0:03

Getting up early

0:03

every morning in order to do my

0:06

studying in order to have time

0:06

for that sort of stuff. And so

0:09

how it grew and developed in is

0:09

actually stuck over the years.

0:13

So to answer your question

0:13

rising early, getting up and

0:17

getting started with my day,

0:17

having time for more getting

0:20

myself going on work for at

0:20

least initially, before anybody

0:25

else's even know that has served

0:25

me so well.

0:29

Today we are

0:29

talking to Carey green. Carey is

0:33

the host of one of the top

0:33

morning daily devotionals. If

0:37

you Google daily devotionals.

0:37

His podcast comes right up. And

0:42

which podcast is that you're

0:42

asking? It's the morning mindset

0:46

daily Christian devotional. I am

0:46

a podcast host interviewing a

0:51

podcast host. So without any

0:51

further ado, so you don't have

0:55

to listen to my voice any

0:55

longer. Carey Green. Welcome to

0:59

thought hustle. Today we have

0:59

the honor of bringing on Carey

1:04

green. How are you doing today?

1:04

Carey ?

1:07

I'm doing good. Dan,

1:07

it's good to be with you. I hope

1:10

that we can have a conversation.

1:10

It's beneficial to anyone who's

1:13

listening.

1:14

I have no doubt

1:14

that we will I was listening to

1:17

your podcast. Spoiler alert.

1:17

Carey has a podcast and I just

1:20

thought it was amazing. You have

1:20

such a wonderful voice for a

1:23

podcast. As I was listening. I

1:23

was like, This is so soothing. I

1:27

was listening this morning. Like

1:27

I really enjoy this. So Carey , would

1:31

you start out by

1:31

telling the audience a little

1:33

bit about yourself? Your

1:33

background? Is Harry.

1:37

Yeah, well, that's a good question. I've been asking that my whole life. And it seems

1:39

seems like I get different

1:42

answers different seasons in my

1:42

life. I guess if I put it all in

1:46

a nutshell, what matters to me

1:46

most is that I'm a follower of

1:49

Jesus Christ, I have a family

1:49

that I just adore wife of 33

1:54

years and five kids, five

1:54

grandkids. Those are the things

1:58

that matter the most to me. As

1:58

far as what I've done, in the

2:02

time I've been on the planet, I

2:02

spent the first 20 years of my

2:06

adult life serving as a pastor

2:06

in small churches around the

2:10

United States. And so I got the

2:10

opportunity of serving people in

2:13

all kinds of life circumstances,

2:13

from the joys to the sorrows and

2:17

a little bit of stuff in

2:17

between. And in all that time

2:21

really developed a love for

2:21

studying and teaching the Word

2:25

of God the Bible, and that it

2:25

really is what my life has

2:30

centered around right now I have

2:30

a business that really has

2:33

nothing to do with that. But the

2:33

business is kind of to put food

2:35

on the table so that I can do

2:35

that through other means. And so

2:39

that's probably the podcast you

2:39

were referring to. It's called

2:42

the morning mindset, daily

2:42

devotional which I publish on a

2:45

daily basis, six minutes long.

2:45

It's just a little jaunt through

2:48

a passage of scripture every

2:48

morning and a prayer to get

2:51

people, as I always say, get

2:51

their minds aligned with the

2:54

truth of God. And that's what

2:54

I'm aiming at. So for those who

2:57

aren't, or wouldn't call

2:57

themselves Christians, I don't

3:01

mean to be pushy. When I point

3:01

all that stuff out. I just say

3:03

that's who I am. You know that?

3:03

That's, that's the answer to the

3:06

question.

3:07

Yeah. And

3:07

that's, that's absolutely

3:09

amazing. And I'm really, really

3:09

excited to bring you on. Because

3:13

just listening to your podcast,

3:13

I can tell that you have a

3:16

really great outlook on life.

3:16

And as a Christian myself, I'm

3:21

really excited to get to

3:21

interview a fellow entrepreneur,

3:26

who is basing what they're doing

3:26

their podcasts are on a daily

3:30

devotion. I think that's really

3:30

fun. But before we get into

3:33

that, I want to talk a little

3:33

bit about your side business.

3:36

Now I know that you run a

3:36

podcast editing and

3:39

transcription service. How did

3:39

you get into that? And you know,

3:45

what, actually preface that I

3:45

think it might be even a better

3:48

question. Did you get into that

3:48

before you got into podcasting?

3:51

Or did you start out with

3:51

podcasting?

3:54

Yeah, that really is

3:54

the what would you call it the

3:57

gateway drug into a business

3:57

like I've got is, is doing your

4:00

own podcast, which is exactly

4:00

what I was doing. I was starting

4:04

to publish a podcast back

4:04

probably 2013 called Christian

4:07

home and family. And it was

4:07

about, you know, family life and

4:11

marriage and parenting and all

4:11

those things and what the Bible

4:14

has to say about those things.

4:14

In the process of producing that

4:17

podcast, I experienced all the

4:17

pains that any independent

4:20

podcaster experiences, the

4:20

editing, the writing of notes,

4:24

the posting to social media,

4:24

dealing with all the tech, every

4:27

bit of that was a pain to me

4:27

just like it's a pain to most

4:30

podcasters. But because I loved

4:30

the opportunity, I had to get a

4:34

message out that I cared about,

4:34

it was worth doing for me. Well,

4:38

fast forward a year or so. And I

4:38

was helping a friend who I'd met

4:42

online, kind of manage some

4:42

technical things he was dealing

4:45

with with some audio and we were

4:45

doing some editing and getting

4:49

some things lined out for his

4:49

podcast. And he said to me, you

4:53

should make a business out of

4:53

this. And I had recently

4:56

resigned from my pastoral role,

4:56

just feeling that call for That

5:00

was gone. And really was looking

5:00

for what's the next thing in

5:04

when he said that, to me, it was

5:04

just a huge light bulb that went

5:07

on for me, because knowing the

5:07

pain points myself, it really

5:12

was an easy way to convince

5:12

myself yeah, of course, people

5:16

need this service, I just have

5:16

to figure out how to how to kind

5:19

of organize it and get it out

5:19

there in a way that people would

5:21

be drawn to. And so we did start

5:21

the podcast production company,

5:26

back in 2015. And it has just

5:26

exploded, it's been a great

5:31

blessing from the Lord have a

5:31

way to provide for my family.

