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week with George Stephanopoulos starts

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right now. Breakdown. Israel

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and Hamas resume fighting, leaving the fate of

0:39

hostages in doubt. The resumption

0:41

of hostilities in Gaza is

0:44

catastrophic. New reporting lays out

0:46

stunning details of Israel's intelligence failures. There

0:48

is going to be plenty

0:50

of opportunity for a full accounting of what

0:53

happened. A border security impasse in Congress

0:55

stalls foreign aid. It's

0:57

the Republicans holding this up. National

0:59

security begins here at home. This

1:02

morning we're live in Israel. Plus White

1:04

House National Security Official John Kirby,

1:06

Israeli Minister of Strategic Affairs Ron

1:08

Dermer, and Republican Senator James Lankford.

1:12

Ousted. The

1:14

House expels Republican Congressman George Santos. I

1:17

have been convicted of no crimes. He

1:19

has manufactured his entire life

1:21

to defraud the voters of his district. And

1:24

six weeks before the first votes, does Nikki

1:26

Haley have momentum? Americans have said

1:28

they don't want a Trump-Biden rematch.

1:31

All the week's politics on our powerhouse roundtable.

1:34

Plus. So you heard a sound

1:36

and you knew it was gunfire? Yeah,

1:39

it was loud. Like so loud.

1:42

Pierre Thomas reports on the impact of gun violence. One

1:45

girl's survival story. From

1:49

ABC News, it's This Week. Here now, George Stephanopoulos.

1:53

Good morning and welcome to This Week. As

1:56

we come on the air, Israel has intensified its military presence

1:58

in the Middle East. fight

2:00

its airstrikes on Gaza, the ceasefire

2:02

and hostage negotiations have collapsed. Top

2:05

U.S. officials, including Vice President Kamala

2:07

Harris and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin,

2:09

are warning Israel that more civilian

2:11

casualties will lead to a humanitarian

2:13

and strategic calamity. Almost two

2:16

months into the war, there is no end in sight. We'll

2:18

speak with top U.S. and Israeli officials this morning.

2:21

Foreign correspondent Tom Sufi-Bergs is on the scene

2:23

in Israel. Good morning, Tom. Good morning,

2:25

George. Yeah, we're

2:28

about three miles from the Gaza Strip.

2:30

We've been hearing Israeli artillery firing out

2:32

into Gaza. You can see some smoke

2:34

from explosions on the horizon there. And

2:37

about a couple of hours ago, we

2:39

saw and heard several rockets being fired

2:41

out from Gaza here into southern Israel,

2:43

with the death toll inside the Gaza

2:46

Strip this weekend quickly rising. This

2:49

week, that brief peace over Gaza evaporated, with

2:51

Israel saying it struck more than 400 terror

2:54

targets in just 48 hours. Overnight,

2:57

Hamas firing rockets at central Israel,

3:00

with Israeli officials confirming the negotiations

3:02

with Hamas have completely halted. This

3:04

morning, battles raging with Israeli troops

3:06

on the ground in northern Gaza.

3:09

The IDF releasing this video claiming

3:11

it struck Hamas command sensors, ammo

3:13

dumps and tunnel shafts. Mythos smashing

3:15

into this residential building in video

3:18

circulating online. Israel insisting it's warning

3:20

people to leave before it attacks.

3:23

Children rushed into Gaza's already struggling

3:25

hospitals. This mother crying as medics

3:27

try and save her young daughter

3:29

and a girl in tears looking

3:31

for her brothers. The Hamas-run

3:34

health ministry saying more than 200 people

3:36

killed and hundreds more injured since

3:38

that week-long truce fell apart. UNICEF's

3:41

James Elder inside Gaza saying so many

3:44

children are being killed. It is a

3:46

war on children, and that is so

3:48

clear in everything we see here. The

3:50

total death toll in Gaza, more than 15,000

3:52

and rising. This

3:57

man emerging from the rubble screaming, you've killed

3:59

our children. Where are the children?

4:01

U.S. officials expressing concern, pressuring Israel

4:03

to do more to limit the

4:06

casualties. Frankly, the scale of civilian

4:08

suffering and the images and videos

4:10

coming from Gaza are devastating. And

4:12

this week a breathtaking report suggesting

4:14

a year ago Israeli officials knew

4:17

exactly what type of tactics Hamas

4:19

was planning. The New York Times

4:21

obtaining a 40-page document detailing how

4:23

Hamas intended to use a barrage

4:26

of rockets, drones and paragliders to

4:28

burst into Israel. The exact type

4:30

of tactics it used on October

4:32

7th to kill 1,200

4:35

people and capture many more.

4:38

110 of those hostages freed

4:40

in return for 240 Palestinians

4:43

released from Israeli jails. Emotional

4:45

scenes in Tel Aviv, people rallying for

4:47

the remaining 137 hostages, including eight

4:52

Americans still held. The face of

4:54

the remaining hostages is now more

4:56

uncertain. But you can feel the

4:58

determination, the energy here to bring

5:01

them home. Among them, Keith Siegel

5:03

from North Carolina, his brother Lee

5:05

telling me he's focused on getting

5:07

Keith freed and back home. Our

5:09

message is, and always has

5:11

been, hostages are not released

5:13

during hostilities. When guns are

5:15

firing, hostages are not going

5:17

to be released. Well,

5:21

the situation for those remaining hostages

5:23

looks really uncertain. Israel

5:26

pulling its negotiating team out of

5:28

Qatar and Hamas saying there will

5:30

be no further exchanges until the

5:32

war ends. Israel George

5:34

predicting a long war and saying when

5:36

it ends it will create a security

5:38

zone around the Gaza Strip to prevent

5:41

future terror attacks. You can hear the

5:43

war raging behind me. George? Well,

5:45

we sure can. Okay, Tom Sufjeburg, thanks very much. This

5:47

is bringing the top spokesman for White House National Security

5:49

Council, John Kirby. John, thank you for joining us again

5:52

this morning. So the ceasefire and hostage

5:54

negotiations have collapsed. Is there anything going

5:56

on behind the scenes to get them

5:59

back on track? back? Yes,

6:01

sir. We're working at this literally by the hour

6:03

at the National Security Council and all the way

6:05

up the high levels of the administration to try

6:07

to see hour by hour if we can get

6:09

these discussions back going forward to see if we

6:12

can get the pause back in place and get

6:14

the hostages out. But there's a constant effort on

6:16

the United States side to engage with our allies

6:18

and partners to do exactly that. It

6:20

sounds like both Israel and Hamas have given up on it. Well,

6:23

for right now, neither side is willing to

6:25

come back to the table. And I think

6:27

it's important to remember, George, how this fell

6:30

apart. It fell apart because Hamas was unwilling

6:33

and refused to come up with additional lists

6:35

of women and children, which we know they

6:37

are holding, and put them on the list

6:39

so that Israel could evaluate that and we could

6:41

get them exchanged. I do want

6:43

to say one thing that hasn't stopped, and that

6:45

is the humanitarian assistance going into Gaza. Now, the

6:48

pause allowed us to increase that level. We are

6:50

working with the Israelis to see if we can

6:52

keep it at that increased level that we achieved

6:54

over the last week continuing to go

6:56

in. And food, water, medicine, and even fuel

6:58

continues to get into Gaza. What

7:00

exactly do we know about how many hostages

7:03

remain, particularly Americans? Well, particularly Americans, we think

7:05

the number is about eight. We

7:08

don't have perfect visibility on where they

7:10

all are. We certainly don't have perfect

7:12

visibility on their physical or mental condition.

