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In the second half of the 20th century,

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California not only seemed home to America's highest

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concentration of cults, but also to

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most of the nation's serial killers. We've

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already covered so many of them here. Randy,

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the scorecard killer Kraft, Richard,

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the Night Stalker Ramirez, Ed,

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the coed killer Kemper, MOTHER! Lonnie

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David Franklin Jr., aka the

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Grim Sleeper, the freeway killer William Bonin

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old Billy Gutter Balls, the Golden State

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Killer Joseph James D'Angelo, the dating

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game killer Rodney Alcala and many, many

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others. One lesser known Southern

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California serial killer, with a higher victim count

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than many of the monsters I just mentioned,

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was a man whose names most of you are probably

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unfamiliar with, William Lester Suff.

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Suff targeted women in and around the

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Southern California cities of Riverside and Lake

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Elzenor. Investigators believe he started

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killing women in 1986, not

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too long after serving almost ten years in prison

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in Texas for a murder over there. Earlier

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his arrest in January of 1992, Suff was

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connected to nineteen murders. Some

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suspect that the number could

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be much higher. Many

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believe that Suff is virtually unknown due to

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his victim demographic. Local

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sex workers, many of whom, had criminal records

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and were struggling with addiction. Bill

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picked up these vulnerable women in his van

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and murdered them soon afterwards. In

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several cases, he remained at the crime scene to mutilate

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his victims. By cutting their breasts

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off, posing them in sexual positions, always

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making sure to expose needle marks on their

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inner arms, others replacing dumpster enclosures

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as if the killer were telling the police exactly

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what he thought of these women. To

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most, for the entirety of his murder spree,

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Bill Suff seemed like a normal guy. He

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worked for Riverside County as a stock clerk, helpfully

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delivered office supplies to law enforcement

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members of the very task force

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created to catch him. Sociopaths

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can truly hide their real natures from

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just about anybody. Behind

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the mask of a sweet kind man was the

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real Bill, a violent predator who

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harbored a hatred of sex workers, hatred

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of women in general, and a really a man

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who is incredibly abusive to his wives and his own

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children. Today we'll discuss life and

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crimes of Mr. Suf, a man filled with

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an incredible amount of rage, rage that only

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his victims, children, or those unlucky enough to

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date or marry him ever saw on

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announcements today. How about them apples? Uh,

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ready to hear about a real, real naughty boy. And

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I'm not just talking about some guys who just won't

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go pee pee on a potty. Like a good boy.

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This guy's a true fucking monster. Seems

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like something snapped in this dude during his

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teen years and he just

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kept getting worse and worse and worse until they

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finally pulled him away for good. Let's

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meet him. Here's

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how we're breaking down the sad, scary story of

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the riverside killer today, very much a

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forgotten killer from the late eighties and

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early nineties. Despite committing crimes, just as savage

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as much more notorious murders. I'll

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start off with a brief overview of riverside

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County, the central location of today's story, followed

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by a full timeline of William stuff's life

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and crimes, including the investigation that led to

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his arrest and the trial that followed also

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quick heads up. If randomly you

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love to feast on a bowl of chili,

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some hot chili while you listen

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to time sucks, you might want to skip your

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chili routine today. That'll make sense

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before. this is all over. So

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where is Riverside County? Riverside

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County is actually located in hell.

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It's literally one of the worst places to live on earth. If

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not the very worst place, at least if

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you're a light worker like myself. With the

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current population of roughly 2.5 million people,

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over 2.4 million of them are

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confirmed as state level three or

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higher demon zombies. The highest

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concentration of demonic zombies in the US

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and possibly the world. Not

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all of the world's countries are taking

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Chad Daybells very important true warnings regarding

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demon zombie infestation seriously. So unfortunately we

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don't have like you know demon zombie

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census data from all the places we

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should. And so there's a small chance some

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other place you know could be worse. By

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doubt. Based on current demon

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zombie numbers Riverside makes Sodom and Gomorrah looks

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like Jerusalem and Bethlehem. There's actually

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a popular saying regarding all of

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this in Riverside. Throw an

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orange in any direction and a demon is bound

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to catch it and they'll never give it back.

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And now you have one less orange than you

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had before you threw it and that's not like

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the worst thing ever but it's still kind of

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a bummer if you really think about it because

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that might be the tastiest orange you were ever

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gonna have. Now for the rest of your life

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every time you eat another tasty orange you're probably

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gonna think yes orange is tasty but I wonder

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if it's as tasty as the one I accidentally

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threw that stupid demon to Riverside. I

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didn't say it was a good thing. It's just a popular one.

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Riverside is also known for having a lot of really

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bad too long why couldn't someone have edited that down

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a bit. Sains. And I'm

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of course about a bunch of nonsense. A

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bunch of gibberish. Riverside County is located in

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southern California east of Anaheim with

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a current population of about 2.5 million people. That

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part was true. It is the

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fourth most populated county in California the

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10th most populated county in the US despite

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the eastern half of the county being

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pretty sparsely populated with most

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of the mystical Joshua Tree National Park falling

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inside the county lines. Riverside

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County is part of an area known

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as southern California's inland empire defined

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as a metropolitan area. polypen area or region inland

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of an adjacent to coastal

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Southern California. The county

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spans from the east end of the greater Los Angeles

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area all the way to the Arizona border, Coachella

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of music festival fame and

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Palm Springs of Gulf Spa

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Resort and mid-century modern architecture

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fame located in the

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Coachella Valley region of Riverside County. This

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county seat is the city of Riverside, 12th

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most populous city in California, 59th

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most populous city in the US with approximately 315,000

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residents. Riverside also a principal city

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in the nation's 13th largest metropolitan

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statistical area. The Riverside

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San Bernardino Ontario MSA with

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a population of almost exactly 4.6 million people

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as of the last census ranking just ahead

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of Detroit, Michigan and just behind San Francisco.

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Their MSA's city is named for

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its location beside the Santa Ana River and the county

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is named after the city. The

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county's European origins date back to the

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very end of the 18th century when

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Spaniards first established the Mission San Luis

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Rey de Francia at an indigenous village

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in Tomesco June 12th 1798. Current church

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built in 1815 the third church built

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at that location. After the signing

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of the Treaty of Cordoba in 1821 Mexico gained

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independence from Spain a little over

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a decade later after the Mexican government

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passed the Mexican secularization act of 1833

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California officials

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were desecularized and became government

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property and then a series

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of land grants were issued throughout California.

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Several massive ranches were established in Riverside County in the late

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1830s 1840s. They no longer their town

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of La Placita founded in modern-day

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North Riverside in 1843. It was the first real

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Mexican town of the area and for

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a few years the largest colonial settlement

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between LA and New Mexico. In

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1848 the US took over California winning

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it in the Mexican-American War. California's

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first 27 counties established in 1850

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same year California became became a state, Riverside

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not amongst them, originally being part of

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both LA and San Diego counties, later

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being part of San Bernardino and San Diego

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counties. California's 18th Governor,

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Henry Markham, signed a measure to create

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Riverside County, March 11th, 1893,

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established with land from both San Bernardino and

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San Diego counties, and the county

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has expanded a bit since its initial creation. 57

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years after its inception in 1950,

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when Bill the Riverside Killer's self was born, the

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county looks a lot different than it does today. Population

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only around 170,000. County

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population would not surpass a million people until 1990. Thanks

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to so many less people, the area still

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looked a lot like a bunch of different towns

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and cities with orange groves inside them and

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in between them, as opposed

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to the western half of the county

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today being best categorized as miles and

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miles of congested urban sprawl. Miles

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and miles of a steady rotation of residential

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areas and commercial areas and industrial areas,

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one city blending largely, indistinguishably

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into the next. Speaking

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of orange groves, Riverside County historically

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probably most famous for being the

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center of California's orange-based massive agricultural

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boom of the late 19th and

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early 20th centuries. Riverside

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the city now has 24 nationally registered

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historic sites, more than 100 city landmarks

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that commemorate the city's citrus industry history.

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In 1873, the US Department of Agriculture

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forever changed the history of Southern California

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when William Saunders, a horticulturalist

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for the department, sent two small

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Brazilian naval orange trees to

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friend and Riverside resident, Eliza

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Tibbetts, trying to seduce

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her with some sweet, sweet fruit. Those

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trees grown in ideal soil and weather

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conditions produced an especially sweet and flavorful

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winter harvest fruit. In

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less than a decade, by 1882, there

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were more than half a million citrus trees in California,

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and almost half of those were in the area

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around Riverside. The development of

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refrigerated railroad cards, more modern irrigation

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systems, made Riverside the richest city

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in all of America in

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terms of per capita income by 1895. It

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was an amazing place to live. Ideal weather,

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beautiful mountainous desert topography, some big

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lakes, flowing rivers, lots of fresh

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fruit, a lot of good jobs to go

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around for a lot of people. Four decades

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later in 1939, the city was still a prominent

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place to live. The first screening of

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Gone with the Wind took place at the

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Riverside Fox Theater, one of the nicest, most opulent theaters

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on the west coast at that time. Today,

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still looked at as a nice place to live

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by many, but not as opulent. No

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longer a real prominent city. When I

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lived in Santa Monica, talks of Riverside, you

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know, usually framed as being shithole. I

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don't think it actually is. Some LA snobbery going on

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there for sure, but definitely no longer considered like, you

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know, a place where the cool kids are living. Looked

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at more as a place where, you know, you can live

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if you want to be able to actually buy a house,

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with a yard, for the kids, if you can't afford to

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do that in the LA area. Western

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half of the county, where today's story largely takes

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place, now largely associated

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with Southern California traffic. A lot

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of people commuting west for work, and

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also poor air quality due to high levels of

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air pollution. So much smog, actually one of the

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worst counties in all of America, as

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rated by the American Lung Association in 2020. It's

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a very racially mixed area. About

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half the residents of Riverside, the city,

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for example, identifies Hispanic, with 80% of

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those residents identifying as Mexican

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or Mexican-American, according to 2010 census data.

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About 7% identify as Black, another

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7% Asian, over half identify as

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white, with some of those residents also

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identifying as Hispanic. Today's

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story takes place largely in two cities in Riverside

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County, Lake Elsinore and

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Riverside. The city of Lake

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Elsinore, first established in 1888. The main

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feature of the city is the lake it's

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named after, largest natural lake in Southern California.

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About 3,000 acres full of large

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mouth bass, channel catfish, bluegill,

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crappie, few rainbow trout, and other types

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of panda. and fish. Lake Elsinore

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started off as a little resort lake town, but steadily grew

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into a city of 70,000 residents

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roughly today. Back in 1950, when

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South was born, just over 2,000 people

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live there. And the city of Riverside, back when Bill was born

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in 1950, had only about

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47,000 people. So the whole area,

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way more rural than today. Lots

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of orange groves, good places to

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hide bodies, still inside the city

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limits. Poverty rate in Riverside,

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12.9% compared

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to a national average of 12.4%. 2019 per capita income rate,

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$43,072, compared to

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a national average of $56,490. So no more poverty on average than the

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rest of the nation, but

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also not as many affluent people on

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average as the rest of the country. Very

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middle class. Riverside, not

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a hub, not a major hub for a

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bunch of huge employers for some big economic

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sector like big tech, pharmaceuticals or

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something. Seems like it was also

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very middle class when Bill grew up in the area. And

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again, still very middle class when he went on

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his murder spree many years later. Crime-wise,

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sources were all over the place

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when it comes to comparing Riverside crime rates with

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the overall national rates. In

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general, it seems like Riverside County has a slightly

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higher rate of violent crime than the national average,

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quite a bit more property crime than

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the national average, but also quite a few less

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murders than the national average. Bill

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Suff would do his best to boost those stats

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in 1989, 1990 and 1991. And

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then just a tiny bit more now about the

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Riverside area before jumping into Billy Boy's timeline. Journalist

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David Lore, who wrote about Bill's crimes, had this

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to say about him or about the county,

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Riverside is a burgeoning urban sprawl,

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which boasts a UC campus, Mount

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Rubido and a county population growth

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unmatched in any nearby region. Those

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who have traveled through the area often compare the

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trek towards the industrial area to that of the

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entrance to Dante seven levels of health. A

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thick veil of smog rests over the district and the

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permeating smell which emanates the area. from many

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of the local factories is something most visitors

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care not to describe. So,

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I guess my hell description,

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earlier not that far off. At

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least not according to David Lohr's assessment of the

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area. I'm guessing he lives in the LA

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area. Again, I don't think it's that bad at all. I think it's

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actually a pretty nice place. So

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why have you, unless you are a major true crime

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fan who likes exploring lesser known killers, likely

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never heard of Bill Suff? Well,

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like a lot of serial killers who only target sex workers,

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his crimes, they didn't really make waves. For

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him, they didn't really make waves in Riverside when

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they were happening. Back when Billy

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was killing, because of who he targeted, the

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overall population didn't seem all

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that bothered about the murders. Not

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a surplus of empathy back

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in Riverside in the late 80s and early 90s. The

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area sadly reflected a lot of the nation's collective

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attitude towards sex workers at the time. They

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were terribly immoral women who, you know, if they didn't

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want to get murdered, well, they should

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have had the decency to not sell their ass on

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the street. And if they, you know, chose to do

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that, well, then I guess they

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deserved whatever terrible consequences awaited them. That really was

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the attitude. Sex workers

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were seen as subhuman in

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a lot of places. Definitely seems like

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they were viewed that way in Riverside. A

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blight upon the moral fabric of the area,

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a disease that needed treatment. And, you know,

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one way to treat it was to remove it.

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One restaurateur, Pat

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Lovett, owner of Granny's Kitchen – it

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was a downtown restaurant in Riverside at the time – interviewed

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by a reporter for the LA Times for an article that came

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out on February 8, 1991, said, if

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it were a bunch of housewives getting

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killed, or little kids, then

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everyone would be running around with a gun like

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vigilantes. But if it's prostitutes, people

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figure it's no concern of theirs. You know,

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it's just sex workers, so, you know, fuck them. If

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they didn't want to die, well, they should have just

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went back to school and made some of themselves, right?