5:35

And then some, we model the

5:35

business around a different set

5:39

of principles than many

5:39

businesses are, we do want to

5:42

make a profit. But we don't

5:42

necessarily want to make the

5:44

profit so that we can get filthy

5:44

rich, or even a little bit rich,

5:49

our desire is to use what the

5:49

business generates, to bless

5:53

people, and primarily starting

5:53

with our team. So there are

5:57

people on our team that we pay

5:57

more than what their position is

6:00

really worth simply because we

6:00

know they need that help. And

6:03

they need that opportunity to

6:03

get themselves out of a

6:06

difficult position. That's just

6:06

one example. We we try to use

6:09

the funds that come into the business in all kinds of creative ways. But as a result,

6:11

we don't have huge profit

6:15

margins, like a lot of

6:15

businesses do. But that's where

6:18

I have to remind myself, you

6:18

know, that's, that's not our

6:20

goal. Our goal is to help people

6:20

and we're doing that. And so

6:24

that's, that's a little bit

6:24

about that business.

6:28

No, that's

6:28

absolutely fascinating to me.

6:32

And I want to ask, Have you

6:32

always had an interest in

6:35

building a business? Was this

6:35

the first endeavor that you ever

6:38

embarked on? I know, you started

6:38

out 20 years as a pastor going

6:42

to different churches. During

6:42

that time, did you start

6:46

anything of your own? Or was

6:46

this the first endeavor you ever

6:48

embarked on?

6:50

Yeah, I would say this

6:50

is the first real business that

6:53

I've started. When I was a kid,

6:53

I remember going around the

6:56

neighborhood and picking up

6:56

hubcaps, that had flown off cars

6:59

on the side of the road and taking them down to a local resale shop and selling them to

7:01

the guy there who would then

7:04

resell them. And I just thought

7:04

that was great that I could earn

7:07

money from trash that I picked

7:07

up on the road, you know, and

7:09

then, when I was in college,

7:09

there were these T shirts that I

7:13

was making just kind of hand

7:13

drawing this stuff on a shirt

7:15

that people seem to like, and so

7:15

I was selling those here and

7:18

there just one at a time. And,

7:18

you know, wasn't very good at

7:21

the business side of things.

7:21

Because I just calculated Well,

7:24

took me you know, four hours to

7:24

make that shirt and, you know,

7:27

eight bucks an hour. Sounds

7:27

good. So 32 bucks, but you know,

7:30

I really should have gotten a

7:30

lot more than that for the time

7:33

I was putting in. So, you know,

7:33

little things like that, that

7:36

I'd done before. But you know,

7:36

my mom says, That's proof. I've

7:40

always had an entrepreneurial

7:40

bug. And now that I look back on

7:43

it, she's exactly right. I've

7:43

just always liked to figure out

7:46

solutions to problems. And that's really what entrepreneurism is all about.

7:50

Yeah, no, and

7:50

you're completely right on that.

7:53

And the reason I ask is, because

7:53

a lot of times I speak to

7:57

individuals, and they've started

7:57

a lot of different things, some

8:00

things work, some things don't.

8:00

And I find it fascinating that

8:03

this was one of the first

8:03

business endeavors that you

8:05

actually embarked on, and it's

8:05

worked out for you very well so

8:09

far. So I want to dive a little

8:09

bit into the creation of that

8:14

business, from the viewpoint of

8:14

someone who has, who has this is

8:18

their first business, because I

8:18

think there's a lot of

8:21

similarities when you get into

8:21

the nitty gritty of building a

8:24

business. So you building a

8:24

podcast editing platform and

8:27

transcription service, I think

8:27

that could relate just as easily

8:31

to a cleaning business or a

8:31

Shopify store, once you get down

8:36

into it. So how did you get

8:36

started? What were the first

8:39

steps? And what were some of the

8:39

difficulties that you came

8:43

across?

8:44

Yeah, well, the first

8:44

client I had is that guy that I

8:47

was helping do the editing. His

8:47

name's Jason, he had a podcast

8:50

at the time, and just figured he

8:50

would help me out. Well, that

8:54

one client enabled me to hone my

8:54

skills, get better at editing

8:59

myself and figure out ways to do

8:59

it faster and better and more

9:02

effectively. And then as time

9:02

went on, and it wasn't much

9:07

time, he would refer me to

9:07

somebody or I'd come across

9:11

somebody who had a need. And so

9:11

then I had a second client and a

9:14

third and a fourth. And, you

9:14

know, as you grow, you discover

9:19

real quickly that you're

9:19

essentially trading time for

9:22

money when you're the one that's

9:22

doing the work. You're the

9:24

technician. You're the one

9:24

investing yourself into the

9:27

process of creating something

9:27

for these people and doing the

9:30

service and they're paying you

9:30

for that you're trading time for

9:33

money. That's that's the way

9:33

that that I look at it. A

9:36

business to me is not that what

9:36

I would say that is is more

9:41

freelancing. You're You're the

9:41

provider of the service and you

9:44

love doing what you do. And the

9:44

honest truth, Dan is I didn't

9:48

really love what I was doing.

9:48

The editing was fine. I could do

9:51

it. Well, I feel like I'm better

9:51

than most. But it wasn't just

9:55

something that really cranked my

9:55

my engine and got me going. So I

9:59

quickly decided covered, if I

9:59

don't want to be doing 30

10:02

episodes of editing every week,

10:02

I need to bring on some help.

10:06

And so my oldest son, who is a

10:06

very good editor, it is alright,

10:09

was looking for some work at the

10:09

time. And so I brought him in.

10:13

And he's still with me to this

10:13

day, he still works as a very

10:16

integral part of the business,

10:16

helping us to do editing and

10:19

manage audio and things like

10:19

that. But the point I'm getting

10:23

to is, if you're going to build

10:23

a business, you'd learn very

10:25

quickly, I can't do all this by

10:25

myself. And so you bring on a

10:29

team and you figure out how to

10:29

hire and you refine your

10:33

processes as you go. And you

10:33

know, there's a lot of mistakes

10:36

that are made, and a lot of

10:36

things you do that work, okay,

10:39

but they're not optimized. And

10:39

then when you figure out how to

10:42

optimize them, you think, you

10:42

know, why didn't I learned that

10:45

five years ago, that's just an

10:45

amazing change. And it's really

10:48

moving the business forward. And

10:48

then you add other services, you

10:51

find out what are the things

10:51

that I'm offering that have very

10:55

natural complements that go

10:55

along with and so we added show

10:59

notes to the process, and we

10:59

added artwork to the process,

11:02

and we add RSS feed management

11:02

to the process. I mean, there's

11:06

just all kinds of things that we

11:06

can offer, that are directly

11:09

related to the same clients we

11:09

have. And that really helps.

