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With a compelling perspective on global

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welcome back to the budget getting

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Son show wherever you are in

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the world. I'm Basil Valentine sitting

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in perpetuating Today Wednesday, the twenty

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Fourth of April, Twenty Twenty Four

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What a great conversation with Robin.

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You know I'm and in that

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first hour. and in case you

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missed it, that brave so is

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in and is Turnbull waiting to

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join the Freedom Flotilla coalition and

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sale with five and a half

0:37

thousand tons of humanitarian aid to

0:39

Gaza. Strongly. Recommend listening to

0:42

that particularly erudite and

0:44

eloquent gentleman. Sometimes.

0:47

It seems like you only

0:49

get bad news, and I'm

0:51

afraid today is one of

0:53

those days. Certainly on the

0:56

home front, the diminutive soon

0:58

to be ousted Prime Minister

1:00

of Great Britain, the on

1:02

a let data Rishi soon

1:04

as has been in Germany

1:07

alongside his equally inadequate counterpart.

1:09

Olaf Scholz. They held a joint

1:12

press conference at which they beat

1:14

the drums for war. Suit.

1:16

And said he will not

1:19

shy away from further public

1:21

spending cuts in other words,

1:23

spending on things like roads,

1:26

hospitals, schools, street lighting, A.

1:29

Disability Benefits. Things.

1:31

That might actually benefit the people of Britain.

1:34

But he's not going to shy away from cutting them

1:36

in order to boost. Military. Spending.

1:39

As he faced questions over how the

1:41

policy is going to be funded, the

1:44

Prime minister is now committed to spending

1:46

two and a half percent. Of

1:49

the United Kingdom's gross domestic

1:51

product on defense by twenty

1:54

thirty, that's an increase of

1:56

more than seventy five billion

1:59

pounds. over the next

2:01

six years compared with current levels.

2:04

However, economists are saying,

2:06

where are they going to find the money? Worth

2:09

remembering as well, that increased

2:11

defense expenditure only ever has

2:14

a detrimental effect on the economy as

2:16

well as standards

2:18

of public life. Money

2:21

spent on defense contractors often

2:24

oversees only a tiny

2:26

proportion of it is recycled into

2:28

what economists call

2:30

the multiplier effect, whereby

2:32

people in receipt of the

2:34

money spend it on other

2:37

goods and services. And similarly,

2:40

so do they. And we

2:43

end up with a

2:45

growing economy, but expenditure

2:47

on so-called defense,

2:50

not quite sure who we're supposed to

2:52

be defending ourselves against the Russian bear,

2:54

no doubt, is one of

2:56

the least effective ways of doing so all

2:59

this on the day when

3:02

the United Kingdom was accused by

3:04

Amnesty International of deliberately destabilizing human

3:06

rights globally. So in other words,

3:09

Sura has decided he wants to spend more

3:11

money on weaponry so

3:13

that we can continue to

3:15

destabilize human rights around the

3:17

world. That seems like an

3:19

excellent place to bring in my next guest,

3:21

Tony Gosling, who is

3:24

a very terrible expert on

3:26

all things military, as well

3:28

as all things United Kingdom

3:30

government. Welcome to the program,

3:32

Tony. Thanks very much,

3:34

Basil. I mean, I do see psychological

3:37

warfare as a key thing for any

3:39

journalist to get their head round and

3:41

understand. I mean, I wouldn't pretend to

3:44

be an expert on battlefield, but I

3:46

think one of the things I've realized

3:49

over the years is you've got to

3:51

watch very, very carefully information coming from

3:53

all sides In order

3:55

to assess what's really going on. And I

3:57

See a tremendous amount of... The

4:00

propaganda gurgles style stuff coming from

4:02

the were specifically about Gaza. And

4:04

once you realize that they're lying

4:06

to you about one thing in

4:08

a you start to realize. You

4:11

can't trust him or or about anything

4:13

and me sooner. This Pm guy. He's

4:15

quite clearly a crash and burn character.

4:17

He's he's not gonna be there and

4:19

prove six months time is is pretty

4:21

much maybe eight months if you'll be

4:23

gone. And so they're doing exactly the

4:26

same as he doing with our Mayor

4:28

here in Bristol in the Uk. Which

4:30

he start at for example, our

4:33

marriage passing through all sorts of

4:35

disgusting horrendous planning commission for these

4:37

Big Fat Cat developers before he

4:39

goes because he knows these not

4:41

standing and he's a bit of

4:43

a loser site thus the stasis

4:45

others. Anyway, back to the the

4:47

soil. Ah as in a

4:49

is interesting. Last week we have this

4:51

announcement by sooner about cutting benefits for

4:53

the are unemployed if that's what he

4:56

was talking about even though he didn't

4:58

admit to it was the benefits of

5:00

being played paid to that employed must

5:02

have the benefits the now paid to

5:05

people who were in work but he

5:07

wants to cut those as well. Idea

5:09

is trying to say that services and

5:11

is that is this will be an

5:14

incentive for people to go to work.

5:16

So I'm basically our economies of filing.

5:18

As you know in the west the

5:20

Chinese have done extremely well. I buy

5:23

a simple fact that they cost of

5:25

living in showing there is so much

5:27

less. I don't have to pay their

5:29

workers anywhere near as much because they

5:32

not paying much for their accommodation. that

5:34

energy that transport all these things are

5:36

in the hands of the the Chinese

5:38

government who am I seeing making the

5:41

infrastructure available pretty much at cost to

5:43

the public and to or manufacturers And

5:45

so we've got a failed model in

5:47

an economic. Model at it through too

5:50

much privatization of our infrastructure in the

5:52

west. and so he says he signed

5:54

with Taking this money away from these

5:56

people. We've got supple, otherwise they'll be

5:58

out on the streets. I'm

6:00

giving it to what is it the

6:03

defense budget so he isis or price

6:05

of Goldman Sachs the build a burgers

6:07

who govern sexual very very close with

6:09

and soon x former employee was Goldman

6:11

Sachs and this is the deep state

6:14

in or this is one time that

6:16

miss expressing occasionally also need to soon

6:18

I can self was asked about it

6:20

a couple of weeks go are really

6:23

running the show soon I will do

6:25

anything they say and everything they say

6:27

is these ethically and sell it to

6:29

the proper. Like a at all

6:31

the austen broken down Austin van

6:34

a used car salesman and thus

6:36

the chronic character uses trust settle

6:38

this stuff to the public and

6:40

people believing it less and less.