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They're not my daughters, sisters or moms, so why

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should I care? Same

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article. The sentiment echoed. by an unnamed

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clerk at Elsinore office products. When

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asked if she was worried about the murders and informed

16:05

of the new killing, she said, there was

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another one? I'm not real concerned. It's

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not the kind of people I have anything to do with. So I

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really haven't given him much thought. Jesus.

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And then one more for this article, the worst one.

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A real estate agent who declined to give

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their name because I'm guessing, you know, they

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knew, they were being a huge piece of shit

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when they said this, they noted that the

16:25

murders might scare away a few buyers or who

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knows, maybe you'd make the area even more appealing.

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Might be a good thing. He or she said,

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but probably he. It's

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not like we have a Hillside Strangler here. We have a

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health nut. He's just cleaning up the

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town a little. Jesus

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Christ. He actually fucking said that in

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the newspaper. Ah, look at

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that. It's a killer. I see him as a health nut.

16:48

Just cleaning up the streets a little bit, right? He's not killing

16:50

people. He's killing sex workers. That's

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the kind of comment I would feel like a killer would read

16:56

and use it as fuel to commit more

16:58

killings, right? I'm doing a good thing. Just

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cleaning up the streets. What, why

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are they trying to arrest me? I should be giving a

17:05

fucking medal. Key to the city, throwing a parade. Billsoft

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knew that the majority of people living in

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and around Riverside held real negative feelings about

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sex workers. He spoke often during

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his killing spree about how terrible they were. And

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I bet he almost found a real receptive audience, you

17:21

know, for common teammate. Now

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let's meet the man known as the

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Riverside Killer or the Riverside Prostitute Killer

17:27

or the Lake Elsinore Killer in

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the Times like Timeline after just a quick note

17:31

about names. Our main source

17:33

for the timeline and the best source out there about William South

17:35

from what we can plow is the

17:38

Riverside Killer written by Christine Kiers,

17:41

former Riverside detective and actually a member of

17:43

the task force that took Bill down. And

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then true crime author, Dennis St. Pierre, and this book was

17:48

published in 1996. The

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author has changed a lot of people's names for

17:53

privacy reasons, including the name of Billsoft's first wife,

17:55

the names of some roommates. We actually got his

17:57

wife's name for some newspaper articles. Changed

17:59

the name. We have names for most of the family members, you

18:03

know, where they were entirely omitted in the book. We

18:06

were able to find some names and other sources, but

18:08

not all of them. Showed up in old newspaper articles

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and, you know, genealogy databases. So I just

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want you to know that when we don't have names for some of the people here,

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it wasn't due to a lack of effort. This

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might be in a prolific serial killer who killed not that

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long ago because, again, the only

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target in sex workers, there just was not a

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lot of interest in this bastard, not

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a lot of investigative journalism done. Also,

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it seems like most of his family went to great

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lengths, greater lengths than a lot of the relatives of

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serial killers, to not be interviewed

18:33

and not be associated with this dirty, dirty bird.

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Okay, disclaimer done. Here we go. Crap

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on those boots, soldier. We're

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marching down a time suck

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timeline. August

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20, 1950, William Lester

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Suff, born in Torrance, California. Torrance

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is located in L.A. County, almost exactly 70

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miles west of Riverside. Back

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in 1950, the population there, about 22,000. Today it's about 150,000.

19:08

The city boasts a long list of associations

19:10

with notable people, including Chuck Norris. He

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moved to Torrance when he was 12, actress-sex

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symbol Bo Derek, filmmaker Quentin

19:18

Tarantino, spent a few years of his childhood in

19:20

Torrance. Bill was

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the oldest of five children. His mother, Elizabeth,

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later Elizabeth Meade, had four boys and one

19:26

girl. His biological father not named

19:28

at any source of the records we can find. So

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I'd like to have some name to refer to him

19:34

when I talk about him, so I've just

19:36

made up a name at random, no relation to

19:39

any real living person. Just a

19:41

completely, totally random, made-up name, and

19:44

I'm just going to call him Pat Sayjack. Pat

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Sayjack Huff, father of Bill. Bill

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of siblings, Pat Sayjack, said it hits, who

19:52

did not grow up to also be serial killers. Born

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in 1952, 1956, 1957, and 1958. One

20:01

brother's name was Kenneth. Kenneth later

20:03

told the Times that Bill was a typical

20:05

friendly older brother. We got into

20:07

fights like brothers do, but I never remember him being

20:09

violent or anything. Another brother was

20:11

Robert. Third brother's

20:13

name was Donald. Donald was arrested in 1994 for

20:15

molesting a girl under the age of 13. So

20:19

at least two

20:21

of the five of Pat Sajak's

20:23

kids are sexual predators. If

20:26

you take away nothing else from this

20:28

episode, let it be that

20:30

at least two of five of Pat Sajak's

20:32

kids are sexual predators. Bill's

20:36

parents got married November 26, 1949

20:38

in Virginia, moved to California before he

20:41

was born. Pat Sajak,

20:43

again Bill's father, moved to

20:45

take a job in the aerospace industry, but his true passion was, of course,

20:47

game show hosting. I mean, drumming.

20:50

More on that later. Pat's wife

20:52

Elizabeth has been described as

20:55

a strict, uncompromising housewife. The

20:58

Suffolk family moved from Torrance up north to Fresno in

21:00

central California. I don't know if that uncompromising part is

21:02

true, though. There's not some stuff that happens later. But

21:05

you did have to compromise. Suffolk

21:07

family moved from Torrance up

21:09

north to Fresno in central California shortly after

21:11

Bill's birth, where Suffolk siblings were born.

21:14

And Fresno, some existing marital problems apparently

21:16

worsened. In August of 1960,

21:19

the then 10-year-old

21:21

Bill's father, Pat Sajak's, filed

21:23

a divorce complaint, accusing

21:25

his wife of mental cruelty and associating with

21:27

men other than her husband. That's

21:30

a funny way of accusing her of maybe cheating on him,

21:32

associating with men other than her husband.

21:35

Do I know she's sucking other dicks, Your Honor? I

21:38

don't. What I do know is

21:40

that at the very least, she has been associating with men

21:42

other than her husband. And she's probably been

21:44

associating her lips right around the dirty, dirty wings.

21:46

I can't prove it, Your Honor. But come on.

21:50

Pat, surprising

21:52

considering what he'll do later, demanded full custody of the kids. Elizabeth

21:55

denied his accusations. Clayton, he was the one doing the cheating.

22:00

did not proceed past the initial complaint.

22:02

The subs were able to reconcile. Then

22:05

they moved to Riverside County, where they first lived

22:07

in the little town of Paris, about 3,000 people back

22:09

then, even though over 80,000

22:11

live there now, located

22:13

between Lake Elginor and Riverside. And

22:16

then they moved to Little Lake Elginor, which had a mix

22:18

of mostly middle class and low income families at the time.

22:21

And Lake Elginor, according to our main sources authors,

22:24

Kiers and St. Pierre, the

22:26

subfamily often teetered between two sides of the

22:28

community. The respected, hard working,

22:30

church going, family oriented side, and

22:33

the scandalous, impoverished, luckless,

22:35

narrow do well side. The

22:38

subs accrued more detractors than supporters.

22:41

So you know they sound like they were a little bit unstable. They'd

22:44

go to church for a while, try and

22:46

walk the straight and narrow, and then fucking

22:48

Elizabeth would start associated with some

22:51

straight cocks again, or Pat

22:53

Sajak would start flicking some straight

22:56

lady ween beans, and they're off the fucking rails.

22:59

Or that didn't happen. Something happened though. What did for

23:02

sure happen in Lake Elginor was Pat Sajak suddenly decided

23:04

he needed to pursue a career as a drummer, as

23:07

in right now. So

23:09

the father of five kids says

23:12

goodbye to a stable job with

23:14

good money and benefits and becomes a drummer for

23:16

a few local country western bands that aren't

23:18

doing anything other than playing some local gigs. And I'm

23:20

guessing singing some cover songs. And

23:22

this of course you know negatively affects the

23:24

family's finances very much so. Pat

23:27

Sajak being a little selfish. I'm

23:29

sure this decision led to a lot of fighting at home. Outside

23:32

of some financial troubles, Bill still seemed to enjoy

23:34

a pretty traditional 1950s, 1960s

23:37

suburban childhood though. When

23:39

the family was living in Fresno, the subs got really

23:41

into the Boy Scouts. Bill was a member. Mom was

23:43

a dead mother. Dad was a troop leader.

23:46

Lake Elginor, Bill and his siblings spent

23:48

a lot of their days playing in and near the lake and

23:51

in the Cleveland National Forest. Bill also

23:53

learned to play the trombone and the trumpet, later

23:56

participated in the band at Lake Elginor High School. Not

23:59

much is said about how Dad's treated the kids, no

24:01

mention of abuse. Although

24:03

she was not physically abusive, mom was said to

24:05

be very unaffectionate, not very

24:07

affectionate, a little cold towards her

24:09

kids. A lot will be made

24:12

by some psychologists studying this case later. Most

24:14

people interviewed in some docu- uh, doc- little documentary

24:16

episodes about this, who will say

24:18

that Bill desperately craved his mom's approval but didn't ever

24:21

feel like he really got it and

24:23

that this dynamic partially led to his

24:25

murdering ways later. I

24:27

don't know how much that's really true and

24:29

how much that just makes for good sound bites on

24:31

two crime docs. 1967,

24:34

when Billy Boy is still 16, the Suffolk family opened the

24:37

cafe as a source of income, and then one day, Bill's

24:39

father, fucking Pat Sajak, told

24:43

his wife Elizabeth he was, quote, going home

24:45

to change his clothes and he'd be back

24:47

at 3.30. But he

24:49

didn't come back at 3.30, he didn't come back at all. When

24:52

she went home after closing the cafe, Pat Sajak was

24:54

not there either. Dude just bounced,

24:56

ended up moving all the way across the

24:58

country to Flint, Michigan, to live

25:00

with his parents. Classic deadbeat

25:03

dad- classic Pat Sajak, really. Uh,

25:06

Mr. Suffolk claimed that his wife had begun

25:08

associating with another man, and that's

25:11

why he had to leave. Back in Michigan, he'll

25:13

remarry, have two daughters, then get divorced, then remarry

25:16

again when Bill gets arrested for numerous murders. And

25:19

it doesn't seem as if this fucking deadbeat dad had

25:21

any real contact with his kids, didn't really pay child

25:23

support, you know, didn't just get a divorce,

25:26

just abandon his entire family.

25:29

All five kids. See ya! It's

25:32

fucking crazy how often that happens. I

25:35

literally cannot imagine just abandoning all your responsibilities

25:37

like that, unless you're a sociopath,

25:40

you know? I would think that the guilt would eat you

25:42

alive. However, I've

25:44

learned here over and over that so

25:47

many of us meat sacks are so

25:49

good at rationalizing our terrible choices and

25:51

blaming everyone but ourselves when

25:53

it comes to us doing bad shit. Right?

25:56

I guess he just told everyone who would listen that

25:58

it was all Elizabeth's fault. She

26:01

forced him out. She left him no choice. He

26:03

had to go fucking drum in

26:06

Michigan and not live with this crazy

26:08

woman. She was so ashamed of all these dicks.

26:11

After the self-divorce was granted in

26:14

February 1968, Elizabeth would have to go

26:16

on welfare for herself and five kids to put

26:20

food on the table. So fuck Pat Sajak. And now

26:22

Bill takes on a paternal role with his siblings. Quote,

26:25

following the times in the strict critical

26:28

pattern his mother presented. That

26:30

didn't help foster a positive relationship with his siblings. Bill

26:33

apparently felt distant, separated from his brothers and his

26:35

sister, although he will still occasionally spend time with

26:37

them, or at least his brothers, when

26:39

they're all adults. And his sister's not really

26:42

mentioned. She might have been like, fuck that guy. Fuck

26:45

that creepy guy. He also supposedly was the

26:47

most responsible of the four soft boys when they were

26:49

young. He was actually the good kid. He

26:51

was the one who tried to keep his younger siblings out of trouble. Interestingly,

26:54

some of his brothers allegedly did shit like hurting

26:56

animals and starting fires, but not Bill. Not

26:59

really good boy. Internally, he

27:01

was clearly dealing with a lot of dark thoughts and

27:03

impulses based on his later behavior that

27:05

wouldn't take very long once he left the house to express.

27:09

Now attending Lake Elginor High School, Bill would

27:11

be a below average student. He'll graduate

27:13

87th out of a class of 144, but he did graduate.

27:18

His former vice principal described him as a

27:20

loner and said other students ignored him. He

27:23

called Bill likable, but quote, pathetic.

27:28

Pathetic is such a funny adjective. You

27:30

hear a lot of people, man, this guy's fucking

27:32

pathetic. It's

27:35

such a rough one. I'd rather

27:37

be called stupid and asshole, lazy.

27:39

Pathetic is – ooh, that one stings a

27:42

little bit more. Which I

27:44

knew why he used that adjective. Doesn't sound

27:46

like he was a big fan of Bill. Also,

27:48

how many of Bill's social problems were caused, at least

27:50

in part, by his dad just walking out

27:52

on him and his family when he was 16? Such

27:55

a sensitive and important age in

27:57

one's personal development. Why is it

28:00

that? has been around his entire life and then just sneaks

28:02

out. Doesn't in such a shitty way. Hey,

28:04

I'll see you. I'll be back at 3.30 at the cafe. I'll

28:06

see you in a bit. And then just

28:09

fucking leaps in the days

28:11

before cell phones, right? I'm sure for a while

28:13

there, they had literally no idea what

28:15

happened to them. It's like the classic, like, going out

28:17

for milk and cigarettes and they're just not coming home.

28:20

Just abandoned all his kids. That's got to do

28:22

with some serious psychological damage. Still,

28:25

Bill does not immediately become a delinquent. No

28:27

record of him being violent or showing any

28:29

real red flag behavior while in high school.

