celebrating

5:08

all the things. The

5:10

Marvels. So, uh, strike

5:12

commanders are needed for this important upcoming

5:14

assignment. So you're gonna be joining Ms. Marvel,

5:17

Hard Light, Photon, and

5:20

Captain Marvel on their important quest to stop

5:22

a new cosmic threat. Because why

5:25

else would you need these three baddies to come

5:27

in? It's just gonna be dope.

5:29

There are several missions. If

5:32

you are familiar with Strike Force, you know there

5:34

are certain rules that go with each one of

5:36

the missions. Mission 1 is no restrictions.

5:39

You've got either Ms. Marvel or Ms. Marvel, Hard

5:43

Light. And make sure you

5:45

go check out for every single mission. There's a total of five.

5:48

You'll be able to go through and see the different

5:51

restrictions and modifications

5:54

that you can do. And, and,

5:57

on top of saving the whole universe, like

5:59

the whole universe. You'll be rewarded

6:01

with five red stars for both Ms.

6:03

Marvel and Captain Marvel as well

6:05

as loads of gear So make

6:07

sure you're ready for this assemble the Marvel's begins

6:10

on November 9th. That means it's already

6:12

started It's already started right

6:14

now. It started yesterday at 1 p.m So

6:17

like go check it out. Make sure you're getting

6:19

those stars and just have loads

6:21

of fun like I did on

6:24

this week's women of Marvel episode Yes,

6:28

the women of Marvel episode out this week

6:31

has our wonderful hosts talking

6:33

about the second of three Marvel's Monica

6:35

Rambeau So we've course got you

6:38

Angelique a Monica. I wouldn't

6:40

even call you a superfan. I'm calling you a Monica expert

6:43

Yep,

6:44

legit. Thank you Ryan

6:45

and this week in Marvel co-hosts You

6:48

join Ellie and pre-thea to talk about

6:50

why Monica is one of the most powerful Heroes

6:52

in the Marvel universe like she

6:55

could do all kinds of stuff y'all you're gonna hear

6:57

all the things You're gonna hear about it on women of Marvel We'll

6:59

also hear from writer Eve Ewing actress Tiana

7:01

Paris about how Monica maintains

7:04

her humanity with the help of her family and Community

7:07

this episode is out right now and

7:09

the first nine episodes of the season alongside

7:12

it wherever you get your pods This

7:15

week Lego has revealed a brand

7:17

new iconic Avengers tower

7:20

set this piece

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set stands as the tallest

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Lego brick built skyscraper ever

7:30

made and also includes Lego

7:34

figures the most ever included

7:37

in one Lego set including all

7:40

the iconic characters from the infinity saga

7:42

as well as a Leviathan

7:45

the Quinjet to Chitauri

7:47

flyers plus an exclusive Lego

7:49

minifigure of Marvel Studios president Kevin

7:51

Feige the tower build also

7:54

includes Authentic action on every floor

7:56

all kinds of cool stuff. It stands more than 35

8:00

point five inches that's just

8:02

about three feet tall it's wild the model

8:05

is filled to the roof with memorable scenes

8:07

an all-star cast of characters and

8:10

in addition from november 24th through

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the 27th lego insiders

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members will receive a free lego

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marvel taxi set which includes an iconic

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minifigures including black panther a taxi

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driver and two outriders when they

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purchase the lego marvel avengers tower

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dash tower

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earlier this week fans got a glimpse

8:41

of the brand new cover

8:42

for cosplay the marvel way a guide

8:44

to costuming culture and

8:45

crafting basics and

8:48

it's so cool like i there's such an

8:50

art to cosplay and the way everything

8:52

comes in but cosplay the marvel

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way is a guide to costuming culture and crafting

8:57

basics in

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an officially licensed

9:02

guide to learning about

9:05

and creating

9:05

marvel cosplay

9:06

what i love is that it is also

9:09

written by the co-creator of the women of

9:11

marvel podcast also a dope

9:14

and a very

9:15

experienced cosplayer judy

9:17

stevens make sure you head over to marvel.com

9:20

to peep the cover and be sure to pre-order

9:22

it and get your copy today because i know judy

9:24

judy

9:24

is going to be talking to all the big

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hitters and bringing in all the dope information

9:29

um the

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book is actually available june 18th

9:33

wherever books are sold this

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week we're talking about a new episode of

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marvel move the running audio

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uh we've got episode 12 of thor and

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loki trials of the 10 realms uh this

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one is called the tower of great light because you

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are joining thor and loki and teaming

