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treasures behind Chamber of Secrets. Chapter fourteen:

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Cornelius Birds were worse. Worse though worthwhile.

1:39

Actually, I don't even know if in

1:42

this chapter he is the worst, but

1:44

I also don't think he deserves the

1:46

have this chapter named after he. I'm

1:48

not sure why it's necessarily. Named after

1:50

him. He's not like like Book Five,

1:53

the worst in the way that he

1:55

will eventually become, but he is that

1:57

there's like shades of it, their shit.

2:00

of it for sure, for sure. I mean, it's like, I, there's,

2:03

there's probably like commentary to

2:06

be made about the level

2:09

of reaction, read

2:12

the opening of the Chamber of Secrets inside

2:15

of this chapter that I think is

2:17

disproportionate based on everything else that has

2:19

happened the rest of the year. Yeah.

2:21

It's very much like, it's kind of

2:23

like, you know, there are

2:25

people actively being attacked

2:28

in the school. There is

2:30

unknown, like, like hate text

2:32

being painted on the walls,

2:35

presumably in blood. And basically

2:37

the school is just sort of like,

2:39

yeah, well, it's happening, but you know

2:41

what? These things happen, right? You know,

2:44

it's like you, you almost have to

2:46

get the feeling that like petrification

2:49

is just is like not like

2:51

in the wizarding world. It's just sort of

2:54

like someone got petrified. That's a bummer. But

2:56

like, yeah, I mean, obviously we'll just sort

2:58

of undo it. Right. Like, it must not

3:00

be registering. I guess people don't even know

3:03

though that well, like they're sort of hushing

3:05

it up. But the other thing was that

3:07

apparently it's happened before. And it's

3:10

like, this is, this is the, you're right.

3:12

It's like the timing of everything is what

3:14

seems so weird because like, they're like, well,

3:16

it's been four attacks got to be seen

3:18

to be doing something. And it's like, why

3:20

is four the number? Right? Like, if you

3:22

think it's the Chamber of Secrets, and

3:25

this exact pattern happened before, and

3:27

you are like 1000% sure you

3:30

caught the right person last time, and

3:32

that person still works at the school,

3:34

like, immediately, you should

3:36

like you should have gotten Hagrid immediately. That's

3:39

the thing. Yes. Yeah. And so I think

3:41

what I find interesting about this chapter, and

3:43

we can we can talk about now or

3:45

talk about them. But like, you know, the

3:48

idea here is that the chapter is titled

3:50

Cornelius fudge, because we're being introduced to the

3:52

Minister for magic for the first time where

3:54

he's showing up, basically to prove to the

3:57

wizarding populace that he is on top of

3:59

the six. situation, that like

4:01

action is happening, it's taking

4:03

place, like not to worry. And it's

4:06

like on that level, I

4:09

do feel like from like a politician's standpoint, there is

4:11

like the need in

4:13

instances like this where it's like, you know, you need

4:15

to show that there is progress

4:17

because otherwise people are going to be like, yo,

4:19

what are we doing about the problem? And it's

4:21

like, oh, we're currently doing nothing. You

4:24

know, so it's like, in general, people want to

4:26

see there being progress to be made. And it's

4:28

like, the question is, are the attacks inside of

4:30

this chapter just the first time that

4:32

the greater wizarding populace is being made

4:35

privy to the situation at all? Yeah,

4:37

I don't know. It's like, it's really

4:39

the phrasing of his sentence, got to

4:41

be seen to be doing something. Right?

4:43

Yeah, you're right. It's like, the only

4:45

reason I'm doing it is so that

4:47

I'll be perceived as handling the problem.

4:50

He's not even like of the mindset,

4:52

like, we need to handle this problem.

4:55

You know? Right, right, right. Not

4:57

like we've got to do something because it's

4:59

like you are doing something. You're doing exactly

5:01

what you should be doing, presumably. Yes. Right?

5:03

Like, like, it's not like got to be

5:05

seen. I'm only arresting Haggard so that I

5:07

will be seen as doing something. I'm not

5:09

arresting Haggard because I think he did it,

5:12

which I still do think, which

5:14

is the weird thing. Well, that's the question. So it's

5:16

like, in my mind, I almost have to imagine because

5:18

I know that going into

5:20

Order of the Phoenix is like, we'll

5:22

learn more about like fudge's relationship with

5:24

Dumbledore and sort of like, I think

5:27

maybe his possible, you know, imposter syndrome

5:29

relative to Dumbledore's brilliance, where it seems

5:31

like for most of his time in

5:33

office, he's usually written to Dumbledore to

5:35

get advice from Dumbledore. Yeah. In terms

5:37

of like, you know, how should we

5:40

be going about things? Like, you know,

5:42

while Dumbledore doesn't want to accept the position himself,

5:44

you know, he's like happy to like consult in

5:46

the comings and goings. And so inside

5:48

of this chapter to me, it definitely reads as

5:50

though fudge like does have a deep respect for

5:53

Dumbledore. Like, you know, even even like when Lucius

5:55

Malfoy shows up, it doesn't really come

5:57

across to me like like

6:00

Fudge is on Lucius' side. Oh, definitely. I

6:03

mean, he definitely is sort of like, hold

6:05

on, hold on. I'm doing this for some

6:07

political points, but if you want to act

6:09

like that, we definitely should not be removing

6:12

Dumbledore. We all agree on that, right? Yeah.

6:14

Yeah. It seems like that's, that's basically the

6:16

spot that he's in. And so in my

6:18

mind, I mean, again, assuming Fudge is always

6:21

just mostly looking out more for himself than

6:23

anything else. There's a piece

6:25

of me that wonders like whether or

6:27

not like he knows that by coming

6:30

here under these circumstances and enacting the

6:32

plan of the governors of the school, which, you know,

6:34

this book is really the only book I think we

6:36

ever, maybe in prisoner. Do we hear a little bit

6:38

more about the governors? Doesn't matter. They

6:40

make it seem like the governors are going to

6:42

be like a big deal. Yeah. They're going to

6:44

constantly be a thorn in your side. Right. Right.

6:46

Like, or that we should know any of them

6:48

at all other than Lucius Malfoy. Right. Yeah. Who

6:50

are the other 11 governors? Right. Yeah.

6:52

We never have any idea. We don't know. It seems

6:55

like they're becoming like the Quidditch matches and stuff. It

6:57

definitely seems like, yeah, these are patrons of the school

6:59

who are, who are like, you know, uh, like

7:02

stepping into a board of directors position,

7:04

probably due to their prominent roles and

7:06

other aspects of wizarding society or else

7:08

because their own children are at the

7:10

school or that. Yeah. Yes, indeed. Um,

7:13

but so anyway, I think, you know, like

7:15

the, the tight space that I'm imagining Fudge

7:18

being caught between here is basically like being

7:20

called to perform a particular action because to

7:22

your credit, it's sort of, or to your

7:24

point, rather, it's like, it's like, why didn't

7:26

they do this from the start? And in

7:29

my mind, Fudge probably in from the start,

7:31

like wasn't feeling enough pressure from the rest

7:33

of the world. And was like, I don't

7:35

really want to like rock the boat in

7:37

my relationship with Dumbledore. So like, I'm gonna

7:39

not do that, you know, and, and then

7:41

it's sort of like, okay, well now my

7:43

hand is forced and the optics are getting

7:45

really bad. So it's kind of like a

7:47

Peter Pettigrew kind of situation. I mean, like,

7:49

I think it is Dumbledore who says it

7:51

in, maybe, maybe it's in the fourth movie

7:54

or something, or maybe it's in one of the books,

7:56

but it's something along the lines of like Fudge

7:59

is doing. like what is easy not what

8:01

is right sort of thing. Sure. And it's

8:03

sort of like that's sort of been the

8:05

case the whole time because it's like you're

8:07

at like what's what's easy is not rocking

8:09

the boat with his relationship with Dumbledore despite

8:11

students being attacked and the suspect of the

8:13

last occurrence of

8:15

this 50 years ago still being present at

8:17

the school. Right. You know, it's like Dumbledore

8:20

couldn't help but notice I got a

8:22

report about students being petrified. This happened

8:25

again. Right. 50

8:27

years ago happening now got to do something. Sorry

8:29

about that. Like, right. That's what like that's that

8:31

that's the right thing to do immediately. Right. As

8:33

opposed to the easy thing of just like, well,

8:35

Dumbledore's got it. He says it's not a problem.

8:37

It's not a problem. Right. Right. Right. Like, and

8:39

it's like, if this is such a weird thing

8:41

to argue because like, like, of

8:43

course they're all wrong about Hagrid. Yeah.

8:45

Yeah. But like, as we know, they're wrong. We

8:47

know they're wrong, but they don't know they're wrong

8:50

and they think they're right and if they think

8:52

they're right and they aren't, I mean, I mean,

8:54

again, this is all based on just Tom Riddle's

8:56

word 50 years ago, but as far as they're

8:58

concerned, they are right. They know it's Hagrid and

9:00

so that they're not acting on it is bananas.

9:03

I know. That's the thing. That's like, what's

9:05

so weird about it though, is that it's

9:07

almost like, it's like Fudge's inaction is almost

9:09

more like, like his proper action is probably

9:11

something that we the leaders would be more

9:13

upset with. Like if they come and hold Hagrid

9:15

off from the very beginning, we'd be like, no,

9:17

what the heck? Like that's even more time he

9:19

unnecessarily had to spend an Azkaban. Like it obviously

9:22

wasn't him, but it's like, again, yeah. It's like,

9:24

it's not obviously not Hagrid and probably a lot

9:26

of this stuff should have happened way

9:28

sooner. Yeah, but it is, it's really hard

9:30

to be like arguing against Hagrid, against Dumbledore

9:33

in favor of like the ministry action. Right.

9:35

We, we, the readers know that the ministry

9:37

tends to not necessarily. We have all the

9:39

information. Exactly. Yeah. So it's, but you're right.

