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two episodes of the Dynasty are now

0:49

available on Apple TV plus the focus,

0:51

the power struggle between Tom Brady, Bill

0:53

Belichick and Robert Kraft in their final

0:55

years together. Matthew

0:58

Slater detailing just how bad things got

1:00

between Belichick and Brady saying, Tom

1:03

and Bill weren't best of buds. During

1:05

our captain's meeting, we would kind of go

1:07

around and we'd talk about the game plan

1:09

and every time coach goes to Tom, you

1:11

know, there's awkward silence and tension there that

1:13

you could feel and I'm thinking to myself,

1:15

dang, let me slide back. I don't

1:17

want to get in the crossfire. I

1:19

remember times like if Tom wanted something done,

1:22

he would tell me to go tell Bill and

1:24

I'm looking at Tom like, Tom,

1:27

I'm not telling Bill, you tell Bill.

1:30

And that dysfunction led to this

1:32

conversation. When

1:35

we walked into the room, he

1:37

said, I've decided to move on and

1:39

as soon as he said it, he

1:43

started crying. And

1:46

his crying told

1:49

me everything I needed to know. He

1:53

said, I think we should call Bill. And

1:56

then when Bill answered, it was emotional. It's

2:00

because again, there's a chapter coming

2:02

to an end and I

2:05

expressed that to Bill too. I

2:07

would say that's kind of what I expected. But

2:11

I think I'm always kind of the, you

2:14

know, saying goodbye is

2:16

always hard. And,

2:18

you know, I love Coach and Tom, love

2:21

having our football team. But at that point

2:23

in time, I

2:25

think he made the right and the best decision. Life

2:29

is very imperfect and

2:32

relationships are imperfect, but... I'm

2:42

very proud of our journey. It

2:44

was hard. But...um...but

2:50

it was great. Fascinating

2:53

insight just like that throughout episodes 9 and

2:55

10. And a reminder, all

2:57

10 episodes of The Dynasty are now

2:59

available on Apple TV+. Phil

3:02

Perry here, Michael Hawley, Tom Curran, both

3:04

featured at the end of The Dynasty.

3:07

And we have now somebody who was with the

3:09

Patriots through that 2017 season. And beyond Brian Hoyer,

3:11

Brian, thank you so much for being with us.

3:13

How weird was it in 2017? That's

3:17

what a lot of episode 9 covers. You had

3:19

been with the team, 09 through 11. How

3:22

different were things in 2017 when you

3:24

walked into the facility? Yeah,

3:28

I mean, thanks for having me first off. And,

3:30

you know, I came in right in the middle

3:32

of that year. I was part of that Jimmy

3:34

Garoppolo trade and came back. And

3:36

I was excited to come back because, you

3:39

know, for me, I always considered

3:41

myself a Patriot. I learned a lot.

3:43

And I came back and it was

3:45

pretty noticeable right off the bat that,

3:47

you know, tensions were high. And it

3:50

wasn't the same as what it was when I

3:52

left. Brian, from

3:54

the outside, looking in. And you were

3:56

very close to it. Why did the relationship...

4:00

and ship mainly deteriorate. I

4:02

have my own feelings from having observed it

4:04

that Tom wanted to kind of self actualize

4:06

and Bill said, well, that's still not how

4:08

we do things around here, no matter who

4:10

you are. But from your vantage point, watching

4:12

it, why did it just get worse and

4:14

worse and worse? Well,

4:17

the thing that hit me and I watched the

4:19

show today for the first time was when Mr.

4:21

Brady, Tom's dad says, you know,

4:23

you just know when you're not appreciated. And I

4:26

think that was the biggest sense I got as

4:28

Tom's backup and his friend was that, he didn't

4:30

feel appreciated. And I think, you

4:32

know, when you see people like Matt

4:34

Slater and Devin McCordie and Danny M.

