0:00

What gives one person the right to kill another? Most

0:03

people around the world would agree that one

0:06

has the right to use lethal force for self-defense,

0:08

I imagine. Millions believe in

0:10

capital punishment for egregious crimes. An

0:13

eye for an eye was, and in some

0:15

cases still is, an accepted religious justification for

0:17

killing another person. And also

0:19

historically, there has always been a small subset

0:21

of the population who believe they have been

0:24

granted the right to kill from

0:26

God. That God chose them to

0:28

eliminate certain people who did not

0:30

comply with God's divine purpose. This

0:32

belief applies to both individual religious

0:34

extremists and also to cults. Today's

0:37

episode centers around blood atonement,

0:40

a practice from the early LDS church

0:42

preached by primarily early leader Brigham Young

0:44

and now long considered invalid by church

0:47

officials. Blood atonement was used,

0:49

or was at least to be used in

0:51

theory, when a church member

0:53

had committed such a terrible sin that

0:56

they now had no chance of getting into

0:58

heaven. Unless blood

1:00

was shed. Their blood. In

1:03

these cases, a blood atonement killing

1:05

was seen as merciful. While

1:08

we don't know if any blood atonement

1:10

killings were actually carried out by early

1:12

LDS leaders, we do know that fringe

1:14

FLDS maniacs have used blood atonement to

1:16

justify many murder sins. We

1:19

met some of those maniacs, the Lafferty brothers, not

1:21

that long ago here in episode 371, the

1:24

school of the prophets' cult killings. But

1:26

those guys, they did not employ this

1:29

practice nearly as much as

1:31

Erville LeBaron. What happens when

1:33

one very murderous sociopath believes he

1:35

is God's true prophet, that he

1:38

is the one mighty and strong

1:40

sent to redeem the church, and

1:42

that anyone who disobeys messages from

1:44

God, i.e. him, should be punished

1:46

with blood atonement? This hypothetical scenario

1:49

came true during the lifetime of

1:51

Erville LeBaron, an exceptionally

1:53

violent Mormon fundamentalist and cult

1:55

leader. Erville LeBaron was called

1:57

the Mormon Manson, and with good reason.

2:00

He was batshit crazy. He believed he would be

2:02

able to take over the world. He

2:04

was responsible for the deaths of 20 to 30

2:06

people, some of whom have gone missing and never

2:08

been found. Erville was the

2:11

son of an excommunicated Mormon fundamentalist who

2:13

had moved to Mexico to start a

2:15

polygamous colony. His crazy came

2:17

honestly. He was raised in an insane

2:19

cult. Erville and his

2:21

many siblings believed they were special, that their

2:23

little cult colony was made up of God's

2:25

chosen people who would lead the LDS faith.

2:28

Erville would marry 13 girls and women and have

2:30

at least 50 children. And

2:33

one of his brothers had even more children with his

2:35

many, many wives. Erville's brother

2:37

Joel founded a church in Mexico after being

2:39

named patriarch of the Liberian clan prior to

2:41

his father's death, called the Church

2:43

of the Firstborn of the Fullness of

2:45

Times. And Erville was made

2:48

second in command. That wasn't enough.

2:50

He soon came to resent not being the leader

2:53

and conveniently received a vision from God

2:55

that he was actually God's one true

2:57

prophet. Funny how that works. Erville

3:00

now broke away from his brother's church, which was

3:03

also really another cult, and he founded the definitely

3:06

a cult, the Church of the Lamb of

3:08

God. He preached against his

3:10

brother and told his congregation that the

3:12

disobedient sinners in his brother's church needed

3:14

to be blood-attoned. In

3:17

order to cement his power, Erville ordered that

3:19

his brother also be blood-attoned.

3:23

And that's when the craziness episode really gets going. And

3:25

what a wild ride this story takes from there.

3:28

This week, I'll talk about the concept

3:30

of blood atonement, the life of Erville

3:32

LeBaron, how his insanely violent and culty

3:34

family got their start in Mexico, and

3:36

then we'll go through all the murders,

3:38

the many, many murders, surrounded by so

3:40

much other madness, orchestrated by the Mormon

3:42

Manson. In this week's true crime, how

3:44

is this not a movie yet? Cult,

3:46

cult, cult. This week's episode is

3:48

going to feel like an April Fool's Day prank

3:50

because it often doesn't feel real. Addition

3:53

of TimeSuck. This is Michael McDonald and

3:55

you're listening to TimeSuck. You're

3:59

listening. Happy

4:12

Wednesday and welcome to the

4:14

Cult of the Curious. It feels so

4:16

weird to say Wednesday, but

4:18

we already had a Monday episode this special week.

4:21

Don't want to say any more than that. If you haven't

4:23

already listened to episode 394, it's a unique one. Any

4:28

one time thing. Dan Cummins, the

4:30

suck master, the suck trickster, licensed equity,

4:33

hacked shed room dealer, Desert Rose,

4:35

VIP Platinum Club member, Dick Bird's

4:37

hairstylist, and you are listening

4:39

to TimeSuck. Recorded this

4:41

episode ahead of the Richard Bird Las Vegas Strip Strangler

4:43

being released so I don't have any feedback to address

4:45

yet, but I'm sure it's coming. If

4:48

you haven't listened to that one yet, wow, biggest

4:51

plot twist thus far at

4:53

the end. And that's it

4:55

today, you sweet, sweet meat sack. You beautiful

4:57

bastards. Now what a crazy ass

5:00

tale. For real. A crazy

5:02

ass tale. So

5:09

here's how this is all getting laid out today. First

5:11

we'll start with an overview of blood atonement and

5:13

what Joseph Smith and Brigham Young had to say

5:15

about the practice, followed by a

5:17

full timeline of the LeBaron family's cult and crimes.

5:20

Then we will find out how Dick Bird connects

5:23

to the story. I'll give you a hint.

5:25

He doesn't. Here we go. Joseph

5:28

Smith, the founder of Mormonism, did not preach

5:30

the concept of blood atonement per se, but

5:33

he seems to have laid the groundwork for

5:35

Brigham Young to preach it after his death.

5:39

He taught that some sins were so egregious

5:41

that the sinner became, quote, beyond the reach

5:43

of the atoning blood of Christ. In

5:46

these instances, the only hope for the sinner of getting

5:48

into heaven was to have their

5:50

quote, own blood shed to atone. And

5:53

what kind of sins could lead

5:55

to the shedding of one's blood? Only

5:58

very serious ones. Like real heinous

6:00

stuff like Clearly

6:02

being the one who farted but

6:05

refusing to admit it It's more

6:07

than one person definitely heard the sound

6:09

come out of your butt The

6:11

stink clearly is emanating from you the

6:13

closer everyone gets to you the more

6:15

it stinks, but still you will not

6:17

confess Time to lose some

6:19

blood or if you invite anyone

6:21

over for Thanksgiving dinner And you don't mention like at

6:24

all that the dinner will not be traditional But

6:26

then when everyone sits down to eat now they find

6:28

out that there's no turkey. There's no ham There's

6:31

no meat at all because you decided to have

6:33

a vegan Thanksgiving meal and fucking ruin it for

6:35

everyone Even the stuff lean

6:37

in the potatoes suck because you won't use

6:39

butter or milk or chicken stock or eggs

6:41

your piece of shit You

6:43

should have said something But you didn't because

6:45

you knew that if you said you were

6:47

serving some stuffed acorn squash Bullshit for the

6:50

main course and that the potatoes would have

6:52

mushroom gravy No one would come to

6:54

your stupid fucking house you deserve to lose

6:56

some blood you deserve to die you

6:58

know you do for real now

7:01

murder and adultery Were the main

7:03

sins for which the punishment of

7:06

blood atonement could be dished out apostasy

7:09

with another and apostasy is defined

7:11

in this context as a total

7:13

desertion of or departure from

7:15

one's religion So leaving the cult

7:18

choosing to not believe the leader Well

7:21

that was a sin punishable by death now the

7:23

strong cult move cult cult cult

7:26

But don't worry little kids were excluded

7:28

from this practice Joseph Smith

7:30

preached that killing innocent person including a

7:32

child under the age of eight Excuse

7:36

me was unpardonable And

7:38

could lead to eternal damnation That's

7:41

cool. That's cool. I'm not gonna

7:43

murder some little baby. You know for

7:45

calm bullshit I whenever Joseph was preaching

7:47

and not gonna just execute Some

7:50

seven-year-old for cheating on

7:52

her husband. That's fucking crazy, but an eight-year-old.

7:54

I mean yeah I

7:56

mean you're basically grown at that point I

7:59

had a wife And a kid by the time I

8:01

was eight, I had an addiction to nicotine. I started

8:03

smoking to deal with the stress of, you know, being

8:05

stuck in middle management. Brigham Young

8:08

continued preaching a lot of these same ideas after Smith

8:10

died. And he is credited in

8:12

most sources as the one who first truly promoted

8:14

the concept of blood atonement that many

8:17

a cult leader years later will latch onto.

8:20

In a famous 1857 sermon, he asked

8:22

his congregation, will you love that man

8:24

or woman well enough to shed his

8:26

blood? It's weird

8:28

that both men and women are referred to as his.

8:31

For the record, I hope that Lindsay does not love

8:33

me that much. I don't want anyone

8:35

to love me that much. However much you need to love someone

8:37

to be willing to shed their blood, I

8:40

hope I am best-case loved just like a little tiny bit less

8:42

than that. Young

8:44

taught that some sinners were now angels to

8:46

the devil and could only

8:49

be saved if fellow Mormons spilled their blood

8:51

on the ground as a smoking incense to

8:53

the Almighty. Not

8:55

just as an incense, a smoking

8:58

incense. That's extra serious. In

9:00

an 1856 sermon later published by Deseret

9:03

News, Utah's largest and oldest newspaper and

9:05

media organization, Young said, there

9:07

are sins that men commit for which

9:09

they cannot receive forgiveness in this world

9:12

or in that which is to come. And if they

9:14

had their eyes open to see their true condition, they

9:17

would be perfectly unwilling to have their blood

9:19

spilt upon the ground. That

9:21

the smoke thereof might ascend to heaven

9:23

as an offering for their sins and

9:25

the smoking incense would atone for their

9:27

sins, whereas if such is not the

9:29

case, they will stick to them and

9:31

remain upon them in the spirit world. What

9:34

is with the smoke and

9:36

blood talk? I'm not

9:38

some phlebotomist. I don't claim

9:40

to be a blood expert, but I am positive that blood,

9:43

unless you were to maybe cook it up in a stove or burn

9:45

it, you know, put it in the microwave or leave it in a

9:48

saucepan, a high heat for too long, doesn't

9:50

smoke. I've bled a fair amount of

9:52

times. It's never smoked. It doesn't come out

9:54

of the body smoking. Interesting language. Smith

9:57

continues. I know when

9:59

you hear my brain. brethren telling about cutting people off

10:01

from the earth. That you

10:03

consider it is strong doctrine, but

10:07

it is to save them, not to

10:09

destroy them. Wonder

10:11

how many serial killers? I thought

10:13

something very similar to this, to rationalize

10:15

their murders. I don't kill all

10:17

those girls. I, ah, I

10:21

save them. I save them from a life

10:23

of sin. I didn't kill them. You're welcome, society. Back

10:27

to Smiths, and furthermore, I

10:30

know that there are transgressors who, if they knew

10:32

themselves and the only condition upon

10:34

which they can obtain forgiveness, would beg of their

10:36

brethren to shed their blood. That

10:38

the smoke thereof, more smoke

10:40

talk, love some hot smoke and blood, might

10:42

ascend to God as an offering to appease

10:45

the wrath that is kindled against him. And

10:47

that the law might have its course. I

10:50

will say further, I've had men come to me and offer

10:52

their lives to atone for their sins. It

10:54

is true that the blood of the Son of God was

10:56

shed for sins through the fall

10:58

and those committed by men, yet men

11:00

can commit sins which it can never

11:02

remit. There are sins that can be

11:05

atoned for by an offering upon an altar, as

11:07

in ancient days. And there are sins

11:09

that the blood of a lamb, or a calf,

11:11

or of turtledove cannot remit. But

11:14

they must be atoned for by the blood of man. What

11:18

a borrel, it sucks it, you know? All the

11:20

sins can't just be forgiven with some turtledove blood.

11:23

That'd be nice. If all you had to do, worst case

11:25

was just, grab yourself a little turtledove. This

11:28

sermon by Brigham Young, published in 1856,

11:32

I imagine at least a few people who heard it,

11:35

or then read this, were

11:37

like, oh, okay, shit just got

11:39

real. Oh, wow, okay, all right.

11:42

I thought if I cheated on one of my many wives, I

11:44

would just get a talking to from a bishop, but

11:46

now I'm getting murdered, I guess. Some

11:49

sources say that some historians say that

11:51

in the 1850s, Young frequently resorted to

11:53

blood atonement to eliminate both his spiritual

11:56

and business rivals. I'm

11:58

not so sure about that. In

12:00

1844, a few sources do state that he

12:02

was said to have approved of a Mormon

12:04

being killed by an unknown assailant in Nauvoo,

12:06

Illinois, an act he characterized as, quote,

12:08

a deed of charity, because he

12:10

might now possibly be redeemed in the eternal world. But

12:14

neither the victim nor the executioner are named.