6:44

When. Don't live in a

6:46

democracy As you know, Tony, We

6:48

live in an oligarchy, or perhaps

6:50

even a plutocracy. Soon

6:53

as he's worth about five hundred

6:55

and seventy million pounds house and

6:57

he possibly know what is lines

7:00

and live on benefits or even

7:02

on an ordinary wage of twenty

7:04

thirty forty thousand pounds a year

7:06

were you handsomely have to budgets

7:08

to make sense Minutes I think

7:10

it's a. Damning

7:13

indictment of our political system. the

7:15

without even going to the country's

7:17

a general election and the conservative

7:20

parties and install of it he

7:22

was crowned effectively after the downfall

7:25

of this trust somebody who doesn't

7:27

have no objections to somebody having

7:29

that much money but not if

7:32

they're gonna pontificated to the rest

7:34

of us about what we should

7:36

do with what little we have.

7:40

Well. yeah we've had wealthy leaders in

7:42

the past but there's a difference between

7:44

someone who doesn't care about the population

7:46

this post a servant and someone that

7:49

doesn't and seen as is clearly somebody

7:51

whose eyes on his next job so

7:53

yeah i mean i'm family what we're

7:56

going to get it of course as

7:58

a result of all this is

8:00

almost certainly Keir Starmer to be the political

8:02

leader. I mean, I heard from an insider,

8:06

this is probably 18 months ago now,

8:09

someone who works for the civil servants

8:11

trade union, that they were convinced that

8:13

the Conservatives didn't want to win the

8:15

next general election. So Sunak is the

8:18

perfect person. I mean, I don't know,

8:20

we could even speculate about why that

8:22

might be economic troubles, war,

8:24

that sort of thing ahead. But

8:27

Keir Starmer is quite clearly going

8:29

to be most likely candidates to

8:31

be taking over. So this will

8:33

be a kind of coronation, you

8:35

know, it is medieval style stuff.

8:37

But look, in the positive side,

8:41

I do think that a lot of the policies,

8:43

like this benefits policy, they're trying to push through

8:45

are going

8:47

to fail. I don't think they're going to be able to

8:50

do these kinds of changes to

8:52

the system, which will leave so

8:54

many people being evicted from their

8:56

homes, destitute, still going to work.

8:59

And they've created a system where work is no longer

9:01

a route out of poverty. So

9:04

what quite where we're heading is

9:06

difficult to know. But I think

9:08

the political that the belief in

9:10

our political classes has its

9:12

own way of working its way through the system

9:15

to make a bit of a correction

9:18

or a reset. Because people

9:20

just simply don't believe what they're being told.

9:22

And so you can have a policy, you

9:24

can promulgate it all you want, a

9:27

bit like trying to send the commandos as they

9:29

did try to do to Afghanistan, they just refuse

9:31

to go. And so I

9:33

think, to a large extent, a lot of

9:35

civil society in Britain is just going to

9:37

simply fail to comply with a lot of

9:39

the legislation, they're trying to push

9:42

something like this Rwanda business to try and

9:44

stop the migrants is a total joke. It's

9:46

never going to work. It never was going

9:48

to work. And the idea, it

9:50

seems to me, ultimate idea is to discredit

9:52

the democratic political system to

9:55

bring in a fascist system. That's what I think they

9:57

want to try and do. And we're in that kind

9:59

of situation. situation anyway with these big

10:01

mega corporations like Tesco's and Shell

10:04

all making these record profits through

10:06

price fixing because there is no

10:08

regulation. We are living

10:11

in a country now which is pretty

10:13

much run by these

10:15

global corporations anyway. So in a

10:17

way it doesn't all make much

10:19

difference. It would have been

10:21

of course a big difference if somebody like Jeremy Corbyn

10:23

had got in. I don't think

10:25

he was a particularly good leader in terms

10:27

of his

10:30

wisdom as to how to run a political party

10:32

or run a country. He seemed

10:34

to be unable to really

10:37

confront people who were his deepest

10:39

enemies. But of course it would

10:41

have been a serious challenge to

10:43

these big corporations and

10:45

to the sort of fascist

10:48

system that they are slowly

10:50

but surely getting used to.

10:52

And I don't use this

10:54

word fascist in a trivial

10:56

manner or flippantly because I

11:00

see this all around me that the policies

11:02

that are coming through have got really nothing

11:04

to do with the will of the people.

11:06

They are just simply what

11:09

corporate bosses and the financial leaders

11:11

are deciding well we want this

11:13

policy, we want that policy and

11:15

it's pushed through regardless. Indeed

11:18

that's been the case for 45 years since

11:21

the end of the Callahan government in 1979

11:25

and the death of the social contract as

11:28

far as I'm concerned. 45 years of stagnant living standards

11:32

and total disregard for

11:34

the wishes of interests of ordinary

11:36

people when there was a referendum

11:38

of course on Brexit. It

11:41

voted, it went the way it

11:44

did and in such large numbers because so

11:46

many people felt that they were unheard. And

11:48

we now have a situation where we have

11:50

two avowedly, unapologetically

11:54

pro-genocide, war

11:56

mongering, Zionist, neoliberal,

12:00

authoritarian parties with

12:03

barely a cigarette paper between the two.

12:05

I mean, the Labour Party, since

12:09

Corbyn was deposed, has

12:12

moved so far to the right,

12:14

but not in a good way,

12:16

not in terms of the libertarian

12:18

free market right, not

12:20

in terms of restoring the great

12:23

traditions and privileges of the

12:25

people of Great Britain, no,

12:27

in an insidious neo

12:30

con authoritarian right.

12:33

Am I right, Tony? Yeah,

12:36

of course you are. This

12:40

time, the

12:43

key text on this is by Michael Hudson, I

12:45

think, to actually understand what's really going on in

12:47

the world. You have to

12:49

look, I mean, and this is literally, you've

12:52

got two different economic systems at war in

12:54

Ukraine. You've got a

12:56

Western system, which is finance

12:59

capitalism, which means that money can buy

13:01

up political parties, it can buy up

13:03

TV stations, it can buy up anything

13:05

that an oligarch finds irksome.

