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On

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today's episode of Titus, and tape, panic button

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season is a push for me here. It's we we've been

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talking about it a little bit, Tate. We've been -- Cool.

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-- trying to kick the tires on who needs

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to hit the panic button, who doesn't.

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IIIII don't know. III

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don't know if I can do a show today a flu. Right.

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I'm not even sure it's like panic button season

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as it's I just wrote my notes, Freefall,

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all caps. Not Skyfall, Freefall.

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It there's a lot of top program It's not just the

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Buckeyes. We're not gonna talk about just the Buckeyes. We're gonna

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talk about the huskies.

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Yeah. That is

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where I I've hit the panic button. I've hit

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it twice. No one responds

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not working. That

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was what they were doing. What they were doing.

0:48

Turns turns out that we were in free

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fall. You got loses seating hall. What is

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that? Five out of six now? Five out of six. It's lost. One

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in five in biggie's play for a team

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that was that that we were

0:59

sticking our chest out saying we're the best team in college

1:01

basketball. Right. Whoof.

1:04

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

1:08

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

1:10

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Are we are we It's COVID back. It's

1:12

COVID back. It is. It seems like

1:14

it. It's at Northwestern, it's at Iowa, it's

1:16

at Yukon. What the hell's going on here?

1:19

Arkansas also in free fall. Must

1:21

buzz. The must buzz. The wheels take the tires.

1:24

They're flat. Xavier lost

1:26

it to Paul. Would you look at that one? No. Right after we

1:28

got done talking about Xavier going on the Frauds. What'll

1:31

happen if you play a good team on the

1:33

road? Sure enough. They played a

1:34

Did we jinx it? Because that's an hour saw

1:36

miller image makeover lock.

1:38

And maybe not. Court

1:40

storming season is officially here too. By the way,

1:42

Kansas State, big win over Kansas storming

1:45

the court. That was the first I

1:47

don't know if I don't know if that was the first one of the season, but

1:49

that was the first one that that,

1:51

you know, it was, like, felt like a moment. Yeah. Whereas

1:53

the the rivalry game and Kjante

1:56

Johnson on the win it on on that play, on

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a on a male dude. Dunkin' on a dude.

2:00

Right. Jaylon Wilson balling out. Mhmm.

2:03

That was fun game. Iowa state gets

2:05

another huge ESPN plus win over

2:07

Texas. Nobody saw it. Nobody

2:10

watched. I did see that Caleb Grill

2:12

is alive. Yeah. I thought that he only played

2:14

one game for Iowa State this season, but he was

2:16

telling the Texas bench to take a time out after

2:18

hitting a

2:18

three, so he's alive.

2:19

You guys Carolina lost Iowa State. Right?

2:21

Caleb Grill. We

2:22

lost

2:22

the key. That's a great quality loss. Like, the more Iowa

2:24

State keeps winning. That's a quality loss. Of course. Was

2:26

that came on the ESPN part? All of Carolina's losses

2:28

are q one. So for all the queue

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guys out there, do you hate to see it?

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No. The article I read

2:33

about, the Iowa State game was awesome. It seemed

2:36

like the game was a ton of fun. I read the playbook.

2:38

I read the I read the Fox door and it looked it

2:40

looked awesome. Tate, I have a question for you.

2:42

Are you any closer to figuring out? You said last

2:44

show you you're trying to zag.

2:46

Everyone else is zacking won the

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the national player that you're racing going to ZAGG?

2:50

I don't know. Well well, I'm not picking

2:52

true to me. No. But I I do think that Brandon

2:55

Miller is helping my kid. Have you

2:56

figured it out? He's building a kid. You said you

2:58

said you wanted to go somewhere else, and I was

3:00

curious if you figured it

3:01

out. It seems like Brandon Miller be your guy. I don't know. Maybe

3:03

we'll talk about that. He's always

3:04

been my guy. He's always been front of me, but it does feel

3:06

like a little bit where he's the de facto number

3:08

two. So you don't wanna just settle that number two. I

3:10

wanna talk about all American teams because the

3:12

national player of the year race is is done.

3:14

But you know, there's there are other

3:16

trophies to hand out. There are other honors to bestow

3:18

on people. So maybe we talk about that little bit. Also,

3:21

fun treat. I'm so excited for this. John Fanta

3:23

joining the show for the first time ever. Amazing.

3:25

I I don't know why it's taking so

3:27

long. He's he works at Fox now. He's

3:29

a Fox guy. He's a I could have

3:31

sworn we had him on the show just because we

3:33

talk about John Phantom. We

3:34

talk such a love all the time. Yeah.

3:37

I I it's right, dude. Like, it is it

3:39

is it's one of those deals where you just assume that

3:41

it happened. It had not happened. So we said,

3:43

let's make this happen. And we talked to

3:45

John Fanta for a little over half an

3:46

hour. I think it was a fun interview. He's the best

3:48

could have been for failure. We just kept talking to

3:50

him. So we have that coming up. Also, we're gonna be talking

3:52

a little fraud state. As you said, it's free for Friday,

3:54

which means we gotta talk about the frauds --

3:56

Right. -- and the sport. They're all around about They're they're

3:58

everywhere. The the the fraud power

4:00

ranking committee -- Mhmm. -- is the

4:03

the the suggestion box is officially

4:05

over if if we had a voice mail line, it's

4:07

full. It would just say, like, this voice mail

4:10

box is full. Please call back, goodbye,

4:12

and ring up. Like, you can't even take any more

4:14

suggestions. There's so many out there. I this is all

4:16

people do to me. Say, teams are losing

4:18

345 in a row, and they're like, please

4:20

put them on the Frauds rankings. And I said,

4:22

there's only five spots. Mhmm. So we're gonna we're

4:24

gonna see who's on it this

4:25

week. All that coming up. But first, what do you do

4:27

him? He takes the time out here.

4:29

Wow. I know. Technico bow.

4:31

Technico bow.

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Alright. Where do we Fanta start with this,

4:44

Dave? A lot of lot of success. The last night we saw

4:46

Yukon lose, but

4:47

again, this is kind of a a common thing. Like, how

4:50

many times as you kind of going to

4:52

lose and we're gonna say, oh

4:53

my god. Oh

4:53

my god. What is happening? Yes. Is it is it

4:55

not shocking anymore? Yeah. Pedro losing

4:58

is is pretty Sunderstandboom had a

5:00

terrible game. Terrible, terrible game. And I

5:02

guess, like, in that regard,

5:04

it's it's not surprising because you're knowing

5:06

you're best player in the guy that's been balling out for you

5:08

all

5:08

season. Doesn't play well,

5:10

but it still didn't get to get to beat the ball.

5:12

You

5:12

gotta beat the ball. That's gonna win the big east.

5:15

You gotta beat the ball. Always. That's what

5:17

people always say. I don't

5:19

know this to be true, but I'm gonna say confidently

5:21

anyway. No one has ever

5:23

won the big east without but no

5:25

one's ever lost to DePaul and also won the big

5:27

east. Right. That's never happened.

5:28

That is the big ten star of the week you had there

5:30

folks. Put it together, print it out,

5:32

stamp it, It's

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for me, you you mentioned all these losses. I

5:36

mean, there's another one Arkansas. I mean,

5:38

they're in free fall.

5:39

Yeah. I mean,

5:39

they kinda had been in free fall, but we have to point

5:41

that out. Virginia Tech is a

5:43

sneaky team that is also in free fall

5:45

that they were supposed to be

5:46

good. How many of they lost in a row now? I

5:48

mean, they've lost every ACC game except

5:50

for North Carolina. They have won every they have

5:52

lost every other game in the ACC. They

5:54

lost Virginia at Virginia Steph

5:56

Curry was at the game. It was a

5:58

very full circle moment for

6:00

all the Virginia Tech fans. Right? That you're

6:02

mad at Seth Greenberg for not recruiting Seth

6:04

Curry or Steph Curry. And then He's at Virginia

6:07

with Tide

6:07

Jerome. Was

6:07

he chair for Virginia?

6:08

Yes. Pulling

6:09

for he was. Yes. Oh,

6:10

that's beautiful. Two Virginia tech fans. I was like

6:12

one of the greatest trolls I've ever

6:13

seen. That's that's hilarious. Love to see that.

6:16

They've only lost six in a row, dude. That's not even

6:18

that bad.

6:18

I think they can melt back. I'm just saying we're talking

6:20

freefall. We're

6:20

talking freefall. Like a five losing streak. Not that

6:23

big. Not that bad. I think

6:25

when it gets to eight or seven,

6:27

seven is probably my number. When you get to that

6:29

seven losing streak, that's what I'm worried about

6:31

you. But, yeah, there's a lot of losers.

6:33

There's a lot of free fall. There's a lot of,

6:35

you know, screaming to the

6:36

sky, shaking a fist --

6:38

Yeah. -- college

6:38

basketball right now. I mean, Yukon is kinda

6:41

boring it's right there in front of us. Dan

6:43

Hurley, fix it. I can't

6:45

believe I

6:47

mean, are we still doing COVID takes? Like,

6:49

can do do I Right. They were safe. Do

6:51

I I mean, they were safe. But,

6:53

like, when I saw that that Dan Hurley is not coaching

6:55

because it I mean, I guess, like, if you're sick, you

6:57

can't coach. Right? But, like, but

6:59

I I don't know. III hate this

7:01

world. I just hate this world. I hate I hate that,

7:03

like Well, and then you have

7:05

Yukon fans that are saying if

7:06

he is coaching, we win a one

7:08

possession game. But

7:10

but but

7:11

Maybe they're right.

7:11

But this calculus, this math, that you're throwing

7:14

together.

7:14

I don't have, like, the what ifs and the you

7:16

lost. And and I don't know what to

7:18

do with it. I'm worried. I'm concerned. Like I

7:20

said, I've hit the panic button. No one

7:22

has reacted. No one has responded. Congrats

7:24

to Sheen Holloway. Great win.

7:27

Yeah. III just when

7:29

I saw these COVID headlines that that Northwestern

7:31

Iowa was canceled and Dan Hurley

7:33

I mean, III I'm

7:36

at a loss, dude. Like, I I've I've I've

7:38

I've been at a loss for years on this on this

7:40

shit. I can't continue to to

7:42

talk about this and John hour guest

7:44

scooped it, by the way, the the Northwestern Iowa

7:46

game. Oh, did it? He scooped it with he

7:49

didn't even put you know, a lot of times these scoops,

7:51

they they like to preface the scoop with all

7:53

caps, scoop, colon, and then they give you

7:55

the scoop. Our Fanta, true

7:57

journalist, he scoops it all

7:59

caps news, Cole. This is

8:01

no

8:01

scoop. This is news. And the news

8:03

is they are not

8:03

This is a good way to break a story. Think

8:06

I think breaking like, the problem

8:08

the problem with breaking, it seems like you're excited

8:10

about it. Yeah. If you wanna report this

8:12

terrible

8:12

news. Yeah. As a weird connotation.

8:15

Even if you don't meet it that way, that's what happened. And I

8:17

think people have used it sarcastically too

8:19

much where they're like breaking I'm

8:21

I I eat two burritos instead

8:23

of one or something. You know, crazy. I haven't

8:25

taken a shower in a week. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Things

8:27

like that. You're like that's a gym tweet isn't it? Right. I

8:29

think that's both of those are. Yeah.

8:32

The book We saw that one. No.

8:35

Breaking breaking his his when

8:37

I see breaking, I don't news is classy.

8:39

When you do all caps news It

8:41

is classy and

8:42

classic. And when I saw that, I didn't

8:45

even get upset about

8:45

the news. I did have AII was

8:48

confused though because I didn't know this was happening still,

8:50

but it's happening. No. Like, it breaks my brain

8:52

because, like, III

8:53

my instinct is, like, this is

8:55

bullshit. Like, why how Dan Hurley, who cares

8:57

coach coach the game? Mhmm. But then you you're,

8:59

like, rational about it. And you're, like, I don't I don't know

9:01

if you're probably shouldn't be coughing all over everybody

9:03

and you should probably stay home. Yeah, that's one

9:05

thing that I guess is a positive coming

9:07

out of a pandemic is we shouldn't

9:09

just get everybody

9:10

sick. But then the

9:13

other part of me is like, win the game.

9:15

When

9:16

the game. And also just

9:19

win. I think back to I don't

9:21

know. Like, every every time I I talk

9:23

about college basketball, I think back to my

9:25

experience and you're like, I can't imagine a world

9:27

in which your coach is, like, I tested you know,

9:30

I I had, like, a little bit of a cough. I'm

9:32

fine. I'm fine if

9:32

he doesn't wanna be there for everyone's sake. Yeah. I'm fine

9:34

with it, but we have to update. He should have

9:37

been on an iPad. It should have been his

9:39

face. He should have been, like,

9:41

on a little, like, you know, a segue

9:43

recruiter. Right. And then he Dan Hurley

9:45

is calling the ref clowns

9:47

over Zoom. It's like cutting in and out, so he's

9:49

not getting teed up or anything. I'm really saying

9:51

whatever he wants in the comfort of his own home.

9:52

Do something. Do

9:55

something. I just elevate.

9:56

I just don't I I don't Fanta

9:59

I I don't like You know about like like,

10:01

COVID has gotten to the point where you see it. I I

10:03

don't even have III can't even form

10:05

my thoughts on it. I just I see it and I

10:07

just, like, brain melted. It's brain

10:10

brain melt.

