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This is the guardian.

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Today,

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a crisis and the cost

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of living is expected to hit households

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across the UK to see. What

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would that look like?

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When I first interviewed Jordan,

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a working mom Salford. in

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Manchester, we've been nine months

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and to lockdowns into the pandemic. He

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was worried about the impact it was having on

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her son just the and. how the two

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of them would manage as manage inc Shrink overnight.

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Originally come up with her. Things

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aren't getting any easier.

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I'm. Looking into the trolley, them think you know

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what food do I have to suffice

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to be able to buy these toilet trace you,

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know my son needs is something Need

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toiletries so let

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me just put that this multiple

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requests but then that something missing

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out his pet launch preschool, and

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it's really hard decisions to

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make and. You can't say around so around child

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and, say you know the prices

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have risen so you can't have any crests

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for the. next month and because

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they don't understand that

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What's the weather in from many others

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of the struggle to get by during the pandemic

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turning into a catastrophe with

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little end in sight and

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Amy isn't alone. If

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it cost of living crisis, is going to head

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and Hazleton. case, the show

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it is, is really bad.

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The Guardian, Hillary Osborne, has been reporting

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on the rising cost of living.

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We have gotten things coming from all angles,

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we scoff rising costs, the see

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to got my son qusay energy of

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in as the thing you spend money. The a

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company guys got few. Yeah. And

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at the same time, they might have money that

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beaches your bank account as the month is gonna

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go time, but his national insurance is

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going up, say it really. Is

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I in the time that I've been nice thing about

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money which is and TD's

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cade, so my said it is in CS

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Zeit know as though and that we

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were? Looking at it in January and we

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know all these things are coming down the track

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and can't really see

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the silver lining yet.

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Soaring energy bills predicted it eats up

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more than half the income us some households

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the government is now under pressure to do something.

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The in the meantime even. like

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amia already having to make difficult choices

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on how to afford to live From

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the Guardian I'm not scenic of today's.

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isis The cost of living?

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Right?

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You know, he was born, your the guardian,

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the money and can see ready to.

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What do people embrace and generally spend

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their money on, and could you just breakdown

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how the price of those things has changed?

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Are you at the biggest costs and nice Thai soldiers

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high saying? Mortgages are

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historically cheap that. Prices

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are a. very high

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as those people are spending an awful as

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that salaries on that

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mortgages always had been saying i'm

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saying venice The baby. gone in

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gone direction and now

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it seems to be going to get

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The so housing is the biggest cost

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of what's next in terms of daily expenditure

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than most people would about transport.

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People need guidance, lives and.

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You gotta have to rely on that call is been for the.

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The knee. so wild homeless

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petrol prices have been going up

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After everything opened up. That's

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the look times, oil prices when see

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the race and they've been passed on

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to consumers and day.

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At least the historic highs

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again. And most

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people here the line like half a worker

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at very. Notice that

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is costing them maybe twenty pounds more to

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fill up their car. After

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that we've got say you'd say

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see prices I. think everybody

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is one of notice in the supermarket

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that some say They they like by

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as me. We call month

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and A has gone off to coast.

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It's. A fucking twenty when the face lockdowns

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went into effect, the government and shoot a variety

4:33

of measures to help families you might suddenly

4:36

be at work or struggling in some. New

4:38

way you know though fellow schemes they

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have twenty pound weight uplifting universal credit

4:43

but. now we're entering third

4:45

year of uncertainty around the pandemic and it

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seems like lot of those interventions

4:49

have stopped at time when the needed

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the most

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Then. "Thing NASA night to say about

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and by the universal credit and

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a cluster, I assume we have that

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long", the was tied said since

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he'a bad job some black bad.

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Should they will with Santa Fe

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(N.M.) play son with some of the other

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measures, maybe people didn't

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need it as much but when they have it as they

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do now. The same, so think that's

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absolutely by that that, and that stops

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just as it was needed.

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The end of the uplift in October, when of really

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affected some families, but it's no

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an isolated, is it? What's

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going on with our wages?

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Since the fine. "To crash wages of

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maybe stagnate", said.

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There we seen an awful of people his pay

5:36

hasn't needs a tool

5:38

the last decade always gonna fetch

5:40

I slightly. The

5:42

for the National Insurance

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said charge, which is come. In and in.