28:32

Despite being perceived by some as being a

28:35

pathetic loner, he was

28:37

involved in band, chess club. He attended

28:39

regular services with his family, the

28:42

Temple, Baptist Church in Paris. Also

28:44

enjoyed painting and music. As

28:47

soon as a young adult, Bill will become aggressive and

28:49

develop a disturbing pattern of violent behavior. Have

28:51

trouble keeping a job. Develop a pretty bad habit of

28:53

stealing or borrowing money from people without paying them back.

28:55

It is crazy how he goes from like, seems like

28:57

this pretty good high school kid, yeah,

29:00

a loner, but like involved in a lot of

29:02

things. Not the best grades, but getting good enough

29:04

grades to graduate and then just like

29:06

really goes off the rails a couple of years

29:08

later. We'll see

29:10

throughout the timeline, he was very good at compartmentalization.

29:13

Man, would only show the terrible side of himself

29:15

to some people. Maybe he was just

29:17

doing that in high school too. Maybe doing some sneaky shit I never

29:19

got caught for. To most, right

29:21

up until his arrest, he was able

29:23

to hide his true nature and come across a

29:25

pretty nice, helpful guy. And

29:28

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29:30

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34:45

1968 Rose Bowl game in Pasadena, January

34:47

1st, which Bill attended with

34:50

his high school band, a chance encounter

34:52

changes his life. He sees

34:54

a pretty girl, his twin flame, sitting

34:56

in stands who will later, again, very much regret

34:58

meeting this soon to be fucking

35:01

sociopath, psychopath. She was

35:03

wearing white jeans, they were dusty from the seats. He

35:05

let her know that the back of her jeans had

35:07

some dust on them, they started flirting. Then

35:09

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35:12

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35:14

said that Bill seemed very

35:16

nice, good looking, pleasant. The

35:19

kind of guy a young girl would want to meet

35:21

because he seemed very sincere. Terrell

35:23

was just 15, Bill was not quite 18. After

35:27

the to date for most of 1968 with

35:29

no known incidents, following Bill graduating

35:31

from high school in the spring, in

35:33

January of 1969, still not sure what he wants

35:35

to do with his life, not sure where he

35:37

was working in the fall of 68, Bill

35:41

enlists in the Air Force. Also

35:43

proposes to Terrell and they do get engaged.

35:46

She didn't want to get married anytime soon, she promised

35:48

her parents she would wait to get married until she

35:50

graduated high school, but this plan will change. Bill

35:54

completed basic training at the Lackland Air Force Base

35:56

in San Antonio, Texas. He attended

35:58

drum and bugle school, spent. Six months

36:00

at the Shepherd Air Force Base in Wichita Falls,

36:02

Texas near the Oklahoma border, did some medical training

36:04

there, then assigned to the Carswell

36:07

Air Force Base in Fort Worth, Texas where he

36:09

worked as an aide in the pediatric ward of

36:11

the base hospital. Then

36:13

while in Carswell, Terrell called Bill, told him

36:15

she would have to end their engagement. She

36:18

had been the victim of acquaintance rape and

36:20

had become pregnant. She didn't want to

36:22

have an abortion for religious reasons as

36:25

she was a Jehovah's Witness and she

36:27

thought the right thing to do would be to put

36:29

the baby up for adoption and end the relationship. Bill

36:33

tells Terrell still wants to marry

36:35

her and he wants to keep and raise

36:37

the baby. Overjoyed thinking he is

36:39

such a good dude, she agrees. If

36:42

only she knew how complicated all this would get and how

36:44

Bill, you know, who was

36:46

really sweet right now, would reveal himself to

36:48

not be sweet at all very soon. This

36:51

incident maybe also changed him. Maybe he

36:53

blamed her for somehow allowing herself to

36:55

be raped, right? Just fucking old school shitty

36:57

thoughts about it. He certainly

37:00

will get very possessive and real abusive towards

37:02

her following this. December

37:04

13, 1969, Bill Terrell did get

37:07

married in Paris, California so she won't have to face

37:09

a social stigma at that time that

37:11

came with being unmarried and pregnant while still in high school.

37:14

But then Bill shares that now,

37:16

now he's having second thoughts about the baby. You

37:18

know what? He actually doesn't want to raise it. He

37:21

and his family convinced Terrell that she is too young to

37:23

take care of a baby and now once again she plans

37:25

to give the baby up for adoption. Bill

37:28

returns to Texas, promises to have his new

37:30

bride come live with him after she has the baby. But

37:33

then in order to be back in California for the

37:35

birth, Bill gets the emergency

37:37

leave he needs by telling his commanding officer

37:39

that his baby had unexpectedly passed away. So

37:42

he tells his big lie. Then when he

37:44

arrives back in California, Terrell tells

37:46

Bill she now is having second thoughts about giving

37:48

the baby up for adoption. She wants to keep

37:50

the baby. Bill is not having this. He

37:53

tells her that he had lied to get emergency

37:55

leave and that they will both go to

37:57

prison if the military finds out. He

38:00

tells her that she simply cannot come live with him in

38:02

Texas if she brings her baby. Terrible

38:04

leaves him about the possibility of her

38:06

also being arrested, even though that's a bunch of bullshit. She would

38:08

have never gotten in trouble for any of this. And

38:11

now she gives the baby to Bill's mom,

38:13

Elizabeth, who has just remarried. And

38:15

Elizabeth and her new husband take custody of the

38:17

little girl who is named

38:19

Dina, and they decide to raise her as

38:22

Bill's sister. So this is all

38:24

pretty fucking weird. Right? Weird

38:26

that they're going to raise her as Bill's sister.

38:28

Weird that they don't plan on ever telling her

38:30

that her sister-in-law is actually her mom. And

38:33

Bill showing some major manipulative tendencies here. Telling

38:35

a big lie to his commanding officers, followed

38:37

by another big lie to his new wife.

38:40

Terrible pressured into signing adoption papers, does so

38:43

in April of 1970, before

38:45

then going to live with Bill in Texas after

38:47

she graduates high school. Down

38:50

in Texas, Bill and Terrible almost immediately began

38:52

to have marital problems. Bill extremely

38:54

insecure and a jealous young man. And

38:57

just starts doing some crazy shit right off the rip. During

39:00

one argument about his controlling behavior, Terrible tells him

39:02

that she was a woman and not his possession.

39:05

And she responded with, no,

39:07

or I'm sorry, she said

39:09

he responded with, no, you're my wife and

39:11

that's all. She was

39:13

his possession in his eyes, as you'll see. And

39:17

Terrible here, she does remind me a

39:19

lot of my wife, Lindsay. Consistently

39:21

refusing to submit, to be subservient. It's

39:25

amazing to me that her disobedience and insistence on

39:27

exercising her own free will has

39:29

not led to me becoming a serial killer. Especially

39:32

since it's, you know, my dad and all, probably my DNA.

39:35

That running gag, by the way, I've had here with me

39:38

joking about Lindsay,

39:41

is something I've been doing privately for most

39:43

of our marriage. When I want to get a quick rise

39:45

out of her, I love to say stuff like, I

39:47

just want you to know you're a good wife. It's been

39:49

a, it's been a real pleasure owning you. You

39:52

are definitely one of my favorite pieces of property. And

39:54

even though she knows I'm joking, it fires her up so

39:56

much. It's so fun. Since I don't

39:58

live near my little sister, Donna. and

40:00

I don't get to still torture her on a regular

40:02

basis psychologically, this is the next best thing. Scratch

40:05

is the same of noxious older brother itch. And

40:07

don't feel bad for Lindsay. She

40:10

has an older brother who also isn't around

40:12

to be constantly harassed, so she does that to me.

40:14

Constant mockery in the common tone. Okay,

40:18

refocusing on the actual subject today. Echoing

40:20

Bill's own parents' relationship problems, both he

40:22

and Terrell now accuse each other of

40:24

cheating. They're both associated with other

40:27

people. Not

40:29

sure about Bill's accusations, but Terrell's accusations

40:31

based in reality. According to

40:33

interviews with her years later, when Bill first brought

40:35

her to Texas, he told

40:37

her that he got himself a girlfriend, got him some side

40:39

action, just tells her this, while he's waiting

40:41

for her to move in with him. And

40:43

he actually asked Terrell to cut and color

40:46

her hair to match this

40:48

supposed now former girlfriend, ballsy.

40:52

Lindsay might literally fucking murder me for

40:54

doing something like that. When Terrell

40:56

refused to grant this ridiculous request, she

40:59

said that Bill threw her across the room. So

41:01

cheating, physical abuse, and

41:04

they've just begun their marriage. Cheating physical

41:06

abuse after Bill lied to her about wanting to keep and

41:08

raise her baby. After lying about how she

41:10

couldn't bring the baby to Texas, because she'd go to prison.

41:13

So many red flags telling her

41:15

to get the fuck out now. But

41:18

Terrell is very young. She's

41:20

already lived through the stigma of being pregnant in high

41:22

school, or pregnancy from being raped back when people

41:25

less likely to believe rape victims than

41:27

they are now. I'm

41:29

guessing her self-esteem, not great. And

41:32

that she would not get a lot of social

41:34

support for becoming a woman who has had a

41:36

baby and a divorce before the age of 20.

41:38

So she stays. And

41:40

of course, as they pretty much always do in

41:43

these situations, things get worse. Bill

41:45

quickly becomes unhappy with her sex life now. He's

41:48

demanding that Terrell allow him to tie her up during

41:50

sex. She's not into that. So

41:52

he now rationalizes his cheating as being her

41:54

fault. They're having sex

41:56

problems because she is frigid. So

41:59

get divorced. Right? You married too

42:01

young. You're not right for each other. End it. But they

42:03

don't. Bill fucks around

42:05

while also becoming insanely possessive of Terrell, which

42:08

is a fairly typical pattern for assholes like this. Bill

42:10

was so controlling that he didn't even allow Terrell to

42:13

go grocery shopping alone. He would

42:15

call her several times a day to check on her while

42:17

she was working at a restaurant as a waitress, making

42:19

sure she's not sneaking off and fucking somebody,

42:21

not associated with other men, who are her

42:24

husband, like father, like

42:26

son, perhaps here, maybe a chip off

42:28

the old Pat Sajak block. Terrell

42:30

will tell authors, tears, and St. Pierre, Bill

42:33

could be very quiet and very wussy, wimpy.

42:36

He could also be very strong and domineering, depending

42:38

on what he thought was needed at that moment.

42:40

So, you know, he's super manipulative. That

42:43

sentiment will be echoed by others later. One

42:46

day, Terrell threatens to leave Bill during another argument. She

42:48

still worked as a waitress, and Bill would accuse her

42:50

of cheating on him, even if she came home late,

42:52

even if it was just like a few minutes, just

42:55

enough time to associate a dick right into

42:57

her mouth. Bill would tell her shit

42:59

like how, you know, she wouldn't survive without him. Terrell

43:02

shouted at him, after this one time she comes home a

43:04

little bit late, that she would make it on

43:06

her own, even if she had to, quote, be a

43:08

prostitute. And following that comment, Bill

43:11

slaps her so hard he knocks her across the

43:13

kitchen. The abuse is escalating,

43:15

as it almost always does in

43:17

these situations. Terrell will leave Bill twice while they lived in

43:19

Texas, the first time she left for a week. She

43:22

called her mom for advice, and her mom told

43:24

her she should go back and work

43:26

things out with him. Of course. Right?

43:29

Unfortunate sign of the times. Who

43:32

cares if he hits you? Calls your names. Accuses

43:34

you of cheating constantly. He's your husband.

43:37

Best you just figure out what you're doing to

43:39

make him want to hit you and knock that

43:41

off. This, this right

43:43

here, one of the reasons why it's so

43:45

important to talk about mental health, domestic violence,

43:47

women's rights. If people hadn't talked about

43:49

shit like this the past half century, if

43:52

the feminists that the incel community

43:54

so despised for fighting for women's

43:56

independence hadn't have fought for that,

43:59

this could- easily still be the social norm today.

44:02

December of 1970, Bill, just 20 years old now, discharged

44:06

from the Air Force despite signing a four-year

44:08

contract two years earlier. His

44:11

records about the discharge were sealed. He'll

44:13

later testify that he was honorably discharged, but one

44:15

of his brothers told authors cures in St. Pierre.

44:18

Not true, he was dishonorably discharged. Another

44:21

source indicated to the authors that he was discharged

44:23

because he could not function in a military environment,

44:25

whatever that means. What did he do? Well,

44:28

probably never know. But clearly young

44:30

Bill, struggling in various aspects of his

44:32

life, personal and professional. Over

44:34

the next few years, Bill will struggle to

44:37

stay gainfully employed, so abusive and fucking lazy.

44:39

He's quite the catch. He

44:41

and Terrell struggle to make ends meet. Terrell

44:43

continues to work as a waitress, will also work

44:46

sometimes as a telemarketer. Bill

44:48

will work short stints as a fry cook,

44:50

delivery truck driver, ambulance aid, warehouse worker, and

44:52

parking lot attendant in Texas. And he'll lose

44:54

nearly all those jobs by getting

44:57

fired, as opposed to quitting. He's

45:00

not only fired from his job as a parking lot attendant, also

45:02

arrested and convicted of auto theft. So

45:05

not doing great. Suff's future

45:07

defense attorney in his murder trial, the

45:10

trial about the murders he committed, John L.

45:12

Gamboa said, it probably troubled him

45:14

deeply to be an intelligent,

45:17

extremely manipulative man, obviously

45:19

not reaching his potential. He felt like

45:22

he was dealt a bad blow in life, just one of those

45:24

people who just didn't seem to fit in. Playing

45:26

the victim, classic loser move. I

45:29

like how even his defense attorney refers to him as being

45:31

not just manipulative, but extremely

45:34

manipulative. Bill continues

45:36

unsurprisingly, being jealous and controlling of Terrell.

45:39

One day when Terrell was about nine months pregnant with

45:41

her second child, she and Bill walking home from the

45:43

movies, when a group of guys whistled at her, cat

45:46

called from their car, Terrell

45:49

told Kiers and St. Pierre, Bill went

45:51

absolutely apeshit over it. He

45:53

started screaming at them, then screaming at me. Who

45:55

are they? I said, hell, I don't know.