10:10

That's where I've got. Right. I

10:12

think I'm gonna do a content list of things

10:14

that broke my brain. It's just the issue of

10:16

our college basketball. I'm like the head

10:18

coach of team in Freefall, though, I thought it was the best

10:20

team in the country. He's not coaching tonight because of

10:22

COVID. And it's twenty twenty

10:24

three. And, well, let's be honest, what is the in

10:26

Hong

10:26

Kong ranked next Monday, and

10:28

they they can't be. They can't be. Right. They

10:30

can't be. And if you

10:32

told us that three weeks ago, like,

10:34

I I saw our our our guy, big cat,

10:36

tweeted, like, on January

10:38

ninth. My futures for the year was like

10:40

Tennessee and Yukon. And at the time that he tweeted

10:42

that, I said to myself,

10:44

those are great pics. I was like, those those are

10:46

good picks. I I think that those are two teams that I

10:48

could see in Houston. And now I sit

10:50

here, Tennessee has me worried. In

10:52

Yukon, like I said, Freefall,

10:54

there's only one

10:55

word. Freefall. Freefall.

10:57

Yeah. Freefall. I I

11:00

I'm I'm so I'm so in my

11:02

feelings about the Buckeyes right

11:03

now. Yeah.

11:03

I can't I wanna give you I wanna give

11:06

you your space. I can't comprehend, like

11:08

I I don't I I maybe that's why my brain's

11:10

broken. I was like, I'm I'm I don't

11:12

know. I didn't really watch the Yukon game last night, to

11:14

be honest with you, because I was I was watching

11:17

Ohio state open the game like one for twenty

11:19

seven against Nebraska. Right. And

11:21

the biggest must win game in the season. I

11:24

think I if I

11:26

remember correctly, we beat the hell out

11:28

of Northwestern. I came on the show and

11:30

I said, I'm not there

11:31

yet, but I'm trending towards

11:34

being happy about this statement. Right.

11:36

I I would like the listeners to You

11:37

were building the case. Yeah. I

11:38

was like, I think there's a world in which

11:41

by the time March rolls around, I will believe in

11:43

this team. So

11:45

but you were saying it to you were saying

11:47

haters. Get your get your ready.

11:49

Yeah. Get ready. We have not won a game since

11:51

then. Since I tweeted that someone on

11:53

Purdue is gonna hit a buzzer beater to beat us. We

11:56

have not only lost that game to Purdue, we've

11:58

lost four more. But

12:00

I'm not panicking because,

12:03

one, I don't like, every

12:05

shut out Adam Jardi, friend of the program Columbus

12:07

dispatch.

12:07

Work in it. Work in the beat.

12:09

He he pointed the stat out to me the

12:11

first time in program history. Here's your

12:13

biggestinstead of the day too.

12:14

Oh, no. First time in the history of a

12:16

housekeeping program dating back to sixteen forty

12:18

one for the first season of basketball in

12:20

Columbus. The first --

12:22

Sixteen forty one. James

12:26

Dash. James Dash seven would settle. James

12:28

Dash seven thirty fighting the horses to

12:30

the game. And the

12:32

Buckeyes are playing The lost the lost colony.

12:34

They're like, who's up in Ohio?

12:37

Bare feet. Where she

12:39

is even in the middle? The

12:43

first time in program history that Ohio

12:45

State was on five straight by single digits.

12:47

So we're losing these games.

12:49

I don't know if that makes it better or worse, but we're

12:51

we're in every game. And at the end of every

12:53

game, you're like, there's if we can just if we

12:55

can just, you keep saying that yourself. If we

12:57

could just if just, it's

12:59

not happening. But the good news is for

13:01

my house state fans out there, I

13:04

am going to Columbus on Saturday. And

13:06

am personally delivered. This is a guarantee. I'm

13:08

looking into the camera right now.

13:11

This is happening. I'm I I am

13:13

bringing a win to Columbus, Ohio. We're

13:15

beating Iowa. You can print it. You can aggregate

13:17

it. You can send it to Frauds You can

13:19

make Fran. Make this your bulletin board

13:21

material. I don't care. You can tell whole

13:23

team, like, that the Titus was saying

13:25

this and that about us. It's not even about you.

13:27

That's the thing, Iowa. It's not it's not

13:29

about you. It's about it's about us. It's

13:31

about the Buckeyes. I am

13:33

personally going to Columbus and guaranteeing

13:35

that we will beat Iowa. We will turn the season

13:37

around. I will bring my championship DNA.

13:39

I'm taking making vials of my

13:41

championship DNA. I'm injecting it into

13:43

our players. And the way we go,

13:45

and we're back. And you're win, the house they

13:46

win, or the Yeah. The the win for Carolina for

13:49

House State will will once again be a

13:51

good win. It has to be. I promise I

13:53

have never I have never pulled

13:55

for a House State harder. Than

13:57

I have since our time and Madison

13:59

Square Garden together. I look

14:01

at the schedule ahead. I like

14:03

Iowa. At Illinois is tough,

14:05

at Indiana is

14:06

tough. It's tough. So you have to win on Saturday. We have

14:08

we're

14:08

winning we like If if you do not win

14:11

on Saturday, You had to come in

14:13

like Austin Powers when he lost his mojo.

14:15

You know, you had to go in the locker room, have the

14:17

mojo and say,

14:17

guys, this is for you. This is my championship DNA.

14:20

I'm injecting my championship DNA.

14:22

I'm also a lot of

14:24

coaches don't like this.

14:26

It it it feels way too early. It might feel like

14:28

a desperation move. Maybe it is. Maybe it's I

14:30

don't know. It's just the reality we're living in today. I'm I'm

14:32

pulling out the forty minutes for the rest of your life

14:34

speech. Right. Right. In January. Now a lot of

14:36

people would say, you save that for April. Maybe

14:39

March, obviously, you know, like, maybe in the Suite

14:41

sixteen or the 8II would say that,

14:43

like, the Blue Blood program say that's a

14:45

national championship only speech that

14:47

you give. But

14:49

here we are. You know? But this might

14:51

be for

14:51

the best of the day. Yeah. Brief

14:54

glass case of emergency. I'm walking to

14:56

that locker room and I'm given the forty minutes for the

14:58

rest of your live speech and we're gonna beat Iowa and

15:00

that's that's it.

15:00

Alright. Let's go to the spin zone real quick. In

15:02

the five games that you've lost Purdue,

15:05

that should have been a win, but Purdue had already

15:07

lost the big ten, the powers that be. They're not

15:09

gonna let Purdue lose two in a row, especially as the number

15:11

one team in the country. So but also

15:13

said, like, Yeah. Okay. Let's spend zone. Zed key was out. Zed key

15:15

was out. Zed key was out. Yeah. Ohio

15:17

State at Maryland. Schedule that

15:19

out. Minnesota at Ohio

15:21

State that was the The idea is that

15:23

was fox fall. So throw that one out. Oh,

15:25

how to say it Rutgers revenge game?

15:27

Throw that one

15:27

out. Also, a a yeah. The

15:30

big ten literally said that a house

15:32

didn't deserve the first win against

15:33

Reuters. So, like, our backs are against the wall. We took it to

15:35

overtime, technically a tie.

15:36

Right. Great. Thank you. He's not letting you win that game.

15:39

That's a fact. Yeah. That's fact. And then

15:41

Nebraska, you've struggled historically with

15:43

Nebraska. And by that, I mean, the last the

15:45

last two years. Nebraska, we just didn't make

15:47

shots. Right. So So

15:49

when I look at that

15:49

schedule, I see a lot of could

15:52

be wins. I see Purdue win wins. I

15:54

see Purdue injury. I see Maryland schedule

15:56

loss. Right. I see Minnesota's Fox's fault.

15:58

Right. I see Rutgers bad match

15:59

up, and I see Nebraska. We didn't make shots.

16:02

Right. So

16:02

I don't see a lot so

16:05

as as a as a guy that's looking at the

16:07

resume of North Carolina and quality wins, I think

16:09

Ohio State stays on the quality wins. Colon.

16:11

I've been told that the vibes

16:13

are still they are not as bad as you

16:15

might think. It was in the locker room within

16:18

the program. been told that Now, is that

16:20

good or bad? I don't know. That's what I'm

16:21

saying. I think I

16:23

want us to I think the vibe should be down. I

16:25

think I want Yeah. I

16:27

don't know, man. IIIII

16:30

just I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna do what I can. I'm

16:32

going I'm gonna win. I don't know if it's

16:34

gonna save everything, but we're beating Iowa on

16:36

Saturday, and I'll be there for I haven't been I haven't been

16:38

to a game at the shot, and I

16:40

at least five not since I've lived in LA. When was in

16:42

LA in twenty nineteen? So, like, it's been at least four

16:44

years, but I don't think I I think in the whole minute, I

16:46

haven't been to a game at the shot. It dawned on me that

16:48

I don't think I've flown back for a game,

16:51

but enough is enough. And I have to bring I'm

16:53

bringing my championship today.

16:55

Right. That's why we're my championship hat

16:57

today for the show. Right. Big ten champions. I'm

16:59

trying to remind him, this is what we do. We do we

17:01

do not we are what in the in the

17:03

conference right now. We are at the very bottom.

17:05

Yeah. Minus soda is below us. We are two and five

17:07

Minnesota's one and five, but they beat us.

17:09

So that's where we're

17:09

at, dude. It's it's it's Maybe it was a

17:11

sacrificial

17:12

loss for the the level of the big ten. You can't have a team

17:15

like Minnesota be ofer. You can't have the

17:17

gofers be ofer's. And

17:19

and be like George

17:21

down in the big

17:21

east. Yeah. Because when you have a team that hasn't won a conference game, that's bad for

17:24

the whole conference. If you're gonna talk about

17:24

yeah. You gotta talk about how deep the conference is.

17:27

Right.

17:27

You have to say film the sword.

17:30

Fruit Minnesota. Dude, I'm sorry. I don't I don't mean to

17:32

sit down here and talk about the Buc

17:34

guys. I I much, but the first recall.

17:36

First five game losing streak for us in

17:38

twenty five years.

17:40

First five game losing streak in twenty five years. It is it's

17:42

it's it's time it's not like I don't think it's time to

17:44

panic. It's time to

17:47

what I I heard someone say one time. Now is not the time to

17:49

to lose your wits. It's time to to get your wits. You

17:51

know? Like, it's not time to panic. It's time to, like,

17:54

lock in. Is what it is. I mean, the lock in

17:54

button. I need the lock

17:56

in button. I also need the upside button. Can

17:58

we be a little upset? You know? I think

18:00

that's

18:00

the issue between you and me. I think just

18:04

assuming as the leader of the team, but he's bringing

18:06

the Hawaii. He's not the leader of the team. He might

18:08

love justice. That that might be the best player.

18:10

We have high character guys. I

18:12

love the guys. I love we're so talented,

18:15

but, like, Zed Key

18:16

should be the leader of the team and also the

18:18

best player, but he's not either.

18:20

You know what I mean? Yeah. And he's hurt and he was hurt. He's banged up

18:22

a little bit, but I feel like if it starts with

18:24

zed and then it goes to justice and then

18:26

it goes to sense of all, The

18:28

order of operations makes sense. But now since the ball

18:30

is obviously since his start against North

18:33

Carolina is obviously the best player on

18:35

the team. Obviously, it should be the

18:37

primary option. But that doesn't

18:39

work in the order of operations of college

18:41

basketball. And if you're just assuming and you have

18:43

a similar game, you're trying

18:45

to go to a similar place to the NBA. And

18:47

this guy who's younger than you, who's doing it

18:49

better than

18:49

you, you're gonna feel some type of way. This is

18:51

Kyle. I don't

18:52

think I don't think he does. So maybe

18:54

I don't think you. I'm telling you the order of

18:56

operations when I look at Ohio State, it had

18:58

an order of operations when we

19:00

were in

19:01

Maui. And it

19:02

may think starts

19:02

starts with zed. Yeah. He goes to

19:05

justice, then it goes to Bryce, or whoever it may But when

19:07

we're in like, here's the issue. Our our

19:09

captain or leader of the team is Hawaii. And so when we're in

19:11

Maui, made everything was

19:12

comfortable. Right. We're at a point now

19:15

where we need, like, we need the captains

19:16

do we have We need an asshole like Evan Turner on

19:18

this team to to, like, during the

19:20

time out. Right. Like push the coach out of the

19:22

way. Ring it out guys by the jurors. Ring it out

19:25

this weekend. I'll text

19:27

him. That's a good idea. I I should. III I'll

19:29

see if Evan wants to go. And and

19:31

should this be an all hands on deck meeting? I think I text

19:33

all the former players. I tell Greg and John to,

19:35

like, not go to the other game -- Right. --

19:37

drive over to

19:37

Columbus. I think

19:38

so. Because every coach

19:40

mod a code too. Evan's a type where, like,

19:42

I think, coach Holman out of respect is,

19:44

you know, is Jersey's hanging the Raptors. He's like,

19:46

I'll turn it over

19:47

to, you know,

19:47

Evan Turner. And I think Evan is the type where

19:50

you think he's gonna say something motivational,

19:52

maybe fire you guys up. Yeah. And I think Evan

19:54

just goes in there and says, y'all think shit's

19:56

sweet, but y'all suck. And I

19:59

think and I think that's exactly

20:01

maybe what they need to

20:01

hear. Y'all

20:02

are some balls. Yeah. It's like y'all think shit's sweet. Yeah. That that's

20:04

my favorite thing to say when would

20:09

be throwing out of the bar. Turns

20:11

out shit is not sweet.

20:13

Oh my god, dude. I was Five games in

20:15

a row that we can't have

20:17

this. Saturday, it has to happen. It's

20:19

it is happening. I'm I'm promising it's happening. Lock

20:21

of

20:21

the Century, Saturday, Buckeye's win. It's

20:23

never been more of a lock. It it's been it's

20:26

III stake my whole reputation.

20:28

How can I is there anything else I could say

20:30

that could be thrown back in my face too? I think I've hit

20:33

them all. Think I fit every single thing that could possibly be

20:35

said that we can

20:37

move on. But it's it's

20:38

yeah. This is this is these are

20:41

unprecedented times.

20:42

His whole last thing. Is Holman I

20:45

mean, what what is the status with Holman?

