This is a truly excellent discussion by a real expert. One of the best features is his ability to be both learned and accessible to the non-academic audience. I'm an academic myself but his clear and simple presentation gave me a new appreciation of Ulric and his idea of love (I almost said "chivalry"). Richard, I don't have any other way of contacting you -- can't find the note you sent me -- but drop me a line and I'll tell you my thoughts on *mesure*.