9:41

Yeah. So if you change your position inside

9:43

of the story a little bit, it's sort

9:46

of like, maybe, maybe this is, is the

9:48

correct, the correct course. Yeah. A lot of

9:50

weird decisions in this chapter. Yeah. Well,

9:53

let's just touch on the chapter art real quick. I

9:55

felt like this one was a little more meh than

9:57

maybe some of the others. It's basically just the

9:59

list. Lucius Malfoy brings to

10:03

cart Dumbledore away, I think. Yeah, I

10:05

know. I mean, it kind of, it

10:08

looks more like it could be the chapter

10:10

art for like Dumbledore's army. Yeah,

10:12

it does look more like that. Like at the top

10:14

of the list, it's just the big, very like

10:17

informally written Roman numeral 12.

10:20

Which I assume stands for the 12

10:22

governors. Almost certainly. Yeah. That, that stands

10:25

to reason. Yeah. I think I can

10:27

follow that logic. But otherwise, yeah, I

10:29

mean, it's a very like declaration of

10:31

independence looking long, lengthy, ancient

10:34

scroll type thing.

10:38

But yeah, I mean, really all of that. I mean, it's the name

10:40

of the chapter, but really most of this all like

10:43

this happens sort of like at the very tail end.

10:45

Yeah, just sort of right at the end there. Yeah.

10:47

So anyway, I guess you want to dive

10:49

in and we'll just we'll just kind of like work our way

10:51

through it. Yeah, we'll just we'll work our way through. I'm sure

10:53

we'll bring up a lot of the same points as we go.

10:55

But let's see. So we start out and

10:57

as a reminder at the end of the

11:00

last chapter, Harry flies back out of the

11:02

diary and realizes that oh my gosh, it

11:04

was Hagrid who opened the Chamber of Secrets

11:06

50 years ago. Yeah.

11:09

And so now they're sort of like they've always known

11:11

Hagrid had a liking for large monstrous

11:14

creatures, monstrous creatures. And then the first thing I highlighted

11:16

here was just like, here it was sure that Hagrid

11:18

would have gone to any links to a glimpse it

11:20

if he thought there was a chamber or if he

11:23

thought there was a monster like lurking

11:25

around the castle, which is an interesting, like

11:27

thought because like, it's

11:30

actually not even true. Because

11:33

like the last time the chamber was

11:35

opened, like Hagrid

11:38

wasn't looking for the monster. Sure,

11:40

sure. And I think like,

11:43

this is this this whole

11:45

book really is all about sort of like,

11:47

it's a big whodunit, I think is like,

11:49

what's really kind of going on.

11:51

And I think that this chapter takes that like,

11:53

get to another level. But I mean, we've talked

11:55

a lot about like, Percy being an obvious red

11:57

herring, there's sort of like the little mentions of

12:00

of Ginny being here, there, and everywhere. There's

12:02

all of Draco's slurs

12:05

and stuff like that that puts

12:07

him as an obvious center target.

12:10

There's Dobby at the very beginning who

12:12

is coming from someone somewhere. I

12:15

mean, probably it wouldn't be that hard to figure

12:17

out that it could be the Malfoy's, just if

12:19

you're assuming it's gonna be connected to someone we

12:21

know. I mean, they guess it pretty immediately. Right,

12:23

right. So

12:27

I don't know if, every good whodunit

12:29

you've ever watched, the way that

12:31

they usually unfold or read as

12:33

you're going through the story is

12:35

like, you basically think, well,

12:37

it can't be them. And then someone at

12:39

some point will build the case against them,

12:42

and all of a sudden it starts to

12:44

look really suspicious. Right. Now there

12:46

kinda is. Maybe it is them. There kinda is

12:48

something there. Like, he did make

12:50

that comment, and ah. You

12:52

know, and so I think this chapter

12:55

is basically like, you know, you would've

12:57

left on the cliffhanger last chapter of

12:59

being like, Hagrid, what? No, like the

13:01

gentlest, kindest, friendliest, you

13:03

know, just looking out for everybody, just

13:06

working hard, living in his humble existence,

13:08

like Hagrid. It's like, how could it

13:10

be? How could it be? And I

13:13

think that basically, to answer that question,

13:15

it's like, well, lest we forget that

13:17

he does have a giant three-headed dog

13:20

that's named Fluffy that was being used

13:22

basically, you know, in a

13:24

parameter where Dumbledore himself declares,

13:26

you know, do not go

13:28

to the third floor corridor

13:31

unless you wish to

13:33

suffer a most painful death. Yeah. You

13:35

know, it's like, okay, so Fluffy, a bit dangerous. Then,

13:37

you know, he's trading valuable

13:39

Hogwarts information for Norbert

13:42

and the dragon egg. Right. You

13:45

know, he's got Fang, who, I mean, for

13:47

all intents and purposes, Fang seems pretty okay.

13:49

Right, yeah. But otherwise, you know, he's just

13:51

always, he's always sort of like had an

13:53

affinity for large creatures

13:55

and such. So like, I suppose maybe like,

13:58

even if what's happening with Hagrid, or even if

14:00

what you're supposed to be believing about Hagrid as

14:03

a potential target is something along

14:05

the lines of like, well, maybe he wasn't

14:07

malicious in his intent, but maybe

14:09

his curiosity got the best of him.

14:11

Right. And then it got out of

14:14

control. Exactly. Yeah. And that's like a

14:16

grand example of like, okay, like there's

14:18

intent versus impact. You know, it's like,

14:20

if you were to assess the two

14:23

there, like if Hagrid was the one

14:25

who had opened the Chamber of Secrets,

14:27

his intention was not to read

14:30

the school of, yeah, muggle borns, just

14:32

to see the monster. It's raw curiosity.

14:34

Yeah, you know, so intentions are good.

14:37

Impact is bad. Myrtle dies on the

14:39

flip side. Then you've got someone like

14:41

Tom Riddle who like wants to open

14:43

the chamber to read the

14:46

school of, of muggle, of muggle, you know,

14:48

his, his like, you know, his intentions are

14:50

bad and the impact is bad. Yeah. You

14:52

know, so I, you know, it's, it's, yeah,

14:54

I don't know. So I think basically

14:57

it doesn't even seem the chapter doesn't even get

14:59

all the way through where you're suspecting Hagrid

15:01

of being the

15:04

potential villain. But I suppose there are

15:06

a couple of other instances that, that

15:08

maybe like could quietly still not exclude

15:10

him as we go

15:12

forward. Because one of the other big things, things

15:14

that we have happening inside of this chapter is

15:17

Harry's room is being like ransacked. Yeah. Yeah.

15:20

That, that is the other big thing that's

15:22

going to happen in a couple of pages

15:24

here. Let's

15:27

see. I guess we'll get to that. Okay. I

15:29

guess the other issue with Hagrid is that like, even if he

15:31

did it 50 years ago and he didn't mean to do it,

15:33

he can almost rule him out because it's like, but

15:35

why would he have opened it again? You know,

15:38

like what, what would make him

15:40

reopen it then? Right.

15:43

You know, right. Yes. Yeah. I mean, and that's

15:45

like one of those where, you know, it's,

15:49

it's like, is it a slow game?

15:51

You know, I mean, like Snape is

15:53

actively, quietly keeping a foot in

15:55

two camps for most of our, our saga and

15:58

everything. It's like, is there a way? world

16:00

where it's like okay you know I was gonna do

16:02

it to Harry on his first year but then

16:05

you know I mean it's like any good villain

16:07

all you have to do is just give them

16:09

the monologue and explain their story and then all

16:11

of a sudden it's like oh man oh right

16:13

like if I was gonna befriend you or whatever

16:15

yeah it's like hi I had one Dumbledore's trust

16:17

and I know I just had to buy my

16:20

time right I went very leopard yeah a little

16:22

bit there I normally go pirate whenever

16:26

I do Hagrid but

16:28

yeah I mean you could you could see that being like you

16:30

entered your first year and you know

16:32

you trusted me and I kept guiding

16:34

you towards the the danger right yeah

16:36

like I mean it's it's like after

16:38

all when you look at like Sorcerer

16:40

of Stone Philosopher of Stone like throughout

16:42

the whole saga like Hagrid

16:44

is the one who keeps slipping information you

16:47

know yeah he's got like a lot of

16:49

you know blood

16:51

on his hands right yeah for

16:53

sure yeah like any you know

16:55

he has them deal with Norbert

16:58

instead of him doing it himself

17:00

and right yeah anyway so

17:02

we get to the next page here her mind

17:04

he says riddle might have got the wrong person

17:06

which is a very clever way to phrase this

17:08

sentence I think because it makes you like you

17:10

agree with Hermione and it's even true that riddle

17:13

riddle got the wrong person because of course riddle

17:15

is the one doing it right but it's like

17:17

it's like that like throws like blame away

17:20

from riddle it's like riddle might have got

17:22

the wrong person it's like yes you want

17:24

to believe Hermione like that's true he might

17:26

have gotten the wrong person it's like but

17:28

like because she phrases it like that you

17:30

don't think that it is riddle I know

17:32

I know like it's just that he made

17:34

a mistake not that riddle did it yes

17:36

exactly I think that that does that

17:39

does like sort of continue a little bit she

17:41

does have like one of those Ron moments from last week

17:44

where it says maybe it was some other monster that

17:46

was attacking people and it's like yes yes

17:49

it was if it was dead dead

17:51

ringer that ringer is exactly correct and

17:53

then I love how Ron responses how

17:55

many monsters you think this place could

17:57

hold like well so far fluffy Norbert

17:59

to troll the giant squid,

18:01

Aragog, so a bunch. Technically

18:05

more than you would expect. It's a pretty big

18:07

castle. Yeah. Pretty big

18:09

castle. Then we go back to sort of pointing the

18:11

gun potentially at

18:15

Percy again. Yep. Where

18:17

Ron makes the comparison, like Riddle does

18:20

sound like Percy. And this is

18:22

kind of interesting to me because I think

18:24

to your point about Hermione where it's like she's

18:26

saying something where it's like, okay, let's take the

18:28

blame off of Hagrid. Riddle probably still

18:30

a good guy. The other thing that's happening

18:33

with Riddle that I think is interesting inside

18:35

of all this is that Harry keeps relating

18:37

to Riddle. To Riddle,

18:39

yeah. So he's this dark-haired

18:41

orphan boy who kind of

18:43

sees Hogwarts as his

18:45

home. He's been celebrated as a

18:48

little bit of a hero. So

18:50

they're kind of one for one

18:52

in a lot of different ways.