4:36

Andola, and you see those guys talking

4:38

about, you know, how Tom was treated

4:40

and having been there, you know, from

4:42

oh nine to 11 and, you know,

4:44

witnessing that relationship and then coming

4:47

back and seeing that it was, you know,

4:49

I would say deteriorating and worse and the

4:51

lack of communication that went

4:53

on in some of those meetings and Tom would just sit

4:55

there and shake his head and say, okay. And, you

4:58

know, I think that was it. He wanted to feel

5:01

appreciated. He didn't want to, you know, be put above

5:03

other guys. I think Tom, a big

5:05

part of what made him so endearing is he wanted to

5:07

just be one of the guys. But,

5:09

you know, you can only take so much for

5:11

so long. And I think he

5:13

always looked at it as, if I can sit

5:16

there and take it, then everybody else can too.

5:18

And I set the example, but at a certain

5:20

point, I would say it got worse before it

5:22

ever got better. Brian,

5:24

you saw Tom Brady at different

5:26

points of his career, at

5:29

different MVP seasons. So the different iterations

5:31

of Tom Brady. And at one point

5:33

in the documentary, I think it was

5:35

episode eight, where Robert Kraft

5:37

tells the story of, hey, Bill would come

5:39

into my office with these stats about

5:41

how Brady was starting to lose it and the

5:44

downfield throws at the bottom of the

5:46

league. What did you see from

5:48

Tom Brady just quarterbacking, forget about the

5:50

personality stuff, between 2011 and say 2017?

5:55

I mean, in my opinion, he was better. He was better in

5:58

2017, 2018. than

6:01

what I had remembered in 2009 through 2011. And

6:05

I think the thing about quarterbacking is, and

6:08

obviously Tom's the greatest quarterback of all time,

6:11

but your brain continues to develop and get

6:13

better at it. And so if your body

6:15

can withhold the beating and the

6:17

day in, day out, you

6:20

should get better as you go. And it's my

6:22

opinion that had Tom played last year, he'd

6:24

be a top 10 quarterback. And that's just who he

6:26

is. That's the knowledge he has of the game. And

6:29

I think that kind of alludes to the friction with

6:31

Alex Guerrero, because I think Tom looked at Alex, like,

6:33

this guy is gonna allow me to play as long

6:35

as I want to, as long as I can. And

6:38

to have that, you know, become an

6:41

issue, that was a big thing

6:43

too, I think, you know, and having gone

6:45

through and gotten treatment at TB12, you

6:49

know, it was a career saver for me. It added

6:51

three years to my career because I was

6:53

dealing with knee issues and going in and getting

6:55

that treatment. And, you know, you'd see

6:57

the guys that go in, they'd be a little skeptical,

6:59

they'd get one treatment. And you'd be like, wow, I

7:01

feel better. And I think Tom was like, I'm doing

7:03

whatever I can to help this team

7:06

win by staying healthy and having

7:08

Alex there to give me this treatment. And now

7:10

you're trying to make it difficult for me to

7:12

go out and do that. How awkward was that

7:14

situation with Alex Guerrero, Brian? Because it

7:17

seemed as though watching episodes nine

7:19

and 10 here, that really created

7:21

a rift or exposed the rift.

7:23

Brady was clearly very emotional about

7:25

everything that went down with Alex. How

7:27

awkward was it from your vantage point? Yeah,

7:31

it was strange to me. I mean, I can't remember, you

7:33

know, what spin it was with the team, but I remember

7:35

going to get treatment from Alex and I walk in the

7:37

room and he's treating Bill. And so, you

7:39

know, here he is and

7:41

he's getting treatment from the guy. And

7:43

it could have very well been like in 2011. I

7:46

don't know if that would have been in 2017 because of

7:48

where the friction was, but, you know, I think

7:50

he saw the benefits of what that was. And,

7:53

you know, talk about awkward. I remember, you

7:55

know, getting ready for a game and,

7:57

you know, we got to go out on the field for warups in 2013. minutes.

8:00

And I haven't seen Tom for an hour and a half

8:02

because he would have to go up to his private suite

8:04

just to get treatment from Alex. So it caused more issues

8:06

than it did, and if you just left it alone.

8:12

Was Alex kind of a chew toy

8:15

that Tom liked that Bill decided to

8:17

withhold from him, kind of

8:19

tease him with? I mean, it was an

8:21

easy way to- No, I mean, we're

8:23

talking about grown men dealing with this situation. And

8:25

I always kind of look at like, this is

8:28

so silly. I mean, I always

8:30

sat in those meetings and I looked and I'm

8:32

like, this is the greatest coach of all time.