13:11

And on the other side of

13:13

the coin in Russia and in

13:15

China and the other places, Iran

13:17

as well, you have a government

13:19

that understands that it must keep

13:21

its hands on these infrastructure and

13:23

also it must quite strictly regulate

13:25

the tools of power like the

13:27

political system and

13:31

particularly the mass media. And

13:34

so what Michael Hudson talks, I

13:36

think, in his book is industrial

13:40

capitalism, finance capitalism, or

13:43

socialism is the title of

13:45

it. He just talks you through the history

13:47

of this clash between different ways of doing

13:49

things. And what's happened really in the West

13:51

is the financial oligarchy have taken control of

13:54

the levers of power. I would I mean,

13:56

I've done a lot of research over the

13:58

years, I've done loads of investigations. I've

14:00

just been carrying on doing my

14:02

investigation and confirming really the

14:04

evidence that I've dug up over the

14:07

years about the murder

14:09

of the TV crime

14:11

watch presenter Jill Dando here in Britain

14:14

back in 1999. I

14:17

want to come back to that Tony. I

14:20

want to hear all about that. Sure.

14:23

But the main one of the main topics

14:25

I've looked into over the years is

14:28

the the fourth Reich.

14:31

So we all know about the third Reich in

14:33

Hitler. But I came across this guy, Idris Francis,

14:35

who was a member of UKIP. Then

14:38

he got disillusioned with them at the right

14:40

minute and joined the Brexit party. But he

14:42

passed away soon after. But

14:44

Idris, his uncle, had been

14:46

escorting Nazi war criminals during

14:49

the during the

14:51

Nuremberg trials. And one of

14:53

these Nazis turned to him and

14:55

said, yes, you have beaten us for the

14:57

second time. But next time we will win.

15:00

And you won't know what's happening until it's all

15:02

over. So this was a

15:04

cheeky Nazi at Nuremberg chatting to I think

15:07

he was a captain in the signals

15:09

or the intelligence corps. His

15:11

uncle was and he said this passed down through

15:14

the family. And he'd always been being a bit

15:16

of an anti EU campaigner because

15:18

he has many other people noted

15:20

that in 1941 Walter Funk

15:24

from the Reichsbank and the and

15:26

Hitler's government put together

15:29

a plan for the economic

15:31

management of an occupied Europe

15:34

occupied by the SS and by

15:36

the Wehrmacht. And

15:38

as it was at that point being

15:40

occupied, so they had to have a

15:43

plan to manage it. And this was

15:45

called the Eilr patient Wirrtschaft germannshal plan,

15:48

which is basically the European Economic

15:50

Community Plan. And it was a

15:52

plan that which was resurrected after the war. And

15:55

so what we got with the proceeds

15:57

of the Nazi loot, which was laundered

16:00

through Sullivan and Cromwell, the

16:02

Dulles Brothers law firm in

16:04

New York City after the war

16:07

was a financial empire. This

16:10

money that that come through

16:12

Switzerland mainly and Argentina was

16:15

just invested into big corporations

16:19

by the Nazis after the

16:21

war, many of whom

16:23

are in South America and many of whom

16:25

are in the United

16:27

States as well. But

16:29

the key thing to understand about this was

16:31

that they put Jews in charge of these

16:34

businesses in order to disguise the fact

16:36

that it was Nazi money. In fact, some of

16:38

them may not have known where this law of

16:40

money had come from or cared if you're asked

16:42

to run a business, you don't necessarily say, well,

16:44

where is all this money come from? You just

16:46

get on and run it. But

16:48

that was the idea. I

16:51

want to talk more about the fourth, right?

16:53

I want to talk about the Ukrainian right

16:56

and Dimitro Kolyba declaring today that

16:58

the era of peace in Europe

17:00

is over. But first, we're

17:02

going to take a short break with the

17:04

network. We'll be right back with Tony Gosling.

17:06

Fascinating conversation as always. P

17:09

and T's David Curtin. Rishi Sunak has

17:11

been threatening that he will do this

17:13

and say, oh, we'll do this. We'll

17:15

come out. We'll come out. We'll come

17:17

out of the ECHR. That is not

17:19

anything else. But he hasn't

17:21

done so. And then he say,

17:23

well, if we're elected in

17:26

the general election this year, which

17:28

is highly unlikely, then we may

17:30

come out and we may give

17:32

notice to come out if

17:35

we're reelected in 2024, 2025. By that time,

17:37

another year or two years will have

17:39

passed and another

17:46

hundred thousand or so military

17:48

age men will have crossed

17:50

the channel in small boats

17:52

with not a single flight

17:54

taking off to take some

17:56

bogus asylum seekers to Rwanda.

17:58

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19:02

welcome back to The Patrick Henningsen Show with me,

19:04

Basil Valentine. In for Patrick today, Wednesday the 24th

19:06

of April, 2024. Some

19:11

years ago, I went with Patrick

19:13

to talk by the late author

19:16

Gerard Williams about his newly

19:18

published book called Grey Wolf, which

19:21

documents the flight of Adolf Hitler

19:24

from the bunker in Berlin in 1945

19:26

all the way down to Argentina. Gerard

19:31

then appeared in the History

19:33

Channel TV series Hunting Hitler

19:36

and various other documentaries which

19:38

purports to say that Adolf

19:41

did indeed escape the bunker

19:44

and lived in exile in Argentina

19:46

until the early 1960s. Apparently,

19:50

he was deluded enough into thinking that

19:52

he might make some sort of return

19:54

to power but was kept out of

19:56

the limelight by Martin Borman, who

19:59

ran the Fourth Reich from an

20:01

office in Buenos Aires. There

20:04

is no better person to ask about

20:07

these kind of scourless rumours that undermine

20:09

everything we were taught in school about

20:12

20th century history than my

20:14

guest this evening, Tony Gosling. Tony,

20:16

did Hitler die in Argentina in 1964?

20:21

No, he died in Berlin in

20:23

1945. In fact, the Russians filmed

20:26

his body, his burnt body outside

20:28

the Reich. Well, they said that

20:30

wasn't him. Well,

20:32

they would do, wouldn't they? Look, the guy was

20:35

extremely ill by that

20:37

point in the war. He'd been on

20:39

cocaine related drugs for many, many

20:41

months by that point. And he

20:43

was shaking. He was in pieces.

20:46

And the idea that he would try to

20:48

survive, I don't think he

20:51

was that sort of person. He wanted to die in

20:53

the flames of Berlin. But the interesting

20:56

thing about this, this

20:59

whole myth of Hitler surviving

21:01

was that it started in

21:04

the late 1990s, around

21:06

about the same time as this book,

21:08

Op JB was published by

21:11

Christopher Crichton, which

21:13

talked about Martin Borman surviving the war. Now,

21:15

the thing is, for many, I mean, this

21:17

is this is quite a while, isn't it?