9:52

up with eden of uh

9:55

the vanier you're in vanaheim um

9:57

eden being an awesome awesome character she's

9:59

super There's a very creepy

10:02

episode where you're navigating through darkness

10:04

and really cool sound design

10:06

for monsters and all the big problems

10:09

plaguing the Ten Realms. I

10:11

hope you check this one out. It is the

10:14

story-based version of our 5K

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training story. So very

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cool. Get Marvel Move on

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right, let's get to some comic stuff. We've

10:27

got an announcement this week of Giant Size

10:29

Fantastic Four number one, featuring

10:33

the goat

10:34

Namor. Namor in

10:36

this book. So he is

10:38

imprisoned, serving out his sentence

10:41

as the disgraced King of Atlantis, but an

10:43

ancient threat arises from the sea

10:46

and we need some help from the Fantastic

10:48

Four. This issue is going to be written by Fabian De Sieza

10:51

and art by Kreef Lee. All

10:54

right, Fabian. Yeah, love

10:56

to see him

10:58

back doing some cool stuff for Marvel. It

11:01

also includes a reprint of Fantastic

11:03

Four number 33, a very classic issue

11:05

from the Lee Kirby era. So

11:08

you got some Atlantean stuff in there. This

11:10

issue is coming February 2024. You

11:13

can get some more details and information over on Marvel.com.

11:16

Up next, I've got a very exciting announcement and

11:19

here to help me talk about it is writer

11:21

Jay Hultham. That's right. You've

11:24

got some exciting news to share with us about a particular

11:26

new warrior making a return.

11:29

What are you doing now?

11:31

I am doing a four issue

11:33

Night Thrasher modern

11:36

day mini series for

11:38

the Marvels. I'm very excited to be

11:41

bringing him back into the full fold.

11:44

Oh my God. Okay,

11:47

so I know and you

11:49

know, and those of us who

11:51

were there in the 90s know, who is

11:56

Night Thrasher and

11:58

what's your history?

11:59

with the character look like. I mean

12:02

Night Thrasher is, I

12:05

mean it's all right there right? Rich family,

12:07

parents dead, father

12:09

figure steps in and trains him up to

12:11

be the ultimate fighter and then sends

12:14

him out in the street to beat up gangs. But

12:16

then of course it turns out that father figure

12:19

is dirty and actually

12:21

killed his parents and there's a lot there's

12:23

a lot of drama here. Very 90s,

12:25

very the real world, very very

12:27

new warriors you know. I mean

12:30

which was literally a reality show.

12:32

I mean sadly most importantly that they're

12:34

remembered for is they blew up Stanford,

12:37

killed a bunch of people including almost

12:40

all the new warriors. So a bunch of them turned

12:43

out to not be dead and have come back since

12:45

and one of those that was dead and then

12:48

kind of came back was our boy Night Thrasher

12:51

brought back in the contest of champions and honestly that's

12:53

sort of where I entered into it. Like my

12:56

90s comments were all over the place but

12:59

I also play Marvel's contest of champions and

13:01

he's in that and like it's really exciting and he's

13:03

really fun and I got to like

13:05

go back and read some of those new warriors which is

13:08

all great.

13:10

Just 90s, everyone's

13:12

got pockets and guns and belts

13:14

all over. So many pockets, so many belts,

13:17

so many skateboards,

13:19

so much love. At some point there

13:21

like is a TV VJ

13:24

that's announcing this new team

13:27

and you've got all this like very MTV-esque

13:30

vibe going on and for

13:32

the record he also loved some

13:34

sweet silhouette who I

13:37

will have to say one of the

13:39

baddest

13:39

superheroes.

13:40

So bad, so awesome and I'm

13:44

super super excited to get to work with her and

13:46

with Night Thrasher. Oh

13:48

yeah. Wait, what

13:49

can fans come to expect

13:51

in this new series?

13:52

Are

13:55

our bays back together again?

13:57

I mean they'll be they're

13:59

in the story.

13:59

together. Are they back together? We'll

14:02

find out.

14:03

So Night Thrasher actually

14:05

hasn't had a solo series since the

14:07

90s. You know, for you, you clearly

14:10

love this character.

14:10

Why do you feel

14:12

like now is the perfect time for Night Thrasher

14:15

to make his return? I mean,

14:18

in all of the ways, like one, obviously there's a

14:20

ton of 90s nostalgia floating around. It just feels

14:22

like a dude on a skateboard is always going to be

14:25

cool and it's fun. But I'm really coming at

14:27

it from that place of what

14:29

I mean, I'm from the 90s and I have aged

14:32

and there's a lot in this that is about like, what's your

14:34

legacy? What have you left behind? You know,

14:36

especially because we haven't seen him

14:39

for a while. So I was like, we haven't seen him because he's

14:41

been gone. He had to go on like a journey

14:44

of self discovery and like hung

14:46

out other places for a while to like process

14:49

that I was dead, then I wasn't dead. And

14:51

then like, what's the world like?

