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April 15, 1984,
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and another remarkable event is about to
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be uncovered by... Aria,
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Rebecca and Ali. The
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Retrospecters. Dying
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on stage is often used as
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a metaphor for a comedian failing
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to connect with an audience. But
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when legendary comic Tommy Cooper literally
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died on stage at Her Majesty's
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Theatre London, today in history in
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1984, the audience lapped it
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up, screaming with hilarity, thinking it was all
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part of the show. But Cooper had actually
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had a massive heart attack at the age
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of 63 in the middle
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of his act, and it was being
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broadcast live on ITV. Yeah,
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and it was a bit of a boy who
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cried wolf scenario, because Cooper's act was all about
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his supposedly botched magic trick. So initially the audience
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assumed that it was planned. He was about to
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embark on a sketch which called for a series
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of props to appear from under a long cloak.
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And a stage assistant had just tied the cloak around his neck
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when he leaned back against the curtain
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and then just slumped to the floor. The audience
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initially assumed it was all planned and the kind
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of heavy breaths that he was emitting as he
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lay on the stage sounded almost like snoring. You
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can see how people would be watching, is this supposed
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to be like a narcoleptic magician bit? Like where's he
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going with this? Once it became clear
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that he was genuinely ill, which the production staff,
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they were aware of his health history, will get
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into that. So they noticed this well before the
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audience. A hand emerged, you could see it, I
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mean they've taken it down on lots of websites,
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but I mean I've seen it. probably
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seen the clip. Now a hand emerged and
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sort of drew the curtains around him, the
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TV broadcast went to an early ad break
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and Jimmy Tabuk who was the host started
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filling for time you know firing off gags
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for the live audience in the theatre while
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he could hear the paramedics behind him scrambling
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to revive Cooper. Yeah in the best theatrical
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tradition it was decided that the show must go
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on and so they sent out Les Dennis and
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Dustin G the other comedians who were booked as
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well as the rest of the acts for the
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night and they just continued
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the performance in now the quite
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limited space in front of the
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stage as behind them efforts were
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being made to try to revive
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Cooper backstage and the situation
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was hampered by the fact that there
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was darkness backstage and it wasn't possible
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to get the ambulance men in until
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the second commercial break and only then were
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they able to move Cooper's body to Westminster Hospital
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where he was actually pronounced dead on arrival so
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he really had actually probably died on stage. This
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is it I mean I have watched the footage
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now I'd put it off for a long time
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I've never looked for this footage before it's never
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been shown on television for reasons of taste and
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decency is on YouTube if you look for it
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I'd never watched it because Tommy Cooper was
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my grandmother's favorite my dad had childhood memories
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of watching Tommy Cooper with her he introduced
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me to Tommy Cooper when I was a
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kid and I never
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bought this idea of like oh this is how he
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would have liked to have gone you know on stage
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with everyone laughing I thought that's a horrendous way to
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die he lost control he was so in control all
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the time of the joke every single movement was perfectly
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timed he'd hate this I don't want to see someone
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die on stage but I felt for
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researching this that I should see the moment because millions of
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people watched it on telly and that's the day we're commemorating
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so I watched it and I should feel a bit better
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about it now having seen it because it's
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over really quickly isn't it he is
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quite clearly dead about 10
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seconds after he falls to the floor
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and what's interesting is retrospectively this
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business of he died on arrival at
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Westminster Hospital hospital that was
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clearly London weekend television who were making
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the show not wanting to take professional
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liability for what had happened. Which actually I don't
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think anyone would have blamed them. You know, the
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guy was in very poor health and had a
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heart attack in the middle of a show. It
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had nothing to do with ITV really. But they'd
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known, as you hinted at earlier, that he was
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in poor health. In fact, that night they
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knew he couldn't make it up the stairs to the dressing
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room, so they'd let him get changed in the wings, that
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he was a big star turn, so they built him a
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dressing room in the wings of the theatre. Yeah, and
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that was one of the reasons that they knew
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pretty much instantly that this wasn't part of the
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act when he fell down, is that
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his son was in the wings and he said
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that his father had such serious butt problems, that
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there's no way he would ever execute a pratfall
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on stage as a way of getting loved. So
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they knew something serious had actually happened. And it
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seems like all the evidence points to Cooper dying
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pretty much instantaneously. The people who
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actually did suffer were the other people who
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were performing. You can really see in their
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accounts a bit later that there was a
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lot of trauma around it. You know, Jimmy
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Tarbuck especially, you can tell that he
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felt guilty for being able to go out and
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perform. He had known and admired Cooper for 20
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years. He'd met him while he was still starting
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out. But he was a trooper, you know, Tarbuck
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was a performer. And you can imagine he just
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went on autopilot, probably fueled by a lot of
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adrenaline. And he was going out there and doing
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his routine, making jokes, knowing what was going on
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just behind the curtain. And the same
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thing as well with Les Dennis. You know,
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him and Dustin Gee were doing impressions of
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Coronation Street characters while listening to the ambulance,
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and there's something Cooper's just behind them. It
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must have been totally surreal. And
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actually, spookily enough, two years later, Dustin Gee
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sent a massive heart attack on stage while
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he and Les Dennis are playing the Ugly
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Sisters in the Panto Cinderella and died two
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days later in hospital. So, you know, Les
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Dennis has spoken about this. He obviously also
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carries a lot of trauma from it. And
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the American musical star Howard Keel, you know,
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Seven Brides and Brothers, Clementine Jane, he
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was singing as Cooper was being casted away
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into the ambulance. And you can see the
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curtain twitching while he's singing. So everyone
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was just going on with the show. Well,
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it's that old fashioned variety thing, isn't it? The show
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must go on. And it gets into that thing of, well, that's what
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Tommy would have wanted. He'd want us to do the thing because we're
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all performers. I think it's any sort of
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true. But at the same time, the reason
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it would be traumatic was not just because
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he was this beloved entertainer. And by the
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way, all of his routine was family friendly
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and inclusive and silly. So everyone loved Tommy
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Cooper. Or even if you didn't find him
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funny, you could see his objectives were to
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just simply make people laugh. And everyone found
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him inoffensive. But it's that
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he represented that wartime generation of British comics.
