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In this episode, I share my
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Get excited, because this is
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Tiny
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Leaps. Big Changes.
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Welcome to another episode
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of Tiny Leaps. Big
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Changes, where I share simple strategies you
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can use to get more out of your life. My
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name is Greg Clunis. So
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about two years ago, I decided to learn to code,
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and it was really, really intimidating.
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This is something that I had tried
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and failed at for many, many years. I actually have
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a minor in computer science from when I was
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a kid,
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and I had to take a class in computer science from when I was in college. because
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I at some point decided to major in
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computer science and I just couldn't
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do it. I had passed
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enough of my classes that I finished
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with the minor but I just could not
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think in the way that these other
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students could and for a long
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time that was the story that I told myself that
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coding was something I was interested
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in it was something that I enjoyed
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the idea of but that my brain
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just didn't work that way it
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just couldn't I was not able to understand
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things the way that you
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needed to in
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order to be a software engineer
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and I accepted that
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fast-forward probably
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a decade or so and I finally
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decided I'm going to commit to
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the idea of learning to code and I did this
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for a number of reasons the biggest one
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the biggest motivation for me at the time was
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that I had a specific project
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that was the app for this community that
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I wanted to work on I wanted to build that
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was it I just wanted to get
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this thing out into the world and I
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didn't have enough money to hire
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an engineer so the natural response was
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I'm just gonna learn how to build it this is an important
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thing that I want to call out in this episode
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because I think finding that real
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motivation whatever it might be
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is gonna be important for a lot of you it's
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not important for everyone it's certainly not
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a catch-all suggestion but in
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my experience when I'm
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starting to learn something new having
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a real purpose attached to
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it a real reason to be learning it does
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an enormous amount for my ability to
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go through the next part because
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my experience learning to code was quite
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frankly awful it absolutely sucked
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every single day I felt like
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I was bashing my head against a brick
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wall just struggling to
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make sense of anything
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And
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I ended it not
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only getting it, being able to build
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things, being able to come up with ideas and form
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those ideas into a real project,
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but being told by
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professional software engineers that I
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was thinking about things in a way that
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other candidates weren't. It
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felt really good. And
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the reason I'm telling you this story is I heard a quote the other
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day that reminded me of this experience.
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And I apologize because I did not write
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down who I heard the quote from. I
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don't know the original source. I did try to look it up,
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but nothing really popped up. But
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the quote was, we get better at what we
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repeatedly do. We
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get better at what we repeatedly
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do. I
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really, really like this idea,
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this way of thinking about learning
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and skill acquisition and changing
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our lives and improving
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ourselves. We get better at what
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we repeatedly do. And I like
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this for a number of reasons, but the big
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one is that it's in our control. There's
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no magic. There's no secret strategy.
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There's no formula for how we
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improve. There is simply
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action and consistency.
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We do the thing repeatedly
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and we never stop. And inevitably,
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whether we want to or not, we
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are going to get better at it. That's
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a really comforting way of thinking
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about how the world works. I
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remember reading a book a few years back
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that first kind of introduced me to this
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idea. It wasn't in that format, but after
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I heard that quote, I started thinking about the book.
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The book is called The Talent Code. It's by an author named Daniel
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Coyle. In the book,
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he talks about this thing called myelin.
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Myelin is, and forgive me because
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I'm not a neuroscientist here, but
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myelin is... basically
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like a type of coding around our
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neurons. So what
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it does is it wraps our neurons
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and every time we engage in a behavior
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that causes those neurons to fire,
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it reinforces
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itself. So it adds like another layer around
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the neuron and the more reinforced
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that neuron gets, the faster
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it's able to fire. And so the idea
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here, and again I'm not a neuroscientist,
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I can't actually speak to the accuracy of this, I'm
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just sort of pulling what I
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learned from this book. But the idea
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here is as we engage
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with certain behaviors, those
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neurons are able to fire faster
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and faster and the behavior
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becomes both more automatic and more
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comfortable. And that's
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this same idea that we
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get better at what we repeatedly do.
