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Please enjoy. Alright. So let's

2:22

get into a man. You know, we

2:24

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2:26

the on the episode of Greg Karl when he's

2:28

finally able to we may have happened

2:30

so he he could make it appear on

2:32

the show. We're very excited to have him.

2:35

He is from the Ranch. Please

2:37

welcome Doug Linde Moon. How are you,

2:39

Doug? Hey,

2:39

I'm doing great. Doing great, Sam.

2:41

Well,

2:41

Doug, I appreciate you coming on our show. I

2:44

think you're very important, and I think our

2:46

listeners are gonna really enjoy this

2:48

conversation, you know, this

2:50

is a conspiracy podcast and we are

2:52

we're always talking about what's going on

2:54

in the world, but I think we need to come up

2:56

with practical solutions to help

2:58

people deal with the chaos

3:01

that is going on in the world. So that's

3:03

why you're here before we get into

3:05

everything, can you tell us a little bit about yourself

3:07

and where our listeners can find you?

3:10

Well, little you

3:12

can find us at sun dash rise

3:14

ranch dot com. That's our informational

3:16

site. So we have a website set

3:18

up just for people to find information

3:21

because that's

3:23

actually ranch store dot com.

3:25

But sunrise ranch dot

3:27

com is just It's just informational.

3:29

It's just, you know, the who what, when where, how

3:31

how did this happen? How did you get into it?

3:33

What do you know? And

3:36

then from there, we link to stores, but our

3:38

our main goal is is

3:40

to really get people to to understand

3:43

their food sources where they come from

3:45

how food is raised and what it does to our bodies.

3:48

And so that really emanates from

3:50

my whole my wife's story. She

3:52

was she was very ill and two

3:54

thousand six and two thousand seven. We

3:57

faced a crossroads. We

3:59

had to decide whether we were gonna take

4:01

the hippy crunchy route of of

4:03

physician heal thyself, or

4:05

if we were gonna go down the the wild

4:07

and crazy ride of of pharmaceuticals. And

4:10

when we decided on the route of

4:13

physician heal thyself that letting

4:15

medicine be thy food and food be thy medicine,

4:17

we then immediately realized that we couldn't

4:20

source that. It's kind of a

4:22

typical problem. People go, well, that's great.

4:24

But, you know, I I don't know how

4:26

to grow stuff or I'm trying

4:28

to sort through a thousand labels that

4:30

look very enticing and have all

4:32

pretty pictures of farms, but you flip

4:34

it over on the back of it and it's got fifteen

4:36

billion chemicals you can't pronounce without a

4:38

chemistry degree. And

4:40

so we started, you know, the vegetable sort of thing

4:42

was pretty easy, fruits and vegetables. That's

4:44

that's okay. find organics pretty easy.

4:46

But the real crunch for us

4:48

was dairy because a lot of our probiotics

4:51

come from that. Our our active

4:53

bacterias and good stuff for you. the

4:55

gut stuff, a lot of that comes from dairy, which

4:57

is why I choose dates back so many thousands

4:59

of years. And then the next hurdle

5:01

was meats. and how do we raise me

5:03

where do I source me for my wife

5:05

who's sick and we had to go through a

5:07

gaps protocol if you're not familiar with that.

5:09

They're very painful. you know,

5:11

it's a it's a gut cleansing and had to do

5:13

with leaky gut and that sort of a thing. So it was

5:15

quite an uphill battle for us, and that's that's

5:17

really how we got into it. Yeah.

5:20

And I think people

5:22

really can really resonate with your

5:24

story. I I mean, it just seems

5:26

like we're we're sicker

5:29

than ever.

5:30

And it just seems like

5:32

we we we trust the

5:34

medical community. And

5:36

maybe that's fine, but I think we

5:38

all shouldn't be afraid to ask questions.

5:41

Well, yeah, absolutely. If

5:43

I'm using a chainsaw on the ranch

5:45

and we have a little bit of an accident, I'm

5:47

trusting the medical community immediately. Yeah.

5:50

But if I've if I've got a long term illness

5:52

that is clearly related to

5:55

my environment, I mean, we're when

5:57

we used to run Farmers Market, in LA and San

5:59

Diego County,

5:59

we would have person

6:01

after person after family

6:03

come up to us and say, yeah, you

6:05

know, we've seen this or, you know, our kids

6:08

have that or we're noticing this.

6:10

And I started looking at it and I started thinking,

6:12

well, gosh, these folks are from

6:15

the south, these people are from the east,

6:17

and those folks have a college degree, and these people there's

6:19

nothing in common except what they're putting in their

6:21

bodies. So it's It's

6:23

absolutely evident to me that, you know,

6:26

you said conspiracy theory. You

6:28

know, a few years ago, that

6:30

was a conspiracy theory. Now it's reality.

6:32

And

6:33

it just seems like everything in our modern

6:35

day society that we

6:37

consume easy

6:39

Right? It's my my whole thing about

6:42

simple versus easy. Right? Simple

6:45

tends to be more healthy

6:47

for you. Easy. Anything really quick

6:50

Probably isn't the healthiest thing for you.

6:52

A big mac, a subway,

6:55

soda, all these things, and even

6:57

stuff you listen to when you drink, and

6:59

I mean, you listen, you view with your

7:01

eyeballs. If it's really,

7:03

like, sim really easy, I think it's

7:05

a lot of I think it might not

7:07

be the best for you. Well, yeah.

7:09

Absolutely. I mean, one of the basic principles

7:12

is things that our body, when

7:14

we consume food, it basically digests it,

7:16

which is advanced rotting. It's

7:18

spoilage within your gut, and that's how

7:20

you get the nutrients out of it. So so if

7:22

that principle remains true salmon, we

7:24

throw something up on the shelf in it last fifty

7:26

days. Then there's there

7:29

and then it clearly isn't going to rot inside

7:31

your gut either.

7:32

That's true. And, you know, there's

7:35

that lady that just found, like, a

7:37

big mac from five years

7:39

ago, and it looks exactly the

7:41

same. Yeah.

7:41

She you see, I saw that. I did it was floating

7:44

around on social media. Yeah.

7:46

For for some boondock rancher

7:48

who doesn't get a lot of time on social

7:50

media. That's somehow another came across my feed,

7:52

and I was like, that's fascinating.

7:54

So let's get into your history. I know you

7:56

told us a little bit about

7:58

your wife got you. And what were you doing

8:00

before that? Did this just open your mind

8:02

and you want to fall in to becoming

8:04

a rancher? Did you ever have any

8:07

history of doing that? Great question.

8:09

I'm I'm actually so if

8:11

I

8:11

ever get around to it, I'll finish my book. It's called the

8:13

Accidental rancher. You're

8:15

gonna die when you hear this. I was a marine pilot.

8:17

I I flew attack helicopters in the marine corps

8:19

for twenty one years in the marines. My

8:22

wife got sick about two

8:24

thirds of the way through that career. I

8:27

had grown up on a cattle ranch. She grew up

8:29

on a cattle ranch. And we

8:31

had purchased cows just as an

8:33

investment, but we weren't really paying any any

8:35

attention to regenerative agriculture or

8:37

how cattle are to be raised. But hit

8:39

that crossroads of, oh my gosh, we've got

8:41

to actually grow food because we can't seem

8:43

to source it from anywhere that we feel

8:46

reliable. we

8:48

had to just dive in, and we did. We actually

8:50

I was kind of nearing the end of my military

8:53

career. We moved to a small we were

8:55

able to lease a small ranch, which

8:57

is just pretty exciting. We had some

8:59

friends who had some extra land we were able to lease, and

9:01

I could continue to kind of work my part

9:03

time job to support my farming habit. And

9:05

then eventually, we

9:07

bought some milk cows. Those cows,

9:10

modern milk cow producers, unbelievable

9:13

amounts of milk. One of

9:15

my favorite stories is coming in at night

9:17

after milking cows for the second

9:19

time. I'd I'd been at work all day, came in,

9:21

milked the cows, came into the and we had

9:23

these this sort of banker refrigerators in

9:25

the in what we call the ranch room.

9:27

and I opened it up and there there

9:29

were, you know,

9:30

big five gallon jugs of milk in there.

9:32

I and it was packed entirely full. I don't know

9:34

if you know about a modern

9:37

heritage breed milk cow will give you, like, twelve

9:39

gallons a day. And I called

9:41

out to the kids and I I said, hey, did you guys

9:43

get some milk and they go, yeah, dad, we have

9:45

milk with duriel for breakfast, and I said, okay.

9:47

Yeah. Honey, did you use any milk

9:49

today? And she goes, I had some in my coffee, and

9:51

I've had a few cups, and we put some cream

9:53

in the you know, in the coffee and I I go,

9:55

okay. And I'm standing there with

9:57

two five gallon milk drugs.

9:59

And I go, what

9:59

the heck am I gonna do with all this?

10:02

And

10:02

my wife said, yeah, I I came in. I said, honey,

10:04

we're out of refrigerator space. And she

10:06

goes, yeah, I go, call every person

10:08

you know. and tell them we got milk. And so

10:10

we had this line of cars showing up at

10:12

our at our ranch and we're handing

10:14

out milk bottles and they go, do you want to thank for this? I

10:16

said, no, just take it and be gone. Well,

10:18

that didn't stop the problem because the cows

10:20

just kept on producing. That's something you can't

10:23

shut off. Trust me. But

10:25

So So I was I was flipping through a magazine

10:27

one day, and I thought I was reading about

10:29

something where in the in the old days that used

10:31

to feed the pigs milk byproducts. So you

10:33

take milk, you just let it foil oil, it

10:35

gets curdled, dump it to the pigs.

10:37

And so we started I got a whole bunch of

10:39

pigs and I started raising these pigs on

10:41

pasture and giving them milk Of course,

10:43

the the fat content was just out of

10:45

the war out of this world. They they I remember they

10:47

would, like, almost be able to turn not be able to

10:49

turn their heads around. They were practically because

10:53

there and and of course, the first

10:55

few we butchered were like, you gotta be kidding me. I've

10:57

never had anything like this before in my

10:59

life. And we found out that there was this really cool

11:01

cycle. You could take basically

11:03

sunlight and water, convert it to grass,

11:05

which, Sam, you and I can't eat that.

11:07

but a cow could and then a cow could produce

11:09

tabs. It could produce milk. It

11:11

could we fed it to our chickens and we

11:13

had eggs so hard. You could barely

11:15

crack them. and started raising our own

11:17

food. And all of this time, my wife is

11:19

going through the Gap's protocol, which

11:21

basically means your life is

11:23

over. I mean, I'm not

11:25

kidding you. We're talking twelve hours

11:27

a day in the kitchen for sure. You gotta

11:29

source everything precisely You

11:32

have to read every labels, and she's

11:34

going through this healing process. And months

11:36

are passing by, we're raising our own

11:38

products, we're actually sourcing our own food, and

11:40

sheep begins to heal. she

11:42

begins to become asymptomatic, which is

11:44

just astonishing. And I

11:46

was absolutely convinced. I said, okay, that's it.

11:48

We hit this is really yeah. It's it's a

11:50

tremendous amount of work. I'm working full time and

11:52

ranching at night. And

11:54

and and between that

11:56

and the that our neighbors now are coming and saying, well,

11:58

can I pay you for this? I go, wait a second. There's

11:59

a business here. I

12:00

mean, you don't have to be a rocket scientist

12:03

to figure that out. So we started marketing our

12:05

product and telling our story, and that's kinda how

12:07

it happened. Have

12:07

you ever in Mexico, a lot of my family

12:10

has cows and they used the milk to

12:12

make cheese? Have you thought about making that

12:14

into cheese? They said that that's the biggest

12:16

moneymaker is the cheese because you they they'll saw the

12:18

cows once it's been ready to soar to be

12:20

sold to for it to be charged

12:22

up and sold to a meat market. But during

12:24

that time, they're just milking that, making

12:26

cheese. And so this day

12:28

might that bring some cheese, like, have you tried the cheese

12:30

just from the whole time? Yeah. Yeah. Have

12:32

you thought about that?

12:34

Yeah. Do you have a a snorkel

12:36

or a a regulator that I can use?

12:38

because I'm so far underwater. I

12:40

couldn't Are you gonna hear that? No.

12:42

No. No. I'm getting with you. It was a

12:44

joke. I I as a rancher, I'm

12:46

I'm, you know, already at sixteen hours a day,

12:48

so adding a cheese operation would be just over

12:50

the top for me. Yeah. Yeah. And believe

12:52

me, I've got a long list of exciting

12:54

and cool ideas. Cheese is on on

12:56

there. someday, but that requires a pretty precise

12:59

facility and and that sort of thing and

13:01

and a lot of skill. And

13:03

so, you know, that is something we'd love to

13:05

do, but it's it's

13:06

we are just so swamped at this point.