8:34

And this is the greatest quarterback of all time.

8:36

How fortunate I am to be in these meetings

8:39

and learn from both of these guys. But I

8:41

also, at the same time, it was like the

8:43

tension was sometimes it was, you know, I remember

8:45

trying to lighten up the room and I'd ask Bill

8:47

questions about Cleveland, having grown up in Cleveland, like, Hey,

8:50

you know, what was it like, you know, when you

8:52

were coaching in Cleveland and Art Modell and Tom liked

8:54

that because it kind of would eat up some of

8:56

that time and take away from that awkwardness. And, you

8:59

know, I always thought it was just sad. I'm like, these guys

9:01

are tied at the hip forever. You know, when

9:03

one gets inducted to the Hall of Fame, the other one will

9:06

be there. And you see it and you see how emotional Tom

9:08

gets at the end. And it was an

9:10

amazing journey. And it just, you know,

9:12

like all good things, you know,

9:14

relationships aren't easy. Brian,

9:17

you were with the Patriots to start the

9:19

2019 season. The dynasty basically skipped over Brady's

9:21

final season in New England in 2019, but

9:23

things were plenty awkward. Then

9:25

including this memorable bite from Brady

9:28

when asked about his contract situation.

9:30

I feel like you're

9:32

earning an extension. I've earned it. I don't know.

9:34

You guys set up for talk show debate. What

9:36

do you guys think? Should we

9:38

take a, should we take a poll? Sure. All

9:40

right. Talk to Mr. Kraus. Come on. This

9:46

was a fascinating time period for the Patriots

9:48

because as that was going on, Tom really

9:50

wanted just a two year, $50 million contract.

9:52

Easy for me to say. Same as Drew

9:55

Brees. And when

9:57

he didn't get it, that sealed it. I spoke to. people

10:00

very close to him. And

10:02

they said, that's it. You were within the

10:04

organization. It was told to me by folks

10:06

within the coaching staff that they

10:08

actually had to go to Bill and say, look, he's going

10:11

to leave the team if you don't

10:13

do something about this, Bill. And Bill was kind of

10:15

caught on awareness. From your vantage point,

10:17

what were indicators that you got that Tom was

10:19

up to his eyeballs with the 2019 contract

10:22

situation? I

10:25

didn't know that that was really the rumblings

10:27

around the building. I remember one day Tom

10:29

coming to me and being like, hey, babe,

10:31

just be ready to play the whole year.

10:33

And I remember being like, what happened? Did

10:35

you get hurt? What's going on? He said,

10:37

I just want to prepare you. And then he kind of left it

10:39

at that. And I don't know if you all

10:41

remember, there was a day in training camp that year where

10:43

he didn't practice. And I got all the

10:46

reps because at the time, it was just me and

10:48

Stidham. And the

10:50

next day, he had that new contract. And I think at

10:52

that point, it was more about being able to become

10:54

a free agent after that year than it was getting

10:57

that contract like you mentioned. So

11:00

he said, be ready to play the whole year.

11:02

Do you have the feeling that he was ready

11:04

to just walk out and

11:07

see what happened from there? I

11:10

mean, at the time, I didn't know that. But

11:12

watching this show and hearing Tom talk about what he

11:14

had heard, I mean, it sounds like that was surely

11:16

the plan. Because then when you watch the show and

11:18

we've won the Super Bowl,

11:20

and he basically said, I'm not willing to

11:22

go through it again like this. I mean, I did

11:24

not know it was to that extent.

11:26

And like I said, that was cleared up pretty

11:28

quickly because it was one day where he didn't

11:30

practice. And then the contract was

11:33

the new contract was signed. And he was

11:35

back out there. But I

11:37

left a few weeks later to go to Indianapolis. So

11:40

I know that that was a rough year for him.

11:42

I think they started off, was it

11:44

10 and 11 and 0? And you could see

11:46

being a friend, I would watch their games.