21:19

It's 50 years or so, the 90s

21:22

after the end of the Second World War, many

21:24

people who were in the know about what had

21:26

really happened in the bunker, and who got out

21:28

and who didn't was sort of

21:30

dead by that point, pretty much. I mean, most

21:32

of them were anyway. And

21:34

so Christopher Crichton, his real

21:36

name was John Ainsworth Davis, he was a

21:38

spy from Winston Churchill. Throughout

21:41

the war, in fact, the book Op JB

21:43

is such a rip roaring read, but any

21:45

of your copy

21:48

of it, you'll find it's almost impossible

21:50

to put down. He talks, for example,

21:53

about John

21:55

Ainsworth Davis talks about his role

21:59

in Pearl Harbor. So there was a

22:01

Dutch submarine that had spotted a Japanese

22:03

fleet and radioed through saying, hang

22:06

on, there's a massive Japanese fleet heading

22:08

for Hawaii. And so

22:10

this was round about Christmas time.

22:13

He turned up with to that, see

22:15

that submarine round about the time of

22:18

Pearl Harbor, just after, and

22:20

they gave them a load of Christmas presents.

22:22

But actually, there weren't Christmas presents. They were

22:24

explosives and poison gas in there that killed

22:26

all the people on that submarine because they

22:28

didn't want anybody to survive. But

22:32

particularly during the war, to tell

22:34

the story that they knew and

22:36

they told the Americans that the

22:38

Japanese fleet was coming, and that

22:40

Pearl Harbor was not a surprise

22:43

attack. So there's loads of stuff

22:45

in this book, including the operation

22:47

and support the Irish Free

22:49

State was giving to

22:52

Nazi submarines refueling on the west

22:54

coast of Ireland, for example. But

22:57

but he he went over to over

23:00

to Berlin. And

23:04

this is John Ainsworth Davis, right at the end of

23:06

the war, in a crew

23:08

of commandos trained down at

23:10

Burdam, which is near Haling Island

23:12

with the commandos with

23:15

it led by Ian Fleming. And Fleming came

23:17

out just after us, of course, people know

23:19

the Bond novel author

23:21

was also a officer

23:24

in naval intelligence. And he was extremely

23:27

good officer, apparently. So he took all

23:29

these commandos into Berlin. And just before

23:31

the end of the war, a few

23:34

days before Fleming was brought out

23:36

and John Ainsworth Davis and the

23:38

other commandos brought Borman out from

23:40

Berlin. This was all pre

23:42

arranged because Borman have been working with British intelligence

23:44

towards the end of the Second World War. And

23:48

they were brought along through canals

23:50

through Berlin over space of about

23:52

three days under

23:55

the notions of the Russians into the British sector. Now

23:57

you might say to me, well, of course, the Russians

23:59

are not to allow a load of

24:01

British commandos just to go sort of swanning

24:03

around, they're going to be challenged. And they

24:05

were challenged several times by the Russians, but

24:07

they had a, I

24:11

think her name was Breibanov, who was

24:14

part Russian English, British officer,

24:16

and she had a

24:19

Russian uniform and spoke fluent Russian. So every

24:21

time they would challenge, she would shout at

24:23

them, we are we are pursuing Nazi war

24:25

criminals, I have a direct orders from Marshall

24:27

Zukov. And if you dare stand

24:30

in our way, you'll be court marshals and shot.

24:32

Yeah, so this is the way that they the

24:34

British managed to get Borman out through this route.

24:38

And Andy was handed a place called near

24:40

Verbon in in the British sector was handed

24:42

over to to Desmond

24:45

Morton, who was who was

24:48

Winston Churchill's private secretary. This

24:51

is the way things are done. And in the book he

24:53

talks about, for example, going to

24:55

visit Morton in White Hall.

24:59

And there was a movement behind he turns

25:01

around, it's the king sitting in there, George

25:03

the six. So this was all arranged this

25:06

specific section of MI six was

25:08

all arranged and funded through the

25:10

royal family during the Second World

25:12

War. And this

25:14

is I think, to me is the one of the most

25:16

important books that explain what happened. In

25:19

fact, in his pocket, Borman had adult

25:22

fitness last within testament. And, you know, from

25:24

my point of view, looking at this whole

25:26

story, I would suggest Borman may have been

25:28

the one who shot adult fitness, because they

25:31

didn't want to leave any thing

25:33

to chance he may have committed suicide, he may not.

25:36

But but you know, I would imagine that

25:38

the Borman was under orders to to shoot

25:41

Hitler to make sure he didn't survive. So

25:43

the point is, anyway, he makes it to

25:45

the UK, through Desmond Morton, there's loads of

25:47

embarrassment in Britain, because the Russians are coming

25:49

to visit, and they're going to have a

25:51

load of their KGB people after

25:54

the war in the early 1950s. And

25:57

so Borman was not allowed to be in Britain

25:59

at that point. by which time

26:02

another book picks up the story, which was

26:04

actually published 10 years or so before the

26:06

one I just mentioned, op jb, which is

26:09

Martin Bormann Nazi in exile by Paul

26:11

Manning. Now, Manning was no

26:13

just nobody. He was a CBS

26:15

his main correspondent in Europe during

26:18

World War Two. So anybody

26:20

in the United States listening to the

26:22

radio commentary about what was happening with

26:24

the war in Europe would have heard

26:26

his voice, telling them what

26:28

was going on. He was doing things

26:30

like going on daylight bombing raids with

26:32

the US Air Force over Nazi Germany,

26:35

coming back and giving his reports. But

26:37

his book explains that Bormann was a

26:39

bureaucrat who was taking this laundered money

26:42

and setting up all these businesses. And

26:44

to cap it all, there

26:46

was a Hungarian called Ladislas

26:49

Farrago, who was chasing these

26:51

Nazi war criminals. I mean, one of

26:53

the interesting questions in all of this

26:55

is why weren't the Israelis at this

26:57

point chasing these people? I can explain that too,

27:00

if you want. But Ladislas Farrago was in

27:02

Buenos Aires and he got a couple of shots

27:04

of Bormann in Buenos

27:07

Aires in the early 1970s. So this is

27:09

40, 50, 60, 30 years or so after the war. And

27:15

Bormann was Hitler's deputy

27:17

and Hitler's private secretary was

27:19

born in 1900. So

27:24

that's why I think we

27:26

can be pretty sure. He

27:28

was also, he said anyway, the photographs

27:30

of Bormann from Ladislas Farrago were

27:32

published in the Daily Express one

27:34

Saturday in 1972, front

27:37

page, Martin Bormann is alive. And

27:40

then there was all sorts of things to

27:42

try and cover this up. Oh, we've discovered

27:45

his body, we've discovered his skull in Berlin.