14:54

So it's mostly about him coming home to

14:56

like deal with the crap that he has not dealt

14:58

with.

14:59

So I mean, he clearly

15:01

was dealing with a lot of that before he died.

15:04

You know, how does

15:06

this iteration of the character different

15:09

from what's come before?

15:12

I'm taking the real like old

15:14

gunfighter, I've laid it down.

15:17

This ain't my fight anymore. At

15:19

the start of this and then he comes

15:21

back home because someone close to him has died. I'm

15:24

the toilet. Now it's not silhouette. She's

15:27

very much alive. Very

15:29

much present.

15:30

We were gonna have a fight. Oh, no, I wouldn't like I

15:32

love you. But that was gonna never never

15:34

even a thought.

15:36

But I like he comes back. He's got to face silhouette again.

15:38

He's got to face what Harlem has become since

15:40

he's been gone because he was very based in Harlem.

15:43

And like, I will admit to there's a lot

15:45

of me as a guy who like left New York, moved

15:48

out to LA and goes back and everything has changed,

15:51

you know. And so taking

15:53

that tack with him of like, at the beginning

15:55

of this, he's like, I think I'm

15:57

done with all that. And then yeah, wouldn't

15:59

you know?

16:00

you get sucked right back in.

16:02

Talk to me a little bit about the new design

16:05

and does it involve a

16:08

skateboard? There's

16:10

always gonna be a skateboard, but you know, he's got

16:12

his Eskrima battling sticks

16:14

and it just was like, let's streamline this armor.

16:17

And I also wanted to like have an armor

16:20

that a new sort of mask for him that

16:22

like showed some of his skin. Cause a lot of this,

16:25

you know, you know me, you know how

16:27

I roll. There's always, there's always gonna be

16:29

a little, let's respond to current events

16:32

feature of this. And

16:34

a lot of this is about like black Harlem and what

16:36

it's like to be black. And, you know,

16:39

having superheroes who are clearly

16:41

black, whether or not you know their identity, I

16:43

think is a good thing in

16:46

this day and age. And so wanting to make

16:48

sure that that is part of his identity

16:50

and part of what is going on here, you

16:53

know?

16:53

What are you

16:55

most excited for people to

16:58

get to read in this new

16:59

series? Oh man, I'm excited for you to see

17:01

all of it. I'm excited for you to meet my

17:03

new villain, a character that we're

17:06

calling the OG, who

17:09

is fun and fierce and

17:11

may just lay a serious beat down on

17:14

somebody who's Jango Nuna. Cause everyday

17:16

looks like it's arms day. Oh

17:19

yeah, oh man, he is.

17:20

I'm looking at this design right now and it's like

17:23

everyday

17:23

is arms day. He is jacked.

17:26

So I'm excited for y'all to get to meet him and see him

17:28

in action. And excited for you to take this journey

17:31

with Dwayne. It's like, I know

17:33

it's cheesy and all, but this like journey

17:35

of self-discovery that he goes on. This

17:38

like facing his past, facing

17:40

what he's run away from and being like, all

17:42

right, I have to actually deal with this and find another

17:44

way to

17:45

like exist in the world. I'm

17:47

excited for folks that get to see the series.