12:17

If he did do something like that, if I'm

12:20

guessing the church has erased actual records of it, I

12:23

can't find sources that list any names that people

12:25

killed, for example, or exact circumstances, you

12:27

know, under the umbrella specifically of blood

12:29

atonement by Brigham Young. Might

12:32

just very well be gossip and rumor. At

12:34

the very least, though, with just that

12:36

one sermon on blood atonement, he

12:39

opened a door that maybe Joseph Smith had already kind

12:41

of cracked open, but he opened it wider that will

12:43

get a lot of people killed later. And

12:46

that was the only time he advocated for having people

12:48

killed for committing acts he considered since, so

12:50

they could get right with God and have a chance at salvation. In

12:53

March of 1849, as Young and the Council

12:56

of 50 were drafting a plan for a

12:58

proposed state of deseret, an

13:00

attempt to form a new state in the US that was actually going to be

13:02

a lot bigger than what Utah turned out to be. Young

13:05

spoke to the council about what to do

13:07

with thieves, murderers and adulterers. And

13:09

he said, I want their cursed heads

13:11

to be cut off, that they may

13:14

atone for their crimes. The

13:16

council voted the next day that an imprisoned man, quote,

13:19

had forfeited his head

13:21

and to dispose of him privately. Okay,

13:24

a few years later in

13:26

his speech before the Utah territories legislature on

13:28

February 5,

13:31

1852, Young appeared to advocate the passage of

13:33

a law that required decapitation for whites who

13:36

were, quote, condemned by the law for

13:39

miscegenation with black people. And

13:43

miscegenation, miscegenation, yeah,

13:46

miscegenation, a lot

13:48

of syllables, means marriage or cohabitation between

13:51

two people from different racial groups. He

13:53

told the legislature that miscegenation was a grave

13:56

sin that would bring a curse upon a

13:58

man and all of his children. that

14:00

were produced as a result of the union. He

14:03

said that if a white Mormon, quote, in

14:05

an unguarded moment should commit such transgression,

14:08

decapitation would do a great deal towards atoning

14:10

for the sin. It would do

14:12

them good that they might be saved with

14:14

their brethren. He added, it is

14:17

the greatest blessing that could come to some men to

14:19

shed their blood on the ground and let

14:21

it come up before the Lord as an atonement. So

14:24

here he's just, you know, just casually advocating,

14:27

cutting people's fucking heads off. For

14:30

hooking up with someone of another race because that's

14:32

how much he believed that God hated

14:34

black people, I guess. So, you

14:36

know what? Maybe he did. Now

14:38

that I think about it a little bit more, maybe

14:41

he did authorize some blood atonement executions. It

14:43

for sure seems like that would have been in his character. I've

14:46

done that. The LDS Church

14:48

has denied the validity of blood atonement since 1889, 12

14:52

years after Young died, but offshoot cults

14:54

still preach it today. Not

14:57

many, but little fringey ones. Some

14:59

early church leaders following Brigham would even call

15:01

it fiction or a theoretical principle that was

15:03

never really implemented in the church, you know,

15:05

just trying to distance themselves from it. Smith

15:08

and Young, though, not the only

15:10

leaders preaching blood atonement. The

15:12

church is 10th president, Joseph

15:14

Fielding Smith, nephew of founder Joseph Smith, who was the

15:16

head of the church towards at the end of his

15:18

life from January of 1970 to

15:21

July of 1972. He

15:23

wrote, man may commit

15:25

certain grievous sins according to his light and

15:27

knowledge that will place him beyond the reach

15:29

of the atoning blood of Christ. If

15:32

then he would be saved, he must make sacrifice

15:34

of his own life to atone. So

15:36

far as in his power lies for

15:38

that sin for the blood of Christ

15:40

alone under certain circumstances will not avail.

15:43

Joseph Smith taught that there were certain sins

15:45

so grievous that men may commit that

15:48

they will place the transgressors beyond the power of

15:50

the atonement of Christ. If

15:52

these offenses are committed, then the blood of Christ

15:55

will not cleanse them from their sins, even

15:57

though they repent. thrown

16:00

a nod to some sense, only

16:02

being forgiven through death in

16:04

the 1970s. More

16:07

recent years though, no one in an LDS leadership position

16:09

is saying this kind of shit anymore. In

16:12

the past several decades, the church has

16:14

worked very hard to distance itself from

16:16

some of its most questionable and controversial

16:18

early teachings. 2010,

16:21

LDS Church issued a statement to the Deseret

16:23

News. They're a great

16:25

source of information, by the way, I think,

16:27

in my opinion. I've used them for non-LDS

16:29

topics as well. Yeah, Deseret, seem like

16:31

they're kicking ass down there. But yeah,

16:34

they issued a statement to Deseret News about blood atonement,

16:36

and the statement reads as follows. Do

16:39

we still want to chop Mother

16:41

Fricke's heads off from time to time? Of course

16:43

we do. Do we think

16:45

some dipshoots would be better off dead? Yes!

16:48

Anyone who doesn't at least occasionally wish

16:50

they could celestially justify having someone they

16:52

don't care for killed is full of

16:54

snot! No, gosh dang, they

16:57

did not share that in that statement. They

16:59

shared, in the mid-19th

17:01

century, when rhetorical emotional oratory was

17:04

common, some church members and leaders used

17:06

strong language that included notions of people

17:08

making restitution for their sins by

17:10

giving up their own lives. However,

17:12

so-called blood atonement, by which individuals would be

17:15

required to shed their own blood to pay

17:17

for their sins, is not a doctrine of

17:19

the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We

17:22

believe in and teach the infinite and

17:24

all-encompassing atonement of Jesus Christ, which makes

17:27

forgiveness of sin and salvation possible for

17:29

all people. You

17:31

know what church leaders probably wanted to say? What

17:33

I wanted to say is

17:35

not a doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of

17:37

Latter-day Saints, nor has it ever been! But

17:41

blood atonement has been. Erville

17:43

LeBaron and his cult will follow the

17:45

old teachings that did justify

17:47

blood atonement. He was an OG! He

17:49

was an OM! He was an OM! Original

17:52

Mormon. He didn't go

17:54

fucking woke and ease

17:56

up on advocating the potential chopping off

17:58

of an 8-year-old's Head? Just

18:01

because he's worried about the PC crowd, cancel him,

18:03

alright? Erville was a

18:05

fucking man! One of God's true studs!

18:08

Hot, hard father daddy! Covered in caffeine-free

18:10

soda pop! Wounded to follow

18:12

the laws of his God, no matter what the cost!

18:14

They just don't make him! They just don't make him

18:16

like Erville anymore. Thank

18:18

God. He was a fucking psychopath. He

18:21

was a psychopath who convinced his followers that they were

18:23

killing for a divine purpose. And while part of Erville

18:25

likely did believe in Brigham Young's concept of blood atonement,

18:28

he also for sure killed some people because they were

18:30

just a threat to his personal power. Or

18:33

he just held a personal grudge against them. This

18:35

is, this story, I cannot, truly cannot believe this

18:37

story has not been made into a movie. It

18:41

just, as it kept going, I'm like, this, like,

18:43

a third of the way through, I'm like, there

18:45

is more, just, what the fuck is happening here?

18:47

Details of this story already, than a lot of,

18:49

like, full episodes we have done. And it just

18:51

kept going, and going, and going. And

18:54

with that, let's now begin our timeline of

18:57

the LeBaron family. Crap

19:00

on those boots, soldier. We're

19:02

marching down a time suck

19:04

timeline. A

19:12

quick note before I dive in on just a couple of the names

19:14

in the timeline today. I don't have a clue

19:16

if I pronounce them correctly. I spent way too much time

19:19

trying to track down a few of their names and could

19:21

not find anyone on YouTube or elsewhere saying

19:23

those names. A lot of articles

19:25

where the names are written in print. And

19:28

I'm sure in the middle of some six hour doctor series,

19:30

you can probably find someone quickly saying one of these names

19:32

one time, but I wasn't gonna lose that

19:34

much sleep trying for that. Just a couple. A couple

19:37

real obscure names, to me at least. And

19:39

to the initial researcher who did a great job

19:42

of assembling the first awesome draft for today, Olivia

19:44

Lee. Maybe you

19:46

have a lot of Verlons and Dayers

19:48

in your family or in your town, but

19:51

I sure shit you not. That's it. I

19:53

feel confident that most of them are

19:56

correct. And I hope I've guessed correctly on

19:58

these few others. Alma

20:01

Dayer LeBaron Sr., the

20:03

LeBaron family patriarch, born March 15, 1886.

20:07

We go by Dayer. Dayer LeBaron was

20:09

the grandson of Benjamin F. Johnson, some

20:12

with a much more reasonable name, secretary

20:14

and part-time business partner of LDS Church

20:17

founder Joseph Smith. Dayer

20:19

grew up in Mesa, Arizona, a city just east

20:21

of the city limits of Phoenix, Arizona, lived

20:24

near his grandfather, and then at

20:26

some point in childhood he moved to Colonia Juarez,

20:28

a town in the northern Mexican state

20:30

of Chihuahua to further his education. Colonia

20:33

Juarez was established in 1886 by Mormons

20:35

and was settled by Mormon pioneers who

20:38

wanted to continue practicing polygamy without

20:40

restrictions after church leaders

20:42

began to more aggressively condemn

20:44

the practice, leading up to

20:46

banning it outright, September 24, 1890. Chihuahua

20:50

and other Mexican states were once home

20:52

to hundreds of thousands of Mormons. Excuse

20:55

me, before the start of the Mexican Revolution, it was

20:57

fought between 1910 and 1917. Dayer's

21:00

father fled to Mexico in the late 1880s to

21:02

escape federal prosecution here in the states. He

21:05

was part of the group that formed Colonia

21:07

Juarez and Colonia Dublan. Both

21:10

were Mormon settlements in the state of Chihuahua.

21:14

It was here that he met his first wife,

21:16

Barbara Bailey. They got married in 1904, had one

21:18

child together. But Dayer

21:20

is strict and more unusual by the

21:22

day religious beliefs began to alienate Barbara,

21:25

and she would leave him and take their child to

21:27

Salt Lake City to be with her mother. Not

21:29

long after these two get divorced, Dayer returns to

21:32

Utah himself and settles down

21:34

with a woman named Maud Lucinda McDonald.

21:37

His second wife, for shame! How

21:39

is he still alive? He should have

21:41

been blood-toned! These two got married

21:43

in 1910, and they fucked a

21:45

lot. Over a lot of years. Dead

21:48

13 kids, 5 girls, 7

21:50

boys. Most of his kids

21:52

were born in Arizona, California, Nevada, and Idaho.

21:55

How lucky. How lucky are we to have claimed a little piece of

21:57

this here in Idaho? Benjamin

22:00

Ross, Alma Jr., Florin,

22:02

Verlon, Joel, Erville, not

22:04

listed here in birth order. Apparently

22:07

one wife and 13 kids, not enough for Dayer. Actually

22:10

14 kids, since he had that kid with his first wife. He

22:13

still believed in plural marriage, which as I mentioned was banned

22:15

by the church in 1890, a controversial

22:17

decision that angered many fundamentalists because

22:19

the early church one

22:21

time preached that you needed to

22:23

have multiple wives to be a Mormon

22:25

of the most esteemed type

22:27

of Mormon patriarch and received the most

22:30

glory in the afterlife. Many

22:32

of these Mormons would continue to practice polygamy in

22:35

Utah and elsewhere after this decree. In

22:37

fact, Dayer's grandfather, Benjamin F. Johnson, continued to

22:40

practice in Arizona after the church had prohibited

22:42

it. Dayer believed that his

22:45

grandfather was Joseph Smith's true

22:47

rightful successor and that

22:49

he should have been appointed to follow him. Dayer's

22:52

second wife was a woman named Oni Jones,

22:55

another atypical name. I

22:57

don't know a lot of Onis. Dayer and Oni

22:59

married in 1923, but then some higher ups was

23:01

in the church, some rat-think tattletales

23:05

found out about Dayer's new wife and had

23:07

both him and the man who performed the ceiling

23:09

ceremony for their wedding excommunicated on

23:11

February 17, 1924, when Dayer was 37. Dayer,

23:15

his wives, and eight children so far

23:18

all packed up and moved back to Clonia

23:20

Juarez now where polygamists were still accepted and

23:23

they could live their lives freely. At least the men

23:25

could. I mean, the women were essentially

23:27

trapped down there in a hellish

23:29

cult and treated like house servants who just

23:31

got fucked a whole bunch. But the men,

23:33

the noble patriarchs who so

23:36

righteously submitted their women property,

23:38

they were free. That's

23:40

what matters. Dayer

23:42

worked as a painter, did odd jobs to support his

23:44

family. Dayer would file a written request

23:47

for permission to return to the mainstream LDS church.

23:49

On March 24, 1934, but he was never readmitted. Dayer's

23:54

finest offspring, the great Erville,

23:57

moral LeBaron, maybe

23:59

morale. I don't know, was born on February

24:01

22nd, 1925 in the small city of Galiana, Mexico. Erville's

24:07

birthplace has been described as a destitute

24:09

encampment set among sagebrush and

24:11

barrel cacti. It seems

24:14

nicer than that now. Looking into

24:16

a little bit. New York Times reported that the family

24:18

was ostracized by their neighbors and

24:20

that the Liberian kids didn't have much of a social

24:22

life outside of each other. Sounds

24:26

right. Probably had

24:28

a little bit to do with the day and his kin claiming

24:30

they received revelations from God, which

24:32

they also called voices, callings, or commands. That'll

24:35

often cause the neighbors to become a little skittish around you. Mama,

24:38

can I go play over at the Liberian house? Are

24:41

they still hearing God talk to them, sweetie? Yeah.

24:44

Then no, you cannot. God just told me

24:46

that he hasn't said shit to them. Stay away

24:48

from those lies. There Liberian made pretty

24:50

much all his major life decisions on the basis of

24:52

these revelations. And we've covered

24:54

how personal revelations work in the LDS church

24:56

in depth numerous times now. So

24:58

no need to go over it

25:00

again here now. Basically it's real common.

25:03

I can just sum it up real quick. It's evolved

25:05

a lot over the years, but essentially it's this hierarchy

25:08

system where God speaks to the current president of the

25:10

LDS church about what God wants for all Mormons. And

25:12

then beneath him, other church leaders

25:14

can share revelations with their ward or

25:17

their stake as long as those revelations

25:19

don't contradict established church doctrine

25:21

or the recent, you know, or

25:23

any revelations of someone higher up

25:25

in the chain of command than themselves. Mormon

25:28

heads to households. They can receive revelations pertaining

25:30

to their dominion, which is their wife and

25:33

kids, as long as again, those

25:35

views don't contradict anyone above them. And

25:37

wives can receive revelations pertaining to just themselves,

25:39

not their husbands and the kids, but don't

25:42

contradict church teachings or your husband or anyone

25:44

above. You know, kids can also receive revelations,

25:46

but just for themselves. Don't

25:48

contradict mom or dad or any of the church

25:50

teachings. It's like a fucking weird Russian doll situation.

25:54

You can't have God suddenly tell you that you don't have to do

25:56

your chores and now your parents have to

25:59

abide by that. So they don't risk

26:01

incurring God's wrath. That's a gist of it. Of

26:04

course, some people always overstep Like

26:07

excommunicated zealots who now believe

26:09

that they were kicked out for being too righteous And

26:13

while God is not talking to the fake-ass

26:15

church that booted them. God is talking to

26:17

them They are

26:19

claimed that God Almighty had told him to take a

26:21

second wife Move to Mexico and

26:23

not register for the World War one draft. That's

26:26

what God wanted. No, you're too

26:28

special No war for you

26:30

and you're too much of a man to have just one

26:32

wife According

26:34

to author Scott Anderson who wrote a

26:36

book about some Liberian family commanded blood

26:38

atonement killings carried out decades later We'll

26:40

cover it called the four o'clock murders There

26:43

was not the only nut in his family. He

26:46

wrote that several members of the family suffered from insanity

26:48

So the environment that Erville is raised in he's got

26:50

there's a lot of mental illness in his family His

26:53

dad thinks he's a fucking pseudo

26:55

prophet So he again he came

26:57

about his crazy earnestly One

27:00

of his daughters one of Erville sisters Lucinda suffer

27:02

from a violent psychosis which led to her parents

27:05

Quote literally chaining her up inside a hut That's

27:08

how one source put it and his son

27:10

Ross will often call Assault Lake City radio station

27:12

years later to express his belief that Jesus is

27:14

about to return on a spaceship Then

27:19

these kids get psychiatric treatment no,

27:21

I don't think so Why

27:23

bother that when you can save money and just chain

27:25

your kid up in a hut Yeah, the

27:27

good old days when you can just chain kids in a hut Be

27:30

so much easier parent now day or

27:32

son Benjamin LeBaron didn't just hear voices sharing

27:34

God's messages with him He started

27:36

to hear voices telling him that he was God a lot

27:39

of good stuff going on his family Dinners

27:42

I imagine were never boring Benjamin

27:44

was the first of day or sons to make

27:46

a claim about his spiritual abilities before he became

27:48

God, of course You don't

27:50

want to lead with that you want to build up to it As

27:53

a kid Benjamin started calling himself the one

27:56

mighty and strong which comes from

27:58

an old Joseph Smith prophecy This

28:00

will be kind of a through line here, so I should talk

28:02

about it for a second. The one mighty and strong will be

28:04

the one according to Smith who can quote, said and order the

28:06

house of God. Smith claimed he

28:08

received that prophecy in 1832. Smith

28:11

transcribed his revelation and a letter to early

28:13

Mormon leader, William W. Phelps, November 27 of

28:15

that year. And he

28:17

claimed that Jesus revealed the following unto a hymn.