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When we engage in a behavior or with
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a piece of information, at first we're
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really clumsy. You know,
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I picture myself in the
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the basement of my old apartment in
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front of my computer, the lights are off, the screen
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is lighting my face up, and I'm
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just frustrated. Like the
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biggest mean mug on my face is I stare
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at these lines of code that are
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basically mocking me, telling me that
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I'm not good enough. I
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remember that so vividly. And
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that's how it felt. I was clumsy.
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I was dealing with something new, something I didn't
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understand, something that my brain had no
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real way of processing
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yet. And I was clumsy. I
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didn't know what to do with it. I didn't know how to think about
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it. I didn't know how to work with it or get it to
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do what I wanted. But
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as we engage in that behavior, as we
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engage with that piece of information, little
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bits of it become more and more comfortable.
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The neurons responsible for it, they fire
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and they get reinforced. And
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over time, and for certain
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behaviors, It's going to be longer than others depending
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on your situation and your context and yada, yada,
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yada. It's going to be longer or it might be shorter.
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Who knows? If you have a specific talent for
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something, it might be longer or shorter. But
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over some period of time, you
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get comfortable with the behavior
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or the piece of information as a whole. It
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starts to feel second nature. It starts to
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feel like something you have
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mastery over. And yes, having
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professional guidance and support, that
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is an accelerant that can help us to
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learn faster, that can help us to move
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faster and avoid pitfalls and
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figure things out earlier than others.
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But the thing is, if that's not available
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to you, then the most guaranteed
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way to ensure that you are
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going to learn something is
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to simply start doing it and
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keep doing it. How powerful
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is that? To know without a
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shadow of a doubt that
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you have the ability to learn anything
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you want in this world, anything. Whether
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that be how to manage your personal
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finances better, whether that be how
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to eat healthier, whether
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that be how to start a
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business or how to run Facebook
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ads or how to speak a new language
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or how to socialize
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more comfortably and easily, how to
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meet and find a partner,
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whatever it is, if you are engaging
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with it for the first time, it's supposed
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to feel clumsy. When I was sitting in the
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basement of my old apartment, working
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on learning how to code, the
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idea of building my app, I
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couldn't see, I could not see
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the connection between them. I could
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not see where I was then somehow
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leading to being able to build this thing
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I wanted. But the more I did it,
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the more it made sense and the more I
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could see how those two things were connected.
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And that's going to be the case no matter what it is you're
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trying to learn.
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better at what we repeatedly do.
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I really really love that
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framework of looking at things and
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I'm gonna apply that in my own life
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going forward because I'm learning a lot
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of new things right now. I'm currently in
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vocal lessons learning how to sing
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and how to use my voice better. I'm learning
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how to draw. I'm learning how to speak Japanese.
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I'm learning a number of
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things that I may never do anything
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with and yeah they feel hard
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and in clumsy and complex
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and I'm struggling to see what
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the point even is but if I
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just remember that we get better at what we repeatedly
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do and I continue to choose to
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show up who knows where I'll be two years
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from now. So take it or leave it that
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is what I'm learning and trying to apply
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this week. Thank you so much for being here.
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I do want to tell you very quickly
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about the app that I built. It's nothing
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special at the moment. It is a community
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space that allows you to listen to the podcast
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inside the app. So think of it like a Facebook
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group in the form of an app with podcast
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episodes. If you're interested it's available now
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on iPhone. Just go to the App Store
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and type in tiny leaps or click the
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link in the description of this episode.
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I'd love to have you as a part of
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the community. I'm gonna be in there engaging
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every day and commenting and I'm
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sure there's gonna be bugs and issues but
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I'd love to have you help me test this out and
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figure out what we do with it because it
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is our community. Thank
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you so much. My name is Greg Clunis and remember
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that all big changes come from the
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tiny leaps you think.
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