11:12

Because when you have existing

11:12

clients, and you add a service

11:15

that they also could use, it's

11:15

much easier to sell an existing

11:19

client on a new service that is

11:19

to sell sell a non existing

11:22

client on any service. And so

11:22

you just learned lessons like

11:26

that, that you can often

11:26

increase revenue by just selling

11:29

the clients who already have on

11:29

something new. The key though,

11:33

is to do everything you do very

11:33

well, or else they're going to

11:36

go elsewhere. You also have to

11:36

put more into it than just the

11:40

expertise of what you're doing.

11:40

Because quite honestly, any

11:44

company out there that offers

11:44

podcasts editing, can do as good

11:47

a job as we do. That's just the

11:47

honest truth. But what we offer

11:52

that I believe they don't offer

11:52

is that we care more, I train my

11:56

team to really care for the

11:56

clients care for their message,

11:58

we were wanting to optimize

11:58

everything to make their message

12:02

front and center for them, so

12:02

that they're able to be

12:04

successful, because when they're

12:04

successful, we're successful.

12:07

And when we're successful,

12:07

they're successful. It just, it

12:09

feeds itself. And so, you know,

12:09

you have to find a

12:13

differentiator that sets you

12:13

apart from everyone else. And,

12:17

you know, that's just some of the lessons I've learned. But you know, I've, I've just really

12:19

enjoyed the process in I don't

12:23

think I would ever go back and

12:23

change anything, because all the

12:26

mistakes I've made are the

12:26

things that have taught me how

12:29

to overcome them, and move

12:29

forward in the business.

12:33

Yeah, and there

12:33

are so so many things that you

12:36

said there. And it just got me

12:36

thinking you're talking about

12:39

how when you're building a

12:39

business, you should be doing

12:41

the things that you love, you

12:41

should be an owner and not an

12:44

operator. And I think there's a

12:44

time when you first start a

12:47

business where you kind of need

12:47

to be an operator, as opposed to

12:50

an owner and operator being that

12:50

person who's on the ground

12:53

floor, you're doing the work

12:53

yourself, you're editing, you're

12:56

transcribing you're writing the

12:56

show notes. But then as you

12:59

start to grow as you start to

12:59

bring other people on, you can

13:02

train them. And that's why it's

13:02

important that as an owner, you

13:05

are an operator for a little bit

13:05

because then you're able to

13:07

train others. And one thing that

13:07

I see people do over and over

13:11

again, and you touched on this.

13:11

And I think this is really

13:14

important for everyone

13:14

listening, who wants to start

13:16

something is people just don't

13:16

get started. They talk about

13:19

forever about I want to build a

13:19

business, I want to do this, I

13:22

want to do this, but they never

13:22

get started. And usually it's

13:25

for some silly reason, like I

13:25

don't have the time, I don't

13:28

have the money or whatever. But

13:28

you really just need to jump

13:31

into it. And it's like you said,

13:31

as you go along, you realize,

13:35

hey, I could do this, I could do

13:35

this I could add on. But if you

13:38

don't take that first step to do

13:38

the big thing, you're never

13:40

going to do it. And I saw the

13:40

exact same thing with my

13:43

podcast, I'm still learning as I

13:43

go. I just learned a couple of

13:46

months ago, how to build good

13:46

audio grams that actually were

13:50

interesting and engaging. And

13:50

it's something as simple as that

13:53

a little short soundbite that's

13:53

actually visually appealing,

13:57

that can really make the

13:57

difference. And as you go, you

13:59

get better. And you can add on

13:59

to things. So the biggest thing

14:03

that I think the biggest

14:03

takeaway from this is if you're

14:05

someone who's listening to this,

14:05

and you want to start something

14:07

is take that first step, build a

14:07

website, just do something,

14:12

reach out to someone, try out

14:12

the product, see what works and

14:16

take those first steps. Because

14:16

as you go, you start to get

14:19

better, you start to learn more

14:19

things. And that's exactly what

14:22

Kerry is saying here.

14:24

Yeah. And Dan, I'm, I

14:24

might just say, I had the

14:27

blessing of having no income.

14:27

And so I had to do something,

14:32

you know, I was pushed into it.

14:32

And it was perhaps that that

14:37

motivated me to keep going even

14:37

though it was hard and even

14:40

though things didn't pan out

14:40

always like I thought they

14:43

would. But I would just echo

14:43

your encouragement to listeners

14:46

that you won't know what you can

14:46

do or how well you can do it or

14:50

even how big it might become

14:50

unless you start. You just never

14:54

will know. I never imagined that

14:54

this podcasting business would

14:58

be serving 50 clients a month.

14:58

But it is, I wouldn't have

15:02

imagined that we'd have 12 to 13

15:02

team members at any given time.

15:06

But we do, I wouldn't have

15:06

imagined it would have set me up

15:09

with, with income that then

15:09

allows me to do my passion

15:13

projects on the side. But it

15:13

does. And it never would have

15:17

happened if I hadn't just gotten started.

15:20

Yeah, and I'm

15:20

really, really glad that we're

15:24

diving into this now. And I want

15:24

you to go a little bit into what

15:28

do you mean, when you say it was

15:28

a blessing that you had no

15:31

income? Most people are gonna

15:31

hear that and think Kerry is

15:33

insane. What does he mean? So

15:33

what do you mean, when you say

15:37

you were blessed to have no

15:37

income when you started?

15:39

Well, I had to put food

15:39

on the table. And I had to

15:43

figure it out. You know, it

15:43

wasn't a thing where a real or

15:47

normal kind of job was an option

15:47

for me because I lived in a

15:50

small mountain town at the time.

15:50

And I loved where I lived. So I

15:53

didn't want to move. And so I

15:53

just went around looking for

15:57

jobs that were open in the

15:57

community that I could take on

16:00

and support my family of there

16:00

were five of us in house at the

16:03

time. And so I'm getting this

16:03

application and it pays $15 an

16:07

hour, I'm getting that one, it

16:07

pays 20. And getting that one,

16:09

it pays 18. And I'm doing the

16:09

math, and realizing I can't work

16:13

enough hours a week to support

16:13

my family at these rates, I've

16:18

got to do something else. And so

16:18

it was a blessing that I had

16:22

such a need and such desperation

16:22

because it drove me to make

16:27

something work where I can

16:27

optimize my time in the amount I

16:31

could make for my time, and in a

16:31

business really is a way that

16:35

you're able to do that.

16:37

Yeah, I think

16:37

that's so true. And as you're

16:40

talking about that, you're talking about how you're getting job application applications,

16:42

you realize, hey, this probably

16:46

isn't going to be enough to

16:46

support my family. Unless we're

16:49

living out of a cardboard box.