28:24

It shall come to pass that

28:26

I, the Lord God, will

28:29

send one mighty and strong, holding

28:32

the scepter of power in his hand,

28:35

cloth with light for recovery, whose

28:38

mouth shall utter words, eternal

28:41

words, while his

28:43

bowels shall be a fountain of

28:45

truth, to set in

28:47

order the house of God and

28:50

to range by lot the inheritances of

28:52

the saints, whose names

28:54

are found and the names of

28:56

their fathers and of their children

28:58

enrolled in the book of the law of God, while

29:01

that man who was called of God

29:03

and appointed, that put his

29:05

force his hand to steady the ark of God,

29:09

shall fall by the vivid shaft of

29:12

light, of lightning. Sorry, these

29:15

things I say not with myself. Therefore,

29:18

therefore, as the Lord speaks, he

29:21

will also fulfill. Without

29:25

a joke and died right there. Then you'd be

29:27

like, maybe that was God talking. Smith

29:29

never revealed the identity of the one mighty and strong in his

29:31

lifetime. Also, while

29:34

his bow shall be a fountain of truth.

29:36

Does that mean that the one mighty and

29:38

strong will literally shit truth or

29:42

spray paint truth? He said fountain. That

29:45

must be how you know someone is truly

29:47

the one mighty and strong and not

29:49

some imposter that they have truth

29:51

diarrhea. The

29:53

Liberans believe that the one mighty and strong was the rightful

29:55

heir of Joseph Smith as the leader of the Council of

29:58

50. established

30:00

by Smith to prepare for the Second Coming. A group

30:02

of fine patriarchs, fucking hot,

30:05

hard father-daddy patriarchs, ready at all times to

30:07

begin establishing some version of Gilead from the

30:09

Handmaid's Tale, a theocratic kingdom

30:11

of God. Another name

30:13

for this council that was established back in

30:16

1844, which means they've had a lot of

30:18

dudes who have waited for the Second Coming for years but never got

30:20

to see shit. Anyway, this other

30:22

name was—this is so many words. I

30:25

love this. The kingdom of God

30:27

and His laws with the keys and power thereof

30:29

and judgment of the hands of His servants. Amen,

30:31

Christ. I get why

30:33

they more commonly refer to it as the Council of Fifty. Anyway,

30:36

after Benjamin made his bold claim, the

30:39

Liberian family declared that they possessed true

30:41

priesthood authority. The boy has spoken! We

30:45

do not have to worry about being

30:47

excommunicated. In addition

30:49

to his prophetic visions, Benjamin liked to sometimes

30:51

roar—I love this—to prove he was

30:54

the Lion of Israel. Like,

30:56

he would literally just make a roar sound. Not

30:59

sure if he would first dress up in, like, a lion

31:01

costume before he made that roar, but I

31:03

hope he did, because that's very funny to me. He

31:07

once roared and then dropped to

31:09

the ground and knocked out 200

31:11

push-ups in the middle of an intersection. You

31:13

know, to prove that he had Lion of

31:15

Israel's strength. His triceps, tilts,

31:18

and pecs were as strong as his mind

31:20

was weak. He will

31:22

later in life, not surprisingly, be admitted to the

31:25

Utah State Mental Hospital. But

31:27

before that misunderstanding, Benjamin

31:29

tried to start his own church, and some of his

31:31

brothers followed him initially, but then his church

31:33

failed, and Benjamin threw himself off a bridge

31:35

in 1978 and died at the age of

31:38

65. His younger

31:40

brother, Ross LeBaron, will go on to form a cult called

31:42

the Church of the First Born, 1955,

31:46

work as a pastor and a goat farmer. That's

31:48

a fun combo. A little goat

31:50

farm and side hustle. He

31:53

later talked to the New York Times about some religious conflicts

31:55

in his family, saying, both my brothers

31:57

stole the church, and then they got to fighting among

31:59

themselves. It's like Kane and

32:01

Abel, Jacob and Esau. So

32:04

much going on in this one family. We haven't

32:06

even got to the real crazy. Backing

32:09

up now and reconnecting with the timeline. Right

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a month. And now reconnecting

32:26

with this crazy family timeline in the summer of

32:28

1944. In

32:31

June of 1944, five of Dayer LeBaron's

32:33

sons, Alma Jr., Benjamin,

32:35

Erville, Ross, Joel,

32:38

were all officially excommunicated from the

32:40

LDS church for polygamy and heresy.

32:44

They'd been baptized in the LDS phase before

32:46

their dad had gotten excommunicated. I

32:48

doubt they cared, right? Dad's been

32:50

kicked out for years. Yeah, they've been doing their own thing, whatever.

32:53

But the church makes it official. The same year,

32:55

if not a bit earlier, Dayer LeBaron began building

32:57

his own religious colony in Mexico, set up just

32:59

like LDS settlement colonies had

33:01

already been previously established. Calling

33:04

it Colonia LeBaron. Colonia

33:07

LeBaron still exists today. Located

33:09

in northwest Chihuahua near Nuevo, Casas

33:12

Grande, Colonia Juarez,

33:14

and Colonia Dublon. And

33:17

it's bigger than a lot of towns in the area. There

33:20

are just over a thousand inhabitants in

33:22

Colonia LeBaron. And some

33:24

allegedly still practice polygamy. And

33:26

allegedly, almost certainly. And

33:28

are essentially a cult still to do the same. The

33:31

compound is located on a stretch of highway four hours

33:33

south of El Paso, Texas in recent decades. The

33:36

highway has become a major route for drug trafficking into the US.

33:39

Additional LeBaron followers still live in Baja,

33:41

California, in the state of California,

33:44

Central America, and Utah. Growing

33:47

up, Erville worked in the farm fields of Colonia LeBaron

33:49

with his siblings. As a

33:51

young adult, he and his brothers traveled throughout Mexico

33:53

trying to bring converts into their little cult colony.

33:57

They fully believed in their father's LDS

33:59

offshoot. teachings. You know that God is

34:01

talking to me now, teachings. Erville

34:03

will go on to have 13 wives,

34:05

as I mentioned earlier, and father at

34:08

least 50 kids. His brother Joel will

34:10

have seven wives, weak, only

34:12

father 44 children, what

34:14

did he hate sex? But his

34:16

brother Verlon, a true patriarch,

34:19

blessed by God. While

34:21

he'll only have 10 wives, only, he'll

34:24

set the Liberian family procreation high score

34:27

of 58 kids. Legitimate

34:30

kids, who knows how many illegitimate kids these people had.

34:33

Not sure how well Verlon's mind was

34:35

working, but his cockaballs? Oh,

34:37

tip-top shape. 1951,

34:40

Alma the Air Liberian senior dies

34:43

at the age of 64 in Galliana.

34:46

He's buried in the colonial Liberian cemetery and

34:48

on his headstone are the words, The

34:51

time will come when they will beat

34:53

trails from the four corners of the earth to this

34:55

place because of the work that

34:57

will take place here. Now

35:00

I doubt it. I really doubt it. Before

35:02

he died of some unnamed illness, it seems he

35:04

passed leadership onto his son Joel, and Joel now

35:06

founded a proper church called the Church of the

35:09

Firstborn of the Fullness of Times. If

35:11

the name sounds familiar, it's because his brother Ross founded a

35:13

church called the Church of the Firstborn. Ross

35:16

will found his church just months after Joel found

35:18

his. He doesn't want to be part of his

35:20

brother's church, he thinks he's got stock of him

35:22

instead of his brother's sibling rivalry. Not even cult

35:24

leaders are immune to it. The

35:27

concept of the Firstborn has significance in both

35:29

Mormonism and mainstream Christianity. In many

35:31

cultures and ancient times, the Firstborn's son was the

35:33

one who became leader of the family once the

35:35

father died. Firstborn had to be

35:37

a righteous man, and he could lose

35:40

the birthright by acting in an unrighteous manner.

35:43

The Firstborn son was said to belong to God

35:45

and received a double portion of his father's possessions

35:47

after his death. He was also

35:49

responsible for caring for his mother and sisters.

35:52

When the Church of the Firstborn of the Fullness of Times was

35:55

initially founded, it was accepted that Joel

35:57

was the one mighty and strong. Dayer

36:00

gave him his designation, or this designation, before

36:03

his death, even though he

36:05

was not Dayer's first-born son. He was

36:07

actually his fifth-born son. No

36:09

wonder Ross, third-born son, was pissed

36:11

off. Everyone in

36:13

Colonial LeBaron believed that under Joel's leadership, they were

36:16

preparing for the imminent coming of Christ. Or at

36:18

least they pretended to believe that if

36:20

they were one of his brothers and secretly super fucking pissed

36:22

off that he was in charge of not them. Donna

36:25

Goldberg, the daughter of Verlaine LeBaron, said

36:28

in her interview for the 2024 Hulu docuseries, Daughters

36:31

of the Cult, just came out at the beginning of January, Uncle

36:34

Joel the prophet was more

36:36

revered than Jesus. I

36:40

love the wording of Uncle Joel the prophet. Who's

36:43

your uncle? Oh, Uncle Joel, the prophet over there. More

36:46

revered than Jesus. Cool ass uncle. September

36:49

21, 1955, LeBaron brothers Joel,

36:51

Ross, and Florin all traveled to Salt Lake City

36:54

to incorporate their new church. And

36:56

Alex flexes some new prophet

36:58

muscles. Fuck you, LDS. We

37:00

have our own church now, also in

37:02

Utah, also official. Boom.

37:04

Joel was ordained as president.

37:07

He installed Erville. His next youngest brother

37:09

has his second command. Gave his even

37:12

younger brother, Verlaine, the third rank, made

37:14

another younger brother, Florin, his first counselor,

37:16

and older brother, Ross. Oh,

37:18

he got dissed. He was only made

37:20

a patriarch. Oh, Ross is so

37:22

pissed. His baby fucking brother,

37:25

who shouldn't even be in charge, and now that

37:27

fake ass prophet little cocksucker just

37:29

gave him the lowest rank. Might as well have slapped him

37:31

in the face. Joel

37:33

claimed around this time he was visited by a number of

37:35

prophets who wanted to advise him on

37:37

his new church leadership position, including some

37:40

people you may have heard of. Jesus,

37:43

Abraham, Moses, Elijah,

37:45

Joseph Smith. Yeah, totally,

37:47

totally. If that really happened, and

37:50

anyone can somehow actually prove it. I'll

37:53

record an episode of Time Suck, where instead of

37:55

sharing a research presentation on some random topic, I'll

37:57

eat my own dick. Batch

38:00

of Crazy Brothers returned to Mexico in early 1957 and

38:03

continued working on expanding their new church. Well, they

38:05

all returned except for Ross. Ross

38:07

stayed in Salt Lake City. He was a little salty about

38:10

being named patriarch, so he

38:12

formed his own church. Alma Jr. joined the church

38:14

once they returned, the other brothers. Erville

38:17

published a pamphlet titled Priesthood Expounded,

38:20

which would become a foundational text for Joel's

38:22

church. Ross, back in Salt Lake

38:24

City in December of 1955, starts that

38:26

rival church called the Church of the Firstborn, said

38:28

he believed his purpose was to prepare for the

38:31

coming of the actual not-my-dips-shit-baby-brother

38:35

one mighty and strong, and

38:38

he believed that person would be, quote,

38:40

an Indian prophet. Probably said that mostly because

38:42

his brother was obviously not from India or

38:44

not Native American. I'm not sure which one he meant by that,

38:47

but it's not Joel, okay? It's definitely

38:49

not Joel. Meanwhile, the whole

38:51

community of Colonial Liberian opens a nursery, school, kitchen,

38:54

and laundry. They're going big, really

38:56

making a proper compound. At

38:58

second command, Erville was in charge of job assignments

39:01

and scheduling. Joel was a soft-spoken

39:03

leader. Many considered him saint-like. He seemed like a

39:05

pretty gentle guy. Erville, not so much. Erville,

39:08

less than two years younger than Joel, the opposite, a lot more

39:10

brash. In the summer of 1956, these guys are 33 and

39:12

31 years old. Erville's

39:15

daughter Celia said about him in

39:18

that 2020, yeah, said about him

39:20

in that 2024 Hulu docuseries,

39:22

Daughters of the Cult. Erville

39:24

was the big talker. He knew scripture inside and

39:27

out. Oh, cult, cult, cult. They always do the

39:29

best cult leaders. They got that shit memorized.

39:32

He was highly intelligent, charismatic. Erville's

39:35

niece, Stephanie Spencer, said, my uncle Erville, I

39:37

saw him convert people. He knew how to

39:39

read people's eyes, and he studied

39:41

until he saw that snap that showed that

39:43

they had been converted. Erville

39:46

and Joel recruited largely from a population

39:48

of excommunied Mormons and new Mexican LDS

39:50

converts, or converts. And

39:53

Erville focused more on lady converts

39:55

than his bro, Joel. Women

39:58

were drawn to a young Erville. He was considered handsome

40:00

fella, tall, muscular, 6'4", 225 pounds, described

40:02

as having a square jaw, strong

40:06

nose, sandy brown hair, and green eyes. Confident,

40:09

charismatic. And a lot

40:11

of women wanted to marry him because of his highest standing in

40:13

the colony. Erville was also real

40:15

plus hound, very high sex drive.

40:18

Oh, and a pedo. And he was a pedo. Like

40:20

most of, you know, these holy prophet polygamists

40:22

seem to be. Like a

40:25

true cult leader, he was clearly into all

40:28

of this mostly for the women and the girls. According

40:30

to the website, crimelibrary.org, he

40:33

was a sexual carnivore, doggedly

40:35

pursuing married women, sisters, prepubescent

40:37

girls, and middle-aged matrons alike.

40:40

He would tell each one that God had told him to

40:42

marry her. So he's a real piece

40:44

of shit. Erville believed that the Virgin Mary

40:46

became a mother at age 14, and

40:48

therefore, obviously acceptable for

40:51

him to fuck 13-year-olds, right? I mean, he

40:53

didn't say it quite like that. No,

40:56

profanity is offensive. That's dirty. That's

40:58

sinful. Smart stuff. But kids fuck

41:00

it. It's righteous. It's wholesome.

