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false Christ and false prophets will appear

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In the book of Matthew twenty four twenty

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four. The International House of Prayer was

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founded in May of nineteen ninety nine based

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on supposed prophecy. based on one

0:57

man believing that God had spoken to him

0:59

and given him prophecies centered around a call

1:01

to pray without ceasing in order

1:03

to strengthen God's army and help usher in

1:06

the second coming. Since September

1:08

nineteenth nineteen ninety nine, IHOP

1:10

KC has offered access to a twenty

1:12

four seven prayer room. They literally

1:15

have not stopped praying, rotating in new musicians

1:17

as needed to keep musical praying coming

1:19

nonstop, and they claim they will not stop

1:21

praying until Christ returns. until

1:24

doomsday. IHOP K C

1:26

is an unusual religious institution.

1:28

It's not its own distinct religious denomination.

1:31

It's not exactly a church.

1:33

It has a church. The forerunner church,

1:35

but IHOP KC, as an organization, describes

1:38

itself as emissions based. If

1:40

God truly does have an army here on Earth,

1:43

think of IHOP as a

1:45

boot camp. An important military base where

1:47

soldiers are trained in a way to fight

1:49

demonic forces and help God win the

1:51

final battle of good versus evil.

1:54

IHOPKC's mission is to change modern

1:56

understanding and expression of Christianity

1:59

to inspire more of the world to follow Christ,

2:01

to strengthen its brand of evangelical modern

2:04

prophecy based Christianity. to

2:06

raise up friends of the bridegroom

2:08

forerunner messengers. To prepare the

2:10

bride for Christ's return to be part

2:12

of the great commission, Jesus'

2:14

most faithful adherence or disciples tasked

2:17

with bringing his true word to

2:19

the world to recruit the most soldiers for

2:21

the final battle. Everything is based

2:23

when you dig far enough into it

2:25

on bringing Christ back and beating the forces

2:27

of evil. And IHOP KC's

2:29

vision of Christ pretty bloody.

2:31

pretty violent warrior deity who

2:33

will literally slay non believers.

2:36

There will be blood. All

2:38

the sweet prayers going on twenty four seven in

2:40

the prayer rooms are not designed just

2:42

to uplift your spirit and strengthen your faith.

2:44

They are fuel of a sword. Fuel

2:46

to strengthen a god. They want to literally come

2:48

to earth and destroy billions

2:50

of non believers. That is part of the

2:52

second coming. I have KC has been criticized

2:54

for some of their church theology the bridegroom

2:57

paradigm, the belief that they are an army of

2:59

god's warriors bringing about the second coming,

3:01

the belief of prophetic experiences, Although

3:04

I have KC doesn't show up on any lists

3:06

of blatant cults like many past

3:08

time suck subjects, many Christians

3:11

and non Christians alike have described cultish

3:14

atmosphere of sorts about the place.

3:16

Some former members feel like the organization

3:19

is definitely a cult with a capital c,

3:21

other former members say the organization is

3:23

nothing like a cult at all in any

3:26

respect. Founded in Kansas City,

3:28

Missouri and now reaching all over the world,

3:30

Is IHOP KC a cult?

3:32

Who is the founder? What

3:34

do they believe? Why do they believe

3:36

it? What was the organization's role?

3:39

If indeed, it had any role in the tragic

3:41

death of a member in two thousand twelve, and

3:44

if it's a cult, is it a dangerous cult at

3:46

that? We'll cover all these questions and more. in

3:49

another entertaining cult, cult cult, cult, cult,

3:51

doomsday edition of

3:53

Time suck. This is

3:54

Michael McDonald, and you're listening to Time

3:57

suck.

3:59

You're listening to time,

4:01

sir.

4:11

Happy Monday, meat snacks. Welcome to

4:13

the cold, to the curious of the incumbents.

4:16

Rath God, high priest, Lord Bompas, his altar

4:18

boy. And you are listening to

4:20

Time suck. Hail NIM around Hail Saffina,

4:22

Praise Good Boy Bojangles and Glory B to Triple

4:24

M. Couple quick things,

4:26

and then we'll just get right into it. One is, yeah,

4:28

my voice is still not back. It's

4:31

from having the cold, it just won't

4:33

go away that so many of us have had here in

4:35

virus fill of Cordeline Idaho now. And

4:37

then it went to influenza a test

4:39

deposit for that a couple of days ago. not

4:41

contagious for the first time today, basically

4:44

even sleeping and doing a little bit of

4:46

podcast prep the last couple days. So

4:48

one of these days, I think

4:51

My voice will return to normal hopefully

4:53

by this weekend, shows IHOP definitely

4:55

hopefully by my special

4:57

taping here in Minneapolis in a little over

4:59

a week. the whole month

5:01

of November, just everyone

5:03

around here is sick. But yeah, the

5:06

special taping. My other announcement is about

5:08

that. In Minneapolis, it's Saturday, December

5:10

tenth, Another fifty tickets have just

5:12

been released for both shows. Early and

5:14

late show, fifty tickets each, the cameras did not

5:16

take up as much room as expected.

5:18

So that's why those are being released now.

5:20

Once they're gone, there will be no more. Please

5:22

go to the encompass dot tv if you wanna be part

5:24

of the parkway theater taping.

5:26

I would appreciate it. I

5:28

don't want any randoms grabbing those tickets last

5:30

minute. Hopefully, fans only. And that

5:32

tape can leave my last ten up day of the year. And then

5:34

I'll get back to the mountain to burn it all down

5:36

twenty twenty three toward next week. Now

5:39

for the year's final official merch

5:41

release, how about a total rebrand of our

5:43

favorite peanut butter butter brands? That's

5:45

right. Albert's peanut butter, it's gotten a

5:47

makeover. The new collection includes a new

5:49

t and two colors, a hoodie, wall art, coffee

5:52

mug, and killer eight by

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Head on over to bad magic merch dot

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com. Check out some IHOP stevie show biz.

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now also a bare evil brand.

6:04

Also, we have been hit with price

6:07

increase after price increase in our cost for

6:09

quite a while behind the scenes with merch. as

6:11

inflation and supply chain problems have,

6:13

you know, obviously affected basically all

6:15

goods. We've been able to hold the prices, you

6:17

know, steady since the pre pandemic

6:19

days, but the rising cost of literally

6:21

everything has made it impossible to continue

6:23

to do so with the same price you model and be

6:25

profitable. So going forward, well,

6:27

shirts are gonna increase about five bucks fleeces

6:30

about ten. Wish we didn't have to do

6:32

that, but, you know,

6:34

we can't hold off any longer. The jump

6:36

is not for greed. It's just to get the margins back to

6:38

where they were industry standard wise

6:40

a couple years ago. So truly appreciate

6:42

all the support from each and every one of you

6:44

with the merch over the years. Just know we fought

6:46

off these increases, as long as we could.

6:48

And going forward, we'll do our best to,

6:50

you know, continue to do that and bring you affordable

6:52

quality, weekly merch. Now,

6:55

let's get into a fascinating episode. Hope

6:57

my voice holds out for it. Here's

7:00

how I'm gonna break down today's topic. First, I wanna lay out

7:02

some testimony by a former member who does

7:04

stay that I have KC is for sure, Cold. And

7:06

and that they were a cult member.

7:08

Then I wanna explain founder Mike

7:10

Bickel's vision of an exceptionally warlike

7:14

Christ. After that, I'll lay out the

7:16

overall structure of IHOP C built

7:18

to bring about this reckoning, going

7:21

over their prayer room, basic beliefs,

7:23

prophetic history, that they

7:25

base their mission on, etcetera. Then we'll get

7:27

into the timeline, learn more about their founder,

7:29

also about the troubling case of the suicide

7:31

of IHOP, Casey, adherent, Bethany

7:33

Dieten, and her husband, Tyler,

7:36

a self appointed IHOP, Casey,

7:38

apostle who seems to have definitely

7:40

been a a cult leader of sorts.

7:42

Their story illustrates what a dangerous

7:44

game it can be to play, to

7:46

preach that any of us can become God's prophets

7:49

in preparation for a final battle.

7:51

So now let's get started. Culp.

7:53

Culp. oh

7:58

Alright.

7:59

So the

7:59

following is testimony of a young woman named

8:02

Ariel who spent time as an intern at

8:04

IHOP. Ariel convinced

8:06

an IHOP at AKA IHOP KC

8:08

is their name changed or transitioned into

8:10

is a cult. I wouldn't only wanna read

8:12

such a big passage from just one source.

8:15

But her complaints do mirror those I've

8:17

read, you know, from others online, and she lays

8:19

her concerns out in such a well

8:21

structured manner. I don't wanna mess with

8:23

it and tinker with her story. So this was

8:25

all posted online back in April

8:27

of twenty twelve.

8:30

It was a year I turned twenty

8:32

three. It was bright I

8:34

excited and full of hope and anticipation. Sure

8:36

I'd been through some rough stuff, but I knew that

8:38

the Lord was the keeper of my life and I was heading

8:40

into a new season of trusting him

8:42

deeper. I was moving to Kansas

8:45

City. My long awaited fourteen year

8:47

dream of being in Kansas City to be part of

8:49

Mike Pickles ministry, which had now

8:51

branched into an international house prayer.

8:53

was finally materializing into reality.

8:56

I had big hopes and dreams and wanted nothing

8:58

but to serve my god with everything.

9:00

Since I was twelve years old, my family and I had

9:02

driven the three hour trek to Kansas City for

9:04

conferences at the church, Mike Bickel

9:06

passed her at the time. It is known by

9:08

various names as they change different

9:10

stages. Kansas City Fellowship,

9:13

Metro Vineyard Fellowship, and

9:14

Metro Christian Fellowship. My spiritual

9:17

roots had in many ways grown from the times

9:19

that I spent in these gatherings and

9:21

what I felt got imparted to my life when

9:23

I was there. I'd been

9:25

around marinating in the environment

9:27

for about fourteen years. So I knew a

9:29

lot about the history and led to what it is

9:31

now known as IHOP. international house

9:33

of prayer. I remember one of the

9:35

first times Mike shared his vision for starting

9:38

IHOP. Many left Metro with

9:40

Mike when he stepped down as senior pastor to

9:42

help startup. So fast

9:44

forward, IHOP was still within its first five

9:46

years of operation and I was captivated by

9:48

what I saw on her. If there

9:50

was a poster child that endorsed IHOP

9:52

and who was convinced it was the best thing

9:54

going, that would have been me. I

9:56

say all of this to lay a backdrop for

9:58

what follows. A long journey, a lot

10:00

of waiting proceeded the decision to move to Kansas

10:02

City. When Family and I

10:04

unanimously agreed that after much prayer, it was the

10:06

right timings, we sold or gave away half of

10:08

what we owned, packed up the

10:10

rest and moved to the utopia of what we

10:12

thought would be the greatest spiritual adventure of

10:14

our lives. had a background

10:16

in the arts, music, dance,

10:18

etcetera, and couldn't wait to get involved, so I

10:20

could really just feel I belong there.

10:22

not just a visitor hanging in the periphery and coming

10:24

for conferences, I wanted to get in.

10:27

When we arrived on Movie Day, the

10:29

community we were hoping to be a part of and

10:31

the support those who

10:33

we knew from IHOP appeared to be,

10:35

we found it quite lacking. We

10:37

were told that to obtain moving help from IHOP,

10:39

we had to hire them at a ridiculously hourly

10:42

rate. twenty dollars per

10:44

person per hour. And again,

10:46

that is back in prior to

10:48

twenty twelve prices, which

10:50

we could not afford. When the who

10:52

live next door found out it was just us and

10:54

we had no help moving in, their

10:56

family came over and helped us unpack our

10:58

moving truck for approximately the next three

11:00

hours. for no charge just to be good

11:02

neighbors. Oh, did I mention they weren't even

11:04

believers? They had compassion on

11:06

our predicament and carry boxes and hold

11:09

furniture without complaining once. He

11:11

simply smiled and said, welcome to the neighborhood. They've

11:13

got a pause for a second and said, I love how

11:15

shocked she is. It's these nice

11:17

people weren't even believers. I

11:19

mean, can you believe it? I mean, these

11:22

people didn't even believe the same thing as us,

11:24

they actually helped us. They didn't

11:26

come just like, I don't know, try and stab us. you

11:28

know, and slice our throats and drink our blood

11:30

and perform rituals or something. They actually

11:32

help this. This I was crazy. I never expected

11:34

them. The unrelated

11:37

climate we had seen hints of in the past

11:39

became rapidly obvious upon our relocation

11:41

to IHOP Casey. There was a

11:43

lot of talk about community, but everyone I

11:45

met was so tunnel visioned on

11:47

always being in the prayer room that they

11:49

didn't wanna socialize. or make time to build

11:51

real relationships with people. There was a

11:53

relational vacuum in that disconnect I

11:55

felt upon my arrival was overwhelming.