18:55

But then the comparison of Riddle to Percy, it's

18:57

sort of like, okay, now we're thinking like Riddle's

19:00

kind of like Percy. And Percy has also been

19:02

someone who's been at the center of our investigation

19:04

for most of the book. If you're just going

19:06

on your first pass and don't know anything else,

19:08

you certainly would have to be suspecting Percy at

19:10

least a little bit. Right. But then

19:12

the way this is Riddle does sound like Percy. So then it's like,

19:14

but if you think it's Percy, then does that mean you should think

19:16

it's Riddle? That's a good

19:19

point. Yeah. Yeah. But

19:21

then Ron's question is Riddle does sound like Percy. He asked

19:23

him to squeal on Hagrid anyway. As

19:25

if Ron's opinion is like, so few people

19:27

got attacked. Like don't squeal of it. No

19:29

one's there. Right. Right. Like, as

19:32

if you haven't been trying to figure out this exact

19:34

mystery all year. Right. And then Hermione

19:36

is of course like, but someone died Ron. Yeah.

19:40

Which of course, they did this last chapter

19:42

where they were like, oh yeah, a girl

19:44

died when like Dippett's talking to Riddle. And

19:46

it's like a girl died. And it's like, why

19:48

wouldn't you just say Myrtle died? Yes. You

19:51

know, you're doing the thing where you're vague on

19:53

purpose. You could have said whose name it was.

19:55

Right. Yes. Yes. I

19:58

mean, I feel like the book does, story

20:00

at large so far seems to do this

20:02

all the time where there's the hilariously bad

20:04

timing of anybody showing up every time Harry's

20:06

in like a compromised situation. I think in

20:08

this book there's gonna, or in this chapter

20:10

there's an instance like where it's like should

20:12

we go and talk to an adult? And

20:14

it's like no, we should definitely not go

20:16

and talk to an adult. Yeah, I mean

20:18

there is, I mean I think first I

20:20

highlighted, I loosely had it on the page

20:22

when Hermione's like, do you think we should

20:24

go ask Hagrid about it all? Yes, yeah.

20:27

Yes, please go do

20:29

that. Right. Because of

20:31

course eventually they do, but if they'd done

20:33

it then, then he

20:35

could've told them everything. Exactly, exactly, yeah, you're

20:37

dead right. And I mean this is like

20:40

I think what must have been like a

20:42

challenge in writing is just constantly needing to

20:44

like create this maze for the characters to

20:46

like walk through to where it's like should

20:49

we do this? It's like no we ruled

20:51

that out for good reason. Yeah, yeah. And

20:53

then four pages later we should definitely go

20:55

talk to Hagrid. Should we do that? Oh

20:58

it's too late now. Oh man. That

21:00

is, I mean that's so often because it's like I

21:02

wonder how often you're doing this like in real

21:04

life too, where it's just like I know I should

21:07

do that but that like might, that might, it

21:09

might like bother that person so I just won't. So

21:11

I just won't. I just won't, it's like if someone's

21:13

reading your book they're like why, just go talk to

21:15

them. No, I get you,

21:18

I get you. I literally had this happen yesterday

21:20

because I've been trying to keep seahorses for quite

21:22

some time. And I was communicating with the breeders

21:24

of the seahorses and I was like yeah I'm

21:27

using this like super high quality like frozen shrimp

21:29

food. And they were like oh no that's

21:31

way too big you should be using a smaller version. And

21:33

it's like one of these things were like one of the

21:35

first things I ever learned was this particular shrimp I always

21:37

use is like the best shrimp for the case. You

21:40

know it's like it's like the most nutritious

21:42

that there is. And then it was like

21:44

yeah but it's too big for seahorses small

21:46

little snoots. And I was like I never

21:48

even considered using a different food other than

21:50

the food that's obviously the best food. So

21:53

this just happened to me this week. Wow. As

21:55

you were describing that I was like I have to give this example. There it

21:57

is. Especially since it's seahorses. Yeah.

22:00

But then also manages an aquarium company.

22:02

Oh yeah, but now yeah, you're. Like

22:05

why they were looking at sea horses the

22:07

other or the contacts out the aquarium company.

22:09

So there's that. There's that loves it. So

22:11

there's I'd been like for much as four

22:14

months. is that what it says since the

22:16

last attack? I. Think yes for

22:18

Mariah Cincinnati isn't the only had the

22:20

snare Everyone seems. it's like all of

22:22

a sudden ever and seems to be

22:24

like, i guess it's fine, it's over.

22:26

Who even cares anymore Because like, ah,

22:28

Ernie Macmillan, ask Harry quite politely to

22:30

basket to pass a bucket of leaping

22:32

toadstools in her biology one day And

22:34

just like this, this to me, doesn't

22:36

add up at all because like. What?

22:39

Get like even if even if early as

22:41

decided you know what? Harry seems you

22:43

have given it up for months later. He

22:45

hasn't done anything what a laugh or my

22:48

rightly off while like use as far as

22:50

we know, He. Still thinks Harry did

22:52

it but I guess we just like life

22:54

he quit. Who even cares. Who can say

22:56

mad after for it would say mad he

22:59

petrified my friend. whatever. Know I think this

23:01

is early. I kind of agree with your

23:03

early assessment that may be petty parties and

23:05

is like in the was reading world not

23:08

as dire as we ten like as we

23:10

we would interpret or read it as England

23:12

is massively. Inconvenient. But

23:14

on the other know it is the second

23:17

year her biology class that that raises mandrake.

23:19

Yeah you know, so it's sort of like

23:21

yeah it's like email every year we gotta

23:23

be doing this patch of occasions gonna be

23:26

happening. We the and we raised the Mandrake.

23:28

We got all of our solution. Now. It's

23:30

like sometimes can happen. It's wizard. school you

23:32

know like i don't know if that could

23:35

possibly be like yeah the back of the

23:37

minds of people that it's inconvenient that it

23:39

happened right and like it is bad that

23:41

we don't know how it happened and it's

23:44

happened like a birds but like will fix

23:46

it arrived yet there's there's a solve nora

23:48

big deal yes or think as long as

23:50

it doesn't keep happening them are all right

23:53

yeah but honestly credits or while i'll i'll

23:55

get there in a minute or government worker

23:57

continue yep for the next like our page

24:00

basically just a whole bunch of prisoner of Azkaban

24:02

set up as the

24:05

second year's I'll have to choose their new

24:07

subjects and they're trying to figure out what

24:09

they're gonna do Ron Ron surprises me and

24:11

says like we keep all our old subjects

24:13

I had a ditch defense against the dark

24:16

arts which I guess he's assuming it'll just

24:18

be Lockhart again the next year the pattern

24:20

hasn't really revealed itself to Ron yet right

24:22

yeah yeah which you know based on the

24:24

fact that like he said brothers going there

24:26

for years and nobody's ever had the same

24:28

DADA professor for four years straight it seems

24:30

like it should be pretty evident it should

24:33

be yeah but it is crazy to me

24:35

that I highlighted that exact same line because I was

24:37

like it's so crazy for me to think that any

24:39

of the golden trio would be like yeah you know

24:41

the fence comes to dark arts who needs it right

24:43

that that ends up being like all of their speciality

24:46

yeah right that's a big one that is the big

24:48

one that's like the most important class yeah that they

24:50

end up taking so in her mind

24:52

I get that she says no but that's very important and

24:55

then it's kind of interesting just to sort of

24:57

see like the different ways and like which everybody

24:59

is attempting to figure out like what to take

25:01

we get kind of mention of I think

25:04

arithmetic and ancient runes yeah we

25:06

get mention of divination by Percy

25:08

surprisingly yeah when he says it

25:10

depends where you want to go

25:12

it's never too early to start

25:14

thinking about the future so I'd

25:16

recommend divination which is just like

25:18

Percy is pro divination I mean

25:21

he gets an OWL in it so I

25:23

guess he must either be successful and or

25:25

at least understand how to take the test

25:27

or whatever yeah no I know I know

25:29

that's like I mean that's the thing is

25:31

that like Trelawney is not a very good

25:33

teacher I don't think I mean good I

25:35

think that's safe to say yeah like

25:37

the OWL seem more like a

25:39

standardized test that may be out devised

25:41

by the professors themselves yeah so I mean

25:44

this is not I mean I'm sure anybody

25:46

you know could could relate to a

25:48

scenario where you had a not so good

25:50

teacher for a course but you

25:52

like even if you didn't learn from them maybe you

25:54

still like self-taught yourself yeah like from the book from

25:56

the book or whatever so it's like you know my

25:59

my teacher wasn't very

26:01

good, but I still was able to

26:03

eventually understand the basic fundamentals of high

26:05

school chemistry. Yeah. Even like

26:07

Lavender and Parvati get to the point where

26:10

they're like, oh, the stars are like

26:13

this. That means that. And

26:15

Forenz is like, that's complete bananas.

26:18

But it's the sort of thing that they seem

26:20

confident in saying because they've read it in the

26:22

textbooks. I'm not sure if you're, oh, WL

26:25

is like, read these tea leaves. And Percy looks at it.

26:28

And it's like, yeah, that looks like a hat. That means

26:30

this. I memorized it out of a

26:32

book. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Like

26:35

that's probably good enough for the test. Right. Right.