41:04

Colony residents did not oppose him. Many offered their young daughters

41:06

to him to be his brides, to increase their social standing.

41:08

What a fun world for a kid to grow up in. As

41:12

previously mentioned, Erville will take a lot of folks up

41:14

on their offers to marry their kids. We'll

41:16

go on to have at least 13 wives, 50 children with

41:18

those wives, at least 50. Let's talk about

41:21

his kids a bit before continuing on with his timeline. The

41:24

Liberian children, not sure exactly how many

41:26

siblings they have. Some say

41:28

51. Erville's daughter Celia

41:30

Liberian says there's 55. I've seen some

41:32

sources say 54. Hyron

41:35

Liberian explained that most of them just say there's over 50, because

41:37

they're not sure. That's fucking

41:40

crazy. Erville's daughter Anna believes he

41:42

actually had 14 wives, not 13. And

41:45

how many illegitimate kids did he father? How many

41:47

non-wives did he fuck? I would imagine dozens. I

41:50

don't think it would do with 13 wives who cares a lot about commitment,

41:54

or 14 wives. Erville's children, however many he had, they

41:56

didn't know their father well, but they knew enough to

41:58

be afraid of him. In a

42:00

2017 interview with the BBC, Anna

42:02

said, we were taught to live in awe of

42:04

him as God's prophet, as the one

42:06

true prophet on earth. We were

42:08

taught that we were celestial children, having

42:11

been born from the prophet, Erval de Baron, and

42:13

we believed it. Even though we

42:15

were treated so poorly, we still believed we

42:18

were celestial children. Anna

42:20

said she can count on one hand how many times she was in

42:22

the same room as her father. She

42:24

continued, he used fear to manipulate and control

42:26

people. We were absolutely afraid

42:28

of not doing what we were told, and we

42:30

didn't have a voice. Anna's mother

42:33

was Erval's fourth wife, Anna Mae Marston.

42:36

Anna was separated from Anna Mae at a young

42:38

age and grew up running from law enforcement, looking

42:40

for her dad, staying in safe houses in Mexico

42:42

in the southwestern US, where she had to sleep

42:44

on dirty foam mattresses and scavenge for food and

42:46

trash cans with the other children. When

42:49

the kids lived in the US, they had to

42:51

keep their windows covered in case Erval visited so they

42:53

could hide him from the police. Anna

42:55

said she did not know that her father was wanted

42:58

by both the FBI and Mexican police for murders. Anna

43:01

recalled that she and her siblings had lived in 10 to 15 different

43:03

houses by the time she was 10 years old. The

43:06

children would be woken up in the middle of the night, told to

43:08

put their shoes on and gather the things and

43:11

to not ask questions. According

43:13

to her sister Celia, they once lived

43:15

in a 1,500 square foot home with three wives and

43:18

20 kids. Oh my God. They

43:20

weren't allowed to play outside because their landlords and neighbors

43:22

couldn't know what they were doing. They

43:24

were taught to say, I don't know, when asked

43:27

any questions by any authority figures. For

43:30

most of their childhood, the children lived without electricity

43:32

and running water and bathed, bathed in tubs once

43:34

a week. They rarely wore

43:36

shoes and they stole clothing from donation

43:38

boxes. Anna said, we were

43:40

taught that we were being persecuted because we

43:42

were God's chosen people and that the world

43:45

outside didn't understand us. That

43:47

was how they used to explain all the moving in the middle

43:49

of the night and staying ahead of the law. Cult,

43:52

cult, cult. The

43:54

kids were forced to work in a succession

43:56

of appliance repair shops, always called Michael's appliances.

44:00

the Archangel. This is the main

44:02

source of income for years for Erville's, Erville's

44:04

cult. This cult actually had a little franchise

44:06

at one point. The boys do the

44:08

repairs, the girls will clean the appliances. Erville's

44:11

daughter Celia recalled that they worked 12 hour days most

44:13

days starting at the age of nine or 10. And

44:15

if they protested at all, they were beaten.

44:19

And it recalled I watched siblings of mine receive

44:21

horrific beatings for any type of attitude. And

44:23

these are young kids. They're kids. How

44:26

much work can you really get out of a 10 year old or an

44:28

11 year old really, you can get work out

44:30

of them if you are beating them. The

44:32

children were usually allowed to attend school, but they were

44:34

forbidden to talk about what happened behind closed doors at

44:36

home. They were taught to lie, according

44:38

to Anna. And also explained

44:40

that the girls were low in the cult social order

44:42

saying it was a patriarchy for sure. And

44:45

the young girls were groomed to become wives of

44:47

polygamous men that already had wives. We

44:49

were groomed to accept that. And to

44:51

know that's where we were headed. When

44:54

we became of marriageable age. Yeah.

44:58

Marriageable age, by the way, was 15. Anna

45:00

escaped when she was 13. And

45:03

I'd read, you know, various in case I don't bring it up.

45:05

I don't mention at least one one case of it. But

45:08

a lot of these kids were being, you know,

45:10

sexually groomed and molested, you know, pre-peped lessons, you

45:12

know, well before the age of 15,

45:15

like 12 and younger.

45:17

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And

45:20

yeah, so she ran away when she was 13, which is confusing.

45:23

I mean, it seems like she was

45:25

destined for a dream life. Why wasn't

45:27

she pumped to have some old guy, you

45:29

know, make her his teenage sex life? Did

45:32

some women not want that? Did some women

45:34

want to be more than to be of

45:36

Erville or of Verlaine, or of

45:38

some other fucking weird name in this cult family?

45:42

Anna escaped when she and her mother were ordered to move to Denver,

45:44

she felt like it might be her last chance to run before she

45:46

was going to be forced into marriage. And

45:48

that daughter's of the cult docuseries. Anna said that one

45:50

of her sisters helped her escape. Last

45:53

thing her sister said to her was after sneaking out of the house, start

45:56

walking, I just can just keep walking.

45:58

She left with nothing more than the clothes. she was

46:00

wearing that day. And would later tell

46:02

a BBC journalist, I could not

46:04

believe that my mother had been talked back into going

46:06

back to Denver when we were experiencing a life in

46:08

Houston that was the most normal I had ever experienced.

46:11

We had lived in the same house for about a year,

46:13

the longest I'd ever lived anywhere, and we

46:15

were eating food that was purchased in grocery stores, and

46:17

we were paid to work. We could even save up money.

46:20

It was now or never. And the

46:22

feelings that I had inside, that bitterness and the injustices

46:24

that we had experienced that left me

46:26

with a very strong feeling about not wanting to go back.

46:29

Good for her. Boys didn't

46:31

have it great either. Erville's son

46:33

Hiram said he was beaten whenever he didn't

46:35

obey his father's teachings, which was often because

46:37

his dad's teachings were crazy. All

46:40

the children were indoctrinated from birth and made to

46:42

believe Erville was God's mouthpiece. Anna

46:45

said in her interview with BBC, when

46:47

you are so convinced that someone is right, that

46:49

you are willing to do anything, and even if

46:51

you disagree, if you are so afraid

46:53

to voice that disagreement and you just go

46:55

and do it, that's the ultimate control. And

46:57

he had that. People

47:00

did what he said to their own detriment. According

47:03

to Anna, Erville's followers, children and wives were

47:05

pawns that he groomed to kill for him.

47:08

Okay, back to the church of

47:11

the firstborn now, Joel's church of the

47:13

firstborn, not Ross's. Let's reconnect

47:15

with the growing cult back in 1964. 1964,

47:19

the brothers expanded their church with a new

47:21

settlement in Los Molinos, an

47:24

8,500 acre ocean beachfront property in Baja,

47:26

California, with a couple thousand of

47:28

those acres being farmland. Sounds fucking

47:30

awesome, scenery-wise. Not

47:33

so much the indoctrination and child rape. Several

47:36

dozen members of the church who were now

47:38

calling themselves firstborners lived there. They

47:40

maintained wheat fields and raised goats. That's

47:43

a lot of goat farming going on in this stuff. Joel

47:46

wanted Los Molinos to be an agricultural paradise where

47:48

poor Mormons could work on a communal farm. Erville,

47:51

however, he wanted to turn it into a

47:53

resort, ignoring Joel's protest of

47:55

this, which is essentially the same thing

47:57

as ignoring God, since Joel is God's one-two prophet, Erville.

48:00

He met with investors from the US and flew them down to

48:03

view the property. The church was having

48:05

money problems, and Erville thought a resort would be a

48:07

great way to make a quick buck. And

48:09

why was the church having money problems? Well, Erville was

48:11

bringing in more converts than they could provide for. And

48:14

they were all fucking too much, taking out too many kids.

48:17

It was a shortage of food and clothing. Erville

48:19

would try out a variety of ways to make

48:22

money for the cult, including selling fish, harvesting pine

48:24

nuts from forests in California, and gambling

48:26

in Las Vegas. Okay,

48:29

kind of all over the place. Didn't

48:32

expect that to go from fish to

48:34

pine nuts to doubling down on

48:37

11. At the blackjack table to Flamingo.

48:40

Other members of the church of the firstborn might not have been

48:42

too surprised about Erville trying to raise money by heading to Vegas.

48:45

He was always looking for an easy way to make money. He

48:47

didn't seem to work as hard as most others in

48:50

the colony. People began to gossip about his expensive clothes,

48:52

his car, all the different women he was seen with.

48:54

They knew who was fucking more women than his many

48:56

wives. While church members

48:58

wore raggedy clothing and cut back on their

49:00

food intake, Erville skimmed funds to indulge himself

49:03

because of a fancy steakhouse. He

49:05

was driving a Golden Paula, which the

49:07

firstborners nicknamed the Golden Calf. Erville

49:10

said that God told him to buy that car. No

49:12

shit. God told him

49:14

to buy that car because it would impress potential

49:16

converts. You know what? That does sound

49:18

like God. That sounds like God. Erville,

49:24

this is God. Your

49:26

church is the one true church. The

49:29

only one that can save men's souls.

49:32

But who will join if

49:35

you continue to drive that

49:37

old hoof debater? You

49:39

need something new, something

49:42

sexy. You

49:44

need that Golden Paula. I

49:47

command it, Erville! Get yourself a

49:50

Golden Paula for God! Where

49:53

did you get the money, prison Paula? Erville

49:55

was the one who collected the 10% ties, required of

49:57

all members who held outside jobs, so he just... fucking

50:00

skimmed off top. He spent

50:02

his free time reading the Old Testament, right? This is

50:04

a good cult leader move, got to memorize that scripture.

50:07

Ultimately came to believe he could kill those who disobeyed

50:09

him. This is because during ancient

50:12

biblical times, the punishment for breaking the Ten Commandments

50:14

was death, or often death. So

50:17

Erville came up with some decrees he called civil

50:19

law, which were based somewhat on

50:21

the Ten Commandments. And he declared that anyone who

50:23

broke one of these laws would die. He

50:26

started threatening the congregation with shit

50:28

like disembowelment, stoning, beheading.

50:31

Here we fucking go. The

50:33

more money and the more people Erville brought in, the more power

50:35

hungry he became. And all of this not

50:37

sitting right with Brother Joel. Joel was supposed

50:39

to be the true prophet. But now

50:41

Erville, fucking Erville, his little brother, is preaching

50:44

about his bullshit revelations. What the heck? It

50:47

was them, it for his brother grew, Erville started

50:49

going on some real hellfire and damnation rants, which

50:51

were very different from Joel's more gentle teachings. And

50:54

then Erville started stealing other men's wives. That

50:56

tends to lead to a bit of

50:58

discord. One of the

51:01

women Erville stole was Anna Mae Marston, met

51:03

her, the future mother of a dozen of his kids.

51:05

Anna Mae was married and lived in the US

51:07

until a certain charismatic kind of, but not really

51:09

LDS preacher came to town and visited

51:11

her home. She heard him speak that

51:14

evening and she was smitten, real smitten. Left

51:16

her husband with no warning, just bounced. He

51:19

had that God cock. Just

51:21

reported the first time Erville took a married man's wife.

51:24

So he means, meaning he did this more. Also

51:27

as bad as this was,

51:29

he did do a good job of making it right. Erville

51:33

promised to give Anna's husband two more wives

51:35

in exchange for her hand in marriage. There's

51:37

trade and bartering ladies now. Everyone

51:41

wins. You lost your wife and I know that sucks because

51:43

she's hot as shit. But check out

51:45

these two babes, right? I mean, yeah, individually neither

51:47

one of them is as hot as your wife,

51:49

but together, they're gonna be hotter and

51:51

they're dying for some dick. They're yours. A

51:54

little token appreciation for you. Let me fuck your

51:56

wife. Well, for fucking your wife, even though you didn't let

51:58

me do that. You know what? Why can't we

52:00

all just ride their bikes? Well, what's a bike? Really?

52:02

If you can't share it. I rode your

52:04

bike. I'm still riding your bike, but

52:06

now I'm giving you two new bikes. New to you.

52:08

They're probably used. Well, they are used. I've already ridden

52:10

them a ton. Down off ditches, off ramps and shit.

52:15

If you don't know what all that bike talk is, uh, you

52:17

know what? Then I guess you're kind of new here. Then

52:19

thanks for stopping by. I hope you stay. Bring

52:22

your bike on into the stock dungeon someday. New,

52:25

used, doesn't matter. It's your bike. If

52:27

you're happy with it, well, that's what's important. And

52:29

I hope you're having fun riding. Anyway, the

52:31

little snafu with the married lady caused further

52:33

strain in Erville's relationship with Joel. Joel

52:36

kept trying to rein him in, but Erville, you can't, you can't

52:38

control her. Well, that's the one thing I know for

52:40

sure about Erville the Baron can't be controlled. And

52:43

their rift deepens. Joel and Erville's

52:45

rivalry also grew more intense because they disagreed on

52:47

major issues, such as property management and their interpretations

52:49

of the Book of Mormon. Soon,

52:52

Joel was accusing Erville of trying to

52:54

take over his church and plotting to establish a rival

52:56

cult, which was fair. Cause that was exactly what he

52:58

was doing. Summer

53:00

of a 1972, Erville

53:02

informs brother Joel of his latest revelation.

53:05

Check this shit out. God just told him

53:07

this. God wants the both of them to

53:10

run the church as equals. Boom,

53:12

bitch. Checkmate. Don't fucking try and not

53:14

accept this. God said it, dick. I

53:17

picked them getting to like a heated sibling arguments

53:20

and then because their brothers, they get into an

53:22

insane wrestling match, just pulling each other's hair, giving

53:24

wedgies. If that's full of your true profit,

53:26

why do I have most with underwear in my hand right now?