11:57

This was a significant concern of mine and

11:59

my family, but we rationalized it

12:02

with, oh, well, we just haven't been here

12:04

long enough. Eventually, we'll

12:05

feel more connected, involved, and we'll see

12:07

the relational community that IHOP advertises

12:09

here. Just give it time.

12:11

Within a month, I joined the

12:13

one thing internship, which is an intensive

12:16

six month long internship program for

12:18

eighteen to twenty five year olds. I

12:20

really felt it was what I should do and had the support

12:22

of my family that this was a great thing for

12:24

me. They also felt it was a great way for

12:26

me to connect to the ministry we had all moved here to

12:28

be a part of. So our family's

12:30

income tax return went towards the steep

12:32

forty five hundred dollar tuition fee for the

12:34

program, and I came on board in August.

12:36

was full of excitement and felt that things were

12:38

finally coming together for me, at least that's

12:40

how it appeared. This is

12:42

where it all began for me. A

12:45

cult Strong word you might say, and you are

12:47

correct, is not a word I use lightly or

12:49

carelessly to label anything. But

12:51

much prayer time and years of research and personal

12:53

experience have brought me to the occlusion that I

12:55

can say confidently that the root

12:57

system or foundation that

12:59

IHOP is built on follows the

13:01

basic premises and signs of a cult

13:03

religious group. When I

13:05

first left IHOP, I went through a severe culture

13:07

shock that is hard to put into words.

13:10

When I began studying the signs of cult

13:12

fallout and the things that cult members go through after

13:14

leaving the cult, My eyes began to

13:16

open to what I had been a part of and

13:18

recently came out of. Although I

13:20

have listed some common signs of IHOP operation,

13:23

Below that my side and short examples of my

13:25

personal experiences at IHOP, which

13:27

illustrate these particular signs in

13:29

IHOP's day to day practice. After

13:31

six years of being out of IHOP, I still

13:33

hold not I still hold my position

13:35

that it is a dangerous place for

13:37

people's hearts, and I have seen much

13:39

destruction of families, relationships, and

13:41

marriages of those who've been involved with

13:43

this movement. I appreciate you are

13:45

taking the time to read and prayerfully

13:47

consider the research and personal testimony

13:49

I have included below.

13:51

So now here we go. Right? Ariel

13:54

lays out her concerns as

13:56

evidence of IHOP, you know, Casey,

13:59

being a

13:59

a cult, you know, in a variety of

14:02

different ways.

14:03

She starts

14:05

a destructive cult

14:08

tends to be totalitarian in its control

14:10

of its member's behavior. Culture

14:12

likely to dictate in great detail not

14:14

only what members believe, but also what members wear and

14:16

eat, women wear members work,

14:18

sleep, and bathe, how members think,

14:20

speak, and conduct familial, marital,

14:22

or sexual relationships. As

14:25

an intern in IHOP, our day to day lives were

14:27

closely monitored and dictate. I was not

14:29

allowed to go anywhere or leave IHOP premises

14:32

without express verbal permission

14:34

from a community leader except on our

14:36

one day off. Our schedules

14:38

started early in the morning with hours in the

14:40

prayer room. then classes, then

14:42

back to the prayer room. Our nights

14:44

often ran late with required attendance at

14:46

EGS, encounter god services.

14:48

or any other special event Mike spoke at

14:50

that we were required to attend. Sometimes

14:53

we had to attend worship sets that ended at ten

14:55

PM or midnight. Sleep was

14:57

minimal. and was often unrestful when I

14:59

did get it. Sleep deprivation is

15:01

a commonly used tactic in many cold groups to

15:03

weaken the mind and make a person more susceptible.

15:05

embracing of the doctrines taught by the cult.

15:08

There are

15:08

many biological and psychological effects of

15:10

sleep deprivation on the mind.

15:13

And we've gone over sleep deprivation stuff

15:15

before when looking new clothes. It's a very

15:17

powerful tool. You know, you

15:19

bombard someone with your spiritual message

15:21

day after today, surround them with fellow believers, control

15:23

who they see outside the organization,

15:25

work them hard, keep them tired,

15:27

and you are able, you know,

15:29

proven empirically to

15:31

to basically well, not basically to brainwash

15:33

people. Alright. She starts with

15:35

a again off with a number two, A

15:39

destructive cult tends to have an ethical double

15:41

standard. Members

15:42

are urged to be obedient to the

15:44

cult, who carefully follow cult rules.

15:47

but also

15:47

encouraged to be revealing and open in the group

15:49

confessing all to the leaders. On the

15:51

other hand outside the group, they are encouraged

15:53

to act unethically, manipulating outsiders

15:55

or nonmembers, and either deceiving, they were

15:57

simply revealing very little about themselves of

15:59

the

15:59

group

16:01

in contrast to destructive goals.

16:04

Honorable groups teach members who abide by

16:06

one set of ethics and act ethically and

16:08

truthfully to all people in all situations.

16:10

says anyone who rebelled against

16:12

IHOP's rules went through a strict disciplinarian

16:14

process. At its most

16:16

minimal level of when foreign intern, this meant

16:18

the loss of having a day off and happy to do

16:20

manual labor. Everyone was kept on a

16:22

short leash. We also had weekly

16:24

groups as interns that were required to

16:26

participate in where everyone was interrogated,

16:29

and pressured to open up and share their personal

16:31

struggles, etcetera, and answer

16:33

personal questions about their lives, struggles,

16:35

thoughts, fears, and walks with God. And

16:37

I wouldn't feel like going to some kind of confession

16:39

as in Catholicism and some

16:41

interns out refused to be so

16:43

vulnerable. And just closing in front of

16:45

people, they did not know. We

16:47

were all given journals and told that

16:49

we had mandatory writing assignments to complete.

16:52

We were to record details of our

16:54

IHOP prayer room times, things God spoke to

16:56

us, dreams, visions, or whatever

16:58

else, happened in us spiritually and

17:00

then had to turn in our journals weekly

17:02

to have an internship leader review and read them.

17:04

In the last month or so, I was at IHOP,

17:06

I paid particularly close attention to the fact

17:08

that internship leaders ironically prayed

17:11

things over me in prayer times or at the

17:13

altar in the prayer room that

17:15

related directly to the things I had put in

17:17

my journals. So what often

17:19

might have seemed prophetic was the result

17:21

of the information about me they

17:23

already had access to.

17:26

reading their journals and acting like

17:28

being prophetic with prayers about it. I

17:30

mean, that's that's that's pretty lazy. I've

17:33

been working on a lot of people though. Oh

17:35

oh gosh. god is listed. That

17:37

that's exactly what I hoped. God would help me

17:39

with. It's exactly what I wrote in my journal that

17:41

I handed to the person who just told me what God

17:43

said about it. phrase me.

17:45

Go on. That's some

17:47

shitty intern leaders there. Number

17:50

three, a destructive cult has only

17:52

two basic purposes. recruiting new

17:54

members and fundraising. Altruistic

17:57

movements establish religion and other

17:59

honorable groups also recruit

18:01

and raise funds However,

18:03

these actions are incidental to an honorable

18:05

group's main purpose of improving the lives of

18:07

his members and of humankind in general.

18:10

destructive cults may claim to make social

18:12

contributions, but in actuality, such claims are

18:14

superficial and only serve as gestures or

18:16

fronts for crude and fundraising. Paul's

18:18

real goal is to increase the

18:20

prestige and offer the wealth of the

18:22

leader. There was always an underlying

18:24

pressure to bring people into IHOP.

18:26

We were encouraged to invite others and get them to join what

18:28

we were doing. IHOP campaign's big

18:30

time to recruit new interns. At

18:32

every conference, advertising and marketing videos are

18:34

used to this day to

18:36

promote the internships. They're played on large TV screens

18:38

like presidential campaigns and are just

18:40

part of the propaganda used to sell

18:43

young people on this new version of what walking with God

18:45

is supposed to look like. Each

18:47

intern paid forty five hundred dollars to attend a

18:49

six month internship. This

18:52

covered some books and teaching material we were given as well as

18:54

food, lodging, etcetera. Check this

18:56

out though. Every intern lived in

18:58

the Hearne IHOP Apartments located

19:01

next door which IHOP owns

19:03

anywhere. So the only expense is

19:05

utilities in general upkeep. There was no

19:07

rent. Plus, there was a mandatory

19:09

fasting day week weekend, week

19:11

etcetera, where no meals are served. So

19:13

those who didn't choose to fast had to go out and

19:15

buy food and no interns were not allowed

19:17

to have jobs, So this got to be a big

19:19

expense since it wasn't any extra money to live

19:22

on. I lived in a two bedroom apartment

19:24

and housed six girls from the ages of

19:26

twenty to twenty three. Four

19:28

of us shared one room and two shared

19:30

another. The prayer room costs

19:32

nothing to attend and is free and open

19:34

to the public. So forty

19:36

five hundred dollars for meals, my electric billings

19:39

and my hot books. I currently

19:40

live in my own apartment, pay all of my own

19:42

bills, including rent, food, gasoline, renters,

19:45

insurance, credit card bills, student loans, electric, cell

19:47

phone, etcetera, etcetera, and all that cost

19:49

me approximately fifteen hundred dollars a

19:51

month. So basic math

19:52

says someone was getting a big

19:54

paycheck because my expenses would have never cost

19:56

that in an internship program where

19:58

we were given

19:59

so little.

20:02

probably should comment about IHOP KC being cult

20:04

like or not, but but I'm fixated on

20:06

being able to pay all the bills for fifteen

20:08

hundred dollars a month.

20:10

Oh, to have twenty twelve prices

20:13

again. Man, that

20:13

sounds really good right now.

20:16

Four. A

20:17

destructive cult appears to be innovative and

20:20

exclusive. The leader claims

20:22

to be breaking with tradition offering something

20:24

novel in instituting the

20:26

only viable system for change that will solve life's problems with the

20:28

world's ills. But these claims are

20:30

empty. They're only used to recruit members

20:32

who are then certitiously subjected

20:34

to mind control to inhibit their ability to

20:36

examine the actual validity of the claims,

20:38

of the leader and the cult.

20:40

In the time I was there, Mike

20:42

often used them in us types of

20:44

statements when referring to the church or

20:46

those outside of IHOP. We

20:48

were given a sense of being on the cutting edge

20:50

because we were ahead of the church

20:52

and we were doing something new and innovative that

20:54

was gonna sweep the world. It all

20:56

sounded good, so everyone wanted to be in on it

20:58

as a forerunner. the label of being

21:00

on the front lines, so no one

21:03

dared questions. Now

21:05

this is something I found problematic

21:07

going over. I have Casey's beliefs them

21:09

in business model. It it markets the stakes as

21:11

being the highest. Right? The world is

21:13

ending soon. Christ needs your help

21:16

You don't want to be on the wrong side of this

21:18

epic good versus evil final battle.

21:20

The time to act is now.

21:23

That's a very intense sales pitch. You know, the

21:25

urgency of all that. And doing this kind

21:27

of recruitment, recruitment where new warriors have to

21:29

pay for training is only ethical of a greater

21:32

war for sure is coming around the

21:34

corner. And I'm gonna go on

21:36

a limb and say there's not.

21:38

I'll say as I've said before that doomsday

21:40

predictors historically have all had one

21:42

thing in common, and that's been wrong

21:44

every single time. I mean, this is this

21:46

is just not a new novel

21:48

thing. Every generation, there has been

21:50

many doom's day predictors,

21:52

and they're always

21:53

wrong. And if this

21:54

whole war happening soon, Salespage is

21:56

a lie, we'll then

21:58

This entire thing is predicated on a on a

22:01

scam of sorts. Five.

22:04

A destructive cult is

22:07

authoritarian its power structure. Leaders

22:09

regarded as a supreme authority. He

22:11

or she may delegate certain power to a

22:13

few subordinates for the purpose of

22:15

scene that members adhere to the leader's wishes.