7:14

We're trying to do that as best we can,

7:16

but it's about eight. And now we also

7:18

believe that the total population left is somewhere

7:20

in the neighborhood of about You've

7:24

seen those warnings from Vice President Harrison,

7:26

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin about civilian casualties.

7:29

Any sense that Israel is heeding those warnings?

7:31

Yes, sir. We believe that they have

7:33

been receptive to our messages here in terms of

7:35

trying to minimize civilian casualties. And I

7:37

would tell you, we saw that as they went into

7:40

North Gaza. They did it in a more

7:42

precise way, a smaller way. And

7:44

just in the last 24, 48 hours,

7:46

George, they published online a map of

7:49

places where people could go to

7:51

avoid combat and where they could go,

7:53

where they could find safety from

7:55

combat. There's not a whole lot of modern

7:57

militaries that would do that. You

8:00

know, so to telegraph their punches in that way.

8:02

So they are making an effort. JAY.

8:05

Israel has ordered the evacuation of the South, as you've

8:07

said. And there do seem to

8:09

be increasing signs of a ground invasion. Is that what

8:11

you expect at this point? BAKER. Well,

8:13

I won't get ahead of the Israelis, the

8:15

Israeli Defense Forces. They've got to speak to

8:18

their military operations, and I certainly would say

8:20

nothing on TV that would violate their operational

8:22

security. But again, we've urged them to,

8:24

as they go south, we've said publicly.

8:27

We don't want to see them move into the

8:29

South unless or until they have accounted for that

8:31

additional now civilian population, because they move folks out

8:33

of the north and the south, hundreds of thousands

8:35

of them. We want to make sure that they're

8:37

properly accounted for. And again, them publishing

8:39

this map online and dropping leaflets and

8:42

informing people of where not to

8:44

go, I mean, that is a step in the right direction. What's

8:46

the endgame look like here? Is there a final,

8:49

in the end, is there a diplomatic solution that's

8:51

still possible? Is the two-state solution still viable? President

8:53

still believes in the power of a two-state solution,

8:55

George. He still believes that we've got to have

8:58

an independent state for the Palestinian people, that they

9:00

can live in peace and justice and security. He's

9:03

not giving up on that effort, and we're

9:05

going to continue as an administration to

9:07

continue to pursue that. Now, look, part

9:09

of that means that you've got to

9:11

have a reformed and revitalized Palestinian authority,

9:13

whoever governance looks like in Gaza, George,

9:16

has got to be responsive to the aspirations

9:18

of the Palestinian people, and it has

9:20

to be representative of them. Right now,

9:22

the Palestinian authority doesn't have that credibility.

9:25

So what we want to see is a reformed PA,

9:27

a revitalized Palestinian authority, that can

9:30

have a voice and some measure

9:32

of control over governance in Gaza. The

9:34

Prime Minister Netanyahu seems to have ruled that out, having

9:37

the PA oversee Gaza. What he

9:39

said was right now, you've got an

9:41

unreformed PA, and

9:43

that's unacceptable to him. I

9:46

would tell you, that's unacceptable to us, too. We

9:48

don't believe the PA is in the position right

9:50

now to be in incredible control of governance in

9:52

Gaza. Whatever it looks like, and I'm not saying

9:54

it has to be just the Palestinian authority, we

9:56

think that they should have a role, certainly, whatever

9:58

it looks like, though, George. It's got to

10:01

be responsive and representative of the Palestinian

10:03

people, and certainly Hamas is not that.

10:06

Senator James Lankford is coming up. He's in

10:08

the middle of these negotiations over aid to

10:10

Israel and Ukraine. He wants to tie them

10:12

to border security. Will the president accept a

10:14

package tied to border security? And what are

10:16

the consequences if no deal is reached by

10:18

the end of the year? I won't get

10:20

ahead of the president's decision-making, George. I'll tell

10:22

you that in that supplemental request that we

10:24

put forward, yep, there's money for Ukraine, which

10:27

we desperately need. There's money for Israel. There's

10:29

also money for border security. On day one

10:31

of this administration, he put forward an immigration

10:33

reform plan that has yet to be acted

10:35

on. Congress basically ignored it. If they're serious

10:37

about immigration reform, they ought to take that

10:40

proposal up by the president. They

10:42

ought to also pass our supplemental request. All four

10:44

of the major buckets in there, which also includes

10:47

money for the Indo-Pacific, is important to our national

10:49

security. We urge Congress to act on all of

10:51

that immediately. Finally, there's a blockbuster

10:53

New York Times report coming out, coming

10:56

into the weekend, that Israel failed to

10:58

heed intelligence about an attack by Hamas.

11:00

What more have we learned about that?

11:02

Did the United States have any advance

11:04

warning at all, should we have? Our

11:06

intelligence community is taking a look at

11:08

that. Right now, George, they have no

11:11

indications that we, the United States intelligence

11:13

community, had any knowledge of that document

11:15

beforehand or any visibility into it. Now,

11:17

look, Israel, they've already talked about this.

11:19

President Netanyahu has said that there's obviously

11:21

been some failures in the intelligence world when

11:23

it came to October 7. They're

11:26

going to take a look at this. They'll do the

11:28

forensics. They'll do that, and they'll do it thoroughly. But

11:30

right now, certainly on intelligence, the

11:32

focus has got to be on making sure

11:34

that Israel has what it needs to go

11:37

after Hamas leadership. They are taking out the

11:39

leadership one by one, sometimes small groups, but

11:41

they are going after them. And

11:43

we want to see that progress continue. And that's

11:45

really what the focus has got to be on right now. Okay.