53:29

Joel refused to share leadership and

53:32

demoted Erville. Your

53:34

move, brother. Erville

53:36

literally cried before the congregation when Joel

53:38

made this announcement, shamed him that

53:41

night he walked away and began plotting

53:43

his revenge. Now

53:45

the congregation is truly divided. Members

53:47

are arguing about, you know, which brother is

53:49

the true prophet, Joel or Erville? No

53:51

one's saying Ross. Poor Ross. Erville

53:54

now decides to found his own church, the

53:57

church of the first born 3.0. Now

54:00

thank God he didn't do that. That would make the rest of

54:03

this episode very confusing. But he does actually call it the Church

54:05

of the Firstborn of the Lamb of God. For

54:07

real. It will be shortened to the Church of the

54:09

Lamb of God to make it less confusing. He

54:12

took 125 members of Joel's 1,000 member

54:14

congregation, so decent, and

54:17

set up his church back in Colonial Lebaren. Have

54:19

fun on the beach, brother! I'm going

54:22

back to the desert with the true believers. Joel

54:25

quickly promoted his brother, Verlon, and the two continued running

54:27

the Church of the Firstborn, as he

54:29

loathes Molino's oceanfront way cooler than the

54:31

other settlement settlement. And

54:34

then once settled into his new digs, Erville really

54:36

takes his sibling, Prophet, off to the next level.

54:39

He declares that Joel is

54:41

a false prophet, and that he

54:43

must die because he disobeyed

54:46

God's one true mighty prophet.

54:49

Sundays, Sundays, Sundays! At

54:52

the Tijuana Luchadores Civic Arena, we

54:54

have Brother vs. Brother, Prophet vs.

54:56

Prophet. It's a biblical showdown for the

54:59

ages! One claims to lead

55:01

God's one true church and usher in the Second Coming

55:03

of Christ! The other claims

55:05

exactly that same thing! Who

55:08

wins and picks up their wives? Who dies in the

55:10

cage and burns in hell for being a false prophet?

55:12

We'll show you the whole scene, but you don't need

55:14

the edge. Also,

55:18

Erville doesn't fuck around in the church when it comes to collecting

55:20

tine. He might have less

55:22

followers, but he squeezes more money out of

55:24

them, right, through threats. According

55:27

to Erville's niece, Stephanie Spencer, Erville started saying

55:29

things like some

55:32

of your husbands, if they don't start

55:34

getting behind me and doing what they should and paying

55:37

their tithing, they are going to be pushing up carrots

55:39

in the garden! It's

55:41

a very clean way, a very

55:43

non-vogarity way to say it. I'm gonna

55:45

fucking kill those motherfuckers! Erville

55:47

promoted a follower named Dan Jordan to the position

55:50

of drill sergeant slash lieutenant to help scare folks

55:52

into paying up. I feel like

55:54

a lot of the people who left his brother's church to follow him

55:56

are having a lot of second thoughts right about now. Why,

55:59

why, why do we leave? the beach the

56:01

weather was better the views were better Joel was

56:04

better I miss the good

56:06

old days where yeah all the ladies were still getting

56:08

fucked by the LeBaron brothers but we men got threatened

56:10

a lot less Erville

56:12

and his new henchmen Dan Jordan started bringing guns

56:15

in the community now and having

56:17

their followers practice military drills including

56:19

the children Dan Jordan well

56:21

I'm just bringing him up now he has been a part of

56:23

Erville's inner circle for a while Erville's

56:26

stepdaughter Fay recalled that Erville would promise one of

56:28

his daughters to certain men if he wanted to

56:30

impress them or earn their loyalty dude

56:32

was pimp daddy pimp feel

56:34

like the worst kind of pimp when

56:37

Fay was just 15 her mother told her that Erville

56:39

had a revelation God told him she was supposed to

56:41

marry Dan Jordan who was 42 at that time

56:44

he was afraid knew Dan already had wives but she

56:46

also knew she had to go along with it so

56:48

she and another stepsister both given

56:50

to Dan married on the same night

56:54

Dan literally flipped a coin to

56:57

see who he would spend the first to

56:59

see who would spend the first night with

57:01

him that's classy what a romantic wedding night

57:03

what a bunch of godly righteous men all

57:06

this is being done of course for the glory of

57:08

God and nothing else on

57:11

August 10th 1972 Erville publishes a 128

57:14

page pamphlet titled message to a covenant people

57:17

and in it he talks quite a bit about death he

57:20

wrote stuff like to disregard and

57:22

walk over this his own authority

57:25

like as far as Erville's authority is an act

57:28

of treason against heaven that carries

57:30

the penalty of death in this world then

57:32

he ordered the assassination of his brother ten days later

57:35

and his faithful listens and they

57:38

obey the word of God August

57:40

20th 1972 49 year old Joel the Baron is murdered in Ensenada

57:44

Baja California he fucking did it

57:47

has own brother murdered for not letting him take over his

57:49

cult Erville's right-hand man

57:51

Dan Jordan in an accomplice Andres

57:54

the rot a Orista lured

57:56

Joel and his son out to the band in shack they

57:59

then separated the pair and once they got Joel

58:01

alone, Dan and his accomplice first beat him with

58:03

a chair leg, then shot him. They

58:06

lured Joel and his 14-year-old son, Ivan, to the

58:08

shack under the pretense of picking up a car.

58:11

Ivan waited outside while his dad went inside supposedly

58:13

to grab it. Ivan later reported

58:15

that he heard someone start to shout, Kill him, followed

58:18

by gunshots. Then he saw

58:20

the two men speed off in their car and he ran inside

58:22

and found his dad's body. Joel had been shot

58:24

twice in the head. Father, prophet,

58:27

is dead. Authorities

58:29

of the church of the firstborn went to the authorities

58:31

and told the police that Erville was behind the murders.

58:33

One of Joel's followers claimed he saw Dan Jordan with

58:35

Joel just before he was killed. Baja

58:38

police started an investigation and began searching

58:40

for Erville, Dan Jordan, and Andres Zarate

58:43

Arista, but all three had done on the run.

58:45

Now for the next few months, Erville, his many wives,

58:47

and his many, many kids moved

58:50

constantly to avoid the police. Meanwhile,

58:52

back at the firstborn beach cult, Verlond

58:54

the Baron became the new leader of the church of the

58:56

firstborn. He knew Erville was going to come after him and

58:58

try and kill him. So he traveled

59:01

often and switched cars to ensure no one knew where he

59:03

was staying. His family is

59:05

just like a little tiny bit dysfunctional. Soon

59:09

Verlond could relax though. In

59:11

this case, the manhunt for Erville didn't last too

59:13

long. And you'll

59:15

find out why right after the second

59:17

of two mid-show sponsored breaks. And

59:21

I'm back. And now let's see how this

59:23

manhunt for Erville the Baron is going. December

59:28

1, 1972, Erville walks into the

59:30

police station in Ensenada with two lawyers and

59:32

demands that charges against him be

59:34

dropped. Erville said he was sick

59:36

and tired of running, needed to get back to taking care of his

59:38

church. And the police, they didn't

59:41

give a shit about his church because they hadn't

59:43

been brainwashed. He was just some random dipshit to them. So

59:45

instead of dropping charges, they threw him in jail for a

59:48

year while he waited

59:50

for his trial. So his plan, you

59:52

know, it backfired just a little bit. What an

59:54

emotional roller coaster, just walking in. Hey, I'm

59:57

sick of this persecution. All right, demand to

59:59

drop the charge. Do you know who I am? Get your hands

1:00:01

off me. Hey, do you know who I am? And then he just

1:00:03

sit in the cell area, be like, ah, that's, come on. What's going

1:00:05

on now? During his

1:00:07

time in prison, his mother, Ma, wrote him

1:00:10

a letter telling him that he

1:00:12

should be placed in a mental institution. He has a

1:00:14

tough, you know, couple months. Now he thinks

1:00:16

he's, they're just going to drop the charges and send it

1:00:18

to him in jail. And then, you know,

1:00:20

he's feeling down, but he's like, oh, my mom wrote me.

1:00:23

Then she's like, you're fucking nuts. You

1:00:26

should never be unlocked. You should never be

1:00:28

out in the public again. Thanks, ma'am. Also,

1:00:30

she is right. Erbil

1:00:33

LeBaron was convicted of being the intellectual author

1:00:36

of Joel's murder on November 12th, 1973. He

1:00:39

was sentenced to 12 years in prison. Doesn't feel like much. He

1:00:42

would have been given a stiff sentence, but prosecutors

1:00:44

couldn't conclusively place him at the crime scene, even

1:00:46

though there were witnesses. Okay. Well,

1:00:49

I guess they couldn't, no, I'm sorry. There were witnesses for his assassin.

1:00:52

I don't know. I got confused there for a second.

1:00:54

Now he was not at the crime scene. Sentencing

1:00:57

wouldn't matter anyway. He's not going to serve the 12

1:00:59

years. Just two months later, two

1:01:01

months, goes from 12 years to two months. He's released

1:01:03

from prison, February 14th, 1974. What

1:01:06

the heck? What's going on? Well,

1:01:09

he converted the entire prison staff and they refused

1:01:11

to keep their new God locked up. No.

1:01:14

A Supreme Court overturned the verdict because the co-defendants who

1:01:16

killed Joel were not present at the trial. Some kind

1:01:19

of technicality. It seems fishy. New

1:01:21

York Times reported that he may have

1:01:24

paid a bribe to secure his release.

1:01:26

That sounds more correct. After

1:01:29

he was released, Erville left Mexico, traveled to Yuma, Arizona,

1:01:31

met up with some of his followers there. They

1:01:33

began calling him new honorific, such as

1:01:36

Lord Anointed. That's nice. One

1:01:38

mighty and strong, the prophet of God, and

1:01:41

the best boy who always goes pee pee in the

1:01:43

potty. Maybe not the last one. Erville

1:01:46

was paranoid that Joel's followers would try to retaliate, so

1:01:48

he started carrying a gun. He required

1:01:50

his wives and kids to take marksmanship classes from

1:01:52

a follower of his who served in Vietnam. If

1:01:55

his brother, Verlon, was going to try and kill him,

1:01:58

well, he'd have to kill all his wives and kids first. to get to

1:02:00

him. Meanwhile, Verlon

1:02:02

LeBaron was now hiding out way down in

1:02:04

Nicaragua because he feared Erville was going to

1:02:06

kill him. So much brother on

1:02:08

brother, profit on profit action in this suck. Why

1:02:11

can't every dipshit cult leader have

1:02:13

some dipshit brothers who are also cult leaders?

1:02:16

It makes all this that much

1:02:18

more entertaining. In May of 1974, Erville

1:02:20

publishes another pamphlet. Cult leaders love a

1:02:22

pamphlet. This one is ominously

1:02:24

titled Hour of

1:02:26

Crisis, Day of

1:02:29

Vengeance. It's a great name.

1:02:31

It's not like the title of an action

1:02:33

movie from the 1980s. Coming

1:02:37

this summer, it's Hour

1:02:39

of Crisis, Day of

1:02:41

Vengeance. Starring Sylvester Stallone

1:02:43

as Kurt Sharp, once

1:02:45

LA's finest homicide detective, now

1:02:47

suspended from the force for fussed up one

1:02:50

too many fussed-ass bad guys. Hey

1:02:52

yo, what do you want me to do?

1:02:54

Hold the hand? We need a bedtime story?

1:02:56

The bad guy! Also

1:02:58

starring Steven Seagal as the Razor, an

1:03:00

underworld crime boss who was just kidnapped

1:03:02

a bunch of hostages, including Kurt Sharp.

1:03:05

Yeah, I'm a bad guy. I wasn't

1:03:08

afraid to slice anyone standing

1:03:10

in my way. The Razor

1:03:12

has given the city just one hour to keep the hostages

1:03:14

alive by giving him and

1:03:16

his thugs a billion dollars. It's

1:03:18

an hour of crisis that's

1:03:20

about to turn into a day of

1:03:23

vengeance. This film was rated R

1:03:25

and not suitable for all audiences. Erville's

1:03:28

Worthy Riding. I want to see that movie. Erville's

1:03:31

Worthy Riding was difficult to understand, but

1:03:33

the basic message was that Erville demanded

1:03:35

ties from his congregation. No exceptions! Also,

1:03:39

not cool to pay ties to my

1:03:41

steward brother's fake ass prophet church either.

1:03:45

He wrote, it is a criminal offense, punishable

1:03:48

by death. I feel like all his punishments are just death.

1:03:50

He skips everything else, just goes to death. It

1:03:52

is a punishable offense, criminal offense, punishable by

1:03:55

death, for to lighten people to pay ties

1:03:57

and offerings to thieves and robbers and fundamentalist

1:04:00

leaders. The

1:04:03

sword of vengeance will hang over the heads of all those

1:04:05

who should fail to hear the word of God. Willful failure

1:04:08

to comply with the book's

1:04:10

minimum requirement constitutes

1:04:19

the crime of rebellion against

1:04:21

God. Coming this summer, rebellion

1:04:23

against God. A

1:04:26

few months later, in October of

1:04:28

1974, now prolific author, prolific pamphlet

1:04:30

author, Erville and murderous henchman

1:04:33

Dan Jordan, these fucking intellectuals,

1:04:36

co-author another pamphlet called A Contest at

1:04:38

Law. This awesome

1:04:40

text proclaimed God's constitutional law

1:04:42

which requires the execution of impostors and

1:04:44

criminal ecclesiastical leaders who take a course

1:04:47

to deceive mankind. Okay,

1:04:49

a lot of execution talk

1:04:52

around Erville. When Verlon's followers did

1:04:54

not turn their ties over to the Church of

1:04:56

the Lamb of God, Erville

1:04:58

decided they had to now destroy the

1:05:01

Los Molinos settlement. Once

1:05:04

again, the faithful heeded the word

1:05:07

of their God. I love how

1:05:09

they just keep getting crazier. December

1:05:11

26, 1974, a

1:05:13

group of Erville's followers head over to

1:05:15

the Los Molinas colony on Erville's

1:05:17

orders. There's 30 families living there

1:05:19

at this time. Erville's

1:05:22

followers launch Molotov cocktails

1:05:25

at a tower at other buildings, including a house where

1:05:27

members are preparing to hold a meeting. Residents rush outside

1:05:29

to get away from the fire, try to stop the

1:05:31

flames from destroying

1:05:33

their community. Then members of

1:05:35

Erville's fucking goon church start

1:05:38

firing into the crowd. What the fuck is happening? It's

1:05:40

a cult war. How

1:05:43

did we not suck this topic already

1:05:45

years ago? 19-year-old Monazs Menendez

1:05:47

and 24-year-old Edmundo Aguilar

1:05:49

were killed. 19 more

1:05:52

are injured. Multiple homes and buildings are burned to

1:05:54

the ground. And once again,

1:05:56

the first-borners knew exactly who was behind this

1:05:58

attack. They're Jordan and

1:06:00

two other men with the main suspects

1:06:02

and they flee the country once again.

1:06:05

The police suspected they had gone to San Diego

1:06:07

because one first born or said that Athens or

1:06:10

died. Some his followers maintain homes in San Diego

1:06:12

and Los Los Angeles. I would say visit on

1:06:14

with his. After the success with

1:06:16

that. Herbal. He. makes

1:06:18

some new goals himself, right? Disease

1:06:20

is right as a high right now.

1:06:22

Bagels, Does does

1:06:25

desecrated but also knows no shortage

1:06:27

of ambition or he decided that

1:06:29

is Trudy to take over the

1:06:31

Mexican government. All of it. Seriously.