45:58

Then he was chasing down the street. ready to kill them.

46:00

I said, Christ almighty, Bill, I'm pregnant. How sexy

46:02

can I be when I'm almost nine months pregnant?

46:05

He calmed down after that, but it was kind of unnerving. Couples

46:09

first child Pat Sajak Huff named after his

46:11

grandfather, born November 27, 1971. He was

46:16

not named Pat Sajak. He was named William

46:18

Lester Suft Jr. And poor

46:20

little Billy, not born into a happy or safe

46:22

home at all. Bill Suft

46:24

easily one of the worst dads we have come across

46:26

here. He always seemed to

46:28

have a variety of mysterious bruises on his body, starting

46:30

when he was just a few months old, little Billy.

46:33

Those bruises consistently would show up after

46:35

Bill had been watching him. So weird. Bill

46:38

will tell Terrell that he was injured by things like, you know,

46:40

the knob on the cradle, you know, just

46:42

fell down. Then Terrell saw Bill slap little

46:45

Billy in the face because he was fussy

46:47

due to teething. Literally

46:49

slapped a fucking baby in the face. A baby

46:51

about three or four months old when this

46:53

happened. She told Bill to

46:55

never do that again. He responded that Billy needed

46:57

to learn to stop crying when he told him

47:00

to. Yeah, dude, that's not

47:02

how fucking babies work. Their brains,

47:04

much like yours, not fully developed. Bill

47:07

just keeps establishing himself as a bigger and bigger piece

47:09

of shit, right? Couldn't hack it in the military. Can't

47:12

hold a job. Beats his wife,

47:14

beats his baby. Pathetic loner in high

47:16

school. Good thing

47:18

he didn't try and raise Terrell's first baby.

47:20

If this is how he treats

47:22

his own son, how would he have treated a

47:24

baby that was not his? Speaking

47:26

of babies, March 10th, 1972, little Billy goes

47:29

to the hospital for severe bruises

47:31

across his face, abdomen and back. Jesus

47:34

Christ. Bill claimed, you know, he hit himself

47:36

with a rocking crib. How

47:39

many times Bill? Little Billy was transferred

47:41

to child welfare, but the case

47:43

worker could not keep him in state custody

47:45

for an extended period of time without further,

47:48

you know, legal action. Something fucking red tape

47:50

bullshit. He goes back to his parents. Back

47:53

home, Bill's violence does not stop with his wife and

47:55

child. It extends to family pets as well. One

47:58

day, a new family kitten. was standing

48:00

in the doorway, meowing. After

48:02

screaming at it to shut up, Bill

48:05

shoots the kitten in the head with a BB gun and

48:07

kills it. Terrell freaks out

48:09

and then he tells her it was just an accident. He

48:12

was just trying to scare it. Bojangles

48:14

actually thinks this part of the story is

48:16

pretty funny. Bad Bojangles, bad dog.

48:19

Despite all the abuse, Terrell

48:21

stays and gets pregnant again. And

48:24

on July 20th, 1973, Bill

48:26

and Terrell's daughter, Dejanay Jean

48:29

Suff is born. And she is

48:31

quickly nicknamed Dee Dee. And

48:33

Bill, right from the start, does not give

48:35

a fuck about Dee Dee. Does not want

48:37

her. Starting to seem like

48:39

this guy just hates women in general, probably hates mama,

48:41

hates his wife, now hates his infant daughter. He

48:44

straight up tries to give Dee Dee away to the neighbors,

48:47

but they refuse to take her. Then

48:49

when she is just a month old, Terrell

48:52

starts to notice bruises on Dee Dee's body. Bill

48:55

tells her that little Billy is the one causing the bruises. You

48:57

know, he's just hugging Dee Dee too hard. He

49:00

insists that he knew what he was talking about here because, you

49:02

know, he used to work at the pediatric ward at the base

49:05

hospital, you know, before the army kicked him out for being a

49:07

piece of shit. I wonder what the fuck

49:09

he did to the kids under his care there. Did

49:11

he sneak in some abuse? Was that why he was discharged?

49:13

I would not be surprised. A

49:16

few weeks later, after more mysterious, but not really that

49:18

mysterious bruises show up, on the night of September 24th,

49:20

1973, two month old Dee Dee starts vomiting. Terrell wants

49:22

to take her to

49:25

the hospital. Bill says it's not necessary.

49:27

You know, he brings up his experience at the pediatric ward.

49:29

He's like, nah, I got this. Very

49:32

next day, Terrell's at work now. Bill's

49:34

at home watching and beating the shit out of the

49:36

kids. Calls his wife at

49:38

noon saying it's Dee Dee come home quick.

49:40

When Terrell gets home, Bill's crying. Then

49:43

he says some weird shit. He says, please don't

49:45

hate me for leaving her. Please don't hate the

49:47

world. Hate the world? What's

49:49

he talking about? Terrell now sees that

49:51

her bruised daughter is not breathing. She calls 911.

49:53

Dee Dee is pronounced dead on arrival

49:55

at the hospital. Bill told the

49:57

police he was cleaning the living room while Dee Dee was in the bedroom.

50:00

When he went to check on her, he said he found

50:02

her face down on the floor, not in her bed, didn't

50:04

detect any vital signs, and then ran to a

50:06

payphone. Not to call the ambulance, but to call Terrell. After

50:10

the police left, Bill tells Terrell a

50:12

different story, a ludicrous, outrageous,

50:14

get the fuck out of here, that did not happen

50:16

story. Bill

50:18

explains to her that he was not a member

50:20

of the Air Force. He was a

50:22

– that was a cover. That was a cover story for

50:25

his real job as a CIA operative. Of

50:28

course, he was a big time, elite

50:30

CIA agent, cream of the crop, super

50:32

spy. Very important man, everybody.

50:35

He told her that he had briefly gone outside

50:38

and that while he was out, someone else

50:40

from the CIA snuck into their apartment, killed

50:42

Dee Dee, as a message

50:44

to stay quiet about something. But

50:47

that seems reasonable. But Terrell knew

50:49

that Bill had told the police he didn't know who

50:51

had killed Dee Dee, and he said that little Billy may have hurt

50:53

her while he was out using the payphone. And

50:56

then the autopsy report comes back, and you might want

50:58

to hit the skip button for this next

51:00

part. Just skip 30 seconds ahead.

51:03

If you don't want to hear how Dee Dee died – I know we talk

51:05

about a lot of brutal shit here, but we

51:07

tend not to talk about it being done to babies.

51:10

This is fucking brutal. But

51:12

here we go if you're still listening. Dejan

51:14

Asuf died from a wild amount of

51:16

physical abuse. Bill had

51:19

ruptured her liver. Medical experts

51:21

later testified that extreme force is necessary to

51:23

rupture her liver, that it literally wouldn't be

51:25

possible for little Billy to apply that kind

51:27

of force. Later assumed that

51:30

she had been punched in the

51:32

liver very hard by her

51:34

monster of a father. Dee Dee

51:36

also covered with bruises, had serious injuries that were

51:38

two to three weeks old. This is

51:40

a barely two month old baby. 13

51:44

broken ribs, broken arm, dislocated

51:46

shoulder, palm print shaped bruise

51:48

on her fucking face, those

51:51

not even the most disturbing injuries. Also

51:53

had adult bite marks on

51:56

her forehead and stomach. Finally

51:58

worse one, cigarette beer. burn on the bottom

52:00

of her foot so severe it went down

52:02

to the bone. This

52:04

two-month-old child was fucking tortured. Her

52:07

whole very short life. Fuck

52:09

Bill Suff. And honestly, fuck

52:11

Terrell too for not grabbing

52:13

her kids and fleeing before this happened. Her

52:16

baby wasn't maybe being abused. She

52:19

knew. There's very obvious

52:21

bruises, bite marks, and she

52:23

still left the kids with him. I don't

52:26

think we should give even other abuse

52:28

victims when they're adults, a moral pass

52:30

for not doing shit to

52:32

protect the helpless baby. Two

52:34

days after the police found little D.D. dead, September 27, 1973, 23-year-old

52:36

William Lester Suff charged

52:41

with the murder of Dejan A. Suff. Little

52:44

over four months later, February 5, 1974,

52:46

Terrell Suff also charged with her murder, an

52:49

intentional affliction of injury thanks to Bill doing

52:51

everything he could to blame her

52:54

for the abuse. Both

52:56

Bill and Terrell will go to trial in April of 1974. Bill's

52:59

attorney, John Gamboa, tried to find mitigating

53:01

factors for the defense. Bill

53:03

refused to talk about his parents or siblings, which

53:05

is interesting. What may

53:07

have went on in his childhood that he just wouldn't address,

53:11

neighbors, home visitors, landlords testified about

53:13

Bill's violent behavior and various incidents

53:15

of abuse involving his children, arguments

53:17

with Terrell, unwillingness to work, other

53:20

incidents of problematic antisocial behavior.

53:23

Bill's defense tries to portray him as a

53:25

loving father and a former Air Force corpsman

53:28

too medically dedicated to

53:30

even consider inflicting harm on another

53:32

human. Terrell testifies that

53:34

Dejan A. may have died due to little

53:36

Billy loving and hugging her. She probably

53:39

just wanted to believe that to alleviate her own guilt.

53:42

Also testified that she had not witnessed any child

53:44

abuse, which is not true. She'll admit that many

53:46

years later. Bill gets

53:48

on the stand, denies any responsibility for the murder.

53:51

April 11th, 1974, both Bill and

53:53

Terrell convicted of murder. Both

53:56

received 70 year sentences and

53:58

then Bill gets another three years. on a separate theft

54:00

charge. Then

54:03

on January 21st, 1976, the

54:05

state court of criminal appeals upholds

54:07

Bill's murder conviction but reverses Terrell's

54:09

conviction. The appeals court found that there

54:11

was no evidence Terrell had been involved in

54:13

the murder of her child. So

54:15

Terrell now begins divorce proceedings. She

54:18

tells Bill, I just want a divorce. I just want

54:20

my maiden name back. I don't want anything from you.

54:22

I just want out of the marriage. What?

54:25

I thought there were twin flames. Guess not.

54:28

Bill wrote her a letter that said, he

54:31

is such a piece of shit. This is

54:33

what his letter said. I'm surprised and very deeply

54:35

hurt. Why, oh why,

54:37

are you filing for divorce? That's

54:40

a very wicked thing to do. What's

54:42

more, it doesn't sound like the devout Jehovah's

54:44

Witness you profess to be. Well,

54:47

if that's what you really want, I'll not contest

54:49

it in any way, shape or manner. Let

54:51

your conscience be your guide. The

54:55

fucking nerve of

54:57

this baby torturing, wife beating piece

54:59

of shit to talk

55:02

to anybody about their conscience. Fuck this guy.

55:05

Why would he be murdered in prison? Come on Texas.

55:07

This is Texas in the 70s. Disappointed

55:11

in the Texas penal system for not accidentally

55:13

letting a prison gang have unsupervised access to

55:15

Bill for, I don't know, five, 10 minutes.

55:19

Just enough time to beat that sick fuck to death. Time to

55:21

rupture his liver. Put some cigarettes on him

55:23

and shit. Bill even

55:25

wrote a letter to Terrell's mother trying to

55:27

blame her for the murder. He wrote

55:29

that he was religious enough to forgive Terrell

55:32

and would still love her. Oh

55:34

my God. He claimed that he had passed two

55:36

polygraphs but Terrell had refused three times to take

55:38

one. What did he make of that? Huh,

55:40

huh, huh. Part of the

55:42

letter stated, quote, only Jehovah knows who

55:44

caused the death. Well, the fucking

55:47

jury knew you piece of shit. Only

55:49

Jehovah knows who caused the death and can judge

55:51

the guilty person or forgive that person. All

55:54

I can do is forgive and ask Jehovah's blessing for

55:56

those that have done me wrong. Right,

55:58

Terrell? and praying for

56:00

Jehovah to bless and forgive Terrell for

56:03

any thoughts of divorce she may have in her mind.

56:05

I've already forgiven her. God,

56:07

he's so noble. He's so righteous. He

56:09

ended with if, and I have

56:11

to say if, because I do not know if

56:14

Terrell is responsible for Dejanay's death.

56:17

I have to forgive her for that too. I

56:19

know that I didn't hurt Dejanay

56:21

and so does Jehovah.

56:25

In this moment, I hope that hell is real and

56:28

I hope he's burning alive there. The divorce, I guess he

56:30

couldn't be burning alive because he's not dead, but I hope

56:32

he's going to be burning alive there. The

56:34

divorce finalized February 25th, 1976. Around

56:38

the same time, little Billy diagnosed with intellectual

56:40

problems due to the physical abuse he suffered

56:42

at Bill's hands. So before being

56:45

arrested, he beat one kid to death, left

56:47

the other kid with brain damage. Terrell

56:49

and Bill both relinquished their parental rights

56:51

in October. Good. And

56:54

little Billy's adopted. According to Cares and St. Pierre,

56:56

he was able to grow up normally with almost

56:58

no symptoms of his original problems. Luckily, the brain

57:00

can largely heal itself sometimes,

57:03

especially when the abuse happens when someone's very young.