17:51

Night Thrasher number one of four is

17:53

available February 14th, 2024. But

17:56

before then you can go to marvel.com to find out some

17:59

more cool stuff. put it on your pool list and

18:01

also You can check

18:03

out some of J Holton's other work

18:06

on a Marvel Unlimited

18:07

also, also also We've

18:10

got to definitely tell y'all

18:12

about the brand new arc of X-Men unlimited

18:15

the Marvel Infinity comic series because

18:18

Features fire star to tie in

18:20

to the fall of X we

18:22

get our favorite Angelica Jones

18:25

in it fire star She

18:27

is in it deep y'all if you have not been

18:29

paying attention She is basically

18:32

agent Angelica Jones of Orcus

18:35

doing a very deep undercover

18:37

mission For the one and only

18:39

Jean Grey so things are going really

18:41

wild You could see this unfolding in the pages

18:44

of the main X-Men book, but now also in

18:46

X-Men unlimited This is written by Steve

18:48

Fox and Steve Orlando with art by Guillermo

18:51

Sana Of course this storyline starts

18:53

in X-Men unlimited number 112 and

18:55

only available on Marvel unlimited right

18:57

now and If you

18:59

want some more cool stuff, maybe some Some

19:04

some final thoughts and look back some Discussions

19:08

about things how about Marvel

19:10

Studios Loki season 2 because episode 6

19:13

is that this week and y'all Was

19:15

final shots this episode living rent-free

19:17

in my head. It's very exciting But

19:20

I am not gonna spoil a ding-dang thing

19:23

for all of you I think it's gonna be one of those

19:25

series that you've watched week to week to

19:27

week and then now all at once Maybe

19:30

you watch it again. See how it all Fits

19:33

together. It is pretty

19:35

cool. It'd

19:35

be cool

19:37

Alright, it's a new year. That

19:39

means new MCU series and

19:41

that includes one. We've all

19:43

been waiting for that's Marvel Studios echo

19:46

launching January 10th 2024 you

19:48

have not long

19:50

to wait With a simultaneous

19:53

launch on Disney Plus and Hulu

19:56

echo kicks off the new year with all

19:58

five episodes

20:00

dropping at launch. Maya

20:03

Lopez, played by the

20:06

incredibly talented Alaqua Cox,

20:08

she's pursued by Wilson Fisk, and

20:11

played by the one, the only, Vincent

20:14

D'Onofrio and his criminal

20:16

empire. When the journey brings

20:18

her home, she must confront her family and

20:21

her legacy. There's gonna be a lot

20:23

of digging into Echo's heritage, her

20:26

background, things she wouldn't know,

20:29

being raised by Wilson Fisk. And

20:31

again,

20:32

all five episodes will stream on January

20:34

10th on both platforms, and they'll

20:37

also be available on Hulu

20:39

until April 9th. And

20:42

as you mentioned, the trailer is now up on

20:44

YouTube, over on Marvel.com, our social channels.

20:47

There's a really cool brand new poster. So

20:50

that is pretty neat. And one thing we learned about

20:52

this was there was a story on Marvel.com, Anjali,

20:55

that Marvel Studios' Echo is also

20:57

the first under the Marvel

21:00

Spotlight banner. There's a great quote from Brad

21:02

Winterbaum, who is the head of streaming

21:04

for Marvel Studios. He

21:07

said, "'Marvel Spotlight' gives us a

21:09

platform to bring more grounded, character-driven

21:11

stories to the screen, and in the case of

21:14

Echo, focusing on street-level stakes

21:16

over larger MCU continuity.

21:18

Just like comics fans don't need to read Avengers

21:20

or Fantastic Four to enjoy a Ghostwriter

21:23

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22:42

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22:49

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25:15

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25:38

and I'm on Julie crochet yes, and it's

25:40

time for some card I

25:43

mean

25:43

you're so good at that. How do you do that? Yeah,

25:46

yeah, are you hurting?

25:48

Listening to death metal there. I was 12 years

25:50

old It's

25:53

trained those vocal vocal

25:56

ranges

25:56

Yeah

25:59

Speaking of training, we have an

26:02

absolutely brilliant writer

26:04

who's going to be coming on. I

26:07

have loved Torin since

26:10

reading about

26:12

the Valkyries.

26:14

And so when I heard that Torin Rumbek

26:17

was going to be writing Carnage, I was

26:20

like,

26:23

rrrr? But as you will hear

26:25

in just a moment when you listen

26:27

to this interview, there is no one

26:30

more equipped

26:32

to write Carnage than

26:34

Torin. But don't take my

26:36

word for it. Let's check out that interview.

26:41

You have written a number

26:44

of comics, right? And normally,

26:46

when I've seen your name, it is

26:50

to do with Norse

26:52

mythology. It is to do

26:54

with Loki, Thor.

26:59

And when I saw your name, and

27:02

next to it it said

27:03

Carnage.

27:07

It was kind of like, whaaaaa?

27:10

The horrible thing

27:13

is, everyone who has ever

27:15

met me and spent time with me goes, oh,

27:17

that checks out. That makes sense.

27:19

Which is horrible. You

27:21

know what, it's okay. It's

27:24

okay. Because you know what? Most

27:27

people don't know I love vampires and werewolves

27:29

and tarot cards. So it's totally fine.

27:32

Everybody's got their something. But

27:35

for folks who may have only

27:38

seen your work and your writing, it's kind of like,

27:41

huh.

27:42

Well, the thing is in half. Okay.

27:45

Well, and what is horrifying though is

27:48

I've written a bunch of Jane Foster now. And

27:52

Jane Foster is sort of the best of all of

27:54

us. Yeah. And now

27:56

she's got this beautiful fan base

27:58

of people who are just...