27:49

And then of course, when this book final

27:51

book was published by John Ainsworth Davis, he was

27:53

the key person who got Bormann out. So

27:56

all this nonsense I would say about

27:58

Hitler's some... surviving,

28:01

started to be published and gain currency. So

28:03

this is, I think, very Orwellian, it's an

28:05

attempt to, you know, control history, he who

28:07

controls the past, controls the future,

28:10

he controls the present controls the past,

28:12

this kind of thing going on, and

28:14

all sorts of people put

28:16

up to this. As even the

28:18

very first person who wrote about the

28:20

Hitler bunker, Hugh Trevor Roper from MI6,

28:22

published a book, I think it was

28:24

1946 or 47 about what had happened.

28:26

There was lots of lies in that.

28:29

I recently, you know, discovered, I think

28:31

it's Mark Felton, he does some very

28:33

good YouTube military investigations. He's

28:35

dug up a terrific recent story,

28:37

which is about Bournemouth secretary, and

28:40

how she ended up marrying

28:42

someone from British intelligence and hiding the

28:44

rest of her life up

28:47

in the Wirral near Liverpool, and then

28:49

moving latterly to Cambridge. So she was

28:51

just pretending to be an ordinary housewife,

28:53

where actually she'd been Martin Bournemouth's private

28:55

secretary right the way through the war.

29:00

And I'm

29:02

going to stop you there to redirect to

29:04

the present. The Fourth Reich,

29:07

some people say it's the European Union. Of course,

29:10

it's also this network of companies

29:13

that Bournemouth set up, I agree with you about

29:16

that. The European Union was

29:18

supposed to be the bulwark against

29:20

any future wars in Europe. And

29:24

yet today, Ukraine's foreign minister

29:26

has enthusiastically praised US politicians

29:29

for approving the $61 billion

29:31

military aid package and

29:34

declared that the era of peace

29:36

in Europe is over.

29:39

This is unfortunately being

29:42

echoed by half wits

29:44

like Hamish to Bretton Gordon,

29:47

and various other idiotic

29:49

talking heads in

29:51

the British media. Please

29:54

try and make sense of who on

29:56

earth is calling for war in Europe.

30:00

Well, NATO is calling for

30:02

war in Europe, NATO and

30:06

the EU and the United

30:08

States, because this is

30:10

there. I mean, I think we can

30:12

just see the parallels between the Nazis

30:15

and the Russians when it comes to

30:17

the Soviet Union. Anyway, before World War

30:19

II, a lot of

30:21

the effort for the Nazi war machine was

30:23

thrown at Russia. If you go

30:26

back even further, you can see Napoleon tried

30:28

to destroy Russia. What we've

30:30

got here is an obsession

30:32

with taking down the Russian

30:34

system, and

30:37

particularly the Russian

30:39

mentality. Russia

30:42

itself, as I said, is a

30:44

very strong political system. There's

30:46

lots of gangsterism in the country, but

30:48

Putin is absolutely clear. I am

30:51

number one gangster. And in fact, he

30:53

realizes he could be assassinated at any

30:55

time. So he's set up a very

30:57

genuine system whereby whoever replaces him will

30:59

also be a protector of the Russian

31:02

people and a protector of the Kremlin.

31:04

Now, I mean, our own leaders don't really

31:06

seem to be very interested in protecting their

31:09

own people, just in trying to take out

31:11

the opposition. And

31:14

the way that they took down RT,

31:16

I thought was particularly disgusting and disappointing.

31:19

They've done, of course, the same with

31:21

press TV to make sure these Russian views

31:23

are not heard. They

31:26

had the terrorist attack in

31:28

Moscow, the Krocas theater,

31:30

just a few weeks ago,

31:32

just after the Russian elections. None of

31:34

the coverage of that really, the Russian

31:37

explanation of it was given here in the

31:39

UK. They explained that, oh,

31:41

these guys were here at

31:44

the time of the election and they wanted to do the attack then.

31:47

But the security was too difficult for them. So

31:49

they went away and came back and did it

31:51

afterwards when security was lax. We didn't really get

31:53

any of that coverage here. So what we're getting

31:55

is a very, very one sided version of what's

31:57

going on in the world. And

31:59

to be clear, quite honest, I think they've been planning

32:01

this kind of Third World War for

32:05

decades. I say they,

32:07

I'm talking about even the predecessors, the

32:09

ancestors of the deep state now, they've

32:12

been trying to work this whole thing

32:14

up for many, many years. Look at

32:16

what's been going on. If I could

32:18

just for a minute talk about the

32:20

British in over in Gaza and

32:22

Palestine, you know, the First World War sweeping them

32:24

out of the way, the Ottoman

32:26

Empire, the Second World War,

32:29

implanting this crusader state there.

32:32

But a similar thing has been going on, been

32:34

going on lots of geopolitics in

32:37

Eastern Europe, for example, even the creation of

32:39

the state of Ukraine in the early 1900s

32:41

was just a fiction really,

32:44

it was just made up. They

32:47

decided we're going to have this particular country

32:49

in this particular position, a bit like they did,

32:51

they've been doing, of course, with the Sykes-Picot

32:53

in the Middle East. So this,

32:55

to me, is a very

32:58

clear top down mission

33:02

that the NATO countries particularly,

33:04

but all their hangers on as well,

33:07

are in twitches to

33:09

literally to threaten and take down Russia. Now,

33:11

of course, they can never really do that.

33:13

And the reason, I think, to be honest

33:15

with you, Basil, that they're so, should we

33:18

say, afraid of Russia and they are so

33:20

obsessed by Russia is because

33:22

the main Third World War is

33:24

planned between the United States and

33:26

China. And both

33:29

of those are controlled countries

33:31

by the oligarchy, I believe,

33:34

in different ways, different, obviously different

33:36

emphases on both sides. But

33:39

the Chinese are controlling, I don't know

33:41

how much you know about the origins

33:43

of Chairman Mao being being funded by

33:45

Yale University, his bookshops being

33:47

funded by Yale back in the early 1900s.