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a pool and this is the and charge

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that this guy lots of by last september

5:52

it was the neatest

5:54

food and of and sociopath cops little

5:57

to see on very important thing though we

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need to wake up I'd say to

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come for days. What

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it means that people they share is

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that does start with this month. In five

6:08

percentage point increase in industry,

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insurance say.

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If you're ending twenty five

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and finds. Yeah, then you're going to see

6:16

your take home, pay good by hundred

6:18

and fifty And so, I think

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people are shocked

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when they say that pay packet.

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Amy, when we know spoke, you were worried

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about the impact and is having on your son

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Justin.

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The eight now, can you tell me about

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what he's doing? He.

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Very passionate about animals, we talk

6:48

endlessly about it. Any

6:51

kind of animal but specifically anything

6:54

in the desert are in the sauna the

6:56

case he's he knows he

6:58

swallowed a dinosaur encyclopedia or at best

7:02

and, skateboards. so

7:04

where he the skateboarding always talking about

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animals

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You can we just a sense of what your life was like

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before the pandemic, oh,

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it feels like million years ago now they

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would no worries there was no cause.

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I'm. A freelance artist

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and that involve mostly either, you

7:22

know, design work for businesses, bought my

7:24

biggest passion, and with

7:27

that was going into the local time we schools

7:29

I would. Do curriculum based workshops

7:31

with the children unnamed a

7:34

pandemic shirts and obviously schools

7:36

closed overnight and I.

7:38

wasn't able to go in anymore so all

7:40

of that just once in austin

7:44

Then what would the typical day have been like

7:46

that he looked back at the last two years, how would

7:48

you describe? The in

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your life.

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I actually design and right missing

7:53

persons, and a lot of people laugh at me for this

7:56

book once the pandemic sits on my

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apps will work in school. Then. And

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we businesses stopped I.

8:03

sell donny simpson's line It

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was difference between the announcer dosage often not

8:07

so I sent a losses and

8:10

the pandemic. Working

8:12

nonstop with my fingers not stuff in this sense

8:14

because it was the only way I was knew

8:16

could make any kind of money

8:19

you. do what you consists of eyes which

8:21

is why is have today

8:23

Aside I've seen your name pans know the

8:25

he thinks it has. made me think what

8:28

think wish i knew how to knit us over them on as he

8:30

really beautiful it's time kick start with

8:32

my only lifeline and lifeline genuinely credit

8:34

days pass the only reason to sell the

8:36

roof over our head at the end of a pandemic

8:39

The said you're an artist you have a working

8:41

in schools and but for workshops and covert massively

8:44

affected your income how.

8:46

did you the family adapt to this new reality

8:48

of money being retired

8:51

I made a concerted effort to say

8:53

you know my. son is my

8:55

privacy so he didn't really The

8:58

any difference in sounds as if I

9:00

have less money for a food truck, and I don't

9:02

eat so that make sure he has his

9:04

food. If he has his shoes

9:07

are outgrowing, then will wear shoes with

9:09

holes in. If only have enough, you

9:12

know, to buy one pair of shoes and

9:15

I a

9:20

maybe

9:22

this is why she isn't enough for me. Yeah, incredibly

9:25

demoralizing standing in

9:27

a supermarket and you know, I'm

9:29

going shop and thinking I'm

9:31

trying my best and

9:33

I can provide throws.

9:37

just felt like just wasn't

9:39

good enough. old

9:41

Funny, finding things are getting warm wall

9:43

in a of Avenue, E you seem be getting

9:45

back in your fate. But there's

9:46

also a lot of things that I am

9:53

quite Savvy

9:55

with it, with the home cooking because I have today

9:57

and can go inside.

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all day.

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I tried to put myself about 60

10:02

pounds a month and cover

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everything between

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two months. I

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can do a full I

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will make the meals

10:15

and will freeze them because there is no other

10:18

way. can make sure we will still have food

10:20

at the end of the month or the and

10:24

i seem to be going into all

10:27

day and I'm

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just coming out. I am coming out with

10:31

less and less in a trolley and,

10:33

edits doesn't seem like much I'm

10:35

picking off about is say

10:37

pasta that is now. say

10:40

eighty nine p on it used to be

10:43

fifty nine pay any it is pence

10:45

his book he absorbed when it's

10:47

absorbed full shop and does it

10:49

stop equates to a good few

10:51

i sense that consists in your

10:54

cupboard for weeks on end the suddenly

10:56

you don't half as a backup when you realize

10:59

you're in your last week before pay day on the

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club it's it you know getting far

11:04

What about anything else have you noticed the costs

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rising with other things or any

11:08

general so of life expenditures that's just

11:10

come out you?