20:48

I've seen fans tweeting some things like

20:50

get Holman out of

20:50

my face. So this is but then I look at their avatar and

20:52

they have Ohio State football jersey on. Do

20:54

you want to have

20:56

They have Ohio State football jersey, and

20:58

then are, like, III actually I

21:00

can't tell you how many House State I've

21:02

seen say, you know,

21:04

they obviously miss aircraft. Like,

21:06

I wish I had aircraft on this team. Me too. I do too. I

21:08

do too. I do great. I do too.

21:11

Aircraft

21:11

is a great player, but

21:13

then This

21:15

tape is an aircraft is

21:16

awesome. III

21:19

saw one guy talking about, like, air aircraft

21:23

I don't know, dude. I'd I'll whatever

21:26

this is nitpicky, but like like, the the

21:28

the real housekeeping basketball fans believe that Aaron Craft

21:30

is like a better point card than Mike

21:32

Connolly was. And that's that's the issue. That's where we start there

21:34

with, like -- Right. -- our viewpoint

21:36

on A little bit different. Yeah. And you're

21:38

like, alright. But

21:40

then again, I'm a guy who thinks Tom Coverdale's

21:42

the best player in college basketball industry. So

21:44

I guess Is that who am I talking? Is that

21:46

worth arguing? Yeah. But So whole

21:48

hot seat hot seat status. Do

21:50

you want the the

21:53

I'll I'll tell you what's going to

21:55

happen, or do you want, like, my thoughts

21:57

on your

21:58

thoughts on where where is Holben in

22:00

the zeitgeist of the

22:01

Ohio State faithful. Oh, yeah.

22:03

He's out. There he's out. Yeah.

22:05

That's ridiculous. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. That's

22:08

ridiculous. Yeah. Hold it. If you pull the

22:09

Ohio State fans,

22:10

it's like it should be fire Chris Holman. I'm

22:12

guessing it's like eighty five percent yes

22:15

right now. Alright. So -- Yeah. -- but then if we polled Kentucky

22:17

fans, should we hire you?

22:19

Eighty nine percent. Yes. Yeah.

22:23

No. I mean and I and I don't think I I

22:26

we we have we have good basketball. We there are

22:28

some good basketball

22:28

fans. I don't wanna generalize, but -- Right.

22:30

-- for the most Yeah. It's like

22:32

We're talking about the cesspools. The the

22:35

yeah. The the the bottom of the barrel house state

22:37

fans that don't even pay attention

22:39

until after football season's over. Look at the record and then say, hey, this

22:41

isn't good enough, and it's like, get this guy tomorrow. Yeah.

22:43

Get this guy tomorrow. Right. But, yeah,

22:45

whole we we we not had NBA

22:48

tournaments success now. The the whole the whole

22:50

arc is, like, there's always

22:52

some would say excuses, some would say

22:54

reason, some would say, you know, like, there's there's

22:56

a sliding scale there are

22:59

a lot of injuries. Kyle Young gets a concussion every time someone coughs

23:01

on him, you know. Right. The

23:03

the the world Robert's loss was

23:05

bad, but like whole year is weird. Like, the, you

23:07

know, the COVID years were weird. That's that's

23:09

that's the reality of the situation. That's how it was

23:11

for every team. So, you know, ultimately, we're

23:13

all on the same level.

23:15

But Yeah. The the the lack of insane

23:17

term is success. This this

23:19

January, once we hit the the the

23:21

big ten schedule, this seems to happen a lot

23:23

where the wheels you know, looks like they're about

23:25

to fall off. We are not great at closing games. I

23:28

think holds too nice of a guy. I I would say a

23:30

hold might be good guy that you're a candidate

23:32

honestly Whole needs to

23:34

motherfuck these guys. The lack of a bet. That's the

23:36

only term that comes to mind. He needs to -- Right. -- he needs

23:38

to do that. He I don't think he has that

23:40

in him. So, yeah, the fans are frustrated as they

23:42

should be. Ten and eight's not good enough for this team. We're way

23:44

too talented to to be on a five game losing

23:46

streak, but we're

23:48

not he's not gonna get fired. Unless, like, the only way he gets

23:50

fired this year is if the wheels like, you think there's

23:52

the wheels falling off? Like, the wheels falling

23:55

off is we finish the season twelve and

23:57

whatever. Don't make the turn. Don't make the you know,

23:59

we we we we have

24:01

another we we have a nine game

24:03

losing streak and then another night

24:03

share, something like that. You were saying

24:06

about,

24:06

like, who's to blame? Like, the reasons or

24:08

but whatever. I mean, I think a

24:11

culprit that is at play, which is

24:13

always a a culprit in our universe,

24:15

is the NBA. The NBA that is

24:17

at a huge part in Ohio

24:19

State and taking away pieces that

24:21

should tangible pieces. But as we know these scouts,

24:23

they're only looking at these top programs, and

24:25

then they find one guy. They you

24:26

know, the and then it all goes from there. No. It's true. It

24:29

started with Kate of Bates Dea. Basically,

24:31

the Chris Olmanator of Ohio State is

24:33

there are a lot of great reasons as to

24:35

why we can't get over the hump, but

24:37

then you hurt you hit a certain

24:39

saturation point with the reasons when where

24:41

you're like, these are just excuses at

24:43

this point. You know what I mean? Right. So, like, there's

24:45

always it actually makes sense. Like, as

24:47

you say, you're losing these guys a league that you didn't think

24:49

you're gonna lose and you're, you know, you're hanging

24:51

around these close games. But then at

24:53

the end of the day, college fandom

24:55

is about College Basketball Fanom is about, like, how you

24:57

feel, ultimately. Mhmm. And if you're a fan and you're watching

24:59

the game, you're like, I don't like this. I don't like

25:01

what we're doing. Then you don't you

25:03

don't need to hear you don't it doesn't help for someone to be like, yeah.

25:05

But what if Malachi Branham is still here? Yeah.

25:08

But, like -- Mhmm. -- but also look at these

25:10

losses. We're right there. We're right

25:10

there. You know? What's it here? There you're like, ten eight,

25:13

dude.

25:13

This sucks.

25:13

Five game losing streak. What the hell is going on? You know?

25:15

And this is

25:16

what year five for coaching. You're

25:18

sick. No. No. But he's not he's we

25:21

got a great recruiting class. And this was the plant,

25:23

like,

25:23

we need Bronnie. I said it'd be Bronnie

25:25

tonight. I mean, that it would be Bronnie

25:27

to commit ASAP. I said at the start of the if we make the

25:29

tournament, that's that was my expectation going on the

25:31

season. Just make the tournament won't be fine. We just don't make

25:33

the

25:33

tournament. A lot of basketball have to

25:36

be played. I we're against Iowa on Saturday in a

25:38

way we go. So there it is. Seven years

25:40

is is is always the time.

25:42

That's when father time and coaching comes

25:44

knocking. You're

25:45

right. So next year

25:47

yeah. He he's gonna be back next year. He's gonna

25:49

Of

25:49

course. He's gonna be back. But that's what I'm here to tell how to

25:51

stay fixed. But you we're not you're not you're not star.

25:53

Or should we? You restart year three

25:56

if you get Ronnie. You know? Yeah.

25:58

Yeah. Like, could

26:00

the Ohio State Football fans learn

26:02

Chris Holman's name year three? They were still saying, come on, Thad, Manna --

26:04

Yeah. -- then then they locked in. So

26:06

he's really on year three, year four right now. I

26:08

think it happens. It's III share

26:11

the fresh duration. We have to do better.

26:13

We have to be better. We have to

26:15

get tougher. We like, all these things, I'm

26:17

in agreement, but

26:18

Yeah. We're we're not firing on hold, and then we shouldn't.

26:21

Please don't. Yeah. That's it. So I I just and

26:23

I just don't I don't wanna be a program that does that. I don't

26:25

wanna be a program that's, like, just constantly firing

26:27

coaches and trying to find Save that

26:29

for Indiana. That's what Indiana's I mean, they should fire every

26:31

coach and try to hire Brad Stevens. That's the Indiana

26:33

move. Well, it's just back to what we said, firing

26:35

that in the first place. That was dumb. Yeah.

26:37

It was dumb. Right. That was dumb. That's what I said at the time.

26:39

I was like, what are you like, I get that we had a bad

26:41

year,

26:41

but, like, what are we doing? Like, this is not what

26:43

this program should be. So I don't I don't wanna be That's

26:45

not was

26:46

her at Kate Abate's d app. So We all

26:48

we all know how this goes. We're we're

26:50

we're I don't I don't wanna I I really

26:52

don't. I I didn't know people rolling their eyes, but

26:54

I really don't wanna don't want I I my

26:56

intention is never when we do a

26:58

show. I I don't I my favorite shows are when

27:00

we don't talk about real estate. Good Better, otherwise.

27:03

But -- Same. -- every time I because every time I say something,

27:05

the opposite happens. I just just I was thinking about

27:07

just

27:07

saying things that I don't want to

27:10

happen so that the

27:12

opposite will happen. Yeah. What do they call that? We're first

27:14

doing that. I

27:16

hate talking about it because it's it's but, you

27:18

know, five fucking losing streak. So it has

27:20

to be done. I will do

27:21

it. I'm I'm stepping up. We're gonna win on Iowa, and

27:23

then we're gonna win on Saturday against Iowa.

27:25

And do you think that

27:26

you get your credit when it happens? No. And I don't

27:28

need the credit because I that's the thing about being a walk

27:30

on is, like, you you do your part. Mhmm. You do

27:33

you you're dominated by

27:35

anonymous.

27:35

Yes. Don't even by anonymous. This win has been. This

27:38

championship. Don't even by anonymous.

27:43

Hang that plaque. When we

27:45

when we make the three sixteen

27:47

this year, and we

27:49

hang a banner first three sixteen. I wanted

27:51

to say the championship TA was donated

27:53

by anonymous. Right. Yeah.

27:55

No. I don't I don't need the credit. I

27:58

just some has to be done. And I do like the the idea of an

28:00

all hands on deck meeting. I should get I should put

28:02

together group text

28:02

to, like, all the former players -- Right. -- where I

28:04

just put out, like, the bad

28:06

signal meme. I I do think Evan actually

28:09

would be I think Evan Turner in this

28:11

moment. This might be what he's

28:13

called for. You know? Yeah. Because Evan, I think the

28:15

players who take they will take offense

28:17

to Evan calling them out and being

28:18

like, this is not good enough. Evan

28:20

Evan would be the guy because Evan's also, like, around the program

28:22

enough and Evan's the guy.

28:24

Evan Evan's the guy that we need to show up in in

28:26

the locker room and say y'all are some

28:28

bombs. I watched Evan Turner on

28:30

a Zoom video, say to Andre Igladala's

28:32

face, you guys ruined basketball,

28:35

and that your championships were

28:37

flukes. And I've never in my I I was like, this man,

28:39

he will stand in the rain, and he will

28:41

yell, and he does not

28:43

care. Love people

28:45

that aren't afraid to live in the controversy

28:47

as Evan Turner, obviously. Who's that guy

28:49

for Carolina? Carolina's on a five game blue generation.

28:51

You need someone to go in the locker room and say

28:53

y'all are some

28:54

bombs. Rashid Wallace.

28:56

Yeah. Yeah. Just

28:58

like as far as respect across the -- That's good,

29:00

Rashid. -- like even Uber Davis is like damn I'm

29:02

Yeah. It's everybody. Yeah. You were you

29:04

were standing behind the Sullivan's,

29:05

like, damn. Rashid's going off on

29:07

the team. You were standing behind with his arms crossed

29:09

nine along Fanta then She turns around

29:11

points out. like, you too. You saw. You

29:14

saw.

29:15

They're all line

29:17

enough running too aside after the game.

29:20

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Alright. Joining us now is a man

32:34

who's making his debut on this show. Ted, can you

32:36

believe that? It's not right. It

32:38

doesn't make any sense right when you think about

32:40

it. But we are excited to have

32:42

him nonetheless. He is I I feel

32:44

confident in saying this John, and I hope you're not embarrassed

32:46

that I call I I say this about

32:48

you. You might be the most guy in college basketball. In

32:50

all of college basketball. Darren Darren, I say lovable.

32:52

Lovable. The most lovable guy in all

32:54

of college basketball. His name is John Phantom. He

32:56

joins us now. On what's

32:58

going on,

32:58

man? It is great to be

33:01

with you fellows. It's wonderful that Beyond

33:03

Titus and Tate and

33:06

Bill Raffery is always going to get that

33:08

title from my end of things as

33:10

most likable man in college

33:12

basketball, but it is truly

33:15

truly humbling. I have to say to you as

33:17

well that

33:19

from the very first time that actually

33:21

sitting down with him over the summer,

33:23

it became very apparent to even though they're not having a

33:25

a great

33:26

ear, Fatima doesn't have a bad bone in his

33:29

butt. Oh, let's go just See, this is why this is why

33:31

John is so good at what he knows

33:33

how he's playing to his parents. What

33:35

he's doing here? He comes on the show.

33:37

Says nice things about that, Mara, as bottlers

33:39

eleven The whole team's entered though,

33:41

John. The whole team has, like, basically, been entered.

33:43

Everyone knows everyone knows this. Right. This is these

33:45

are facts. Hey. Go

33:47

ahead. My high school football coach

33:49

told me after my sophomore year,

33:51

know what you're good at. You're

33:53

a whole lot good at talking and going across

33:55

the way to the team some food than you

33:57

are blocking as a fourth string left

33:59

guard. Know know what's your lane is and

34:02

just stay the path. Well, I'm

34:04

I'm glad you talk about it. Your

34:06

your past here. Like, you're you're knowing what you're good

34:08

at and all that sort of thing, John. Because

34:11

from my perspective, You are a

34:14

freaking rocket ship to the moon, man. Like,

34:16

you you came out of nowhere from for

34:18

for me, like, consuming

34:20

college basketball. Where I didn't know the name John Phantom. And then

34:22

suddenly, like, it felt like a two week

34:24

span. Not only did I know the name John

34:26

Phantom, like John Phantom is

34:28

the guy And, like, if

34:30

you need to know anything about Big East basketball,

34:32

you go to John Phantom. Mhmm. Your is

34:34

on every Big East game I'm

34:36

watching. So I'm

34:38

curious, like, for for the people listening

34:40

that might not know a ton about you. Where did you come from?