1:06:33

This real plan of his. Guys. Guys

1:06:35

Guys were destroyed by brothers

1:06:38

charts. How easy that he and he's

1:06:40

a profit. Household or could it

1:06:42

to take over all Mexico? Those. Do

1:06:44

That. Stuff was done adult subjects,

1:06:47

Ah said once they have been all of

1:06:50

Mexico you know to their fucking nice. They.

1:06:53

Would take over that states, then use all

1:06:55

of our powerful weapons to take over the

1:06:57

entire world. His. Mom was

1:06:59

right. He. Said been put in Muslims

1:07:01

whose forever. Was. Ruled

1:07:03

world. using. Force everyone to belong to

1:07:05

the Church of the Lamb of God or be

1:07:08

blood a town. Glory be to Gilly Add. Onto.

1:07:10

Reside blessedly the fruits. Are

1:07:13

you going to do this? Even those governors This is mainly

1:07:15

of his wives and kids. Are.

1:07:17

You were to take over Mexico or he

1:07:19

avoided Mexican police herbal focus on make his

1:07:21

cult members lives hell. Herbal

1:07:23

Control all romantic places within the Colt.

1:07:25

The first pic of any women are

1:07:27

and he decided whose daughter's would marry

1:07:29

and who everyone. else with. Url

1:07:32

tightness in full by them nichols contact with

1:07:34

others outside the church. Wrote. Them

1:07:37

down from pure exhaustion rises. Typical called

1:07:39

stop by delivering hours long sermons, instilled

1:07:41

fear by telling them they're being hunted

1:07:44

by religious government assassins. They can only

1:07:46

survive as a stuff together. He removed

1:07:48

his children from schools offer physicists grade

1:07:50

didn't want them to start question a

1:07:53

lifestyle. Got. Caught. Caught

1:07:55

the Mormon Manson has gone

1:07:57

full crazy. and

1:07:59

then she group moved to Utah, Mexico had too much

1:08:01

heat right now. Utah, Erville

1:08:03

visited other polygamous leaders and

1:08:06

started demanding 10%

1:08:08

ties from each of them, insisting

1:08:10

he was their true profit. And

1:08:13

you know, most of them didn't take him seriously. This

1:08:15

is a new move, right? A cult leader approaching

1:08:17

other cult leaders, and be like, Hey,

1:08:19

give me some of your cult money. You

1:08:22

know who I am? I burned my own brother's

1:08:24

cult to the fucking ground, right? Not

1:08:26

fucking playing. The

1:08:28

first born community after I killed him. The first

1:08:30

born community in Los Molinos was still living in

1:08:33

fear after the second massive attack. I bet. And

1:08:36

now they have armed themselves and organized patrols.

1:08:39

Verlon is hiding out in San Diego, as

1:08:41

reported by some of Erville's spies. Some

1:08:43

of Erville's few remaining followers not sure the exact

1:08:45

number. They now start having some doubts about

1:08:47

him. One of them

1:08:50

was a Noemi Zarata, wife of one of

1:08:52

his associates. She complained about all the violence,

1:08:54

too much violence. And she

1:08:56

threatened to give Erville's location to the police. And

1:08:59

that was a very dumb thing to do. You

1:09:02

don't threaten a power hungry, homicidal paranoid

1:09:04

maniac with a God complex like that.

1:09:07

You just go straight to the police. And

1:09:09

then you never come home, right? You fucking

1:09:11

hide. With the blessing

1:09:13

of Noemi's husband, Erville now arranges

1:09:15

for his 10th wife, Vonda White,

1:09:17

to assassinate Noemi to murder her.

1:09:20

Vonda and Noemi were friends, so it was easy for

1:09:23

Vonda to convince her to go for a car ride

1:09:25

one evening in January of 1975. The

1:09:27

women drove to a canyon in the foothills of the San

1:09:29

Pedro Mountains where Vonda talked Noemi to get out of the

1:09:31

car going for the walk. Then she

1:09:33

shot her friend five times. She had

1:09:35

to. Gods will be done. And

1:09:38

she went back home picked up another one of Erville's

1:09:40

wives named Yolanda Rioso. And she

1:09:42

went back and helped Vonda dig a grave to bury

1:09:45

the body. Noemi's body has

1:09:47

never been found. In April of

1:09:49

1975, several polygamous leaders

1:09:51

in and around Salt Lake City received threatening notes

1:09:53

from the more and more murderous Church of the

1:09:55

Lamb of God. It's fucking

1:09:59

you just write letters. now. Hey, give me your money.

1:10:01

Hey, cult guy, I want some of your cold money. One

1:10:05

note said, Repent ye therefore or suffer destruction

1:10:07

at the hand of God. There

1:10:09

shall be left neither root nor branch

1:10:12

repent immediately. I've never

1:10:14

heard of one cult going after so many other cults. One

1:10:16

of the polygamists, Erville attempted to extort was 48

1:10:18

year old Bob Simons, who lived on a ranch

1:10:20

near Grandville, Utah with two wives. Simons

1:10:23

also believed he was a prophet, of

1:10:25

course, all these dipshit perverts

1:10:27

are prophets. And he refuses

1:10:30

to join Erville's church or to give him ties. Erville

1:10:33

had visited him several times posing as a

1:10:35

mere disciple of the church of the Lamb

1:10:37

of God, not as a prophet. Two

1:10:39

men got into some heater arguments over theological differences. At

1:10:41

one point, they actually got to

1:10:43

a resting match that was witnessed

1:10:46

by their multiple wives. Why this big

1:10:48

deal? They're rassle over which crazy fuck

1:10:50

God's most favorite prophet. When

1:10:53

Erville got whooped, he popped up and

1:10:55

turned his fist to his wives. Simons

1:10:57

told Erville to get the heck off his property. Now, Erville

1:11:00

returned to his followers and told them

1:11:02

that God now wanted blood atonement for

1:11:04

Bob Simons. Here we go. They've

1:11:07

already been murdered. Now they're actually saying the words blood atonement.

1:11:10

Erville's followers now purchase pickaxes, shovels, chemicals

1:11:12

that speed up the decomposition, and

1:11:15

they go dig a hole out in the desert. Luckily,

1:11:18

Simons caught wind that Erville and his men were coming

1:11:20

for him. He'd been tipped off

1:11:23

by one of Erville's followers, a man named Lloyd Sullivan, who

1:11:25

called him a few days earlier, told him that

1:11:27

he now believes Simons was a true prophet. I

1:11:30

mean, he won the rassle match for heck's sake.

1:11:33

And he knew some tribal chiefs who were searching for

1:11:35

a white prophet who would lead them to salvation. Simons

1:11:38

wanted to, I think it's Simons. Yeah,

1:11:41

Simons, Simons, maybe Simons. Simons

1:11:43

wanted to meet the chiefs and he gave

1:11:45

Erville's traitorous follower some gas money to pick

1:11:47

him up and drive him. On

1:11:50

April 23rd, 1975, Lloyd Sullivan drives

1:11:52

Bob Simmons out into the desert. I don't know if

1:11:54

it's Simons or Simons. I can't make them online. And

1:11:56

once out of the car, two young men approaching from behind

1:11:59

and shoot him in the back of the Ah, he was

1:12:01

not lucky. He'd been double-crossed. Lloyd

1:12:03

was still loyal to the one true

1:12:05

polygamous, horny prophet, Erville LeBaron. Bob's

1:12:08

body, Bob Simmons' body, Bob Simon's

1:12:10

body, neither one of those bodies have ever been found.

1:12:14

Riding high on this epic wind, Erville dares

1:12:16

to return to Mexico in early 1976. I'm

1:12:19

sure he's wanted there, but also it's not

1:12:21

going to take over itself. Come on. He

1:12:23

has to get down there, kick off his plan. He's got

1:12:25

to start taking over the world. But

1:12:27

then, you know, Mexico puts a kink in

1:12:30

those plants by arresting him. In the state of Chihuahua,

1:12:32

March 6, 1976. Accomplice,

1:12:35

Andres Zorada-Arista was arrested with

1:12:37

him. Erville was wanted for

1:12:39

the 1974 shootings, and Zorada was

1:12:42

sought for Joel's murder. Once again, Erville

1:12:44

was charged with being the intellectual author of the raid

1:12:46

at Los Molinos. He spends eight

1:12:48

months in jail this time before charges

1:12:50

are dismissed due to a lack of evidence,

1:12:53

or maybe he bribed officers. A

1:12:55

police official later said he was found guilty

1:12:57

but only had to pay a $4,000 fine.

1:13:00

That doesn't seem right. Mexico

1:13:03

in 1970 sounds like it was a great place to

1:13:05

get away with murder, having flashbacks of

1:13:07

the Lady of Silence suck right now. In

1:13:10

late spring of 1976, Erville, while still in

1:13:12

prison, began plotting against one of his generals,

1:13:14

another Vietnam veteran named Dean Vest. Dean

1:13:17

lived in San Diego and had taught Erville and his

1:13:19

followers how to use explosives and

1:13:21

other weapons. He helped plan the Los

1:13:23

Molinos raid. So why does Erville want this

1:13:25

guy dead? Well, Dean's

1:13:27

wife disliked Erville's church because

1:13:30

she was not crazy. She was not brainwashed. And

1:13:33

after years of asking her husband to leave, she finally took the

1:13:35

kids and moved to Washington state by herself. Dean

1:13:37

was devastated, and he started spending a

1:13:39

lot of his time working on a barge. That's

1:13:42

right, a barge instead of going to

1:13:44

church. He mentioned he wanted to sail up the coast

1:13:46

and find his family. Okay,

1:13:48

there'll be a different way to do that.

1:13:50

You could have bought a

1:13:52

car and driven up there instead

1:13:55

of building a barge by yourself. There's a

1:13:57

lot of maniacs in this episode. Time To find my kids. Now, for

1:13:59

the next episode of the Los Molinos raid. The Nerf. Herder.

1:14:01

Build myself a barge. The.

1:14:04

Do they live on the islands Oh no

1:14:06

noted above and watches their wife. Or.

1:14:08

Just. Herbal that were

1:14:10

this worry that of d left

1:14:12

on his barge suffers would follow.

1:14:14

Are these people intervals eyes the

1:14:16

that violate civil law. Now.

1:14:18

He must be blowed. Url

1:14:21

once again as tends Weiss and number

1:14:23

one assassin apparently want a white. Novelist

1:14:26

Nevada that I'm aware of to kill him. To

1:14:29

her live near San Diego. wouldn't otherwise

1:14:31

have multiple children and Dean sometimes visit

1:14:33

them to have a home cooked meal.

1:14:35

Once again, Vonda obeys or Lord Master.

1:14:38

Thirty. Six year old Dean Grover Vast is

1:14:40

murdered in San Diego. June Sixteen, Nineteen Seventy

1:14:42

Six That same day. How fucked up is

1:14:44

this? didn't receive news and his wife and

1:14:46

daughter were injured in a car Since. And.

1:14:49

He booked a flight to Seattle to see them

1:14:51

immediately and he was on his way to the

1:14:53

airport. He stopped yvonne is home to because of

1:14:56

belonging to the zebra the house. He told her

1:14:58

about the car. since Vonda now words do you

1:15:00

reconcile with his wife it would return to the

1:15:02

colony. So. He decides he's kill him right

1:15:04

there there. She chats them

1:15:06

are kids he loves a Once they're done

1:15:09

seasons the kids upstairs and grabs revolver phone

1:15:11

upstairs dresser. As these general believes,

1:15:13

he asked to take a look at a washing machine. He.

1:15:15

Did says nice guy but he can't find the

1:15:18

issues with it. says it's not broken that he's

1:15:20

done by the kitchen sink to wash up before

1:15:22

he leaves to help his family. To.

1:15:24

See his daughters in the hospital. That.

1:15:27

Never happened because Vonda came up behind him and shot him

1:15:29

in the abdomen, then the chest, that in the head. Who.

1:15:32

Saw the liver long and behind left

1:15:34

ear than va to call the police

1:15:36

and told dispatch dispatcher shots of in

1:15:38

fact. Police. Were suspicious of

1:15:40

her told of the her to same town but

1:15:42

she took her kids and fled to Denver. Were

1:15:44

some the other wives and solar already living. Fuck.

1:15:47

Von to football that fuck Earl. Of.

1:15:50

The both die because of So Zola. Of

1:15:53

and White will be charged with murder of Dean

1:15:55

Grub Best but not for two years until July.

1:15:57

Nineteen Seventy Eight. of i that

1:15:59

she's seventy seven Then Erville's back out of jail and

1:16:01

the Colts appliance repair business, finally making some

1:16:04

good coin, which allows them

1:16:06

to establish additional stores in other states, including in

1:16:08

Dallas. Dan Jordan was

1:16:10

in charge of the Denver faction of Erville's Colts and

1:16:12

managed one of these stores there. According to Celia LeBaron,

1:16:14

Dan was a tyrant over

1:16:17

the child laborers and would call them stuff like,

1:16:19

lazy motherfucking sons of bitches and

1:16:21

tell them to get off their lazy asses and

1:16:23

get to work done. Yeah,

1:16:25

totally. I mean, that sounds like what one of

1:16:27

God's most faceless Ervents would call kids, working in

1:16:29

a sweatshop, lazy motherfucking sons of

1:16:31

bitches. In April

1:16:34

of 1977, Erville decided another one of his followers

1:16:36

needed to be, uh, can you guess? Yeah,

1:16:39

blood-atoned. Yeah, killed. This

1:16:41

time the victim was his own daughter,

1:16:43

Rebecca. This dude was truly

1:16:45

a monster, maybe worse than Dick Bird from,

1:16:49

you know, last episode. Come on. Are

1:16:51

you thinking about a stinky hairbrush right now? Father

1:16:54

of the century, Erville, had given Rebecca

1:16:56

to a man named Victor, uh, China,

1:16:59

and she was only 15 years old. She hated

1:17:01

the marriage because Victor was distant and she didn't get along

1:17:03

with his first wife. She was also forced to

1:17:05

move to Texas and leave a child she already had behind.

1:17:08

It's a sadness stacked on more sadness here. Rebecca

1:17:11

threatened to go to the police because she believed Erville wouldn't

1:17:13

hurt her. Rebecca struggled not only with

1:17:15

being a plural wife, but with mental illness. I

1:17:18

wonder how much life she had been

1:17:20

kind of subjected to, uh, to live, factored into her

1:17:22

being mentally ill. According to

1:17:24

Erville's stepdaughter Faye, Rebecca had done stuff like running

1:17:27

around the neighborhood naked. They believe Rebecca was mentally

1:17:29

ill. Colton General worried that she was

1:17:31

going to reveal their secrets. So

1:17:33

one day in April of 1977, Erville told

1:17:35

Rebecca his teen daughter that she could go

1:17:37

get her son in Denver. Now

1:17:40

Erville's stepson, Eddie Morrison, and his brother-in-law, Dwayne

1:17:42

China, these people are probably all related to

1:17:44

one another in some way or another by

1:17:46

now, drove her to the Dallas airport.