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Yeah definitely I will wear

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clothes in so blazing until it got holes and

11:16

if it means tend to, can

11:19

buy new clothes my son cause they never

11:21

stop grow in it's endless how much the growths

11:23

if going to next and need to get high school

11:25

uniform. it's Again

11:28

if it seems like nothing lengthen call

11:30

it that's gonna see pounds that's gonna three pound

11:32

oh that's going a lump health effects but he all

11:34

Adsl fun of cannot and twenty pounds

11:36

he's big difference the next and.

11:39

at the end of month if i have to

11:41

allocate an extra twenty pounds to was clothes

11:44

prices that have gone up for his uniform

11:46

you know that's twenty pound out to take off the food bill

11:49

He got all of these essential items and you're trying

11:52

really hard to fit them into budgets,

11:54

do you ever have anything left over to spend

11:56

on something that's just a bit of treat for both

11:58

of you?

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I mean pre-planned planned it will

12:02

do class things like Luxuries intensive,

12:05

you know a magazine,

12:07

subscriptions on subscriptions

12:09

you know Net Flex and your

12:12

phone you're going

12:14

out to eat may be going to the cinema

12:16

as those kinda things. we

12:19

are at the point now that is

12:22

No, think I consider.

12:24

Looks way that you know as expendable

12:26

because I've had to forfeit the all to make sure we

12:28

can pay the bills so I

12:31

do not have looks race.

12:34

My son has a fairly as one be no

12:36

subscription every month and

12:39

which is his looks Ray and we try

12:41

and allocates cinema with month and,.

12:45

but that's the best they can do rarely

12:49

You mentioned that things like counseling Netflix.

12:51

But what does Justice say? When you tell

12:53

him we can't have

12:55

that anymore or like, you know, he picks up something

12:57

in the supermarket and says, mom, can we buy this?

12:59

How do you deal that? Do

13:03

you know what he is? such a?

13:04

goodbye Now almost makes it worse

13:07

because he absolutely he's,

13:09

not the kind of by that, will throw a tantrum ever

13:12

say no you can't have that I don't

13:14

baby him and. have

13:16

try to maintain level of respects

13:18

with him, where will explains improperly,

13:20

improperly won't stop him off and won't lie to them, was swim.

13:23

Look, this, is this

13:26

month if we need to

13:28

do this them with on us to do it display

13:30

what do you think, about that and

13:33

he was? Spunt so well

13:35

it just makes me, want to cry i'm

13:37

very lucky in that sense that have been Such

13:41

a lovely boy's to seize little face, it

13:43

just breaks your heart rally. I would

13:45

love to the also said, you know? Let's

13:48

have a tree let me go and get that fiat

13:50

helps out wanna talk about say it's really hard

13:52

and. He

13:55

ice. So

13:58

demoralizing constantly.

14:10

They doing with just her from Amy on how

14:12

she's managing a money and really difficult

14:14

circumstances and, it's so

14:16

stressful to see that from what you

14:18

describe this is something that will effect

14:21

Everyone I know with everything

14:24

is groceries it's transports

14:26

consumer goods wage stagnation housing

14:28

costs and, we haven't even

14:30

touched on perhaps the biggest thing that people have been

14:32

told me recently which is The jay. What's

14:36

happening with people's gas electricity bills?

14:41

Election expensive. The been

14:43

on the up.

14:45

Driven by the high wholesale cost

14:47

of gas, which does small

14:50

supplies were am unable

14:52

to. The'am am too old and

14:54

of the smaller suppliers. appeared

14:57

in the market at they went bust.

15:00

We had it as a situation

15:02

where people who were Romney's needed

15:04

good deal. More suppliers.

15:07

Neither providers disappeared and

15:09

make nice don't see you and

15:11

me to pick supply as he wouldn't honor

15:13

those deals because they when they.

15:16

went The type of vacant forty

15:18

that's what is more supplies it disappeared say.

15:22

we had am people

15:24

knew had that's of payment soccer's they may have

15:27

made have good tales and on to

15:29

and the standard valuable which is capped

15:32

by the regulate said That.

15:35

The providers will say now that the cat

15:37

is to know that costs so. And

15:40

then is protecting consumers, and as it

15:42

was designed to do even edit. The corner

15:44

they're still artificially.