11:48

John Kirby, thanks very much for your time, Mr. Kirby. Yes,

11:51

sir. Let's bring in now the Israeli Minister of Strategic

11:53

Affairs, Ron Dermer. Mr. Dermer, thank you for joining us

11:56

this morning. Let's begin with that intelligence report. Good to

11:58

be with you, George. Thank you for coming. joining

12:00

us. Did Prime Minister Netanyahu see any of

12:02

this intelligence warning of an Hamas attack? Not

12:07

that I'm aware of. I think the report that you're

12:09

talking about is the New York Times report, which dated

12:11

it back over a year. So the

12:13

prime minister wasn't prime minister at the time. It was,

12:16

it was a previous administration, but I don't know if

12:18

they saw it. And frankly, George, all of these

12:20

questions, we're going to have to get to the bottom of it. After

12:23

the war, we're going to have a serious

12:25

investigation. That's what Israel does. And

12:27

we'll be able to answer all these questions. But the

12:30

first time I saw that report was when it

12:32

was published in the New York Times. Why

12:34

wait until the end of the war? It seems like this war is going

12:36

to be going on for some time. Well,

12:39

because I think it's very important during the war

12:42

to unite all the forces to achieve a

12:45

common goal, which we all have, which is

12:47

to dismantle Hamas's military capabilities to end its

12:49

political rule in Gaza and to ensure that

12:52

Gaza doesn't represent a threat to Israel and

12:54

also to return the hostages. And I want

12:56

to use this opportunity, George, also to thank

12:59

the Biden administration, President Biden, the

13:01

national security advisor, Jake Sullivan, the

13:03

secretary of state Tony Blinken, and

13:05

also your CIA, CIA

13:08

director Bill Burns for

13:10

the efforts that they put

13:12

into ensuring that this hostage deal would happen. And we

13:14

were able to bring 80 women and children home. And

13:16

I think that's quite an achievement. And I don't know

13:18

if it would have happened to this extent without

13:21

the direct engagement of the United States, starting

13:23

with the president. Any help for

13:25

getting those talks started again? Well,

13:29

we'll have to see. I think right now, as

13:31

you know, a couple of days ago, Hamas did

13:33

not put forward a list. There are women and

13:35

children that have been left behind

13:37

in Gaza. They're claiming that they're not there, but

13:39

they are there. We know they're there. America knows

13:41

they're there. Even the Qataris know they're there. And

13:44

they decided to not finish this deal

13:46

and perhaps move to another deal. What

13:49

we know is that the thing that brings

13:51

Hamas to the table and its willingness to

13:54

make a deal is military pressure. And that

13:56

military pressure continued on Friday and will continue

13:58

in the days and days. weeks ahead

14:00

and then we'll have to see if there

14:02

will be open-mindedness on the part of Hamas

14:05

to make further deals. But remember, we're going

14:07

to achieve our military objective, which is to

14:09

dismantle Hamas's military capabilities in Gaza to end

14:11

its rule there. That's going to happen and

14:13

hopefully we'll be able to bring all of

14:16

our hostages home as well. And you have

14:18

eight hostages, I think, in

14:21

Gaza. Still Americans, there are people of

14:23

many, many different nationalities, but we're trying

14:25

to get everybody home. How

14:27

close are you to that goal of eliminating Hamas as

14:29

a military threat? Well,

14:32

we still have some ways to go. We

14:34

operated largely in the northern part of the

14:37

Gaza Strip. We're still operating in the northern

14:39

part of the Gaza Strip. And we've told

14:41

people in the southern part of the Gaza

14:43

Strip to start getting out of harm's way.

14:45

As Mr. Kirby said, we

14:48

presented a map of where there are safe places

14:50

for them to go. We hope they'll listen. When

14:53

we went into the northern part of the

14:55

Gaza Strip with a ground operation, many, many

14:57

people left the areas of conflict.

14:59

Two hundred, two hundred fifty, three hundred thousand

15:01

people went south and that was very good.

15:04

And as we're operating in the north, we

15:06

again encourage everybody to get out of harm's

15:08

way. We've provided these humanitarian safe quarters for

15:10

people to go. And now that they have

15:12

this map and we're calling on people to

15:14

make sure that they're getting out of harm's

15:16

way. We don't want to harm Palestinian civilians

15:19

and we're working very hard to achieve that

15:21

goal. And here too, we appreciate the support

15:23

of the United States, not just in

15:25

helping us deal with the aid agencies

15:27

within Gaza, the UN agencies within

15:30

Gaza to ensure that there would be safe

15:32

areas, but also for humanitarian assistance, because

15:34

it's not just Israel that has to

15:37

ensure and enable humanitarian assistance to flow.

15:39

There's Egypt, there's other international organizations there.

15:41

And here, US support has been critical

15:44

as well. Despite those

15:46

calls, the civilian casualties continue to climb.