26:37

Or the way he phrases the sentence is that it's like

26:40

he's taking divination as a way to literally glimpse into his

26:42

own future. Well, I mean, yeah,

26:44

if there's anybody who I think has kind

26:46

of got like the vanity maybe, you know,

26:48

like attached to their trajectories, I could see

26:51

Percy holding on to some of that

26:53

and hoping to catch a glimpse of his future

26:55

glory or position as Minister for Magic

26:57

or something. Yeah. But

27:00

I think the other way, the main thing,

27:02

this like the way in which they're all

27:04

choosing different classes and stuff is just supposed

27:06

to introduce you to all of what the

27:08

new classes will be because they mentioned ancient

27:10

runes and arithmetic and divination and care of

27:12

magical creatures and maybe even muggle and muggle

27:14

studies. Right. So I think I think that's all

27:16

of them. So it's like a very concise way to be

27:18

like, yes, here's what we can look forward to in book

27:21

three. I know. Yeah.

27:23

Yeah. So that's kind of fun. It's

27:26

always nice to see that. I was going to say as

27:28

we entered this week's chapter, so our last few chapters have

27:30

been such heavy hitters. And I was like, I could see

27:32

this one being like a little bit more tame because yeah,

27:34

literally like you've got the

27:36

you've got the title being Cornelius Swatch who barely

27:38

shows up in the chapter at all. The

27:41

image is the list, which is just not

27:43

even that important of an artifact to the

27:45

overall story. And we use an

27:47

entire page just talking about what classes they're

27:49

going to take next year with

27:52

no really significant chamber of secrets plot

27:54

points being discussed at all. Yeah, not

27:56

really until I suppose we get to

27:59

our next. page here. The next thing

28:01

that happens is Harry

28:03

returns to the Gryffindor common room and

28:06

to discover that someone has just

28:08

gone through all of his stuff

28:10

and clearly been looking for something.

28:13

But and of course we

28:15

know that this is Ginny looking for Riddle's

28:17

diary, which she finds. But

28:19

what is crazy to me about

28:21

this is that we

28:23

also are told that they are the Gryffindors

28:26

have been given the second years have been

28:28

given something new to think about over the

28:30

Easter holidays, which

28:32

is when they're looking at all the

28:35

class schedules for next year and whatever.

28:37

Right. And when Ginny initially

28:39

realized that Harry had the diary

28:41

was way back on Valentine's Day.

28:44

So it has taken her a good

28:46

like six weeks to suddenly

28:49

decide like I got to do something

28:51

about this like time to time to

28:53

act. Time to act. And it's like

28:55

what like why doesn't this happen like

28:57

on February 15th? Right now this happened

28:59

like because Ginny what the reason she

29:01

does this is because she's afraid Harry

29:03

is going to figure out how the

29:05

diary works and figure out she's the

29:07

one doing it or that she's

29:09

been the one responsible. It's like what like

29:12

if that's your fear that is like

29:14

happening tomorrow, not a minimum

29:16

of six weeks later. Yes. Yeah. This

29:18

is one of those things where I

29:21

think like time is always very wimbly,

29:23

wobbly. Yeah. When it comes to all

29:25

of these books, it's unbelievable

29:28

how any any page you

29:30

read any interaction that Harry

29:32

has in class, something eventful

29:34

is always happening. But it means

29:37

prior to you know, like like

29:39

really the distance between Valentine's Day

29:42

and where we're at right now.

29:46

So little must be going like Harry must just

29:48

be actually having like regular every regular classes. Yeah.

29:50

The school like they're not making any progress. They're

29:53

not like really discussing any more about the Chamber of

29:55

Secrets. There's no other attacks. Like it's just been like

29:57

kind of like a tame stretch of

29:59

time. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's been but

30:01

but but a big stretch of time for

30:03

Ginny to suddenly just be like well That's

30:06

enough enough. I'm getting up there. I'm getting up

30:08

there I'm doing it Maybe she had to devise

30:10

a way to do it because we do know

30:13

that when the boys try to go up to

30:15

the girls dormitories It's like the the stairs. Yeah,

30:17

like flatten out into a slide and like a

30:19

caterwauling charm. Yeah Yeah, so

30:21

it's like maybe maybe it's like okay You got a fun

30:23

like a strategic way to get up there like she ran

30:25

a rope up to the top But it's not the girls

30:27

can go to the boys dormitory. Oh, yeah the other way

30:29

around Hermione comes up to the boys You're right. You're right.

30:31

Yeah, yeah I was I

30:33

was trying to lend some credence to a scenario that it takes

30:35

longer than you'd expect in order to get up there

30:38

But can't even do that I can't even do

30:40

that Ginny just suddenly I guess I guess she

30:42

just finally freaks out enough to go do it

30:44

cuz she breaks into the boys dormitory room And

30:46

steals the diary. Yes, so this is

30:48

this is another one of those like kind of in the

30:50

vein of like the who done It so like throughout the

30:52

story You know your you are

30:55

you're you're kind of being given glimpses your you

30:57

as a reader can be Hypothesizing

31:00

you can be focusing in on the various

31:02

like red herrings and trying to determine whether

31:04

or not there's like enough Meat

31:07

on those bones right to like pointed

31:09

accusation at somebody to me What's really

31:11

big about the end of this scene

31:13

right here is the is the sentence

31:15

that says but? Only

31:17

a Gryffindor could have stolen nobody

31:19

else knows our password. Yeah. Yeah

31:21

to which I wrote Well you

31:23

got yo you guys personally broke

31:26

into the Slytherin common room earlier

31:28

this year. Oh well There's that

31:30

there's that yes, but like you

31:32

know like Harry's reaction saying exactly

31:35

Harry to me is sort of like okay

31:37

now if you're the reader It's like it's

31:39

a Gryffindor right it almost has to be

31:42

right a Gryffindor Which even that you know

31:44

it's like you're like no Gryffindor's are the

31:46

good guys Right? How could it be? They can't

31:48

be the ones that like you know attacking the school.

31:50

That's so unlikely I Mean that means it's someone in

31:52

our camp, so it's like at that point in time

31:54

It's like okay. Could it could it be Percy right?

31:56

You Know it's like yeah This is when you're really

31:58

supposed to narrow in like. Our own almost

32:01

as to be. Who else could it be

32:03

an almost as to be. But but then

32:05

the next thing that happens in in the

32:07

chapter is we cut hard? Got to quit

32:09

his yeah you know they wake up to

32:11

a brilliant sun, shine a light, refreshing breezes.

32:14

Yeah there's like because they're like it has

32:16

to be a griffon door anyway. Quidditch flip

32:18

wait what? No wait what? What happened next?

32:20

Yahoo to Basis did it again. Like can

32:22

we be as easy as of like circle

32:24

around the common room, give them alibis or

32:27

anything or exactly exactly. yeah cause it seems

32:29

it seems that anybody and Griffin or commoner

32:31

like wheat. somebody ransacked your room like yeah,

32:33

that's important for all of us know because

32:35

we all live here right? exactly. everybody's gonna

32:37

want to know what's up. but now now

32:40

where that we harkat over to quit as

32:42

which I also think is kind of interesting

32:44

because I'm you know the it's it's you

32:46

know like whatever Oliver super excited or eating

32:48

their breakfast or out to the quidditch pitch

32:50

in the process of going out. The quidditch

32:53

bit of. I. Believe Let's see

32:55

here: he hears the skills as

32:57

time and let me repeat their

32:59

own or whatever. And there's such

33:02

false promises. Merciless announcers rip someone

33:04

to shreds. Why don't you? I

33:06

dare you. I dare you. Believe

33:10

your allies we all talk We know

33:12

it was is no bite Yes yes

33:14

exactly exactly So anyway I'm Harry hear

33:17

that you're tearing around her mind You

33:19

know ah are mighty immediately has a

33:21

brain losses harry I think of to

33:23

sonos. Assessing I got to go to the

33:26

library? Just isn't She runs away. In

33:29

doing so, basically now they they go on

33:31

down to the quidditch pets where everybody's getting

33:34

all wind up. I'm and out of nowhere

33:36

Professor Mcgonigal comes charging onto the field carrying

33:38

an enormous purple megaphone Which is like one

33:40

of those scenes where I'm like I'm like

33:43

if they did this in the movies I

33:45

probably would have critique did and then somebody

33:47

would have a like know that's Kane and

33:49

actually yeah, Giant purple identified yes yes indeed.

33:52

a megaphone rather not mugger from Ah. But

33:54

anyway, so ah, this this situation. I

33:57

think it's kind of interesting because it's

33:59

like, okay, We. Got hundred and on the

34:01

possibility that is almost certainly needs to be a

34:03

griffon door but then everybody's at the quit. It's

34:05

bad for the games, you know the whole schools

34:08

out there with look at that point heroic. Does.

34:10

It have to be like a member

34:12

of staff writer whose whose in the

34:14

didn't we're gonna go see came from

34:16

the school again. it's a Griffin or

34:19

she would know the password every go.

34:21

She probably sets the password and probably

34:23

easier to do suspect gone and not

34:25

even one bit out of younger Yes,

34:27

in fact Zack's a one of my

34:29

favorite. Like there's something I really really

34:31

really love. I mean I love Mcgonigle

34:33

other character in general I'm but there

34:35

are these moments because he so like

34:37

from and strict about everything when she

34:39

does get kind. Of like soft. yeah uncaring.