15:46

late I'm from ny

15:49

we were. Coming up, see the sense

15:51

of February when the regulator

15:53

has to decide on

15:55

whether twice kept them in April.

15:59

How much higher? That energy prices

16:01

to go and.

16:03

Most honorable and all those of on the edge how

16:05

bad you think things will get.

16:08

The not fuck am I going about what the

16:10

and what the capital made to

16:12

and an, awful lot of there

16:15

is come in and ranked and.

16:18

thousand times and for the

16:20

since i saw that says there The

16:22

each customer. The average

16:24

annual. With guy friend

16:27

twelve hundred and twenty seven

16:29

to pay size and say. Seven

16:31

hundred times. They on.

16:34

That's closer, look at eighty nine

16:36

painful, and I mean, if

16:39

we can't. Program

16:41

for people in fuel poverty already we've

16:43

got people our age consent saying

16:45

that that. people Having to choose

16:47

between he thing in a single. That day and

16:51

I live with Fucker and not need price

16:53

cap as we came into the some that. Then.

16:56

The now. Oh,

16:59

maybe maybe. The corporate the it.

17:03

Hello check it's heat same

17:05

issue with the from high me for young kids

17:08

in it is all these reasons why you

17:10

might have the heating on the day and.

17:14

Cracking it is the fundamental lot

17:16

of stuff and, and you can

17:18

be said for not all people you can

17:21

be something and useless but does

17:23

some people believe it's just

17:25

faster use what they're using

17:27

it And the price is gonna go out. At

17:30

a day.

17:36

Amy, we're in the colder months now and

17:39

energy bills are a worry for lot

17:41

of us would have been happening specifically

17:43

with price of your gas electricity as

17:46

gone up here.

17:49

What kind of my share a common the lot month it

17:51

was in prices started to rise, didn't

17:53

they and we live in bungalow, two

17:55

bedroom bungalow, so in

17:58

some respects with quite lucky because I only? One.

18:00

Floor for heat and,

18:02

for our prices still rose by

18:04

about forty five pounds on the initial

18:06

rise, which you know as have already

18:08

set to me that's the difference is. He nearly

18:10

full month shop, and

18:13

that's rarely the catalyst

18:15

if the why I'm struggling to pay for everything else

18:17

is because the gas and electricity is heights

18:20

right. ", right have done everything

18:23

possible to try and reduce

18:25

our usage in the house, all of the lightbulb

18:28

said the energy saving as a sneeze

18:30

on time is so that. No lights

18:32

or. anything on unless

18:34

they're absolutely needs to be an

18:37

ice and see on my usage

18:39

you know our users from the previous years is right

18:41

down bought the price that we are

18:43

paying still higher than what we will pay

18:46

in when i use each with the small

18:48

Emergency C. D. You ever so finds

18:50

I'm thinking maybe I couldn't afford

18:53

for the heating on to me.

18:55

It's. Massively a case I've done

18:57

I've even done experiments in the house and

19:00

I got some heated

19:02

blanket above mine and my son's bed

19:05

and you,

19:07

know, the difference. Between

19:09

leaving the heating on through the night of was

19:11

in the heated blanket son blanket timer to

19:13

come, on for you know half

19:15

an hour every few hours just to. Keep, just warm

19:18

that works out cheaper for us, making

19:21

sure my son has fleece

19:23

pajamas son that he will say warm

19:25

if will can then afford to not put the.

19:27

Heat and on, through the night do

19:30

have a thermostat set says to

19:32

assess and limits so it will trip on if it gets

19:34

too cold place is, massively.

19:36

A case of let's put Trump

19:38

is on. let's put dressing gowns on and

19:41

then he was still feel coal through that will have

19:43

a look at the he said

19:45

You might report is that the regime of the energy

19:47

prices in the spring mean that bills

19:49

go up by nearly fifty percent so.

19:52

You have say as been has been

19:54

reported a thirteen hundred pounds the A bill

19:56

which is the average it. to go up to

19:58

two thousand pounds thousand year

20:01

Something like that happen soon what would that

20:03

look like and how would you navigator get?

20:06

series i absolutely do not know

20:09

i'm gonna fix ties till december but you know if

20:11

our prices rise again come december

20:14

when our six ties and ties genuinely

20:16

don't know how i'm gonna be also thought that as

20:18

aches as genuine tunick even

20:20

as a toss about him about heart starts to pound because

20:24

It is nothing

20:26

I can say this is an option I'm gonna

20:28

have to see what happens I'm potentially

20:32

and. a half said Family

20:34

for help because I don't know how I'm gonna cover

20:36

the bells the I'm twenty nine years old don't ask my

20:38

mom to help me pay the gas and electric bill and.