22:17

There was no appeal outside his or her

22:19

system to a greater system of justice.

22:22

For example, the school

22:24

teacher feels unjustly treated by a principal.

22:26

An appeal can

22:27

be made as superintendent.

22:30

In a destructive cult leader claims to have the

22:32

only and final ruling on all

22:34

matters. And they say

22:36

our family became friends with the Jewish couple who

22:38

were in KC for a conference.

22:40

They're part of an orthodox Jewish congregation in Israel and

22:42

were missionaries in the US. They had some

22:44

grave concerns in red flag red flags

22:47

regarding IHOP's theology that

22:49

they attempted to meet with and discuss. After being

22:51

brushed off by Mike multiple times and his refusal to

22:53

meet with them. Even though there were Jewish leaders

22:55

from Israel and Mike knew of them, he finally told

22:58

these friends of hours that this is how

23:00

we do things here. This is just how IHOP

23:02

is. It's not for everyone. Now there was

23:04

something you didn't like or didn't

23:06

agree with. You were basically told IHAP

23:08

wasn't for everyone. And if you couldn't handle it,

23:10

maybe you shouldn't be here. There

23:12

was no actual accountability for

23:14

anything deemed wrong or

23:16

unbiblical. You were told that IHOP has its own culture and

23:18

you must assimilate into that culture and language

23:20

to really understand it. If you had a problem with

23:22

something, you were told that you had just

23:24

not been around long enough understand how they did things or

23:27

you just weren't a good fit.

23:28

These are the answers I was

23:29

given when I met with internship leaders before

23:32

leaving. There was never actual admittance

23:34

of wrongdoing or hurt anyone who was caught

23:36

up in the crossfire. So, you

23:38

know, believe or leave,

23:40

and don't you dare critique our ways?

23:42

never the best sign of

23:44

a a belief system, you know, worthy

23:47

of such devotion in my

23:49

opinion. Number six, a

23:51

destructive cult leader. is a

23:53

self appointed misogynistic, misogynic.

23:55

Oh, my god. Misiah. Misiah,

23:57

there we go. Misiah person.

23:59

Claiming to have a special mission

24:01

in life. For example, leaders of

24:04

flying saus recruits claim that beans from outer

24:06

space have commissioned them to lead people away

24:08

from Earth so that only the leaders can save them

24:10

from impending doom. Every

24:12

intern was required to listen to the twelve hours

24:14

of IHOP's recorded history on

24:16

CD footage. Much

24:18

of this content was heavily edited,

24:20

heavily edited before its

24:22

publication. These tapes told

24:24

of prophetic words and signs that were

24:26

given to some of Mike's mentors. Bob

24:27

Jones, Paul Caine,

24:28

etcetera, who are all naming him as the leader of

24:31

the next big thing God

24:33

was doing. Over

24:35

and over and over again, I've heard it said

24:37

both directly by Mike as well as from others

24:39

that he, Mike, would be the leader of

24:41

a movement that changed the nature and

24:43

expression of Christianity you know, on

24:45

Earth. Every time all recognition pointed

24:47

to Mike, his mission to transform

24:49

the church and capture the hearts of America's youth

24:51

has been declared has been his

24:53

since the early nineteen eighties. One

24:55

of the major

24:55

dangers is that these grandiose sounding

24:58

claims and prophetic words are

25:00

laden with flattery narcissism, elitism. And

25:02

there are perfect

25:03

guys under which anything Mike introduces

25:05

to IHOP can fall under the heading of

25:07

being a new thing God is doing.

25:10

This elitist teaching puts Mike on a

25:12

pedestal and he has a

25:12

messionic, like devoted,

25:15

following the people who would do

25:17

anything if he told him Do anything if he

25:19

Oh my god. Sorry. Who would

25:21

do

25:21

anything if he told me

25:24

to? Without a moment

25:25

of questioning or hesitation. From

25:27

my observations and experiences on staff,

25:29

IHOP members do not think for themselves or

25:31

question Mike's interpretation of scripture,

25:33

or the slant in the way he teaches

25:36

it. At any conference, one will easily observe that if

25:38

Mike recommends a book or promotes a

25:40

teaching, a t shirt or a speaker. At the

25:42

next break, all of that item will be sold out in

25:44

the bookstore. When I was on staff,

25:46

I heard people continually sing Mike's praise around

25:48

the clock and quote more of what Mike said

25:50

or thought or taught than

25:52

actual scripture. Mike has an alluring

25:54

charisma and many seem to be instantly drawn

25:56

to his convincing appearance

25:58

and direction of purpose. He teaches

26:00

with passion and emotion rather

26:02

than truth in its that charisma draws and hooks people

26:04

cause he many to blindly

26:05

follow and defend his message.

26:07

I believe that the

26:08

IHAP lifestyle IHOP

26:11

lifestyle, by and large, sets people up for

26:13

disillusionment, to the false hope that its

26:15

deception provides. It is a

26:17

pseudo manufactured reality where people are told

26:19

you can live in Nirvana and enjoy the high of being

26:21

in God's presence twenty four seven,

26:23

and that can be all that you live

26:25

for. So people sell all that they have, buy

26:27

into a dream, and move across the

26:29

country to be part of a ministry that makes

26:31

captivating claims. And then the world often

26:33

crumbles to ashes when things aren't

26:35

as they seem once they arrive. Mike's

26:38

primary target and focus is on the young

26:40

people. The appeals from the pulpit and his well

26:42

polished speeches aim at capturing the hearts of

26:44

America's youth. Children and youth

26:46

are not told or encouraged to respect or

26:48

honor the parents God gave them.

26:50

Instead wedges are driven between families and

26:52

a seat pride, rebellion, and elitism

26:54

gets planted into the hearts of the young when

26:56

they are told things like the following. This is

26:58

a very close, paraphrase of

27:00

what I've heard many, many times at one

27:02

thing. I have conferences and

27:04

in teaching by leaders. You are

27:06

called on to be on the cutting edge. Come

27:08

here and join a community of other people who

27:10

are like you Call to what you've been called to.

27:12

We understand you. You've been

27:14

misunderstood at the church. You've had your

27:17

wings clipped. Your gifts misunderstood. Here,

27:20

you can fulfill your forerunner calling

27:22

that your family just hasn't understood

27:24

about you. You

27:25

might feel like you don't fit back home. You're

27:27

on the outside. No one understands the fire and you.

27:29

Well, we get it. You are the

27:31

leaders that God is raising up these end

27:33

times, and you will be kings and

27:35

queens on earth. rainy with him.

27:38

You were made for this place. IHOP is

27:40

an incubator for people like

27:43

you. narcissistic speech is like this and

27:45

still a sense of pride, arrogance, and leadism in

27:47

the hearts of the youth who hear it, and it feeds

27:49

their need for validation and

27:51

identity. They run to IHOP, leave their

27:53

families, join internships, hoping

27:55

that what they've heard is true. They

27:57

go to IHOP looking for identity instead of

27:59

finding it

27:59

in Jesus. Once outside

28:01

of the IHOP environment, they are terrified

28:03

and overwhelming by the real world and

28:05

don't know how to function in it when they've been in

28:07

an intensive internship environment.

28:09

There was

28:09

a degree of reactivating to normal

28:12

life. It feels like an IHOP

28:14

detox afterward. It's

28:15

a severe emotional drop because the hyped up

28:17

services and conferences that were your manner are now

28:19

gone and when there is no prayer room, your life and

28:21

God feels empty and lifeless. Many

28:24

simply don't know how to engage with God in a real

28:26

day to day basis once they've left.

28:28

I

28:28

experienced this and heard the exact same thing from a

28:31

handful of my friends after they left IHOP

28:33

in the internship. At that

28:34

point when disillusionment sets in, I know

28:36

many interns that walked away from God come pleatly

28:39

upon leaving the internship and went back

28:41

in the lifestyles worse than the ones they

28:43

left when they came to IHOP originally.

28:45

So, yeah, driving a wedge between you and your family. If

28:47

your family doesn't also believe, if this

28:49

happens, right? Very negative tactic

28:52

that

28:52

nearly always, you know, helps to find a

28:55

cult. if

28:55

the strong and logical,

28:57

well then, you know,

28:59

they wouldn't need to do

29:00

this. They wouldn't need to, you know,

29:03

prior people or put a wedge in between people and their families because the families probably

29:05

wouldn't be bothered by the messages they're

29:08

giving. Number

29:09

seven. and I'm gonna

29:11

take a little sip of water. I'm not I'm not gonna stop down

29:13

every time I do a stick because

29:14

it just will draw

29:16

this out

29:17

forever. You

29:19

listen regularly. No. I never try and do that,

29:22

but the virus

29:24

bill has affected me.

29:27

Okay. Seven instructors, cult leaders, centers the

29:29

veneration of members upon himself or

29:31

herself. Cree's rabbis, ministers,

29:33

Democratic leaders, and other leaders of

29:36

genuinely altruist movements focus the

29:38

veneration of adherence on God or a set of

29:40

ethical principles. Co

29:42

leaders in contrast keep the focus of love,

29:44

devotion, and allegiance on themselves.

29:46

I believe my

29:47

statements above illustrate this, so I won't be

29:50

redundant. Finally, number eight, a destructive cold

29:52

leader tends to be determined, domineering,

29:54

and charismatic. Such leader effectively

29:56

persuades followers to abandon or alter

29:58

their families, friends, and careers, to follow the

29:59

cult. The leader then takes

30:01

control over followers' possessions, money,

30:03

time, and lives. Euther pumped

30:06

up at conferences and then go home to Delta parents.

30:08

They're moving to Kansas City to join IHOP,

30:10

be part of an intern shit, etcetera. At

30:12

the time, sadly, they don't realize how much more they

30:14

are giving up and leaving behind than just their

30:17

families. I was hurled into

30:18

a system that took control of my time

30:20

when I ate slipped, had time alone, etcetera.

30:23

Picking up pieces of my heart and rebuilding a biblical

30:25

view of God after getting outside IHOP was

30:27

quite a long process. I

30:29

hope that by sharing all this, I'm able to spare others

30:32

the heartache of

30:33

what I went through.

30:35

Okay. So

30:35

there we go. So that's so that's just you know one

30:38

person's opinion. I

30:39

have no way of verifying that they were even a

30:41

part of IHOP Casey. But

30:43

as I said

30:44

earlier, their concerns complaints do mirror

30:46

those I've read from others

30:48

in an you know, online and also things

30:50

uncovered in

30:51

investigative journalism pieces.

30:53

I think what Ariel shared is

30:54

is good to keep in mind as I walk you

30:56

through their beliefs, practices in history. Speaking

30:59

of beliefs, let me share the one I

31:01

find. The most concerning just right

31:03

away. And it's Mike Bickle's vision

31:05

of who I we'll

31:07

call Killer Christ, a very war

31:09

you're like deity. The Vanguard

31:11

of god's end times army according to Bickel will

31:13

be made up of young people or forerunners.

31:16

seers especially attuned to the will

31:18

of the Lord, the best of all the

31:20

generations that have ever been seen here

31:22

on the face of the Earth. There's

31:23

a quote from one of his his

31:25

sermons. For seven years of

31:28

tribulation, they will battle the antichrist. When

31:30

Christ returns, he will slaughter by sword in

31:32

a single day. the

31:33

unsaved. And his warriors will rule

31:35

heaven and earth forever more.

31:37

And there's more descriptive kind

31:39

of past years about Christ that I'll get

31:41

into later, but you know,

31:43

that's they're all generally just depicting

31:45

the same very

31:48

bloody, literally sword wielding

31:50

warrior And and this is, in my opinion, it's

31:52

just such a fucking crazy thing to root

31:55

for. Jesus literally

31:57

chopping people dead with a sword. as in

31:59

the son of God covered in their

31:59

blood. blood Right? Why

32:02

would you wanna hold

32:03

this belief? I just like

32:05

like, waiting on a deity to come down and

32:07

slaughter pedophiles, rape and serial killers, etcetera.

32:10

Okay. I can

32:10

actually get behind that.

32:12

But just to put all

32:13

random non believers to

32:14

the fucking sword?

32:16

because they won't

32:17

convert. Seems

32:19

pretty harsh. nice Hindi

32:21

family down the street. Right? Straight up getting

32:23

fucking chopped by Killer Christ.