57:06

Meanwhile, Bill is a model prisoner. He,

57:09

of course, you know, lied to other inmates. You

57:11

know, he said he was in prison for attacking

57:14

his wife's lover. To be

57:16

that someone familiar with what he really

57:18

did didn't leak that accidentally to

57:20

the other prisoners. One of the

57:22

many reasons I could never be a correctional officer. I don't

57:24

think I'd be able to help myself. Hey,

57:28

Jack. I seem to spend a lot of time

57:30

with the new guy, Billy. I'm

57:32

surprised. I didn't take you for a

57:34

guy who'd like to get friendly with, you know, baby killers. Oh,

57:36

no, no, yeah. No, he beat his daughter to death. Courtier, too. In

57:40

a situation like that, I would lie. I would make

57:42

up some other shit, too. Yeah, I mean, he probably

57:44

molested her. I mean, he definitely molested some other kids, definitely raped

57:46

him. You know, some of the neighbor kids. Brutal

57:48

stuff. Almost raped him to death. Anyway,

57:52

have fun with your new pedo baby killing buddy. Guess maybe

57:54

you're one of those guys. And then maybe I'd accidentally drop

57:56

a shiv on the ground. What'd you look at that? Anyway,

57:59

take care, Jack. Do the right thing. While

58:02

in prison, Bill the Human turd participated

58:04

in the prison band, even

58:06

got his bachelor's degree in sociology in

58:09

1980. That's cool. He'd make

58:11

a great social worker, clearly. March

58:13

of 1984, after serving just nine years and nine months

58:15

for torturing and beating his fucking baby to death, he's

58:18

paroled. What's the fucking point

58:21

of giving somebody a 70-year sentence, actually 73 years with the

58:24

other charge, if they can just get

58:26

out in less than 10? It's a stupid little game. Why

58:29

has anyone ever released, ever, after beating

58:31

a baby to death? I feel

58:33

like that specific crime should always carry at

58:35

minimum a life sentence with no possibility of

58:38

parole. You should pass a new national law.

58:40

If you abuse a child to death, there's literally no

58:42

chance in hell you ever go free again.

58:45

We could call it the Fuck You Forever Baby Killer law. Also

58:48

maybe with that law, you get baby killer fucking tats on your

58:51

forehead. Baby killers should be given the least

58:53

amount of freedom while in prison. There

58:55

should be special cells for baby killers. They're like

58:57

three foot by three foot. Guards,

58:59

how am I supposed to ever lay down?

59:02

That's not my problem. Baby killer, how about you go

59:04

fuck yourself? Guards, my

59:06

back is killing me. I had to

59:08

see a doctor. No, no you don't. Not

59:11

going to happen. Tough shit, baby killer.

59:14

If you want to get your back to feel better, well, you probably need to

59:16

invent a time machine. What? Well,

59:19

you know, so you can go back and not kill

59:21

a baby, you piece of shit. If you can go

59:23

back in time and not kill a baby, well, your problems will be

59:25

solved. First fuckers released

59:27

because prisons and texts at the time were overcrowded

59:29

and he was classified as a low risk offender.

59:32

You know, I feel like a better way to deal with

59:34

prison overcrowding would be to just execute baby killers. We

59:36

start with baby killers, then execute

59:39

pedophiles and rapists and murderers with

59:41

multiple offenses. And

59:43

as the prison is still crowded, now we

59:45

execute and like just quickly pedophiles

59:47

and rapists and murders with single offenses. I

59:50

mean that would really cut down at overcrowding. Oh,

59:53

and also maybe more importantly, we release everyone in

59:55

prison for nonviolent drug offenses. Now there's so much

59:57

room. So much room for the worst of the

59:59

worst. Easy peasy problem solved. Bill

1:00:03

wrote in his residence plan that he wanted to

1:00:05

move to California, officials in Texas and California approved

1:00:07

the plan, and now he's paroled to Riverside County.

1:00:09

I should have denied him. What

1:00:12

do you want to do? Move to California? No.

1:00:16

Why not? Well, because you're a baby killer. So,

1:00:18

you know, fuck even what you want to do forever. Nice talk.

1:00:22

Bill the baby killer, son of Sajak, now

1:00:25

moves back in with his mother and her second

1:00:27

husband to Riverside County's Sunset City. Which

1:00:30

was at this time a retirement community developed in 1962 for seniors 55

1:00:32

and over. Bill's

1:00:35

stepfather described as being very strict,

1:00:37

critical and demanding. A male

1:00:39

counterpart to the tough maternal influence in the

1:00:41

household. Bill and his stepdad

1:00:43

disliked each other. I bet they did.

1:00:46

And now his stepdad was super thrilled about

1:00:48

a fucking baby killer coming to live with him. That

1:00:50

would be a deal breaker for me. 100%. Yeah,

1:00:53

no, your shitty son can live here. But

1:00:55

only after, you know, you and I get a divorce and I'm not

1:00:57

living here. Bill's

1:00:59

sister, Dina, Terrell's daughter, only 13 or

1:01:01

14 now, also disliked him. Terrell

1:01:04

told Cures and St. Pierre that based on her conversations

1:01:06

with the girl, she didn't like

1:01:08

Bill at all and argued with him a lot. She

1:01:11

said she tried to avoid him as much as possible.

1:01:13

Sometimes he would search her out, start to argue with

1:01:15

her. Then she would say, get

1:01:17

on my face, leave me alone. I don't

1:01:20

know why she didn't like him. She never said she just

1:01:22

didn't like the way he acted. How

1:01:24

did Terrell feel about the man who killed one

1:01:26

of her kids, beat another into intellectual, intellectual

1:01:29

disability, living with her remaining child?

1:01:32

How does she not try and stop him from living there? How

1:01:34

is he allowed to live in a home with any children?

1:01:36

And it after what he did, why is she talking to

1:01:39

the girl she gave away that's supposed to

1:01:42

be, you know, like Bill's fucking sister? So

1:01:44

many questions. Soon

1:01:46

after moving in with mom, Bill borrows a large amount of money

1:01:48

from her claiming he needed it to pay for a divorce. What

1:01:51

she didn't know was that Terrell had already

1:01:53

paid for the divorce. So

1:01:56

the low risk release immediately gets back to some of

1:01:58

his old manipulative tricks. Elizabeth

1:02:00

finds out the truth about her son when she talks to Terrell on

1:02:02

the phone. Bill also shortly after

1:02:04

making it to California tries to contact Terrell by

1:02:07

leaving a message with her roommate that he'd been released

1:02:09

from prison. Terrell told authors

1:02:11

again, Cures and St. Pierre, he

1:02:13

said he knew where I was and

1:02:15

if he couldn't have me, no one would. So

1:02:18

you know, real nice guy. A low threat. You

1:02:20

know, it's not like he's immediately threatening his ex-wife the second

1:02:22

he gets out of prison. Maybe,

1:02:24

after maybe working things out with mom and giving her money back, it's

1:02:26

never made clear if he did that or not. He

1:02:29

probably didn't give all of it back if he gave some, just

1:02:31

based on who he is. Bill gets a job

1:02:33

for a couple months doing data entry at

1:02:35

a local computer company before getting fired. No

1:02:37

surprise. Bill

1:02:40

would live with his family until the summer of 1984. After

1:02:42

his data entry job, he works at McDonald's for six

1:02:44

months before probably getting fired, doesn't say. Following

1:02:47

moving out, he'll stay in touch

1:02:49

with his brothers, not sure he sees mom or

1:02:51

sister or stepdad very often, if at all. Parole

1:02:55

officials will check in on Bill monthly for the first

1:02:57

three years following his release. In

1:02:59

1987, Texas will then relax Bill's

1:03:01

parole status and he'll only have

1:03:03

to report to his parole officer once a year now.

1:03:06

And he'll only do that once. No

1:03:08

one will notice when he stops checking in with his

1:03:10

parole officer in subsequent years. That's cool.

1:03:12

Texas only realized he hadn't been checking in when he was

1:03:14

later arrested again in 1992. For

1:03:18

fuck's sake.

1:03:20

Our Bill now meets his next twin flame. Time

1:03:23

for our second of two mid-show sponsor breaks.

1:03:26

And I'm back. Time to meet

1:03:29

the new lucky lady. Backing

1:03:31

up to July of 1984, Bill

1:03:34

now 33 meets an older woman named

1:03:36

Bonnie Ashley. His one true twin flame. Sources

1:03:39

don't reveal her age. She just listed as being older. For

1:03:42

fun, let's pretend she's somewhere between 90 and 100.

1:03:46

They'll have an off and on again relationship for the next five years.

1:03:49

Bill will soon move into Bonnie's home in Lake Elginor

1:03:51

and freeload like the fucking bum he was. Authors

1:03:54

Cures and St. Pierre wrote that

1:03:56

Bill might have been attracted to Bonnie because he was

1:03:58

reaching out for an affectionate mother. Maybe

1:04:02

she was quite a bit older, probably not 90, maybe

1:04:05

in her 50s. Let's pretend that she was in her 50s but

1:04:07

looked like she was between 90 and 100. Bonnie

1:04:10

will later say that Bill was never abusive or violent

1:04:12

towards her and that he never even shouted at her.

1:04:15

Well, he found a meal ticket. She was actually doing

1:04:17

very well for herself. She was a successful real estate agent and

1:04:20

he didn't want to fuck it up. He'll take his aggression

1:04:22

out towards other women. Bill

1:04:24

and Bonnie were at least, according to Bonnie, happy together

1:04:26

for a few years. They once

1:04:28

went on a trip to Kings Canyon National Park

1:04:30

where Bill purchased some t-shirts as a souvenir. This

1:04:33

detail about the t-shirts will later turn out to be

1:04:35

an important piece of evidence against him. Early

1:04:38

in the relationship, Bill spent a lot of his

1:04:40

free time driving around to learn shortcuts, scenic routes,

1:04:43

which will come in handy when he needs

1:04:45

places to dispose of victims. I

1:04:47

imagine he was already planning murders shortly after these

1:04:49

two started dating, or perhaps

1:04:52

already committing murders he was just never caught for. Our

1:04:55

lead appeared as if Bill decided to turn over a

1:04:57

new leaf in California. To most people,

1:04:59

he came across as kind and helpful. But

1:05:02

of course, he usually had ulterior motives when he was

1:05:04

being nice. He would win a lot of people over.

1:05:07

It would seem mostly so he could ask them for

1:05:09

small amounts of money that he would never repay. He

1:05:12

also helped Bonnie take care of her home and

1:05:14

other properties she owned, and even helped

1:05:16

take care of her elderly mother, wondering how much

1:05:18

he fleeced from her. Bill's brother Robert

1:05:20

will later remember how one day when he and Bill

1:05:22

were cleaning up in Bonnie's yard, Bill made a comment

1:05:25

about how much he hated prostitutes. He

1:05:27

said it was strange because he said it was zero prompting.

1:05:29

They weren't talking about prostitutes. It just kind of came out

1:05:31

of nowhere. Bill had actually

1:05:33

been paying sex workers already at this

1:05:36

time. He'd been paying them since he first

1:05:38

moved back to California. Those poor women. But

1:05:41

he frequently professed publicly against things like

1:05:43

drugs, alcohol, and sex work. According

1:05:46

to one anonymous sex worker, who was a

1:05:48

regular, Bill was a regular client of hers,

1:05:51

Bill was real into bondage and whips. He

1:05:54

liked to hurt people. Also allowed her to

1:05:56

use his apartment to do drugs. Bill

1:05:59

engaged in some serious complaints. departmentalization now already living

1:06:01

two separate lives. In

1:06:03

April of 1985, Bill is offered a position to

1:06:05

work at a computer store in Lake Elsinore. Before

1:06:07

he's hired, Bill had stopped by often

1:06:10

to talk with the owners and I've done an unidentified

1:06:12

married couple. He and his the

1:06:15

owners, the husband and wife complained

1:06:18

about how Lake Elsinore's main street had declined

1:06:20

because of sex work and drugs. Couple

1:06:23

talked to Bill about a revitalization campaign for main

1:06:25

street to get rid of the sex workers that

1:06:27

were starting to frequent the downtown area in recent

1:06:29

years. Bill hung up

1:06:31

posters with them advertising their campaign repeatedly

1:06:34

expressed how sex workers disgusted him. Wonder

1:06:37

if any of the sex workers who you know,

1:06:39

he had hired saw him do this. Like if

1:06:41

you're a sex worker, and you see a client

1:06:43

of yours doing something like that, maybe avoid that

1:06:46

conflicted fucking maniac at all costs going forward.

1:06:49

Just a thought. Now the

1:06:51

couple eventually offered Bill a sales job. Bill

1:06:53

was to be paid in commissions, but he

1:06:55

failed to sell literally anything for

1:06:57

six months. Because you know,

1:07:00

he was a lazy worthless sneaky pile of shit.