1:17:49

Rebecca, who was three months pregnant with her second

1:17:51

child, Erville's grandbaby, planned to take her

1:17:53

son to Mexico and stay with her mother until she

1:17:55

delivered the baby. But Rebecca never saw her

1:17:57

son again. Dwayne China and Eddie Morrison.

1:18:00

Took her to a nice little road outside of Dallas. Will

1:18:02

He strangled her to death with a rope. Back

1:18:04

have fought them both as you pull in the rope would be

1:18:06

she was not strong enough. Her body

1:18:08

was broadly dumped in a state park and Oklahoma.

1:18:11

but she was. ah, she's still never been found.

1:18:14

Pocket. Herbal the Bear Men, the Mormon

1:18:16

Manson was worse. Than Charles Manson.

1:18:19

Or of his wife Delfina found other

1:18:21

daughter was murdered on his orders Lily

1:18:23

neither one of doping his daughters who

1:18:25

was married to Martina brother evicted sooner

1:18:27

Worn Delfina that that if she didn't

1:18:29

accept the righteousness of Rebecca's death. She.

1:18:32

Would also be marked for blood atonement.

1:18:35

They'll. Be nobly Margolin. We're going to kill her

1:18:37

to see her youngest daughter fled to Mexico and

1:18:39

went into hiding. A shit

1:18:41

show all this is it just keeps

1:18:43

going. In the late

1:18:46

Spring of Nineteen Seventy Seven. Url recruited

1:18:48

his thirteenth Weiss. Rena. Chino

1:18:50

to kill for him. He's. Fifty

1:18:52

two years old. She's nineteen. This

1:18:55

url married Reno when she was are just

1:18:57

sixteen and he'd been sexually abused her since

1:19:00

she was twelve. And. He was forty that.

1:19:02

To. The to register that says man take over

1:19:05

the world. Or she rebelled against

1:19:07

the idea of married him. Bob's. It

1:19:09

was disgusting but was forced into it. Really?

1:19:11

To wrote that herbal to not get an a

1:19:14

wretch their wedding night and then when they did

1:19:16

consummate the marriage she was disgusted. Zero.

1:19:18

To see quote. Had to close my eyes,

1:19:20

pretend I was somewhere else or he was someone

1:19:23

else. I would often turn my head away or

1:19:25

hold my breasts so enough to smell his breath.

1:19:27

And always reeked of something awful, usually coffee.

1:19:30

He kissed like a fish. Very stiff,

1:19:32

lived in a way that really disgusted

1:19:34

me. Dead. On the most. Ah,

1:19:38

but you know she was also brainwash was so

1:19:40

Young's really did believe he was God's one to

1:19:42

profit these kids and help. Because.

1:19:44

She believed he was. Ah, despite be the

1:19:46

fucking gross skeevy do the he was also

1:19:48

a profit. Rena was no beating power. In

1:19:51

one interview she explained how she learned about the man

1:19:53

she would one day till. He.

1:19:55

was keeping the paranoia going we have to buy

1:19:57

weapons and get ready to fill these prophecies Erville

1:20:00

announced that God had told him that there was another couple

1:20:02

of people that had to be eliminated. And

1:20:05

that's when I first heard the name Rulon Allred. I

1:20:08

had never heard of the man before. Erville explained that

1:20:10

he was the leader of a rival polygamous group. That

1:20:13

this man was leading his people astray and God

1:20:15

wanted him out of the way. The

1:20:17

cult culling continues. I

1:20:19

do hate Erville, but at least

1:20:21

some of the people he's having killed were

1:20:24

also pieces of shit. Small silver lining

1:20:26

to all of this. Then 72

1:20:28

year old Rulon Allred was a

1:20:31

natural pathic physician, chiropractor, and Mormon

1:20:33

fundamentalist who was also the leader

1:20:35

of a polygamous group based in Utah. So

1:20:37

cult leader. So another walking turned. According

1:20:40

to his son Jerry, he had 48 kids

1:20:42

with seven wives. Okay. Allred

1:20:46

was the leader of the Apostolic United Brethren Cult.

1:20:49

They fucking suck and they are still around. They're still

1:20:51

about 10,000 members. A

1:20:53

group riddled with pedophiles to this day. The

1:20:56

Apostolic United Brethren is a fundamentalist polygamous group

1:20:58

with a temple in Mexico, an

1:21:00

endowment house in Utah, and other locations Wyoming, Arizona,

1:21:02

and Montana. And it would be awesome if they

1:21:04

were all burned to the ground. Members

1:21:07

call their group the work, the

1:21:09

priesthood, or just the group. Some

1:21:12

outsiders call it the Allred group because of

1:21:14

their former president. What makes them

1:21:17

unique compared to other FLDS cults is

1:21:19

that they believe the LDS church is still

1:21:21

legitimate, but it's just gone astray. One

1:21:24

religious scholar described the group as a more

1:21:26

liberal branch of the fundamentalist

1:21:28

movement because they allow sex outside of procreation.

1:21:31

Oh, wow. How tolerant. How progressive. This

1:21:35

group became widely known because the TLC

1:21:37

shitty reality show Sister Wives, Rulon

1:21:40

had between 2,000 and 2,500 followers. He

1:21:42

was still around. Rulon and

1:21:44

Erville were actually once friends. In

1:21:47

the 50s, Allred had come down to Mexico

1:21:49

to hide from authorities within colonial Lebaren to

1:21:51

avoid being arrested for being a creepy perv for having a bunch

1:21:54

of young wives. Fuck all

1:21:56

these clowns. But now, Erville wanted him dead because

1:21:58

he refused to give a tithe. to

1:22:00

the righteous church, the Church of the Lamb of God, of

1:22:02

course. Erville declared...

1:22:04

He's like a fucking weird mafia guy,

1:22:06

just, you know, asking for protection money

1:22:09

from all these other cultures. Erville

1:22:11

declared that Allred was guilty of character

1:22:13

assassination, which was punishable by death under

1:22:16

his civil law. In reality, he

1:22:18

was just jealous of Allred's much bigger following. Erville

1:22:21

called a meeting of his inner circle, told him he had

1:22:23

a divine revelation, of course. God told him, you know, that

1:22:26

Roulin needed to die. He needed two

1:22:28

women and asked the group who they thought they should send.

1:22:31

He selected his child bride, Rina, and

1:22:33

his stepdaughter, 17-year-old Ramona Marston. Ramona,

1:22:35

one of Dan Jordan's plural child wives.

1:22:38

Rina later said she was motivated to do what had to

1:22:41

be done, because she didn't want to be punished. She

1:22:43

believed she would burn in hell if she didn't follow

1:22:45

God's call for her to kill Roulin. On

1:22:48

May 10, 1977, Rina,

1:22:50

China, and Ramona Marston entered Roulin, Allred's

1:22:53

medical office in Murray, Utah, walked

1:22:55

up with the cult leader, and shot that pedo to death,

1:22:58

which is, you know, good. In the book

1:23:00

she later wrote, called The Blood Covenant, Rina wrote that

1:23:02

Erville told him to ensure Allred was dead. Rina

1:23:05

wrote that she and Ramona met some of Erville's men

1:23:07

a few blocks from Allred's offices. They gave the women

1:23:09

a gun. Ramona gave them her baby to watch while

1:23:11

they committed the murder. The

1:23:14

women disguised themselves as wigs, sunglasses, bulky clothing,

1:23:17

carried their guns in their jacket pockets. They

1:23:19

parked behind Allred's office and walked into the waiting room.

1:23:21

Rina wrote, there were three other

1:23:23

people in the waiting room, a man sitting by himself, and

1:23:26

a couple who looked like they were married. Ramona went over

1:23:28

and sat down next to the lone woman, while

1:23:30

I walked over to the glass cubicle where the office

1:23:32

was and peered inside. As I looked

1:23:34

at the door, Dr. Allred was coming out of one of the

1:23:37

examining rooms. He was no more

1:23:39

than three to five feet away from me. I knew the moment had

1:23:41

come to do what I was sent there to do. Reaching

1:23:43

into the pocket of the blue park I was wearing, I

1:23:45

pulled out the gun and fired at him. There

1:23:48

were seven shots in my clip and I emptied it. I

1:23:50

heard him gasp, oh my God! Once as he

1:23:53

fell to the floor bleeding, Allred's wife

1:23:55

Melba, one of his wives, ran

1:23:57

into the room after she heard the shots and shouted, what are you doing? What do you think

1:23:59

you're doing? doing? She

1:24:01

grabbed Farina, but she missed and she and

1:24:03

Romona got up and walked to and then

1:24:05

out of the door, but then they weren't sure he was

1:24:07

dead, so they ran back inside and Reena shot him in

1:24:10

the face. Rulon Allred was

1:24:12

shot a total of seven times. He was super

1:24:14

dead. And you know, again, good. He

1:24:17

would never be able to take another child, bride that creepy fuck. Girls

1:24:20

now met Erville's men a few blocks from

1:24:23

the office where they handed over their disguises,

1:24:25

retrieved Ramona's baby and fled. The

1:24:27

police found casings and bullets at the crime scene, but there

1:24:29

were no prints on the shelves. Initially,

1:24:31

the theory was that two feminists killed

1:24:34

Rulon Allred because they disagreed with his

1:24:36

polygamous beliefs. His family,

1:24:38

though, they thought Erville was involved because

1:24:40

he had threatened Allred in the past. Allred

1:24:42

was recipient of one of his crazy

1:24:45

pay me ties or else letters in

1:24:47

April of 1977. And shortly before the murder,

1:24:50

some of Erville's followers had stopped by and extorted

1:24:52

and threatened him or threatened threatened to

1:24:55

just threatened it. It is dim. No, they

1:24:57

threatened him. Of course, he doubt

1:25:00

Erville focuses on his next intended victim, a

1:25:02

man he has wanted to kill for years.

1:25:04

Another one of his brothers. There

1:25:07

was a bigger purpose to Erville's plot to kill Rulon Allred.

1:25:09

It was to lead him to killing

1:25:11

Verlon. Verlon was close friends

1:25:13

with Verlon. Erville knew he would attend

1:25:15

the funeral and he planned to have one of his followers

1:25:17

there to kill Verlon. This guy's like

1:25:19

half coal eater and half mob boss. Just

1:25:22

constantly calling out hits and again

1:25:24

asking for protection money. Sure

1:25:26

enough, Verlon did come out of hiding to attend

1:25:29

Rulon Allred's funeral and three of

1:25:31

Erville's followers went to the funeral armed with

1:25:33

automatic rifles. But there was

1:25:35

a bunch of police there and they left without

1:25:37

even firing the shots. And then those same followers

1:25:39

were worried that they were going to be killed for

1:25:41

not completing their God given task. Meanwhile,

1:25:44

Rina and Ramona are now hiding out in Mexico

1:25:46

to avoid the police. And

1:25:49

the police were looking for them. The police got their break

1:25:51

in the Allred murder when two men looking through a dumpster

1:25:53

found a grocery bag inside of which was a gun case

1:25:55

for a 38 Smith & Wesson. The

1:25:58

serial number traced to a gun dealer in Denver. A

1:26:00

week earlier, a woman named Nancy China, or

1:26:02

China, purchased the gun. Nancy

1:26:05

was married to Victor, led a younger sister

1:26:07

named Reena, who was married to Erville LeBaron.

1:26:10

This was the evidence the police needed to link Erville to

1:26:12

the murder. And now the FBI put Erville

1:26:14

on their 10 most wanted list. And

1:26:17

while searching for Erville, the police uncovered more

1:26:19

unsolved cases, like the disappearance of Rebecca LeBaron,

1:26:21

Erville's teen pregnant daughter that he had strangled.

1:26:24

Back to the all-red murder investigation, there were

1:26:26

multiple motels near Rulon's office. Erville

1:26:29

checked registrations from the day of the murder and

1:26:31

found a license for a vehicle registered to

1:26:34

Reena's father, Bud. The registration

1:26:36

was sent to an expert for handwriting analysis,

1:26:38

and the expert determined it was Reena's handwriting.

1:26:41

However, they couldn't find her to bring her in for questioning. Then

1:26:44

Erville's first wife, Delfina, and her 15-year-old

1:26:46

son, Isaac, come forward to talk about

1:26:48

the disappearance of Rebecca LeBaron. Delfina

1:26:50

was Rebecca's mom, and she'd been hiding out in

1:26:53

Mexico afraid Erville would come for her. What

1:26:55

a soap opera! How was Hollywood

1:26:57

not made this into a huge movie? How

1:27:00

was HBO or Netflix not created a serial drama

1:27:02

about all this? Delfina

1:27:04

and Isaac had a bad feeling that she had been murdered. They

1:27:07

worried Erville would kill them too because he had

1:27:09

threatened Isaac with death in the past. And

1:27:11

Isaac, to be clear, is his son. But you know, that doesn't

1:27:14

matter with him. Isaac claimed

1:27:16

he knew who killed Rulon all red, Reena

1:27:18

China and Ramona Marston. He

1:27:20

also named two men involved in the

1:27:22

murderous Los Molinos raid, Eddie

1:27:24

Marston and Mark China, Reena's brother. Mark

1:27:27

joined the cult when he was a boy and he was a loyal follower of

1:27:29

Erville. Isaac had been to the

1:27:31

meetings between Mark and Erville where they discussed killing people.

