Tamara Rojo, acclaimed dancer and director of English National Ballet, joins Tom and Ty for this episode.

After Tom finally pronounces her name right, Tamara discusses her work on the DCMS taskforce that is dealing with the covid-19 crisis and the responsibility she feels towards the dance world in making sure its voice is heard. Tamara's relentless dedication and work ethic is revealed as she discusses the honesty and meritocracy of ballet.

As a director Tamara has been determinedly pushing the boundaries of classical ballet and the guys ask for her thoughts on how ballet can stay relevant in the modern age. On a lighter note, both Tom and Ty were keen to know who Tamara blames when the casting comes out...