33:50

This guy was brought to power by the

33:53

Americans, by the Skull and

33:55

Bones Society. And so

33:57

these two major powers, the Chinese and the

33:59

American, because that's the idea for a third

34:01

world war. The thing is, the Russians are

34:05

a third force.

34:07

You see, if there is a war, a

34:10

third force is going to be still probably

34:12

surviving and may even win from

34:14

a war between China and the United States. The

34:16

Russians may well come out of it really well.

34:18

In fact, as a dominant, that's why they have

34:21

the nations, I think. Okay,

34:23

Tony, the third force, of course, in

34:25

the James Bond books inspector is the

34:27

criminal organization that plays the two off

34:29

against each other. But I want to

34:31

just refer quickly to an article by

34:33

Jeremy Corbyn in today's Guardian. I'm very

34:36

pleased that they published it, given the extent

34:38

to which he was demonized during the whole

34:40

phony anti-Semitism for our go. Our

34:42

leaders seem determined to give war

34:44

a chance, their thirst for conflict

34:47

endangers us all. And he references

34:49

Christopher Clarke's book, The Sleepwalkers, where

34:52

Clarke refuses to pin the blame for the

34:54

first world war, the 1418 war, on a

34:56

single power. Instead,

34:59

he explains how political leaders narrowed

35:01

the prospects for peace one misstep

35:04

at a time and sleepwalked

35:06

into a global catastrophe that left

35:08

around 20 million people dead. I

35:11

don't think they're missteps. I think they're deliberate

35:13

steps. And if it happens again, it

35:15

won't be 20 million dead. It'll be 20, it'll

35:18

be 2 billion dead or more, Tony.

35:22

Well, I can remember, gosh, must be

35:24

15 years ago. And so now reading

35:26

a terrific novel by Dennis

35:28

Wheatley, who was he's an occult

35:31

writer, wrote the great occult novel

35:34

of the 20th century, The Devil Rides Out, which

35:36

was actually made into an excellent hammer film, as

35:38

well. And Wheatley wrote his book, The Seventh

35:41

Seal. It is

35:43

a if anyone has not come across

35:45

Wheatley, it's a terrific yarn about this

35:47

officer that can see the first world

35:50

war coming. He's got inside information about

35:52

how they're trying to get it started. And

35:55

he's frantically traveling around Europe trying to

35:57

stop this first world war. And the

36:00

assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. And

36:03

it's, you know, one of those things that you can

36:05

see, a lot of military people,

36:07

I think, are those

36:09

that understand just what the how

36:12

horrific and horrifying war really is.

36:14

For many of us, we're quite

36:16

prepared to kind of go along

36:18

the bandwagon of, oh, you

36:20

know, Assad has to go, oh, dear

36:22

Godaffi, he's a terrible, nasty man. Godaffi

36:24

has to go. Now, of course, it's

36:26

come around to Putin has to go.

36:28

You know, most military people these days,

36:31

we'll look at that and they'll say, well,

36:33

hang on a minute, because you're not going to just

36:35

get rid of Putin. What are you talking about? You

36:37

know, this is this will will lose if we just

36:39

try and find him, we can lose. So there

36:42

is an air of unreality to this and

36:44

they're pushing along with it anyway. So,

36:47

you know, this this announcement by the

36:50

Ukrainian prime minister about, you know, we

36:52

are bringing war to Europe, where he

36:54

doesn't quite say that, but that's what

36:56

they're doing. They're trying to spread war

36:59

like a disease, like a

37:01

virus throughout Europe. And

37:03

the way they're doing that is they're

37:05

giving the Ukrainians or lending the

37:08

Ukrainians, in fact, all this aid money

37:10

that's going away from the poor in

37:12

Britain that desperately need it to feed

37:14

their kids to Zelensky

37:17

to spend on Western weapons. Of

37:19

course, most of this money is

37:21

coming back to the BAE systems,

37:24

the British arms industry, to people

37:26

like Lockheed Martin Raytheon. And

37:28

it just bounces straight back if it doesn't go

37:31

get lost somewhere along the way and

37:34

get laundered over in Ukraine. It's coming

37:36

straight back here, this cash. And

37:39

so that's what they're trying to do, I think, is

37:41

to boost our economies. And it

37:43

shows you how powerful the arms lobby is by

37:46

getting these arms firms to start

37:48

manufacturing massive amounts of munitions for

37:50

the Ukrainians. The key thing is

37:53

the missiles. I noticed there's another US

37:55

missile, which is even longer range, that

37:57

they're now considering sending to Ukraine.

38:00

This forces the Russians to

38:03

actually come further into Ukraine. The longer

38:05

range your missiles are, the further the

38:08

Russians need to come in in order

38:10

to stop you firing them at Russia

38:12

and Russian cities. And yet

38:14

none of this sort of thing is really discussed in

38:17

the British press. But I can assure you that

38:19

many military minds in the West know this 100%.

38:23

And they know that if we were really to

38:25

take on Russia in any serious way, we'd lose.

38:28

Very quickly, I promised listeners

38:31

at the top of the last hour

38:33

that you know who killed Jill Dando,

38:36

the British BBC journalist shot

38:38

dead on her doorstep in

38:40

leafy Patney. Twenty

38:43

four years ago now, a

38:45

crime for which the entirely innocent

38:47

Barry George was imprisoned for several

38:49

years, and he never got any

38:51

compensation either. That was

38:54

absolutely outrageous. Newspapers

38:56

full of stories that the Met

38:59

Police are reopening this investigation and

39:02

they have a Serbian gunman, a Serbian

39:04

hit man in mind. Can you shed

39:06

any light on this grisly topic, Tony?

39:09

Well, it's good to see this bouncing back

39:11

into the news again, because it is, as

39:13

you say, a horrific miscarriage of justice. And

39:16

right on our TV screens, the

39:19

execution of a TV

39:22

presenter who was

39:24

presenting a crime watch crime

39:26

program, I think it's fair

39:28

to say that say

39:30

back in the 1970s and 80s, anyone

39:32

who was a grass was

39:34

going to get potentially get the

39:37

the lawn was going to get moaned. If

39:41

they were, yes. So but the thing

39:43

is that she's a presenter. She's a journalist

39:45

in a way like Julian Assange. So she's

39:47

not the person who's doing the telling. She's

39:49

the person who's the messenger.