11:48

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11:51

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11:55

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13:04

back to the Dynastic Post Show. Robert

13:07

Kraft in episode 9 revealing as much

13:09

as anyone has about why Malcolm Butler

13:11

got benched in the Super Bowl. Quote,

13:13

What has been told to me was that

13:15

there was something personal going on between Bill

13:17

and Malcolm that was not football related. I

13:20

always felt that every decision Bill had made had

13:22

been put, had been to

13:24

put what was in the best interest

13:27

of the team first and put emotion

13:29

aside. But with Malcolm, he did just

13:31

the opposite. With

13:33

that, we welcome back Brian

13:35

Hoyer, who was with the team for

13:38

the end of that 2017 season and that Super Bowl

13:41

that Robert Kraft is referencing right there. This would be

13:43

the time now, Brian, for you to tell us all,

13:45

tell the world why Malcolm Butler was benched. So you

13:47

could just, we, you have to. Bring it on. Man.

13:50

I try. I asked him when he came back. What was that in 2022? I

13:53

remember he and I were doing a little, you know, rehab

13:55

recovery down running. I said, come on, Malcolm. Just tell me

13:58

what it was. And he goes, man, I can't. him

14:00

just like, like in the show, he goes, I still don't know.

14:02

And, um, you

14:04

know, for me, I, I, like I

14:06

said, I come back midway through that season and,

14:09

um, you know, it's a Superbowl. I'm so focused on

14:11

the offense that I don't even think a

14:13

lot of us knew what was going on until the end

14:15

of the game, that there were some rumblings on the sideline. Like,

14:17

yo, Malcolm hasn't played at all. And

14:19

everyone, I mean, I'm, I was a scouting quarterback

14:22

that way. He was in on all the reps.

14:24

Um, he was covering, you know, the slot receiver

14:26

on third down. I remember, I remember him breaking

14:28

up a pass and thinking, man, that

14:30

was a really good play. Like Malcolm's, you know, good

14:33

to go. And, um, you know,

14:35

to this day, it remains the biggest mystery,

14:37

you know, in, in Superbowl history,

14:39

probably not just a mystery in Superbowl

14:41

history, but also something that has people

14:44

still more importantly than

14:46

people players on that team still rankled

14:48

to a high degree. Did

14:50

bill in hindsight

14:52

punt on a Lombardi? I

14:57

mean, look, I football is the ultimate team sport.

14:59

Could Malcolm have helped us win? No doubt. I

15:01

mean, to say that one guy was going to

15:03

alter the impact of that game, that's putting a

15:05

lot of pressure on Malcolm and taking away from

15:07

a lot of guys that were on the field,

15:10

but that's a huge, what if, and I think,

15:12

um, you know, you see the reactions from a

15:14

lot of the guys that Danny Amendola, the grongs,

15:16

the Devins, the slaters. Um, obviously

15:18

they had a lot more invested in

15:20

that year and with Malcolm because, you

15:23

know, they were there that whole year. Malcolm had won

15:25

them a Superbowl three years before. So, you know,

15:27

they have every right to be angry and

15:29

sit there and say, what if, I mean,

15:31

you look at what the offense did in

15:34

that game. I mean, it was historic numbers

15:36

offensively and we just, I remember Josh,

15:38

you know, saying, we just got to

15:40

get ahead of them at some point and we'll be okay,

15:42

but we could never just catch up. And

15:44

I think a lot of those guys have every right

15:46

to feel the way they feel because you

15:49

were never given an explanation and it's a huge what if.

15:51

All right. You said a lot of those guys

15:53

have a right to feel that way. You were on the team.

15:56

So Were you angry or are you angry about

15:58

it when you think Kara going to had another

16:01

ring? I. Mean

16:03

I agree that would it be great because the

16:05

out of resume was normally was on a one

16:07

winning seem so I would have loved to have

16:09

another Super Bowl rings. I wouldn't say I'm angry

16:11

per se. like I said I was only there

16:13

for the last last half of the season. I

16:15

didn't invest the the blood, sweat and tears the

16:17

same way those guys they with that with our

16:19

team enough I'm I'm not barely knew Malcolm at

16:21

that point so. You

16:23

know, am I angry? I don't see I'm angry

16:25

I guess I'm I'm You know your regretful of

16:27

mean what could have happened? I guess that's that's

16:30

more you know likely how I would put it.