15:48

We saw that UNICEF director there in

15:50

Tom Sufi Burages' piece and we heard

15:52

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin say that if

15:54

that continues, this could be not only

15:56

humanitarian disaster, but a strategic calamity for

15:59

Israel. Well,

16:02

listen, we're doing everything we can to keep

16:04

civilians out of harm's way. I want the

16:06

American people to understand this. This war is

16:09

not going on thousands of miles away. It's

16:11

going on literally hundreds of yards away. And it's going

16:13

on at a time when rockets are flying into our

16:16

country and we have people running to bomb shelters. I

16:18

think what the Israeli army has done in

16:21

prosecuting this war is unprecedented in the

16:23

history of warfare. When you have an

16:25

enemy right on your border and

16:27

you're doing everything to get the civilians of that

16:30

enemy out of harm's way, I don't think any

16:32

other country, including the United States, I don't know

16:34

if you ever face a situation like this, would

16:37

take such great care. So we agree with

16:39

the United States that we want to do

16:41

everything we can to reduce civilian casualties and

16:43

to ramp up humanitarian assistance. And

16:46

we'll continue to do that as we prosecute

16:48

this war. Let

16:50

me ask you the same question I

16:52

asked John Kirby. What is the diplomatic

16:54

aim here? Is Prime Minister Netanyahu agree

16:56

with President Biden that a two state

16:58

solution is still viable? Well,

17:01

what the prime minister has said for many years,

17:03

and you've interviewed him over the years, is that

17:06

we want the Palestinians to have all the powers

17:08

to govern themselves, but none of the

17:10

powers that they can use to threaten Israel. And

17:12

that's something when we get back to negotiations, we'll

17:14

have to see how we do that. I know

17:17

that everybody is racing forward right now to try

17:19

to establish a Palestinian state. For

17:21

the people of Israel, they don't even understand that

17:23

because we just suffered the equivalent of

17:25

29 11s. And I think the

17:28

last thing you want to do is send a message

17:30

to any terror group that the way you're going to

17:32

achieve some sort of aim is to perpetrate a massive

17:34

terror attack. I think right now what we have to

17:36

focus on is destroying Hamas. We have

17:38

to get rid of this terror organization, this

17:40

ruthless, brutal terror organization within Gaza. I think

17:42

that's going to present many different opportunities. It's

17:45

going to enhance Israel's security. It's going to

17:47

be very good for the Palestinians of Gaza

17:49

because they're not going to have to go

17:51

through round after round. And I think it's

17:53

going to open the door to a regional

17:55

peace. And in the context of that regional

17:57

peace, we'll have to figure out how we

17:59

can put our ourselves on a path

18:01

towards an ultimate political settlement with the

18:03

Palestinians. That's what everybody wants. And I

18:05

think we can get there. But the first thing we

18:07

have to do is destroy Hamas, which

18:09

is not interested in any peace, any two

18:11

state solution. They just want to destroy the

18:13

state of Israel. How long

18:15

is that going to take? Is it really possible? It

18:20

is definitely possible. I think we've shown over

18:23

that. Remember we've only been fighting for less than

18:25

two months and we just had a pause for

18:27

about a week. We're going to

18:29

achieve this goal. We're going to do it

18:31

in the deliberate fashion because we are very

18:33

conscious of having civilians there and

18:35

getting them out of harm's way. If we wanted

18:37

to do it fast, we'd harm a lot more

18:39

civilians. We're going to achieve that goal. I

18:41

don't know how long it's going to take. I don't know

18:43

if it's weeks. I don't know if it's going to be

18:45

months, but it's going to take as long as it's going

18:47

to take because we're not going to allow what happened on

18:49

October 7th to happen again. We're going

18:52

to rid Gaza of this organization, this

18:54

terror organization Hamas, free Gaza from Hamas,

18:56

and hopefully that will give hope to

18:58

Palestinians, to Israelis, to everybody in the

19:00

region who wants to go in a

19:03

different direction. Ron Dermer,

19:05

thanks for your time this morning. Spring

19:09

in Republican Senator James Lankford of Oklahoma. Senator

19:11

Lankford, thank you for joining us this morning.

19:13

I want to get to the war and

19:15

the negotiations over border security in 4-nade, but

19:17

first, your party's leading candidate for

19:19

president was on the stump yesterday, repeating lies about

19:21

the 2020 election. He's

19:24

called those convicted in the January 6th

19:26

insurrection hostages. He faces 91 separate

19:29

felony counts himself. He's

19:31

raised the prospect of executing the former chair

19:33

of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and terminating

19:35

parts of the Constitution. In

19:37

the face of all that and more, are you prepared

19:39

to support Donald Trump if he's your party's nominee? We

19:44

haven't had a single vote yet, George. This

19:46

is still weeks and weeks away

19:48

from our first vote that are happening actually in Iowa,

19:50

then New Hampshire, and South Carolina, and there are a

19:52

lot of people who are going to make that decision.

19:55

That's not going to be me making that decision. That's

19:57

going to be the American people that actually make that

19:59

decision. Well, that's going to be

20:01

Republican primary voters. You're a Republican senator, and I'm

20:03

asking for your opinion. Given that record of Donald

20:05

Trump, are you prepared to support him if he's

20:08

the nominee of your party? I

20:12

have not actually endorsed anyone for president this

20:14

time, and I didn't during the 2016 time

20:17

period either. And so I've stayed out of this.

20:19

Again, that's going to be Republican voters and the American people that are

20:21

going to make that decision in the primary. And

20:23

then in November, it'll be American voters as well.

20:26

The challenge right now is Americans are trying to

20:28

be able to get information, trying to be able

20:30

to make decisions, and they're going to make their

20:32

own decisions on that. That's who we are as

20:34

Americans. Right. I understand that, but I'm asking what

20:37

your decision is. You're an elected official. You're a

20:39

Republican party official. I'm asking, can you support Donald

20:41

Trump as the nominee given his record? Yeah,

20:45

if he ends up being the nominee, and I've

20:48

got a choice between Donald Trump and Biden, I've

20:50

got a choice between two different sets of policies,

20:52

two different sets of ideas, two different ways to

20:54

handle the economy, two different ways to be able

20:56

to handle energy, two different ways to handle foreign

20:59

policy, immigration. I've got two sets of policies between

21:01

me. That is not a hard choice between those

21:03

two sets of policies that would actually face us

21:05

when we get to that November time period. If

21:08

that ends up being the choice of the American

21:10

people in both of those primaries, that two different

21:12

sets of policies is not difficult for me because

21:14

I've seen the difference between what happens

21:16

at the border in security, what happens into

21:18

our economy, what happens in foreign policy. Americans

21:20

have seen a side by side on that.

21:24

Even if Donald Trump is convicted in one of these

21:26

trials? We

21:28

have a long way to go in the Georgia. I know you're

21:30

trying to jump ahead through a lot of different things here. I

21:33

understand that everyone is innocent until proven guilty in this

21:35

process. We've got to be able to go through a

21:37

lot of things. And again, we're back to the American

21:40

people. The American people make this choice, and

21:42

then we actually as leaders work with other leaders to

21:44

be able to go through the process. Let

21:47

me ask you about these border security negotiations.

21:49

I know you've been in the middle of

21:52

them with Democrats and Republicans. Are

21:54

you making progress? You expect a deal before year's end?

21:58

We are making progress on this. This is exceptionally important.

22:01

When the administration actually put out their

22:03

national security package, they asked for funding

22:05

for Israel, for Ukraine, for Taiwan, and

22:07

for the border. And then

22:09

literally two days later after they put that

22:11

proposal out in their request, they also put

22:14

out a piece saying that the border funding

22:16

element would be, quote unquote, this was their

22:18

term, a tourniquet. What they really

22:20

need is a change in policy because

22:22

that's the biggest issue that they need. Secretary

22:25

Mayorkas has come forward and said we need

22:28

a reform in the asylum system. This is

22:30

where it's from top to bottom. We need

22:32

to change how we handle recalcitrant countries

22:34

like China and Nicaragua that will not

22:36

take their individuals back. We

22:38

need to change the way that we're doing this. And

22:40

he's made the statement over and over again. If

22:43

you delay consequences for individuals that come

22:45

across the border, it is no consequence.

22:47

So again, listen to Secretary Mayorkas and

22:49

the statements that he's made, and they've

22:51

made it very clear they're looking for

22:53

changes in policies so we can actually

22:55

secure the border. We've got

22:57

to actually bring a proposal forward

22:59

that will actually make that different. They

23:01

can actually reform how we handle asylum

23:03

and his words from top to bottom

23:05

that we can actually handle how we're

23:07

actually handling the process of all those

23:09

individuals and that we're not just mass

23:11

releasing thousands of people. Last week, George,

23:14

we had more than 9,000 people a

23:16

day that crossed our border last week,

23:18

9,000 a day. Those

23:20

are epically high numbers that continue to

23:22

accelerate. Highest number ever in

23:25

September, highest October ever. It looks like November

23:27

will be the highest ever in the history

23:29

of the country. This continues to spiral out

23:31

of control. Bipartisan

23:33

agreement on these issues, as you know, has been debitishly

23:35

tough for more than a decade.