13:08

I mean, just trying to keep everything going

13:11

and we, you know, take on

13:13

interns throughout the winter or throughout

13:15

the summer, and we just finished up that. And then we've

13:17

got the guest ranch, which is running where people

13:19

actually come and visit and that sort of thing. So

13:21

we're pretty busy. I'd love to do cheese. I

13:23

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13:25

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13:27

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I

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well, I mean,

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we have cattle. We have,

17:01

you know, hundred so ahead of cattle

17:04

now. It's all just they

17:05

I mean, they're all just pasture fed.

17:07

Can we supplement that in the

17:10

winter with hey, that we've stored up.

17:12

And then, you know, my dad my

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dad trains horses, and then we have

17:16

chickens too. But yeah. The the

17:18

cattle were my grandfather's growing up on the farm. And then

17:20

when he passed kinda got passed down

17:21

to us. I mean, we all pitched in. But

17:24

yeah. I mean, like you said, it's

17:26

it's it's

17:26

more than full time labor. I mean,

17:29

especially when you when our

17:31

operation works such that

17:33

we grow our own hay too,

17:35

so we it's kind of a closed, you know, closed circuit.

17:37

And -- Yeah. Absolutely. -- I mean, we spend the whole

17:39

summer cutting hay

17:41

and stacking it and storing it

17:43

and You know, where is that rough location North

17:46

Carolina rural. North Carolina? Yes.

17:48

North Carolina. Yep. So

17:50

you so you have interns

17:52

and they come learn to do what you

17:54

do and they go off to do it on their own or

17:56

That's not quite Yeah. It's not

17:58

quite that simple. It's the interns

18:01

stay for ninety days.

18:03

We we put them in for three months. The

18:05

first thirty days,

18:07

and we take interns. We try to take

18:09

interns that are not from a ranching or farming

18:12

background. And the reason for that is we do

18:14

regenerative agricultural which is is,

18:16

you know, we are the the

18:18

pariah of the ranching world. III

18:20

like to say that I'm on a comma class. I can

18:22

offend just about anybody. Yeah. So

18:24

I am as offensive to my

18:28

grainy friends that are, you know, far

18:30

left liberal grainies, whatever.

18:33

all the way over to the to the ranchers. They scratch

18:35

their heads and go, man, you don't you just we don't we

18:37

don't even know what you're doing over there, Doug.

18:39

And so all of our regenerative

18:42

agriculture techniques they tend

18:44

to fit really well on a on a on

18:46

a slate that hasn't already been written

18:48

on. So this last summer, we had

18:50

an intern from LA. We

18:53

had an intern. He was a college, fifth

18:55

year, college student. He was a collegiate

18:57

athlete, amazing kid. We had

18:59

two females. One was from Florida.

19:01

She was a military kid. Only

19:04

sixteen. And then we had another one who

19:06

was a grade school teacher. She'd

19:08

take the summer off and come with us. And the

19:10

first thirty days there I mean, we're really it's

19:12

it's it's a stretch. I mean, we're the

19:14

first thirty days we're we're I

19:17

can remember some of our interns, we would

19:19

show them, you know, I'd say, go over there, grab

19:21

that electric drill, and let's go take this, take care of this, and

19:23

they wouldn't know what an electric drill is.

19:25

Yeah. Sounds like they want. Yeah.

19:27

Seeable So

19:30

we take them we take them from electric,

19:32

you know, what is an electric drill to? moving

19:34

and rotating cattle. They're moving a hundred

19:36

and fifty thousand pounds of cattle

19:38

with, you know, just by foot

19:41

we do use horseback, but they're not advanced

19:43

enough to even get on a horse at that point

19:46

to to setting up electric fence

19:48

to fixing and repairing things. They

19:50

get a basic welding class. They've done by

19:52

the time they're done at their ninety day mark, they've

19:54

done basically one of everything. And

19:56

you you kinda pay upfront. So the

19:58

first thirty days, they're they you gotta be with

20:00

them twenty four seven. Nope. Don't touch that. Watch

20:02

out. That's gonna hurt you. And be

20:04

careful because that'll roll over and kill you. And then,

20:06

of course, bringing cattle in and processing is

20:08

just a whole another a whole another animal.

20:11

No no pun intended. In

20:14

that middle section, they're kinda able to kinda

20:16

function pretty well, but they still need quite a bit

20:18

of supervision. And I've got great full time

20:20

staff that help me with that. And then by the end, they

20:22

can actually make it through almost an

20:24

entire workday without ever hearing from you,

20:26

which is pretty nice. And they're actually moving

20:28

cows. They're they're doing all kinds of

20:30

repairs, taking care of animal butchering

20:32

chickens. I mean, they're they're doing the entire

20:34

farm operation. So it's an immersion

20:36

thing. We we are really careful to

20:38

say, look, we're not gonna make a regenerative

20:40

rancher out of you in a

20:42

summer. We are gonna do the best we can to

20:44

expose you to all that. And then if you

20:46

choose you know,

20:46

if that's something you think you might like, you could

20:49

come back and apply

20:51

for the one year

20:52

apprenticeship, and then there's a potential

20:54

for that to become sort of a job or

20:56

a career. And they say with you for

20:58

a year?

20:59

If they if they yeah. Well, I

21:01

mean, we have quite a few

21:03

applicants for three spots. We had almost

21:06

thirty for three spots. And so

21:08

only one of them would get, you know, to

21:10

come back for a year, and that would be after they

21:12

came back for a second summer. So

21:14

there's quite a bit of steps involved in

21:16

that. We can't make

21:18

a rancher even in a year, we could barely get you to the point

21:20

where, you know, you'd need a lot

21:22

of support and a lot of help. I mean, there's you

21:24

gotta understand. I mean, we're sort of

21:26

jack of all trades master of all.

21:28

And you've really got to be able to

21:30

do a a vast number of

21:32

things to to run a grass fed cattle company

21:34

or a regenerative ag company. and

21:36

be successful at it. So we would in the past, what

21:38

we've done is taken on apprentices and then we set

21:40

them up and get them going, you know, and we

21:42

actually make them a part of the farm. And

21:45

then as they progress many years later, they can branch off

21:47

and actually do their own thing. But it it's quite

21:49

a steep learning curve. We

21:52

like I mentioned, we really like the kids that haven't

21:54

done it before. One, they don't have

21:56

any baggage, so I don't have to unteach

21:59

anything. We've

22:00

noticed that if we do have

22:03

someone that comes from a young

22:05

person that comes from a regen ag or

22:07

pardon me, a conventional ag

22:09

approach or background. The

22:11

first thing they're gonna do when they spend their

22:13

summer here is go back home and say, hey, mom, dad, guess

22:15

what? We're gonna run. We're gonna start

22:17

moving the cows every day and and and start looking at

22:19

soil and not just profit. We're

22:21

gonna start cycling the minerals here and

22:23

and watching the the water flows and and

22:25

stop an erosion. and we're gonna do it

22:27

this way and they're gonna say, no, you're not. We've

22:29

been

22:30

doing it this way forever and you're not changing

22:32

it, number one. And the reason for

22:34

that is if you if you fail,

22:36

you you fail. You've lost the

22:39

farm. If you succeed, you've

22:41

inadvertently said that great grandfather and

22:43

father were wrong. And

22:44

that's that's a really bad thing in

22:46

the ranching community. So

22:49

they're kind of stuck in sort of this world

22:51

of I can't get out and

22:53

I can't get in.

22:54

And and

22:55

and I'm not sure what to do with

22:57

that section of folks. We've never really been able

22:59

to kinda crack that code.

23:01

because it is such a burden to get over that.

23:03

But we do have a lot of luck with kids

23:06

that were pulling shots at a

23:08

Starbucks with a hundred and seventy thousand dollars in

23:10

psychology that needed that

23:12

didn't know that they would have been a rancher

23:14

had somebody walked up and said, man, would you like to

23:16

hang out on a farm for a year? I

23:18

mean, they they just I'm telling you, we've seen kids come

23:20

out here and and and they get off the bus and you

23:22

go, holy mackerel, there's no way this is gonna

23:25

work. I mean, your pants are around your ankles,

23:27

you're wearing Nike's. We got and we

23:29

gotta move the cows, pal. So and

23:31

what we find is they just blossom.

23:33

I mean, we select them very, very

23:35

carefully. They go through a huge selection process

23:37

where they write write essays and

23:40

then the family, the core family gets together. We

23:42

individually rate them. We

23:44

do interviews, and then we

23:46

try them out. And and usually

23:48

that weeds out. very

23:50

well who's gonna be successful and who's not. And then they've got

23:52

to have heart and soul because that

23:54

beats anything any day. I

23:56

don't care

23:57

how little knowledge you have.

23:59

If you're willing to work hard, we

23:59

can make a rancher out of you. And

24:02

so these kids come out and they just they just

24:04

blossom. It's just incredible to see them at

24:06

the end of the year. And we stay in touch with them and it's

24:08

it's a lot of Doug, that's

24:10

wonderful. I think this is,

24:12

like, so important. You know,

24:14

I've been watching this has

24:16

come a guy who's got very little man

24:18

skills, which very much upsets me

24:20

because I just had daughters. Like, I

24:22

have two and a half year old daughters and

24:25

need to figure out how I'm

24:27

going to pass

24:28

skills down to them. Skills I don't

24:30

even have you. I have to go and figure

24:32

out how to learn these skills so I

24:34

could teach them these skills. And,

24:36

you know, I know you're not on social media, but

24:38

there's all this man on the street videos

24:41

and they're interviewing all these generation z

24:43

kids, and they're asking them

24:45

basic questions. And a lot of these

24:47

kids don't have the answers. Now like

24:49

Xavier said before, They've

24:51

probably gone through hours. They

24:53

found five kids that said something stupid

24:55

to make a video look entertaining. But

24:57

I get really mad because people laying

24:59

these kids in the truth of matter is, like, we're

25:01

not teaching the next generation. Oh,

25:04

no. No. We're absolutely not. No.

25:06

You know, it's funny.

25:09

We used

25:09

to say, oh, yeah. We raised, you know,

25:12

grass fed beef and everybody go, you

25:14

know, fifty years

25:14

ago, this Okay. Yeah. So does

25:17

everybody else? You know what I mean? Right.

25:19

But, I mean, we're ranchers are are

25:21

less than a half a percent or pardon

25:23

me, less than two percent of the US population.

25:26

our farming ranching is involved in some sort

25:28

of agriculture. We don't even rate being counted on the

25:30

census anymore. And of that, regenerative

25:33

agriculture is is less than two percent

25:35

of that. subset. So,

25:39

where we live in the

25:41

communities we're in, around our

25:43

ranches, especially the Wyoming Ranch. That's a

25:45

culture. I mean, everybody kinda does it. But jeez, there's

25:47

less than six hundred thousand people in the whole state.

25:49

In California, it's quite a bit different.

25:51

You know, you you you just we don't even

25:53

wear a cowboy hat down there because people would say, what's

25:55

that weird thing on your hat? So

25:58

we are very, very, very

26:00

detached. Is this society from our

26:03

agricultural roots, which are really our

26:05

roots. And we're seeing it

26:07

in increased obesity,

26:09

childhood onset autism, We're seeing it

26:11

in all these issues that we're having,

26:14

why? Because we don't

26:15

know what's being farmed for us. We're just saying,

26:17

okay, you two percenters. You take care of

26:20

and we'll just eat it.

26:22

There's so there's a collective sort of

26:25

ignorance, if you will, about how food should

26:27

be raised. And then there's a tremendous ignorance in

26:29

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29:02

So I wanna get into this. Thank you, guys.

29:04

I wanna get into this. How are

29:06

you different from

29:09

conventional agriculture. You've told us a

29:11

little bit about it, but the specifics

29:13

of, like, kind of what you're doing

29:15

different than everybody else I mean,

29:17

we get a good understanding so far,

29:19

but the meats and the guts of all of

29:21

it.

29:21

yeah Yeah. Well, the basic

29:24

difference Sam is that we focus a conventional rancher

29:26

is going to focus on on what

29:28

makes money, and that is just basic

29:30

economics. Nobody would fault them for that.

29:32

it makes perfect sense, and that's how we've raised

29:35

animals in this country for many years. Howard

29:37

Bauchner: Well,

29:38

so that entails working

29:41

with from the hoof up, if you will. Right? That

29:43

cow that produces a calf is going

29:45

to give me my money. Right? The calf is

29:48

You know, the cow is bread to a bowl. For

29:50

those of you that are not familiar with that

29:53

process, I'll leave that up to your

29:55

imagination. And what is

29:57

produced from that? Every every

29:59

year on it, you know, they have the same

30:01

gestation cycle as human. So nine months

30:03

later, you have a calf, which is going to

30:05

be either a bull calf or a hepar calf,

30:07

either a female or male. Those are

30:09

then sold, and that's when the farmer

30:11

takes in his cash crop. So

30:15

the the focus then is on that calf.