32:26

Nice old Jewish couple. You know that always dream

32:28

to smile and questions about how you're

32:30

doing? Christ gonna slam them.

32:32

Super sweet adorable atheist family

32:34

who sells organic vegetables at the farmer's market

32:36

and gives what they don't sell to food banks off

32:38

with their fucking heads. Chop

32:40

IHOP motherfucker. This feels, I

32:42

don't know, kinda evil. I'll

32:44

go over

32:45

more beliefs here soon, but that's an important one I

32:47

think to keep in mind this episode

32:50

because, like, all the sweet singing and all the

32:52

missionary work, all the praying,

32:54

is all essentially done to pave the way for

32:56

for Killer Christ to come down

32:58

and and get to chopping. So let's talk

33:00

a bit about structure now. The international House of

33:02

Prayer is a Christian organization based

33:04

in Kansas City, Missouri, now

33:06

called

33:06

IHOP KC, offer

33:08

twenty four seven prayer room and live streaming

33:10

of worship services. The prayer room has been

33:12

open twenty four seven.

33:14

Since September nineteenth nineteen ninety

33:17

nine, and

33:17

you can view this prayer room on the IHOP KC website or

33:19

you can just find it on YouTube very easily. You

33:21

just put in the search bar,

33:24

IHOP KC. prayer room, or IHOP

33:26

KC twenty four seven, and it comes right

33:28

up. I I

33:28

will admit, I listened to it for

33:31

hours, while

33:31

researching this episode. And I

33:34

gotta say, is

33:34

hypnotic. Not the kind

33:36

of church music I ever experienced growing

33:39

up. Much of

33:40

it very translike

33:43

induces a lot of calm and peace, very soothing,

33:46

meditative. For me, induces

33:48

a sense of mysticism for

33:50

sure. I'm just gonna place them right now

33:52

and I don't even know what is being played because I

33:54

am just going to check-in with

33:56

the actual livestream and

33:59

see what

33:59

they're doing.

34:01

holy spirit and you bring what is lacking. But

34:03

if there is hope that is needed,

34:05

you bring IHOP. But there is more

34:07

love that is needed you

34:09

bring more love, that there is

34:11

more faith

34:12

that is needed. You bring more faith,

34:14

father, that there

34:15

is more mercy, you bring more

34:18

mercy, that We

34:19

need more. What's going on right

34:22

now?

34:22

Is usually

34:24

it's more just songs.

34:26

But I can't remember how often. But every

34:29

so often, somebody will kind of give

34:31

this type of a test and

34:33

and more you know, speak about about

34:36

God. And then it'll and

34:38

then it'll just weave back into music. That

34:41

you ring

34:43

us I'll also say, I find it

34:46

interesting that there's so many attractive

34:48

people in the in the prayer

34:50

room. A lot a lot of men

34:52

and women. Let's be good for recruiting.

34:54

Okay. Now goes back in the song. So she puts the mic down, and they just have this big

34:56

rotating cast in musicians.

34:59

There might be I

35:02

don't know, maybe a dozen of them sometimes up there. And then, like, they

35:04

might go down to just like one person on

35:06

piano, let the band rotate out and

35:09

you've kept this going for decades.

35:12

No. Non stop. It's

35:14

never stops. They do like equipment fixes

35:16

and stuff. while they just keep

35:19

it going. Like,

35:22

I wanna

35:23

just keep listening on it.

35:25

There's something about But, yeah, music, concert music. You know,

35:28

can be harmless for sure. But I want some

35:30

music very

35:30

often, an important tool used by

35:32

co leaders. Right? And I'm in a refinery

35:35

twenty nine article leaders use music

35:37

for mind control. The author wrote that it is

35:39

common in cults to use music and religious ceremonies in

35:41

order to direct emotional and

35:44

psychological attention. to a specific

35:46

ideology or person. This

35:47

is dangerous because it rewires how your

35:49

brain works. Further isolating you from the world

35:51

outside of the cult makes me think of Ariel

35:53

talking about how so many people just wanted

35:55

to be in on the prayer which I get. Right? Just makes you feel

35:57

good. You feel the sense of

35:59

mysticism. It's very

36:02

powerful draw.

36:04

Maybe father

36:05

Yod could have taken his

36:06

source cult to greater heights if his music hadn't

36:09

been just so fucking terrible.

36:11

You remember that? Remember

36:13

how bad Yahoo thirteen's

36:16

shit

36:18

was? That's gonna

36:20

be something. That's gonna

36:32

If that if that was a music coming out of the twenty four seven prayer room,

36:34

it would've lasted about forty eight hours before

36:36

it would've just shut down. If that,

36:38

there'd be there'd be no one. There'd be no

36:41

one left. There'd just be father yod

36:43

before

36:43

he passed away. Music

36:46

psychologist, professional

36:48

pianists, Marina,

36:49

Corsicaica, Crianne,

36:50

says regarding the importance of music to cults,

36:52

music does activate our biological reward

36:54

system along with food, sex, drugs,

36:58

and money. There are clear biological motivations for the importance of

37:00

food, sex, and drugs that science can

37:02

explain, but explain why a non

37:04

necessity,

37:04

like music,

37:07

gives us

37:07

a chemical shot of pleasure, difficult

37:09

to

37:09

rationalize. There is, yeah, something

37:12

mystical about music. The right

37:13

music. Anecdotally, I I think

37:15

music, you know, It's persuasive manipulative powers are just

37:17

pretty obvious. I mean, we make playlists, if I do,

37:20

right, to seduce, to

37:22

enhance sex.

37:24

we use music to get cycled up for workouts,

37:26

to get our minds quote, right,

37:28

hitting on all cylinders for our workdays.

37:31

Right? Stores pipe it in to make customers spend more

37:33

money. masseuse play the right calming sounds to

37:36

enhance massages. Restaurants select

37:38

the right tracks to enhance the palate.

37:40

and cult leaders or cultist groups can use it to stir

37:43

up mystical euphoric feelings inside of followers

37:45

and get them to associate those

37:47

feelings with their group. becomes

37:50

a a Pavlovian Association then. The write

37:52

songs of worship continually hammering the belief tenants

37:54

of a cult into the minds of

37:58

believers Right? Creating that pavlovine associated between hearing the music strongly associated

38:00

with and derived from the cult and feeling like

38:02

a part of something magical can

38:04

cement trust and loyalty to

38:08

the cult. for sure and has done with many

38:10

cults. So outside of singing songs, what's

38:12

IHOP about? IHOPKC is

38:14

according to its own website.

38:17

an evangelical Missions organization that is committed

38:19

to praying for the release of the fullness of

38:21

God's power and purpose, which is

38:23

a nicer

38:24

nicer thing to say than saying

38:26

I can kill a Christ down here and start chopping off

38:28

heads. Their goal is to win the loss, heal the sick, feed the

38:30

poor, make disciples, and impact every

38:33

sphere of society. Our vision is

38:35

to work in relationship with the wider body of

38:38

Christ to engage in the great commission as

38:39

we seek to walk out the two great

38:42

commandments to love God

38:44

and people. They call themselves a community of believers committed to god each other

38:46

and to establishing and maintaining a

38:48

twenty four seven house of prayer in

38:50

Kansas City. According

38:52

to the IHOP KC mission statement, IHOP

38:54

KC, community exists to partner

38:56

in the great commission by advancing twenty fourseven

38:58

prayer with

39:00

worship and proclaiming the beauty of Jesus and his glorious return.

39:02

And the great commission is defined as Jesus'

39:04

instructions after his resurrection to his

39:06

disciples to spread the gospel all over

39:09

the world. I have KC

39:10

emphasizes prayer, worship, fasting,

39:12

and works of justice. They write we

39:14

are committed to prayer fasting, the

39:18

great commission. and

39:18

to living as forerunners, spiritually preparing for the unique dynamics

39:20

of the end times. The work

39:22

of our ministry includes equipping and sending out

39:24

missionaries as dedicated intercessors and

39:27

evangelists. who work to see revival within

39:29

the church and a harvest among those,

39:31

surgeon for god. We take seriously the

39:34

mandate to train believers to love Jesus

39:36

and and others wholeheartedly, As together,

39:37

we go forth to preach the world, to preach

39:39

the

39:39

word, heal a sick, serve the

39:42

poor, plant houses a prayer and proclaim the

39:44

return of Jesus across

39:45

the earth. Part of our mission's base is night and day prayer

39:47

with worship. I have K C

39:50

was founded by a guy who has

39:52

claimed to have received a ton

39:54

of prophecies. and

39:56

to have also visited heaven on two

39:58

different occasions.

39:59

Alright? Mike claims that once he

40:01

visited heaven at exactly

40:03

two sixteen AM, and God ordered

40:05

him to prepare an end times ministry him in a golden chariot that

40:08

lifted off

40:09

into the imperium. IHOP

40:12

did did you visit heaven at two sixteen

40:14

AM, heaven time? Or two

40:16

sixteen AM local Kansas City time?

40:20

How

40:20

do you know that this was the exact time he visited Heaven?

40:22

Was he

40:22

was he just happened to he happened to be watching

40:24

the clock at two sixteen AM when he got whisked up

40:26

in the chariot? Or was he not watching the clock?

40:29

But then as he started to get into the chair, he's like, hold

40:31

on. I gotta check the clock. I gotta have some more

40:33

credibility for this claim when I get when

40:35

I get back. I don't

40:36

know. It just seems odd. Like like someone would doubt him if he didn't have

40:38

that time. Are you sure you visit heaven,

40:40

Mike? If

40:41

you visit heaven, what

40:42

time do you visit heaven? two

40:45

sixteen AM. Alright.

40:47

Okay. Now I believe

40:49

you. Pastor Mike Bigel founded IHOP

40:51

on May seventh nineteen ninety nine in a building on

40:53

Grand View Road in Kansas City,

40:56

Missouri. New York Times calls Mike a self trained

40:58

evangelical pastor. According

41:00

to the IHOP KC website, Mike directs International House of

41:02

Prayer and is the founder of the International

41:04

House of Praer University, and he's

41:06

published several books. One of his most

41:08

popular

41:08

books is growing in the prophetic

41:11

a practical biblical guide to dreams, visions,

41:13

and spiritual gifts.

41:15

A

41:15

practical guide to understanding

41:18

spiritual visions. Is that

41:20

a thing? a practical

41:20

guide to dream interpretation. Can that be

41:22

a thing? Is that even possible? Can you

41:25

write a practical guide

41:26

to, like, understanding what you see on

41:30

psychedelic trips? who would qualify someone to write any of this stuff. Does does this

41:32

book, whether or not he's a cult

41:33

leader, it feels like the kind of book

41:35

written by Coleer. from

41:37

the about Mike's section of IHOP Casey's

41:40

website. Mike's teachings emphasize growing and

41:42

passion for Jesus through intimacy

41:44

with God doing evangelism

41:46

and missions work from the place of night and

41:48

day prayer and the end times. Always

41:50

the end times. Doomsday.

41:52

Very popular focus. Mike claims

41:54

that he heard God's voice talking directly to

41:56

him on numerous occasions in addition to heading up

41:58

to having twice. His prophetic experiences are

42:00

part of the church's prophetic history which

42:03

we'll cover more detail later on.

42:05

I have Casey's full time

42:07

staff called themselves intercessory, missionaries,

42:10

they raise their own outside

42:12

support

42:12

money to work full time for IHOP

42:15

KC. IHOP KC currently has

42:16

about two thousand staff students

42:19

and interns working fifty hours a week in

42:21

prayer rooms, classrooms and ministry. The goal

42:23

is to

42:23

have thousands of full time intercessory, oh

42:25

my god, inter

42:28

accessory.

42:28

There we go. Missionaries who are

42:30

devoted to praying and serving God.

42:32

Excuse me. Worship

42:36

sessions are held in the global prayer room at the Kansas

42:38

City IHOP. There are now other prayer

42:40

rooms across the country. We'll focus on

42:42

just one, the mothership. the Kansas City

42:44

prayer room for this episode.

42:46

IHOPKC's prayer rooms are based so they

42:48

claim on the spirit of the tabernacle

42:50

of David. Tabernacle was

42:52

a tent directed to house the ark of the

42:54

covenant after the conquest of Jerusalem. It was

42:56

a

42:56

dwelling place for god and a site for

42:58

worship. Bickel

42:58

wanted to resurrect a similar place with the international house of prayer. Anyone

43:00

is allowed to walk into the prayer

43:02

room at any time. Some people engage

43:04

in the

43:05

songs or prayers, Others

43:08

read, study, write, or pray on their

43:10

own. Others walk

43:11

around the room or stand

43:13

during prayer sessions.