1:07:02

The owners now paid him to babysit their kids or

1:07:05

help out around the house because they felt bad for him and

1:07:07

they had no idea that he'd been arrested

1:07:09

back in Texas. Right? He would

1:07:11

routinely lie about stuff like that on job

1:07:13

applications. This couple became friends

1:07:16

with Bill to the point that they even offered

1:07:18

him a room in their house. Terrifying. But

1:07:21

Bonnie did not approve of that because the husband was often

1:07:23

out of town. She didn't want her precious

1:07:25

Billy boy to be alone with this woman. She

1:07:28

told Bill that told Bill that they were over if

1:07:30

Bill moved in with his couple. So he chose to

1:07:32

stick with his meal ticket and he reduced contact with

1:07:34

a couple after that. June

1:07:36

of 1986 Bill now gets a new

1:07:38

part time job and appliance store and Lake

1:07:40

Elsinore owned by an elderly couple. They

1:07:43

thought Bill was very reliable. In

1:07:45

reality, he was stealing money from their cash register

1:07:47

to pay sex workers. This guy is such a pile

1:07:49

of shit. He has no redeeming qualities. The

1:07:52

owners usually would leave Bill alone in the store on Sundays

1:07:54

when they go to church and while they were at church,

1:07:56

he would bring women into the store, locked

1:07:59

the store up so no actual paying customers

1:08:01

should come in and then have sex in the

1:08:03

back room and then take money out of the

1:08:05

Register to pay them pay the women he

1:08:08

supposedly hated and looked down upon When

1:08:10

the couple finally found out that he was stealing money

1:08:12

He confessed promised to pay them back and for some

1:08:14

reason these people too kind He was

1:08:16

so manipulative they forgave him and he would keep that

1:08:18

job until the until April of 1989 worked

1:08:21

there almost three years Never paid

1:08:23

the couple back any of the money

1:08:25

he stole Should have taken out of

1:08:27

this fucking wages, but they didn't Backing

1:08:30

up to October of 1986 when bill was

1:08:32

still working at the appliance store He also started working

1:08:34

part-time for Riverside County as a stock clerk at

1:08:37

the county warehouse a job that would bring

1:08:39

him into close contact With law enforcement his

1:08:41

main duties were filling orders for office supplies and

1:08:43

furniture Bill again lied

1:08:46

on his about his criminal record on this

1:08:48

job application No one around him

1:08:50

other than his family knew back when background checks were

1:08:52

harder to perform than now That

1:08:54

he was out in parole for killing his own child And

1:08:57

he had his family convinced or at least like partially

1:08:59

convinced that somebody else Beat

1:09:01

his daughter to death and you know he took the

1:09:03

fall for it probably mom probably

1:09:06

peril Bill enjoyed his

1:09:08

job at the warehouse. He was social with everybody

1:09:10

well-liked amongst his co-workers He even

1:09:12

participated in the employee bowling league and

1:09:14

organized the first chili cook-off At

1:09:17

the annual County employees picnic a

1:09:19

cook-off he would win several years in a row So

1:09:22

I guess he does have one redeeming quality. He

1:09:24

can make a mean bowl of chili How

1:09:26

good would that chili have to be by the way for

1:09:28

you to keep eating it if you knew that the

1:09:31

cook was a baby killer Like

1:09:33

hopefully you really hate baby killers What

1:09:35

if you also really love chili? And

1:09:38

he makes literally the best chili you've ever had by a long

1:09:40

ways. It's the best food you've ever had by

1:09:43

miles Do you take a moral

1:09:45

stand and avoid everything he has anything to do with or are

1:09:47

you like? I'm gonna tell that guy to go fuck himself As

1:09:50

soon as I figure out how to make this chili god damn it's really

1:09:52

good Few years

1:09:54

later while the serial killer task force is an operation

1:09:56

They'll need a lot of office supplies and bill will

1:09:58

sometimes deliver supplies to the very officers trying to find

1:10:01

him and discuss the case

1:10:03

with those investigators. He

1:10:05

once told the deputy that the killer

1:10:07

was murdering sex workers, you know, to

1:10:10

clean up the street. Kind of doing a good thing. If

1:10:12

you think about it, he must have

1:10:14

loved feeling like he's outsmarting them, feeling powerful,

1:10:17

right? These pathetic dipshits always do. His

1:10:20

old vice principal was right. He is pathetic. Those

1:10:22

kids back in high school, correct, to ignore this twisted

1:10:25

loser. Bill also

1:10:27

showed off his helpful side by participating in a

1:10:29

ride share program, with fellow county employees. He

1:10:31

actually drove his coworkers around in the same van he was

1:10:33

using to pick up and kill victims. Had

1:10:35

them fooled. Most of them. Not

1:10:38

everyone thought Bill was a stand-up guy. Bill

1:10:40

was known for making a lot of sexual jokes

1:10:42

at work, which made at least one of his

1:10:44

female coworkers uncomfortable. But whenever she would

1:10:46

complain, you know, her complaints would be brushed off. I

1:10:49

hope she, after he was arrested for being a serial

1:10:52

killer, at least had a real good, I fucking told

1:10:54

you guys moment, you know, with her

1:10:56

coworkers. A few

1:10:58

coworkers also complained he spent a lot of time

1:11:00

bullshitting instead of working. Bill was hyper,

1:11:02

easily distracted, used more sick

1:11:04

leave than any other employee, claimed he couldn't do

1:11:07

heavy lifting because of a back injury from a

1:11:09

motorcycle accident, but man, never had trouble lifting something

1:11:11

if it was like, you know, served him in

1:11:13

some way personally. Bill also

1:11:15

often borrowed gas money from coworkers,

1:11:17

didn't pay them back. He sounds like

1:11:20

a fucking piece of shit. Just even,

1:11:22

you know, outside of the crimes he's committing.

1:11:25

He also probably started killing by now. He

1:11:28

first expected, his first suspected victim died the

1:11:30

same month Bill was hired at the

1:11:32

warehouse. October 30th, 1986,

1:11:35

the body of 23 year old Michelle

1:11:37

Yvette Gutierrez found in the

1:11:39

Rubido industrial area near the city of

1:11:41

Riverside, California. Body is found

1:11:43

near Aquamanza Road and Market Street by

1:11:46

a man who was out searching for aluminum cans. Found

1:11:48

Michelle's remains in a drainage ditch. She

1:11:51

was laying on her back, her blouse and shorts shredded.

1:11:53

She was covered in blood. Her genitals had been

1:11:56

quote, mutilated. So

1:11:58

much rage. ran to

1:12:00

a nearby factory to find help. Michelle's autopsy found

1:12:02

that she suffered massive trauma to both the anal

1:12:04

and vaginal areas, also stabbed

1:12:07

multiple times in the face, chest,

1:12:09

and buttocks. Had

1:12:11

ligature marks on her neck, suggesting strangulation.

1:12:14

Raped, tortured, strangled. Bill

1:12:16

would do this to a lot of women. They

1:12:18

would never be charged with this murder due to less

1:12:21

forensic evidence than will be present in multiple other area

1:12:23

murders, but as we'll see, it definitely

1:12:25

at least partially fits his M.O. A

1:12:27

month and a half later, December 11th, 1986, the

1:12:30

body of 24-year-old Charlotte Jean Palmer found

1:12:32

near Highway 74 in Romoland, census-designated

1:12:36

place south of Paris, about 25 miles

1:12:38

from the Gutierrez site. Charlotte's

1:12:40

body badly decomposed. The coroner could not

1:12:42

determine a cause of death. Bill

1:12:45

will be charged with this murder, but the charge later

1:12:47

dropped due to a lack of evidence. As

1:12:50

is often the case with serial killers, when they

1:12:52

have enough evidence to firmly convict someone of enough

1:12:54

murders to make sure that they're never gonna walk

1:12:56

free and they generally don't pursue expensive additional cases

1:12:59

that will be harder to prove in court. Six

1:13:01

months later, May 2nd, 1987, the dead body

1:13:03

of a 27-year-old woman, Martha

1:13:06

Best Young, found in Riverside

1:13:08

County in some hills east of I-15,

1:13:10

not far from Lake Elsinore. Her

1:13:12

body left naked in a spread eagle position.

1:13:15

Martha originally from Albuquerque, New Mexico. She had

1:13:17

a long history of sex work. Drugs were

1:13:19

found in her system. She'd

1:13:21

been reported missing the previous week, April 27th. She'd

1:13:24

actually been dead for about three weeks. Her

1:13:27

exact cause of death never determined due to

1:13:29

decomposition. Thought she died from

1:13:31

a combination of a fatal dose of methamphetamines and

1:13:34

strangulation. Bill suspected of

1:13:36

committing this murder, but again, not

1:13:38

charged. Early 1987, Bill

1:13:41

moves out of Bonnie's place after some type of

1:13:43

argument. Even though there were twin flames, in

1:13:46

June, he gets into a motorcycle accident. He

1:13:49

sadly survives. He's hospitalized for

1:13:51

three days. Bonnie takes pity on him, invites

1:13:53

him back so she can take care of

1:13:55

him. Twin flames reunited. January

1:13:58

18th, 1988, body of 20. 21-year-old

1:14:00

Lisa Lasek found at the bottom of

1:14:02

a cliff in the Manzanita

1:14:04

Flats area of the San Bernardino

1:14:07

National Forest. Unlike

1:14:09

most of the other victims who were white, Lisa was

1:14:11

black. She had been dead anywhere from two

1:14:13

to five days. Investigators could

1:14:15

not determine if she had been raped or strangled, but suspected

1:14:18

it, definitely stabbed in the

1:14:20

abdomen with a serrated knife, which was her

1:14:22

official cause of death. She

1:14:24

had repeatedly stabbed that same spot three to four

1:14:26

times, and also cut

1:14:29

off her right breast completely. Hopefully

1:14:32

she was dead when that happened, but sadly I doubt

1:14:34

it. Flashbacks for me

1:14:36

of the Chicago's Ripper crew. Lisa

1:14:39

had two sons who were just five and six years old when

1:14:41

she died. Lisa had another

1:14:43

one of the early victims. The bill is suspected of

1:14:45

killing one of the only victims whose body was found

1:14:48

outside Riverside County. He'll never be charged for or never

1:14:50

be convicted of this murder. When her

1:14:52

killer saw Lisa Lasek, she was standing on

1:14:54

the corner of 8th and 8th Streets in

1:14:56

front of a convenience store in San Bernardino. Lisa's

1:14:59

friend Connie also worked in there looking

1:15:01

for work. She spotted Lisa at the store, went over to say

1:15:03

hello at the same time a Dodge van pulled up next to

1:15:05

her. Connie took a look at the driver. He was

1:15:08

in his 30s, heavy set, stubble,

1:15:10

brown hair. Bill was

1:15:12

37 at this time. Brown hair did

1:15:14

typically have stubble on his face, was overweight.

1:15:18

Something felt especially off about this man to Connie. If

1:15:21

Bill was the killer, and he probably was, he had intentionally

1:15:23

driven an hour away from Lake Elsinore so

1:15:25

no one would recognize him. He offered Lisa

1:15:27

$100 for sex. Lisa

1:15:30

told Connie about the offer before she got into the van. She

1:15:32

thought it was too good to be true. Lisa said she was

1:15:34

going to the Palm Hotel with the guy. Connie

1:15:36

tried to remember the license plate as they drove off, only

1:15:39

got the last three numbers and would never see Lisa

1:15:41

again. April 29th, 1988. The

1:15:45

dead body of 37-year-old Linda Ann Ortega

1:15:47

found on a dirt road in Lake

1:15:49

Elsinore. Linda's found naked,

1:15:51

had been mutilated, and had been dead for

1:15:53

at least three days. Her autopsy found

1:15:55

high levels of alcohol and cocaine in her

1:15:57

blood. Again, Bill suspects that she was in the

1:15:59

van. Never convicted. These

1:16:02

are those three numbers, by the way, would

1:16:04

match three on his license plate though. From

1:16:08

the witness earlier, about nine months later, January

1:16:11

of 1989, sex worker named Rhonda Jetmore victim

1:16:13

of a violent attack. She was lucky to

1:16:15

survive. Bill definitely guilty

1:16:17

of this. He'll later be convicted. Bill

1:16:19

was cruising down Main Street in Lake Elsinore and

1:16:21

Bonnie station wagon. When he saw Rhonda, Bonnie

1:16:24

was a local again, real estate agent, her

1:16:26

vehicle, easily recognized around town. He

1:16:29

picked up Rhonda Jetmore in it, offered her 20 bucks

1:16:31

for sex, went to a vacant house down

1:16:33

the street that had no lights. When Rhonda

1:16:35

held out her hand for payment, Bill hands her a

1:16:37

single dollar because he's a piece of shit. When

1:16:40

Rhonda tries to protest, Bill attacks her, starts

1:16:42

to strangle her. Rhonda manages to

1:16:44

fight him off, run away. Two of her friends happen to

1:16:47

be driving by when she runs out of the vacant house.

1:16:49

One of them shoots at Bill. When he tries

1:16:51

to chase her, good on them. Hail Nimrod. Then

1:16:54

as he ran to his vehicle to drive off, they continue

1:16:57

to shoot, but no one hits him. That's

1:16:59

a bummer. The police never contact Bill

1:17:01

about his incident despite Rhonda making a report

1:17:03

to a sheriff's deputy and identifying the vehicle.

1:17:06

So fucked up, right? The complaints of

1:17:08

sex workers historically not taken very seriously,

1:17:10

unfortunately. Rhonda said

1:17:12

the man who wore metal glasses and

1:17:16

also wore a belt buckle that said Bill.

1:17:19

This combined with Lisa Lasek's friend Connie getting

1:17:21

those three digits off Bill's license plate could

1:17:23

have been enough to locate, catch him, excuse

1:17:25

me, convict him

1:17:27

for attempted murder and at

1:17:29

least one murder. A few

1:17:31

weeks later, local sex workers will tell the Riverside Sheriff's

1:17:33

Office that Rhonda was also the best friend of a

1:17:36

recent murder victim and likely the last person to

1:17:38

see that woman alive. The deputies were

1:17:40

instructed to direct her to call the sheriff's station in

1:17:42

Lake Elsinore for a phone interview. It was at the

1:17:44

end of her interview that she described how she was

1:17:46

attacked a couple weeks earlier. She thought

1:17:48

the assailant could be the person who killed her friend. The

1:17:51

deputy conducting the interview put her report into

1:17:53

two paragraphs at the end of a two-page

1:17:55

report and considered Rhonda's

1:17:57

statement quote off the subject.

1:20:00

worse. Another woman

1:20:02

said he was always offering to babysit and

1:20:04

was really careful and good with him. My

1:20:06

oldest girl would crawl to him the minute

1:20:08

he came in and she called him, hunky

1:20:10

bill. Struck me his odd that a

1:20:12

single man would do that, but

1:20:14

he told me his baby had died and I just assumed he meant by

1:20:16

crib death or that it was stillborn. My

1:20:19

God. Well, my kids were little. If

1:20:21

some single guy would have kept offering

1:20:23

to babysit, not a fucking chance in

1:20:26

hell. There was a chance in hell

1:20:28

that any single guy was going to babysit my kids. Yes,

1:20:30

women do horrible things to kids, you know,

1:20:32

as well, but statistically not fucking

1:20:34

nearly as often as dudes, like not

1:20:36

even close amongst people

1:20:39

convicted of committing sexual crimes against children, depending on

1:20:41

what data set you're looking at, you will find

1:20:43

that between 95 and 99% of

1:20:46

them are dudes or cock

1:20:48

walkers. Uh,

1:20:51

Bill would even occasionally babysit for local sex

1:20:53

worker named Darla Ferguson, who will be

1:20:55

one of his victims June 28th,

1:20:58

2009 same month, Bill and Bonnie breakup. Kimberly

1:21:00

little dead body is found near Cottonwood

1:21:02

Canyon in Lake Elsinore. It was

1:21:05

the day after her 28th birthday. Bill

1:21:07

had actually tried to start a relationship with Kimberly, but

1:21:09

she was not interested. Told Bill she had

1:21:11

a boyfriend and it seems that

1:21:13

Bill's response to this rejection was

1:21:15

to rape and strangle her and leave

1:21:18

her body in a desolate area covered by a bath

1:21:20

towel after dressing her body in one of his t-shirts.