27:59

like they truly love

28:02

and respect the character. I try

28:04

so hard to make sure that they are happy. I'm

28:07

trying to sort of write something that will

28:09

make sense in a like, this

28:11

is what Jane

28:12

Foster, the heartful, lovely person

28:14

would do. It's not what I would have done. And I

28:17

find like writing

28:19

Cletus Cassady comes

28:22

disturbingly easy to me. Like

28:25

it's, I don't know, he makes

28:27

some good points is what I'm saying. Well,

28:30

that's the interesting thing. So I

28:32

kind of want to take a step back

28:33

for

28:35

folks who

28:37

may be new to the Venom and Carnage

28:41

or like old, right? Because like there is a,

28:44

there's a huge gap, right? Like you like, okay,

28:46

black suit, black suit is

28:49

an alien. Alien is

28:51

a symbiote, symbiote gets passed on and

28:54

then Carnage comes into

28:56

play, right? And Carnage finds

28:59

their way to a psychopath.

29:03

Yeah.

29:03

To like a

29:04

serial killer who is at

29:07

the time in prison, when

29:09

Carnage meets Cletus Cassady.

29:12

And I think unlike, well, I think

29:14

you can say that Venom and Eddie Brock sort

29:17

of belongs together in many ways. But oh, yeah,

29:19

because like Eddie Brock is that type of dude,

29:21

right? Like regardless, and not,

29:24

we're not even, we're talking like original Eddie Brock,

29:26

like Eddie Brock

29:27

and Venom deserved each other.

29:29

Yes, very much so. When I think

29:32

that you see the symbiotes

29:34

sort of pass to different people

29:37

and it sort of works, but I think

29:39

Carnage works best

29:40

when they

29:42

or it or whatever we call like,

29:45

Carnage and Cletus are like

29:47

one, and it makes sense

29:50

in a sort of horrible, lovely way. And

29:53

I want to take a step back because this

29:56

book is really taking it to the next level because

29:59

I think

29:59

Carnage and Cletus were one and

30:02

now Carnage

30:02

is a whole different level

30:05

Yeah, car carnage has and

30:08

I guess this actually does make sense when we

30:10

talk about Nora's mythology. He has God

30:12

leveled up But

30:15

I what I want to take a step back though because you're

30:17

really excited about this like I

30:19

hear it in your voice Can get it

30:22

you like tell tell me one. How

30:24

did this happen? What

30:27

were your thoughts when you get offered this

30:29

and and and why are you so

30:31

excited?

30:33

Listen, I was writing venom at the time

30:35

and and Devin was We

30:37

were talking about carnage. In fact, would you

30:39

be interested? And I thought about for

30:41

a little while and I went back

30:43

and I read all the 90s comics

30:45

that like the 90s Cletus

30:48

Cassidy nonsense comics. I was

30:50

like, yeah, I love this character. I truly

30:53

In like I have no defense I can't

30:56

explain why like it

30:58

so we all were problematic

31:00

right and he's just

31:01

it He's

31:03

just so good and it's

31:04

so raw and it feels Especially

31:08

like in this world today right now when

31:10

everything sort of is pulling to

31:13

par I have two pieces in a variety

31:15

I don't even know but What

31:18

I started writing it I was sort of surprised

31:20

at how just easily it all came

31:23

like it was just I'm Enjoying

31:25

it to the point where I'm

31:28

a little terrified and usually when I write

31:30

things it you know when you write

31:32

things you have to get in the mood somehow

31:34

and you have to Because every

31:36

time you write anything

31:38

in your head, it's perfect and whatever is on the

31:40

page It's so it's always gonna be like

31:43

a shadow or whatever you had that was

31:45

brilliant and fantastic in your head And

31:48

it's always a pain. Well, at least to me like

31:50

I need to sort of yeah Not

31:53

with carnage. I can just I can sit down

31:55

any anywhere anytime and write some

31:58

pages of cards and I just I'm enjoying

31:59

every moment, there is

32:02

a sort of horrible sense

32:05

to Cletus Cassidy. And

32:06

what's going on here is that Carnage

32:09

for the past,

32:12

for a little while now, he's been trying

32:14

to level up, as

32:18

you say, trying to get rid

32:20

of every weakness and see

32:23

how powerful could I get. And

32:26

if I am all

32:28

powerful, would it make me a god? But

32:31

Cletus Cassidy wasn't necessarily

32:34

in on the plan. So

32:39

Carnage is alone. He begins the story

32:41

alone and is trying to figure out, so

32:44

am I a god? What makes a god? And

32:47

if I am a god, what kind

32:49

of god am I? And

32:51

I'm not going to spoil how, but let's just say, he

32:53

finds his way back to Cletus. And

32:58

Cletus takes on the responsibility

33:01

of figuring out what

33:02

the scripture according to Carnage

33:05

would be. I mean, does he take

33:07

on the responsibility? I mean, I'm not going to

33:09

spoil anything, but I feel like Cletus doesn't

33:11

have a

33:13

say in any

33:15

of this. Oh, no.

33:18

But I mean, he's not complaining.

33:20

But

33:22

that's the thing. I

33:26

think they go at it with the delight

33:28

and with joy.