34:42

Where did this rocketship take off from?

34:44

And how did we get here?

34:48

So I grew up on the west side of

34:50

Cleveland. So you're probably thinking,

34:52

well, wait a minute. Cleveland College

34:54

Basketball, how do those two

34:58

go together? I'm a long suffering, I

35:00

guess, browns fan. Indians

35:02

now guardians, cavaliers, big cleveland

35:04

sports fan. And when you grow up in Cleveland, you eat

35:06

treats, sleep, died

35:08

sports -- Mhmm. -- and the voices that

35:10

tell the stories. Here's

35:12

how I fell in love with college basketball.

35:16

Wolfstein Center mid-2000s.

35:20

It is Wake Forest in West

35:22

Virginia, Union

35:24

CAE tournament Eric Goldstein Center. My

35:26

grandpa, whose name is also

35:28

John, calls up and says I've got

35:30

tickets. It's gonna be a

35:32

late night going

35:34

to be a double overtime game that never

35:36

ended, and that I looked around the stands

35:38

at the Wall Street Center. There were people asleep

35:41

by the time the game ended. And it was

35:43

Chris Paul, and it was

35:46

Pittsnovel. Mhmm. And Mike Gamsi,

35:48

and and West Virginia just

35:50

willed itself to win.

35:52

And I'll never forget falling in

35:54

love that night with college basketball because

35:56

walking around the building,

35:58

everybody's talking about how great

36:01

that Wake is and that

36:03

Wake's supposed to win. And

36:05

West Virginia just found a way to win that

36:07

game in dramatic fashion to move

36:09

on and they had the

36:12

local kid in in my gansy, they

36:14

had so much buzz around them. It

36:16

was it was really amazing. It

36:18

was really, really amazing. That's how I fell in love with

36:20

college basketball. And, you

36:22

know, you think about it.

36:24

Like, we all remember being

36:26

eleven, twelve, thirteen years old. If if we grew

36:28

up, watch in college

36:30

tubes and you come home from school and you're

36:32

watching the big east tournament in Madison Square

36:34

Garden. And I always remember

36:36

thinking like, man, that is just the

36:38

coolest thing. It's inside the best building in the world. It's got all

36:40

these traditional brands.

36:42

My freshman year at college was

36:45

to the first year of the reconfigured Big

36:47

East, though, and the first year of the Big East

36:49

on Fox Sports. And I went to the seat

36:51

in the hall, little, you know, at the time.

36:53

I mean, not not exactly at a a very

36:55

relevant program. And they took off in my four

36:58

years there. They won their first big east

37:00

tournament in twenty three years

37:02

there. So when

37:04

I was a student. And I just I fell

37:06

in love with being in New Jersey

37:08

and having a choice

37:10

of college basketball games at

37:13

the drop of a hat --

37:14

Mhmm. -- not far away from me, and that's how

37:16

it all came to fruition. Mhmm. I love that

37:18

story and it got me fired up because, you

37:20

know, there's something about college basketball about that

37:22

genuineness, you know, that you can see, that passion that kinda comes through.

37:25

And you mentioned Seaton Hall. Obviously, coach Raff,

37:27

coach at Seaton Hall back

37:29

in the day. Must be some in the water. Right. Exactly everyone

37:31

likeable. And and he's and he's face having us from New

37:34

Jersey. Yeah. New Jersey has, you know, and Rutgers is playing

37:36

well. New Jersey is a

37:38

basketball state. A lot of people know

37:40

this, but we bring you bring up

37:42

seen also have to bring up the game last

37:44

night. Casey and Defoe gets the rebound,

37:46

gets the game winner. Shahine Holloway

37:48

gets his first, you

37:49

know, someone would say program win, signature win --

37:51

Yeah. -- of

37:51

his new era. So how did it feel

37:54

being a pirate? I know you have to be objective. We're

37:56

all objective here, but It's college

37:57

sports. We all have our own team. So how did it feel to

37:59

watch your Pirates last night get that

38:02

win? That

38:04

was as incredible of a win that Seaton

38:06

Hall has had in years. In

38:08

fact, to give you a number to

38:11

back it out that was their largest comeback win in the

38:13

big east since two thousand and

38:16

six. Wow. You'd have to go

38:18

back to Lewis or being the

38:20

head coach of the pirates to get a comeback win

38:22

quite like the one on Wednesday

38:24

night inside the Prudential

38:26

Center. It was bonkers in there -- Right. --

38:28

bonkers. And

38:30

it was dead at halftime. No. Fourteen was

38:32

yeah. You can's up fourteen. Behalf, guys.

38:34

They were clicking. Plicking

38:38

because They were clicking because they were getting

38:40

transition buckets. Mhmm. And

38:42

they they were getting trailing

38:44

threes between

38:46

Alex Caravan and Jordan Hawkins who you can't leave open. But just

38:49

in the second half, it's

38:51

like this magical effect

38:54

that we saw last year with Saint Peter's

38:57

was unleashed from Seaton Hall. And Casey

38:59

and Deppos at

39:02

the forefront of that. He his March legend,

39:04

it it was transpiring. Think

39:06

about a guy who's had

39:10

more effect on two programs in the same state -- Right. -- in

39:12

college basketball like this guy has.

39:14

Mhmm. He defended his tail off,

39:16

Qudari Richmond, when he decides to

39:18

turn it

39:20

on, he's a really good player. And he turned it on in

39:22

this game and Yukon has a

39:24

guard problem. They really do. They

39:27

they don't have that killer

39:29

guard that can put the game away. And I

39:31

think they felt that late. They've gotta

39:33

figure things out. They've got Butler on Sunday.

39:35

That's an opportunity for them to

39:38

figure things out. But for Seaton

39:40

Hall, it's a huge win. It gets them

39:42

in the bubble conversation.

39:44

And now they ride momentum winners of

39:46

Four Straight. They're doing it with defense. Their last

39:48

scoring offense in the big east. Their last in three point field goal percentage

39:50

in the big east. They're one of the last place

39:52

teams in field goal percentage overall.

39:56

But they take it from you. They've got this New Jersey toughness

39:59

that seems to reverberate with

40:01

Rutgers as well. And last night,

40:03

they took it from Connecticut

40:06

Yukon could not put it away. And for Yukon my thought

40:09

on them. They have

40:11

nine wins. Nine wins

40:14

by at least twenty points this year. Mhmm.

40:17

Close games. Not great.

40:19

Great for that.

40:20

Fanta great. Right. So why

40:22

don't they just win by twenty then? That's what I'm understanding. Like, if you

40:24

know that, like, why not just win every game by twenty? Right.

40:26

It doesn't make any sense. Your front runners. Oh,

40:30

dude. So Xavier loses at the Paul last night, John, as

40:32

well. Who Xavier was obviously on defeat

40:34

in the conference. We talked about the

40:36

last show we did though. Their

40:38

schedule is this isn't a

40:39

knock. just reality. their schedule front loaded where they play all the best teams at home, and

40:41

it's gonna get interesting

40:44

at Fanta

40:45

their their big east run here as they have to go

40:48

on the road against some of the better

40:50

teams. How how would you handicap the big

40:52

east now? Because

40:54

this conference you

40:54

know, obviously, is is great every year. But Jay

40:57

Wright has has the the reign

40:59

of Jay Wright and has string had

41:01

a stranglehold on the

41:03

conference. Now he stepped out of the picture. It feels like an absolute free for

41:06

all as we sit here today. I mean, five,

41:08

six different teams could win this thing. How

41:10

do you

41:12

being more of a big east guy than Tate and

41:14

I. How would you handicap it now as as we sit here today? Well,

41:16

here's how

41:16

I would handicap it first off. How

41:19

about this guys? As

41:22

we talk today, the

41:24

best press conference.

41:26

The best coaching jobs

41:29

done in this conference has been

41:31

by shock of smart. Mhmm.

41:33

Coolie and Sean

41:36

Miller. Mhmm. And if

41:38

what if I had told you that two or three years

41:39

ago? Yeah.

41:40

But, yeah, this in twenty twenty two

41:42

twenty three in the big east, the best

41:44

coaching jobs are gonna be done Two

41:47

of

41:47

them by ShakaSmart and Sean Miller. You

41:50

would have said, where are

41:52

you?

41:52

What planet are you

41:54

on? What are you talking about? You

41:56

know, that's what we're watching here.

42:00

Now, where the big east

42:02

has the

42:04

bigger issues Is

42:06

that Georgetown

42:08

is rock bottom? Mhmm. Georgetown can

42:10

never be this bad. Should never be

42:13

this bad. It's unfortunate. And

42:15

it's rough. They need to look themselves in the mirror and and

42:17

make some necessary changes. Higher higher Chipotino is what

42:19

you're saying. Right. Higher Chipotino.

42:21

Higher someone. Yeah.

42:23

That's the Twitter trade.

42:24

I mean, that's the

42:25

trade trade on. I think Jay Williams could

42:27

do that. Yeah. Jay Jay Williams. Yeah. I

42:29

have. The Jay Williams stuff.

42:31

The Jay Williams stuff

42:33

what are you doing? I'm not trying

42:35

to call out Jay Will,

42:38

but I'm guessing this is the only thing I'll ever call Jay

42:40

Will on. Out on. Come on, Jay

42:42

Will.

42:42

No. You're better than that. This you're not This

42:44

is a space, John. You can call it Jay Will

42:46

here. Don't worry. We've said far worse

42:48

than the

42:49

cops there. Yeah. I like to

42:52

hear it, man. I'll tell you what,

42:56

to me how I would handicap it,

42:58

how I would forecast it, I think that

43:02

-- Yes.

43:04

-- ends up making the stretch run-in this league

43:06

-- Yeah. -- and ends up reminding us

43:08

why ends up reminding us why they were picked one. Right That's

43:10

the right answer.

43:11

That's my

43:11

gut. That's my gut. They're they're

43:14

eleven and

43:16

eight but guys, they're finding it. I mean, in the win earlier

43:19

this week, they had

43:21

seven at Butler. They had seven

43:23

players between eight and twelve

43:26

points. They're just incredibly balanced. Mhmm. They don't require one guy

43:28

to go for twenty or one guy to go for eighteen. It

43:30

could be Shireman in one night. It could be Trey Alexander

43:32

the next. It could be at Art Columa

43:36

the next. I think we all I think not all of us, but I

43:38

think a lot of the people sold out on

43:40

creating when cold printer

43:42

goes down. They go on a losing

43:44

spell. A losing spell that nobody thought would

43:46

be imaginable for this team,

43:48

but I really like their upside.

43:50

And I they're gonna be able to put them together. And one thing you've always learned about

43:52

grabbing the German teams is they get

43:54

better as the year goes on. So for me,

43:56

Crayden reminds us why they're won here. I think

43:58

they're gonna go on

44:00

Fanta stretch run, and I think they could end up winning the big east tournament. think

44:02

Mark Cat is legit. Right. I mean, I I

44:04

don't think this is last year where they fell

44:08

off. Chaka Smart took his team on a retreat in the

44:10

He pulled in his players last

44:12

spring and said, what needs to change?

44:16

just win seven in a row and then fall off.

44:18

They lost six of their last nine games last

44:20

year. At one point at this time last

44:22

year, we all thought Mark CAT could win a tournament

44:24

game, if not, too. Mhmm. They

44:26

are they're legit. And

44:28

Shaka smart at Marquette feels like the

44:30

perfect fit. They're fifteen

44:32

and five There's a seven and two in the big east. What a year that they're

44:34

having? Tyler Colek has been one of the best

44:36

point guards in college

44:38

basketball. Right. So

44:40

there's offenses their offense is top five in Kemp. So for

44:42

real. Providence is tough,

44:44

and I have some concerns with

44:46

their guard play at times

44:48

but they're a tough team. To me, they if you're

44:51

I worry about them away from home

44:53

-- Mhmm. -- because defensively

44:57

They're just not altogether there. They just aren't. They're

44:59

a really good offensive team. The big east

45:01

is a fun league in terms of offense

45:03

this year. Some of these teams had to figure

45:05

out who they on the deep defense event

45:07

of the floor, but I'll tell you what guys, of Storyline and

45:10

Monitor. The big east tournament let's

45:12

face it. the

45:14

Villanova Invitational -- Yep. -- for the better part

45:16

of the last decade. A

45:18

Midwest team since this league

45:20

reconfigured has never won the big

45:22

east tournament. Is this the

45:24

year that we see,

45:25

Xavier or Marc Cat or

45:28

somebody like or Craven. Craven has

45:30

been the prides

45:32

made

45:32

forever. They've made four big east tournament championship games out of nine.

45:34

It's the fifth out

45:35

of ten,

45:36

the magical moment. That's the script

45:38

on picking. Or does brother get healthy?

45:41

Go on, bro. I don't know. It could happen.

45:43

It could happen. We'll see. Crayton's

45:45

the right answer there, John. I'm I'm glad you love

45:47

Crayton as much as we do because we saw

45:49

Crayton and Maui And it's it's kinda been a running joke on our show

45:51

that every time Kriton loses, we just we move the

45:54

goal post and we say, yeah, but they're the

45:56

best eight loss

45:58

team in

45:58

country. Yeah. But, like, it was Find me a better one. Yeah. Find

45:59

me a better nine line. Like, as they continue to lose, we'll just keep

46:01

saying that. Mhmm. What what was called print did he

46:03

have mono? Was that it? Like, what he

46:06

was what what did a what

46:08

what what was

46:09

wrong with him? That

46:11

that's basic list.

46:12

Basically, what it was? What it was. Success.