1:21:23

Also exposed one of Kimberly's arms to reveal

1:21:25

her needle tracks. He'll expose

1:21:27

the arms of nearly all his future victims in this

1:21:29

way. One of his signature moves, right?

1:21:31

Like he's somehow proving that these fucking junkies

1:21:34

deserve whatever they got. Uh,

1:21:37

out of town papers picked up on the case

1:21:39

after Kimberly's murder. They connected her killing to some

1:21:41

of the other recent killings of sex workers that

1:21:44

I just went over. The press now nicknames the

1:21:46

possible serial killer responsible for these crimes as the

1:21:48

Riverside prostitute killer or the Lake

1:21:50

Elsinore killer. After murdering

1:21:53

Kimberly, Bill next tries to date a woman named

1:21:55

Joanne who had been court ordered

1:21:57

for some weekender duty. Uh, weekender

1:21:59

duty. allowed people to do work release instead of paying

1:22:01

a fine or serving jail time. And

1:22:03

part of Bill's current duties with the county now

1:22:06

was supervising these weekenders, which is insane.

1:22:09

He was working for the county in a law

1:22:11

enforcement adjacent manner no one figured out he had

1:22:14

served a decade in prison recently for

1:22:17

killing his baby daughter and also no

1:22:19

one aware that he's no longer meeting with his parole officer.

1:22:23

Bill offered to drive Joanne home every day. He told

1:22:25

her he was divorced because he caught his wife cheating

1:22:28

and that his ex-girlfriend recently thrown him out of her

1:22:30

house. Joanne later recalled, quote,

1:22:33

he said all he has been is

1:22:35

hurt by women. I

1:22:37

wonder if he counted his infant daughter, you

1:22:39

know, that he beat to death in that assessment. Like what's

1:22:42

her constant crying part of the hurt that

1:22:44

women cause him. Joanne

1:22:46

got a job at a local Circle K

1:22:48

convenience store. Bill started showing up during her

1:22:51

shifts, helping her stock products, claiming he was

1:22:53

a security guard, even put up posters, presenting

1:22:55

himself as a security guard. I

1:22:58

don't know what he means by that. The source doesn't really make it clear.

1:23:00

I wish I could see one of those posters. The

1:23:03

way the info is conveyed in the source, it makes it

1:23:05

seem like he was putting up posters of himself announcing

1:23:08

that he's a security guard. I

1:23:11

doubt he was doing. I mean, maybe that's fucking weird. Funny

1:23:13

if he actually did that. It

1:23:15

makes me pictures the kind of pictures the kind of posters I

1:23:17

had on my bedroom wall as a kid of like

1:23:19

my favorite basketball players, right? Carl Malone, Michael

1:23:22

Jordan, or posters of my

1:23:24

favorite wrestlers like the ultimate warrior. Very

1:23:27

funny to me to imagine those same posters, like

1:23:29

that style, but of random security guards. Just

1:23:32

this lineup of posters, you know, one's like

1:23:34

fucking Carl Malone, fucking viciously dunking on some

1:23:36

dude. Next one's Michael

1:23:38

Jordan, tongue out mid-flight after jumping

1:23:40

from the free throw line to dunk. And

1:23:43

he got the ultimate warrior, fucking roided

1:23:45

out, flexing his massive biceps. And

1:23:48

then, just a chubby, goofy looking,

1:23:50

dead-eyed motherfucker, you know, Bill Stuf,

1:23:52

security guard. A little taser

1:23:54

in one hand, maybe a thumbs up in the other hand.

1:23:58

Creepy Bill also met with Joanne's mother to try

1:24:00

and convince her to have Joanne

1:24:02

date him, which is super weird. She

1:24:06

knew her daughter had no feelings for

1:24:08

Bill. He's about to turn 39 and

1:24:10

he's doing that. You really are

1:24:12

fucking pathetic. Don't do that, by the way. Anybody listening,

1:24:15

if someone doesn't want to date you, don't

1:24:17

like go to their mom. Like, hey, can you

1:24:19

try and like, you know, just let her know that I'm a fucking cool guy.

1:24:21

That's so weird.

1:24:24

That's so sad. Bill was

1:24:26

persistent, but eventually, you know, he moves on, leaves

1:24:29

Joanne alone. However late was she when

1:24:32

she later found out who he really was. November 11th, 1989,

1:24:34

the dead body of 36 year

1:24:36

old Judy Lynn Angel turns up

1:24:38

near Tomesco Canyon Road, northwest of Lake Elsinore.

1:24:41

Judy found with no clothing, gashes

1:24:43

on her hands that were thought to be defensive wounds.

1:24:46

She suffered blows to her face. One

1:24:48

blow so serious, it was, you know, it

1:24:51

caved her head in. She was badly beaten. Estimated

1:24:54

that she had died within a day of the discovery of her body. Judy's

1:24:57

cause of death, blow to the head with a

1:25:00

blunt instrument. Police initially thought

1:25:02

she had been shot in the head because

1:25:04

she had such a large wound between

1:25:06

her eyes. My God. Judy, another

1:25:08

suspected but unconfirmed victim. Just

1:25:10

a month later, Bill kills again. For

1:25:12

sure. This next victim, the first of the

1:25:15

final 12 murders, Bill will be tried for. Previous

1:25:18

victim, Kimberly Little being the 13th conviction or,

1:25:20

you know, 13th murder he's tried for. December

1:25:23

13th, 1989, the body of 23 year old Christina, known as Tina

1:25:27

Lille, found on a dirt

1:25:29

road in the Quail Valley area of Riverside County. Found

1:25:32

by a couple looking at property sites. Tina

1:25:34

identified by her tattoos. She

1:25:36

had not been reported missing because her family law saw

1:25:38

her on the evening of December 12th or

1:25:40

since her family law seen her then. When investigators

1:25:43

came to identify her body, they discovered Bill's most

1:25:45

brutal crime scene yet. Tina

1:25:47

had been redressed after death in men's

1:25:49

clothing. Her clothing was missing. She

1:25:52

was wearing blue jeans, gym socks, a muscle

1:25:54

shirt with a map of Kings Canyon National

1:25:56

Park on it. Right. The

1:25:58

very same type of shirt. well the exact

1:26:01

shirt actually that Bill had bought

1:26:03

when he traveled there with Bonnie, right?

1:26:05

As I got that shirt as a souvenir, Tina is

1:26:07

now wearing this. Her

1:26:09

arms tucked inside the shirt, Tina

1:26:11

was beaten so badly she was found

1:26:14

quote bleeding from all facial orifices. She

1:26:17

only weighed 86 pounds, was intoxicated at

1:26:19

the time of her death. Investigators wonder why

1:26:21

the killer felt the need to attack her so viciously. Tina

1:26:24

had a rope burn on her neck, her cause

1:26:26

of death, a combination of ligature strangulation, four stab

1:26:28

wounds to the center of her chest, which

1:26:31

were not discovered until the autopsy. And

1:26:33

now for some especially brutal details. After

1:26:36

her death, her killer cut

1:26:38

off her clitoris and her left nipple and

1:26:42

stabbed her vagina multiple times, savage

1:26:44

attack. Then after death

1:26:46

inserted a large 95 watt

1:26:48

light bulb into her vagina.

1:26:51

It was found fully inside of her and still

1:26:53

intact, which means she must have spent

1:26:55

quite a bit of time with her dead body to

1:26:57

get that in without breaking it. So why the fuck would

1:26:59

he do that? Pubic

1:27:01

hairs, fibers removed from Tina's body, they

1:27:04

would be matched to hair and fibers found at the

1:27:06

Kimberly Little crime scene. As

1:27:08

mentioned earlier, Bill murdered and acquaintance he occasionally

1:27:10

babysat for 23 year

1:27:13

old Darla Ferguson and her body will be found next.

1:27:16

January 18th, 1990, woman's body

1:27:18

found among trees near a dirt road south

1:27:21

of Canyon Lake and Cottonwood Canyon. Mother

1:27:23

and son were out looking for firewood when they found

1:27:26

her. The boy told his mom he saw some legs in the

1:27:28

bushes. She backed up, saw the body,

1:27:30

they leave, called the authorities. Darla

1:27:32

Jane Ferguson publicly identified about a week later,

1:27:35

lasting alive 11 a.m. January

1:27:37

17th. Bill had strangled her with

1:27:39

his hands or some kind of soft material. The

1:27:42

strangulation so severe, Darla

1:27:44

almost completely bit off her tongue. Darla

1:27:47

also had ligature marks on her wrist. He then covered the

1:27:49

top half of her body with a trash bag. According

1:27:51

to investigators, he did this as if to

1:27:53

emphasize his opinion of her as a piece

1:27:55

of garbage. She was found about

1:27:58

a mile from the Kimberly Little crime scene. Investigators

1:28:00

also found tire tracks in the scene that were

1:28:02

matched to other tracks and other crime scenes in the

1:28:04

area where bodies of sex workers have been found. Bill

1:28:08

will kill another woman less than a month later.

1:28:11

February 8th, 1990, the body of 35-year-old

1:28:13

Carol Lynn Miller found in a grapefruit

1:28:17

orchard in Riverside County.

1:28:19

Carol has been missing since January. She

1:28:22

died from multiple stab wounds to the chest

1:28:24

and asphyxiation. This guy fucking loved to strangle

1:28:26

and stab. He wanted to

1:28:28

be up close and personal with these women when

1:28:31

they died, feel, watch the life, leave their bodies,

1:28:33

also inflict so much brutality upon them while they

1:28:35

died. Carol also had

1:28:37

a wound near her right nipple. Pubic hair

1:28:39

is found on her body that matched pubic hair

1:28:41

found in other crime scenes. This

1:28:44

dude's not even trying to hide forensic evidence, not at

1:28:46

all. Around the

1:28:48

time Bill also started dating a teenager named

1:28:50

Cheryl, his new twin flame, who

1:28:52

worked at the Circle K where

1:28:54

his former love interest, Joanne, still

1:28:56

worked. Bill is 40 years old and

1:28:59

he's dating a team. So that's, you know,

1:29:01

fucking great. Even the non-illegal stuff he does

1:29:03

is so creepy. Cheryl

1:29:06

had moved out of her family home, was

1:29:08

living with the store manager. Bill started, you

1:29:10

know, is still visiting the store almost daily.

1:29:12

Cheryl, excuse me, was described

1:29:14

as both extremely naive and slow.

1:29:17

She will say she was swept off her feet by

1:29:19

Bill. Oh boy. Bill

1:29:22

was living in an apartment in Lake Elles

1:29:24

North this time where he had another teen

1:29:26

girl living with him, Christina Seger. She'd

1:29:29

been kicked out of her house by forgetting pregnant. Christina

1:29:31

will later recall Bill frequently ranting against sex

1:29:34

workers. Despite seeming to

1:29:36

have such high morals when he first let

1:29:38

Christina move in, Bill once snuck into the

1:29:40

bathroom while Christina was taking a shower, took

1:29:42

some photos of her when she stepped out.

1:29:44

She tore the photos up, threw them away. Bill

1:29:46

acted like he was just playing a joke. It's

1:29:48

just a joke. It's just a

1:29:50

funny joke. Just sneaking in, taking nude pics of some

1:29:52

teenager crashing with you when they step

1:29:55

out of the shower. You know, okay, now

1:29:57

I have to admit that Pat Sajak's son had

1:29:59

at least two redeeming qualities. He

1:30:01

made a mean bowl of chili and a pretty

1:30:04

wonderful endearing sense of humor. Christina

1:30:07

will claim she never had any romantic relationship with

1:30:09

Bill and that she soon invited her boyfriend to

1:30:11

move in with them and

1:30:13

the three of them would live together for a

1:30:15

little while. March 17th, 1990, Bill

1:30:18

marries his teenage girlfriend Cheryl, who

1:30:21

also may have been intellectually

1:30:23

disabled. In Las Vegas after just

1:30:25

one month of dating, everyone can

1:30:27

only imagine the horrors she was subjected to on her wedding

1:30:29

night. Christina and her boyfriend

1:30:31

will move out a week later, left the

1:30:34

newlyweds, enjoy each other. Right before they left,

1:30:36

they overheard a heated argument, saw Cheryl leave

1:30:38

the bedroom with a red mark on her face. Cheryl

1:30:41

told them Bill had slapped her, right? Same old shit.

1:30:44

Soon after this, Bill is kicked out of his apartment for

1:30:46

failing to pay rent. Sounds like Bill,

1:30:49

blowing his money on sex workers that he also often

1:30:51

kills. Now the

1:30:54

couple moves in with Cheryl's parents and Rialso

1:30:56

in the adjacent San Bernardino County. Cheryl's mom

1:30:58

thought Bill was quote, all right, but very

1:31:00

temperamental. And she didn't understand

1:31:02

why he wanted to marry her young daughter. I

1:31:06

feel like Cheryl's mom may have also been intellectually

1:31:08

disabled. What do you mean? You

1:31:10

didn't understand why he wanted to marry

1:31:12

your young daughter. He

1:31:15

wanted to do that for the same reason I imagine

1:31:17

a lot of if not most older men married teenagers,

1:31:20

because they know that women a lot closer

1:31:22

to their ages with more life experience and

1:31:24

fully developed fucking brains will see

1:31:26

through their bullshit and how fucked up they are.

1:31:29

He wanted someone to control, right? He wanted

1:31:31

a warm female body to sexually use how

1:31:33

he wished who had not learned yet what

1:31:35

healthy boundaries are or what her sexual

1:31:37

rights are. But if my fucking

1:31:39

teenage daughter brought home a 40 year old, God, it

1:31:42

would be hard to not immediately violently assault him.

1:31:46

Also, what the fuck is going on with Cheryl's dad or

1:31:48

stepdad? Why are they allowing this? Bill

1:31:50

promised he would not marry Cheryl until she finished

1:31:52

high school. Also promised he's gonna

1:31:54

pay for a big wedding. He will do neither.