39:52

And so it was

39:54

really extraordinary that she should be

39:57

executed in that way in 1999. But

40:00

there are a couple of journalists

40:02

that I've spoken to over the

40:04

last few years, or sources,

40:06

I should say, one of them, particularly an

40:09

investigative journalist, Don Hale, and

40:11

he has an immense amount

40:13

of information about the British

40:15

pedophile rings. For

40:18

example, I remember him in an interview

40:20

telling me that the people

40:22

that knew most about the pedophile

40:24

rings in London, which were largely

40:27

used for political blackmail, this

40:29

was a big technique of the intelligence services that

40:31

anybody that was looks as if they

40:33

were successful in getting to near power,

40:36

they would be mixed up in

40:38

these pedophile rings, even if they

40:40

themselves weren't particularly interested, the connection with

40:42

it would be so toxic for them,

40:44

they could easily be blackmailed. And

40:47

they'd be secretly filmed and this sort of thing.

40:49

But he said the people that know most about

40:51

this, far more than anyone else on the planet,

40:54

is the KGB. The Russians had

40:56

been following all this right the way through

40:58

the Cold War decades into

41:00

the 1990s and knew everybody,

41:02

all the MPs that were

41:05

involved, all the intelligence officers

41:07

and particularly public servants who

41:09

were so easily compromised.

41:11

So that was partly Don Hale's work,

41:13

but he also worked very

41:16

hard on the acquittal

41:18

of Barry George, which is

41:20

a brilliant thing to do. This guy basically was

41:22

educationally sub normal, and he was fitted up

41:24

by the Metropolitan Police a

41:27

year after Jill's death for

41:29

her murder, with the key evidence

41:31

being one particle of cordyte

41:36

powder, or, yeah, gunpowder of

41:38

some sort, one particle.

41:40

And even the witnesses at the trial said, well,

41:43

this could have come from anywhere, one particle is

41:45

it could have been in that coat pocket when

41:47

he when he bought it second hand, you know,

41:49

it's no way you can say one particle is

41:52

enough to convict the guy, but he was convicted

41:54

anyway. Luckily, I'm

41:57

sure amongst the evidence

41:59

to police. presented to court was

42:01

the fact that he had an untidy flat.

42:05

Well, in which case, both you and I are going to have

42:08

to go to jail, I'm afraid. Look,

42:13

okay, very quickly, the actual

42:15

the actual killers, Jerry

42:18

Korteirai interviewed, and you can still find his

42:20

interviews up on the Daily Express website. He

42:23

had been complaining about the police

42:25

in Dorset and Freemasonry having stolen

42:27

his car. And he he put

42:30

a website up about it. And

42:32

he was told that by contacted

42:34

by these Eastern European mercenaries, we will

42:36

kill these police officers for you. He

42:38

went over to see them in Hungary.

42:40

And guess what, they showed him the

42:42

gun that they use to kill Jill

42:44

Dando. And she had this

42:46

list of pedophiles, she take it to the

42:48

BBC, they've done nothing. So she took it

42:50

to the Met Commissioner Paul Condon, a few

42:52

weeks later, or a couple of months later,

42:55

she was executed on her doorstep. So that's

42:57

what I believe happened is a total failure

42:59

of the police don't take it to the

43:01

Met Commissioner. If you've got information like this,

43:03

take it to journalists, get it out there because

43:05

she couldn't put it on the TV. But

43:07

interesting to see if she tried to do that live,

43:09

that would have been interesting read the lanes out live

43:12

on the BBC. But anyway, she

43:14

didn't do that. And so she ended up dead, I'm afraid.

43:18

Tony explosive story. Thank you so much

43:20

for sharing it with us tonight on

43:22

today's news talk. A fascinating conversation, as

43:24

always. And I look forward to seeing

43:26

you again very soon. Thank you so

43:28

much. Thank you. Tony. Yes,

43:30

Tony. We're going to take a short break now

43:32

when we come back, I'll be joined by State

43:34

of the Union, the host, Brian

43:37

McLean. Yes, that's his name to find out

43:39

what's coming up after the news headlines at

43:41

the top of the hour. And also get

43:43

a bit more information on

43:45

the impending American Revolution

43:47

with anti war protests,

43:49

sweeping universities like no

43:51

time since Vietnam. We'll

43:53

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back to the Patrick Henningsen Show with me, Basil

45:36

Valentine. In for Patrick today, Wednesday the 24th of

45:38

April, 2024. I

45:41

did enjoy my conversation with Tony

45:44

Gosling who referred to the man

45:46

framed, simple as that, for

45:48

the murder of Jill Dando, Barry

45:51

George. Tony used the term educationally

45:53

subnormal to refer to Barry George.

45:55

That's not a term we use

45:57

so much these days. like

46:00

to use special needs, which is

46:02

less denigrating. Barry

46:05

George was indeed special needs. I

46:08

would venture to suggest that somebody

46:10

else who is special needs is

46:12

the Speaker of the House of

46:14

Representatives, Mike Johnson, who was jeered

46:16

by pro-Palestinian protesters at Columbia University

46:19

today. Johnson, of course, said that

46:21

it's a biblical requirement to support

46:23

the state of Israel, such as

46:25

his simplistic understanding of

46:27

religion, spirituality and world events.

46:30

And he's also been making idiotic

46:32

noises about a new axis of

46:34

evil consisting of Russia, China and

46:37

Iran, even though, of course, they're

46:40

not responsible for the murder of 15,000 children. That's

46:43

his big ally, Israel. So I'm not

46:46

really sure he was expecting anything

46:48

else. Johnson referred to what

46:51

he called a virus of

46:53

anti-Semitism at colleges nationwide. Johnson

46:56

doesn't seem to be aware of the

46:58

fact that there are thousands of Jewish

47:01

students taking part in these protests. Brian

47:03

McLean, host of State of the Nation,

47:05

joining me now. Why is

47:07

it people like Johnson are so

47:10

blinkered that they can't see what's happening

47:12

right in front of their faces? Well,

47:15

I'm not sure. It really begs that question.