46:14

Success. He's under kissing. Sergeant

46:17

Sam Darnell.

46:18

You know how much

46:20

there's lingering effects there too. Yeah.

46:22

You know, other than when you have when you

46:25

have that, it can sideline you for a couple of games. That's what happened

46:27

with called Brenner. And and it

46:29

took some real time for

46:31

him to get fresh it back

46:34

up and get back in the equation.

46:36

And let's face it. He's their

46:38

most valuable player. I

46:40

mean, he protects the rim. Right. He makes things happen around the rim.

46:42

If he's not blocking shots, he's

46:44

altering them. And guys, I haven't

46:46

even thought

46:48

since he's come back, he's fully bent himself. Mhmm. I thought

46:51

against Yukon, I was seeing

46:53

him do things that I just I

46:55

was surprised by. He didn't look his durability factor

46:58

hasn't been exactly the same,

47:00

but he has come

47:02

back and they've gotten

47:04

on a roll here now. And I think they're they're

47:06

in a very good place, and I I think

47:08

they're just starting. So the big

47:10

east title race is going to be destinating.

47:12

Because creating swallowed some lumps early, but their schedule,

47:15

it allows for them to really go

47:17

on a run

47:17

here. And I think that run

47:19

is gonna happen. Who do you

47:21

think is gonna win the big east coach of the year? Because

47:23

we have a good race. We have shock is smart at

47:26

market. We have Sean Miller and Xavier. I

47:28

think that's a fascinating thing to me because I was telling Titus, slash

47:30

show, Sean Miller is the class of the big

47:32

east. But I don't know. There's something about Shaq

47:34

and

47:35

Marquette that They have my attention, so I wanted to hear from the expert

47:38

himself. I'm with Tate.

47:40

I'm with you. Right. Chocolate Smart is

47:42

my big east coach of the

47:44

year today. Lovely. And I think he

47:46

ends up winning it. His team was picked

47:48

to finish ninth of the big east. Right.

47:50

You lose you lose

47:52

Justin Lewis. You gain no portal splashes. Mhmm. They

47:54

didn't do anything in the transfer portal.

47:56

Their freshman class was

47:58

fine. You know how they're

48:00

doing

48:00

it? What a concept in

48:02

college basketball. Player development.

48:06

We love it. Player development.

48:09

Mark Kent feels like Mark Kent again.

48:11

Right. They're they're tough. They've got a

48:13

killer instinct.

48:15

Kam Jones has grown leaps and bounds. Tyler Kola has

48:17

grown leaps and bounds. That's as good of a backcourt as

48:20

you're gonna find on the big east, and then you

48:22

look at

48:24

OMAK's Prosper. And Osceli Gedaro and David

48:26

Joplin. They don't have

48:28

this back to

48:30

the basket traditional

48:32

five, man. A good raul tries to fill that

48:34

role, but he's not like what cult Brenner and

48:36

Joel Soriano, it's saying, John's and

48:38

Sonoco can

48:40

do. Right. But what he's what

48:42

he does is, it fouls what Shopify Smart wants.

48:44

He wants to mobilize

48:48

his bigs. Shop of Smart didn't

48:50

forget how to coach a Texas. It just didn't

48:53

end up fitting. It's

48:55

Texas.

48:55

No. But nobody fits fix

48:58

it, Texas. Not a deal. There's a reason

49:00

why we're always asking are they back. When

49:02

you were asking you, are you are

49:04

you back It means that you never have a true fit form. And

49:06

and for me, I think shock

49:08

is smart at Marquette back in his home state of

49:10

Wisconsin where he grew up.

49:12

It just

49:14

feels right. The Golden Eagles haven't won an NCAA tournament

49:16

game in a

49:17

decade, guys. That's kind of changed. Wow. Wow.

49:19

I didn't realize that. It's

49:21

been that long. Twenty twelve.

49:24

But that was the Buzz

49:26

Williams. Wow. Dude, we're getting

49:28

too old. I know. Like, this is, like, I was if you would if

49:30

you would ask I said,

49:31

like, three years ago, four years ago. So I'm like I saw John Wall talking about his

49:33

recruitment. Like, it was, you know, David Thompson talking about his

49:35

recruitment. I'm gonna say, how? Yeah.

49:37

Where do we

49:40

live? What time is it?

49:41

John, what what else in in college basketball get

49:43

you going outside the big east? What what what is

49:45

it that because

49:48

because we looking for storylines on this show. Obviously, Zach Yede has

49:50

just cannibalized all like,

49:52

he's he's just swallowed, I I guess, is a

49:54

better

49:55

way put it just, like,

49:57

everything. He's ruined the wooden wall. He's ruined he's ruined college basketball. Zuckerberg is ruined

49:59

college basketball. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.

50:01

The piece. Aggregate.

50:05

So, like, the the the

50:07

national player that your race is over. I

50:09

guess, like, Kentucky beanback, does that do it for

50:11

you? Like, the the ebbs and flows in Kentucky? What what

50:13

is it that you have your eye on that you're like,

50:15

this is this is, you

50:17

know, super interesting to me here

50:19

in mid to late January and

50:21

and around the country. The fact that

50:23

the best freshman and the best all around

50:25

talented college basketball is

50:28

playing in Tuscaloosa.

50:30

Mhmm. That's

50:32

that's interesting to me. Right. Brandon

50:35

Miller is beyond his

50:37

years mature too. He's got

50:39

a great circle of people he

50:42

is superb to watch, and that really

50:44

fascinates me. And I think

50:47

in the SEC this year,

50:49

collectively, that SEC title race

50:51

and and the way that the SEC performs in

50:54

March would be really

50:56

interesting because, like, there's moments where

50:58

I'm buying Tennessee Uh-huh. But guys, I

51:00

don't I don't know if I trust them. I just I

51:02

don't trust them offensively. As

51:04

good as they can be, sometimes is is

51:06

as rough as they can be to watch on

51:09

the other What happened to Arkansas? Like,

51:11

that now intrigues me. Are they just gonna fall

51:13

off a cliff? Mhmm. Or will must must get

51:15

them back on? I mean, keep in

51:17

mind, Arkansas's going to back to back deleted dates. And if

51:19

you would have told us in early December, they'd be

51:21

on track for that again. We would have said,

51:24

yeah. That's only the

51:26

Ka's, but there are one in five in the

51:28

FCC. It's crazy. The

51:30

big twelve intrigues me. The

51:33

Big twelve is ridiculous. Half of the Big

51:35

twelve's league games have been decided

51:37

by six points or

51:40

less. Yeah.

51:41

It's it's it's nuts. I I have one

51:44

controversial opinion. I shouldn't even say this, but the

51:46

same. We're in the business of

51:48

controversy. Right. The big

51:50

twelve is by far the best league in the country. I'm

51:52

not gonna say it's not. But

51:54

the the the, like, this is the

51:56

time of year where the fawning over the

51:58

big twelve because it's just like a it's like a cyclical thing of

52:00

like, you they they all play each other and it's all

52:02

fun games. So that I I don't

52:04

know. Like, everyone

52:06

talks about a big twelve. Like, they they might have the ten best teams in the

52:08

country. I don't know. I I

52:10

shouldn't have even said that, John. I I apologize about it

52:12

because I don't wanna I don't but it just,

52:14

like, it's like

52:16

Texas Tech is not that good anymore. Like Texas Tech, let's not

52:18

pretend that Texas Tech is like a a good

52:20

team. And But Baylor beating them was

52:22

a good bet. Yeah.

52:23

But Baylor You know what I mean? It's

52:26

like like the the way the way we talk about the

52:28

Big twelve is like, I'm counting I'm calling

52:30

on like one person in the National Media to

52:32

step up and say

52:32

like, it's definitely the best conference. It is not

52:35

like --

52:35

Mhmm. -- you know, this is not a ten bid

52:37

league. Let's not say that. Let's not, like, get excited

52:39

about a ten bid league

52:41

here, you know. Here here's

52:43

the interesting thing. The reason why the big twelve has

52:45

developed that perception is because they've accounted for two for

52:48

the last two national championships.

52:52

And they've had a team in the championship game. Now

52:54

the last three years, they've had a team in the

52:56

final four every year since twenty eighteen.

52:59

In other words, when you have that seat at

53:01

the Big Boy table -- Mhmm. -- you're

53:04

always gonna be treated with some

53:06

respect. And I

53:08

do think that the Big Ten is the deepest

53:10

conference in college basket. Thank

53:11

you, John. I do. I really do.

53:13

III fully believe that.

53:15

It's a legit

53:18

twelve deep. If not, thirteen on Sundays.

53:20

I mean, in a world where Nebraska's

53:22

beating Ohio state. Wait. What?

53:26

Sorry. Wait. World is that? I

53:28

know. Did that

53:29

happen? It

53:30

did. It never happened. Not this universe.

53:33

You know, it it it we've

53:35

stopped acknowledging it. III really didn't know my lane. You told me that

53:37

I didn't know nothing. I

53:40

know

53:40

nothing. John.

53:42

I thought John was the most lovable guy, Cali. Yeah. What the hell

53:44

is this? It quickly quickly ruining

53:46

my stock of getting a a

53:48

free canes order in Columbus. Here's

53:52

a thing, though. To me, the

53:54

reason why the big ten isn't getting talked

53:57

about more is because now we've

53:59

gotten to that point like every time I is getting annoying. Every

54:02

time I send a tweet about the

54:04

Big Ten, Like,

54:06

the second response is call me in March. Exactly. Call me

54:08

in the

54:08

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When a real ring when a

54:11

real ring. Yeah. Okay. I'm not

54:13

calling you in March. And don't get

54:15

your number. You're not getting a phone call

54:17

from me and shut up. Don't bring

54:19

a box of water. Stop making a

54:21

phone call with

54:23

you. He's not calling. Yeah. You're you're not getting a phone call from

54:26

me and pipe down.

54:28

Okay. Because, you know what?

54:29

Yeah. Daddy Brad on

54:31

Daddy Brad Underwood said it. The

54:33

way that you make a tournament run is you keep getting in

54:35

the NCAA tournament. Right. So

54:38

to to dial in Omaha,

54:40

who's upset, about the big ten

54:42

not making the march run. I say to you, Dale, calm yourself down.

54:45

Okay? And keep that

54:47

pencil sharpened because it's coming.

54:50

Okay. Well, I right. I I the big ten is gonna

54:52

be fine. The big ten is is deep. It's

54:54

the deepest conference in college basketball.

54:58

The

54:58

problem is we don't win national titles, and that's when when people say make

55:00

a run of March, they mean win a national title. Because

55:02

if -- Right. -- if if you have a

55:06

brain, you would acknowledge that the big ten is we

55:08

we've sent seven programs to the national title

55:10

game. And that's that's not good enough.

55:13

You know? Forget. But that's not good enough to date. So, like, what what run are

55:15

you talking about? You're talking about winning the national championship?

55:18

Yeah. Like, win a national win a win a win a win

55:20

a win But

55:22

the the what what screwed us perception

55:24

wise was that COVID year in twenty twenty

55:26

one when we're we're playing with

55:28

in Indiana, That was

55:30

Illinois year. That

55:30

was a little you know, like and and

55:32

rightfully

55:32

so. But also, I thought we all I thought we

55:34

all agreed as a college basketball community to look back on

55:37

that and say it was Mickey

55:38

TOURNAMENT, and it doesn't count. And none of that matters. No.

55:40

Sometimes it's like, well,

55:42

it's an ice huddle

55:45

in the bubble. It's like LeBron's title in the book. Yes. Mickey

55:47

Mouse. Doesn't count. Yeah. Once once LeBron

55:50

won it, like, if the heat had won it, we'd be

55:52

like, yeah.

55:54

You know? But once the brown one, it's like, yeah,

55:56

you know. Yeah. Add it to

55:58

the resume. Add it to the resume. Jordan. Yeah.

56:02

And it's

56:03

Right. Okay. So that that is that is the monkey on

56:05

the Big Ten's back, though. You have to win a national

56:08

title. And and you say you say the

56:10

conference is deep. You say I actually agree

56:12

with you. And this isn't even just

56:14

me being a big ten over. I think that people shit on the

56:16

big ten so much that we as a conference

56:18

are in a good position heading into March because the

56:20

expectations are so low. That

56:22

III actually think we could get,

56:24

like, three teams in the three sixteen, which

56:26

people will be shocked by. Like, Illinois

56:28

is better than people realize. Indiana, everyone

56:30

pretended like their their seasons over. I don't think

56:33

it is. But but, John, we the

56:35

conference has to win a

56:38

national title we sit here

56:38

today, it's Purdue and Purdue alone. Right? Is that is that how you see it? Like,

56:40

we don't we don't think Illinois or Indiana or

56:43

Illinois are the best in

56:44

our dark course, I think. I think Illinois

56:47

is the team. Outside of Purdue. Right. Rutgers.

56:49

Rutgers isn't it national title good, John?

56:51

Are they? No. They're not. Yeah. They're

56:53

not. But you know what? Right now,

56:55

it's to me. If you're asking me,

56:57

whose national title good? I do push back on when people are

57:00

like, yeah, it could be any of

57:02

like fifteen to twenty teams. So long as this

57:04

goes,

57:05

guys, the more I get to,

57:08

like, I think it's, like, five to sixteen. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

57:09

For me so for me, those teams

57:12

are Houston.

57:14

Mhmm. Kansas.

57:17

Alabama is there.

57:21

Agree. For do. UCLA.

57:23

Yep. After that --

57:26

Yep. -- I'd be curious to know where

57:28

you'd go. Because

57:30

Gonzaga not sold on, Texas's

57:32

offense sometimes disappears from

57:35

the big spot. Yep. Virginia,

57:38

Virginia based on an experience

57:40

balance, I could see

57:42

someone making the case, by the way, another

57:44

intriguing a college

57:46

basketball

57:46

storyline. The ACC's better than everybody thought it would be.