23:37

Close to two decades right now. Again, can

23:39

you reach this deal before the end of

23:41

the year? Are you prepared to go forward

23:43

with any kind of overseas aid if you

23:45

can't? No,

23:48

we're going to do this all together. That's been the agreement

23:50

that, again, from the White House originally, it asked for all

23:52

these things to be together. We have agreed to do all

23:55

these things to be able to get together. We can get

23:57

this done by the end of the year. There's a reason

23:59

that this is a deal. This hasn't been done in decades

24:01

because it's hard. It's very technical work

24:03

and there's a lot of challenges that are in

24:05

it. And anytime you deal with border security, there

24:08

are a lot of complicating features in this. So

24:11

we're going through very, very detailed work, very, very

24:13

detailed law. But the most important thing is to

24:15

be able to get this right. The American people,

24:17

whether Republican, Democrat or Independent, just want to secure

24:19

border. I don't run into many people that want

24:22

no immigration. They just want

24:24

legal immigration. People want a legal orderly

24:26

process, not the chaos that we currently

24:28

have on our Southern border. That

24:31

shouldn't be too tall of an order to be able to fulfill.

24:34

Senator Lankford, thanks for your time this morning. You

24:38

bet. Thank you. Roundtable is coming

24:40

up. Plus with gun violence now, the leading

24:42

cause of death for kids in the U.S.

24:44

Chief Justice correspondent Pierre Thomas reports on the

24:46

staggering impact of one bullet on one child's

24:48

life. Stay with us. We

24:56

are Brad, makers of the tried and true apple

24:58

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25:00

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25:03

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25:22

Brad, it's not weird if it works. And

25:27

a little boy is in a hospital after he

25:29

was shot in the Bronx, the eight year old's

25:31

crime standing on the street

25:33

with his grandmother. Police in Jacksonville, Florida are

25:35

investigating a nine year old who reportedly shot

25:37

and killed a six year old. A

25:39

man in Louisiana is now accused of shooting a

25:41

14 year old girl who is

25:44

playing hide and seek around his property.

25:48

Stark reminders there of how the nation's epidemic

25:50

of gun violence is ravaging our children. So

25:52

far this year, more than 1500 American children

25:54

have been killed by guns. Chief

25:57

Justice correspondent, Peter Thomas, tells the story of one girl

25:59

shot over a year ago and

26:01

the impact that one bullet has had on her life

26:03

and the lives of those around her. Alayah

26:06

Folmore was a typical 13-year-old. Loving

26:13

life and loving family in

26:15

suburban Concord, North Carolina. But

26:20

that life was put in jeopardy when a

26:22

nightmare began to unfold on July

26:24

8, 2022. Hey,

26:27

I need 911. Something wrong with my daughter.

26:30

What's going on with her? Is she bleeding

26:32

anywhere, ma'am? It's like she's breathing a

26:34

little bit. I don't know what happened. What happened?

26:38

She's hurting us. I don't know

26:40

what's wrong with my baby. Within

26:43

minutes, police are racing to the scene.

26:45

Stay on the way. We got him

26:47

on the way. Sergeant Larry Fry and

26:49

Deputy Matthew Twigger are greeted by Alayah's

26:51

twin sister, Aliyah, Frantic. Hey, where's what's

26:53

going on? I don't know what's

26:55

wrong with my sister. Inside,

26:58

her mother confused and just wronged. Where's

27:00

she at? Right here, between the bed.

27:02

She woke up hollering. She

27:05

woke up hollering. I don't know what's

27:07

wrong. Alayah losing consciousness lies between her

27:09

bed and the wall, each

27:11

second critical, feeling like an eternity.

27:15

It's Alayah. Alayah. Alayah,

27:17

how old are you, baby? Talk

27:19

to me. A hail of more than

27:21

30 bullets had pierced the former's apartment

27:24

that night. One of them striking Alayah

27:26

in the stomach. It's not believed now,

27:28

but there's no exit room. One

27:30

girl, one bullet, a

27:32

moment in time that would change the lives

27:34

of Alayah and her family forever. Gun

27:37

fire, now the leading cause of death for

27:40

children, surpassing car accidents.

27:42

It's actually worse than it was more than a

27:44

decade ago, when all those children

27:47

were massacred at Sandy Hook. And

27:49

the gun-controlled debate remains as divisive

27:51

as it's ever been, with

27:53

little changing. I think it's becoming normal.

27:56

It's becoming like, did you

27:58

hear about the shootings? down the

28:00

street or did you hear about shooting at the mall?

28:02

And then you'd be like, even if you're not directly

28:04

impacted, you feel it. Every day,

28:07

an average of 23 kids

28:09

shot in the US, children

28:11

like A'leah. I was going to sleep

28:13

and then it was like, boy, he

28:15

was outside arguing. It was so loud, they

28:17

were just cussing. The shots just started

28:20

happening. I just felt something go through my

28:22

stomach, hopped up, ran. So you heard a

28:24

sound, a series of sounds, and you knew

28:26

it was gunfire? Yeah, it was

28:29

loud. Like, so loud. A

28:31

single bullet left a trail of destruction

28:33

inside her body, ricocheting

28:35

from organ to organ, tearing through

28:38

her intestines, her colon, and

28:40

the main artery carrying blood to her legs.

28:42

There was a very high risk that

28:46

she was not going to survive her initial injuries.

28:48

Her heart stopped once in route

28:50

and they were able to perform

28:52

CPR, give her medication, restarted it.

28:55

When she got to the Atrium

28:57

Cabarrus facility in the emergency

28:59

department, her heart stopped again and

29:01

they had to perform emergency surgery

29:03

on her chest to open it

29:05

up. Her life was literally hanging

29:08

by a thread and her mother

29:10

knew it. They were telling us, look, your

29:12

daughter is very sick. Like, they were pretty

29:14

much saying she's not going to make it

29:16

because the more blood they

29:18

gave her, the more blood she played

29:20

out. In that first five hours of

29:22

resuscitation, she received greater than 50 units

29:25

of blood product in total during that

29:27

time. To put it in perspective, that

29:30

amount of blood products is about 10

29:32

times her actual blood volume. This

29:34

is the bullet that is

29:36

lodged in the back

29:39

of her pelvic region. And

29:41

to this day, it's still there, never

29:43

removed out of fear that the extraction

29:45

could cause more damage. It was a

29:48

nightmare because she had all these tubes,

29:50

she had like chest tubes on this

29:52

side, this side. A layer's road

29:54

to recovery would be a long one. Two

29:56

months in the hospital and more than 20 surgeries.