30:17

Right? I mean, I want I want a heavy calf. I want

30:19

one that's gonna they're sold by the pound, so I want one

30:21

that's gonna produce me a larger want

30:23

larger breed stock. I I

30:25

need to get my timing right. Probably doesn't

30:27

do any good to have a calf who's dropped

30:29

on the ground and subzero temperatures and

30:31

freezes to death. Likewise, I couldn't have

30:33

it dropped when there's no grass left

30:35

in the in the hay fields. But my focus is

30:37

the calf. My focus is the calf. In

30:40

regenerative agriculture, Our focus

30:42

is everything below the hoof.

30:44

And

30:44

the theory here is that if we focus

30:46

on all the microbiology, the

30:49

micro rhizal fungi network, the water

30:51

infiltration that's created by plants

30:53

growing deeper,

30:55

thicker pastures, healthier

30:57

soils, better nutrient cycling,

30:59

better better water cycling,

31:02

less erosion manure distribution,

31:04

which is basically our fertilizers.

31:06

If I can focus on that, I'll get

31:08

the cows thrown in for free because I'll get

31:10

a I'll get a grass crop and

31:12

that'll grow more cows. So the

31:15

basic thought is my ranch is

31:17

a solar panel. Now if I cover up

31:19

half my solar panel with

31:21

brush in, just bear dirt. I'm

31:23

only gonna get half the power.

31:25

But if I can find a way to grow more

31:27

grass, I can then grow more cows, and if I can

31:29

grow more cows, I can grow,

31:31

I I can have better money. The

31:33

weird thing that's odd about this, and

31:35

this is where you gotta hang with me.

31:37

is that if I grow more grass,

31:39

I can actually sequester more

31:42

atmospheric carbon because those

31:44

are usually perennial grasses that as they

31:46

live all year long. And they'll take

31:49

atmospheric carbon, suck it down, and put it back into the ground.

31:51

But why do we have a carbon problem? Well, because we

31:53

pumped it out in terms

31:55

of petrochemicals, burned it through a diesel engine

31:57

and put it in the atmosphere. So

31:59

we actually, in what is probably, I

32:01

think, one of the greatest strokes

32:03

of irony in the modern world.

32:06

is the cow which

32:08

produces more grass by grazing.

32:09

It's the same principle that grandma

32:11

pruned her rose bushes. It produced

32:13

better roses. We can do the same thing. We can prune

32:16

our grasses and let them recover,

32:18

we'll get have better grasses, we'll have more

32:20

carbon sequestration. The cow

32:22

is

32:22

actually the answer to the

32:24

carbon sequestration problem. And in typical human

32:27

fashion, what did we do? We

32:29

demonized it. And we said -- Oh,

32:31

no. -- global. It's that's that's

32:33

the problem. That's the problem. That counts

32:35

the problem. And and all of us ranchers that know

32:37

this are going, oh, hold on a second.

32:39

You actually hit the one target you weren't

32:41

supposed to, guys. You you hit you

32:44

fired a shotgun and you killed

32:46

the one thing we're supposed to not

32:48

kill. The

32:48

basic principle and we know this.

32:50

Right? You you've you've cut

32:53

your grass and come back up from

32:55

vacation and you cut your grass every day and

32:57

it grows thicker and richer and faster.

32:59

And then you go on vacation one day, it

33:01

grows really really tall, really

33:03

long, and then it goes to seed, and it

33:05

stops growing. So if I stop

33:07

grazing grass, it's gonna stop growing. But

33:09

if I prune it and graze it and allow

33:11

it to recover, it'll

33:13

grow thicker, richer, better,

33:15

faster, and also cluster

33:18

more carbon. Well, you know, if

33:20

I I've been doing this conspiracy

33:22

show for a very long time. So

33:24

when you tell me that they're actually telling

33:26

us the wrong thing, That completely

33:29

fits into the narrative

33:31

because what is up is really down,

33:33

was down is really up. So

33:35

when I go on some shows and they're trying

33:37

to convince me that, you

33:39

know, cow farts and cow

33:42

burps are the reason why

33:44

our our our planet

33:46

is cooling. I mean, it's

33:48

getting too warm I I just

33:50

gotta laugh, man. I just gotta laugh and

33:53

make no sense whatsoever. And I

33:55

didn't even have the information you just

33:57

told me. which blows my mind

33:59

that it's actually

33:59

the opposite. It

34:01

is yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean?

34:04

It's just it's astonishing. I mean, there's

34:06

there's hardly words to describe it, especially when you're on our end

34:08

going. Now, I I don't

34:10

wanna

34:10

be misunderstood or misconstrued

34:12

on this point. It's very, very vital that

34:14

we understand this. The answer is

34:17

not more cows or less

34:19

cows. The answer is what we're

34:21

doing with those cows, Sam. So

34:22

on our ranch, we have so for example, on one of our ranches, we

34:25

have a thousand acres. We don't just throw

34:27

our cows out there and hope that

34:29

they find the grass. We actually

34:31

confine them with electric wire, which is very lightweight and portable. It

34:33

comes on a reel. And we can

34:35

precisely put our

34:38

cows almost shoulder

34:40

to shoulder in any one given

34:42

area for a very short period of

34:44

time. And we call that a cow

34:47

grazing day. So that grass in that area, Sam,

34:49

is experiencing tremendous raising pressure.

34:52

Now, we've never had an original thought in

34:54

our entire lives. This came

34:56

from nature. If you look at you can ask my wife. If

34:58

you look at how the Buffalo ran, they

35:00

ran shoulder to shoulder. Everybody's seen the

35:02

movie dances with

35:04

wolves. Right? they ran shoulder to

35:06

shoulder in tremendous pressure, usually spurred on by

35:08

predator packs as well, you know, something

35:12

that cause that behavior. And they even

35:14

in peaceful grazing, they were very

35:16

tightly packed because that's how the that's

35:18

how the the cohort

35:20

protected itself.

35:22

Right? The weaker animals were put in the middle, the stronger animals are on the

35:24

outside, the predators are pressuring, and

35:26

they're they're taking a bite, pooping, and moving.

35:29

Taking a bite pooping and moving. It's a it's a pattern we

35:31

see in nature. That's all we do on our ranch. It's

35:34

it's that simple. We confine

35:36

our animals a hundred

35:37

and fifty thousand pounds of of animal

35:40

pressure. Tremendous pressure.

35:42

I mean, when

35:42

we move cows out of an area, it looks

35:44

like an NFL football team played practice

35:47

there on a rainy day. And then we do

35:49

something

35:49

magical. We put up a back fence or

35:51

we leave that area so that it's

35:53

partially fenced in with

35:55

electric wire. We have lots of these systems that we

35:58

use, and they're very portable and lightweight.

35:59

And we make sure that the cows don't go back

36:02

for as much as sometimes as much as a

36:04

hundred and eighty or two hundred

36:06

days. Three hundred days. And that

36:08

allows the grass to grow. And you

36:10

see what we've done is we've done use the same

36:12

principle that builds muscle

36:14

in humans. Right? I mean, Sam, if you're lifting weights in the in the in doing

36:16

a bench press, I'm not gonna walk up to you and say, oh, let

36:18

me get that for you. Right?

36:20

You understand that

36:22

the the stronger we the more we use all. So more we exercise

36:24

it, the stronger it grows. It's the same

36:26

principle with grass. The more I abuse it,

36:28

if I give it rest time. Right? We can't

36:30

have you

36:32

bench press every day, twenty four hours a day forever.

36:34

And so if I allow that

36:36

rest to rest, if I time it, if

36:38

I'm the orchestra conductor, while

36:41

my cows are the individual

36:44

instruments. I'll

36:44

see grass grow back in

36:46

a

36:46

in a thicker stand. I'll

36:49

I'll start to see stemmy

36:50

plants, which are like tap rooted stemmy plants, which

36:53

we see all over Southern California.

36:55

That's the precursor to desertification,

36:57

if you're not familiar.

37:00

That's The next step is a desert. If you look at the hills of California

37:02

that have been cattle free since ninety

37:04

three, quote unquote, when they moved all

37:06

the cattle off the federal grazing,

37:09

those hills are now

37:11

solid brush and that's the next step

37:13

will be barrenness and pretty soon you'll

37:15

basically have the Sahara. Sahira Desert,

37:17

which is gonna that's that's where we're headed in. SoCal. But

37:20

as we do regenerative agriculture grazing,

37:22

what we notice is the brush begins to

37:24

go away.

37:26

because the cows are grazing the grass they want.

37:28

They're grazing what they

37:29

prefer in their taste buds what

37:31

they what they

37:34

find palatable. and that grass responds by growing. Well, what dies?

37:36

The brush? The stuff that starts

37:38

fires that burn at, you know, a thousand

37:40

degrees, the

37:42

stuff that you know, so we can actually solve a fire

37:44

problem with cattle if used

37:46

properly. They gotta move all the time. We move cows

37:48

sometimes two or three times a day

37:50

on our a day.

37:52

Wow. Yeah. Look, they're never they're

37:54

never you would if you drive

37:56

across AAA lot of ranching

37:58

communities, you'll see little black dots on the

37:59

horizon, those are cows. They're not designed. They

38:02

were never made to be that spaced

38:04

out. They should be almost shoulder to

38:06

shoulder, butt to butt,

38:08

moving around and eating everything in its site and pooping and

38:10

and tilling up the soil with their with their

38:12

hooves and then moving on. So Because

38:14

that's how the predators would have kept

38:17

them moving. The predators would have done that

38:19

in nature. Is there any way

38:21

America could eat the

38:23

the way you you gray you you grow your cattle. Is

38:25

could it be done in a weird kind of way? Why

38:28

are they saying, no, not everybody.

38:29

American? Yeah. Max, you mean on,

38:31

like, a mass scale. Right?

38:34

because they they say it can't be done.

38:36

You you could do you see it possibly done if

38:38

it was ran by you? I don't know who they

38:40

are. I'd like to talk

38:42

to them. No.

38:42

I mean, they they say no and not everybody, not everybody

38:45

in the United States could eat grass fed. So what

38:47

do you say to like? I I think

38:49

I think there's not I

38:51

think there's not enough political will to make it

38:54

happen. because that's why they're pushing beyond me. The

38:56

reason they're pushing beyond me is

38:58

saying that we

38:59

can't feed America unless Listen,

39:01

this way they're doing it. We talked

39:03

about that on Joe Rogan Xfinity.

39:05

They they they subsidize

39:07

cattle and farming because what they said was that they

39:09

didn't wanna flood the market with meat

39:12

because then the price would bottom out.

39:14

And that's just let you know that there's more

39:16

than enough

39:18

to feed everybody. They just don't wanna

39:20

do that because, you know, I mean,

39:22

if you wanna ask me, it's all dark

39:26

arts and low frequency demons and all that stuff.

39:28

And I know that's weird stuff,

39:30

but that's my honest belief that listen.

39:32

We can have a million arguments

39:35

and you could have a pushback on everything. But if you're like,

39:38

while these people are trying to lower frequencies

39:40

because they made deals with dead demons,

39:42

that that lines up with me.

39:44

And I know that's a crazy talk right there for a

39:46

different a different show, but I'm not actually this show, but I'm

39:49

telling you, there's there's something

39:51

at work here that

39:54

they want gets on this, you know, this

39:56

alternative meat

39:56

that has so much estrogen

39:59

in it.

39:59

Well,

40:00

that will not yeah let's yeah. Yeah. No.

40:02

You've you've really you've nailed it, Sam. I

40:04

I don't know what

40:05

the conspiracy is. I I may never know, and that's

40:07

fine. You don't have to know what you're fighting in

40:09

order to fight. you

40:11

just

40:11

move forward and and put your head down and keep

40:14

moving the ball one yard at a

40:16

time. But, you know,

40:16

one of the one of the one of

40:18

the biggest problems we have with Beyond

40:20

Meat and that's sort of a thing is is number one is the chemical

40:23

processing. It's the same concept with the

40:25

electric cars. That's a wonderful theory if

40:27

we could just magically produce an electric

40:29

car without all the coal

40:31

and infrastructure and destructive mining

40:33

to make the batteries. It's the

40:35

same concept. When you get your package of Beyond

40:37

Meat, if you were to lay that right next

40:40

to something else. Yeah. You might get a favorable

40:42

comparison. But have you talked about the

40:44

fact that that requires

40:46

flat land irritable land, farmable land, which we

40:48

know is a very small percentage. My

40:50

cows can graze on

40:52

a hillside. I can take

40:54

grass on a hillside that you'll never get a

40:56

tractor on to plant soybeans. And

40:58

I can grow milk, meat, hide,

41:00

and protein. I mean, I I we can

41:02

do any and those cows are gonna convert that

41:04

from grass, which you can't eat,

41:06

which is just basically a product from

41:08

sunlight and water. In addition to

41:10

that, it requires a monocrop.