20:42

i don't know what we're gonna do

20:45

Coming

20:47

out.

20:49

What my the government does town to

20:51

the looming crisis and, will

20:53

it be enough

21:04

Hillary the cost of living crisis is

21:06

becoming quite a big issue for the government

21:08

now and snapping conversations

21:10

around what they can do about that one I day would

21:12

be to pause V eighty on energy bills

21:15

for. the government has poured cold water on that suggesting

21:17

is not targeted enough

21:20

More likely would be some kind of tweet to

21:22

the Warm Home Discount which is an existing

21:24

mechanisms and knocking some money of people's

21:26

bills but it's totally available to relatively

21:29

narrow range of people and quite,

21:31

a small amount of money anyway. another

21:34

idea would be for the government to make payments

21:36

to energy suppliers when whole sell gas

21:38

prices go up so those companies

21:41

don't then have to pass the costs on to customers

21:44

Whether the government decides to any of

21:46

this we will see in.

21:49

the meantime we had some with pitiless

21:51

tip from ovo energy last week lively

21:54

suggesting people do star jobs and

21:56

cuddle that if they want to keep their

21:58

heating bills down The rich

22:00

coming from one of the companies sending people

22:02

huge bills not exactly helpful.

22:06

The remedy past advice you give to

22:08

people.

22:10

A few on a low income

22:12

than he should make sure the ego gets and

22:14

everything they evolve and insightful,

22:17

Taylor as innocent, great charities

22:19

or stuff like fans who are seeking to

22:22

say when and see if you and

22:24

can apply for any grounds and

22:26

as of that success.

22:28

The fuck are entitled to when

22:30

you come in and you're putting your details and not will

22:32

tell us this anything you can apply for,

22:35

I think you should probably your energy.

22:37

That an adult. They got

22:40

it, grants some that. This is it

22:42

says, and companies for this will save

22:44

British guy. Have some friends, which

22:46

is about it. Are available to anybody

22:49

so, think if you're on a lower income

22:51

you need to be making sure that you got the income

22:54

that you deserve that everything he

22:56

can get come in and seal, and

22:58

bank account is coming in and

23:01

then issue on are hiring. can hiring

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think you can He you know I think

23:06

Case right. to look at how

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you use as the things that things use

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your money so no as ridiculous

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as the and a happening your pets but

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you know A few

23:17

days if you can still be city by

23:19

some insulation and a list of us that

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looks nicer city could take says

23:23

so you're not wasting energy

23:26

you're not wasting what you're spending and

23:28

and. i'll say the same goes for saved on inside

23:31

waste is waste massive put them in this country

23:33

and vs if you pay money and then

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The report your job is watching how the slow

23:39

moving trends weedy do have a big

23:42

impact on how people live their lives and

23:44

also trying to keep people informed about how they

23:46

can look after their finances how.

23:48

does it feel for you to watch

23:51

the situation unfolds The

23:53

phone.

23:54

The extreme wealth fun on one

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hand and them these poor people here and

23:59

they district. And

24:02

and game with I we've got. Food

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banks are ready, proliferate saying

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well as. The constipates gonna go up

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then like gonna see more.

24:12

of that It's

24:14

really depressing set

24:16

to watch this unfolds and to feel

24:18

that some of the things that we

24:21

I'm a stay. You

24:23

know some of the advice we still have for people

24:25

is just meaningless may say it's

24:28

he has guy leave us hanging people

24:30

as she'll having problems with your finances

24:32

superman's humanity you could say

24:35

three hundred pounds and.

24:37

right now we're having to say i'm sorry

24:39

to see you know don't study

24:41

where you are and actually it's probably

24:43

gonna go up nightfall am And

24:47

so it's committee difficult is really

24:49

difficult for know. The right

24:51

field for meaningful help for people

24:53

and it's movie in. Her

24:56

think that at sea and previous times

24:58

we've always seen things come

25:00

I have. "He kind of crisis

25:03

which saw some been welcomed thing",

25:05

says to the financial crisis:

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"We saw the guy. payday lending:

25:10

We saw the rise in the

25:12

classic heaviest job market

25:15

and eight kind of worries me because

25:17

there's always something that comes in

25:19

and. That's okay. Who

25:22

preys on the people?