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You know, he was like almost the friendly
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face of those. There were some quite sardonic
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ones. You think about Peter Sellers or Spike
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Milligan. Tommy Cooper was like the
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friendly face, along with Malcolm and Wise maybe, of
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that generation of comics. It's not just anyone who's
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just had a heart attack on stage. It's the
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Dom, you know? Yeah, but
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you can also understand why in the
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very moment where he died on stage,
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there was some uncertainty. Because as you
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say, Rebecca, he often played on having
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absolutely no material. You know, comedians so
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often looked back at Tommy Cooper and
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sort of assessed his material as being
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nothing special intrinsically of itself. But what
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made him funny, and one of Britain's
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favourite comedians of the time, was just
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that he was funny. You know, he
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embodied this kind of great innocence and
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these childlike qualities. And he
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made sort of failed jokes, winning
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in this really charming way. You know, many
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comedians have commented on his ability to bring
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the house down with just the thinnest of
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material. The magician and TV presenter Paul Daniels
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remembered Tommy Cooper giving an after dinner speech
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at a club in London when he said,
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This great big man just stood up. That's
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all he did. He just stood up. And
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the place he was in absolute hysterics at
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a man standing up. He said, now I don't
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care how much you study comedy. You can't define
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that. That ability to fill a room with laughter
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because you are just emanating humour.
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His most famous routine in the theatre was not
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even making it to the stage at all. Never
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really standing up and having thin material. Like, his
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signature sketch was that he couldn't make it to
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the stage and you'd hear him doing the whole
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thing from the dressing room. Yeah, so you could
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totally understand why an audience would think, oh, this
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is the bit where he does dying on stage.
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And actually, you know, what
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happened happened. He had actually surprisingly died
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on stage. But it does feel like
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the ultimate comedy, I don't know, out,
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the ultimate punchline for the guy delivering
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those jokes, even though, you know, he
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probably would have preferred to go on,
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let's face it. Only after the TV
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broadcast, though, did the nation realize that
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they had watched Tommy Cooper die. I
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mean, obviously, this is an era long
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before social media. So there's no way
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of having that moment of national reckoning,
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is there, when something like that weird
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happens on live TV, there's no one to confirm
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or deny whilst it's happening, you have to wait and
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see. So the whole of Live at
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Her Majesty is finished. And then when
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the news at 10 came on, on the same channel,
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ITV then sort of sombily announced the death of
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Tommy Cooper, which the audience had just been watching.
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But the rest of the show carried on as
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if it hadn't. Yeah. And this year, 1984 actually
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turned out to be a bit of
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a, you know, bonanza year for beloved
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comedians dying on stage. Famously, Eric Morcom
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and Leonard Roster both also died in
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1984. Heart attacks.
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Eric Morcom was coming off stage. Yeah, Morcom had literally
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just got off the stage, right? So it doesn't keep...
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Yeah, and Leonard Roster was just about to go on
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stage. If you want something more authentic,
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if you want it, Olly, Sid James, in 1976. So
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there, Heart Attack, he suffered
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on stage during the opening night performance
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of The Mating Season at the Sunderland
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Empire Theatre. That is more depressing to
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me, because I feel like Sid James
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was a movie star, and he dies on
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stage in like a regional tour of a
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poorly received farce. Do you know what I
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mean? Whereas Tommy Cooper actually is coming on
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as beloved national figure and on
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national television. If you're going to die on stage,
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do it on ITV. Yeah, yeah. There's
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been some also as well as the natural cause
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of simply gruesome incidents and accidents, especially in the
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world of magic and circus acts as well. In
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1872, Thomas McCart, who performed as
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Masachi the Lion Tamer, you can see where
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this is going, was
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fatally mauled by lions at a travelling show
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in Boulton Market Hall. He had actually already
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lost an arm to a lion in a
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previous encounter. We can assume he was... was
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not the greatest lawyer, Tamer. It's how he would have
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wanted to go. Yeah. Screening
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in Bolton Market Hall as he was most
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death by lions. Yeah. Tomorrow.
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