41:12

What do you have to do to get a monocrop? A

41:14

monocrop is just one plant in a

41:16

field. Now, Step out anywhere you want. Well, you're in LA. So

41:18

you really can't step out too far. You'd have to go

41:20

way Easter. Way

41:22

North or yeah, way east

41:24

or way north. But walk out

41:26

into a field sometime up in kinda

41:28

central California, just a natural

41:30

field and look at count the number of

41:32

species you see. I mean, one

41:34

thing we know about nature is it's

41:36

incredibly diverse. You're never

41:38

gonna find

41:40

one thing. acre after acre after acre. That's a sign of man. That's man

41:42

has done that. The only way to get that is

41:44

chemicals and

41:46

genetic modifications. So I've got

41:48

a spray light crazy and I've got a genetically

41:50

modified. In addition to that, the

41:52

reason that we have riperion

41:54

areas and diversity is so that

41:56

it'll support many cultures of animals that grow from the

41:58

grass kingdom. Right? The herbivores

41:59

and the ruminants.

42:00

Well, they're not gonna just

42:04

wanna mean my cows won't do it. If I put them on a straight alfalfa field, they'll

42:06

go, oh, that was great for like fifteen minutes and then

42:08

they start looking around for something to balance their diet.

42:11

So it's it's anti nature to

42:14

to raise these massive amounts of

42:16

soybeans and all this stuff that's required.

42:19

and then combine it with all these chemical

42:21

processes to make something that looks like a hamburger

42:23

but really isn't a hamburger nobody wants

42:25

anyways. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or you could

42:27

just have a hamburger. I mean, or you just have a darn hamburger. Right?

42:30

Yes. Why? Yes. This whole thing that I've

42:32

been talking about forever,

42:34

which is the farther

42:36

you get away from nature,

42:38

the more dangerous it

42:40

gets, psychologically,

42:42

spiritually, physically.

42:43

It just gets worse and worse and

42:45

worse and and it's everyone thinks they

42:48

can rewrite everything that

42:50

Matt has been doing for thousands and

42:52

thousands of years. It's not meant

42:54

to be like that. There's a reason why

42:56

things have been like that. You

42:59

can't just rewrite the way we

43:02

operate. Now there's new ways of

43:04

thinking all that stuff. We can incorporate

43:06

it in to what we're doing a may

43:08

maybe a more open mind to other things, but

43:10

that doesn't mean we just completely scrap

43:12

what was done before and go with

43:15

this all new thing especially

43:17

ran by people that don't

43:20

participate in what they're preaching. You know,

43:22

it's like climate change as a fly

43:24

in private jets. Right?

43:26

It's like wear a mask as none of them wear a mask. Right? And

43:28

it's just -- Yeah. -- the hypocrisy. It's

43:30

like just start asking

43:32

these questions. and it just

43:34

starts keeping it simple. These

43:36

giant giant cities that we

43:38

live in

43:38

aren't meant to be lived in. This

43:40

is a free range psych ward. You know what I'm saying? This is

43:43

they're they're running psychological operations and

43:45

we need to get back to nature.

43:47

Can everybody get back to

43:50

nature? Personally, I say, yeah. I mean, you think there's too many people. You

43:52

gotta get out of the big city and go

43:54

drive through, you know, like

43:58

Iowa or or

44:00

or Oklahoma. You just drive I

44:02

mean, there's a drive to to

44:04

Phoenix, Arizona where you go eighty miles and

44:06

there's nobody, not don't know if you wanna live

44:08

in the desert, but there's just

44:10

giant parts of this country that are

44:12

just empty. So if you

44:13

take these too many people, you need to

44:15

get all the big city. I wanna ask you something real

44:17

quick, but -- Yeah. -- you go ahead.

44:19

Oh, absolutely. Here's the

44:20

word from our sponsor real

44:22

quick. So, thank

44:23

you. So, what

44:24

are some of the challenges

44:27

that you're facing as a a

44:30

small non industrial farm.

44:32

Well,

44:32

the entire industrial

44:34

system

44:37

is is set up for the large producers. There are

44:39

four companies that own eighty five

44:41

percent of all meat production in

44:43

the US. Okay? So those processors are buying

44:45

cattle from individual ranchers. That

44:48

the

44:49

individual cattle ranching system

44:52

on the production side, that cow calf operator that

44:55

grows cattle, that actually raises

44:57

cattle. That has yet to be conquered

44:59

by the industrial a real system.

45:01

The chicken system has already been conquered. The

45:04

pork system has already been

45:06

conquered. Cattle

45:06

is the last stand. And part of the

45:08

reason it's a last stand is if If you

45:11

notice the they

45:12

require feed. They

45:16

require something to feed

45:18

them. Right? We have to give them some sort

45:20

of feed. And that feed because

45:22

they are monogastrics that means they have

45:24

one stomach. They're not ruminants. that

45:26

feed competes with us in the food

45:28

system.

45:28

Right? So if I'm

45:30

feeding grain to a

45:32

a chicken or grain to a pig, it is taking grain

45:35

from somewhere else

45:35

in the system, which

45:38

humans eat. The one thing that's

45:40

unique about cattle is they don't

45:42

compete with us in the food system. I can't eat

45:44

grass. I've mentioned that three times in our

45:46

interview. Right? I keep saying it over

45:48

and over again because the ruminant is the is

45:50

a very very unique link that allows

45:52

us liberty like we've

45:55

never experienced before because we can eat and

45:57

get something valuable from that cow, which it

45:59

is getting

45:59

from from something that we

46:02

can't use. So that's probably why it hasn't fallen yet. But why did I

46:04

mention that all of this is consolidated

46:06

and and in a

46:08

gigantic silo? because

46:10

anything that's consolidated takes away freedom. And

46:12

anytime we have freedom taken away, we have

46:14

centralized control. And and

46:16

if you

46:16

if you if you wanna know where the what the

46:18

history is on that, just go back to the American revolution.

46:20

We didn't like centralize control.

46:22

Unfortunately, we're marching towards that

46:24

slowly because of convenience and security.

46:27

Right? I mean, it's a lot easier to police

46:29

four food food producing companies

46:32

than it is four thousand or fifty

46:34

thousand or four million. But we

46:36

believe that diversity produces

46:38

security as well if you go

46:40

fully in the opposite direction. In other words,

46:43

Sam, if you and the guys on the

46:45

show, all get beef from Doug. And

46:47

Doug's a good guy, and he isn't gonna give up at

46:49

the end of the day. And the government comes down and says,

46:51

that's it. We're doing this. And Doug

46:53

says, up yours, I'm still giving food to Sam and the guys at

46:55

the show. You just you just found the

46:57

most secure food system you could

46:59

possibly have. Right?

47:02

that guy's not gonna abandon you. He's your rancher and you're his you're

47:04

his customer. There's a one to one link.

47:06

So we get we get that

47:10

community, that sense of community. We get that sense

47:12

of we get the

47:13

sense of accountability. Right? Sam,

47:15

if you get sick, and

47:17

you only eat my meat. I got a got a sneaking suspicion

47:19

there's one guy you're

47:22

calling. Right?

47:23

Right. if if you go

47:25

through Wendy's drive through and you get sick,

47:27

who do you call? Will you call it USDA? And

47:29

they say, great. We'll start an

47:32

investigation or and then they contact the centers for disease control and they

47:34

do a test on something. But they're never

47:36

gonna trace that one molecule of cow

47:38

all the way back through the thousands of cows that came

47:40

into that

47:42

hamburger. because it went through an industrial system. You're just never gonna have it.

47:44

And so the biggest challenge we face is

47:46

ignorance of the food system. We have people that

47:48

come out to the guest ranch in Wyoming.

47:51

They'll spend a few days here, and they'll

47:53

just they'll just literally their minds are blown. They

47:56

first of all, they haven't been away from WiFi for

47:58

that long. in their

48:00

lives. Right? They gotta they gotta

48:02

run over to the cookhouse, which is that kinda

48:04

central facility where where we all eat, and they gotta

48:06

stand within ten feet of the WiFi signal and

48:08

check their email. Well, pretty soon after about three days ago, that sucks. I'm just gonna

48:10

go ride a horse. Right? You know, I'm gonna go out and look

48:12

at the cows. I'm done with that. Well, I love They'll get to

48:14

me later. If there's an emergency, they'll send a

48:16

a spoke

48:18

signal. My point is this. The first thing that they do is

48:20

they is there's a mindset change. And then

48:22

the next thing we see is there's a connection. They

48:24

go, wait a second. This is actually real

48:26

food that I'm eating. I

48:29

mean, they were having chicken tonight that they perhaps harvested last week on the

48:31

ranch. And I'm seeing how the chickens are

48:33

being. Right? So so there's

48:36

a whole different mindset that begins to happen. Remember, I said we

48:38

haven't we haven't agrarian

48:40

history. We're

48:41

we're an agricultural society

48:44

that's detached from agriculture. So there's

48:47

this full disconnect. It's like

48:49

it's like having

48:51

some piece of kinda

48:53

feeling inside of you, but you don't know what

48:55

the connection is. Right?

48:56

You just can't make the connection. And people when

48:58

they really come in contact with a food supply,

49:00

with a real producer that's one on one, they go,

49:02

Oh, wow. I had no idea eggs were supposed to be that color on

49:05

the inside. Well, yeah. Why is that? Well, watch how the chickens

49:07

are grazing. You know? me

49:11

show you where that comes from and they go, wait a second,

49:13

I get it. Now, you are inoculated against the prettiest label

49:15

on a package you could

49:18

ever find. you just

49:20

know exactly what you want and

49:22

need because you know

49:24

why. And so it doesn't matter what the outside of

49:26

that egg carton says. It

49:28

could say, all the keywords. Form, Freshwater, you just go, well,

49:30

no. None of that may be true. Let me crack one open

49:32

and see what color it is. Let me see

49:34

how excited it is. be on

49:36

the inside. What's that?

49:37

What's that? Is there a certain color that

49:40

eggs need to be on the on the

49:42

inside? Yeah. They should be

49:43

bright orange. We've got a picture of one

49:45

on our Instagram. and we describe all the all the all the

49:47

you gotta scroll down quite a ways, but we describe what

49:50

you're looking for. They should have number one, they should

49:52

be dark

49:54

rich

49:54

orange color that indicates high beta carotene content.

49:57

Beta carotene only comes from rapidly growing

49:59

green grass in an animal cycle.

50:02

So you could say I have pasture chickens, and we could have that label. You

50:04

can quote, meet the USDA technical

50:08

requirements for

50:10

pasture chicken. or free range eggs and

50:12

not not have orange oaks

50:13

and we go, well, look, you're a liar.

50:15

I'm sorry, but your skirt and pearls, they

50:17

should be dark orange because beta

50:20

carotene comes from grass, grass comes from the field, and they have

50:22

to have continued access to

50:24

grass. We we rotate the chickens behind

50:27

our cows. They go behind our cows. They are

50:30

pasture sanitizers is what they

50:32

do. They basically pick through cow patties and

50:34

eat flies. Why do I do

50:36

that? Well, number one, it makes extremely

50:38

healthy chickens so they eat grass and

50:40

they go through cow patties and they eat flies and

50:42

eat bugs. vegetarian fed chicken is the worst invention in the world.

50:44

Don't get it. And then they make really

50:46

great eggs and then I don't have

50:48

to stay spray pesticides

50:50

on my ranch because I have no flies. All my

50:52

fly larvae gone. You go on a cattle ranch today

50:54

and you're constantly swatting your face. You

50:56

go on our ranch. There's no flies anywhere because we

50:58

have a natural Chicken Herd that that's

51:00

what they or chicken

51:02

crop. That and that's what they do. They basically

51:04

go around and pick all the patties apart and

51:06

do pasture sanitization for us. you

51:08

mentioned something there that I wanted to ask about.

51:10

Yeah. You mentioned pesticides. Do you

51:12

I I don't know much about the plant life

51:15

where you are, but do you a

51:18

a challenge with respect to perhaps

51:20

species plant that are dangerous for

51:22

the cattle or or, you know,

51:24

maybe start to overwhelm the the field?

51:27

And how do you manage that? Or is is that kinda

51:30

managed naturally because of their

51:32

selectivity? They select.

51:33

Yeah. So here's the thing. If I've got

51:35

a cow that grasses that

51:37

grazes poisonous plants.

51:40

She's

51:40

immediately gonna come out of production.

51:42

So we we are we

51:45

are ruthless, aggressive, selectors

51:48

when it comes to our cattle. We

51:50

need cows that perform very well on

51:52

pasture. They have to be excellent mothers.

51:54

They have to convert grass to

51:57

milk meat and hide at a at a

51:59

very high rate. They need

52:01

to not fall into a creek and drown.

52:03

They need to not I'm

52:06

sorry. Can you I just wanna make sure

52:08

I'm understanding. You're saying that you you actually

52:10

select for cattle that won't eat

52:12

poisonous plants. Is that what you're saying?