34:42

It's like you feel like really means I

34:44

know it's like lights, it's like it's maybe

34:46

the sternness was just like this is my

34:48

professional. I am a teacher mode but like

34:50

there are like I ah but I do

34:52

care about all of you a lot. I

34:55

just don't like act like it. You know

34:57

what? you know I sort of like in

34:59

order to maintain order you know I need

35:01

to keep this stony facade. I need to

35:03

be your teacher. I'm not your friend like

35:06

whatever. But it's like you know when when

35:08

push comes to shove it's like know I

35:10

do. Care about you guys a lot in

35:12

A In I do feel for you when

35:14

I see the struggles you go through and

35:16

everything. It's just it's not my job, it's

35:18

on my position to be there being that

35:20

person for a budget she's been really good

35:22

with with Harry and Enron and everything. Yeah,

35:24

although push back up a sec as a

35:26

was other before the quidditch magic of cancelled

35:28

business it out to be a sudden so

35:30

unusual another just random madam hooch moment raj

35:32

I sit on the achievement does but the

35:34

teams walk out of the odds. It's modules

35:36

applause Oliver would took off for a warm

35:38

up. fled run go poof posts Madam. Hooch

35:40

released to the balls and that that

35:42

that's the part that is battling because

35:44

the next sentences the hubble possibly the

35:46

canary yellow were standing in the huddle

35:49

having last minute discuss with tactics. So

35:51

much worry she released the balls before

35:53

the game started to are you doing

35:55

or the blunders is like I'd Oliver's

35:57

up there doing like a warm up

35:59

lap of average. Battle gotten better

36:01

by the letter my both villagers like we

36:03

have no other targets other does appear set

36:05

up you know. I know

36:07

what's not. My guess is that you're just loose

36:09

already. I get some the I made.

36:11

A part of me feels like that sort of

36:13

makes sense, like the seekers can't watch it come

36:16

out of the box and immediately start following it

36:18

like her. As of the game starting it's already

36:20

out there. but like if you know that's the

36:22

case in the seeker like that at Vows would

36:24

I be like Harry, you need to grab the

36:26

pitch like thirty minutes earlier. Just like be looking

36:28

for the whole time as be looking just no

36:30

one, No one there. Okay you got it. To

36:32

whom. You stand on the ground, look at the

36:35

sun, Do not lose that snitch. Death, death, death

36:37

it on at all costs and era ago that

36:39

I won so I don't. Stand that seems like

36:41

a poor order of operations. Poots. hoot new

36:43

incidence In any worse, your arm for the

36:45

get under Mcgonigle. Yes we. Ah Mcgonigle who

36:47

basically says like potter, i think you better

36:49

come with me and Enron basically like com

36:51

I like running over and like way what

36:53

about mean and gonna go My guess perhaps

36:55

you succumb to easily and they get to

36:57

the hospital wing where she says this is

36:59

going to be a bit of a shot

37:01

in a surprisingly gentle voice and it's like

37:03

a man too scared of the worst. And.

37:07

Yeah we we discover that there has been

37:09

a double attack. With maybe the double attack

37:11

is what's really like stress and people out

37:14

so much. Ah or or maybe everybody just

37:16

cares deeply about her. mine in there like

37:18

know she's or best student if she's down

37:20

with the last novel attackers on a Ghost

37:23

you know term like that's the part that

37:25

seem like a real effect. Everyone out like

37:27

a walk in heard a ghost. exactly you

37:29

know exactly and ah But so yes within

37:32

zoom are discovering that her mine he has

37:34

been attacked. Ah now Humphries bending over. Ah

37:36

this. is this is one of those

37:38

things where there's a correction from the

37:40

audio book over to oh the written

37:43

copy of the original copy of the

37:45

story described the the other person who

37:47

has been attacked we owe course there

37:49

to be penelope clearwater as a says

37:51

year girl not a six year girl

37:54

and i believe with up oh some

37:56

stuff here where it where it is

37:58

it's a sixer girl Oh, it says, Madam

38:00

Popper is bending over a six-year girl with

38:03

long curly hair. Harry recognized her as the

38:05

Ravenclaw. They'd accidentally asked for directions to this

38:07

Lutheran common room. OK, OK, yeah. And

38:09

on the bed next to her was Hermione.

38:11

But now it's been, so

38:13

the, it used to say fifth.

38:16

It used to say fifth. Now it's sixth. Now it's sixth.

38:18

OK, so. So I think it's because,

38:20

does she end up being a head girl? I can't

38:22

remember. Next year. But I think

38:24

the idea here is that her and Percy are just

38:26

in the same year. In the same

38:28

year. Got it. Next year is Percy's last year. Right.

38:30

So I think that, yeah, otherwise she would just be

38:32

like a year below Percy. So anyway, just a small

38:35

modification. But I always find those to be

38:37

incredibly interesting when I find them. This

38:40

is the point where now that we know the

38:42

whole story, because we've read

38:44

the story so many times, Hermione is

38:46

holding a small circular mirror. And this

38:48

is because she has, of course, realized

38:50

that it's a basilisk. And upon realizing

38:52

it's a basilisk, she's peeking around corners.

38:55

Which immediately pays off. Which immediately pays off,

38:57

thank goodness. And I think she has also

38:59

handed one to Penelope as well. Does

39:02

it say that they both had one or just Hermione? I

39:05

think they just both used Hermione's. OK, OK, maybe

39:07

that's what it is. Yeah, OK. Do

39:10

you think the basilisk cannot shred up the

39:12

petrified people? Like once they're petrified, they're just

39:14

like, oh no, it's basically a rock now.

39:17

You know? I have no idea. Who else is

39:19

even around this time? I know, yeah. It's not

39:21

like there's anybody there to chase them off or

39:23

something. Right. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. Otherwise,

39:27

the basilisk is like, man, you wonder

39:29

what's extremely inconvenient. I've got these eyes

39:31

that can petrify stuff. And or laser burn them.

39:33

And or laser burn them. Yeah. We don't get

39:35

to see any scorch marks on this particular scene.

39:37

That's true. We don't get to look at the

39:40

scene on this time. Yeah. But no, it is

39:42

one of those things where it's just like, man,

39:44

well, what are you

39:46

doing there, basilisk? What's your play? Or

39:49

is it just meant to be terrifying? I

39:52

guess we know eventually they're trying to lure Harry down.

39:54

So maybe he's just leaving some breadcrumbs. I don't know.

39:56

I mean, I feel like he's trying to kill all

39:58

of these people and face them. over and

40:00

over and over again. It's not working so

40:02

well. Not working so well Basilisk. Yeah. Come

40:04

on man. Shred somebody! You

40:07

say you're gonna. You say you're gonna. You're being

40:09

awfully creepy to ten year old us. Yeah.

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42:46

their common rooms here. There's

42:49

another great little misdirection on Percy where Percy Weasley

42:51

was sitting in a chair behind Lee but for

42:53

once he didn't seem keen to make his views

42:55

heard. Which one is like sort

42:58

of red herring that's sort of like throwing shade at

43:00

him. But then George

43:03

sort of covers for him and says that Ravenclaw will

43:05

go up and I'll pick Clearwater. He's a prefect. I

43:07

don't think he thought the monster would dare attack a

43:09

prefect. Which is like Percy

43:11

literally said that earlier in the story. He

43:13

did. So there's that. It's like the real

43:15

but it's also sort of like a rare

43:17

like a sweet moment from Percy where the

43:20

real reason he's not talking is because he's

43:22

so worried about his girlfriend. I know but

43:24

like this is like one of those crazy things I'm like why

43:26

not why not just tell people. I know like you're

43:29

you're right. You're right. It is another thing.

43:31

It's just like dude Percy it's like I

43:33

love that you love your girlfriend and stuff

43:35

like that but stop being so embarrassed about

43:38

your relationship. Like I can I can see

43:40

a world where you're home over the summer.

43:43

You're all living in the borough. It's like

43:45

you know the the parameters and status and

43:47

positions and years and everything that you have

43:50

at school is not here to protect you.

43:52

Your siblings are Fred and George. They're inevitably

43:54

going to give you a hard time for

43:56

having a girlfriend because the high schoolers be

43:59

right. I could see a

44:01

world where it's like, okay, maybe you don't want

44:03

to talk about it or like like put yourself

44:05

in the position to have that conversation and this

44:08

is me attempting to go back into the mind

44:10

of like a 16 year old version of myself

44:12

Right that could be more secretive with this information.

44:14

Well, you've been at school for almost a full

44:16

year now It's like have you guys been spending

44:18

the whole year sneaking around in the dungeons in

44:20

the dungeons because actually we know that they're just

44:22

Gonna be openly in a relationship. I know like

44:24

it's a thing like everybody just knows what's going

44:26

on. Nobody's like busted him for it Yeah, exactly.

44:28

It's totally fine. It's gonna be fun The

44:31

other thing though just just slightly before that though is Lee

44:34

Jordan is recounting all the various victims And

44:36

he says there's two Gryffindors Not

44:38

counting your Gryffindor ghost one Ravenclaw one Hufflepuff And

44:40

this is sort of like it's like earlier in

44:42

the chapter We've just decided like well, it almost

44:44

has to be a Gryffindor but then all of

44:46

a sudden it's like when I was looking like

44:48

the Gryffindors were dropping like flies and Slytherin

44:51

is the only one who hasn't had any victims

44:53

yet. Right and so it's like wait So is

44:55

it a Slytherin, you know, so yeah again confusion,

44:57

right? Yeah This this again kind of goes back

44:59

to like the who done it model where it's

45:01

just sort of like it's like wait No, then

45:03

I was a page ago. I was I was

45:06

sure it had to be a Gryffindor But

45:08

now are we thinking it's not right? Could

45:10

it be Hermione? Yeah. Oh that boy. She's

45:12

attacked herself. She attacked herself Yes,

45:15

indeed. There it is. Let's see

45:18

Then they get down to the bottom of the page and

45:20

they say what are we gonna do said Ron quietly and

45:22

here is here Do you think they suspect Hagrid and it's

45:24

like How could

45:26

they not at this point? They should

45:29

absolutely suspect Hagrid at

45:31

this point like if this is why

45:33

he was expelled why they broke his

45:35

wad they should a Million

45:38

percent be asking him questions already.

45:40

Yes, you know, like I mean they're

45:42

wrong They'd be wrong about

45:44

it, but they absolutely should suspect him. Yes.