43:16

masturbation, I'm guessing, is frowned

43:17

upon. Some do kind

43:19

of twitch around spastically as the

43:21

holy spirit itself in their body,

43:23

though. That seems to be welcomed.

43:24

More on that later. The service

43:26

is alternate in two hour sets,

43:28

six two

43:29

hour intercession sessions, and six

43:31

two hour worship sessions. inter

43:33

session sessions are that's kind of fun to

43:35

say. Are usually energetic as the room is

43:38

invited to engage in

43:40

corporate prayer. There

43:40

is generally a specific prayer focus and individuals in the room are welcome to pray on

43:42

the microphone for a excuse me, corporate

43:45

burden, which may involve the

43:47

Kansas City region or

43:49

believers worldwide. There are also

43:51

cycles of rapid fire prayer when intercessors go to

43:53

the microphone to pray a succession of fifteen

43:56

second prayers. on a Pacific

43:58

theme as well as times of small

43:59

group prayer for any who wish to participate. A lot of

44:02

different kinds of

44:03

prayer. Intercession, i

44:05

e focused prayers on behalf

44:07

of specific people or on

44:09

specific situations occur at twelve AM, four

44:11

AM, six AM, ten AM,

44:13

four PM and eight PM, worship with the word

44:16

two AM, eight AM, twelve PM,

44:18

two PM, six PM, and

44:20

ten PM. As you

44:21

see on the website, worship with the words, prayer format in which we agree

44:23

with god's heart as we sing the biblical

44:25

truths of who god is and what

44:27

his promises are.

44:29

These sessions are more devotional

44:30

in nature, providing an atmosphere

44:32

conducive to reading the bible and entering into

44:34

contemplative or devotional prayer.

44:36

Night watch is what IHOP casey calls a night shift in

44:38

the prayer room. They work for mid night to six

44:40

AM and night watch has made up staff

44:43

interns students and based off the Psalm one hundred and

44:46

thirty four. Behold,

44:47

lest Lord all you

44:48

servants of the Lord who by night stand

44:50

in the house of the Lord, Lyft

44:53

up your

44:53

hands in the sanctuary and bless the lord. The

44:55

lord who made heaven and earth bless you from

44:58

zion. IHOPKC believes

44:59

IHOP night watch promotes a deeper more

45:01

focused connection with God. Tell

45:03

me crazy, but

45:04

I'm gonna go on a limb and say that if

45:06

you need to be in a prayer room at

45:08

three o'clock in the morning,

45:10

here's not

45:10

a good place overall. Right?

45:12

Like, you're not Forget spiritually.

45:14

You just You're not doing well

45:16

mental health wise. You're freaking out. You're worried about dying

45:18

or having some kind of existential crisis

45:22

or some You're having a psychotic episode, you're mentally ill. I just

45:24

don't think if life is moving in a good direction

45:26

for you, you have a healthy circle

45:28

of friends? Good job.

45:30

Healthy romantic relationship or don't feel like you need

45:32

a romantic relationship. Physical

45:34

health is good. You haven't experienced the

45:36

death of a loved one, no major health

45:38

scares. I just don't think you head on into the prayer

45:40

room at three AM if the if the

45:42

ship is sailing smoothly. Try

45:44

wait until,

45:44

I don't know, eight AM. Nine

45:46

AM. Let's get

45:47

those songs in. IHOP

45:48

KC is mainly known for their harp and bowl

45:51

worship model. And what the fuck

45:53

is

45:53

that you might ask?

45:55

I have KC

45:55

writes on their website. It sounds intimidating, but it's

45:58

really not. We speak of a harping

45:59

bold model of prayer. At

46:02

International House of Prayer, we use this model as a way of

46:04

combining worship and prayer. It helps to

46:06

facilitate enjoyable prayer as we

46:08

sing various biblical passages.

46:10

This has proven integral to sustaining twenty

46:12

fourseven prayer with worship twenty

46:14

years that I have KC. There have been various

46:16

expression in this model used by others throughout the

46:18

body of Christ and prayer meetings worldwide.

46:21

focus of Harper and Bowl worship

46:23

is God himself. Our songs and prayers are

46:25

directed towards God, and we pray for issues,

46:27

such as

46:28

the ending of abortion or human trafficking, we

46:30

are and God to move in accordance with his word and desires. We

46:32

do this by grounding our prayers in the

46:33

Bible. We start by expressing agreement with

46:36

God's word and what he says about the problem

46:38

or situation.

46:39

Lord faithful to his word and will not

46:42

return to him void until it has

46:44

accomplished that for which it

46:46

was sent. Harpen Bowl

46:48

facilitates interaction between the

46:50

intercessors, singers, and musicians.

46:52

Most prayer meetings begin with a time of

46:54

corporate worship to bring people together in

46:56

God's presence. Then when intercession starts, the music dials down, but still

46:58

continues as the intercessor is praying, and

47:00

that's what we just heard.

47:02

When each

47:04

prayer is included the singers began to sing based on what was prayed on the

47:06

intercessors mic, eventually creating a

47:08

chorus for the whole room to sing. So

47:10

it's like It's like a there's

47:12

these improv games that

47:14

places it like second city or groundlings will

47:16

do. These long form improv games that are

47:18

very similar to this just without the music.

47:21

This is

47:21

how we are able to pray for hours on end. The

47:23

cycle repeats as often as needed based on the number of

47:26

intercessors with times of corporate worship

47:28

interwoven to provide breaks

47:30

between intercession.

47:31

the topics. In

47:32

corporate worship, that's a funny

47:34

sounding phrase

47:35

to me. Sorry. I

47:37

didn't sip again. corporate

47:39

worship. Right? I just makes me

47:41

think

47:42

of things like, we will praise the God

47:44

or righteous God who offers the best

47:46

401K plan.

47:48

An

47:48

amazing God who provides a Facebook with paid time off at generous bonus

47:51

compensation plan. I know that's

47:53

not what it means.

47:54

the without me that's why I think I might

47:55

hear corporate prayer. The May and I hop k c goal is

47:58

to keep praying until Jesus returns. They

47:59

believe the praying directly

48:00

helps speed up the arrival of the

48:03

end times. Right? Fucking end times, bingo bango,

48:05

the darkness hiding behind the

48:07

happy music. And again, I know there's

48:09

more to the end times and just a bunch

48:11

of people getting chopped. that is a big

48:13

part of it. It does take off with a

48:15

large bloodbath. And that is a weird

48:18

fucking thing to root for. And I know

48:20

you're not I know you're not directly rooting for the bloodbath, you're rooting for

48:22

the time after the bloodbath,

48:24

but it just sucks that

48:26

people feel like they have to get through

48:28

the bloodbath to

48:30

get to the good stuff. Right? It's just to Palmer, they

48:32

they can't just be singing these songs. Let me let me

48:35

go back and play a little bit of what

48:37

they're doing now here. get

48:40

to their

48:42

song. This is nice.

48:44

My kid is these like

48:46

just songs

48:47

about like everything's gonna be fine. And

48:50

god's gonna take care of the devil and don't even

48:52

worry about it. He doesn't need your help because he's omnipotent

48:54

power for god. You just fucking sit

48:56

tight and sing your songs. guys gonna fuck

48:59

up the devil and they were in a party. But instead, it's

49:01

gotta be singing that to

49:03

to power up the

49:06

killer Christ to

49:07

come down and just start fucking

49:09

lopping heads. I

49:10

don't know. What

49:12

makes me feel like they they should be singing like

49:14

different kinds of songs. the song should get darker in the prayer

49:16

room. Maybe start off nice, but then get darker. Maybe

49:19

start off like Jesus loves me.

49:21

This sign now for the

49:23

bible tells me

49:25

so Little wants to him be long. They

49:28

are weak, but he is

49:30

strong. So

49:32

freaking strong. So

49:33

freaking strong

49:36

strong enough, dude. Cut can't end up.

49:38

Do not. What's up? Him. Stop enough

49:40

to impress the only. Who did he just

49:42

call? Get Christ. Well, stay at

49:44

all. Like, maybe

49:45

just, you know, if that's

49:46

if that's part of the focus, just

49:48

spell that out in the songs.

49:50

Mike Bigel preaches that IHOP attendees are in the

49:52

early days of the generation of Jesus'

49:54

return right now. But many

49:56

Christians have been taken

49:57

over by demons, gosh

50:00

day. According

50:00

to Mike, their focused worship weakens demons and

50:02

strengthens angels that live on earth. And this

50:04

will bring on the great tribulation, the final

50:07

battle, and the second coming.

50:09

and I find

50:10

I find this weird. But

50:12

I I find

50:12

it weird that singing would strengthen

50:15

the angels hiding out here

50:16

on earth and weakened demons.

50:18

I just I don't know.

50:20

I was thought of demons being stronger than that. You

50:22

know? I just picture some demon out there now.

50:24

Just just

50:24

can't quite get strong enough. Just just to

50:26

fuck some shit up. Just take somebody's soul over.

50:29

They

50:29

get close, but then they they

50:31

hear this music. You know, this is

50:33

damaged. If you can just call off your

50:35

army of synthesizers and vocal

50:37

harmonies, Mike Pickle. Every time I'm about to take

50:39

a soul, I get distracted by the

50:42

hypnotic,

50:42

meditative, transphysics,

50:45

sun by this really attractive blonde woman

50:47

right now.

50:48

Dang it. Bickles

50:51

preached

50:51

the church causes the

50:54

great

50:54

tribulation. He's quoted as saying, his second coming will probably happen

50:56

within the lifetime of people living today. But

50:58

it's smart to use the

51:00

smarter use the were probably word probably. I'll give

51:02

him that. He didn't say certainly. Just doing a

51:04

lot better than a

51:05

lot of these guys. Right? Give him a little bit

51:07

of wiggle room if the second

51:09

coming doesn't happen. anytime soon,

51:11

which it won't. Statements like

51:13

this cause other pastors to argue that

51:15

he's using apocalyptic predictions to

51:17

lure in believers. Right? Yeah. Make the steaks

51:20

big.

51:20

It is a proven recruiting technique. Right? Sell

51:22

that drama. Cold, cold,

51:24

cold,

51:26

They think

51:26

that he's crossing a line by suggesting that IHOP case

51:28

he's praying could help actively bring on

51:30

the second coming. And and I do

51:32

agree that that's too much.

51:34

Right? According to Bickel God's end times army will be made up of so called forerunners or

51:36

Sears who know the Will of God, the

51:38

best of all the generations that

51:41

have been seen on the face of the

51:44

earth. This army will battle the Antichrist

51:46

for seven years during the

51:48

Great tribulation when Christ returns, they'll kill every non man.

51:50

And his army will rule heaven earth.

51:52

Right? Kill a Christ. greatest

51:55

most bloodthirsty war the universe has ever seen. CHOP

51:58

CHOP motherfuckers. Important note,

52:00

this belief is not unique to

52:03

IHOP Casey. Many people who share these beliefs are usually part of

52:05

religious movement called a new opposed toistic reformation. Prayer rooms

52:07

and prayer rallies

52:08

are becoming more common.

52:11

the NAR believes that the seven mountains

52:13

of culture. Government business family

52:16

educational systems, media, arts, religion will

52:18

soon all fall under

52:20

their influence. And there are a lot

52:22

of other Mike pickles out there, self proclaimed prophets who got his supposed he spoke with directly,

52:24

informing them of, you know,

52:26

how needed they are in the upcoming battle between

52:29

good and evil.

52:30

Bickel is careful to

52:32

say that he doesn't think his group's prayers will directly

52:34

bring on the second coming. He claims

52:36

that calling Church followers forerunners is

52:40

not implying that they are in a league group, but he does

52:42

kind of imply that they're in a league group. And

52:44

that his group's prayers will help bring

52:47

about the second coming. if

52:48

you listen to his sermons. He's also said God to be like gods. God

52:51

has conceived in his heart of a plan

52:53

to make a race of men that would live

52:55

like gods on earth.

52:57

And that is powerful recruiting language. You want to be a

53:00

god, come

53:00

with me. I'll show you the way.