16:49

Why is it that you ended up

16:53

moving away from the past or it?

16:53

So I know that for 20 years you

16:56

were doing that? What kind of

16:56

sparked this area in your life

17:00

where you had no income? And you

17:00

were looking for jobs outside of

17:03

that Pastor job?

17:05

Yeah, good question.

17:05

I'm not sure I still, to this

17:08

day know the complete answer. I,

17:08

I believe that serving people in

17:14

the capacity of a minister or

17:14

pastor is not the kind of job

17:18

that you can do as what I would

17:18

call a hireling. Meaning, I just

17:22

do it to get the paycheck,

17:22

because I need the paycheck. I

17:25

don't think pastoring that's an

17:25

option. Because the people that

17:28

you're serving, are coming to

17:28

you with the most intimate

17:32

details of their lives. They are

17:32

sharing with you because they

17:36

trust you in they need someone

17:36

who they know is in it, heart

17:41

and soul. And a point came in my

17:41

life where that sense of calling

17:46

just felt like it had gone in, I

17:46

don't ask me where it when or

17:50

why I don't really know, I just

17:50

feel like it was removed. And my

17:54

wife was feeling it first. And I

17:54

felt it a little a little later.

17:58

And as we talked about it, we

17:58

just kind of process the whole

18:00

thing. And our eventual

18:00

conclusion was, we don't think

18:03

we're supposed to be doing this

18:03

anymore. And so because I felt I

18:08

shouldn't be a hireling. I

18:08

talked to the guys who helps me

18:13

leave the church, the elders

18:13

that are particular church, and

18:15

I said, Hey, I think this is

18:15

what's going on with me. I'm

18:18

going to need to resign, but I

18:18

don't want to leave you guys in

18:20

the lurch. So let's work out a

18:20

plan to transition into some

18:25

sort of a search team that can

18:25

find a new pastor, and we'll

18:28

offload some of my other

18:28

responsibilities to people who

18:31

can handle those in the interim,

18:31

and all that. So we got all that

18:33

set up. And then I resigned, and

18:33

I stepped away. And Dan, I had

18:38

no job lined up. I didn't know

18:38

what I was gonna do. And people

18:41

say you were crazy. But I don't

18:41

think it was that I really think

18:45

it was just being convinced that

18:45

that I can't just continue doing

18:49

this job for the money. The

18:49

people deserve more than that.

18:52

And so I stepped away not

18:52

knowing what I was going to do

18:55

tried a couple of random things

18:55

throughout the year and a half

18:59

before I started the business.

18:59

And, you know, it all just came

19:02

together. I think as I was

19:02

walking in a relationship with

19:05

the Lord, he just guided me step

19:05

by step. He paid the bills as we

19:09

needed them paid and, and open

19:09

doors when they needed to be

19:12

opened. And I learned a lot in

19:12

the process.

19:16

Yeah, and I

19:16

think that is really, really

19:18

true. My my dad's actually a

19:18

pastor. And I think that's

19:21

really true. If you're in it for

19:21

the money then you might be, you

19:24

might have made the wrong career

19:24

choice. You can't really be a

19:28

pastor and be expecting to

19:28

always have that coming. So I

19:31

want to talk a little bit about

19:31

your resignation. I mean, that

19:34

must have been really difficult.

19:34

And the reason I dive into this

19:38

for everyone listening is

19:38

because all of these things

19:41

parallel. You'll hear

19:41

entrepreneurs who say I had I

19:44

worked at McDonald's or I had my

19:44

dream job but I had a calling

19:47

and I knew that I had to start a

19:47

coaching business or I had to

19:51

start a makeup company, whatever

19:51

it might be. And they say it was

19:54

the hardest thing ever for me to

19:54

leave that job because it was

19:58

comfortable. I was used to it

19:58

but I just didn't that I had to

20:01

leave. And it sounds like Carey

20:01

, that's exactly what happened

20:04

to you, you realized, hey, this

20:04

isn't for me anymore. And I want

20:08

to talk, I want you to talk to

20:08

the audience about how, how do

20:11

you make that really difficult

20:11

decision to say, All right, I

20:15

need to just step into the

20:15

unknown, because that is where I

20:18

need to be now.

20:20

Boy, us the hardest

20:20

question in the interview right

20:24

there. It's, there's no formula,

20:24

I'll just tell you that. What I

20:29

would say was the guiding light

20:29

for us was that my wife and I,

20:36

our entire married life have

20:36

worked hard on two things in

20:39

particular number one, is that

20:39

each of us stays very tight with

20:43

the Lord relationally speaking,

20:43

we, we study the Scripture,

20:47

we're in prayer a lot, we just

20:47

spend time learning to hear his

20:50

voice learning to follow his

20:50

lead, etc. Secondly, we spend a

20:55

lot of time keeping on the same

20:55

page with each other. So that if

20:58

there's a disagreement, or a

20:58

division, or a place where we

21:01

don't see eye to eye, we don't

21:01

give up on it until we do. And

21:04

we had been in a habit and a

21:04

routine of doing that, so that

21:07

when we hit this crunch time,

21:07

and had to make a decision like

21:11

this, it didn't feel that hard.

21:11

Even though we have the

21:17

potential of no income looming

21:17

before us, and we have the

21:20

questions of what am I going to

21:20

do next looming before us, it

21:23

didn't feel so scary, because

21:23

we'd already kind of built up

21:26

those muscles throughout the

21:26

course of our marriage. And so,

21:29

you know, I know that's not real

21:29

helpful on a practical level.

21:32

But it's, it's really where I

21:32

found myself, and it's how we

21:36

went about making the decision.

21:38

I think that support system, like you're saying, is really, really

21:40

important. Stepping into the

21:43

abyss, when you have a strong

21:43

support system, it makes

21:46

everything else a lot easier.

21:46

And it sounds like you could

21:49

rely not only on your wife, but

21:49

also on God when you're kind of

21:53

stepping into that. And it all

21:53

ended up working out in the end.

21:58

Now, I want to transition back a

21:58

little bit more into the

22:02

business side of things as you

22:02

have built a business. And I

22:06

know at the beginning of the show, you said it's incredibly important for you to have a

22:08

strong relationship with God and

22:11

a strong relationship with your

22:11

family. Those were the two

22:13

priorities that you named at the

22:13

beginning. How How is it that

22:17

you have balanced work and life?

22:17

And was this difficult to do in

22:23

the beginning?