33:29

They try to solve the problem

33:31

and try to figure out what would they

33:34

be and what would the

33:36

world today, what kind of god

33:38

would they need. And I think what Cletus

33:41

is trying to say that I am already your god.

33:43

Look around you.

33:44

I am already your god. You just haven't.

33:47

You're just pretending otherwise, right?

33:50

And in a world like in the Marvel universe, everyone

33:52

knows that there are gods, right?

33:55

So there wouldn't necessarily be

33:57

a bunch of people who would try to exploit it. We

33:59

would. try to pretend to be gods. And

34:03

there is a certain,

34:05

he's playing around, we're trying to figure

34:07

out what it would take to get

34:09

a proper following, sort of the idea

34:12

of belief

34:14

in faith. Because if you just wanted

34:16

to be a cult leader, he could be a cult leader, but he

34:18

would have to be present. And he wouldn't take

34:21

any particular, like

34:23

faith in itself, because people would

34:25

see him as the miracle he is.

34:28

I think Richard mentioned that, our

34:30

hero

34:32

is Flash Thompson, who

34:34

is, yes,

34:36

I love Flash, who is

34:39

so far the only one who sort of

34:41

caught on to

34:42

the actual danger at hand. And

34:45

he's sort of following the internet

34:49

and the social media and watching

34:53

Carnage's influence in real

34:55

time and see how people are interpreting.

34:58

His words, which is sort of

35:01

what people are doing in religion in general,

35:03

right? They get scripture, they interpret

35:05

it, and then they go out and do something.

35:09

And Colides is toying

35:12

and playing around with a mystery, with

35:14

a pattern making, with trying

35:17

to make people as

35:19

interested as possible. I

35:23

mean, by the most horrible,

35:25

horrible means possible, but

35:29

still there is a sort of, it's trying

35:31

to poke at the

35:35

hysteria, the fact that like a

35:37

televised

35:37

murder will

35:39

necessarily get more attention. That's

35:42

like 400

35:42

people dying quietly somewhere,

35:44

right? And

35:46

he's sort of trying to

35:48

point out the hypocrisy in

35:50

everyone

35:51

that we sort of keep seeing

35:53

and we keep talking about, but we just, we can't

35:55

help ourselves as we

35:56

get to sort of the spectacle

35:58

of

35:59

something. We keep biting. And

36:01

he is very much just playing

36:04

around with his food. And

36:07

there is,

36:07

I think, we

36:09

do see, we

36:12

get a sense,

36:13

at least for a little bit, about the

36:15

online people. And

36:19

I'm personally exceptionally

36:21

fascinated by these tiny

36:23

online communities who will

36:27

make up things as

36:30

facts, and be it

36:33

conspiracies, theories,

36:35

or what kind of vitamins

36:38

you're supposed to take. It fascinates

36:40

me how insular

36:43

these echo chambers have become.

36:46

And it's especially interesting in

36:48

the spiritual

36:48

side of it, when

36:51

you have people preaching.

36:53

And I mean,

36:56

particularly young white

36:58

people who would maybe

37:01

usually have been a Christian, but now they're

37:04

out there trying to find some kind

37:07

of spiritual something. And

37:10

I find it interesting to see, when

37:12

I

37:13

scroll through TikTok, just

37:15

the level of nonsense. And

37:17

I also see, we can use this. Well,

37:20

and I think it's interesting, because it

37:22

is a very modernized look

37:24

at what it would be

37:26

to have a Cletus Cassady

37:29

in 2023. What

37:31

does it look like

37:32

when you are

37:35

shifting based on society

37:37

and culture? And I think it's interesting

37:40

also, because it's seamless. You

37:42

and you

37:44

all seem like

37:46

a match made in heaven. Every

37:49

panel, the

37:51

level of

37:54

shock with each thing,

37:58

how did? your first

38:00

like, is this your first book

38:03

together?

38:04

Oh yeah, and Perry

38:06

he emailed me and said hey, if

38:09

possible, you

38:11

can let me loose on the action pages, you can just

38:14

write as loosely as you'd like. And

38:17

what I usually do is I'll write a full script,

38:20

but I'll let the artists do whatever they want. And

38:23

with Perry, it was, I

38:24

think, the second

38:27

page, the first page is beautiful,

38:29

the second page I was like, oh, this is exactly

38:32

what I had in my

38:33

mind. So the scripts are pretty

38:35

sparse,

38:35

he just gets it, and

38:38

he sort of, he nails both the gore

38:40

and the horror and the just awfulness

38:42

of it all, but he also nails

38:45

the expressions that I think are

38:47

exceptionally important in this. And

38:50

there are subtle things like Flash goes

38:52

through, he's dealing with depression,

38:55

he's dealing with a sort of specific kind

38:57

of sadness that men, especially

38:59

men like Flash wouldn't

39:02

necessarily show, and

39:04

he communicates that

39:06

kind of gloominess.