52:14

Well, the cows will will not I mean, my cow herd won't that

52:16

that happened a long time ago. So my

52:18

cow herd will not graze poisonous plants.

52:22

But if I if I somehow or another got that genetic strain

52:24

within my my herd,

52:26

you would wanna ruthlessly eliminate

52:29

as quickly as possible. And I mean, you would say, okay, you can

52:31

have your calf this year, but next year, you're gone.

52:33

Okay. You're going to camp butcher for the

52:36

summer. What does that mean? Exactly. Some of that doesn't what

52:38

does dangerous plants mean exactly? What

52:40

what what happens to the cow? Well,

52:42

they can get sick and die. For example,

52:44

there's a plant on in our Wyoming

52:47

ranch that is called greasewood, and when it

52:49

leaves fall in the fall, it's

52:52

poisonous to cows in

52:54

too much quantity. It's toxins and

52:56

it'll kill the calf. So we wanna

52:58

see a mother that will not graze in

53:01

that area because she's got a

53:03

calf by her side and we want her

53:05

to teach her calf and pass on that genetic trait of, hey, watch out. This

53:07

is dangerous. Just like you would tell your kids, this is a

53:09

part of town you don't want

53:11

to go to. We're looking for remember, there's no

53:13

natural selection occurring on cattle

53:16

ranches anymore.

53:16

We don't have a natural

53:18

wild

53:21

Wolfpack anymore that goes and takes

53:23

out the weaker links. We have to do

53:25

that. That's a rancher's job. So he's gonna

53:27

look for he's got we have

53:29

a certain set of performance parameters that we're selecting for. And if

53:31

they're not meeting that, they can't stay on the ranch as a

53:33

mother to produce

53:36

offspring.

53:38

That's fascinating. Yeah. And and, you know, I mean, it's really

53:41

simple. Another great example is, you know,

53:43

we talk to ranchers all the time

53:45

that use hormones. their growth

53:48

hormones, you know, just like, you

53:50

know, I don't know, just like a bodybuilder would

53:52

use testosterone, not very natural. Right? But it's it's

53:54

gonna get the job done. You're gonna build a lot of

53:56

muscle. And so we simply don't we

53:58

we don't do that. People's you know, we talk to ranchers and

54:01

they go, well, that's why I do that. I I want a heavier crop.

54:03

And I go, why don't you just select for heavier

54:05

crop? Well, because that's painful. Right? I've gotta get rid

54:07

of cows that I like and, you know, I've gotta

54:09

I've gotta do a hard job which is go out

54:11

and select and make judgments. I've got to track everybody and go,

54:13

well, this cow had that calf and that calf is not doing as

54:15

well as I'd like. And I've got to weigh things

54:17

and judge them and I've got to exercise

54:20

my skills. So

54:22

what we do is is we we do all of those

54:24

things. We keep track of which cow

54:26

had, what what son or daughter, which

54:30

polar heffertaph. and we judge that

54:32

and we rate it on a scale of one to ten. We look for all

54:34

the qualities we want. We want very short legs.

54:36

We want really stocky

54:38

if it's If it's a steer or a young bull calf, we want

54:40

a very small very

54:42

large shoulders, very small butt opposite on

54:45

a on a heffer. we're

54:47

looking for all those qualities, and then we're saying, okay,

54:49

number nine thirty eight, number nine thirty nine, and

54:51

and four seventy two are not gonna stick around next

54:53

year because they really didn't give us the cash they

54:55

want. Rather than know, the easy answer like you talked about with food earlier,

54:57

Sam is, well, let's just do what's easy. Right? Let's go get a

55:00

frozen pizza. Right? Okay.

55:02

Well,

55:02

let's just inject them with

55:03

hormones and we'll make a bad make

55:05

a good calf out of a marginal one by just

55:08

using artificial hormones, but that's done nothing

55:10

from my herd. And what

55:12

that results in is

55:14

later on, I have a whole lot less work. I mean,

55:16

our herds now, we've been doing this so long

55:18

that they're they're quite advanced. I mean,

55:20

we've kinda got the genetics we want. But if we took

55:22

a new ranch, and they just started from scratch. We go, okay, go get some cattle

55:24

and let's start going. And man, you'd probably lose

55:26

half of them in the first year.

55:29

and you just have to keep their heifers and

55:31

and raise them up in the mamas, and you

55:33

keep selecting and selecting and selecting until you get

55:35

what you want. So in a weird way, it's

55:37

like you're making your own

55:39

you don't breed.

55:40

Right? Could you eventually sell your cattle to

55:42

someone else? It sounds like you're like, this my

55:44

friends do this with English bulldogs. They keep the

55:46

ones they like. and then they get rid of the the ones they

55:49

don't like. It sounds like, could you sell your cattle

55:51

in a way and name it something else? because

55:53

you're you're making them yours. Well,

55:55

remember though, I'm I am I am I am the pariah. I'm the guy that's outside

55:57

the conventional system. Like for example,

55:59

the conventional system wants cattle with

56:01

very long legs.

56:04

If you don't know why,

56:05

it's because eventually those cows are going to have

56:07

calves and those calves are going to go

56:09

stand in a feedlot, and

56:11

they'll be knee deep and manure for -- Yeah. -- two thirds

56:13

of their life. Okay? I

56:15

want cows with short

56:17

legs because the conversion

56:20

between grass we call it a conversion. It's where they graze and how it gets

56:22

into their mouth is perhaps twelve

56:24

inches less over

56:26

lots

56:26

of generations. Remember,

56:27

we're having a

56:30

calf every year. And I we're gonna be in this business for my kids are

56:32

gonna be in this business. We got a hundred year

56:34

plan to restore the creek. They've got to stick around.

56:38

So so over many

56:40

many thousands and thousands of generations, I'm

56:42

saving energy because the cows are not

56:44

lifting grass into their mouths that they're

56:46

doing at twelve inches less. Right? Or So when you say saving energy,

56:49

you mean they burn fewer calories? Is that what you mean?

56:51

They burn yeah. So the less calories

56:53

they have convert using grazing, they're

56:56

actually converting to milk and meat and hide.

56:58

So so they're a much more efficient

57:00

converter or

57:02

conversion. Right. So I'm selecting

57:04

for cattle that have short legs. Right? So nobody

57:06

would no conventional answer would want micah. I was like,

57:08

gee, man. The first thing I gotta do is to breed longer

57:10

legs into these things. I gotta go find

57:12

a bowl got really long legs, and then that ruined my herd. Well, they

57:14

wanted to do it your way. You're able to be

57:16

the perfect ones to buy right off the bat. Well,

57:18

sure. But we gotta find, you know, ten thousand

57:20

crazy ranchers.

57:22

We

57:22

gotta find a bunch we gotta find

57:24

a bunch of lunatics. Yeah. We got

57:27

them. We got them. You

57:30

guys have you guys have a listen

57:32

together. There's there's a bunch of folks listening

57:34

right now that are like, oh, sign me up. I'll

57:36

be a

57:38

nutty Dude,

57:38

you're gonna get flooded, bro. I'm telling you right now.

57:40

So how often do you

57:42

do you have to do this with a cow?

57:44

How often do you have to have, like I

57:47

feel like I'm watching knocks, and they're making and

57:49

they're cutting players on the team. Yeah.

57:51

Oh, man. It's it's it's more like

57:54

god. It's more like that chefs show. What's the

57:56

one where they get the knife? I mean How's

57:58

it's it's Yeah. I also it's yeah.

58:00

I'm guy yeah. I'm guy Fieri of the cattle

58:02

industry now, and III don't have

58:05

the hair. Yeah. But

58:08

but no. It's ruthless. I mean, we're constantly I

58:10

mean, we're well, we have a crop every year. So

58:12

we go through the judgment process and

58:14

and and we'll look at it and go, you know, in fact, we just brought them all in and got

58:16

them. We did one of our ratings and I looked at all

58:18

the qualities of the cast. It takes a long time.

58:22

We gotta We gotta get on horseback. We gotta, you know, get the cows

58:24

separated from the calves. That's, you know, moms

58:26

and babies don't like to be apart. So that's a

58:28

whole, you know, half of the

58:30

workday there. you know, a full work

58:32

day. And then we you know, and then they've got to

58:34

be supplementally fed because they're inside the

58:36

crowd. So we give them some cut hay

58:38

or something. And then and then we've gotta we gotta judge

58:40

them. We gotta run them through and judge them based on

58:42

what we're looking for. You know, we'll sometimes spend

58:44

quite a few hours

58:46

out there late into the evening, you know, going, well, I really like six

58:48

eighty two, but I'm not sure about six

58:50

seventy. And then, of course, we know who the

58:52

bulls were.

58:54

We we do use naturables, but we're

58:56

moving we have started moving to a

58:58

natural an artificial insemination program

59:01

where we actually inseminate the cows

59:03

with semen that is collected from bulls, which we could

59:06

never afford. So I I can

59:08

say, buy a

59:10

semen tube for one of my cows. It's a few bucks, but that bull might

59:12

be a fifty thousand dollar bull. So I'd never be

59:14

able to afford the bull, but I can get

59:17

the semen from the bull. and

59:19

use it in my my growing program. Of course, we

59:21

keep detailed records on that. So if we do get

59:23

a calf that we like from a cow that we like, we can

59:25

look back at the father and say, okay, this was

59:27

This was the father that we got from that, and and

59:29

we'll look his number up in his qualities and

59:32

traits. And we can select based

59:34

on behavior You know, I

59:36

like I like I like cows that don't kick,

59:38

you know, when I'm in the corals on

59:40

foot, not on horseback, but on foot, I like a

59:42

cow that's not gonna kick me. because if

59:44

you've ever had a cow kick and if

59:46

you're a rancher, you're gonna have a cow kick.

59:48

Oh, they can do anything from from break your

59:50

job, put you in the

59:52

hospital months on end to make you feel really bad for the rest of the

59:54

day. Yeah. My grandmother almost

59:56

died that way. I mean, he's Oh. many times.

59:58

Yeah. I mean, he got also

59:59

charged a few times by, you know, a

1:00:02

protective cow, you know, which, I

1:00:04

mean, understandable. I'm sure you select for

1:00:06

that too. Right? Agression? Is that something Yeah. We

1:00:08

do. We want a mother that is just on the

1:00:10

edge of charging me. I don't want her to

1:00:12

charge me, but I want her to watch me like a hawk. If

1:00:14

I pull up to a a calf, she's

1:00:16

just had her calf or she's had her calf for

1:00:18

a day, and I come up on

1:00:20

horseback and I rope it to get it

1:00:22

tagged. I want her I

1:00:24

don't want her charge of me, but I want her pretty aggressive.

1:00:26

I want her going, hey, buddy, what are you doing? And

1:00:28

cows learn. I mean, they they we

1:00:30

have cows that, you know, don't have any teeth left,

1:00:32

and they've been in the herd for eight years,

1:00:34

giving us calves. And so they

1:00:37

know yeah, that goofball with the weird hat on the

1:00:39

horse. He's he's actually okay and I just kinda gotta

1:00:41

get over this feeling. That's a

1:00:43

lot different than wait

1:00:44

a second. There's a wolf over there. That wolf is not wearing a

1:00:47

hat. I'm pretty sure I need to take this thing

1:00:49

out or protect the Sounds like a lot of what

1:00:51

you're selecting for is intelligence. Right?

1:00:54

It it

1:00:54

really is. And cows are actually quite smart, and they're very habit forming when

1:00:56

they come into the corrals. They all get an

1:00:59

order, you know, numeric order.

1:01:02

it's it's really hilarious. One will be in front of the other, and they'll bump

1:01:04

them bump each other out of the way until they get into the

1:01:06

correct order. So there's a whole pecking

1:01:09

order, and that's of a thing, and they're very intelligent.

1:01:11

They're very they're very easy to select from them. You

1:01:14

can look at them. Okay. I I definitely like that

1:01:16

behavior. And we carry little notebooks around with us. I

1:01:18

mean, we interact

1:01:20

with our Most ranchers see their cows, you know, three times a

1:01:22

year, right, during processing, during branding,

1:01:24

during breeding. We see

1:01:28

our cows three times a day. So it's really easy to say, you know, it's

1:01:30

like having a high school class. Right? You're like, oh, yeah.

1:01:32

That kid's

1:01:34

a jerk. or or a little miss

1:01:36

Susie, boy. She's straight a's. III

1:01:38

was just five minutes.

1:01:40

So what is the natural

1:01:42

lifespan of a cow?

1:01:45

normally. Oh, we we keep them until

1:01:47

they can't go anymore.