22:24

It's always difficult

22:24

not just in the beginning. And I

22:27

don't tend to think of it as

22:27

work life balance, I think of it

22:30

as work, work life integration,

22:30

I think they are both aspects of

22:36

who we are, and of our time on

22:36

the planet. And we have to learn

22:39

how to integrate them. My wife

22:39

has always been and continues to

22:45

be my greatest friend and my

22:45

best support. As part of our

22:50

relationship, we try very hard

22:50

to every day have time to sit

22:54

and talk. And that talking

22:54

sometimes is as mundane as, what

22:59

are you doing today? What are

22:59

you doing today? How are? How

23:02

are we going to arrange the schedule? Who's going to take the car, you know, logistics,

23:03

and things like that are a part

23:06

of it. But there's also those

23:06

parts of the conversation that

23:10

are are you feeling encouraged

23:10

today? Are you feeling positive

23:13

today? What's the Lord saying

23:13

you today, you know, all those

23:16

kinds of things are a part of

23:16

that as well. And so working

23:19

together as a team is vital. And

23:19

I think for business owners,

23:23

especially because you hear so

23:23

many stories of the charge hard

23:28

charging CEO who retires with

23:28

millions in the banks and is

23:32

single because he's divorced

23:32

from his third marriage and his

23:36

kids hate him. You know, that

23:36

just cannot be for the Christian

23:40

entrepreneur, especially, we are

23:40

called to lies of integrity,

23:44

first of all, and all the

23:44

worldly success that we see is

23:48

great when it comes in, it's a

23:48

blessing. But we can't let the

23:50

blessing turn into a poison for

23:50

the things that really matter,

23:54

which are those relationships

23:54

and the integrity that we're

23:56

trying to build. So, you know,

23:56

my my view on it is work life

24:00

integration. And you have to

24:00

work that together if you're in

24:03

a family situation.

24:06

That was those some really, really good insight. And it got me thinking,

24:08

I often am intrigued by people

24:13

who have really strong

24:13

relationships, especially with

24:17

regards to marriage. And I was

24:17

very blessed to grow up with

24:21

parents who loved each other

24:21

showed me what it meant to love

24:24

one another seek to grow

24:24

together. And that's a huge

24:28

blessing. And not everyone has

24:28

that. And would you I know this

24:32

is a little while, of course

24:32

it's personal. It's a podcast. I

24:36

don't hold back, as you know,

24:36

would you tell us a little bit

24:38

about what are some of the

24:38

things that you've seen in

24:41

marriages that work? And what

24:41

are some of the things that

24:43

you've seen in marriages that don't?

24:47

Well, I think the thing

24:47

that I described earlier, in a

24:52

nutshell is lack of

24:52

communication does not work. You

24:57

can't expect to just live as

24:57

roommates. and have a marriage

25:02

that's worth much. You can

25:02

expect just to share the minor

25:06

details of life and not the

25:06

deeper issues of the heart and

25:11

have a marriage that's going to

25:11

be rich. You can't expect to

25:14

have different views on

25:14

spirituality and the things that

25:20

make you who you are, and expect

25:20

to be able to walk in unity

25:23

throughout the course of your

25:23

life together. It just won't

25:26

happen. And so all of that

25:26

centers around the issue of

25:31

communication, you've got to

25:31

make it a priority. I don't know

25:34

if you've ever heard the

25:34

illustration that Steven Covey

25:38

has given about the big rocks if

25:38

you heard that, Dan.

25:43

I'm not sure it. Could you Sure? Yeah. Yeah. Well, Stephen Covey,

25:44

he's the author of Seven Habits

25:48

of Highly Effective People. In

25:48

in his seminars, he was famous

25:52

for this illustration, he would

25:52

take a great big glass jar. And

25:56

he would call someone up from

25:56

the audience, and he would tell

25:59

them, I'm going to do an

25:59

illustration here using this

26:02

jar. And I want you to watch

26:02

very carefully and at certain

26:05

points along the illustration,

26:05

I'm going to ask you questions,

26:08

just to answer honestly. And

26:08

then at the end, I'm going to

26:11

ask you the point of the

26:11

illustration. And I say, Okay,

26:15

no problem. So he gets this jar,

26:15

and he takes these big rocks,

26:18

conch river rock, you know,

26:18

they're probably five, six

26:21

inches in diameter. And he puts

26:21

them in the jar until there's

26:24

two or three that are sticking out the top, you know, it's filled all the way up. And he

26:26

asked the person, is the jar

26:30

full? And they say, Well, yeah,

26:30

it looks full to me. And so then

26:34

he reaches under the counter,

26:34

and he pulls out a bucket of

26:37

gravel, and starts pouring

26:37

gravel in and shaking it down

26:40

into the gaps in the holes until

26:40

there's gravel sticking out the

26:43

top. And he says, Now, is the

26:43

bucket full? And the person

26:47

says, Well, I think so but

26:47

probably not. And so he, he

26:53

continues to do this until he's

26:53

poured in sand. And then he's

26:56

finally poured in water. And he

26:56

asks him at the end, what is the

27:02

moral of this illustration? What

27:02

am I trying to teach you? And

27:06

people typically say things

27:06

like, you can do more than you

27:09

think you can do. Or you have

27:09

more time than you think you do.

27:12

You just have to know how to use

27:12

it. Well, you know, things like

27:14

that. And he would say to them,

27:14

that those messages are what

27:18

your culture has taught you.

27:18

That is not the the truth of

27:22

this illustration. What this

27:22

illustration is teaching you is

27:25

that if the big rocks don't go

27:25

in first, they don't go in. They

27:31

won't fit in those big rocks

27:31

represent your biggest

27:34

priorities. And that's what I'm

27:34

talking about when I'm talking

27:37

about communication with your

27:37

spouse. It's a big rock, it's

27:40

something that has to go in the

27:40

jar of your life first, in

27:44

before most other things so that

27:44

it doesn't get left out, because

27:48

I can testify to you, it will

27:48

get pushed out if you don't

27:51

prioritize it. And so that's why

27:51

we try to have a daily time.

27:55

When we talk right now we're

27:55

doing it when we walk in the

27:58

morning, take the dog and walk

27:58

and we talk. Sometimes in our

28:00

life when we had little kids,

28:00

we'd have to tell the kids,

28:04

we're going to have a couch time

28:04

you guys go play and we'd sit on

28:06

the couch and we talk. You just

28:06

have to make it happen. To me,

28:10

that's the key to seeing a

28:10

marriage that blossoms.