39:10

It's just,

39:13

every panel is

39:15

exactly what I wanted it to be. So

39:19

I mean,

39:20

I think the only thing we've changed,

39:22

like we've gone back and be like, hey, we need to change

39:25

that, it was whatever we went, one

39:27

bridge too far, like one, we

39:29

need to remove that intestine, like we need

39:32

to... I was gonna say, there were

39:34

guts and insides of

39:35

people that were strewn across like walls

39:37

at that point. Yeah.

39:39

But I mean, we

39:42

do have at some point, a brain

39:44

is eaten from the skull, and

39:46

somehow we get away with it, like, I don't know. And

39:50

he makes Cleed his little

39:52

hearts in a way, like you can't help

39:54

but like him too, like and it's just,

39:58

I don't know.

39:59

Oh my

40:02

god. So you've also worked a

40:04

bit on Venom recently. What

40:06

can you tell us about your most recent

40:09

run featuring,

40:11

you know, Venom?

40:12

Well, we're doing,

40:15

um, it's just we're having,

40:17

I'm just, I'm having the best time.

40:19

I can't do like, it's just, it's

40:21

so silly and beautiful.

40:25

Like we have Dylan at this point, who's

40:28

Dylan Brock is Eddie's son, who

40:30

was not supposed to bond with Venom,

40:33

but did so anyway. Eddie

40:35

is out somewhere. And

40:39

Dylan doesn't know where he is. But

40:42

Dylan keeps getting dragged into

40:46

sort of horribleness

40:48

that he needs to deal with, mostly

40:51

because like he, he's got Venom.

40:54

So he's got the power to change something and he's

40:56

got the drive and he's a young kid. But

40:59

also because he, at this point, like

41:01

what would he do? He's sort of neglected

41:04

in the most horrible way. And

41:06

I think we, we've

41:09

kind of rushed past that sometimes just because he

41:11

is, he is Venom and

41:14

they are Venom and they are together,

41:17

but he's still just a kid, but

41:21

Venom and Dylan is gathering

41:23

up. They, they have

41:26

a sort of inkling of something that will

41:28

at some point, like some approaching

41:31

danger. But in

41:33

this specific art where

41:35

we get Venom with

41:38

the new Black Widow symbiote, the Widow.

41:40

And

41:43

I mean, we're back to

41:46

brilliantly fun things to write.

41:48

Because when

41:50

we were sort of talking about how we can do, like

41:53

give Black Widow a symbiote and

41:55

presumably like when your symbiote is born

41:58

and it sort of bonds

41:59

with the first. person, a lot

42:01

of the person would end

42:03

up,

42:05

it would be a symbiote, right? And someone,

42:11

like a symbiote with access to all

42:13

of Black Widow's sort of skills and memories

42:15

and trauma and everything, but not

42:19

necessarily like, but still sort

42:21

of a newborn who is

42:23

trying to figure out who

42:25

they are. It's a terrifying

42:27

but very, very, very fun sort of prospect

42:30

to play with. So we are, she is, she is investigating

42:33

a terrorist

42:38

organization and Venom is

42:40

dragged into it because he's one of the, Dylan

42:43

is one of the suspects and Venom is sort of dragged

42:46

into it as well. And it's

42:50

quite dark but I would say it's sort

42:52

of, it's a very fun Venom-y

42:56

adventure. There's also the symbiote nonsense,

42:58

which is sort of what I've found. You

43:01

need at some point when you write symbiote, you need some

43:03

goo

43:05

punching other goo at some point.

43:06

I love that phrase so

43:08

much right now. The fact that you

43:10

just literally said goo punching goo,

43:13

I mean, but it's real, but it's

43:15

real. I really,

43:18

I'm trying my best like

43:20

to not like spoil other

43:22

things, but like this idea

43:24

of if I'm gonna

43:26

goo, I'm gonna goo with you is real.

43:28

Speaking about gooing

43:33

together, you know what goos together?

43:36

Carnage and Venom, they goo

43:38

together like PB and Jay and

43:42

you can thank our producer for that one. But can,

43:46

are we gonna get, are we gonna get a crossover? Because

43:48

I mean, I mean,

43:50

I mean, it would be,

43:52

it would be natural that we

43:55

would at some point possibly maybe,

43:57

but I will say that we are absolutely

44:00

like they are set in the same time in

44:02

the same city chances

44:04

are that our carnage

44:07

has some daddy issues

44:08

like the rest of the

44:11

symbiotes

44:12

and it would be natural

44:14

that he would be looking

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for Eddie.