45:46

Yeah. Yeah That's a that's that is like

45:48

what it comes down to it Sort of

45:50

like if that's the last known evidence any

45:53

of us have to do anything with the

45:55

Chamber of Secrets And the

45:57

person is still in proximity needs

46:00

to be talking to him. That's just covering

46:02

your basis. That's simple

46:04

safety. I

46:07

can't believe it's him this time, last time,

46:09

sure. He

46:11

was just a kid then. Yeah. But

46:14

then they finally decide for the first time

46:16

all year to bust out Harry's dad's old

46:18

cloak. Oh, it is about time, boys. It

46:21

is about time. I know. Yeah. If you

46:23

have an invisibility cloak and you're at wizard

46:25

school and you're not using it like at

46:27

least once a week, I think you're doing

46:30

it wrong. You're doing it wrong. Yeah. Yeah. No

46:32

doubt. It's like the one who has a really

46:34

nice car and they just leave it parked in

46:36

their garage all the time. It's like, you gotta

46:38

drive. You gotta drive it, dude. What are you

46:40

doing? You have one of the deadly Hallows, bro.

46:42

Not that you're aware of that or anything, or

46:45

even what those are. Yeah. It sounds like the

46:47

trip underneath the invisibility cloak is not so easy

46:49

because there's so many ghosts and teachers and such

46:51

roaming the corridors. And yet this

46:53

said, it surprises me. It says it

46:55

was with relief that they reached the

46:57

Oak front doors and ease them open.

47:00

I'm like, you have all these guards

47:02

roaming all over your school and nobody's

47:04

manning the front door. Like,

47:06

come on, Dumbledore. Like, what

47:09

are you doing? I know that no

47:11

one's on the front door. Right. It's

47:13

like Dumbledore is supposedly the most brilliant

47:15

wizard ever, you know, like, like

47:18

just raw intelligence and magical prowess. And

47:20

it's sort of like, it's like he

47:23

can figure out the Horcruxes. He can figure

47:25

out and piece together all these obscure memories

47:27

and details from things that happened, you know,

47:30

I think at that point in time, like

47:32

70 years prior. Yeah. And

47:37

here we are and it's like, really,

47:39

really, it's like there's not a

47:42

huge list of creatures capable of

47:44

petrifying things that could have something

47:46

to do with Salazar Slytherin. And

47:48

right. If you've talked to Newt,

47:51

ever, you know what

47:53

a basilisk is. Right. Hagrid's having the

47:55

rooster problem. Like, these

47:57

are the puzzle pieces, my friend. These are the puzzle pieces, right?

47:59

right there. My only

48:03

allowance for this is that this is

48:05

the Dumbledore's big plan situation. And he's

48:07

like, Harry's going to go to, I

48:09

mean, I don't know how he could,

48:11

he doesn't know about the diary. So

48:13

he'd have no way to know that

48:15

Harry knew about Hagrid. But

48:18

maybe he's like,

48:20

Harry's probably going to go visit Hagrid tonight.

48:23

Because he seems to know that he's there

48:25

later. He does seem to know that he's

48:27

there later, which that was something so yeah,

48:29

we can we can zoom forward, I think

48:32

a little bit here because basically, Harry and

48:34

Ron are underneath the cloak, they make their

48:36

way down to Hagrid, who's clearly like, realized

48:38

that at this point in the equation, too

48:41

much time has passed. Yeah. And he feels fairly

48:44

certain that somebody is coming for him. And he's

48:46

correct. And he's prepared to shoot them with

48:48

a crossbow with a crossbow. He's

48:51

lovely, the crossbow out there, but they put their

48:53

own like, who would he have fired at that?

48:55

Had it been that Lucious shows up

48:57

first, Lucious dies. Absolutely. You know what?

49:00

Yes. If Lucious shows up first, he

49:02

has got a crossbow bolt in the

49:04

chest. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So that's

49:06

a good point, though, where it's sort

49:08

of like, it's like, Hagrid, I appreciate

49:11

the fact that you're like on edge.

49:13

But like, that's a full

49:15

blown weapon. Yeah. If

49:17

you think shooting someone with the crossbow is going to get you off

49:19

the hook. It is not going

49:21

to help. It's not going to help.

49:24

Yeah. But yeah, so then so then

49:26

basically very, very shortly after they arrive,

49:29

they are served cups

49:31

of boiling water because Hagrid forgot to add

49:33

the teabags. There's fruitcake on

49:35

a plate, which this is always

49:37

one of those things where I sort of love the fact

49:40

that Hagrid always does have baked goods. He's making me baking

49:42

food down there, man. It's just like if he's not tinkering

49:44

or meddling with creatures, he's meddling with

49:47

his favorite new recipes. Exactly. Yeah. It's

49:50

kind of fun to imagine. Yes. But yeah,

49:52

then Dumbledore walks in. He's looking deadly serious.

49:54

This is kind of similar to the McGonagall

49:56

thing. This feels kind of like a juxtaposition.

49:58

It's like normally. You know McGonagall is

50:01

very stern and she was very soft in

50:03

this chapter and normally Dumbledore is very like

50:05

whimsical and upbeat and fun and positive and

50:08

He's looking very intense. Yeah, you know,

50:10

which we know he can look yeah,

50:12

this happens more times going

50:15

throughout the future So I think it's

50:17

good usage when it's there because

50:19

it gets the point across very very effectively Let's

50:24

see here and then with

50:26

Dumbledore though also comes in Cornelius

50:28

fudge Who I

50:30

mean not I'm not really gonna defend fudge

50:32

or anything, but at least to his credit

50:34

He doesn't really seem happy about the fact

50:36

that he's there. He does not yeah, like

50:39

we said earlier He's like mostly just like

50:41

we've got ministry We've got we've got to

50:43

be seen to be doing something and it's

50:46

like yeah But like you are doing something and

50:48

what feels like the obvious thing to do so

50:50

like I don't know just own it I guess

50:53

Right, right. Yeah But

50:56

then he even he's like so wishy-washy about

50:58

it He says not a punishment Haggard more

51:00

a precaution if someone else is caught you'll

51:02

be let out with a full apology And

51:04

it's like to me it's also crazy

51:07

that if it's not a punishment and

51:09

it is just a precaution that like

51:11

maybe you don't need to go all

51:14

the Way to Azkaban and it's like

51:16

just take Haggard from the school go

51:18

put him in like all holding container

51:20

Right the ministry right surely that exists

51:22

surely that exists surely you have any

51:24

other holding facility between like like

51:28

people who have committed crimes and People

51:30

who are sentenced for life like

51:33

all crimes and an Azkaban in

51:35

the wizarding world right right? Yes,

51:37

yes But so Azkaban

51:39

also feels like yet again inside of

51:41

this chapter another small setup for for

51:43

the next book installment Absolutely as long

51:45

as we're keeping track of those things

51:48

Then then Haggard gets yet another visitor.

51:50

It's a very it's very happening hut

51:52

on this particular evening Where

51:55

Lucius finally shows up and this is like

51:57

one of those scenes again like where it's

51:59

like I think a lot of times

52:01

we have turned Lucius into such a joke

52:04

of a character and And

52:06

on on like a broad strokes version of

52:08

him. He's pretty ineffective at almost everything Yeah,

52:10

and we've made fun of Lucius kind of

52:12

relentlessly to be honest with you So he's

52:14

sort of similar to like Lockhart where it's

52:16

like it's really funny to think about Lockhart

52:18

as a character But when you hear him

52:20

talk, you're like you are so

52:22

frustrating Right it is driving me nuts to imagine

52:25

somebody behaving in the way that you behave

52:27

But then you've got Lucius who shows up and

52:29

man he is he's just a jerk.

52:31

He absolutely is yeah Yeah, he's

52:33

making fun of Hagrid's house. He's

52:36

being very like I don't know

52:39

Smug Very smug. I mean

52:41

he gives he's basically there and he's just like well

52:44

well Well, I've got a brand new toy here And

52:46

I'm gonna go play with it and I get to

52:48

take Dumbledore away from the school and you can't stop

52:50

me Cornelius, this is something only the governor's can do

52:53

Mwahaha Yeah,

52:55

excellent evil laugh. Yes, thank you So

53:00

basically he says I think that he's

53:02

also Let's

53:04

see here He says

53:06

I simply called as a school and was told

53:08

that the headmaster was here and what exactly did

53:10

you want with me Lucius? It's a Dumbledore. He

53:12

spoke politely, but the fire was still blazing in

53:15

his blue eyes So I

53:17

kind of want to like dial in on that because the second time

53:19

is out of this chapter that Dumbledore's

53:21

eyes sort of have this like fiery

53:24

Yeah nature to them which is not even the

53:26

last time that we'll see this happen in

53:29

the series altogether Like Dumbledore is associated with

53:31

fire on Occasions

53:33

which this is kind of like

53:35

one of our like fun fan theories Is that

53:37

like Dumbledore as an animagus

53:39

could be a phoenix phoenix?

53:41

Yeah, because he's obviously like

53:43

very highly like

53:46

aligned with them and then

53:48

like even like the Huge

53:51

displays of magic that we see from him

53:53

like in the cave for instance like when

53:55

you know, he's spending off. Yeah If you're

53:57

he's creating like fire a massive

54:00

Inferno. I

54:02

think he's also like very strong.

54:04

I think after Harry

54:06

arrives back and gobbled a fire, Dumbledore

54:08

like lifts him with like a surprising

54:10

amount of like strength. Yeah, which like

54:12

Phoenix's also have. Phoenix's also have. What

54:14

was the other one? No healing tears

54:16

that I'm aware of. No healing tears.

54:19

Oh, he likes music. He

54:21

does like music. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He

54:23

says like the music, like music, magic

54:25

beyond anything we do within these walls.

54:27

Yeah. Yeah. And like Phoenix lament or

54:29

whatever, like lift your spirits. Yes. Yes.