28:15

Wow, I have read

28:15

Stephen Covey's book. But it's

28:20

been so long, I'm kicking myself

28:20

now I realize I need to reread

28:23

that book. But that is so this

28:23

is such an amazing analogy. And

28:29

I really appreciate you sharing

28:29

it. If you don't have those big

28:32

things solid foundation set,

28:32

then you're going to end up

28:35

pushing them out. And as soon as

28:35

you start to lose those, then

28:38

everything else falls apart. So

28:38

thank you for sharing that, as

28:41

you're telling that story. I was

28:41

reminded of reading about that a

28:45

long time ago. And it's just

28:45

it's such an amazing just

28:49

example of how important it is

28:49

to keep the foundations, the big

28:53

things in your life to always

28:53

make sure that those are set and

28:57

how easy it is for us to lose

28:57

sight of that and to start to

29:01

push them out. So thank you for,

29:01

for sharing that. That was

29:04

absolutely amazing.

29:06

Yeah, no problem at all.

29:08

Now, I want to

29:08

talk a little bit about your

29:11

podcast that you started. Now

29:11

you started this in 2013. And I

29:15

know today you have I believe

29:15

around 40,000 downloads an

29:19

episode, which is absolutely

29:19

amazing. How long have you been

29:24

doing the podcast? Why did you

29:24

get started? I know that you

29:27

mentioned that you really enjoy

29:27

it. You really enjoy doing it.

29:30

And it's a daily thing. But what

29:30

was that deciding factor where

29:33

you decided I'm going to start a

29:33

podcast I'm going to do every

29:36

day and I know you have over

29:36

1500 episodes now. How did you

29:41

stay motivated for so long?

29:41

Yeah.

29:43

All good questions. Let

29:43

me correct a few things there.

29:47

We've been publishing since

29:47

January of 2018. So it wasn't

29:50

2013. We also do publish daily

29:50

as you said, What motivated me

29:56

to get started was just to say

29:56

sense of recognition in my own

30:03

life and in the lives of people

30:03

that I had worked with

30:05

throughout the years that we all

30:05

seem to struggle with the

30:09

discipline of opening up our

30:09

Bibles and spending time reading

30:13

it. Now, there's a lot of

30:13

reasons for that. Sometimes it's

30:15

because we don't understand what

30:15

we're reading very well, or

30:18

because the names in the Old

30:18

Testament especially, are really

30:21

long, and we don't know how to

30:21

pronounce them. And so it feels

30:24

a little intimidating. Some of

30:24

it, I think, is just pure

30:27

laziness. I'll be honest that

30:27

that was my story for a long

30:30

time. And so I recognized that

30:30

tendency in myself and in

30:35

others, and I realized that it

30:35

might be helpful in this busy

30:39

world we live in, if there was a

30:39

resource that existed that

30:42

helped people in a quick,

30:42

digestible, simple manner. To

30:49

learn the Scripture day by day

30:49

just eating an elephant one bite

30:53

at a time, in order to get their

30:53

mind aligned with what God says

30:59

is true for that particular day.

30:59

And I say that phrase all the

31:03

time on the podcast is time to

31:03

get our minds aligned with the

31:05

truth of God's word. Because I,

31:05

I've understood about myself,

31:08

that my mindset, and my focus on

31:08

the truth, leaks, it leaks out

31:15

overnight, it leaks out because

31:15

of circumstances, it leaks out

31:18

through the course of the day.

31:18

And I've got to replenish it day

31:21

after day after day, I've got to

31:21

just rebuild my foundation of

31:25

truth again, and again. And you

31:25

could say that about all kinds

31:29

of things that leak, but that's

31:29

what I was focusing on. And so

31:32

my thought was, if I start this

31:32

at the new year, January 1 2018,

31:38

it would probably be a very

31:38

optimal time, because many

31:41

people are doing new year's

31:41

resolutions about their

31:43

spiritual life, wanting to get

31:43

into the Bible looking for some

31:46

way to help them with that, I

31:46

figured that would be an optimal

31:49

time to start. And so that's

31:49

what I planned. And the way I

31:54

did it, the first year was I

31:54

would record four or five of

31:58

these little six minute episodes

31:58

per day, five days a week. And

32:04

so I got way ahead in my

32:04

recording schedule. And I think

32:07

I was done with all of 2018 by

32:07

late July or early August. And

32:12

that worked, but I didn't really

32:12

like it as much. For some

32:16

reason, it just felt less fresh

32:16

to me, and, and a little more

32:20

demanding personally. And so

32:20

I've adjusted that schedule. And

32:24

now I record seven episodes at a

32:24

time. Currently, I'm doing that

32:28

every Thursday morning, or

32:28

rather, every Wednesday morning.

32:31

And then they start publishing

32:31

on the following Friday. So I'll

32:35

have two episodes still to go

32:35

when I start to record the next

32:38

seven. And that feels a lot more

32:38

manageable to me, and it feels a

32:42

lot more fresh in my own spirit.

32:42

And so when people write to me

32:47

and say, I love what you said

32:47

today on the podcast, well, I

32:49

still have somewhat of an idea

32:49

what they're talking about,

32:52

because it wasn't months ago

32:52

that I recorded it. And so

32:55

that's where we're at as far as

32:55

the the stats, and then

32:58

listeners and all that. I mean,

32:58

it's important because each of

33:01

those numbers is a person. But I

33:01

don't try, I try not to focus on

33:06

the stats, because I'm just

33:06

trying to trying to serve in the

33:09

way that I know how to serve.

33:09

And regarding the downloads, you

33:14

know, it's it's pushing 50,000

33:14

downloads per day. And I and I

33:19

need to clarify something if

33:19

people aren't familiar with

33:21

podcast stats, that per day

33:21

number is not necessarily

33:25

today's episode only. It's

33:25

today's episode, and anything

33:30

else in the back catalogue that

33:30

somebody found and downloaded.

33:33

So we are averaging around

33:33

50,000 a day. But for the for

33:36

the current episode. It's

33:36

usually within the two to 3000

33:41

downloads the first day. And

33:41

then by the end of 30 days, it's

33:46

around 15,000 downloads. And so

33:46

it's a blessing. It's just a

33:51

growth that I never would have

33:51

expected. And it's enabled us to

33:55

do some amazing things in terms

33:55

of meeting listeners, supporting

33:59

listeners, we've started a

33:59

nonprofit off the back of the

34:02

podcast that is really serving a

34:02

lot of needs. It's just been a

34:06

great blessing to see how it's grown.

34:09

That's absolutely amazing. And I appreciate you correcting me

34:11

there. It seems I can just throw

34:14

out random numbers and you'll

34:14

let me know what the actual the

34:18

correct ones are. So yeah, yeah.