29:59

A dedicated medical staff and her

30:01

loving family always at her bedside.

30:03

Love you, Leah. Eventually,

30:06

tiny miracles. The first time

30:08

this brave, resilient teenager opened

30:10

her eyes. And after

30:12

a few weeks, finally being able to

30:14

leave her hospital bed. How did that air fill

30:17

in your face for the first time? It

30:19

felt good. I had been

30:21

outside a soul, mom. I just wanted to go

30:23

home. Leah did go home, but there

30:26

have been months of rehab. She

30:28

was still walking using crutches at the time

30:30

of our interview, waiting for surgery

30:32

to help fix her leg. What

30:34

do you want to be able

30:36

to do? Freely, without crutches. Walk.

30:40

That's what I wanted to do for my long kids. Days

30:43

of normalcy and joy have returned.

30:45

Leah graduated from middle school and

30:48

has celebrated her 14th birthday, a

30:50

celebration that almost never

30:52

happened. Happy birthday

30:55

to you. And

31:00

Pierre joins us now. Hard to believe this, but, Leah, is one

31:03

of the lucky ones. Pierre, you've made a

31:05

part of your life's work to cover this epidemic of

31:07

gun violence. What stands out to you

31:10

about this moment? George, even

31:12

as levels of overall gun violence have

31:14

actually gone down in roughly the past

31:16

two years, children are still facing an

31:18

unbearable toll. I'm struck by the

31:20

fact that since Newtown at Sandy Hook, gun

31:23

violence against children is now worse. That

31:25

raises questions about a society that we allow the

31:27

youngest among us to be harmed this way. Are

31:30

we really okay with this? Congress

31:32

did pass modest gun control legislation last

31:34

year after 30 years of nothing being

31:36

done at the federal level, but there

31:38

were many areas not addressed, including a

31:40

national background check. And even after

31:43

the most recent mass shooting in Maine, there's

31:45

really no movement for further action right now.

31:47

But what we do know is the inevitable.

31:50

There's going to be another day soon where

31:52

we have another mass casualty event in this

31:54

country. And every single day, children

31:56

are being shot paying a price, George. And

31:59

you spoke with... the country's youngest congressman about

32:01

this well congressmen actual frosting a word

32:03

is frustrated george frustrated at the same

32:05

time he's also optimistic that a new

32:07

white house office of gun violence prevention

32:09

that he helped push for is a

32:12

step in the right direction at

32:14

only twenty six he's part of a younger

32:16

generation that is persistent who says they won't

32:18

stop until more is done to address this

32:21

issue george p.r. thomas thanks

32:23

around tables next we'll be right back every

32:29

member expelled in history of

32:31

this institution has been convicted

32:33

of crying or confederate turncoats

32:36

guilty of treason neither

32:38

does apply to me but here we are

32:40

the facts and the evidence are clear he

32:43

could defend himself in a court of law

32:45

but for the purposes of this body he's

32:47

got to go and

32:50

he did go to our centers expelled on friday with

32:52

a good talk about our roundtable joined by the four

32:54

dnc chair donna brazil former trump

32:56

white house chief of staff rhymes previous the

32:59

executive editor of the a p julie pace

33:01

and new york times senior political correspondent maggie

33:03

haberman julie let me begin with you did

33:05

this a decision whether or not to expel

33:08

george sentis split the republican party in the

33:10

house it did and you found

33:12

one group that was largely holding on because

33:14

of this narrow majority that republicans have that

33:16

i think one of the main motivators for

33:18

keeping them and which was with him leaving

33:20

that majority was going to shrink even further

33:22

they think for art for the other half

33:24

of the republican party that just became untenable

33:26

i mean there were there were no significant

33:28

ground to defend him on particularly after we

33:30

thought that ethics report a few weeks ago

33:33

now dantas is of course correct

33:35

he had not been convicted in court but

33:37

the body of evidence against him had just

33:39

become overwhelming and i know that is the

33:41

one piece of ground he was standing on the

33:43

fact that he has not yet been convicted indicted

33:45

non convicted the first person facing that has ever

33:48

been expelled yeah he wanted to wait until he

33:50

had that jane traffic and uh...

33:52

uh... moment where he was convicted

33:55

and as a convicted convicted

33:57

uh... fell in he wanted

33:59

that written on

34:01

his final resume. But look, I think they did

34:04

the right thing. I disagree

34:06

with Steve Scalise and Mike Johnson, the

34:08

leadership of the House that is setting

34:10

a dangerous precedent. I think they should

34:12

have taken this matter seriously or much

34:15

earlier, but the ethics committee report, I

34:17

mean, George, I have filed a lot

34:19

of reports as a congressional staffer and

34:21

also as a campaign manager. I've never

34:24

seen a member abuse

34:26

the kind of money that he abused.

34:28

It wasn't just the shoes. It

34:31

was going to casinos and paying to be

34:33

on a website that I don't want to

34:35

mention for fear that one of my nieces

34:38

and nephews might find out about it. So

34:40

they did the right thing, not trying to move on

34:42

for him. Ryan's previous, only

34:44

a three-person majority now for Republicans in

34:46

the House. Is the House governable at

34:48

this point? Well,

34:50

I mean, it's been tough from

34:53

the beginning, right? I mean, when you don't have a significant

34:56

majority, you've got problems.

34:59

I think in splits within your own party,

35:01

Democrats have some of that too, but certainly

35:03

not as much as the Republicans. It's going

35:05

to be tough, and you're seeing it play

35:07

out in the supplemental. You're seeing what

35:09

will likely be a dead end in the Senate on

35:12

this budget negotiation. The

35:15

group will come to conference on all of these topics,

35:17

and we don't know where it's going to go, but

35:19

as far as George Santos is concerned, I

35:22

tend to agree with you, Donna, but we

35:27

are elected by people in our districts.