54:33

So he does. He is. And then of course, you

54:35

know, yeah, he has a Phoenix. He

54:37

has a Phoenix and there's that like line

54:39

and fantastic beasts where it's like a Phoenix

54:41

will appear to a Dumbledore in need or

54:43

whatever. Right. So we know that they're highly

54:45

aligned. And I think also in Fantastic Beasts,

54:47

he says a line like I've always had

54:49

an affinity for the legendary birds or whatever.

54:52

Yeah. Yeah. This is like

54:54

Pokemon. Pokemon. Pokemon-ification of it. But you get one

54:56

of which is a Moltres. Yeah.

54:58

Right. Which is a Phoenix and the Ho-Oh, my

55:00

guess, man. Right. Both there. But the other thing

55:02

that I think is interesting about this that I

55:04

wanted to draw attention to his eyes on is

55:06

this was literally just as I was reading this

55:09

chapter, because basically this is a situation

55:11

where Hagrid knows that Ron and Harry are

55:13

inside of the cabin. But it also definitely

55:15

seems like Dumbledore knows that they're inside. It

55:17

definitely seems like it. And we get two

55:20

references to his eyes, which is sort of

55:22

like what drew my attention there in the

55:24

first place. But it brought me back to

55:26

Mad-Eye Moody and his ability to see through

55:28

Harry's cloak when he's like trapped inside of

55:31

the trick stare and gobbled a fire in

55:33

the middle of the night with the egg.

55:36

And I was like,

55:38

OK, it's kind of

55:40

fascinating because Mad-Eye's eye,

55:42

the one that can do all

55:44

these powers, is described as being

55:47

like electric blue. Yeah. And Dumbledore

55:49

is described as having like piercing

55:51

blue eyes. Yeah. And I'm like,

55:54

is there a world where Dumbledore's

55:56

both of his eyes are

55:59

like the equivocal? equivalent of like

56:01

Mad-Eyes. Yeah, where he's like, yeah, it's like when

56:03

he says it's like piercing blue eyes He's like

56:05

he can literally look through you if he wants

56:07

to yes I mean in like there

56:09

are there are so many occasions where Dumbledore's vision

56:11

is described as like like as if he like

56:13

Harry's being X-rayed yeah, you know so it's like

56:16

I'm kind of like that's sort of

56:18

wild right now Like is it possible

56:20

that Dumbledore made Mad-Eye

56:23

Moody's eye? Oh, yeah I mean doesn't

56:25

seem impossible because we see them in

56:28

Dumbledore's memories in the pensive where he

56:30

talked. I mean he's already friends with Moody

56:32

before he has the eye pre-electric. Yeah. Yeah

56:35

Yeah, yeah, so it's like okay. Okay electric

56:37

blue. I don't think the eye itself is

56:39

like No

56:41

muggle technology in there. No, no, no, no, but

56:44

anyway, I was like, okay, that's that's kind of

56:46

interesting I've never really considered that before I've always

56:48

assumed, you know that Dumbledore like, you know, he's

56:50

got a super sensory Even

56:53

just being like a legitimate it almost sometimes feels

56:55

like that could be like a way to be

56:57

like I'm gonna read the memory or I'm gonna

56:59

read the minds of the people in the room and it's like

57:01

in doing so It's like if you hear Harry's thoughts, it's like

57:03

I know Harry's in the room Like to

57:05

me that's always been like a way right that he could have

57:07

like discovered Yeah, that they're there that

57:10

they're there. Yeah But

57:12

there's like that there is like it is like a

57:14

like he sees them or something because

57:16

it says for a second Harry

57:18

was Almost sure Dumbledore's eyes flickered toward the

57:20

corner where he and Ron stood hidden. Yes.

57:23

Yeah, so it does I mean it seems

57:25

like if nothing else, he knows

57:27

where are they all he knows that they are

57:29

there and where they are and like Clearly the

57:31

message you will find that I will only truly

57:33

have left the school when none here are loyal

57:36

to me You will also find that help will

57:38

always be given at Hogwarts for those who ask

57:40

for it is clearly directed at Harry.

57:42

Yes Yeah, so so

57:44

both Hagrid and Dumbledore just openly having

57:47

discussions with the unknown People

57:51

yeah in the room and much to like

57:53

his about voice just like Marable

57:56

sentiments. Okay. Thank you for

57:58

randomly announcing that Yes,

58:00

we all miss your highly individual way

58:02

of running things. Bye. Bye. Right, right.

58:05

Yes. Yeah But

58:07

of course Dumbledore's line there like the the having

58:09

you will find that I've only Truly

58:11

left the school when none here are loyal to me

58:15

This is definitely like one of those like it's

58:17

a it's a definite setup for the Chamber of

58:19

Secrets Coming soon where Harry

58:21

is in the chamber beneath the

58:23

school And I think Tom Riddle

58:25

like says Dumbledore has been

58:27

forced from the school by the mere

58:30

memory of me Yeah, and it's like

58:32

and then like Harry comes back and

58:34

he's like Dumbledore. Yeah, like he's here

58:38

Which I am Chills

58:41

oh man amazing. Oh, so cool. Or

58:43

is it Fox or is it just

58:45

Dumbledore himself? Yeah

58:52

But yeah, so anyway that that pretty much yeah then

58:54

of course we round off with Hagrid speaking also to

58:56

the room and We get the mention

58:58

of someone will need to feed thing for

59:00

me and also that You

59:03

would follow the spiders if anybody needed

59:06

to find out some stuff. Yeah All

59:09

I'm saying that's all I'm saying fudge

59:11

shared it with amazement. I Highlighted

59:13

the number reasonable. Yeah Okay,

59:16

yeah, it's like one of the situations where it's like if

59:18

you don't know what else is going on you're like What?

59:23

Spiders for dude It's

59:26

like especially Especially

59:29

because in these exact

59:31

in this exact situation The

59:33

reason that the Minister for Magic is there in

59:36

the first place is because Hagrid had

59:38

been known to be keeping a very

59:40

dangerous spider Inside

59:42

of the castle, right and there is Hagrid

59:45

saying to seemingly no one right follow the

59:47

spider Right, it's almost like like if you're

59:49

the minister in this moment if you're fudge

59:51

you're like, yeah, we got the right guy

59:54

Yeah, for sure. It's like yeah, it's definitely

59:56

him right right right. Yeah, like, you know,

59:58

it's like follow follow as spiders that's

1:00:00

what you're going with in this plea

1:00:03

for innocence yeah because you're apparently

1:00:05

talking to me I

1:00:08

don't want to know anything fudge yeah if

1:00:10

it was me I follow the spiders we

1:00:12

know yeah that's what you would do yeah

1:00:14

sounds like maybe you are following some spider

1:00:17

orders yeah yeah maybe maybe so maybe so

1:00:19

yeah also there's a lie down here I

1:00:21

think it's from I don't actually

1:00:23

know who's saying Ron I think it says there'll be

1:00:26

an attack a day with him gone talking about Dumbledore

1:00:28

not being there which I'm just like do you what

1:00:30

do you think Dumbledore is doing to prevent the other

1:00:32

attacks sure yeah that's the thing

1:00:34

is like secretly in the night Dumbledore

1:00:36

is having mad duels he's winning

1:00:39

most of the time he's like he is

1:00:42

thwarting that guy off whoo he's doing it

1:00:44

yeah I don't know so anyway

1:00:46

there there's chapter 14 I feel like it's I mean

1:00:48

it's a little bit of a setup chapter I

1:00:50

think is you know kind of giving us some

1:00:52

exposition some some like overall big

1:00:54

plot points and that type of thing

1:00:56

but it I don't

1:00:59

want to call it like a fluff chapter but

1:01:01

it's it's sort of interesting it hops around a little

1:01:03

bit it's not everything is yeah

1:01:05

I mean it's not it's not the very secret

1:01:07

diary yeah exactly yeah but then the next one

1:01:09

is Eragogues so things are gonna ramp right back

1:01:12

up yeah yeah yeah yeah we're we're about to

1:01:14

we've had like the very small like you know

1:01:16

the plot has been building and building and building

1:01:18

we had a small like little plateau there and

1:01:20

we're about to like rocket right off yeah yeah

1:01:22

we're in the middle of the rising action you

1:01:24

know the finale yeah that's it we're so anyway

1:01:27

yeah that closes out chapter 14 there

1:01:29

we go well I've got a review

1:01:31

for us here lay it on me

1:01:33

from blind guy 93 okay says hey

1:01:35

brother has been following you both for

1:01:38

years absolutely love the podcast I have

1:01:40

a question it seems extraordinarily unlikely that

1:01:42

Snape would have half has would ever

1:01:44

haphazardly leave his potion book around I

1:01:47

don't think he wanted Harry to find

1:01:49

it but do you think there was

1:01:51

some part of him that wanted another

1:01:53

talented underprivileged Slytherin to find it also

1:01:55

I truly believe Snape was great at

1:01:58

occupancy because of the deep albeit troubling

1:02:00

love he had for Lily, Voldemort would never

1:02:02

be able to pass through that type of

1:02:04

love. Ooh,

1:02:07

which I liked this idea that the

1:02:09

real reason Snape is good at occlumency

1:02:11

is because he has one secret that

1:02:13

he absolutely doesn't want anyone to know,

1:02:16

like basically his whole life. Yeah.

1:02:20

And that is that he's in love with Lily Evans. Yes. And

1:02:22

he even, even when he like, even when he

1:02:24

makes the deal with Dumbledore, he says, no one

1:02:27

must ever know. Right. And it's like,

1:02:29

that's his condition. It's like the one

1:02:31

good thing about you. Okay. But

1:02:34

it's like Snape has been keeping this

1:02:36

secret for so long. He's like, I

1:02:38

will literally, I will never, ever

1:02:40

let anyone find this out about me. Right.