1:27:34

Now the walls look like they're finally starting

1:27:36

to close in on the Mormon Manson. And

1:27:38

this time if he's caught in America and now Mexico, you know,

1:27:41

he can't just bribe his way out of a murder conviction. Four

1:27:44

members of Erville's cult were arrested late September 1977 and

1:27:46

a fifth surrendered October

1:27:49

3rd of that year. Ramona and

1:27:51

Eddie Marston and Mark and Victor China all

1:27:53

picked up during police raids. Most

1:27:56

more people were still wanted including Reena and Erville

1:27:58

Liberian himself. September 15th. that

1:28:00

year, 11 members of the cult are

1:28:02

indicted in the all-red murder case. Then

1:28:04

in 1978, both Arena and Erville are

1:28:07

arrested during a police raid

1:28:09

in Catemaco, Mexico. Hey, I'm

1:28:11

Nimrod! Or maybe not. Oh,

1:28:14

shit. The Mexican police thought they

1:28:16

arrested Erville. They did not. Well, actually

1:28:18

they did, but then they let

1:28:20

him go on accident. For fuck's sake, it's a big

1:28:22

mess. Mexican federal police did

1:28:24

not believe that Erville was Erville. This

1:28:28

is such a weird blunder. They caught him, and,

1:28:31

you know, he didn't deny who he was, but then they're

1:28:33

like, nah, I don't think that's who you are. They thought

1:28:35

Dan Jordan was Erville, and at

1:28:37

a loyalty to his prophet, Dan was like, yeah, nah, you're

1:28:39

right, I am. I was trying to hide it, but I

1:28:41

am. And then the police

1:28:43

let Erville go, and they arrest

1:28:45

Dan, and Erville takes off. And Arena was

1:28:48

pissed. She talked to the Mexican police afterward, she laughed at

1:28:50

a sergeant saying, you had him right in your grasp, and

1:28:52

you didn't even know it! Now

1:28:54

the police, you know, are

1:28:57

looking for Erville all over again. Then

1:28:59

Ramona and Mark China Jumpale. Mark

1:29:02

is re-arrested in July of 1978, but Ramona,

1:29:04

still on the run. Crazy saga

1:29:06

continues. March 6,

1:29:08

1979, 20-year-old Arena, her brothers Mark and

1:29:10

Victor China and Erville's stepson Eddie Marston

1:29:12

go to trial for second-degree murder for

1:29:14

the death of Rulon Allred. They

1:29:17

were also being tried for attempted murder and conspiracy

1:29:19

for the plot to kill Verlon LeBaron. Victor

1:29:21

was only charged with attempted murder and conspiracy. Erville

1:29:25

was still at large at this time, keeping

1:29:27

spot in the U.S., but was believed to be hiding

1:29:29

in Mexico. Of course he's down in Mexico. Mexico's

1:29:31

been working out real well for him. The

1:29:33

police down there have been so ungodly terrible at

1:29:36

their jobs. It is no wonder that

1:29:38

he thought he could take that country over. Arena

1:29:41

testified under oath that she was

1:29:43

not involved in the murders. Witnesses were not able

1:29:45

to identify her because she concealed her features during

1:29:47

the shooting. A witness named

1:29:49

Donald Sullivan, however, pleaded guilty to conspiracy

1:29:52

and agreed to testify in exchange for immunity

1:29:54

from further prosecution. He

1:29:56

said he was part of a team of five who traveled

1:29:58

to Utah to kill Rulon Allred. and

1:30:00

that the shooters were Rina China

1:30:02

and Ramona Marston. On

1:30:05

March 20, 1979, all

1:30:07

four defendants are found not

1:30:09

guilty of all charges. Jerry

1:30:12

let him off. Probably got distracted by all

1:30:14

the insanity of this cult. Eleven

1:30:17

years later, 1990, Rina will publish her book,

1:30:19

The Blood Covenant, and in

1:30:21

it she will confess to committing this murder. Rina

1:30:24

was then later found liable for all of his death in a civil

1:30:26

suit in order to pay $52 million to his family. They

1:30:30

probably each only got like $100, a lot of people

1:30:33

in his family. Rina

1:30:35

again confessed to the murder in her deposition and

1:30:37

in TV interviews. The federal judge ruled that the

1:30:39

statute of limitations for wrongful death had expired in

1:30:41

1979, but Rina's

1:30:43

deliberate concealment of her role and her perjury at

1:30:45

trial made it impossible for Allred's family to know

1:30:47

before 1979 that she was the killer.

1:30:50

They did not know she killed him until she admitted to the shooting

1:30:52

in her book. Allred's family attorney said

1:30:54

that they didn't expect to make a lot of money. They

1:30:57

just wanted justice for Rulon and a judgment that would

1:30:59

take away any profits from her book. Not

1:31:02

sure how many books were sold, but Rina

1:31:04

didn't make any money off of it. She

1:31:06

is said to now be working to help children

1:31:08

who have suffered from involvement in polygamy, so another

1:31:11

little bright spot in this dark story. But

1:31:14

now back to the darkness. After

1:31:16

the acquittal, cult assassin Dan Jordan is released

1:31:18

from jail in Ensenada, Mexico. So

1:31:20

that's good. He's the guy who should definitely be free. He's

1:31:22

a good guy. And

1:31:24

then Erville, Mormon, motherfucking Manson, LeBaron, arrested

1:31:27

by the Mexican police again June 1, 1979, and they

1:31:29

keep him this time. So

1:31:32

that is good. He had been hiding out

1:31:34

in the mountains south of Mexico City. Ramona

1:31:36

Marston had still not been arrested.

1:31:39

She would never go to trial for the murder

1:31:41

of Rulon Allred despite being charged with murder and

1:31:44

conspiracy like the other defendants. Also

1:31:46

not sure where else to put this. But

1:31:49

before we get to Erville's trial, former follower

1:31:51

Lloyd Sullivan claimed he killed polygamous leader Robert

1:31:53

Simons, Simon Simmons, In

1:31:56

Grandville, Utah on Erville's orders along with Mark

1:31:58

China and Eddie Marston. right? Simmons

1:32:00

Simon's Auto Sequence or I did

1:32:03

one Simon's Killed in April versions

1:32:05

of the Bus. Sullivan

1:32:07

dad died before here once trial but did

1:32:09

tests by the hearing that herbal priests it's

1:32:11

able to cross him. Should receive

1:32:13

quotes hot lead. Cold. Steel

1:32:16

and a one way ticket to

1:32:18

hell. That. Probably is

1:32:20

actually how google docs. Are

1:32:22

The school has to hold the all time record.

1:32:25

For. Killing the most leaders and members

1:32:27

of other colts. The. Church

1:32:29

Dilemma God was in some ways the Dexter

1:32:31

Morgan of Colts. Are

1:32:34

Was Murder and conspiracy Trial starts May

1:32:36

twelfth, Nineteen eighty. And

1:32:38

skipping some boring procedural details More

1:32:40

May Twenty Eight, Nineteen Eighty Herbal

1:32:42

Lebaron is found guilty. Of.

1:32:44

First degree murder for ordered his followers

1:32:46

to kill Rule on All Red and

1:32:49

orchestrating the plot to assassinate his brother,

1:32:51

Burleigh. Hail Nimrod for real

1:32:53

now. And a general

1:32:55

sense into life in prison for three murder and

1:32:57

consecutive term of five years to life for conspiracy.

1:33:00

While in prison herbal will write a

1:33:02

foreigner page manifesto. As reprisal

1:33:04

is a lot practiced by pamphlets now

1:33:06

sorry for be book and is was

1:33:08

titled the book of the new Covets.

1:33:11

And. It will deal a lot. With.

1:33:13

More blood atonement. Those on Brand.

1:33:16

Or in it. He named his oldest son

1:33:18

Arturo Lebaron as his immediate success. Or Arturo

1:33:20

was the son of herbal in his first

1:33:23

wife Delfina. Manifesto also included

1:33:25

the hit list over fifty people on. Do.

1:33:28

While in prison right out of borderless. Other

1:33:30

thought that that. No one

1:33:32

thought to look at over. The.

1:33:34

Listen to the Prosecutor David Ya

1:33:36

com. Us President Jimmy Carter are

1:33:38

very church defectors include his former

1:33:40

assistant assassin Dead Jordan. Hellboy.

1:33:44

Sorely exhibitionists. A great American novel

1:33:46

August sixteen cited One: The great

1:33:48

Herbal The Baron The Mormon mans

1:33:50

God Great Prophet. Found. Dead

1:33:52

and sell it. You Just a prison. Is. Fifty

1:33:54

Six. Prison officials confirmed he

1:33:57

died of suicide. He left a note of said

1:33:59

i've gone to me my maker. Getting.

1:34:02

Him and Satan. I'll I'll assume by maker

1:34:04

human say that same had were made a series

1:34:06

that he does sound three notes in a cave

1:34:08

herbal me to death packed with some new woman

1:34:10

he met. That. Of url Julian

1:34:12

told the press. There. Was a gal he was

1:34:14

riding do and he said they will be together and a couple

1:34:17

of days. Do died

1:34:19

like to lift concentrated? just walk on.

1:34:22

Even. The Afl, Us, Is

1:34:24

cause of death was either self inflicted straight

1:34:26

to the throat, the classification or an overdose

1:34:28

over dose the L A Times reporter He

1:34:30

died of a heart attack. In the Bbc

1:34:32

reports he had a seizure. So. Reports

1:34:35

are all over the place. Detective Url

1:34:37

Julien said he suspected or who overdosed

1:34:39

or suffocated effort of push himself in

1:34:41

the throats all the muscles in his

1:34:43

throat were hemorrhage. Up

1:34:46

punches themselves in this throats to

1:34:48

kill themselves. Never. Heard that

1:34:50

one for. I would hope that this

1:34:52

is a is cover up and it one of

1:34:55

the guards are the prisoners murdered him. Guard

1:34:57

saw herbal doing pushups. It's exercising vigorously in

1:35:00

his cell. around one thirty am. he was

1:35:02

unconscious on the floor three thirty am. But

1:35:04

as wasn't cause for concern because he often

1:35:06

slept on the floor. Guards not

1:35:08

and resell until five thirty am. Herbal

1:35:11

had been depressed in recent weeks and it refused to

1:35:13

see one of his wives your recent visit because he

1:35:15

didn't feel well. Never

1:35:18

been a tough the Gods one for profit

1:35:20

destined to take over the entire world. But.

1:35:22

Also. Seem. Frivolous. Or

1:35:26

Maximum Security and Supervisor Captain Harold Willis said

1:35:28

herbal was having trouble directed at church and

1:35:30

his business interest from prison. as

1:35:33

it's very was annoyed know his puts

1:35:35

on the news or the presence of

1:35:37

it was object. But a foot.

1:35:39

No. Idea what degree they get a.

1:35:41

Former. Out here. And

1:35:44

it's experience as some hefty mood swings.

1:35:46

mood changes as Urls convicts His brother,

1:35:48

Ahmed Junior probably predicted he would end

1:35:51

his life in prison. Or

1:35:53

say I think when he finally realizes that these

1:35:55

revelations were from Satan. He'll be

1:35:57

willing to repent as he gives a kind

1:35:59

of. It will be willing to offer his own blood. For.

1:36:02

His crimes in hopes of gaining forgiveness at way. I

1:36:05

finally blooded told himself. Also

1:36:08

I love is other lebaron did she

1:36:10

had ever. Everyone has happened is still

1:36:12

on the Blood Atonement train. Or

1:36:15

very odd choice debates feuding brothers and

1:36:17

put leaders herbal and rural on are

1:36:19

they both died at the exact same

1:36:21

day. Fifty. One year old girl

1:36:23

on also died Aug sixteen ninety one in

1:36:25

a car to Mexico City. Okay,

1:36:28

that's it. Herbal was

1:36:30

for sure some kind of demonic warlock.

1:36:32

He. Killed himself in some kind of ritual that

1:36:35

allowed a zombie demon so at least a

1:36:37

five point three powers to fly down to

1:36:39

Mexico City's take his brother out for one

1:36:41

last blooded told the game set match. Press.

1:36:44

It's. A Sad: The twenty

1:36:46

year old Isaac Lebaron who testified against his prophet father

1:36:48

to put in prison. Dies. Suicide Two

1:36:50

years later. June Twenty First. Ninety Three. To.

1:36:53

Stay with relatives would also in followers of

1:36:55

herbal in Houston, Texas. And

1:36:57

Fall of Eighty Three urls. Widow was

1:37:00

as many may widows Lorna seen are

1:37:02

planned leaves cold, but she was strangled

1:37:04

and buried in an unlocked Asian in

1:37:06

an unknown location in Mexico. Her

1:37:08

body also never been found. This. Cult

1:37:10

real good at killing other

1:37:13

called leaders and good at

1:37:15

hiding bodies. Neutered.

1:37:17

To the Lamb of God Cycle Arts or

1:37:19

orders half brother Andrew to kill his mother

1:37:21

Lorna Lox. Ah, because you want

1:37:23

to leave the Colts. The. Evil

1:37:25

continues as you know. Constant family killing,

1:37:28

family. Arts. Are utter

1:37:30

of leadership was forcibly short lived. December.

1:37:32

Twentieth Century Three thirty three year old Arturo

1:37:34

Lebaron urls oldest son is killed by his

1:37:36

rival Leo Yvonne. he it's the Mexico Ivanek

1:37:38

have been leader of the Monterey Calif, ran

1:37:41

to the church the have guts and have

1:37:43

only played as he was given authority billie

1:37:45

the church by God of course. Have.

1:37:48

One ever argued for months and Arturo agreed

1:37:50

have a meeting to resolve their differences and

1:37:52

Arturo was kills his me. Most.

1:37:54

Likely by to cult followers. After

1:37:57

Arturo died and as of now fell to twenty year

1:37:59

old William. The Zebra Lebaron who

1:38:01

plotted that spell Yvonne he acts.

1:38:03

ah such a soap opera. Zebra

1:38:05

Lebaron follow close in his father's

1:38:07

are Evil footsteps. Two

1:38:09

sisters who are widows of herbal both

1:38:11

went missing as receiver accused them of

1:38:13

knowing about arturo murderer before his. Super.

1:38:16

Also had multiple wives of course

1:38:18

ah n for extra points, some

1:38:20

of whom were his half sisters.

1:38:23

Some. Of the others are a step sisters. So.

1:38:26

Much previous last of sit in one family

1:38:28

tree. Out jersey change my

1:38:30

last name. Of. As one of the Barents. Sea

1:38:33

were pimped out his wives medicine,

1:38:36

politicians, Some. Of them had literal sister

1:38:38

wives the help cover of the Gods Criminal

1:38:40

Enterprises. Don't doubt that for second. Early

1:38:43

don't city for Heber shot a man named

1:38:45

a gum. illegal real so the face buried

1:38:48

him. the desert. Bodies. Never been

1:38:50

found. Blood atonement. Or. Of random

1:38:52

murder just for buddies or hebrew End

1:38:54

up getting evicted in Arizona of operating

1:38:57

a large auto theft ring. Also,

1:38:59

be charged with attempted murder of a guard You're

1:39:01

in a bank robbery in Texas. Oh

1:39:03

My. God. Why? While he was leaves as cold as

1:39:06

sounds? more more like just like a gang now. And

1:39:09

made ninety four arrivals or twelve

1:39:11

widow cylinder ios. One. Else

1:39:13

he strangled a bird. else idols. Very

1:39:16

likely some more of blood atonement. Herbal

1:39:19

Dead But The Insanity: Violet Incentives. And

1:39:21

Ninety seven, he took some herbal widows and

1:39:24

seen his shoulder with him to the Us

1:39:26

to establish that auto theft ring. I mentioned

1:39:28

the rest for younger children state a mascot

1:39:30

with Aaron Lebaron. Can. Have

1:39:32

on to say the son of Lorna Seen

1:39:35

are interval. On May twenty

1:39:37

first nineties of more blood at all. But

1:39:39

there must be more. Leo.

1:39:41

Of audience dentures are found. Authorities.

1:39:44

Believe that Leah was killed near Santa Cruz California

1:39:46

desert are found in a puddle blood. His.

1:39:49

Body will never sat. Aug

1:39:52

nice a seven air and. Odds

1:39:54

of the younger children to Daniel Jordan's home

1:39:56

to ask for shelter and sanctuary. Two months

1:39:58

later. Called Assassin Dead. To

1:40:00

Be wives, children and Lebaron kids on

1:40:03

a camping trip near Mandy Utah mans

1:40:05

our youtube. Us and

1:40:07

two months later on October sixteen,

1:40:09

Ninety Seven Den Jordan was shot

1:40:11

in the head as well. Have

1:40:13

any? Mandy Lasalle is mans know.

1:40:16

Medics National Forest New. More.

1:40:19

On saw blood omen. Week

1:40:21

later, Air Lebaron is arrested because he pulled a

1:40:23