25:23

The and pay need to help poor

25:26

kind of.

25:27

Come to fill this gap that people

25:29

have than and ten that's the not take

25:32

it for City Pool says that

25:34

worries me is, I can't see what it is that

25:36

there will be something.

25:45

The out and doing all that being so

25:48

careful and being so stressed

25:50

plant make you feel a mean in to

25:52

the list are you in you sound very buoyant

25:54

and uplifting and inspiring but at the same

25:56

time it's really.

25:58

hard work Yeah you,

26:01

know. like i said

26:03

earlier as didn't realize

26:05

over the past he is how everything

26:08

has an effect from an mental health and how much

26:10

they had deteriorated and

26:12

have mentioned you know mentioned know every foreigner

26:14

speeds with a therapist for an hour week

26:17

i'm nice how rarely

26:20

I. Have dealt with the strikes as all of these situations

26:23

I would massively advocate upset anybody

26:26

know there are lots of people with a lot of pride

26:29

and, all day. Think that dead

26:32

mental health isn't that bad that they

26:35

won't benefit from speaking to someone for

26:37

just to have someone to sit down and say, "Look,

26:39

this really hard" For me right now and

26:42

I am really struggling with the stress

26:44

of keeping on top of the bills and

26:46

obsessing over with us

26:48

in the electric in the light in. I'm

26:50

just to have someone reassure you that you are

26:52

not going absolutely insane,

26:55

make some massive difference massive saw

26:57

I'm massively credit the father even sound

26:59

remotely buy into yes. Months

27:01

with no measures to get three, but it has

27:03

been so incredibly stressful, it's

27:05

all consuming, it seems every

27:08

waking minute and

27:10

of the day and that can be incredibly

27:13

on. Healthy and, itself and

27:16

then that's when or then passing a law start to suffer

27:18

because she's so fixated on how,

27:20

you gonna supplies and he. Said gonna light

27:22

switch on us soil

27:25

When you look back at what's happened, your family's financial situation

27:28

as a last year's and you'll symbol tiniest

27:30

loss of income increased living costs. How

27:32

do you process all of that? It's

27:35

been two years is a,

27:37

struggle and feeling inadequate

27:40

as person and especially

27:42

as mother, and

27:44

is still process rarely some days away

27:47

company feel. incredibly down

27:49

on myself Then. See,

27:52

they might have as. They old

27:55

I'm, annoyed at myself even know. he

27:58

no he says instead The spot.

28:01

I still to fill out the failure. Really.

28:04

Wow sites us citizen

28:06

incredible thing to say anything anyone

28:08

listening to this thinks you're a failure ice

28:11

I know it's, know

28:14

the a sound quite dramatic. Eggs

28:16

see time I just think is quite humbling the

28:18

plant that, you like you say you

28:20

are really trying and you doing of thing

28:22

possible and yet even at the. Same time you know giving yourself,

28:24

a break here is

28:28

yeah, it is it's is know, it know

28:30

it's mean the therapist or have

28:32

now tells bounty it's a. Baby more positive and

28:34

it's know. that boisterous it's there is safari

28:37

hard I don't know don't know what

28:39

the answer is, but just can't say that

28:41

the saylee the failure feeling about

28:44

and wish could try to go to the line months,

28:46

the suppose say out of you it's a pandemic.

28:49

I know.

28:50

How

28:58

do you think about the future for you and just the?

29:02

There's no point dwelling on the past

29:04

we only have the future and,

29:07

The only ways up and

29:10

I'm a same believe or not. We

29:13

are, we I hit the point where

29:15

the only way is up for us and

29:18

am confident that guy's gonna happen,

29:20

I. Ain't gonna

29:22

happen because I'm gonna make it happen because say

29:25

because. There is no one else he was

29:27

going to do it for us, so I'm

29:29

quite Sammy, not police, think

29:32

the next two years are gonna be good for as they have today

29:34

he can become be anything else.

29:38

just I'm determined to make it as good as it can

29:40

they. For us.

29:44

Amy, thank you so much think case.

29:57

That would Amy Jordan and Hillary Osborne.

30:00

My thanks to them you, can

30:02

follow Hillary's reporting and consumer

30:04

advice from the money team on the Guardian Dot

30:06

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30:08

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30:11

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30:13

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30:15

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30:18

That's him for today. This episode,

30:20

just produced by Joshua Kelly. Sound

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30:25

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