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Oh my god thank you so much for giving

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us a little bit of preview and I am sure

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we're gonna have you back on swim real

44:25

soon. Thank you so much I'm so

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excited like you're excited and I hope

44:30

people give it a chance just because it is

44:33

sincerely the most fun thing I've

44:35

ever done and I just I hope

44:37

that that will translate well yeah but thank

44:40

you so much for having me it's been it's been lovely.

44:45

That was of course the wonderful

44:47

Torin Grunbeck Carnage number

44:49

one releases next week. Oh

44:52

and it is a doozy. Nasty.

44:54

There

44:55

is for a lack of a better word

44:58

blood and carnage. Carnage.

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All

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right so while you're gonna go put that

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on your pull list it is time right

45:08

now for communities aka

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this week in messages

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so before we read all of those amazing

45:16

answers you sent us we also are working

45:18

on a question for this week.

45:20

So what we want to

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hear from y'all about relates

45:24

to the big blockbuster

45:27

video game Marvel Spider-Man 2 because next week we

45:29

are doing a spoiler cast which means

45:32

we will be talking to Brian

45:34

Intahar the game's director and Bill Roseman

45:37

from Marvel Games all about

45:40

the games we're gonna get into secrets gonna get into

45:42

total spoiler country

45:44

so be ready for that next week with

45:47

that in mind

45:48

what we want to know is simple what's your favorite thing

45:51

about Marvel Spider-Man 2 your favorite character

45:53

your favorite moment your favorite power your

45:55

favorite mission whatever it is what thing

45:58

about Marvel Spider-Man 2 do you love it?

45:59

the most. For

46:02

me, oh my god there's so much, playing

46:07

back and forth between Miles and Peter, the

46:09

traversal, oh man all the powers, oh

46:11

there's some side missions which we will

46:13

be talking with Brian and Bill about next week. Alright, I'll

46:16

get more into it next week so please play

46:18

the game, get ready for that, but let

46:20

us know your favorite Marvel Spider-Man 2

46:23

thing, whatever

46:24

it is. You

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can tweet your answers using a hashtag

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sure to tell us if it is okay to

46:39

read TWIM on the show. The

46:41

question of the week last week was...

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Who

46:47

are what are you most excited to see in

46:50

the Marvels? Alright, so

46:53

lots of great answers to that question again is who

46:55

are what are you most excited to see in the Marvels?

46:58

Jill at write underscore writer underscore

47:00

said, I'm really excited to see how

47:03

Carol and Monica reconcile after

47:05

all these years apart and the tension

47:07

that's developed in the interim.

47:09

You like some family

47:11

drama.

47:12

Are at ready to rizg it all.

47:16

So so excited to see how Monica

47:18

and Carol get to bond again over so

47:20

much lost time. Will probably get

47:22

so emotional if they talk about Maria

47:24

and reminisce over the time they

47:28

had before.

47:30

My

47:32

feelings. I know. Morganite

47:35

Cosplay at Morganite Cosplay

47:38

one said the return of Captain Marvel

47:40

now that she has fully embraced who she is and

47:43

her powers.

47:46

Super 75 at

47:48

Super 75. I'm very

47:50

excited to see one of my childhood favorites

47:53

Monica Rambeau on the big

47:55

screen. Also digging

47:58

the Mar-Vell inspired costume.

47:59

for Carol and of course anytime

48:03

with Kamala is a pure

48:05

joy. Dakota and the fam also

48:07

emailed us to answer saying

48:10

the obvious answer is Amman Valani's

48:12

big screen debut. Also wanted

48:14

to say thank you to Dakota and family

48:17

for sharing amazing Marvel

48:19

family Halloween costumes. They were Spidey

48:21

and his amazing friends versions of Ghost Spider,

48:23

Green Goblin and Spidey. We

48:26

love to see it. Yeah we do. But

48:29

it's time for everybody go to the movies

48:31

enjoy this fun fun weekend

48:34

because we're done here this episode of This Week in Marvel

48:36

is produced by Jasmine Estrada, Isabelle Robertson, Ryan

48:38

Penagos and Angelique Lorsche. Our senior

48:40

manager of production and development is Brad Barton.

48:43

Emily Godfrey is our production man.

48:45

Special thanks to all those

48:47

slur kittens out there. I'm

48:49

Ryan. I'm Angelique. This is Mark.

48:51

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cameos. People not realizing the camera's

49:27

on when their pants are off. But none of this

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makes Fred feel any better about giving an

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entire sales pitch mistakenly

49:33

using a filter that turns him into an itsy bitsy

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baby duck. How do I call yay

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sayy-yaw? It's too late Fred.

49:40

It's too late. When you realize it's better

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to do business in person,

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it matters for you stay. Welcome

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