57:48

Right. Mhmm. I mean, eighteen is still in

57:50

the conference. Yeah. That's crazy.

57:54

That's good parody. There's gonna be a race there. And

57:56

I'm intrigued to see if

58:00

Carolina hits this different

58:02

gear again, Like, does that

58:04

happen twice? Does lightning strike

58:06

twice? And then I think

58:08

we have to go back to the wild

58:10

here. Like, How does John

58:12

Shire's first year end?

58:14

What is the end result of his

58:16

story? And do they get fully healthy? And

58:18

do we finally see the dariq whitehead

58:20

that they've been looking for. So that's fascinating to

58:23

me as well. But I think

58:25

in college basketball, you've got

58:27

about five or six legit

58:29

national title contenders. When it comes to the

58:31

Suite sixteen, would guarantee this now. You can all take expose

58:34

me. You will see in the Fanta

58:37

fourteen seat or worse, be in the sweet

58:40

sixteen. Wow. It takes the bank. Wow. It's

58:42

gonna

58:42

happen again.

58:43

Orla Roberts, St. Peter. College of

58:45

Charles. College of Charles. A

58:47

fifteen seated college of Charleston.

58:49

Who's one law? Who's there? One

58:51

one loss of thirty seven

58:54

and one fifteen seed -- Right. -- because they have zero they have

58:56

zero quality wins -- Right. -- and

58:58

produce the

59:00

two seed.

59:01

Yeah. Right. Well, that would be yeah. That would then

59:04

then you know what? If that happens, then I'm

59:06

gonna have to call that guy and know, Mohan.

59:08

You're gonna call him.

59:11

Yeah. So if if Purdue loses

59:13

in the first round, I'll just be

59:15

placing it off the

59:16

entire den. Just log off, Don. Just, like, just

59:18

go go on big

59:19

days. That'll be the enemy.

59:20

Right. Yeah. Forget. Yeah. IIII think Carolina I'm

59:22

gonna just say this big tape feel better.

59:24

But but Carolina is as

59:26

as long as Carolina is their

59:29

season is not over. They're in the mix because of

59:32

last year. Right. Because of the talent they have and

59:34

and we've seen them but the problem I

59:36

think with Carolina is that

59:38

they all every single player in coaching that locker room has the exact same

59:40

mindset that they're like, we can flip this switch

59:42

whenever we want. And I don't know

59:44

if that's the same mindset to have, but they're they're

59:46

playing better think

59:48

most of the country realizes because they came

59:50

out of the gate not great to eat -- Right. --

59:52

as you

59:53

know. But every game

59:54

they've lost is pretty much baycaught, really.

59:57

Yeah. And I feel like Carolina is a dark horse to, like,

59:59

put it together. Yeah. And suddenly, they're ranked,

1:00:01

like, nineteenth. Caleb and Caleb

1:00:04

would not shoot. Worse than he is right

1:00:06

now. Yeah. If you look at the last ten games,

1:00:08

you'll never see percentages like

1:00:09

this. So that is the perfect time to

1:00:11

buy the dip. Yeah.

1:00:12

That's all

1:00:13

I'm saying. If if you're someone that believes that it will bounce back the other way now -- What the

1:00:15

time? -- what about Arizona? Where are you

1:00:17

out on Arizona? John? Are

1:00:19

you done with Arizona? I I am personally. I I'm

1:00:21

I'm done with Arizona as a national title

1:00:24

threat. I I don't trust Kirkcresta

1:00:26

anymore. But So

1:00:27

Arizona to me is the

1:00:30

restaurant that I've had

1:00:33

five trips to. And three and a

1:00:35

half of them have been good.

1:00:38

Okay. I had a bad

1:00:40

night at at one point might

1:00:42

have drank a little too much tequila at

1:00:44

the restaurant. And as a as a result of the food got

1:00:46

impacted, I'm gonna

1:00:48

get I'm gonna get it a sixth

1:00:50

try because the first time I went

1:00:54

fell in love with the place. Yeah. Right. That's that's

1:00:55

Arizona. Arizona is the

1:00:58

restaurant that's had a couple of bad nights,

1:01:00

but you you really like

1:01:02

the staff there and you're gonna You

1:01:04

can get another shot. Yeah. I still I still believe them. You know why?

1:01:07

The wildcat's best is

1:01:09

good enough to be the best in the country.

1:01:12

Absolutely. That's why I'm still in

1:01:14

on Arizona. As much as Kirk Mason,

1:01:16

Courtney Rainey, can

1:01:18

be frustrating I trust Tommy Lloyd, who's won a lot more than

1:01:20

he's lost. And at the end of the day,

1:01:22

Ozoo's Tabatos and Omar Bal are

1:01:24

on nightmare

1:01:26

match up especially for teams that aren't as familiar with

1:01:28

them. Teams that don't know them or

1:01:30

haven't seen them before. So

1:01:32

I I think the other thing

1:01:34

is, like, Paymenting Larson

1:01:36

can't just disappear. A guy that athletic

1:01:38

on the wing just scored two or

1:01:40

three points a game. He's got to be a guy

1:01:42

that given them ten to fourteen points. So me, they're

1:01:44

such a dangerous team, and I can't get

1:01:46

out on that because I I do like their

1:01:48

talent. One flaw with Arizona, though,

1:01:52

guys. It's not like Tommy Lloyd has anywhere where he can go on his bench

1:01:54

to find someone who can really step

1:01:56

up and be a sixth or seventh man

1:01:58

in a major major way. But

1:02:01

I'm out on the wildcats. I'm

1:02:04

I'm not out quite

1:02:05

yet. I'm gonna give that restaurant another

1:02:07

spin. Mhmm. If you watched if you watched Arizona

1:02:09

and, like, layup lines, you

1:02:11

would think Larson's their best player. And I told if if you watched

1:02:14

Arizona layup lines and I said there's one guy out

1:02:16

there that's that's probably gonna be a first team

1:02:18

all Americans, certainly second team at the worst.

1:02:20

Who is it? You'd be like it's

1:02:22

probably the the guy who's like six

1:02:24

six and jacked out of his mind and

1:02:26

and has a smooth looking shirt, you know. And he

1:02:28

watched the games and you're like, what happened to that guy

1:02:30

that I saw. That was Where is this guy? And and,

1:02:32

yeah, Larson is so frustrated. That's I don't

1:02:34

I don't I I agree with you that

1:02:36

Arizona at their best. When Arizona is

1:02:38

rolling, they looked like the best team in the country. We saw it in Maui. We're

1:02:41

like, this is the best team in college basketball, I

1:02:43

think. But you have to do that six

1:02:44

times, and I don't trust that they're gonna bring

1:02:48

that six times in a row. And and they could be a turning team in a tournament

1:02:50

game and lose that game. Yeah. Right? We saw that in

1:02:52

Maui. They would get up big, and they're almost like an

1:02:54

NBA team. They get complacent. Kirkcrest

1:02:56

is starts turning the ball over. And then all of a sudden, college basketball

1:02:59

run happens to boom. It's a it's a game,

1:03:01

and they don't wanna play it anymore. But UCLA

1:03:03

goes to Arizona this

1:03:05

On Saturday. Yeah. Circle that game. Yeah. That's gonna

1:03:08

be a good one. Circled. I've started

1:03:10

to circle it. I just circled it.

1:03:12

Anything else, they I

1:03:14

love I I don't think I have anything else.

1:03:16

I I wanna say this, John. This is a pleasure. We

1:03:18

we have I met you one time

1:03:20

in at the Big East tournament

1:03:23

last year. And the the reason you're still lovable,

1:03:25

and and I hope, again, III hope

1:03:27

I'm not, like, you know, embarrassing you

1:03:29

too much here, but We we were

1:03:31

at a bar in what was it? Oscar Wilde? Was that the bar? Yeah. In in

1:03:33

Manhattan, you know. Yeah. Raff is

1:03:35

holding court like he always

1:03:37

does. Like, Bill Bill Raff three

1:03:39

and Bob Huggins I've said are the two people in college

1:03:42

basketball that can walk into a bar and just

1:03:44

sit down on a bar stool and not say a word to

1:03:46

anybody and

1:03:46

just, like, wait ten minutes. Right. And they got

1:03:48

a crowd of, like, people around them. It's like a media

1:03:50

scrum. It's just

1:03:51

everybody wants to hear it. Everyone's leaning in, hearing

1:03:53

what they gotta say. Right. And the

1:03:55

fans of shows up, and III

1:03:57

talked to him for, like, five minutes. I think

1:03:59

you're on your way out, John. And you're like,

1:04:01

John good to meet you. And I was like, hey, man. I

1:04:03

I, you know, it's good to finally, you know, meet face

1:04:06

to face and all that. And then you

1:04:08

walked out of the bar by yourself to go back to

1:04:10

the hotel. And it was like,

1:04:12

again, this isn't an insult. This is the only reference

1:04:14

I could think was Lloyd Christmas walking out of the barn in Dum and Dummer when he

1:04:15

said, we landed on the moon, you know? And he's not talking to

1:04:18

anybody. He just throws his arms in there.

1:04:20

I watched walk out on street

1:04:22

of Manhattan and just

1:04:22

yell, big east tournament and pump your fist

1:04:25

in there. And I was like, this

1:04:27

guy, you love so

1:04:29

much

1:04:29

basketball. Right. To an extent that I've never seen, like It fired me up. That

1:04:32

immediately

1:04:32

sold me on this man. Like,

1:04:33

I I've I've been I you know, it's not an

1:04:35

act. This is this year. Yeah. This is Gary Love, and

1:04:37

we love the game, and we

1:04:39

love we love seeing you love it, and it just it it's it's

1:04:41

the

1:04:41

best. It's so weird feeling. Do you

1:04:44

get any hate from anybody? I mean, you said people

1:04:46

tripping you at the big ten. Is

1:04:48

there, like, did you feel heat

1:04:50

from anybody? Like, how have you done this? Because this is this

1:04:52

is all I like, every time I log on,

1:04:54

it's just like, you're wrong, and here's why. That's

1:04:56

my entire Twitter experience. Mhmm. Is do

1:04:58

you experience it feels like you're just

1:05:00

the most

1:05:00

beloved guy ever. Dude, I appreciate that. It's very

1:05:02

humbling. I don't know if I've

1:05:06

gotten I mean, I can hate here

1:05:08

and there. The Paul fans gave me hate for not loving their

1:05:10

win over Xavier enough, I guess.

1:05:15

But no, honestly. I mean, I love

1:05:17

this sport. And -- Yeah. -- I think I

1:05:19

think there's two things you can control in

1:05:21

life. Here's life lessons with tightness

1:05:23

and tight. Love

1:05:24

that. There's two things you there's two things

1:05:26

you can control in life.

1:05:28

How hard you work and

1:05:30

What kind of person are you -- Mhmm. -- while you're doing it. If if

1:05:33

you're nobody wants to work

1:05:35

with an ass. So That

1:05:39

was something that I learned as an intern with Fox Sports

1:05:41

after my junior year of college. One of the

1:05:43

coordinating producers of studio, the first day

1:05:45

on the internship. He

1:05:48

looked at me in his office and he said, you know, remember this. Nobody wants to

1:05:50

work with a jerk. Mhmm. And, you

1:05:53

know, you guys are on

1:05:56

Team Fox sports. I'm a part of the Fox Sports family. Right. We

1:05:58

work with a lot of we work with a lot of

1:06:00

first class people. And I'm not

1:06:02

just saying that, people that

1:06:04

get it but people that as

1:06:06

hard as they work, they manage to

1:06:08

be really down to earth humble

1:06:10

humans for how accomplished they are in

1:06:12

their careers. And so from from the time I was an

1:06:14

intern in Los Angeles,

1:06:16

working working for Fox and doing some behind

1:06:19

the scenes stuff, you know, you

1:06:21

quickly realized just how many great people

1:06:24

we have both in front of and behind

1:06:26

the cameras. And

1:06:28

for me, my parents always said, you know, find find what you're

1:06:30

good at and be the best at it.

1:06:32

And I

1:06:34

just I always think to myself

1:06:36

no matter what game we're covering, no matter

1:06:38

what game we're talking about, no matter what team

1:06:40

we're talking about. There is someone

1:06:42

out there listening or watching, that treats

1:06:45

this like the passion it is --

1:06:46

Yeah. -- life or death. We have

1:06:48

to we have to match

1:06:50

if not exceed that. Because

1:06:53

we owe it to those folks. And the Game

1:06:55

of college basketball has given me a lot of

1:06:57

thrill. I was a student at

1:07:00

Seaton Hall when I covered my first final four. My first final

1:07:03

four was twenty sixteen, Chris Jenkins in

1:07:05

Houston. And I remember looking around. And

1:07:07

if that doesn't make

1:07:10

you say I'm gonna love this forever. Mhmm. I felt

1:07:12

like that that was like a marriage with

1:07:14

college basketball being installed

1:07:16

for me. And I'll never forget

1:07:20

that. And I tell myself every day, this

1:07:22

beat's working because this

1:07:24

sport

1:07:25

is the best. You're the

1:07:28

best too, John. We do we do love you. We

1:07:30

we our our role in the college

1:07:32

basketball universe is just to be snarky

1:07:34

assholes that, you know, just, like,

1:07:36

make jokes about everything. And to have a guy

1:07:38

like you kinda counterbalance that

1:07:40

and be a force for good and just

1:07:42

not to say that, you know, you're you're not

1:07:44

afraid to you know, make a

1:07:46

joke here and there, obviously. But, you

1:07:48

know, it it is it is refreshing. I I think

1:07:50

just as a consumer of media,

1:07:52

honestly, like, not even you know, just

1:07:54

because III watch your stuff and I listen

1:07:56

to you and I I it's it's just refreshing to

1:07:58

have a guy like you that just

1:08:01

genuinely loves it.