47:17

That's the million question right now. And,

47:20

you know, with the amount

47:22

of apparent astroturfing that I'm

47:24

seeing going on, one

47:27

has to wonder if he

47:30

really is functioning on some

47:32

sort of religious imperative

47:34

or if he's actually

47:38

helping fuel the fire

47:40

and creating this

47:42

media storm that creates headlines

47:45

such as this one. Students

47:47

are scared. Columbia crisis

47:49

spirals as tensions simmer and

47:52

protests continue. I

47:54

agree. The language around

47:56

it is completely over

47:59

the top. all the pictures and

48:01

video i've seen of the process of columbia

48:03

and elsewhere are the

48:05

festival type atmosphere with students

48:08

drumming dancing singing

48:11

listening to speeches making

48:13

cups of tea around their tents yet

48:16

it seems not just the usual

48:20

zionist suspects but even

48:23

democratic operatives like joe scarborough

48:26

chiming in with some nonsense about

48:29

these events which i will say

48:31

again are heavily

48:33

populated by jewish protesters

48:35

are simply anti-genocide they're

48:37

not posing any threat

48:40

to anybody it's one

48:42

of the most blatant and egregious

48:44

cases of persistent misrepresentation i've ever

48:46

seen and of course it deflects

48:49

from the important issues yes

48:52

absolutely uh i

48:54

i was cued into a

48:57

video on uh bassine yosefsx.com

48:59

account this morning and

49:01

it's pretty interesting i would recommend going

49:03

there and checking it out he says

49:06

i saw a video on my timeline

49:08

of people being paid to infiltrate the

49:10

college protests to incite

49:12

hate and chant anti-Semitic slogans

49:15

they call it astro surfing i don't know

49:17

if that's a a typo

49:19

there but astroturfing i believe is what

49:21

he's talking about maybe astro surfing is

49:24

ludicrous speed astroturfing but he goes on

49:26

to say at the end of the

49:28

video the organizer says they

49:31

will go back to the office for

49:33

cocktails and debriefings and

49:35

also mentions a $50,000 amount that

49:39

was paid to organize some of these

49:41

buses so you know i

49:43

think what we're seeing here the media

49:45

optics on what we're seeing here are

49:49

really nothing new and

49:51

there's a massive amount of infiltration happening

49:53

so the people that we see in

49:56

the mass media cartels broadcasts are

49:59

the most salacious ones you can

50:01

imagine, just like what happened at many

50:04

points in the Civil Rights Movement

50:06

in the anti-war Vietnam era, Occupy

50:09

Wall Street, BLM,

50:12

Antifa, Oath Keepers, Proud Boys,

50:15

J6, PACCON, KKK, Ruby Ridge,

50:18

all of these events had

50:20

these type of people at them. If

50:23

they're not federal agents of some sort,

50:25

you've got NGO sponsored people like this.

50:28

Not to mention January the 6th, I

50:30

saw one blisteringly stupid post

50:33

on the X platform likening

50:36

the protests at Columbia and

50:38

other universities to

50:41

Charlottesville in as much

50:44

as they were sort of, I mean, what an

50:46

earth kind of nonsense is that, let's not give

50:48

that any more any more credence

50:50

for just a moment. Mike Johnson

50:52

was booed, I'm glad to say,

50:55

flanked by other Republican

50:57

members of Congress. He's called for

50:59

the resignation of Minish Shafik, Columbia's

51:02

president, accusing her of failing to

51:04

protect Jewish students. I mean, what

51:06

evidence has he got that any

51:08

Jewish students have been harmed in

51:10

any way, shape or form? I

51:13

mean, it's actually a form of

51:16

anti-Semitism itself. This is the irony

51:18

of the thing because Johnson

51:20

is claiming to represent, his

51:23

views represent all Jewish students

51:26

and we know that they don't. Yeah,

51:29

that lack of nuance there,

51:31

I always find that disturbing.

51:34

There are all types of people

51:37

being represented here to include the

51:39

nefarious ones that I mentioned, but

51:41

the fact that those are the

51:43

ones that are used to scaffolding

51:45

the headlines around and the narratives

51:47

around and the other people are

51:49

given no voice whatsoever, that

51:52

is a huge, huge piece

51:54

of this propagandistic gaslighting that

51:57

we're seeing right now. know,

52:00

all activist movements begin on college campuses,

52:03

you could go back to Vietnam and

52:05

look at the the teach-ins that they

52:07

had there. And these things

52:09

often lead to, you know, well they can lead, I

52:11

mean look what happened to Kent State, these sort of

52:13

things can lead to stuff like that, which

52:16

can be used to push the, you

52:18

know, the overall narrative and polarize

52:21

people against each other politically. And

52:24

that's what we're seeing right here, and

52:26

I'm afraid that Columbia University is

52:28

going to be the first snowball

52:31

that builds into an avalanche if,

52:34

you know, if this continues, because this will

52:36

this will probably move to your side of

52:38

the pond eventually, and we'll

52:40

start seeing massive shutdowns of schools if

52:44

this continues. I

52:46

hope so, because for all the attempts

52:48

at deflecting attention from the

52:50

core issue, this is about aiding

52:53

and abetting genocide. There have

52:55

been protests this week all

52:58

the way across the United States, I

53:00

believe, from Massachusetts to California, with scores

53:02

of arrests, particularly at New York University

53:04

a couple of nights ago,

53:07

with police with batons moving in, really

53:09

sort of images of

53:11

fascistic type repression

53:14

of what is supposed to

53:16

be freedom of speech. I thought you had the

53:19

First Amendment. Yeah,

53:21

yeah, unfortunately, you know,

53:24

these college environments, they've

53:26

already radicalized all these young people. These

53:28

young people are so overtly

53:30

radicalized, they're completely game for

53:33

whatever the next hashtag marginalized

53:35

people protest is going to

53:38

be, especially if they get

53:40

free sandwiches, hotel vouchers, and

53:42

cocktails in a debriefing. Oh,

53:45

for once they found a worthy cause with

53:48

Palestine, that much, I will say. Finally, Hesh,

53:50

what have you got on State of the

53:52

Nation after the news? Oh,

53:55

we've got a great State of the Nation

53:57

coming up today. Timothy Shea and I, we're

53:59

going to to be talking about

54:01

the Senate passing this $95 billion

54:03

aid bill. We've got Angela Stanton

54:06

King, Joel Lombardi, Dr. Ron Martinelli,

54:08

Senator Brian Jones, we have a

54:10

Power Pack show coming up. And

54:15

Joe Biden can't wait to sign that bill

54:17

into law, loading not

54:19

just current taxpayers, but

54:21

taxpayers' children with billions

54:24

of unpayable debt. Is

54:26

that the way forward? I don't think

54:28

so. I'm Basil Valentine. Thank you so

54:31

much, Heshia, Brian McPherson. Thank

54:33

you to my previous guests, Rami

54:35

Nauman and Tony Gosling, of course.

54:37

I'll be back tomorrow while Patrick

54:39

is on his James Bond adventures.

54:41

Don't go away, state of the

54:43

nation, right after the news headlines.

54:58

Thank you.