53:02

Unlike

53:03

many religious groups, covered on times. Like,

53:05

I beliefs website. Here are some of the main

53:08

ones. Number one, the

53:08

bible, we believe that only the sixty

53:11

six books of the bible are the inspired and therefore

53:14

in in errant word of

53:16

God. The bible is the

53:17

final authority for all we believe in how

53:19

we are to live. Two,

53:21

the

53:21

holy trinity, we believe that one true god exists

53:24

externally in three persons, father, son, and holy

53:26

spirit. And that these being

53:27

one god are equal in deity,

53:29

power and glory. God is infinite in love, perfect in judgments,

53:31

unchanging in righteousness and mercy. We believe that God

53:34

not only created the world, but also now

53:36

upholds sustains governance

53:38

and prevent provid

53:39

...providance.

53:40

Providance.

53:42

Oh

53:43

my god. Providance.

53:45

There

53:45

we go. Directs

53:47

all that exists. and

53:49

that he will bring all things to the proper consummation in Christ Jesus to the

53:51

glory of his name. Salvation.

53:55

salvation By

53:56

the way, having to pause on words

53:58

like that, like, I would be the worst

53:59

preacher. Like, if I was a preacher, I

54:02

would I would get tossed out

54:04

so quick. Like,

54:05

like, even if I was trying so hard,

54:07

because I would scammer and I'd get frustrated

54:09

and I would I would swear. Right? Like,

54:11

if

54:11

you put on a good sermon, I'd be like, he

54:13

will bring all things to the

54:15

proper con intimate intimate.

54:16

Cut fuck.

54:18

Contimation. Sorry.

54:19

In Christ Jesus.

54:22

To the there'd be a lot of, like, you

54:24

know, people in the

54:26

in the pewds. Like, no. No. No. No. No. You're doing

54:28

it again. You're doing it again. You're gonna you're

54:30

gonna get tossed. Three, salvation.

54:32

We believe that salvation is by grace alone

54:34

through phase alone and Christ alone, no

54:36

ordinance, ritual, work or any other activity

54:38

on the part of man is required or accepted for

54:40

his salvation. This

54:41

saving grace of God through the power of the Holy

54:43

Spirit also sanctifies us by enabling us to do

54:46

what is pleasing in God's sight that we might

54:48

progressively conform to the image

54:50

of Christ. For humanity,

54:50

we believe the humanity male and female was originally created the image

54:52

of God, righteous and without sin. As

54:54

a consequence of disobedience,

54:56

all persons are sinners by both

54:58

nature choice and are therefore

55:00

spiritually dead and justly

55:02

condemned as children of wrath

55:04

and the sight of god wholly unable to save

55:06

themselves. Good

55:07

job, Eve, you fucked it for

55:10

us. We used

55:10

to be righteous without sin, but you had

55:12

to have that apple. Now

55:14

we're children of wrath. sounds like we're gremlins or

55:16

goblins or some shit. Five,

55:18

the church. We believe that the

55:21

church is God's primary instrument. through which

55:23

he is fulfilling his redemptive purposes in the earth. To

55:25

equip the saints for the work of ministry,

55:27

God has given the church of apostles,

55:29

prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers.

55:32

We also affirm that the priesthood of all believers and the importance of every Christian

55:34

being joined with and actively involved

55:36

in the local community of the saints.

55:38

We believe

55:39

that women

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shitty. And

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no. We believe that women no.

55:45

Less than before the a weird left turn. We

55:47

believe that women should be fucking put down.

55:48

they

55:49

must be killed. Now we believe women know us and men are called and

55:50

gifted to proclaim the gospel and do the

55:52

works of the kingdom. So very progressive.

55:55

Women also spread the word of killer

55:58

whales. A historic, pre

56:00

millennialism,

56:00

pre millennialism.

56:03

millennia, my god. Yeah. I said it right. Okay. We

56:05

believe in the literal second coming in Christ as the

56:07

end of his age when he will

56:09

return to earth personally.

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and

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visibly to reign over the

56:13

nations in

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his

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millennial

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kingdom. And that

56:17

Christ the king will

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also fuck shit up.

56:23

Sunday Sunday. At the Bobby Jo

56:25

John Deere event center in fair denser

56:27

tries takes on everyone who refuses to believe. One god

56:30

versus most of humanity. One

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sword, wield to buy an immortal deity, who

56:34

probably cannot

56:36

be but didn't fare too well when he last went up against the Romans, so he does the

56:38

battle with no in one record. Who wins?

56:40

A bunch of non Christian families don't believe this

56:42

war or anything to do with it or kill or cry

56:45

God's beheaded. I was trying to

56:48

say beheaded there at

56:49

the end. I don't know I don't know

56:51

what actually came out. Obviously, I

56:52

out of the wrestling talk.

56:54

Now they actually have written.

56:55

We believe that the church will go through the great tribulation with great

56:57

power and victory. It will only be rapture at the

56:59

end of the great

57:02

tribulation. No one can know with certainty the

57:04

timing of the Lord's return. We also believe in and are praying for

57:06

a great end time harvest of souls.

57:10

and the emergence of a victorious church that will experience unprecedented

57:12

unity, purity, and power, and holy spirit.

57:14

Seven heaven and hell,

57:16

believe that when Christians die, they

57:18

pass immediately into the blessed presence of Christ. They

57:20

are to enjoy conscious fellowship with the savior

57:22

until the day of the resurrection. And the

57:25

glorious transformation of their bodies? save

57:27

or receive eternal rewards and for dwell and blissful fellowship with

57:29

the great triune God. We

57:31

also believe that when unbelievers die, they

57:33

are consigned to

57:36

hell. They're to await the day of judgment when they shall be punished in of fire with

57:38

eternal conscience and tormented separation from

57:40

the presence of God.

57:41

Yeah. Get them. Burn people

57:43

like me

57:44

people at me forever forever. reasonable.

57:46

Very fair punishment for those of us who think, you know,

57:48

because this might not be true. Number

57:50

eight, marriage, the

57:51

IHOP KC

57:54

team upholds a new testament view of the sanctity of sex in the context

57:56

of marriage between one man and one woman.

57:58

However, we

57:59

strongly

57:59

oppose victimization, or violence

58:02

against any sect of society that disagrees with the

58:04

biblical view. Right? They'll get

58:06

punished and awful later. We don't need

58:08

to be violent with them here because oh, they're

58:10

gonna get there. We honor the dignity and rights of all who from

58:12

us until they burn.

58:14

IHOPKC also believes in the bridegroom

58:16

message, which has caused controversy.

58:20

for

58:20

them over the years. This is a belief

58:21

that in order to really love God, you

58:24

have to let Jesus fuck

58:25

you. Don't be stingy?

58:26

don't be thirty If you don't have you

58:28

give that loophole up you got. Let the almighty

58:30

really give you a good pomegranate. No, it's

58:32

not that. Not exactly. But some do

58:35

think of remotes. a weird sexual type relationship with Jesus,

58:37

which is, you know, what causes

58:39

the controversy. According to IHOP in July of

58:41

nineteen eighty eight, Mike Bickel was sitting in his office,

58:43

reading a wedding cart.

58:45

with a

58:45

verse from the song of Solomon. Mike prayed Jesus

58:47

seal my heart with the seal of love.

58:49

He said he then

58:50

began crying as any

58:52

mentally stable

58:52

person would. And then his phone rang,

58:54

Fellow prophet

58:55

then told him that he heard the voice of the Lord, give him a message from Mike, the song, the

58:57

Solomon, dialogue about love, should be the

58:59

focus of the ministry.

59:00

be the focus of the ministry

59:02

Bickel now came to the realization that Christians should see Jesus through the of a

59:04

bride with loyal devoted love. They should

59:06

love and be in love with God.

59:10

developing an intimacy with God and that would help bring about a second

59:12

coming. Bogle Creek Jesus is not coming

59:14

until the people of God are crying

59:16

out globally in intercession with

59:19

a bridal identity. And I This is not on my at all. I should probably keep

59:21

this inside my head. But right when

59:23

I just in the

59:24

context of

59:25

what we just read, when

59:28

I read the sentence, Bickel preached, Jesus

59:30

is not coming. I I

59:32

picture, like,

59:32

he's not going to, like, like, see you

59:35

in. Like, he's not gonna orgasm. until

59:38

the until the people are crying out

59:40

globally. Like, that's what he needs to

59:42

come. Does everyone be like,

59:43

please? We love you so much. He's like,

59:46

ah, yes, finally

59:48

finish. Anyway,

59:49

Bickl has been criticized for this because

59:51

of sexual nature, right, as long

59:53

as solvent. And some don't like that

59:55

there's a sexual to that in their eyes,

59:57

he IHOP Nikola argues that the theology is not

59:59

sexual. Critics say though that even

1:00:02

suggesting sexuality and worship

1:00:04

is wrong. Some

1:00:05

former members argued that the bridegroom message

1:00:07

is sexual according to former members.

1:00:10

Some. IHOP

1:00:10

plays music and cafeteria hallways, the prayer

1:00:12

room, lyrics two popular songs are God is

1:00:14

a lover looking for a lover. So

1:00:16

he fashioned me. Do you

1:00:18

understand what you do to me? How you ravaged

1:00:20

my heart with just one glance? One

1:00:22

former intern said very quickly, there were

1:00:24

sexual

1:00:24

sensual escapades with

1:00:27

god. An instructor told this intern,

1:00:29

god is using his word to

1:00:32

kiss you. And this intern heard stories from other members about

1:00:34

fantasies of orgies with

1:00:36

Jesus. Sex with

1:00:37

God.

1:00:39

Cold. Cold. I mean,

1:00:41

if you if you can get followers to fantasize about having an orgie with Jesus,

1:00:43

I mean, they're they're begging to be fucked by the

1:00:44

co leader. Although that is not what I

1:00:47

think is going on here. iOPKC

1:00:49

responded to questions about bridegroom

1:00:52

paradigms about the bridegroom paradigm, and their

1:00:54

affirmations and denials

1:00:56

webpage same We affirm

1:00:57

that spiritual intimacy with God refers to developing a deep personal

1:00:59

relationship with God to the spirit and the word. In

1:01:01

other words, it is based on a deep understanding and

1:01:03

knowledge of what

1:01:06

Word

1:01:06

of god says about god the father, god the son,

1:01:08

god the only spirit. We deny that

1:01:10

spiritual intimacy is associated with

1:01:12

anything related to human sensuality.

1:01:15

I have Casey also states on their

1:01:18

website that they are committed to works of justice,

1:01:20

which means

1:01:20

they support several charitable organizations,

1:01:23

send out missionaries and have their own internal organizations

1:01:25

for missionary work. Take one sip

1:01:27

of

1:01:28

water here. Excuse

1:01:31

me. In

1:01:32

Kansas City, they've offered food

1:01:33

distribution, street cleanup, clothing and food for

1:01:35

children's outreach, and inner city prayer room

1:01:37

and other programs. prayer room and other programs

1:01:40

The

1:01:40

Children's Justice Initiative serves orphans and at risk children. The Women's

1:01:43

Life Center is a local pregnancy

1:01:44

crisis center. I have KC plans

1:01:46

to provide homes and the restoration programs

1:01:50

for victims of human trafficking domestic violence or sex workers.

1:01:52

I have Casey's affiliated with

1:01:54

a number of other organizations in addition to its

1:01:58

own subsidiaries. all

1:01:58

part of a broader network of

1:01:59

minded evangelicals. A lot of their

1:02:02

content streamed on a website

1:02:03

called god dot

1:02:06

tv. got TVs and evangelical Christian media network

1:02:08

founded in the UK with

1:02:10

offices in Plymouth, England, Orlando, Florida

1:02:14

India, Sri Lanka, South Africa, Kenya, Ghana, and

1:02:16

Australia. Founded by Rory and

1:02:18

Wendy

1:02:18

Alec, nineteen ninety five is

1:02:21

the Christian Channel Europe. UK's

1:02:23

first daily Christian TV network and

1:02:25

then became God channel in nineteen ninety seven

1:02:27

and God TV in two thousand two

1:02:29

and moved their headquarters to Orlando

1:02:31

in two thousand three. and

1:02:32

got to be had been criticized

1:02:34

for

1:02:34

promoting an anti LGBT view, inviting anti

1:02:37

LGBT pastors onto the

1:02:40

shows and I'm not surprised. I mean, movement

1:02:42

is against homosexuality overall believing

1:02:44

it to be sinful. So you could

1:02:46

make this critique of any evangelical

1:02:50

group. that

1:02:50

I'm aware of. Almost at him. I'm sure there's some that

1:02:52

progressively have have changed recently. IFC

1:02:54

provides financial support to many nonprofit organizations,

1:02:56

one of which is exodus cry,

1:03:00

Excess cries

1:03:00

of Christian nonprofit organization seeking to abolish

1:03:02

the legal commercial sex industry, pornography,

1:03:04

strip club sex work, and

1:03:07

legal sex trafficking. And

1:03:10

come on, get the fuck out of here. Get your

1:03:12

rid of porn and strip clubs. Why

1:03:14

even try and do that? Honestly, why

1:03:16

why deny strong and natural sexual impulses?