1:08:02

Yeah. It doesn't feel like it's unfair about what your

1:08:04

take is. And if your take is right, it feels

1:08:06

like you care because you love

1:08:07

it. That's

1:08:07

what we love it. And when you're wrong, instead

1:08:10

of fighting everybody, you're to smile, and you're like

1:08:12

you're

1:08:12

like, Dale, I'm not gonna call you. Yeah. I'm not gonna

1:08:14

call you. Well, not call you. Yes, sir.

1:08:17

Hey,

1:08:17

if you're wrong, you're wrong, I'm okay I've been

1:08:19

wrong on plenty of things, and I'll

1:08:20

be wrong

1:08:21

on many more things, but it's been a

1:08:23

it's been

1:08:23

a pleasure to join

1:08:25

you guys. For the first time, and I appreciate you

1:08:28

having me. This

1:08:28

will not be the last time, John. Right. I

1:08:30

promise

1:08:30

you that. One hundred

1:08:31

percent. Alright. John Phantom. Thank

1:08:33

you so much, dude.

1:08:34

Thanks, Phantom. Thanks, Titus

1:08:35

and Tate. Alright. Thank you

1:08:37

to John Phantom. He's the best.

1:08:39

He's he's just as as

1:08:41

perfect as I pictured him

1:08:43

in my dreams. Too. Right. I

1:08:46

whenever I see fans, like, on any platform, just talking

1:08:51

about college basketball. Gets me excited. I get a little bit of a

1:08:53

smile and I just get a little bit of warmth in my heart. And so I do wanna call Jim though when you when

1:08:55

Phantom is talking

1:08:58

about all the great people Fox and, you know, how hard they work and all this sort of

1:09:00

thing. Right. Jim Bob broke his neck. He was not

1:09:02

in his head so long. Like, that's hard. Just

1:09:05

going, yes. Just John continued to have me. I don't think he was

1:09:08

talking about you, Jim. I don't think he I

1:09:10

think

1:09:10

he started him. What

1:09:11

what was the Emmy nominated

1:09:13

producer, Jim? Gotcha.

1:09:14

Joyce, he was talking about

1:09:15

the police. He was talking

1:09:17

about the people behind the scenes, Jim. And

1:09:19

unfortunately, you were very bullish in front of the

1:09:21

scenes.

1:09:21

Our director of the show is working hard.

1:09:23

Tyler crew. You wouldn't mind about you?

1:09:25

Not you, Jim. You wanna do some

1:09:28

fraud

1:09:30

and cut that out anyway. I'm gonna take that

1:09:31

out. I'm ready for frauds. You know, I'm ready

1:09:34

for frauds. It's Friday even though it's not, but

1:09:36

It's it's it doesn't

1:09:38

matter for Friday. Friday is a

1:09:41

state of mind. We could do this on a

1:09:43

Monday and it's a if talking someone

1:09:47

in my DM Some people are Jay voice. Great. A lot of

1:09:49

people are asking me a great start to run

1:09:51

Friday. A lot of people

1:09:54

are asking No. I I've been called out. Someone has

1:09:56

said that the fraud power icons have lost

1:09:58

their way. They said that -- Oh,

1:10:00

no. -- once upon a

1:10:03

time, this segment was it it it called

1:10:05

out the frauds. It called it, like, if you remember, Tate, like, we we first

1:10:07

did it with the Doc Rivers and

1:10:09

and Paul George and

1:10:11

Cois Leonard and who's who's responsible

1:10:13

for the Clippers sneaking. But then when I did it for the college teams, it was me calling out

1:10:15

Houston -- Mhmm. -- the twenty twenty one Houston

1:10:18

team. And I would I would constantly point

1:10:20

out who

1:10:23

the frauds are, which teams and

1:10:25

players and coaches and all that.

1:10:27

And someone said, get

1:10:29

back to Like, what's going on? Like, why is why is

1:10:31

Yukon not on the fraud powering? How is Arkansas

1:10:34

not on the fraud powering in Ohio State?

1:10:36

What's going and

1:10:38

I I to that, I say it is true. We

1:10:40

we we did use to do it that

1:10:41

way. We we have lost our way a little bit, you know,

1:10:43

and it's getting a little more eccentric with the

1:10:46

picks.

1:10:46

Too many committees. Yeah. Too many committees. You

1:10:48

know how these government organizations, you

1:10:50

know, too many hooks in the kitchen.

1:10:53

But also what happened is people people are too sensitive, you know? And

1:10:55

I I was calling out teams and and people were taking it the wrong way. Aggregating. Aggregating.

1:10:59

Right. Re tweeting. Jerry

1:11:01

say but hurt. Is that a word the

1:11:03

kids still use? Mhmm. And so I don't

1:11:05

know. I don't know. Actually, actually, it's it

1:11:08

feels like guess I used that.

1:11:10

I was like, you know, that that didn't feel right. That feels very, like, twenty thirteen. Right. Did not feel twenty

1:11:12

there. Yeah.

1:11:16

People are too sensitive. So I just wanted to say that out

1:11:18

of the gate, but that also is a good segue to number five on the Frauds power

1:11:21

rankings these days

1:11:23

because number five, on for Friday

1:11:26

this week is kids these days -- Mhmm. -- just in general. Kids these days.

1:11:28

The the league is not good hands.

1:11:30

The league is not good hands. Okay.

1:11:33

Because I'm sure you saw this

1:11:36

video tape that that that went viral was

1:11:38

posted on Monday by an account called Courtside

1:11:40

Films. Got

1:11:42

fourteen, fifteen, something like that

1:11:44

million views and and and climbing --

1:11:46

Mhmm. -- of third graders in

1:11:49

an AU basketball game. Just

1:11:52

I I don't know how to describe it

1:11:54

to listeners if you didn't see the

1:11:55

video. If you never Exit

1:11:58

the pool to if you never

1:12:00

sit AAU culture when someone says it.

1:12:02

I think that video sums it up pretty perfectly, but they're third graders. That's why I tell you. They're a third

1:12:07

grader. Let's

1:12:08

go. Let's go flexing and slapping their

1:12:10

bicep. Too small. Too small. Too

1:12:15

small. Too small. There's

1:12:16

a video of a kid that's three

1:12:19

foot eleven. Right. It's too small. Right. It's a guy, Gartner. Right. And and

1:12:23

Maybe maybe getting any makes. He's just getting buckets. I just wanna

1:12:25

say, like, as a as a a

1:12:28

guy who was aged out of the eighteen

1:12:30

to thirty four year old demographic, I'm now

1:12:32

on my third demographic date.

1:12:34

Mhmm. I'm I've gone from a child to eighteen thirty four. I'm officially an old man, being thirty

1:12:36

five years old. Right. III

1:12:38

feel like I have to say it.

1:12:43

Kids these days. They're they're fraudulent. They're like my generation

1:12:45

would never. We we never would have done

1:12:47

this. So this The funniest

1:12:49

part to me and all

1:12:51

this discourse that's happening out, you know,

1:12:53

these not really necessarily these kids specifically, but I saw Austin

1:12:55

Rivers came out and he had this two minute diatribe,

1:12:59

which kind of, you know, confirms a lot of things that you and I talk about

1:13:01

in the show, talking about the highlight culture,

1:13:03

and guys don't even watch full

1:13:06

games and all that sort of

1:13:08

stuff. And then you you see all

1:13:10

this. And I saw a lot of NBA players, quote, tweeting the third graders with the SMH

1:13:13

smack my face, you know,

1:13:15

like, look at this. Look

1:13:17

at look at how horrible this is. And

1:13:19

then I'm watching the third graders and I'm thinking to myself, this

1:13:22

kid that just hit that step back three, who's your mind

1:13:24

me of? Awesome

1:13:27

rooms. You know? It was funny. It

1:13:29

was

1:13:29

also Westbrook's like SMH,

1:13:31

you know. And you're like,

1:13:33

who did that? Arrow shot. Look

1:13:35

like or you the flags look like

1:13:37

I'm like Russell Westbrook, you know. It was

1:13:39

a very it was this

1:13:41

very weird experience where you're

1:13:43

like, I agree with you, but also It's the -- You

1:13:45

do this. -- it's the boomers complaining

1:13:47

about millennials getting participation trophies. And you're,

1:13:49

like, who do you think was

1:13:51

giving

1:13:51

us? Right. The participation trophy. You think we're

1:13:54

giving them to ourselves? Right. You were the ones getting to Right. Like, I remember Austin

1:13:56

Rivers to highlight

1:13:59

Dave. It was amazing. You know?

1:14:01

But Austin Rivers, one of the highlights was that he was

1:14:03

talking shit to the entire crowd as he was doing

1:14:03

that. Basically So Austin Rivers made a lot

1:14:06

of great points, but then

1:14:08

also I think we're we're

1:14:10

his point of view, but he he he massaged it and tried to make it seem like he was speaking for

1:14:12

basketball as a whole. Right. But really what

1:14:14

his point of view was was, like,

1:14:19

I I'm I was good in high school. And now I have to

1:14:21

like, if you were watching highlight tapes in high school,

1:14:23

it was only good players. I got to do

1:14:25

this. He's basically, like, it's stolen valor that everybody -- Right.

1:14:27

-- it's a mix tape. Right.

1:14:29

Like, I had to earn my

1:14:31

next tape. He's saying that you're warm up back on. Yeah. He's Brad Cali Perry, earned Right. My my

1:14:33

father has never helped me get

1:14:35

anything in this in this life.

1:14:38

I had to earn it all myself. No one

1:14:40

knows my father's name. And he

1:14:42

made the mixed tape.

1:14:43

And or he got the mixed

1:14:45

tape. I know

1:14:46

doc. Don't know Glenn. No. It

1:14:48

was it's it's but the

1:14:50

the whole the whole discussion around

1:14:53

this kid's video, though, is I don't know.

1:14:55

It's it's it's because, like, people generally are, like, let the

1:14:57

kids have fun. Who are they hurting? And I'm,

1:15:00

like, yeah. I I must be eighty

1:15:02

years old because

1:15:03

I'm, like, this is this and

1:15:05

say Did you imagine you could watch this and

1:15:07

say that this yeah. This is cool. This is actually good. Imagine you're not playing that team.

1:15:12

Like imagine that look, he makes a layup. He's

1:15:14

doing too small, and he's like, they're not cuss words, obviously, that is same, but it has, like, the implicit

1:15:16

I you

1:15:17

know, it's, like I can't tell

1:15:19

you how many times I

1:15:22

saw people accompanying on this thing that said, they're just gassing each other up. They're not other

1:15:24

team. And I'm like, if

1:15:26

that's not taunting the other team,

1:15:31

If we're are

1:15:31

you serious? Like, what what would it take

1:15:34

to be taunted? If that's not taunted?

1:15:36

I think my favorite part was when the

1:15:38

the big kid first goes to the free

1:15:40

throw line and the the

1:15:42

little kid that hits the three, he, like, didn't see his flank. He hits the flank and then he gets back to him. He taps in to sure

1:15:44

he sees the flank a second

1:15:46

time. One guy said the little kid

1:15:50

had a handful of people saying, but one guy in particular, I

1:15:52

I wish I would've I could call him out by

1:15:54

name, but he said that this is me and

1:15:58

Greg Golden and AIU. He called out to he called out the little white dude as

1:16:00

me and to that guy, I think I

1:16:02

replied to him. But III wanna I wanna

1:16:04

I wanna I wanna I

1:16:06

wanna reply to him again. I

1:16:08

want everyone to know that that white the

1:16:10

white kid flexing -- Uh-huh. -- first of all, great hype man. Mhmm. Kirkcresta loves that kid.

1:16:13

Looking out for his body, get

1:16:15

his body going. You know? But

1:16:18

also, he did have one shot in the

1:16:20

highlight reel. Got the net stuck. Oh, it

1:16:22

wasn't a bet. It was not a

1:16:24

bet. So, like,

1:16:25

then he held it after. So,

1:16:27

I mean, like, you're saying I'm kid, was pretty nice.

1:16:29

He gave me Steve

1:16:32

Blake five. Like, when

1:16:34

I saw that little kid, I was like,

1:16:36

future Steve

1:16:36

Blake, sign them up. Who's filming these kids? Why

1:16:38

is their courtside films at this game? Well,

1:16:41

there there is a there is an extended cut that I saw

1:16:43

at pants to the to the bench, and he was coaching him

1:16:47

as TJs. Is a Yeah. greatest. Yeah. Do you think

1:16:49

TJs is the influence here? Is

1:16:51

that is that the problem, Jim? Partially,

1:16:53

I mean, the NBA. I

1:16:54

don't know if these kids follow or

1:16:57

the NBA. But by the way, TJS. Pulled back the

1:16:59

curtain, let us know that that

1:17:01

one video took him

1:17:02

four hundred sixty times. Right. Yeah.

1:17:06

Did he really?

1:17:07

Yeah. He shows

1:17:08

all the Yeah. We're just throwing some shit to you

1:17:10

guys. Oh

1:17:11

my god. Did he and he shows

1:17:13

all the about the

1:17:13

cuts and everything. And it basically was, like, the whole he was, basically, trying to do motivational video. He's, it's not

1:17:15

lot of people is easy idea. If

1:17:18

you don't

1:17:19

think it's for first time -- Right.

1:17:21

-- I did. I thought I thought every single shot was probably never missed. No. That

1:17:23

was the whole bit that he's never missed. Mhmm. I thought the show first

1:17:26

take was named after t shirt. Right.

1:17:28

Right. First

1:17:30

day jazz. It's not. Oh my god.

1:17:32

Yeah.

1:17:33

Wow. Kids

1:17:33

these days. Well, he yeah. That's why he's

1:17:35

I'm excited I'm excited for the

1:17:38

big kid, number seven. Who wears,

1:17:40

like, Karate headband.

1:17:40

Yeah.

1:17:41

Doing like the

1:17:42

dance dance on him. He's sick. I'm excited for him to opt out of

1:17:44

AAU games. Hey,

1:17:47

yeah. Of

1:17:47

AAU games. No. It's third grade.