34:18

I appreciate that Carey , and I

34:22

appreciate you being patient

34:22

with me as I try to figure that

34:26

out. And for everyone listening,

34:26

I would strongly recommend that

34:29

you listen to the podcast, it

34:29

really is great. It's six

34:33

minutes if you wanted to start

34:33

your day or if you wanted to

34:36

even end your day listening to

34:36

them. Probably start your day

34:40

because the latest episode

34:40

published today is the titled

34:43

stay awake. So maybe don't do

34:43

that before you go to bed. But I

34:47

wanted to ask before we start to

34:47

wrap up. What are some habits or

34:51

routines that you have in your

34:51

life that have made a positive

34:54

impact on you and your family?

34:57

Yeah, when I was in

34:57

college college a little bit of

35:02

a backstory, I was not the

35:02

greatest student going into

35:05

college. And in high school, I

35:05

made C's, I just did what I had

35:08

to do to get by. And you know,

35:08

an occasional a would wind up on

35:12

my report card from something

35:12

like band or something like

35:15

that, you know, but as far as

35:15

academics, I wasn't the academic

35:18

guide. But when I hit college, I

35:18

don't remember exactly what

35:21

happened. But something dawned

35:21

on me that, you know, these

35:23

grades might have something to

35:23

do with what I do with my life.

35:26

So I might want to be a little

35:26

more diligent about that. And so

35:30

in college, I realized I was

35:30

going to have to study I was

35:32

going to have to work a lot harder than I had in high school. And so I tried doing

35:34

that at first, in the evenings

35:38

after the day was done. And I

35:38

lived in a dorm. And that just

35:42

proved impossible for me just

35:42

too many distractions, too many

35:45

opportunities to get pulled away

35:45

from what I knew I should be

35:48

doing. And so I started working

35:48

at getting up early every

35:53

morning in order to do my

35:53

studying in order to have time

35:55

with the Lord, that sort of

35:55

stuff. And it's a habit that

35:57

grew and developed in his

35:57

actually stuck over the years.

36:00

So to answer your question,

36:00

rising early, getting up and

36:04

getting started with my day,

36:04

having time with the Lord

36:07

getting myself going on work, at

36:07

least initially, before anybody

36:12

else's even out of bed has

36:12

served me so well. There's just

36:16

something about the quiet of the

36:16

morning and the peacefulness

36:20

that exists, then that has just

36:20

been a real blessing to me

36:23

personally, as far as other

36:23

things that have served the

36:27

family well. I think, striving

36:27

to develop as humble of an

36:33

attitude as you can, as a

36:33

spouse, as a parent, recognizing

36:38

you don't know everything, and

36:38

you definitely need help, and

36:42

the people around you have come

36:42

around you because they believe

36:47

in you and you believe in them,

36:47

and you're actually on the same

36:49

team. And so you you learn to

36:49

leverage that in humility to

36:54

your benefit that that they have

36:54

something to teach me and so

36:58

trying to kill things like

36:58

defensiveness and, and

37:00

retaliation and, you know, bad

37:00

responses, those kinds of things

37:05

that I mean, they just really

37:05

have no place once you look at

37:07

it from a humble perspective.

37:07

So, so I found humility to be a

37:10

massive, massive tool that God

37:10

has used to try and craft me

37:15

into something more than I am.

37:15

And I think my entire family

37:19

has, has experienced that as

37:19

well, because it manifests

37:22

itself in so many different

37:22

ways. You know, when when dad

37:26

loses his temper and yells at

37:26

somebody for something, you

37:29

know, humility, at some point is

37:29

going to demand an apology is

37:33

made and that the kids know

37:33

Dad's human too, but but he also

37:37

makes it right when he blows it.

37:37

And, and to me, that kind of

37:41

integrity, not only teaches your

37:41

kids how they should be in the

37:45

world, but it also shows them

37:45

what it looks like to be that

37:49

way, and gives them something to

37:49

aspire to that they can respect.

37:52

So those are the two things that

37:52

come to mind immediately. I'm

37:56

sure there's a lot of others.

37:58

Yeah, there's

37:58

always so many. And I know it's

38:00

a really difficult question to

38:00

answer. But I think you did a

38:03

beautiful job of it. And I just

38:03

wanted to kind of right off what

38:08

you're saying there about

38:08

humility. And it is so true. And

38:11

for everyone listening, you

38:11

should always remember that

38:14

every single person out there

38:14

there is at least one thing that

38:17

they can teach you. There is

38:17

always something that can be

38:20

taught. So you should never

38:20

approach someone and feel as if

38:23

you're superior, you're not

38:23

you're an equal, everyone can

38:27

teach you something. I have five

38:27

year old six year old cousins

38:30

who are teaching me new things

38:30

every single time that I see

38:33

them. So always approach it with

38:33

a point of humility. And I say

38:37

that because that is something

38:37

that I have struggled with in

38:40

the past. So it kind of just

38:40

jumped out at me. And I wanted

38:45

to thank you, Kerry for touching

38:45

on that. And now I'm going to

38:48

start to wrap up, we're going to

38:48

go over to our final four

38:52

questions. These are questions

38:52

that I like to ask every single

38:55

guest, just so that we can learn

38:55

a little bit more about them. So

38:59

first of all, what is one thing

38:59

that you would challenge the

39:02

listeners to do today and moving

39:02

forward and with the rest of

39:06

their lives that you believe

39:06

would make a positive impact

39:10

impact in their lives and in

39:10

their future?

39:13

I think this is a thing

39:13

I learned from my dad not so

39:17

much from his words, but from

39:17

his actions. And that is to

39:20

develop a belief and an attitude

39:20

that you can figure things out.

39:26

Too often we let hurdles and

39:26

obstacles deter us from taking

39:31

on new challenges or pushing

39:31

through some difficulty. And my

39:35

dad was just brilliant at

39:35

figuring things out. Just, you

39:39

know, with his hands with stuff

39:39

out in the garage, with finances

39:43

with whatever it was just an

39:43

attitude of we can figure this

39:45

out. And I believe that that's a

39:45

reflection of how God has made

39:51

us in His image. You know, God

39:51

is the ultimate creator and he's

39:55

made us creative. We too can

39:55

create in and innovate and

39:59

figure things out. And there's

39:59

really very little limit to it.

40:02

If we just rely on the gifts

40:02

He's given us and move forward

40:06

instead of get stalled.

40:09

I really like

40:09

that challenge, develop the

40:11

belief in yourself that you can

40:11

figure it out and you will

40:15

figure it out. That's really

40:15

good. And that's a challenge

40:17

that we have not had. Yes. So

40:17

thank you for sharing. What

40:20

would be your top book recommendation?