35:29

True, he lied, he has a big

35:31

mouth. All of these things, you

35:34

know, I do think there is a concern

35:36

with taking that power away from the people

35:38

in the district and saying, look, your ethics

35:40

of problems are bad enough, you're out. Yours

35:42

are, they're not as bad, so we'll leave

35:45

you alone. He

35:47

is a victim of himself. He

35:49

committed all of these things, at

35:51

least is what's been described, but

35:53

he is also paying the price

35:56

for having a big mouth for

35:59

being... almost a comedian in

36:02

front of uh... his colleagues who were

36:04

that now his judges and he

36:06

paid the price and that's a good lesson about when

36:08

you get in trouble you keep your head down keeper

36:10

mouth shot he couldn't do it and he's out made

36:13

it doesn't be a parallel there between george santos and

36:15

and and don trump a lot of republicans saying okay

36:17

he's been indicted but not convicted it's up to the

36:19

voters we just heard rice previous day and in

36:21

fact i'll try to be out of the up

36:24

at the playbook that right was just talking about

36:26

about keeping your head down and keep your mouth

36:28

shut don't run about their talking every day at

36:30

the event i did four times but there certainly

36:32

are parallels in terms of some of the accusations

36:35

there's not perfect symmetry uh... but this is part

36:37

of why republicans wanted to move on it very

36:39

hard to defend both donald trump and george santa

36:41

simultaneously and to all of the point everyone has

36:43

made very one majority of going

36:46

to stay at the majority in either direction

36:48

until there is redistricting the next time republicans

36:50

just didn't want to deal with this at

36:52

a certain point and to the point about

36:54

getting rid of him prior to a conviction

36:57

or an and adjudication in court there is

36:59

an argument that voters in the district did

37:01

not have a lot of information about george

37:03

santa's was not a really well correct and

37:06

so i think that that factored factored heavily

37:08

on the mind of republicans particularly new york

37:10

like mike lauler he played video before saying

37:12

enough already let's move on we're closing

37:14

in on the al caucasus rights previous can

37:17

anyone stop donald trump at

37:19

this point we saw this big endorsement

37:21

for nikki haley this week from the

37:23

coke brothers group americans for prosperity she

37:25

seems to be gaining some ground does

37:28

she have time is it possible but

37:30

she is gaining momentum but she still

37:32

sitting at thirty points down in iowa

37:34

twenty seven in new hampshire fifty points

37:36

nationally donald

37:38

trump's people could map

37:41

out how this race was

37:43

going to go as

37:46

someone is getting consolidation uh...

37:49

nikki haley then the governor of

37:51

iowa then endorsed ron de santis

37:53

and then bob vander platts would

37:55

endorse ron de santis and then

37:58

the coke brothers would now say

38:00

we're going to put money behind nikki

38:02

haley in a primary to keep in

38:04

mind this is a

38:06

primary in the republican party

38:09

were generally plurality wins every

38:11

delegate generally there's exceptions you

38:14

couldn't scripted any better if

38:16

donald trump said here's how i want this to go

38:19

you could not map this out any better given

38:21

the primary rules in the republican party does seem

38:24

like a givou all over again all-in-the-brelies

38:26

does but you know i want to say

38:28

something about mister de santas a these last

38:30

few weeks i've been trying to i'm

38:32

trying to be generous dollar republican

38:34

candidates this chris christie is not

38:36

you know capturing the the crowd

38:38

so let me give mister de

38:40

santa some love he has completed

38:42

the the full grassley all ninety

38:44

nine counties yes endorsement of the

38:46

governor yes endorsement of the

38:48

the big evangelical leader so i i

38:51

think he has a a good advantage

38:53

going into the our caucuses because as you

38:55

all know it's all about organization on the

38:57

ground you gotta get people on a cold

38:59

wintery night uh... to caucus for

39:01

you so i give him an advantage especially with

39:03

the governor's put in a hot for muscle behind

39:06

him nikki haley has capitalized on all

39:08

of these debates i said good things about our

39:10

last week but this week she is going to

39:12

face a lot next week next week

39:14

right this is this week is i gotta remember

39:16

what we got my birth is the month of

39:18

the company to get the so but she

39:21

has a lot to show uh...

39:23

this coming week at the debate maggie did that

39:25

i don't want to come to strength that there

39:27

are a round of centers have at the same

39:29

time you've been reporting on and with shakeups in

39:31

the super pack support never seen anything like

39:33

that i i mean i think it's a

39:35

perfect are obviously relatively new existence in politics

39:37

but i can't really remember situation where there's

39:39

been it's rolling series of departures and changes

39:41

the campaign had its own shake-ups over the

39:43

summer and if you have to struggle with

39:45

the candidate and some of this is just

39:47

the campaign and some of this is the

39:49

apparatus around him and some of it comes

39:51

from the candidate i think including a culture

39:53

around him to donna's point we don't know

39:55

what this will look like on caucus night

39:57

it's very hard to tell what somebody's organization

40:00

actually is that's true of the trump team that's

40:02

true of the defense team it's true of the

40:04

haley team although haley i think we have a

40:06

little bit of a better sense that she's starting

40:08

from behind on that front but the pent up

40:10

has not done a ton of favors for himself

40:12

with these endless process stories that hurt with donors

40:14

in a real way and julie doe right

40:16

is clearly right the down which are people be

40:18

happy with the way this is scripting out at

40:21

this point no one's ever had a speed lead

40:23

if he has going in the iowa but we

40:25

have been surprised before and what will meant in

40:27

takeover you don't know how the race is gonna

40:29

shake out there is there is that feeling where

40:31

you can expect a surprise somewhere along the way

40:34

if you look at all of the presidential campaign

40:36

but all of us have been involved in at

40:38

some point for some moment of pride doesn't mean

40:40

that the front-runner may not eventually win i think

40:43

the big question right now is all of the

40:45

things that we're talking about ground-game organization big endorsements

40:48

do those matter in a race where you have

40:50

this cult of personality around donald trump in some

40:52

way they feel very kind of pre-twenty sixteen when

40:54

you talk about the potential advantages that they could

40:57

give a candidate for a little bit and that

40:59

and i really hope that not the case at

41:01

that you do wonder how much that matter if

41:03

you know what you do have somebody at the

41:05

front of the former president had so much support

41:07

i'm not a great paper come back at one

41:09

of the point and then we know that in

41:11

his book now that you know it doesn't mean

41:13

it won't go well for him doesn't mean that

41:15

he won't have an al overwhelming when people don't

41:17

win the caucuses by twenty point historically whatever the

41:19

polls are showing number one and number two he

41:22

was he was really think that that state in

41:24

twenty sixteen and he has been in this fight

41:26

with the state governor and other people figures who

41:28

have some power there doesn't mean that it'll

41:31

matter maybe it won't matter at all but they don't

41:33

know that i did the biting team does seem

41:35

to have pivot in the last couple of weeks less

41:37

about making the case for joe biden

41:40

more about putting down from front and

41:42

center voters minds and

41:44

george i have to tell you that was

41:46

a prayer answer because they spent the entire

41:48

summer not talking about donald trump they want

41:50

to get involved in all of his litigation

41:53

and all of his you know indictments in

41:55

all the time we found ourselves like what

41:57

what are we supposed to talk about you

41:59

know This is not a rose

42:01

garden out here in the streets when people

42:03

want to know, what are you doing for

42:06

me? So I'm glad that they pivoted toward

42:08

talking about Donald Trump and the future that

42:10

he is painted for all of us as

42:12

Americans. I hope that they can continue to

42:15

draw sharp lines because Joe Biden will need

42:17

that. One gift that Donald Trump seems

42:19

to have given the Biden team rights previous

42:21

is his call to repeal Obamacare. Well,

42:24

I mean, we talked about that in 2016.