1:01:50

So, you know, I mean, we we've seen

1:01:52

cows I I've got a friend that's got cows

1:01:54

that are ten, eleven years old. But

1:01:56

she'll keep giving you calves for quite

1:01:58

a few years. We we will

1:01:59

generally get 678 years

1:02:02

out of a good productive down. We want that

1:02:04

many. That gives us, you know, fifty percent of

1:02:06

them statistically are gonna

1:02:08

be boys and fifty percent are gonna be girls. So I can get a lot of replacement

1:02:10

out of that. That's called a replacement. When we get a

1:02:12

female, we go, hey, look, you know, we got

1:02:14

somebody who

1:02:16

can enter the breeding, enter the breeding cycle

1:02:18

in two years. They're bred in about fourteen months,

1:02:20

and then, of course, we need to select a bowl that's not

1:02:22

her father. Right? because that would produce

1:02:25

a big problem. And so there's quite a bit of record keeping and

1:02:27

quite a bit of, you know, statistical stuff

1:02:30

going on. Quick question.

1:02:31

Now related to that,

1:02:34

do you if you have a mother die or maybe she

1:02:36

has twins and doesn't

1:02:38

doesn't refuses to feed one of them, do you

1:02:40

bottle raise the calves or you

1:02:42

just sell No,

1:02:43

we won't. They generally we generally

1:02:45

kick them out to somebody that's got maybe a little

1:02:47

more time than us. It's pretty tough to bottle raise

1:02:49

a calf, and it's never gonna unless you have

1:02:52

milk cows to go with that. The

1:02:54

replacement, what they call it,

1:02:55

replacement milk, which is basically like a, you

1:02:57

know, a shake. Yeah. It's it's a

1:02:59

type shake. A formula. Yeah. Yeah.

1:03:01

And and, you know, I mean, we can get I can I can

1:03:03

walk out in a field that, you know, ten months

1:03:06

later, and we can point out the cow that was on

1:03:08

replacement. There's a cow that was yeah. They're

1:03:10

always small. So they're usually

1:03:12

not gonna be worth your time. We we

1:03:14

try to focus on what's going right rather than what's

1:03:16

going wrong. And we can give that to some kid who wants

1:03:18

to raise a little calf or something. And you know, they can have good

1:03:20

time with that and kinda learn some basics. But

1:03:22

it just does den generally, it

1:03:24

won't pay for itself. I

1:03:26

do understand that because you're all about

1:03:28

efficiency. Right? I mean, the whole operation. Oh, yeah. Really? Yeah. We

1:03:30

want so the the key is to let and

1:03:32

then this goes back to the regenerative principles, which are

1:03:35

are, you know, things like keep

1:03:37

the ground covered. low low soil disturbance.

1:03:39

And then one of my favorites is be a

1:03:41

lazy rancher. We call it cowboy lazy.

1:03:44

In other words, let the herd do the work

1:03:46

for you. they'll select

1:03:48

they'll do that sort of thing for you. You just

1:03:50

have to be, like I said, the orchestra conductor. I

1:03:52

don't have to play the violin. I've

1:03:54

just gotta tell them when to come in to make this all sound right. And

1:03:57

then you must have learned a little bit this

1:03:59

from someone else. Is there someone else that does that

1:04:02

has a us.

1:04:04

Yeah. A little bit. Are you

1:04:07

kidding me? Like, I I had told

1:04:09

you I was a marine helicopter pilot. I knew how

1:04:11

to fire fire hellfire missiles. Right?

1:04:13

I mean, we could hit a tank from

1:04:15

three three point four clicks away. But III didn't

1:04:18

you know, I mean, no. This I mean, I can

1:04:20

remember Scoopin Manure when I was in high

1:04:22

school on on the cattle ranch, but that was a conventional farm and we did a lot

1:04:24

of hay and that sort of thing. We don't hay our

1:04:26

fields. We

1:04:28

graze our

1:04:29

cows through in the winter. So

1:04:31

cows will snow grains. Most ranchers don't

1:04:33

know that as

1:04:34

long as they have something to eat. So we leave residual

1:04:36

hay on the field and then it up with

1:04:38

snow in the in their in the snowy season, and then

1:04:40

we we literally put in an

1:04:43

electric line and and ration it off for them,

1:04:45

and then they just graze right through the snow.

1:04:47

They'll graze through snow in the

1:04:49

wintertime. So we don't do any hang,

1:04:51

but a lot of these skills yeah. We I,

1:04:53

you know, I did a lot

1:04:55

of reading. I spent a lot of time with the experts in the

1:04:57

field, the Joel Salatins of the world, the Gabe Brown's who just

1:05:00

wrote a great book called dirt to soil.

1:05:02

He's a really neat guy. We spent a

1:05:04

lot of time on conferences

1:05:06

online, we'll do Zoom calls, and

1:05:08

and share knowledge, or somebody will host something. But

1:05:10

a lot of it is just trial and error

1:05:12

because one of the other principles of REGENERATE

1:05:15

regenerative agriculture is what works on your ranch, won't

1:05:17

work on mine. And that's just

1:05:20

simple. That's just simply that diversity thing. I

1:05:22

mean, unless you're my next door neighbor, which

1:05:24

is pretty unusual. It's just

1:05:26

not gonna work. You're gonna have

1:05:28

to take the principles, the tools that you

1:05:30

have, and you're gonna have to adapt them to the environment

1:05:32

that you're in. For example, we when

1:05:34

we were raising chickens in California, we could do

1:05:37

it all year round. When we got to

1:05:39

the Wyoming ranch, they all died. I mean,

1:05:41

it was thirteen degrees below zero. I

1:05:43

was like, oh, wow. That's that's obviously not gonna

1:05:45

work. Not to mention, we were then

1:05:47

pushing against nature. We're not doing

1:05:49

what nature is intended for us to do because

1:05:51

the chickens can't live without eat artificial whatever. So

1:05:53

we ended up changing our production schedule

1:05:55

instead of doing, you know, a hundred chickens a month

1:05:57

for the whole year.

1:05:59

we just did, you know, a few thousand in

1:06:02

the in the ninety days of really great warm weather

1:06:04

where a chicken really does quite well. They have

1:06:06

a body temperature of a hundred and five

1:06:08

degrees, so So they're gonna do much better in a ninety plus degree

1:06:10

day than they are in a a forty two

1:06:12

degree day, because they're gonna

1:06:14

devote too much of that caloric energy to

1:06:16

keep in their

1:06:18

body warm. How

1:06:19

many farms do you own? Well, we have three little

1:06:21

two

1:06:21

little operations and one

1:06:24

big one. And

1:06:26

one of our first ones is just run by an intern, and then we've got staff

1:06:28

on another one, and then we've got the

1:06:30

one. I'm currently on the guest ranch in

1:06:32

Wyoming. That's where I reside. most

1:06:34

of the time because we've got the internship program and they require,

1:06:37

you know, they just finished up here

1:06:39

a few days ago. It's

1:06:41

been a couple weeks. So

1:06:43

they all went home and

1:06:46

and and, you know, I was full time

1:06:48

teaching on on that program

1:06:50

because there's quite a bit involved in that. You

1:06:52

know, they they need a lot

1:06:54

of hands on instruction. But

1:06:56

but, yeah, we've learned a lot

1:06:58

from from a you know, we took a lot of our knowledge from books.

1:07:00

We did a lot of just curiosity and reading.

1:07:02

And then, of course, when social media started

1:07:04

to really come on strong, then you could group

1:07:06

up with other people that were in the regenerative

1:07:08

agriculture world and you you started to realize,

1:07:10

man, I'm not the only one. That's I think one of the greatest lives that we hear

1:07:13

all the time is you're the only dude suffering

1:07:15

through this right now. You know, you're like,

1:07:17

no, there's probably some other lunatic

1:07:20

rancher sucker out there that's probably, you

1:07:22

know, eight feet deep in snow trying to

1:07:24

figure out how he's gonna how he's gonna

1:07:26

survive this, you know. So yeah.

1:07:28

So it's really nice to be a part of the community,

1:07:30

and and that's come to fruition, I would say, within

1:07:32

the last few years since we're starting to see

1:07:34

more and more of that. I'm curious now. I I was

1:07:36

sorry, Sam. I I kinda just real quick. I was I was

1:07:39

checking your Instagram here. First of all, I saw this beautiful

1:07:41

tri tip. I'm trying to get people on the East

1:07:43

Coast to get into tri tips. I don't

1:07:45

know why we can't get nobody on the East Coast. He's attractive. It's the most It's

1:07:47

the best. Oh, it's the best. Yeah. But no.

1:07:49

That makes me that makes me

1:07:51

more about marketing. do you

1:07:54

how where where does most

1:07:55

of your meat go? Is it is it

1:07:57

direct to directly to people, all of it?

1:07:59

How

1:07:59

does that work? because I I imagine that

1:08:02

would be the the number one thing. You'd

1:08:04

first have to before you even endeavored on

1:08:06

this, you'd have to make sure you could actually sell the meat. Right? So

1:08:08

you don't lose all your money. Yeah.

1:08:09

You can grow the best crop in the world and not not

1:08:11

be able to move it, and you're not gonna have any cash flow

1:08:13

when you're gonna be out of business. So you've got to focus

1:08:16

on your customers.

1:08:18

And we've gone through a number of

1:08:20

different evolutions over the years of how this works.

1:08:22

We started very simply by just calling neighbors.

1:08:25

It depends on I mean, we were

1:08:27

in Southern California at the time. So calling your neighbors, you

1:08:30

know, I mean, there are geez. There are towns in

1:08:32

Southern California,

1:08:34

that outnumber the state I currently live in,

1:08:36

just towns. So, you know, you've we

1:08:38

we focused on LA, San Diego, and Orange County.

1:08:40

That's kinda where we built our base. That's where

1:08:42

we have sort of a we've got a lot

1:08:44

of a lot of customer based on there, and that's just great because then

1:08:47

you've got consolidated delivery and that sort of thing. But it

1:08:49

didn't just happen like that. I

1:08:51

mean, we spent years and years

1:08:53

building that customer base. We we started going to farmer's markets and it was

1:08:55

just one stand. It was my father-in-law and my mother-in-law

1:08:57

and I and my wife, and we would

1:08:59

just go and talk

1:09:02

to people and tell them their stories. The difference is that

1:09:05

the proof is in the pudding. When

1:09:07

you have our beef, when you

1:09:09

have beef directly from a ranch that's dry

1:09:11

aged, it just blows your mind. And so the the product really does sell

1:09:13

itself. It's just a matter of convincing

1:09:15

people to buy that. And

1:09:18

sometimes at thirteen bucks a pound,

1:09:20

That takes a lot of convincing, but then they

1:09:22

usually try it and go, man, I've never had anything like that before. No. You're not any aging.

1:09:24

Are you? You're

1:09:27

not doing aging. Right? What do you

1:09:29

mean? Yeah. I mean Who's butchering? Right? You you actually have butchering

1:09:31

operation or is that is that a We do.

1:09:34

Yeah. We we was part of the latter part of the evolution of the company as

1:09:36

we decided that we needed to have our own

1:09:39

butcher plant because we could raise

1:09:42

the best beef in the world and hand it to the butcher, and he could get the instructions

1:09:44

around and ruin it.

1:09:46

And so we actually

1:09:49

just finished a lease on a processing plant and we're building our own processing plant because

1:09:51

we really need, not only do we need to have that quality

1:09:53

control, but we also need the

1:09:56

food security. Remember

1:09:58

I mentioned that, you know, all the beef is controlled by four

1:10:01

major companies. So the the way

1:10:03

that's structured is if if

1:10:05

if if USDA, the

1:10:07

big brother doesn't want small producers. All

1:10:09

they gotta do is come up with some wacky rule that some small

1:10:11

producer can't abide by. Like for example, you need to put

1:10:13

in a we found a a

1:10:15

piece of metal and some ground

1:10:17

beef one day. So you need to put in a, you know, a four hundred fifty thousand dollar metal

1:10:19

detector that all of your meat passes under to make

1:10:22

sure that once it's packaged, there's no metal

1:10:24

in it.

1:10:27

Well, yeah, that's great. For the guy that's got, you know, who's gonna produce,

1:10:29

you know, process three beef a week, he's never gonna

1:10:31

be able to afford

1:10:31

that, so he's out of

1:10:33

business. And that's a federal regulation. So Now they can't sell to anybody. Right? You

1:10:36

gotta have that federal inspector with

1:10:37

his federal stamp to and his white

1:10:39

lab coat that's able to tell whether or

1:10:41

not an animal's safe to eat by just

1:10:43

looking at it. That's I still haven't heard

1:10:45

of that one out. That makes no sense. Yeah. So in order

1:10:47

to in order to play in the big kids game, you've gotta

1:10:50

play by the big kids'

1:10:52

rules. And frankly, they're

1:10:54

bullies. And so small producers need to have control of their own facilities.

1:10:56

And so we do

1:10:58

a lot of custom beefing.