1:03:18

The biological imperative to fuck, to view others IHOP sexual beings,

1:03:21

at least at the moment, and

1:03:23

enjoy sexuality is way too

1:03:25

strong and natural. for

1:03:28

it to be something you can just dismiss an outlaw. I I really think

1:03:30

it's

1:03:31

delusional think otherwise, an arrogant. I mean, you

1:03:33

might as well try and ban

1:03:36

fucking breathing. And to

1:03:37

demonize, it will only lead to more

1:03:39

subversive forms of sexuality, in my opinion. Look

1:03:41

to the Catholic churches, long and

1:03:44

ongoing history with channelization is a good example

1:03:46

of what happens when you overly demonized normal expressions of

1:03:48

sexuality. IHOPKC organized

1:03:50

the annual one thing conference at the Can

1:03:53

City Convention Center in two thousand ten, more than twenty five

1:03:55

thousand people attended. Conference, that's a

1:03:57

fucking lot of people. The conference focus is on worship

1:03:59

with sermons, on Evangelos, you

1:04:02

know, Evangelos, Hermann. and

1:04:05

es eschatology. And what

1:04:06

is the real focus of all the

1:04:08

worship and sermons? Well, the course to bring about

1:04:10

the end times. iHOP has its

1:04:12

own staff training center, which only makes

1:04:14

sense. International House of

1:04:16

Praer University is a bible college located in

1:04:19

Grand View, Missouri. iHOPU

1:04:20

includes the Four Runner Music Academy, which trains singers and musicians

1:04:22

in the harp and bowl model. The

1:04:24

Four Runner Media Institute trains people

1:04:26

to present Christian messages throughout modern

1:04:30

media. IHOPU

1:04:30

offers three to six month long internships. Different

1:04:33

age groups can participate

1:04:34

in the internships. Interns participate in

1:04:38

prayer meetings, classroom instruction, ministry experience,

1:04:40

quote, intimacy with Jesus,

1:04:42

the return of Jesus, and cultivating

1:04:44

a lifestyle of prayer.

1:04:46

And I

1:04:47

get some of the wording. I know what they're saying, but from a

1:04:49

marketing point of view, intimacy

1:04:51

with Jesus sounds

1:04:54

fucking creepy. Alright.

1:04:56

Alright. Class. Let's begin our lesson for today. Everyone take

1:04:59

out their anatomically correct Jesusaws. Today,

1:05:01

we're gonna focus on

1:05:04

prostate massage. become a little more

1:05:06

intimate.

1:05:06

These are

1:05:07

five there are five internship

1:05:10

options. Fire in the night. Fire

1:05:12

in the night. internship

1:05:14

joined tonight watch, the prayer watch of

1:05:16

a company of people who pray and worship the Lord

1:05:18

from midnight to six AM in the global prayer

1:05:20

room. say we believe the night belongs to

1:05:22

Lord Fire and The Night in turns cry out in

1:05:24

prayer for justice and revival to break

1:05:26

in on the Earth.

1:05:28

Firelight,

1:05:29

three month long internship. Residential or nonresidential for

1:05:31

eighteen to twenty five year

1:05:33

olds dating prohibited. Non

1:05:37

residential interns can be age twenty

1:05:39

six or older. Married

1:05:40

couples eighteen or older can participate.

1:05:43

And it costs thirty three thousand

1:05:45

two hundred and seventy five dollars

1:05:47

to to do

1:05:49

this for tracks one and two residential.

1:05:51

And if you don't have to live there, it's thirteen

1:05:53

hundred dollars or twelve hundred dollars. Intro

1:05:55

to IHOP KC internships. The

1:05:58

intro is a full time internship program that

1:05:59

encourages individuals into a lifetime of prayer

1:06:02

and friendship with Jesus. program designed

1:06:04

as a time of consecration,

1:06:06

encounter, and missions through prayer.

1:06:08

Many have rebuilt spiritual foundation to this program

1:06:10

through a season of encounter

1:06:12

and equipping for a deeper

1:06:14

life and prayer and confidence in the love of

1:06:16

God. And then it says, we

1:06:18

welcome

1:06:18

single and married applicants of all ages.

1:06:20

I think the word friendship. Right? I don't just worship

1:06:22

friends.

1:06:22

Jesus. He's also my

1:06:24

buddy. We're friends. We shoot hoops

1:06:26

together. We talk

1:06:27

about dating struggles.

1:06:29

Little Call of Duty

1:06:29

sometimes. He's he's very good since he can

1:06:31

just resurrect himself whenever he takes a kill

1:06:34

shot. All ages can

1:06:35

participate in this three month internship

1:06:37

if he successfully completed. you can

1:06:39

apply to join the four week IHOP

1:06:41

KC staff entry program or

1:06:44

IHOPU. This

1:06:44

cost thirteen fifty plus two fifty

1:06:46

dollar administrative fee. There's the

1:06:48

one thing internship,

1:06:50

which is a six month program where young

1:06:52

adults can seek to load together in the context

1:06:54

of a like minded community. Tent

1:06:56

a place of this internship is twenty four seven room. Internships will also

1:06:58

spend time in classes, serving various capacities

1:07:00

around the mission space, participate in

1:07:03

small groups, receive discipleship, etcetera,

1:07:05

etcetera. Singles eight eighteen to

1:07:08

twenty five can participate. No

1:07:10

dating. Nuh-uh. Guys, focus

1:07:12

on

1:07:12

your Jesus

1:07:14

pride. Interim

1:07:14

to compete complete the internship can apply to join the staff or I

1:07:16

IHOP you, cost six thousand or sixty

1:07:19

two fifty for international

1:07:22

interns. There's the

1:07:24

Simeon Company internship. Whether you've spent

1:07:26

most of your life in the workplace ministry of the

1:07:28

home, the Simeon Company is for fifty

1:07:30

and overs. married or single who desire to give themselves

1:07:33

more fully to prayer, to worship

1:07:35

the ministry worship and

1:07:37

the ministry of the holy spirit.

1:07:39

Simeon interns engage with young adults and minister

1:07:41

in our spiritual family. Our goal is to

1:07:43

see each intern filled with passion for Jesus and

1:07:45

turning toward the younger generation.

1:07:47

as a spiritual father and mother. We believe that unity and

1:07:50

ministry between generations is part of God's glory and

1:07:52

plan for the church. This

1:07:54

internship,

1:07:54

internship

1:07:55

thirteen fifty. Start to

1:07:57

feel like, scientifically. Right? You just gotta

1:07:59

pay for

1:07:59

more and more spiritual knowledge.

1:08:02

It's a

1:08:02

very similar business model in some ways.

1:08:04

There's the Hope City over detail. I think

1:08:07

you get it. Right? This

1:08:08

one is about like a lot of

1:08:10

like outreach. It's three

1:08:12

months. You

1:08:14

can, you know, like, help feed the poor. Do things like

1:08:16

that.

1:08:16

You still have to

1:08:18

pay though? Fifty hundred dollars? If

1:08:21

you'd like to attend one of these

1:08:23

schools, you know, yeah, it's gonna set you back a a few thousand each semester. There's the

1:08:26

four runner school of

1:08:28

ministry. This

1:08:31

one to become AAA minister

1:08:33

in the I have KC kind of style,

1:08:35

about three thousand dollars per semester,

1:08:37

if you live in on campus, about two

1:08:39

thousand, if you're doing online, and there's a whole bunch

1:08:41

more. I'm not gonna just too much

1:08:43

of a a long list, but

1:08:46

it's just class after class, you

1:08:48

know, programming program. In two thousand eleven, some

1:08:50

former IOPU students told the New York Times that they were expelled for questioning techniques

1:08:53

about mystical

1:08:56

healing proxies angels and demons and

1:08:58

some of these classes. Do not question our authority. According

1:09:00

to Katherine Boehler from Duke University

1:09:02

of divinity school, I have KC

1:09:05

important example of the proliferating non

1:09:07

denominational charismatic churches. These new churches are fast

1:09:10

growing branch

1:09:10

Christianity that attract young people and old

1:09:13

staff and students required to spend twenty five

1:09:15

hours week the room required for four hours or

1:09:20

more. Some students complain

1:09:21

about sensory overload and isolation, not be able to think for themselves. Some

1:09:23

group leaders allegedly encourage students to avoid contact

1:09:26

with parents who are skeptical of the

1:09:28

church And

1:09:30

if true, cult. cult. Culp. Culp. Stephanie Gerard

1:09:33

spoke to the times and said

1:09:34

she was asked to leave in two thousand

1:09:37

nine because she started questioning her teacher,

1:09:38

about

1:09:39

their fascination with signs and wonders. Now Mike

1:09:41

Bickel publicly denies this and

1:09:43

other claims saying, I always tell people

1:09:45

to think for themselves. And remember

1:09:46

that their family is their first loyalty, not

1:09:48

the ministry. Right? So many

1:09:50

former members have stated though

1:09:52

that this is not the message that

1:09:55

has trickled down to them through the various

1:09:57

people that Mike has hired. Now let's get into what I think is the

1:09:59

most troubling aspect of I have KC. I have

1:09:59

KC preaches that any

1:10:02

believer can have prophetic experiences.

1:10:06

several church leaders including

1:10:08

Bickle. I've

1:10:08

claimed to have prophetic experiences. Right? These

1:10:10

experiences have come to make up the

1:10:13

church's prophetic history. And

1:10:14

this belief that anyone can suddenly receive a

1:10:16

vision from God has already led to

1:10:19

some weird troubling as I'll soon go

1:10:21

over in a portion of the timeline. and

1:10:23

it will inevitably lead to more weird shit.

1:10:25

Over the past twenty five years according

1:10:27

to their website, IHOP members

1:10:29

have received twenty five

1:10:31

important prophetic experiences. that

1:10:32

knows how many unimportant ones. About the future of Kansas City,

1:10:34

the US, and the world. These mainly happened in the nineteen seventies and eighties, people

1:10:36

claim to see God, hear

1:10:39

his voice, seen angel, or

1:10:41

had prophetic dreams. Now all part of the prophetic

1:10:43

history of the church. Bickles' end time theology

1:10:47

available on DVD is also

1:10:49

called the prophetic history. Ten hours of stories about supernatural visions,

1:10:51

experiences, and prophetic words given to Mike Bickel from

1:10:53

a number of prophets back in the

1:10:56

nineteen eighties.

1:10:58

And I have

1:10:58

few students are made to familiarize themselves

1:11:01

with these prophecies. I

1:11:03

have Casey

1:11:04

explains prophecy in the affirmations and denials

1:11:06

page saying we affirm that the Bible is

1:11:08

the inherent and sole objective source of direction and wisdom

1:11:10

for the life of a believer. We believe in the operation of

1:11:12

the prophetic

1:11:13

ministry as a source

1:11:16

of edification. exportation and comfort

1:11:18

from the Lord. We believe that the subjectivity of the prophetic ministry must

1:11:19

be vigorously tested against the inspired

1:11:21

and infallible scriptures that God

1:11:24

gave for doctrine

1:11:26

reproof correction and instruction in righteousness.