1:31:57

Bill did often borrow gas money from Cheryl's parents.

1:32:00

What? Even

1:32:02

without the abuse and killing, he's just such a skeevy loser.

1:32:04

And of course, he does not pay them back. Bill,

1:32:07

uh, controlling of Cheryl, uh-huh, verbally

1:32:09

abusive, in addition to hitting her,

1:32:11

no surprises. He would tell

1:32:13

her shit like she was too fat, never did anything

1:32:15

right, leave for hours late

1:32:17

at night, claim he was visiting friends or teaching

1:32:19

earthquake preparedness classes as part of his work with

1:32:22

the county while he's out, you know, with sex

1:32:24

workers. Cheryl's parents came to

1:32:26

dislike Bill so much they kicked a couple out

1:32:28

of their house in November of 1990. And now

1:32:30

the couple moves into a different apartment complex in Rialto.

1:32:34

Bill will wait several months before he kills again, and

1:32:36

then once he does kill again, he'll, uh, go on

1:32:38

a terror and kill three in three months. November

1:32:41

6, 1990, the body of 33-year-old

1:32:43

Cheryl Coker, found next to a dumpster,

1:32:46

excuse me, in an industrial complex in Riverside.

1:32:49

An employee was looking for a wood pallet near the

1:32:51

dumpster enclosure when he found her. Thought

1:32:53

he saw a mannequin's foot in a pile of debris. When

1:32:56

he touched it, the foot was soft. Uh,

1:32:58

now I realized obviously this the woman, uh, looked like

1:33:00

the woman's throat had been cut and one of her

1:33:03

breasts was again gone. Cheryl

1:33:05

was found naked lying on her back buried under

1:33:08

a pile of branches and gardening trash overflowing from

1:33:10

the dumpster enclosure. The wound

1:33:12

on her throat was so deep, it looked like

1:33:14

her throat had been cut, but actually it was

1:33:16

caused by strangulation with a rope. Uh, Cheryl also

1:33:18

had bruises, uh, other plates on her neck.

1:33:21

The killer made sure to pose her that she had, so

1:33:23

she had one out, uh, excuse me, one arm, you

1:33:25

know, out, face up, you know, palm, palm up, uh,

1:33:28

you know, just showcasing the needle marks. Cheryl,

1:33:31

uh, first victim found in the city of

1:33:33

Riverside. Two Riverside PD homicide

1:33:35

detectives independently decided to check out the

1:33:37

scene. Christine Kears, co-author of our main

1:33:39

source today and, uh, Mike Hearn. The

1:33:42

detectives noticed a used condom near the victim's feet.

1:33:44

A vice detective at the scene

1:33:46

suspected that the victim was Cheryl Coker. She'd

1:33:48

been reported missing three days earlier. Cheryl's

1:33:51

friends were worried because she had never disappeared before.

1:33:53

They claimed that Cheryl and her husband got into

1:33:55

a violent argument before she left. A

1:33:58

detective then found Cheryl's breast. about 50 feet

1:34:00

away on a sandy plateau, the

1:34:03

killer had removed it and then just fucking through it,

1:34:05

quote, like a frisbee, according to

1:34:07

one source. According

1:34:09

to authors, Keirah and St. Pierre, Cheryl killed November

1:34:11

4th, Bill left to use

1:34:14

condom at the crime scene. He had blood

1:34:16

in his semen because he had an STI

1:34:18

at the time. Something I'm sure he

1:34:20

brought home and infected his wife with and then probably blamed

1:34:22

her for that and beat her. Bill's

1:34:26

stepdad died around the time of Cheryl's murder. Bill

1:34:28

attended the funeral, but did not linger to spend time with

1:34:31

the family. He told them they had to leave because Cheryl

1:34:33

was pregnant. Did I mention that Cheryl was pregnant? Oh

1:34:35

yeah, Bill's gonna be a daddy again. What great

1:34:37

news. Hopefully, third

1:34:39

time's a charm and he changes up his parenting style

1:34:42

to include a slightly gentler

1:34:44

method of discipline other

1:34:46

than punches, torture, and murder. Bill

1:34:48

and Cheryl are still experiencing, of course, a lot of

1:34:51

marital problems. The main one was

1:34:53

that Bill was a psychopath. Also,

1:34:55

Bill was flirting with a bunch of women at their

1:34:57

apartment complex while at the same time being very controlling

1:34:59

of Cheryl. Bill was now

1:35:01

forbidding Cheryl to wear makeup or even curse. He

1:35:04

picked the clothing she wore, not allowing her to

1:35:07

wear red at all, because he

1:35:09

said it, quote, "'reminded him of all the blood he witnessed'

1:35:11

when he worked at that pediatric ward." Mm-hmm.

1:35:14

Bill continued disappearing late at night using the

1:35:16

excuse of teaching earthquake preparedness classes. Another

1:35:19

one of the strange activities was giving away random

1:35:21

women's clothing, jewelry, and purses to Cheryl and his

1:35:24

female acquaintances. Not suspicious

1:35:26

at all. They didn't

1:35:28

know this clothing was stolen from murder victims. Bill

1:35:31

will tell Cheryl that he either found the clothing or

1:35:33

that a coworker gave it to him. Bill

1:35:35

wasn't just taking clothes from victims. He was also collecting little

1:35:38

trophies. He would keep his

1:35:40

victim's driver's licenses and random papers found in their

1:35:42

purses. He would store jewelry and

1:35:44

purses taken from victims in cardboard boxes and

1:35:46

leave those at the workstation in the warehouse.

1:35:49

Sometimes officers would come to his workstation, choose

1:35:52

his phone, ask for his help, and

1:35:54

they would stay just a few feet from

1:35:56

evidence they were looking for to find the killer they were

1:35:58

tracking. Levin little sick

1:36:00

game is played. Several.

1:36:02

Twenty First Ninety Ninety. The dead body of twenty

1:36:05

seven year old Susan Stern Field. Founded.

1:36:07

A dumpster enclosure in a business/industrial complex

1:36:09

in the Northeast and riverside. Susannah Miles

1:36:11

and the show called for crime scene.

1:36:15

Trucker found the body when he was making

1:36:17

deliveries. Saw legs inside the metal enclosure. Are

1:36:19

gonna take a look. Saw the dead body.

1:36:22

Detectives Christine Cures Mark Boy you're now

1:36:24

assigned to work this case. So.

1:36:26

C and Boyer were also the show Coker

1:36:28

crime Scene A notice indistinct similarities. Victim.

1:36:31

Was found new, had been strangled. For.

1:36:33

Clothing or not found the same. She.

1:36:36

Was caught deliberately posed in a lewd

1:36:38

position, wedged on her back between an

1:36:40

inner and outer wall. nice pushed up

1:36:42

and legs splayed open to expose her

1:36:44

genitals. For arm was pulled

1:36:46

aside to expose needle marks on her inner

1:36:49

arm as if Christie or speculated the killer

1:36:51

advertising to the police of the victim was

1:36:53

just a junkie whore and deserving of her

1:36:55

fate. Victim had dried blood coming

1:36:57

from a right ear, more blood com an eye out,

1:36:59

or sort of on an eyelid. Based.

1:37:02

On her liver temperatures you been dead two days

1:37:04

or longer. Detectives. Found no

1:37:06

useful evidence inside the dumpster enclosure. There were

1:37:08

no signs of struggle. Which

1:37:10

meant victimizer knew her attacker or trusted

1:37:13

him or was incapacitated. And incapable

1:37:15

of fighting back. Some. Abrasions

1:37:17

on her body were most likely caused by the

1:37:19

killer dragging her and posing her after death. She.

1:37:21

Did have a bruise on one side of her neck which

1:37:24

point to strangulation. Vice detective

1:37:26

brought books containing pictures riverside sex workers and

1:37:28

determined that the body mass to picture of

1:37:30

Susan Stern Field and then she was official

1:37:32

identified by her fingerprints. December.

1:37:34

Twenty Four Seasons Autopsy would confirm she

1:37:37

died of manual strangulation. According

1:37:39

to Cares and St. Pierre structures deep inside

1:37:41

the neck were crushed and hemorrhaged was required.

1:37:44

A large amount of pressure on the part

1:37:46

of the same. The

1:37:48

take appears mention the similarities in the two cases

1:37:50

to some of her coworkers. A patrol officer noted

1:37:52

their front of the Riverside Sheriff's office told him

1:37:55

they were working on a couple recent murders involving

1:37:57

sex workers as well. Here's. advisors

1:38:00

about the four recent sex worker homicides in

1:38:02

Riverside County. She was assigned to

1:38:04

contact the Sheriff's office to compare notes and

1:38:06

was then assigned to work all current and

1:38:08

future murders involving sex workers in their jurisdiction.

1:38:11

They didn't have a task force yet officially,

1:38:14

but headed in that direction for sure. January

1:38:17

7, 1991, Detective Kiers meets

1:38:19

with Detective Robert Creed from the Riverside Sheriff's

1:38:21

Office, the county sheriff's office. She

1:38:23

now learned that the RSO was working eight

1:38:25

sex worker homicides from the past few years.

1:38:28

Their most recent victim was Carol Miller, found

1:38:31

on February 8, 1990. Still

1:38:33

not enough evidence to conclusively determine the serial

1:38:35

killer was involved in these murders. The

1:38:38

suggestion that a serial killer was

1:38:40

responsible was actually rebuffed by Christine's

1:38:42

superiors initially. Still,

1:38:44

Detective Kiers and Creed request the

1:38:46

criminalists at the State Department of Justice Crime

1:38:49

Lab to compare trace evidence to

1:38:51

see if the victims are linked. RSO

1:38:53

had also reached out to Washington to see if

1:38:55

the victims might be connected to the Green River Killer

1:38:57

up there. Early suck

1:38:59

subject Gary Clean, Wayne Ridgeway, still

1:39:02

about a decade away from being caught. Excuse

1:39:07

me. January 19, 1991,

1:39:10

the body of 42-year-old Kathleen Leslie Puckett,

1:39:13

found near a major freeway seven

1:39:15

miles north of Lake Elsinore and an illegal dump

1:39:17

site off a dirt road. Bob

1:39:20

Creed from the RSO responded to this crime scene.

1:39:23

Kathleen had needle track marks on the backs of

1:39:25

her hands. She had a bruise on her forehead

1:39:27

and post-mortem abrasions on her heels and buttocks, likely

1:39:30

caused by her body being dragged. Cause

1:39:32

of death? Not obvious. Investigators

1:39:34

noticed that a tire track was found near her body.

1:39:37

An autopsy soon determined Kathleen died from

1:39:39

strangulation and asphyxia. There were signs

1:39:41

of manual strangulation and a sock had been stuffed into

1:39:44

her mouth blocking her airway. Kathleen

1:39:46

went by the names Kathleen Meline and

1:39:49

Carol Kathleen Swenson. Over

1:39:51

the past two years, Kathleen had

1:39:53

been charged with prostitution, possessing a

1:39:55

hypodermic needle and being under

1:39:57

the influence of a controlled substance. did

1:40:00

sex work in the University Avenue area.

1:40:03

Despite being a known drug user, had no

1:40:05

drugs or alcohol in her system. Kathleen,

1:40:08

seen at her sister's home in Riverside

1:40:10

on January 18th, told her sister

1:40:12

she was going to find a ride to go visit her kids in

1:40:14

Whittier, and she was last

1:40:16

seen on University Ave. about 10.30 p.m. January

1:40:19

19th, 1991. Now the Riverside Police

1:40:22

Department decides to mount a major effort to find

1:40:24

whoever is killing these women. Detective

1:40:26

Kiers recommends that the RPD

1:40:28

conduct surveillance on University Ave,

1:40:30

the primary sex worker hangout in the area. Detectives

1:40:33

would use unmarked vehicles and wear plain

1:40:35

clothes to observe sex work activity. Christine

1:40:38

approached sex workers, told them that she was

1:40:40

a homicide detective, needed their help with the

1:40:43

investigation. Many seemed willing to provide

1:40:45

information about suspicious clients and accepted her card

1:40:47

to call her if they saw her heard

1:40:49

anything else. This first

1:40:51

stakeout will last for two weeks, but no leads will

1:40:53

pan out from it. Around

1:40:55

this time, the State Department of Justice completes

1:40:57

a profile which analyzes what the Tina Leal

1:41:00

case revealed about the suspect. The

1:41:02

profile stated that the killer has a high degree of

1:41:05

self-control and a willingness to take the

1:41:07

required time to perform the mutilations. The

1:41:10

Tina Leal murder was methodical,

1:41:12

time-consuming, painstaking, and a

1:41:15

precise exercise in post-mortem mutilation

1:41:17

and the insertion of a foreign object. It

1:41:20

was done not only to humiliate and degrade

1:41:22

the victim, but also to shock and offend

1:41:24

those individuals who would discover the body. Okay,

1:41:28

I did not think of that angle with a lightbulb. It

1:41:30

might not have been done to satisfy any of

1:41:32

Bill's sexual urges. It was done, you know, probably

1:41:35

mainly to fuck with, to horrify, whoever

1:41:37

found the body. He just loved to

1:41:39

hurt whoever he could. Would

1:41:41

he have still done this type of shit if,

1:41:43

you know, Pat Sayjack would have stuck around?

1:41:45

Was it inevitable? Or did his

1:41:47

dad abandoning that family just break something inside of him? How

1:41:50

much this blood's on your hands, Pat Sayjack? March

1:41:54

2nd, 1991. State Department

1:41:56

of Justice criminalist Steve Skakovsky announces

1:42:00

comparison between the Cheryl Coker and

1:42:02

Susan Sternfield crime scenes. There

1:42:04

were similarities in carpet fibers and paint chips found on

1:42:06

the bodies. And he had

1:42:08

a potential tire match from the Coker crime scene to

1:42:10

the Kathleen Punkett crime scene. March

1:42:13

4, 1991, Detective Bob Creed and

1:42:16

Detective John Davis are designated to lead a

1:42:18

task force to catch the Riverside County Prostitute

1:42:20

Killer. So the task

1:42:22

force is formed. Why not Detective Christine Keir's

1:42:24