1:11:01

for example, when you buy a beef from us, we

1:11:03

it your name. people realize that have Like a title. So, you know, Johnny, if you've

1:11:06

got a if you've got a, you

1:11:08

know, twenty

1:11:11

sixteen accurate or something. And and and and and

1:11:13

and you're driving it around all day, the bank

1:11:15

could have the title because you have a

1:11:17

lien on it. So it

1:11:18

doesn't technically belong to you. until

1:11:21

they

1:11:21

grant that title to you. So it's the same thing with

1:11:23

cattle. If I sell you a cow, live, we call the brand

1:11:25

inspector. He looks it

1:11:27

over for brands. And then they

1:11:29

write an official sealed state endorsed title over to Johnny, and now Johnny owns it. I

1:11:32

mean, it's his. Right? I

1:11:34

couldn't take it if I wanted

1:11:36

to. And so

1:11:38

we title the beef over to the customer. And once it's theirs, we're not running a

1:11:41

commercial production

1:11:43

running facility.

1:11:43

We're just

1:11:46

we're

1:11:46

just they've hired

1:11:47

us to participate in the in part of

1:11:49

the processing. What does that work?

1:11:51

So so they produce their they process their

1:11:53

own cow. And now if the USDA comes out

1:11:55

and says, Hey, metal detectors for everybody. We go, well, this this is this

1:11:57

guy's cow. He's he's just cutting it up

1:11:59

for himself. He he

1:12:02

can't talk. I love it. I love it. life finds a

1:12:04

way since it's the ultimate

1:12:06

in food rebellion. I love

1:12:08

it. You know,

1:12:09

I mean, we we on the show

1:12:11

have talked many times especially

1:12:13

with Grey Carwood, the war on farmers. Yep. Yep. You know,

1:12:16

Trudeau is

1:12:19

losing it, Denmark's, losing

1:12:21

it. You know, thank God for the Internet. I mean, as much as they say, the

1:12:24

government, you know, dark all that stuff.

1:12:26

I don't know if it got away from

1:12:28

them. or

1:12:31

whatever happened, but shows like this and it's

1:12:33

higher side chats and all these

1:12:36

this information is getting out.

1:12:38

People are waking up to this

1:12:40

climate change be assets going on that

1:12:42

they're trying to use to control farmers. because

1:12:46

when you can If you control the energy, control the

1:12:48

food, you control the money, you control

1:12:50

people, and that's what they're doing. If

1:12:54

you make food scarcity, okay, you

1:12:56

use a scarcity model when it comes to food.

1:12:58

You can control people. But abundance is out there and it

1:13:01

sounds like that's

1:13:03

what you're doing. What do you think about

1:13:05

what's been going on on a global scale to to

1:13:08

farmers? Well, you

1:13:10

know, this hard back to the earlier question, can we do this

1:13:12

nationwide? Could we make this work? The

1:13:14

answer is, when we took over the

1:13:17

Wyoming ranch, they were running that as hard and

1:13:19

as fast as they could, spraying as many chemicals on it,

1:13:21

running, grazing it right to the

1:13:22

ground, and they were carrying, are

1:13:25

you ready for this? They were carrying fifty

1:13:27

head account. fifty head on a thousand acres. Wow. And we got

1:13:29

here the first moment

1:13:30

we got here, we changed

1:13:34

the grazing And we we, you know, the grasses respond,

1:13:36

it takes about two to three years,

1:13:38

but we change the grazing. And within

1:13:40

within a year and a half time,

1:13:42

we're running a hundred and thirty seven We

1:13:44

expect to be at four hundred

1:13:47

on the same acre acreage within the next five years. So we're talking, what,

1:13:49

eight times productivity on

1:13:51

the same ground.

1:13:54

Now

1:13:55

listen, Sam, if you've got

1:13:57

a Tesla factory and you're building Tesla's,

1:13:59

which I know you don't. But

1:14:02

if you're building teslas and some genius

1:14:04

comes up to you and says, hey, boss, we can

1:14:06

produce eight times the cars we're producing with the

1:14:08

same overhead. What do you think? You know, if

1:14:11

it's doable, you'd sign on to that in

1:14:13

a second. Go. So my point is

1:14:15

this. We are not producing

1:14:17

an abundance because our hands are tied

1:14:19

in the If start cattle properly, if

1:14:21

we start managing the grasses,

1:14:23

not the cows, If

1:14:27

we start thinking about the ecosystem, the surrounding erosion systems, the

1:14:29

all the things that the plants and

1:14:31

animals need, if we if

1:14:33

we start doing things right we will become productive

1:14:35

because nature is abundantly productive. That's the same

1:14:38

principle of people healing. Right? The muscle

1:14:40

that we tore apart in the

1:14:42

gym is going to heal. and it's going to heal bigger, better, stronger.

1:14:44

My wife's gut that had to

1:14:46

go through leaky gut syndrome and

1:14:48

and, you know, had that

1:14:50

autoimmune disease, it healed because we

1:14:53

treated it right. Nature, real, heal. It is extremely forgiving. I mean, it's a surprising

1:14:55

to me that we're still alive

1:14:58

right now as a

1:15:00

society. So if

1:15:02

we can if we can educate and train and get the rancers into actually

1:15:08

doing, and you don't have to

1:15:10

be a genius. I mean, this stuff kinda comes a lot naturally. If they can see it happen, and the those,

1:15:12

you know, the veil falls from

1:15:14

their eyes, we could we could produce

1:15:18

way more than we're producing right now.

1:15:20

I I concur,

1:15:22

man. I think

1:15:24

the universe is abundance

1:15:27

and we'll we'll provide if you show

1:15:29

love and and respect mother nature. So I wanna get

1:15:31

into what can I what can

1:15:33

I what can Johnny

1:15:35

Xavier, the the swarm,

1:15:37

that's who listens to the show.

1:15:39

What can they do to help help small

1:15:40

ranchers? What can

1:15:43

we do? Find one. fine

1:15:46

one Find one. Get one. It doesn't have

1:15:48

to be us. Just go find one. Go find

1:15:50

somebody that's near if you're in LA, go

1:15:52

find the nearest one you can find. But

1:15:54

if you're out in a rural area, they shouldn't

1:15:56

be hard to find find one and get involved. Say, hey, okay,

1:15:58

what do you produce and how can I get it? It and

1:16:00

how can i get could be

1:16:03

as simple as as, you know, just getting eggs from somebody. Right? because

1:16:05

now you're supporting your dollar,

1:16:07

which is extremely powerful

1:16:10

as weakened as it is, and as much as the whatever

1:16:12

is messed with it, you

1:16:14

can you can actually have that

1:16:16

go. If you can get it to

1:16:18

the right person, it can become extremely

1:16:20

valuable. It can become very productive. So the first thing

1:16:22

I would say is connect with somebody that's actually producing food

1:16:25

and find a way

1:16:27

to support them. A lot of people

1:16:29

do it through a farmer's market, but the

1:16:31

markets become become little actually left farmer's markets

1:16:34

because there were so much

1:16:37

kinda goofery going on. There were people selling meats that they were just buying

1:16:39

on the, you know, market and nobody was actually and it's not too hard.

1:16:41

You could spend a week with us and you'd

1:16:43

have all the right questions. and

1:16:46

stay as fast. That was about You'd see right through you'd

1:16:49

see right through a phony. Yeah. You could

1:16:51

notice that. Right? I'm guessing a farmer like you

1:16:53

can go into because that farmer's market I

1:16:55

believe them. I believe but you could size it the

1:16:57

color or just too much You just gotta you just gotta talk to the people and

1:16:59

ask questions. Yeah. It's really simple. Yeah.

1:17:02

So if somebody raise you know, if somebody says, hey, I'm raising cattle, like, oh, you

1:17:05

know, you can ask. And I used to do this.

1:17:07

I'd I'd take this thing off. Right?

1:17:09

And I and I'd wear flip flops and put a put

1:17:11

a hat on backwards and go into a farmer's market

1:17:14

and just pretend like a dummy. It was amazing.

1:17:16

It was one of my we used to, you know,

1:17:18

we used to do it for fun. If if people wouldn't

1:17:20

recognize when we were younger, you know, a lot but,

1:17:22

you know, as I've got What's a question where people are like, hey, I recognize that guy. What's a question

1:17:24

we can ask out here now?

1:17:26

Like, let's say, well, I do wanna

1:17:28

get a how do how what's the

1:17:31

question I can ask and be like, okay. He he find he he's a rancher. He's doing it. Yeah. an excellent so

1:17:34

we dedicated an entire

1:17:36

website sunrise

1:17:38

ranch dot com, which links to

1:17:40

the store, it links to the whole beef program, and

1:17:42

it links to the to our

1:17:45

our our guest ranch. but that's the hub. Right? That's

1:17:47

and that's the one that doesn't sell you anything.

1:17:49

You can read articles on there that will

1:17:52

enlighten you in terms of how

1:17:54

animals should be raised, and you can develop your own set of questions. don't have them written out. But for Instagram

1:17:56

of that egg that

1:17:59

we talked about. Right? You

1:18:02

can say, well, well, how do you raise your chickens?

1:18:04

And they'll go, well, we just put

1:18:06

them out in one area. Well, if you

1:18:08

read my articles, you can see that if chickens

1:18:11

don't move on a daily basis, they they

1:18:13

Chickens have this really neat mantra. It's called two steps

1:18:15

in poop. Chicken manure is

1:18:17

extremely high

1:18:20

in nitrogen. And if it's left, if

1:18:22

a chicken is left in one area too long, they'll turn it into concrete for you. I mean, it'll be poop

1:18:24

concrete. They'll graze everything

1:18:26

right down in the nuts.

1:18:29

if you're not rotating your chickens

1:18:31

out on pasture, you're gonna get rapidly

1:18:33

high and increasing levels of nitrogen in

1:18:36

those soils. and they're gonna

1:18:38

become denuded, which means basically bear. And the chicken won't won't have any

1:18:41

forage to

1:18:44

feed on. and and the soils will begin

1:18:46

to deplete really rapidly. So you have to move your chicken and it's very very quickly. So you can

1:18:50

you can go and look that picture that talked about, and it'll say

1:18:52

these are the things you kinda wanna look for in an

1:18:54

egg. We'll then just develop a set of questions

1:18:57

that comes naturally for you.

1:18:59

I could give you up, then you'd sound like

1:19:01

a recording. Mhmm. You could send a a questions that kinda are certain like an

1:19:03

investigative reporter, and then you can pop into

1:19:06

the to the to the egg stand

1:19:08

there with the lady that's selling eggs or whatever and go, well, tell me about how

1:19:10

you raise your chickens, you know? How does this what what kind of thing? And

1:19:13

if they're using keywords like,

1:19:15

oh, a free range, Okay? Well, what

1:19:17

does that mean to you? What what does actually free range mean? But in

1:19:19

order to ask that question intelligently, you've got to have background knowledge. And so we

1:19:21

ask you to come on to sunrise

1:19:23

ranch dot com And

1:19:26

and, you know, just do some

1:19:28

reading. Just spend a lot of time reading through. You

1:19:30

know, how should pigs be raised? You know, where

1:19:32

where should they live? What what kind of

1:19:34

nutrients should they produce. These are things that would be basic to anybody

1:19:37

that's in a regenerative agriculture system

1:19:39

or in a in a farming

1:19:41

thing is right. They should

1:19:43

Here's the thing. if you ask me

1:19:45

some of those questions, I can't shut up. I mean, I just proved that to you for, like, the

1:19:47

last two hours. Right? If you go

1:19:50

to a farmer's market and

1:19:53

dopas there and they don't wanna talk about their chickens. They're

1:19:55

not chicken razors. They should be so excited they're firming at the mouth. let me tell you

1:19:57

about how I raise my

1:19:59

chickens. It's

1:19:59

a cool ever, and

1:20:02

they do this for the environment, and they do

1:20:04

this for the water cycle in exiting. That's that's Or their cows or

1:20:06

whatever. So you can you can develop a set you can educate

1:20:08

yourself and

1:20:10

then go get connected with a rancher. And that

1:20:12

that'll really help that'll really help muddle

1:20:15

through all those fancy labels

1:20:17

and keywords that really don't mean anything.

1:20:19

are there things that we in our modern

1:20:21

day society do that actually

1:20:23

hurt your efforts Yeah.

1:20:28

Yeah. There are. Yeah.