1:11:28

We deny this objective prophetic experiences are

1:11:31

equal to the inspired word of

1:11:33

God. In other words, All personal prophecy

1:11:35

must uphold and honor the scripture. We

1:11:37

urge people to avoid giving others

1:11:39

prophetic direction in the domestic areas of

1:11:41

their life. This

1:11:42

includes issues related to spousal designation, bearing

1:11:44

children, changing jobs, moving, buying

1:11:47

or selling a house, or

1:11:49

other things, leaving one church

1:11:51

for another, etcetera. We

1:11:52

may give godly counsel to one

1:11:54

another in domestic areas without

1:11:55

presenting it as prophecy. Personal prophecy should be

1:11:58

given with others

1:12:00

as We

1:12:00

request the prophecies be recorded when possible. Some

1:12:02

people have an over reliance on

1:12:03

dreams for direction of domestic lives. Dodd

1:12:05

never intended to direct

1:12:06

people mostly by dreams. Yes,

1:12:09

God does use dreams. Give some direction. However, dreams are not to be a substitute for

1:12:11

gaining wisdom from Some people rely on dreams for

1:12:13

decisions because it absolves them from

1:12:15

responsibility lacking wisdom decision

1:12:19

turned out to be wrong. Sounds like they've had a lot of trouble

1:12:21

with fucking dreams. And how weird is all

1:12:23

this? Right? Like,

1:12:24

we believe that one

1:12:26

can hear from God directly they can

1:12:28

receive the gift of prophecy. God can share messages directly

1:12:30

with you. These these are coming from God. However,

1:12:33

did you come does however If

1:12:35

God say it tells you to tell your neighbor how to live

1:12:37

their life with them, you need to tell God's

1:12:39

shush fuck up. You

1:12:41

need to ignore God. Likewise, if God

1:12:43

says something that doesn't line up with our interpretation of other

1:12:45

shit God has said a long time ago written down by

1:12:47

men largely who didn't hear

1:12:49

from God themselves directly, but only receive news, of God's

1:12:51

word decades after the fact, they would need you to

1:12:53

do to again, ignore the direct word of

1:12:55

God. You might not even be talking

1:12:57

to God in that case. If you receive a prophecy that

1:12:59

lines up with our prophecies and what

1:13:01

we believe to be God's word, cool.

1:13:04

That's God. If

1:13:06

you receive a prophecy that says anything different, well,

1:13:08

hang up the prophecy phone. You're on the line

1:13:10

with the demon. It just seems like this is

1:13:12

just a very messy way to go about things.

1:13:15

former member, Blaise

1:13:17

for a,

1:13:19

stated that he

1:13:20

left IHOP largely over some of these

1:13:22

proxy issues. And to be fair, There

1:13:25

are many out there who do not

1:13:27

think foray is credible to tractor. They think he was a power hungry member of

1:13:29

IHOP

1:13:29

KC who actually wanted to start

1:13:31

his own cult.

1:13:35

That being said, his detractions do, as laid out

1:13:37

here, make sense to me and go

1:13:39

along with others who have left

1:13:41

the organization with what they have said.

1:13:43

not that

1:13:43

he's telling the truth. Foray was a member from two

1:13:45

thousand eight to two thousand thirteen. As years passed,

1:13:47

he learned that the prophetic

1:13:50

history would be continually amended. to

1:13:52

explain

1:13:52

why some of the prior predictions didn't come

1:13:54

true. And that doesn't shock me if that's true. I've

1:13:57

really been down this

1:13:59

road before

1:13:59

many times. No,

1:14:01

not not not that long ago the

1:14:03

Jehovah's Witnesses. Right? Fact. God tells you when the world is gonna end. Also,

1:14:04

fact, God

1:14:07

j k's you. and then tells

1:14:09

you later why you fed you some bullshit the first time.

1:14:11

Four a set. As an incoming staff member,

1:14:12

I was required

1:14:13

to

1:14:14

listen to and understand this

1:14:16

PH. perfect

1:14:18

history. This was exciting to me

1:14:20

because the stories were powerful and profound. These prophetic

1:14:22

words supposedly were given to confirm that Mike

1:14:24

Bickel was to start IHOP KC. Every

1:14:26

internal staff member that comes to IRKC is required

1:14:28

to listen to and study the PH.

1:14:30

The PH is the foundation of the

1:14:33

IHOP movement itself without its

1:14:35

without this history. IHOP KC would not exist. The PH

1:14:37

was brought up in almost every staff meeting and every group meeting that

1:14:40

I was a part

1:14:42

of while at IHOP

1:14:44

KC. leads

1:14:44

to bring up stories from the PH, then cherry pick

1:14:46

bible verses that seem to back up and validate these stories and convince the

1:14:49

members that the movement

1:14:51

in the PH was entirely in line with

1:14:53

biblical teaching. I later learned that this p h that

1:14:55

I spent years of my life learning

1:14:59

and teaching had been amended little by little over twenty five years time to explain

1:15:01

a way why some of the

1:15:03

earlier prophetic words and predictions

1:15:05

from the pH did not

1:15:07

come to pass. I've heard stories of

1:15:09

young people who felt like they have missed God's pant plan because they left IHOP

1:15:11

KC instead of staying on as a

1:15:14

staff member to help see the pH

1:15:16

fulfilled. I've

1:15:18

also heard stories of young people who felt that they weren't supposed to

1:15:20

go to college because often when the pH was

1:15:22

spoken up, it was shared along with

1:15:25

quotes like this. We are at the end of the

1:15:27

age. Jesus is returning. You can go to college

1:15:29

and get a piece of paper or you can

1:15:32

spend your life in prayer and get a

1:15:34

degree from heaven. talked about it before, so I won't beat a

1:15:36

dead horse too much now. But my dad,

1:15:38

real dad, not my suck first serial

1:15:40

killer version of dad,

1:15:43

would get so pissed hearing this if you listen

1:15:45

to the show. He didn't go to college for the same reason. Neither did

1:15:47

any of his five brothers. Why get a degree if

1:15:49

the world is definitely gonna end in

1:15:51

a few years? why start up fucking

1:15:53

IRA? Why have much of a savings account? It's a terrible lie to sell to

1:15:56

people.

1:15:56

You know, because

1:15:59

in

1:15:59

in

1:15:59

this situation, this is what's

1:16:02

happening. Michael is gonna be fine if the world doesn't end in a couple years. He's worth millions. about

1:16:04

followers of his who have dedicated

1:16:06

themselves to

1:16:07

a teaching at the expense

1:16:10

of their financial future. They're not

1:16:12

gonna be fine. And also, this

1:16:14

rev revising church history

1:16:17

if this has occurred here, it

1:16:19

definitely has

1:16:19

occurred in similar ways with

1:16:22

other groups like Jehovah's Witnesses,

1:16:24

where there's documentation of it,

1:16:26

where there are old books that people had, you know,

1:16:28

from decades and decades ago where

1:16:30

there are these, you know, prophecies

1:16:34

that newer books part of the core theology of the job as

1:16:36

witnesses now act like their previous

1:16:38

books were never written. Like,

1:16:41

these

1:16:41

property just never occurred. There's white wash

1:16:43

it. you know, the with some of their earlier teachings, where

1:16:45

they have revised things to get some of

1:16:47

the uglier aspects

1:16:50

of teachings from nineteenth century,

1:16:52

early twentieth century, and just erase them. So this would not

1:16:54

be unique if this group is doing it. Foray

1:16:59

continues go college, but most go to college end up falling away from the

1:17:01

faith and denying Jesus this is a terrible

1:17:04

motivational speech. sets

1:17:07

young

1:17:07

people up for failure, either giving them an expectation that

1:17:09

they can't be a Christian Wall in college or

1:17:11

giving them false hope that

1:17:13

Jesus will return quicker. if they would just stay and pray full time

1:17:15

with the House of prayer and Casey. It steals real dreams

1:17:17

and real hopes from the hearts of talented

1:17:19

and vulnerable young people who

1:17:22

were created to learn, grow, and

1:17:24

impact society in positive ways. Right? Well said, if

1:17:26

again, if this this allegation is

1:17:27

true, well said,

1:17:31

Parey said that IHOPKC recruits young people

1:17:33

who are Zealous for God and

1:17:35

brainwashes

1:17:35

him. He said Mike constantly thought that

1:17:37

our prayers for justice would bring Jesus back

1:17:39

to the Earth. And upon

1:17:41

his return, he would proceed to kill

1:17:44

and destroy multitudes of unbelievers. Quote, Jesus

1:17:46

will personally kill multitudes of people at his

1:17:48

return. their blood will be

1:17:50

on his garments from slaying them. Mike would say, according to Fairey, this with great confidence.

1:17:52

Why

1:17:55

the

1:17:56

fuck? and they keep

1:17:58

hammering this killer Christ message. That is so fucking dark.

1:17:59

children dark of

1:18:01

God.

1:18:02

Pra for Christ

1:18:04

return. pray

1:18:05

that Christ will bring his sword of justice and slay those

1:18:07

starving kids in India who you sometimes see an starving to death and

1:18:10

need your donations to live.

1:18:14

Pravey that Kilo Christ beheads Tom Cruise and

1:18:16

all hisscientologist buddies. Pravey that Kilo

1:18:18

Christ runs Morgan Freeman right up to

1:18:21

the hilt. Damn him and Brad Pitt

1:18:23

and Keur Knightly and Jody Foster and Billy

1:18:25

Joel and Kevin Bacon and other Hollywood hustlers

1:18:27

who do not believe

1:18:29

That's a

1:18:29

very disturbing drum to beat. When Ferre started looking at theologies that

1:18:31

differed from IHOP, he and

1:18:33

his friends were subjected to a

1:18:35

seven hour interrogation set. that

1:18:39

if you find yourself in a ministry situation with spiritual leaders who ask you

1:18:41

not to listen to other teachers outside of

1:18:43

their organization and don't allow

1:18:46

for a difference in theological views

1:18:48

and run their entire ministry of church based

1:18:50

off of highly subjective prophetic words, I would encourage you to take a deeper look into

1:18:52

the ministry or better yet find

1:18:54

a different place to plant yourself.

1:18:58

Alright.

1:18:59

all right All

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1:19:02

cover the history of Mike Bickel and the founding

1:19:04

of IHOP its controversies IHOP's prophetic history

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Michael

1:24:47

Leroy Bickel. Born in

1:24:49

Kansas City, Kansas, July seventeenth nineteen fifty five. Grew up

1:24:51

in the Marlborough neighborhood near eightieth in

1:24:56

Paseo. His dad was a professional boxer or

1:24:58

a champion boxer according to what some of his Facebook posts have said. I can only assume his

1:25:01

dad

1:25:01

was Robert

1:25:04

Bobby Bickel. who died in nineteen seventy four

1:25:06

in Kansas City at the age of forty five, competed in the nineteen fifty two Summer Olympics,

1:25:08

IHOP turned pro in October of nineteen

1:25:10

fifty

1:25:10

two, won his first seventeen fights,

1:25:14

Fond as a pro through October of nineteen fifty eight,

1:25:16

finished with a career record of forty

1:25:18

wins, eleven losses, and two draws.

1:25:21

In March nineteen fifty seven, Bickel knocked

1:25:23

out Terry Lloyd. in fifth win Kansas lightweight championship. Never

1:25:25

fought for a major title.

1:25:27

Sources

1:25:27

do not

1:25:29

equate Robert to being Mike's dad. But come on.

1:25:31

How many fucking boxers from Kansas City could there have been with

1:25:33

the last name of Bickel who also aged out

1:25:35

correctly to have been

1:25:37

Mike's dad? Not sure what Robert did in

1:25:39

addition to boxing to pay the bills. Mike's

1:25:41

mom worked in the home. He

1:25:43

had six siblings. Right.

1:25:44

Seven kids. So Robert must have

1:25:46

done something. other than sometimes kind of box to keep lights on,

1:25:48

especially since he was done with a

1:25:50

moderately successful career in boxing by

1:25:53

the time Mike was three. Biggles did not attend church.

1:25:55

Young Mike said that he'd often looked at the stars

1:25:58

at night as a kid. Wonder if God was

1:25:59

real. is real Mike didn't become

1:26:01

a Christian till he was fifteen. His football coach paid for him to

1:26:03

tend to a a fellowship of Christian athlete student

1:26:06

conference in Estee's Park, Colorado.

1:26:08

He listened to Dallas

1:26:11

Cowboys quarterback Roger Stalbach. speak there

1:26:13

about his relationship with Jesus, and that's when Mike decided to become a

1:26:15

Christian. So he knelt in grassy Colorado field and pray God if this

1:26:18

is real, I want

1:26:20

it. Nickel attended center high

1:26:22

school in Kansas City, carried around a large Catholic bible, wore a nine inch wooden cross around his neck,

1:26:24