1:17:50

He's like, I'm not I I had a big game last game. The scouts are the scouts are high. Okay. I'm opted out.

1:17:56

Right. Sorry. He's, like, future Kenny Lawson junior. That's what I was kidding.

1:17:58

Yeah. That's what I was

1:17:58

I was I was this kid. Like, I'm doing shades. I'm watching

1:18:00

this game, and I'm watching third

1:18:02

graders, and I'm doing shades of

1:18:05

My my official stance on it is I I don't

1:18:07

mind it in the sense that it it's like reality TV

1:18:12

where like, I'm gonna watch and laugh and, like, I

1:18:14

I'm not gonna pretend, like, I'm not gonna clutch my pearls over this, but at the same time, if my

1:18:18

kid did this, I would would prison my bell and start,

1:18:21

you know I I would get old

1:18:23

scrubby Adrian Peterson, like, go

1:18:26

find a twig and

1:18:28

grab your ankles because, you know -- Right. -- this is

1:18:30

this is not how we behave. You're not gonna have my last name and do that out there on a basketball court,

1:18:35

but also someone else's kid does it, I'm like, that's pretty fun. Honestly, if my kid was that wet

1:18:37

though, like as the little steep blake kid, I might

1:18:39

let him get away with some of it.

1:18:41

I'm just like, don't do the

1:18:43

bow and

1:18:44

arrow. I'm I'm

1:18:44

getting it. Like,

1:18:45

there's certain in celebrations out. I like the let's go. Yeah. I I like I don't

1:18:47

like the flex. I'm not a flex. I picture

1:18:49

these these these kids'

1:18:52

dad as Randy Marsh as a father. He's

1:18:54

teaching him the same cassette big balls and, like -- Right. Right. -- this is what their practice is. Right. Right. He's

1:19:00

like, It's like a pageant mom, you know. It's

1:19:02

like the

1:19:02

kids around her dance. And if if the mom's breaking

1:19:04

the baby polar.

1:19:07

Yeah. Yeah.

1:19:08

Yeah. That's pretty barge. Grab

1:19:10

your nuts too. Right. Oh, man. Alright. Moving on. You

1:19:12

were

1:19:12

good for the kids. Number four on

1:19:14

the fraud power rankings, the onion.

1:19:19

You're you're familiar with this news outlet, Tate. The onion, satyrical.

1:19:21

Right. Funny. Funny.

1:19:22

They they what's

1:19:24

what's an onion head Jim, what's

1:19:26

your favorite onion headlight that comes to mind?

1:19:29

I

1:19:29

don't know. Okay. Sorry. You you don't have an Yeah. That's what

1:19:31

is a bug. I caught him off guard. Dan. Do you have what

1:19:33

region? No. You don't. You're not

1:19:35

an onion guy? Oh,

1:19:39

I had I I'm sorry, dude. I had, like, a thousand locked

1:19:41

and loaded for that. Like, I thought

1:19:43

alright. Never mind. Studies

1:19:46

reveal, babies or something. Heartbreaking, worse

1:19:48

man,

1:19:48

you know, just made a great point. Right. You know? That's

1:19:50

the that's

1:19:51

the that's the one. Yeah. Worse person,

1:19:53

you know, made a good

1:19:55

point. Yeah. Anyway, Alright. The onion. I'm

1:19:57

calling the onion out because mike rodak of a l

1:20:00

dot com, Alabama outlet,

1:20:02

tweeted this the other day.

1:20:06

This is a word for word what he said. Nate Olson

1:20:09

told Crimson Tide Sports Network he

1:20:11

spoke to former NFL linebacker Ray

1:20:13

Lewis in the wake of

1:20:15

Darius Miles' arrest. Quote, his daughter went to Alabama

1:20:17

a year and a half ago. He went through a similar situation in Atlanta. He played in the

1:20:20

NFL. He told me what

1:20:22

he thought guys needed to hear.

1:20:25

See, when I tell you, I read this tweet twenty

1:20:27

five times -- Right. -- saying What what am I saying that many times? And you're just reading it to me

1:20:29

blue member? I clicked on the

1:20:31

I clicked on Mike's

1:20:34

profile. And I was like, how was because, you know, in

1:20:36

this in this Elon Musk era of Twitter, it's

1:20:38

like, does the blue check mean anything? Like,

1:20:41

who is this guy? Are we sure that this is

1:20:43

Like, how am I being praying? That I I said that over and over. Like, how there

1:20:45

there's no way this is true. Who wrote this? Yeah. I

1:20:47

was like, the onion is obviously

1:20:49

fraudulent because microdotk of a

1:20:51

l dot com is writing

1:20:53

better Taking their lane. Yeah. He's taking their lane. He's writing funnier tweets than than the onion

1:20:56

possibly dream

1:21:00

up. As it turns out, this is not

1:21:02

a joke when this happened. This really happened. For those who missed it,

1:21:04

by the way, Darius Miles

1:21:06

was was a was a basketball

1:21:09

player on Alabama was recently arrested for capital murders, what

1:21:11

he's being charged with. Right. He's he's since been

1:21:13

kicked off the team. NATO is

1:21:16

for for

1:21:18

from my perspective, handled it as well, like, you know

1:21:21

Yeah. Immediately, he's he's gone. Like, this

1:21:23

is heinous. We

1:21:24

we do not obviously can you

1:21:26

know, like, any reasonable mind would have observed this and said, what

1:21:28

else could NATO have done? You know? You know,

1:21:30

if you wanna nitpick, you'd be like, why would

1:21:33

he bring a guy of that character into

1:21:35

the program? But, you know, it's you

1:21:37

just never know with guys. You know you

1:21:39

know. So I thought they handled it well. It's kind of irrelevant to college basketball

1:21:42

at this point. Let know,

1:21:45

like, there he's never gonna play basketball

1:21:47

again. He might never never step outside of a jail cell again. Who knows? That's not our domain. Push it

1:21:49

over there. NATO's handled it.

1:21:51

Let's move on. You

1:21:54

know, let's let's celebrate this Alabama team

1:21:56

for what they are -- Right. -- as

1:21:58

we move forward in the season. And

1:22:01

then I see this tape. And What?

1:22:04

You brought Ray Lewis in, and then the

1:22:06

quote is, he went through a similar situation

1:22:10

in Atlanta. What

1:22:10

what what's the similar situation? I have no

1:22:12

idea. Killing a guy?

1:22:13

I Is that what you say? Like, you

1:22:16

went through I

1:22:18

I don't know how that story came out. I know how. I mean, if that was what like, if was the resource,

1:22:20

just leave that

1:22:23

behind. Can you imagine

1:22:26

being in that that your your your nados

1:22:29

and you can you can call anybody

1:22:31

in the world to

1:22:33

talk to your team

1:22:34

because I I I'm sure the team is a little there's a rattled by

1:22:37

this. This would be this this would

1:22:39

qualify as adversity, I would say, for

1:22:41

a basketball team. That was a

1:22:43

little one of your teammates has done this and

1:22:45

and, you know, you have to now move forward and and

1:22:47

all that sort of thing. I I could see

1:22:49

the value in bringing someone in to

1:22:51

talk to the team. Ray

1:22:54

Lewis? I don't know. I

1:22:56

don't know. We

1:22:57

can move on. Dion, you missed this.

1:23:00

Dion, you missed your moment. Talk

1:23:02

to

1:23:02

Tebow.

1:23:02

Could've talked to Tebow.

1:23:03

I was him You could've

1:23:06

talked to Tabo.

1:23:08

Yeah. Nextiva is, like, Nextiva is,

1:23:10

like, listen guys, I played with nothing but scumbags in Florida. And here's how we did it. Yeah.

1:23:12

And I won. I won.

1:23:14

Right. So we did

1:23:16

it. Brandon

1:23:18

Miller,

1:23:18

though. Thirty and ten in that game.

1:23:20

Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know.

1:23:23

I

1:23:23

don't know. I don't know. Maybe it was a

1:23:25

good speed. Seriously. What the hell? It's like such

1:23:27

like AIII feel like it

1:23:29

a list of, like, the worst

1:23:31

people. Right. It feels that the New York

1:23:33

Post responded to that and was like,

1:23:35

can we credit this? We credit you guys and

1:23:37

use this? You know, this is too good to pass up. Oh my

1:23:39

god. I don't know, dude.

1:23:40

I I had I mean,

1:23:42

I didn't really wanna talk about

1:23:45

all, but at the same

1:23:46

time, like, that

1:23:47

that It's actually in the face. That entered the so bizarre realm that I felt like

1:23:49

you don't That's what the show

1:23:51

is for. Right. Bazaar shit

1:23:54

happening in college basketball, and that certainly

1:23:56

qualifies. So there we go. Number three,

1:23:58

on the power rankings this

1:24:01

week, tobacco road public schools. Including

1:24:03

your University of North Carolina at Chapel

1:24:05

Hill, Tar Heels. Because John Wall,

1:24:07

on the O'Penson's podcast,

1:24:09

as you referenced earlier, Said the following,

1:24:12

quote, I wanted to go to

1:24:14

Carolina. That's my dream school. John

1:24:16

Wall, a kid from Raleigh, North

1:24:18

Carolina, number one recruit in the

1:24:20

country, Wanted to go to North

1:24:22

Carolina. How did did not Dream school. Dream school. No. It's a done deal. I don't know

1:24:24

if you use

1:24:27

those

1:24:27

words, but

1:24:28

No offer. No no offer. But it was

1:24:30

a done deal. Done deal. But Tyler Hansbury ruined everything. As you said,

1:24:32

quote, I don't talk to recruits according to

1:24:34

John Wall. That's what John Wall said.

1:24:38

And then after that, John Wall said, I

1:24:40

ain't coming here. That's it. That's all it took. He said

1:24:42

Tyler Ginsburg was a hero in his. How much do you

1:24:44

believe that? That John Wall growing up in Raleigh was

1:24:46

like, this guy is This guy is a hero. This guy is a guy. I mean,

1:24:48

there is

1:24:49

something to be said that Tyler Hanover was

1:24:51

a god amongst men.

1:24:53

One of my favorite meme pictures is the Michigan State team when they

1:24:56

see Towerhands, bro. You know that picture where they're

1:24:58

all, like, like, they're, like, you know, they they

1:25:00

just saw Paul Bonion, they're bigfoot. You

1:25:02

know, they're like, what in hell? This guy's

1:25:04

unbelievable. That is how

1:25:06

Tyler Hanover was looked at, obviously. I mean, he was famously or famously pulled an escalade

1:25:08

down Franklin Street on

1:25:10

his back. Everyone remembers that.

1:25:14

Great times. So he was

1:25:17

a god. John Wall, for the

1:25:19

people at home, John Wall,

1:25:21

every Carolina fan wanted

1:25:23

John Wall. Of course, Of course, who

1:25:25

doesn't want John Wall. Everyone knew John Wall. But John

1:25:27

Wall, like you said, was from Raleigh. John Wall

1:25:31

had a burglar like, you had a robbery, you're breaking

1:25:33

and entering charge that that was, like, the reason why Duke stayed

1:25:35

away. That was coach k at the time. It's like it's

1:25:37

like we don't

1:25:38

mess with

1:25:39

the caliber k to this. North

1:25:41

Carolina was like, well, we'll see. We'll wait and see. What happens

1:25:43

here? What do I steal? We're we're

1:25:46

I don't

1:25:47

realize things. So he didn't steal anything. He just,

1:25:50

like, wouldn't do it in abandoned house. You know, it wasn't even didn't get charged with anything. Did the key work?

1:25:52

I think he just

1:25:55

I don't know what I don't know

1:25:57

what happened. I don't know what happened. I put my hands up. I don't know what

1:25:59

happened. But I do know that it affected the recruitment because it was all this like can you

1:26:03

or can't you But meanwhile, while everyone of the tobacco road triangle of trust

1:26:05

with the Incy State North Carolina Duke

1:26:07

trying to figure out

1:26:09

if we can recruit the guy, John Caliperia is at

1:26:11

Memphis. John Caliperia just had Derek Rose.

1:26:14

John Caliperia is like, I don't

1:26:16

care who he knows, what he's done,

1:26:18

whatever can he go one four

1:26:20

flat? I'm like, I've

1:26:22

seen this man go one more Yes. He gets offer. He's out of the But then,

1:26:24

like he mentioned, his mom, that

1:26:26

all kind of came up again.

1:26:30

But that's

1:26:31

why it's staying close to home, then there were more rumblings.

1:26:33

Like I said, that, like, maybe Carolina

1:26:35

gets involved. Maybe there's

1:26:37

a scholarship that comes in play. But at the same

1:26:39

time, his AAU coach and his mentor hated Roy Williams. And that

1:26:41

was a it was a big But it's it's got

1:26:43

you. That's why I said the

1:26:46

public schools. It's not just Carolina, the drug -- Mhmm.

1:26:48

-- the the ball here. It's North Carolina

1:26:50

state as well because

1:26:51

Well, they had a chance. He

1:26:53

said, no. That's not true. Well, John Wall What

1:26:55

he said? John Wall said that his mom got

1:26:57

an aneurysm and he wanted to stay close to

1:26:59

home -- Right. -- because

1:27:01

his mom he was worried about her health.

1:27:03

He's from Raleigh. Mhmm. There is a Division one school,

1:27:05

an ACC school, a Power Conference School.

1:27:07

National championship. National multiple

1:27:10

time

1:27:11

national championship program, in Raleigh --

1:27:13

Yes. -- hometown. Yes. You wanna stay close to home? Mhmm. You wanna stay close to home? That's the

1:27:15

answer. Right? Go

1:27:17

to Inchstate. No.

1:27:20

He said, basically, NC was

1:27:22

too close to home. So NC State, I'm also putting on the fraud power in case because

1:27:24

you're too you're too convenient for John Wall. Mhmm.

1:27:26

It was it made too much sense. Yeah.