40:23

Yeah, the very best

40:23

book I've ever read. And I never

40:25

say this about books. But this

40:25

book has changed my life. In

40:29

it'll, it'll definitely

40:29

resonate, given what I said

40:31

earlier is a book called

40:31

humility. spag on Andrew Murray,

40:36

who was a pastor in South Africa

40:36

back in the late 1800s, early

40:40

1900s, I believe. And it's one

40:40

of those books that you read

40:43

three or four sentences, and you

40:43

just have to stop in you have to

40:46

ponder it and think about it and

40:46

chew on it. And I mean, it's a

40:50

short little book, but it takes

40:50

me months to get through it. And

40:53

I, I read it at least once a

40:53

year, usually twice a year. It's

40:58

just a life changing book.

41:01

That's a recommendation we have not had on the show. So that's humility

41:03

by Andrew Murray. And there will

41:06

be a link to that in the show

41:06

notes. Where can people learn

41:10

more about you?

41:11

Yeah, the best place is

41:11

just Careygreen.com. And my name

41:15

is spelled a little differently

41:15

than you might have seen before.

41:19

So it's C A R, E. Y. Green, just

41:19

like the color.com.

41:25

Awesome. And you

41:25

can also check out the morning

41:27

mindset, daily Christian

41:27

devotional, if you're listening

41:30

to the podcast now just look it

41:30

right up. And I'll come right up

41:34

for you be sure to subscribe.

41:34

And what is One fun fact about,

41:39

you

41:40

know, well, in a lot of

41:40

random, bizarre things, but an

41:45

interesting fact, you know, and

41:45

if you've ever played that liars

41:48

game, where everybody makes up

41:48

two lies and one truth and then

41:51

you are two truths and one lie,

41:51

and you have to figure out which

41:53

one's the truth. I always tell

41:53

people, my one of my truths is

41:58

that I was one struck by

41:58

lightning. And you know,

42:01

everybody immediately thinks

42:01

that's a lie. But it's not it

42:03

really happened.

42:05

That's

42:05

absolutely amazing. Are you

42:07

going to tell us the story?

42:07

You're gonna leave us with that

42:10

cliffhanger?

42:11

No, you'll have to

42:11

contact No, I won't do that to

42:13

you. Yeah, my dad was umpiring a

42:13

baseball game, which he did

42:17

quite often. And I was down at

42:17

the ballpark just fooling around

42:20

while he was he was working. And

42:20

the storm clouds started rolling

42:24

in. And thunder and lightning

42:24

were were banging around a

42:27

little bit. And so I knew my dad

42:27

would probably be calling the

42:30

game pretty soon. So I ran over

42:30

to the field where he was, and

42:34

you know, he had a ballpark, you

42:34

can stand right against the

42:37

fence and put your hands up in

42:37

the chain link, you know, and I

42:39

was standing there hanging on

42:39

the chain link in a bolt of

42:43

lightning came down and hit the

42:43

pole, right next to the chain

42:46

link fence. And it just, you

42:46

know, obviously, the electricity

42:52

just went right down through the

42:52

fence. And, you know, gave me a

42:56

big jolt and cramped up my arms.

42:56

And you know, I was probably

42:59

eight years old, I was just

42:59

immediately crying. And, you

43:03

know, trying to get my hands off

43:03

the fence. I couldn't let go for

43:06

a while and quite an experience.

43:06

Yeah, I can guarantee I'll never

43:10

forget it.

43:11

Wow, shocking results.

43:13

Yeah, I knew you would say that.

43:16

I'm sure you've

43:16

heard that plan way too many

43:19

players. That's so me. I suppose

43:19

amazing is the wrong word. But I

43:23

think that's one of the most

43:23

interesting, fun facts that

43:27

we've had. So thank you for

43:27

sharing that care. Yeah. And

43:30

thank you so much for joining us

43:30

today. It's been my pleasure

43:34

getting to interview you, I've

43:34

had such a blast, and I

43:38

appreciate your time. Absolutely

43:38

appreciate yours. Of course.

43:42

Man, that was a really good

43:42

story. And my favorite thing was

43:46

Carey . He was a youth pastor

43:46

for 20 years, he realized, hey,

43:50

I want to do something else, I

43:50

have a different calling. And he

43:54

said, I'm going to start a

43:54

podcast, he just jumped into the

43:58

unknown, he stepped into the

43:58

unknown. And that's a really

44:02

difficult thing to do. But when

44:02

you start to study successful

44:06

people, you're going to realize

44:06

a lot of these folks step into

44:10

the unknown, they step into

44:10

scary places, they quit their

44:13

jobs, or they leave what they're

44:13

doing. And I'm not saying do

44:17

this, if you have a family, but

44:17

I'm saying they have a calling.

44:22

Now, there's something that you

44:22

know, you know, that you should

44:26

do. And there's a part of you

44:26

that says, No, you won't do

44:29

this. The part of you that knows

44:29

you should do it. You oftentimes

44:34

you drown over and over again,

44:34

until it's just a bubbling,

44:38

bubbling. You can't hear that no

44:38

wind saying No, I won't do that.

44:42

And that no drowns the knowing.

44:42

Now, why do I say I see it

44:46

because I want you to reawaken

44:46

that knowing and stop saying,

44:51

what is it in you that

44:51

you know you should be doing?

44:56

And what is it that you're

44:56

saying no. Start to To drown the

45:00

person that says no to Jordan

45:00

and start acting. There's a

45:09

reason. You know what, because

45:09

you have a company that shows

45:15

the upstanding life get standing

45:15

first and don't drown gracefully

45:21

open up to it.

45:21

That's how you're going to start

45:24

to flourish. That's how you're

45:24

going to find satisfaction, joy,

45:29

and all the things you've ever

45:29

wanted in your life. So stop

45:33

saying no to your knowing. And

45:33

I'm gonna ask you for one thing

45:37

today, it's not leave a review.

45:37

I know you always hear the end

45:41

this show. I'm asking you to

45:41

share this episode with a friend

45:46

if you got any value out of it.

45:46

And if you know of a friend who

45:50

would benefit from it, and

45:50

here's the truth, you know, a

45:54

friend who would benefit from

45:54

it. Because I benefit from it.

45:58

You benefit from it. Everyone

45:58

benefits from this amazing host

46:02

from this amazing guest Carey

46:02

green, so do not pass up on this

46:06

opportunity to share it with a

46:06

friend. And thank you for

46:10

listening. I appreciate you my

46:10

dear listeners. This is Daniel

46:14

Goerner signing off from thought

46:14

hustle.