1:20:30

There are. You know, we

1:20:33

we don't

1:20:33

get too much into politics because, one, I'm a

1:20:35

libertarian, so I nobody. I

1:20:38

make everyone mad. But

1:20:41

we do occasionally get asked, for example, on certain initiatives that are coming

1:20:43

out, like there there

1:20:46

was one recently where

1:20:49

they had to to I I don't know,

1:20:51

outlaw fairrowing

1:20:52

crates. If you know what

1:20:54

a fairing crate is, that's

1:20:58

that's a trait that they put a mama pig into,

1:21:00

and and it's designed so that she mama

1:21:02

pigs are huge. They're like four hundred pounds. We've

1:21:04

got a bunch here. and their piglets are literally

1:21:06

like that big. They're like the size of my hat. Now, I mean, they're extremely small and they weigh, well, jeez, a

1:21:08

pound and a half or two pounds

1:21:10

on the day they're born

1:21:12

and By

1:21:15

the way, for all your mothers out there, there's like eight

1:21:17

or twelve of them, and they all

1:21:19

come with teeth. So imagine

1:21:21

that in terms of

1:21:23

a sucky Right? You gotta yeah. Your

1:21:25

job's to roll over and let eight or twelve creatures with

1:21:27

teeth teeth suckle on you. Talk about

1:21:29

funniest thing in the world to watch.

1:21:32

So if you've

1:21:34

ever played a whole bunch of feet at the same time. hilarious. It's cute. And they're they're have great

1:21:36

personality. So these furrowing

1:21:39

crates are designed. Right? for

1:21:43

a pig in confinement to to not roll over

1:21:45

on her piglets. And so there was initiative

1:21:47

about a year ago, and we had we wrote an

1:21:49

article because a bunch of our customers wrote in and said, what

1:21:51

do we say about this do we what's

1:21:53

our position? I go, you know, I don't really know, but this is kind of what I had in mind. And it was about

1:21:55

how they needed to outlaw the fair end

1:21:57

crates because they were cruel

1:22:00

and unusual. And

1:22:02

the problem was, this was the biggest

1:22:04

problem. We're trying to use

1:22:06

laws to correct behaviors that

1:22:08

should should never have been we

1:22:11

shouldn't have incurred in the first place. I mean, when we

1:22:13

when we fair our our pigs, we do them out

1:22:15

in the open. They just they

1:22:17

just got, look, Listen, pigs have been really

1:22:19

good at having piglets for, like, thousands of

1:22:21

years. I'm pretty sure I'm not gonna be

1:22:23

the guy that comes on the scene and

1:22:25

goes, hey, I got a new idea. This will

1:22:27

work perfectly. No. No. We just put our pick we get them bread

1:22:29

and then we put them out in in, you know, kinda in

1:22:31

the open. We make sure that there's no

1:22:33

predators around and we make sure that

1:22:35

they're alone because pigs, mama pigs will eat

1:22:37

other little baby piglets, and we make sure the boar's gone because he'll eat the pig piglets. We

1:22:40

just make sure

1:22:42

she's alone. And guess

1:22:44

what? she'll do a really good job

1:22:46

of not rolling over on her pigs, on her little baby piglets. And if she does, guess what?

1:22:48

She gets the red mark of

1:22:50

death. She goes to Camp Butcher.

1:22:53

she goes to the freezer for the weekend.

1:22:56

Right? We say, oh, you're out. You rolled over on your piglets, you

1:22:58

know. I mean, I can't keep you. The problem was these barreling

1:23:00

crates and

1:23:03

rolled over and killed him. You know, she suffocates him. These fairing crates

1:23:06

were part of the conventional

1:23:08

industrial hog

1:23:10

farm system where it's all confined and temperature controlled and

1:23:12

wash out with water. And they've got

1:23:14

maneuver lagoons in the back because

1:23:17

that's where all the maneuver goes. And and

1:23:19

it's an industrial system. So you're voting on you're voting

1:23:21

on an industrial aspect for an industrial

1:23:23

system. I can't tell you how

1:23:25

to vote. And but yet a whole bunch of

1:23:27

people voted that way. And guess what? All the

1:23:29

pork producers said, that's it. We're out of

1:23:32

California. because they said,

1:23:33

no, it's just too expensive. I mean, Number one

1:23:35

is two hazardous. We can't just have you know, we don't know how

1:23:37

to free range pigs. We so nobody has that kind of

1:23:39

not those large industrial systems. they

1:23:42

can't do it economically on the level that they that they were doing it before. So they would if they did comply by that they'd

1:23:47

be, you know, unsustainable economically. So they

1:23:49

basically just pulled out and said, why don't you guys find your bacon

1:23:51

somewhere else? Oh. What

1:23:55

are

1:23:55

your thoughts Oh,

1:23:57

go on. Sorry. Well, so that was that was, you know, that was a vote. Right? That the California's

1:23:59

and and this is the biggest

1:23:59

problem I think is people

1:24:02

do things to appease their comp.

1:24:05

their their conscience. I understand that, especially when it comes to animals. And

1:24:07

so they'll make a vote and they'll say, okay, we

1:24:11

want that policy And and

1:24:13

there I've done my part. Well, actually, you haven't.

1:24:15

You made the problem worse. What you needed to do is go find a real rancher that's doing things the right way

1:24:17

and give your ten or twelve bucks

1:24:19

for bacon to him. instead

1:24:22

of these these charlatans and characters that

1:24:24

are ruined in the ecosystem.

1:24:27

What are your thoughts

1:24:29

on Bill Gates? And whether he's buying

1:24:31

up all this land? Yeah. So

1:24:33

he is buying up land. That's

1:24:35

actually a thing. and

1:24:37

it is really happening. There's also a large number of environmental

1:24:39

groups that are taking gigantic swaths

1:24:44

of land and they're they're saying, we wanna

1:24:46

just get the land so that there can't be any federally issued grazing or anything

1:24:52

like that. this

1:24:52

is where it gets really sketchy. So this

1:24:54

will get me rocks let's see. I'll get rocks thrown at me from the right on this one, I think.

1:24:58

if if you were really trying to protect

1:25:00

the environment, that would actually seem

1:25:02

like a logical conclusion. And just

1:25:04

bear with

1:25:05

me on this. You could actually

1:25:07

come to that conclusion. If you put yourself

1:25:09

in those people sandals for a few minutes, you'll you'll say to yourself, wait a second. I got

1:25:11

billions and what do I wanna do to help the

1:25:15

environment?

1:25:15

But let me ask you this guys on the right end ranchers that are wearing

1:25:17

cowboy hats if you're out there.

1:25:19

What's perpetuating that?

1:25:22

Why are they doing that? It's because they're driving by your ranch and

1:25:24

seeing abuse of land year

1:25:26

after year after year. They're

1:25:28

seeing erosion. They're seeing

1:25:30

water systems and watersheds damaged.

1:25:33

If you change your management, you'll become a shining light rather than

1:25:35

an example of what not to do. And then

1:25:37

those guys will go,

1:25:40

well, yeah, all buy a plant, but

1:25:42

I want a regenerative agriculture rancher guy that's going to increase water flows, you know, protect the environment,

1:25:44

see things better, healthier animals,

1:25:46

right, less abuse of the animals.

1:25:50

better grazing, better soils, better

1:25:52

plant management. So, you know, I think we have AII

1:25:55

yeah. It's easy to beat up on the

1:25:57

build gates and all that stuff, and I'm

1:25:59

obviously not a fan of that. know, taking land just out

1:26:01

of production, which by the way

1:26:04

theoretically, have

1:26:04

you ever seen anything in

1:26:06

nature that doesn't have animals? associated

1:26:09

with it. Right? I mean, you never see anything that doesn't have animals. My question for those guys that are buying all

1:26:11

this land is, well, what kind of

1:26:14

animals are you gonna put there?

1:26:17

You

1:26:17

think you're gonna go back to the Buffalo? Okay. What's gonna prey on the Buffalo? Oh,

1:26:19

you're gonna have wolves? Okay. And how are you gonna contain those wolves? Oh, that's

1:26:22

right. So we're gonna what

1:26:25

we're only gonna have wolves on your ranch. They're

1:26:27

not gonna come over to my ranch, which is right next door. So you've got a really complex problem. I

1:26:31

I listen, it it'd be great if we could

1:26:33

just all drift back to the past and live live blissfully like the Native Americans also. Hey, listen.

1:26:35

We already built the the

1:26:38

swimming pools in i five.

1:26:40

Okay? It's already in. The fence lines are

1:26:42

up. The cities are there. It's already been done. We really need to come up with a solution that works

1:26:47

right now. and that's not just buying land and

1:26:50

taking every animal off of it. On the other hand, it's also not just buying up all the land and

1:26:52

obusively grazing it for

1:26:54

the last penny in profit.

1:26:57

I I just think that there's just a narrative

1:26:59

being put out there to demonize certain

1:27:04

things. and that people, especially we

1:27:06

see these big cities that are super liberal,

1:27:10

you

1:27:10

know, talk used to have a joke about everyone's like zoo's tree animals like

1:27:12

shit. I'm like, you know, treats animals even

1:27:14

worse. Mother Nature. I mean, the

1:27:17

murder rate is like

1:27:19

one hogs percent. Oh my

1:27:21

gosh. Yeah. Yeah. We we get a occasionally, we'll get a phone call. One of my favorite phone calls is

1:27:23

is as, you

1:27:28

know, somebody with a sociology degree that

1:27:30

calls and says, and I'm just joking about that. I don't know if that's right. Hey.

1:27:32

Are your animals

1:27:35

buttered you mainly? when I

1:27:37

go, ma'am, there's

1:27:38

no humane way to kill anything. I said, by comparison,

1:27:41

they're

1:27:44

slightly less There's slightly more humane

1:27:46

than nature because nature, what nature does is it chases you down while you're running at full

1:27:48

speed and bites your neck

1:27:50

until you bleed to death. Yeah.

1:27:53

Does that work for you? Yeah. I go, man. I go, listen. We're we're much more humane than

1:27:55

that. I care about my animals, you know,

1:27:58

I I actually you know, I

1:27:59

mean, III

1:28:03

really care about my animals. So I'm like, I don't wanna see

1:28:05

you get chased down and eaten alive. So

1:28:07

perhaps maybe we just do it this way

1:28:09

and when it's your time to go, we like to say that

1:28:11

our animals live a great life and have one

1:28:13

bad moment. Okay? But it is

1:28:16

far better,

1:28:18

far better. nature. You're absolutely right. Its brutal

1:28:20

nature is really tough. And by the

1:28:22

way, for you folks that are vegetarians who

1:28:24

say, oh, well, I don't wanna kill anything.

1:28:26

Hey, listen right now. you're killing things on the order of billions. There

1:28:29

are more bacteria killing

1:28:32

stuff inside

1:28:34

your stomach. than there are people on the face of the earth right now

1:28:36

in terms of new Well, and then the way

1:28:38

I mean, the way they harvest crops, I

1:28:41

mean, all the all the mice

1:28:43

die in those fields all I

1:28:45

mean, just it's a slaughter of mice. Any any bugs that are in those fields,

1:28:47

they're all destroyed when they when the way they harvest crops. Well,

1:28:49

you know, in the

1:28:52

modern agriculture. Right? Yeah.

1:28:54

They just had a massive outbreak of e coli in wheat. Now if you're drinking with me e coli,

1:28:56

it comes from the

1:28:58

intestines of an animal. Right?

1:29:02

So how did that get into wheat? Well, it's really

1:29:04

simple. Yeah. All the mice and all the small

1:29:06

animals got chopped up into the grain and put

1:29:08

into the grain harvest, and that's how the e

1:29:10

coli kicked through. Do you produce

1:29:11

do you make any, like, mass crops? Is it do

1:29:13

you have any any huge crops out there that

1:29:15

you that you produce? No.

1:29:17

We don't. We we only graze

1:29:19

grass. Now one of the things

1:29:21

we're working on that we wanna move towards, but

1:29:23

we're not there yet. Is is I'm not I'm a rancher, not much

1:29:27

of a So we've got a, you know, we've

1:29:29

got a vegetable crop here that we put in for the cookhouse and for our guests on

1:29:31

the guest ranch.

1:29:35

We don't sell any of that. It's just used for our own production. And of course, we

1:29:37

eat from that because it's imperative that

1:29:39

we're at optimal health. And

1:29:41

so we don't eat processed foods. If we make anything, we make

1:29:44

it from scratch, whether it's

1:29:46

for the family or otherwise.

1:29:48

And then we will buy,

1:29:50

you know, we'll buy organically raised a

1:29:52

whole grains and we'll actually grain our grind our own grain if we're

1:29:54

ever gonna have bread which is pretty rare in the family and that sort of a

1:29:56

thing. We do that a lot for guests, but

1:29:58

that's a separate kind of entity right next

1:30:02

or we, you know, we have a cook staff over

1:30:04

there that does that sort of a thing. But as far

1:30:06

as that's a great question is, how do I raise pigs

1:30:08

and how do I chickens. Well, we go and we

1:30:10

go to an organic farmer in Montana, and he's really good at that. And so we buy our greens from him

1:30:13

and then we

1:30:16

come back and we grind them forty eight

1:30:18

hours, generally speaking. If you do it a lot longer than that,

1:30:20

it'll lose nutritional value and then your

1:30:22

animals won't won't gain quite as much.

1:30:26

So we have our own brain grinder and we mix

1:30:28

our own custom seed mixtures, you

1:30:30

know, from our wheat and our peas