42:27

He won in 2016. I

42:30

just don't buy this democracy on

42:32

the ballot and all of it, all of

42:34

this nonsense about Trump when the Democrats are

42:36

sitting there with a candidate. That hasn't been

42:38

about Trump. What's the nonsense? Well, no, I

42:41

mean, about how democracy is on the ballot.

42:43

Democracy was on the ballot. The Democrats

42:45

wouldn't be sitting there with a candidate

42:47

that has the worst number since they've

42:50

been taking polling and worse yet, people

42:52

will say, well, this has happened before.

42:54

Barack Obama had bad polling. Trump had

42:57

bad polling. But Democrats loved Obama by

42:59

90, 95 percent. Same

43:02

with Trump. He is in the

43:04

tank with Democrats. Now, how they can

43:06

claim on one hand democracy is on

43:08

the ballot and sit there with an

43:10

historically weak candidate is unbelievable.

43:12

And I don't buy it. I think we've

43:14

seen over and over again, we saw it in 2020 and we

43:16

saw it in 2022. And

43:18

I don't think that it was by massive

43:20

margins, but there are enough independent and swing

43:22

voters who are concerned about democracy

43:25

being on the ballot, who are concerned about the fact

43:27

that Trump endorsed all these

43:29

candidates last year who echoed his lies

43:32

about the election and many of

43:34

them lost. If not all of them, I'd have to

43:36

go back and look at the numbers. Trump is putting

43:38

the 2020 election front and center again in many of

43:40

these. Well, I was going to say, and last

43:42

night in Iowa, Julie Pace, he seems to be

43:45

putting democracy on the ballot in an effort. It's

43:47

a kind of projection accusing Joe Biden of

43:49

doing what he's been accused of. And

43:52

whether that was strategic or not, and the

43:54

Trump campaign is feeling like they have a weakness

43:56

there, I think will be interesting to see how

43:58

long they run that message. out. But it

44:00

did feel like that almost that first moment

44:02

where we saw that direct kind of tit for

44:05

tat between where Joe Biden wants to take

44:07

this campaign and where Trump is responding. And

44:09

I do think to Donna's point, I mean,

44:11

Democrats know very clearly they need to make this

44:13

a choice election. This has to be a

44:15

choice between Joe Biden and

44:18

Donald Trump, whatever you think about Joe Biden. They know

44:20

that that's the way that they can, they can

44:22

end this. Except here's the big problem. If

44:24

they want to make this election about Trump,

44:26

there's going to be Biden and Trump. And

44:29

then there's going to be a couple other non-Trump

44:32

candidates that are going to be on the ballot. So you

44:34

make this about Trump. I think it

44:36

plays in perfectly into how this election is

44:38

moving forward, because they're not going to if

44:40

people don't want to go to Biden, they're

44:42

going to say, oh, here's Cornel West. Oh,

44:44

here's the Jill

44:47

Stein. Here is the no label. You're

44:49

totally comfortable going into the election with

44:51

a candidate who's been accused of 91

44:53

felonies. I'm

44:56

comfortable if that's what the Republican Party

44:58

wants to move forward with. Sure. One

45:00

hundred and ten percent. I would take

45:02

Donald Trump over Joe Biden every single

45:04

day of the week. No problem. Because

45:06

where this country has gone and how far

45:08

we've gone downhill in the last three years

45:11

is a place that most Republicans aren't willing

45:13

to go. And if they're that worried about

45:15

it, then go get a different candidate if

45:17

you think that you have Joe Biden. I

45:19

recognize that Joe Biden may not be might

45:21

not be your cup of tea or even

45:23

your bowl of soup. But you know what

45:25

he is? He's somebody who's steady, somebody who

45:27

understands the issues and somebody who's fighting for

45:29

America. That's all we have time for today. Thank

45:33

you all very much. We'll be right back. I

45:36

will send to the Senate the nomination

45:38

of Judge Sandra Day O'Connor of

45:40

Arizona Court of Appeals for

45:43

confirmation as an Associate

45:45

Justice of the United States Supreme Court.

45:48

She is truly a person

45:50

for all seasons possessing those unique

45:53

qualities of temperament, fairness,

45:56

intellectual capacity and devotion to the public

45:58

good which have carried the 101 brethren

46:00

who have preceded it. President

46:05

Ronald Reagan nominating Sandra Day O'Connor to serve as

46:07

the first woman on the Supreme Court. O'Connor,

46:09

who passed away at 93 on Friday,

46:12

was a decisive vote for over two

46:14

decades, writing landmark opinions on abortion and

46:16

affirmative action. Twenty years ago, in

46:18

the first interview with the sitting justice on a Sunday

46:20

show, I spoke to Justice

46:23

O'Connor alongside Justice Stephen Breyer about her

46:25

service and her legacy. Justice

46:28

O'Connor, you've been on the court now a little over 20 years. How

46:31

has your decision making changed over

46:33

the course of those 20 years? Oh,

46:36

I don't know that the decision making

46:38

has changed, but I've learned something

46:40

during those years. I find that I'm

46:43

still learning new things with many of

46:45

the cases that come to it. A

46:48

new subject matter of the law,

46:50

a new approach, a

46:52

new question we haven't previously addressed.

46:55

That's why the job is interesting, because there are so

46:57

many new things that come earlier. Does it get easier?

47:01

No, I think not. The one aspect

47:04

of the work that got easier

47:06

over time was the review of

47:08

the thousands and thousands of petitions

47:10

for social areas. Some

47:12

of them are repetitive in nature, and you

47:14

learn over time how to deal

47:17

with them more quickly than when I first

47:19

started. Let me turn

47:21

finally to your

47:23

legacy. When President Reagan

47:25

nominated you for the court, he paraphrased a

47:27

long fellow saying that the

47:30

Supreme Court justice is truly Lee's footprint on

47:32

the sands of time. What

47:34

do you expect your systems to do? Well,

47:38

I've tried to deal with the

47:40

tombstone question in the past, and I've always

47:43

just said that I hope at the end

47:45

of the day it can be said on

47:47

my tombstone, here lies a good judge. That

47:50

is all for us today. Thanks for sharing part of your

47:52

Sunday with us. Check out world news tonight, and I'll see

47:54

you tomorrow on GMM. you