1:02:43

Like I will, I'm going to have to be good at occlumency so it can't even

1:02:45

be read out of my brain. I know. I

1:02:48

that's, that's even like, I mean, so it's interesting, like that,

1:02:50

that would be his compulsion would be like, I

1:02:53

don't want anybody to read my mind and discover

1:02:55

this piece of information because as you were saying

1:02:57

it, I think that maybe that is, that is

1:02:59

how this reviewer meant the

1:03:01

question. But as, as I was hearing

1:03:04

it, I was like, Oh, is it

1:03:06

almost as if like Snape is protected

1:03:08

because like the primary fundamental reason for

1:03:10

his like secrecy towards anything mental reason

1:03:12

for his like secrecy towards anything is

1:03:14

love, which is like a vault that

1:03:16

Voldemort can never, like maybe he's not

1:03:18

good at occlumency. He just like, because

1:03:21

he's so motivated by love, he is protected.

1:03:23

Yes. His motivations are all love. And

1:03:25

so it's like, it's almost like an encrypted

1:03:27

code that Voldemort can't even like, he

1:03:29

can't even see, let alone break into because

1:03:32

it's so incapable of it. So it's

1:03:34

like, he is unable to, I mean, we

1:03:36

know this to be true. Like he is

1:03:38

so unable to believe that Snape would

1:03:40

be acting so on behalf of love that

1:03:43

he would betray Voldemort at all, which

1:03:45

is his fatal flaw. I

1:03:47

do like that. I like this idea either. I

1:03:49

like, I like both versions of it where either

1:03:51

the reason he's mastered occlumency is to hide the

1:03:54

fact that he's in love with Lily or the

1:03:57

idea that because he's so in love with

1:03:59

her. that it is, and

1:04:01

that's his core motivation for everything, that he

1:04:03

is protected from probing and stuff. Even

1:04:06

this would fit well, though, on

1:04:08

the love notion, it would fit well because

1:04:10

I think Dumbledore could read

1:04:13

Snape's mind. He could know. Dumbledore

1:04:15

understands love. So he could potentially

1:04:18

read Snape's mind more effectively than

1:04:20

Voldemort ever could, but that is

1:04:23

the edge that Dumbledore has over

1:04:25

Voldemort in the end. Voldemort

1:04:27

can't crack through, so he can never know

1:04:29

the underlying motivations, whereas Dumbledore can crack through,

1:04:31

and therefore he can have ironclad trust in

1:04:34

Snape. And it's not just fate. Well, but

1:04:36

Dumbledore doesn't have to read it. Snape just

1:04:38

tells him. No, I know. I know. Yeah,

1:04:40

yeah, yeah. But at some point in time,

1:04:42

it's one of those questions where it's like, both

1:04:45

Voldemort and Dumbledore are absolutely

1:04:47

certain that they can trust

1:04:49

Snape. And it's like one of

1:04:51

them is going to have to be wrong. And they're

1:04:53

both certain that it's not them. But

1:04:56

is it the case that Dumbledore

1:04:58

has its ignorance on

1:05:02

the part of Voldemort that makes him unable

1:05:04

to figure it out, where it's knowledge on

1:05:06

the part of Dumbledore that allows that fate

1:05:08

to remain, which I prefer. Because

1:05:11

then it's sort of like, ha, Voldemort, foiling

1:05:13

your own plans yet again. As

1:05:16

usual, as usual. It's surprising because

1:05:18

Voldemort must know that he

1:05:20

can't probe Snape's mind. Well,

1:05:24

unless that's what I mean. Unless it's so

1:05:26

encrypted inside of Snape's mind that it's like

1:05:28

he is seeing inside of Snape's mind. He

1:05:30

can see the things that aren't protected by

1:05:32

love. I see. So he can see everything

1:05:34

else. Right. But that would mean that he

1:05:37

thinks he's in a room. And he's seeing

1:05:39

a kind of like a cagrut. It's like

1:05:41

he thinks he's seeing the room for what

1:05:43

it is. But he doesn't know what's being

1:05:45

hidden from him. Right, he can't see Harry

1:05:47

and Ron. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

1:05:49

Yeah. As for the copy

1:05:52

of Advanced Potion Making, I

1:05:54

too have found it to

1:05:56

be unusual that this

1:05:59

is something. that Snape would

1:06:01

part with. Yes, yeah.

1:06:03

I've like it seems weird that he would

1:06:05

forget it down there. Yeah,

1:06:07

so I mean I would

1:06:10

have to go back and revisit our notes from

1:06:12

Dumbledore's big plan but it would shock me if

1:06:15

we didn't think it was somehow relevant. I know

1:06:17

but even then it's like it's a it's

1:06:19

really just a coin flip among whether or not Harry

1:06:21

or Ron gets the book. I know

1:06:23

but I feel like if Ron gets the book he's just

1:06:25

annoyed. Like I think it's like here

1:06:27

I think that's like Harry's cunning bleeding

1:06:31

through just ever so slightly. Yeah. You know that he's

1:06:33

like willing to be like I'll give it a shot.

1:06:35

Yeah, I mean absolutely but like if he didn't get

1:06:37

if Ron had gotten the book he would like Harry

1:06:40

wouldn't have been reading it. No, no, he would

1:06:42

have. Yeah, no, of course, yeah. So I don't

1:06:44

think Ron would have been at like a distinct

1:06:46

advantage if he had it. I think it's only

1:06:48

at an advantage in Harry's hand. Yes. So I

1:06:50

mean maybe but maybe that's the coin flip that's

1:06:52

just like worth taking the chance on. Right. You

1:06:54

know but I'm trying to think is there anything

1:06:56

really really really major that he learns from the

1:06:58

half blood? I mean he learned a lot from

1:07:00

the half blood print. Well the major thing that

1:07:02

happens is that he wins the Felix Felicis. That's

1:07:04

the thing. And that's how he gets the secret

1:07:06

from slug horn. Okay. Yeah. So all

1:07:09

of those things feel like they

1:07:11

could be relevant in that capacity.

1:07:14

It's conceivable that the Felix Felicis

1:07:16

contest could have been like a known

1:07:18

tradition of slug horns on day one.

1:07:21

It definitely feels like it. Yeah, like

1:07:23

that that could have been in there.

1:07:25

So Dumbledore could have maybe

1:07:28

wanted this and he like

1:07:31

there there's a world where Dumbledore like knows

1:07:33

Harry wasn't going to take potions but now

1:07:35

will be allowed to take potions and he'll

1:07:37

discover that on day one and like

1:07:40

it all plays into it in my mind.

1:07:42

Actually, you know what? Because Ron here's here's

1:07:45

the kicker. Ron wasn't going to take potions.

1:07:47

McGonagall almost messes it up for him. Oh,

1:07:50

you're right. McGonagall like Weasley. Go with him.

1:07:53

You look too happy. You're doing

1:07:55

it too. Yeah. Oh man. You're.

1:07:57

That throws the wrench. No. What

1:08:00

I was going to say even more than that

1:08:02

too though is that we always replace the Defense

1:08:04

Against the Dark Arts teacher. And Harry even thinks

1:08:06

he's recruiting slug horn for

1:08:08

Defense Against the Dark Arts. But like

1:08:10

the fact that Dumbledore is looking for

1:08:12

someone for potions so that Snape can

1:08:14

move to Defense Against the Dark Arts

1:08:17

would even allow for like such a

1:08:19

situation to exist. Because I can't imagine

1:08:21

Harry would also get away with having

1:08:23

Snape's own copy of the book in

1:08:25

a classroom of like eight people. Which

1:08:28

he wasn't even going to... He couldn't have taken... Like

1:08:30

Harry's grades weren't good enough to

1:08:32

have allowed him to take

1:08:36

the NAWT level anyway. So he had

1:08:38

to find a way to get Snape

1:08:40

out of potions otherwise Harry couldn't have

1:08:42

taken it. Right. You

1:08:44

know? A lot of it fits together. A lot of

1:08:46

it does fit together in a way that like Dumbledore

1:08:48

could be like, leave your potions book there man. Yes.

1:08:52

Yeah. Yeah. So because then he can win

1:08:54

the Felix which is in the Felix... I

1:08:56

mean and he... Not only does

1:08:58

he win the Felix from slug horn he uses

1:09:00

the Felix on slug horn. Yeah.

1:09:03

You know? Yeah. So yeah.

1:09:06

Well that's the other reason you want slug horn is because you know slug horn

1:09:08

has this memory. Like Dumbledore is already cooking on this. Right. Right. Right. But

1:09:11

maybe he just knows like slug horn is the perfect person to

1:09:13

pick. It's like killing like four birds with one stem. It

1:09:17

is. It is. Yeah. All right.

1:09:19

I... You know what? The realization

1:09:21

that Ron wasn't going to be there and the fact that

1:09:23

it's a coin flip is only a coin flip by accident.

1:09:25

Yeah. Really makes it

1:09:27

seem more intentional that the book

1:09:30

was left there on Dumbledore's instructions.

1:09:32

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:09:34

I could see that. I could see that. It all works out so

1:09:36

perfectly. It does all work out so nicely. It's like he comes together

1:09:38

in such a remarkable way. Yeah. Because of

1:09:41

course he's not going to have his book. That's the other thing.

1:09:43

Right. He's not going to have it. Because he doesn't know. And Dumbledore

1:09:45

knows he won't have it. Right. He

1:09:47

knows Harry thinks he's not taking it. Right. Yeah. But

1:09:50

he knows Harry wants to be an Auror and he knows he's

1:09:52

going to be allowed to take it once slug horn is a

1:09:55

professor. Yeah. No. It fits. Yeah. It fits too well. Yeah. Great

1:09:58

question. Great question. haphazard.

1:10:02

Absolutely. It's a plan. There we go. They've

1:10:04

been doubling are already cooking so

1:10:06

many other things together in this book. I

1:10:09

know. It's a big Snape book

1:10:11

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