16:33

Are you from our Brian? You are

16:35

as you met your part of that

16:37

Superbowl winning team against the Rams are

16:39

after Belichick Bench Butler in the Superbowl

16:42

or and cerebral Fifty Two excuse me

16:44

Robert Kraft that he was keeping a

16:46

close eye on Bill Belichick Durant mess

16:48

Superbowl, hundreds of Ram sorry what our

16:50

mail, whatever his own were revised. It's

16:52

all. Here are is a good I

16:55

thought after winning that Superbowl. What an

16:57

amazing job our defenses staff said under

16:59

the leadership of Feel obviously allowing just

17:01

three points in that game. So. If

17:03

I ever thought it was losing it,

17:05

Craft continued as a head coach and

17:08

couldn't perform heated reestablished himself at that

17:10

point. Tommy understood that feel would be

17:12

the head coach for a number of

17:14

years. Moving forward Friday Bill Bill Belichick

17:16

was coaching for his job and that

17:18

Super Bowl against the Rams because that's

17:20

sort of how crap made it sound

17:23

at that point in the documentary. Film.

17:26

Any of us ever felt that way about that game

17:28

room. I don't hide, I certainly didn't in. I felt

17:30

like Bill would be there for a long time after

17:33

the game, no matter what had happened. So. You

17:36

know that's hard to speculate. I don't ever think

17:38

you know any of us had that feeling. About

17:44

the series Overall, God and I'll never

17:46

been. a lot of our comments on

17:48

a brian people feel about having too

17:50

much for not enough football, too much

17:52

drama they miss that is tipped over.

17:54

that is tipped over two championships, two

17:56

championships back to back selling time ass

17:58

about about four. Great job You

18:01

entered into a bill hit jobs if you're

18:03

take a where you want to do what

18:05

what would say about you. Mean.

18:08

I really feel like it could have been a

18:10

twenty episode series. Honestly I mean there's so much

18:12

to cover and I think people are to live

18:14

through the football it's it's great for me even

18:16

to see some of the stuff when I wasn't

18:18

there before I got there to see some of

18:20

the stuff that went on. and and you hear

18:22

the stories and you hear from you know older

18:24

guys you know this is what happened and he

18:26

knows it was intense I watched it with my

18:28

wife this place like wow this is like when

18:30

she others like yeah this is I mean people

18:32

don't realize and and I think the one thing

18:34

that I think away as. Guys

18:37

who were almost seem to think a lot of

18:39

pride and be on the scene because it was

18:41

tough and we took we took a lot of

18:43

pride him in been able to be tough and

18:45

handle Bill Bill would say look you know I

18:47

credit you guys. I know I'm not easy and

18:50

and you know you knew what you're getting yourself

18:52

into Enough for me you know they talked about

18:54

fun. I was on a lot of organizations where

18:56

we have fun on Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday

18:58

or Thursday and Sunday came around and it wasn't

19:00

fun but I thought he was a was it

19:02

was miserable some days but it was sure fun

19:04

on Sundays and I think if anything it brought

19:06

those teams. Close together in a

19:09

way that. You know, closer

19:11

than some college teams that I was on.

19:13

you know closer than any other team that

19:15

I had been on in the Nfl because

19:17

you went through it together and I thought

19:19

daddy's quote was gray like we we work

19:21

for Bill but we play for Tom and

19:23

I think the one thing that you see

19:25

is how endearing all the Palms teammates are

19:27

in in the show and how they speak

19:29

of hand and I'm you. I think people

19:31

you know look at it as and are

19:33

people bash him Bill and the one thing

19:35

that. He. really surprised me was how

19:37

candid everybody was and when you see a

19:39

garlic maps later say the things that he

19:41

says you know for so long we're so

19:44

conditioned on how to deal with the media

19:46

how are you gonna speak to the media

19:48

and you look at in these are guys

19:50

who were speaking freely without the pressure of

19:52

is my job at risk for saying you

19:54

know what i feel and what i feel

19:56

as the truth and i think that was

19:58

one of the biggest things that i witnessed

20:00

even all the way back the Thai laws,

20:02

the Rodney Harrison, the McGinnis, all the way

20:04

through, you see guys who are speaking freely

20:08

and you don't see anything that

20:10

really isn't untrue. HOST 1 Brian Hoyer,

20:13

as your wife said, you lived it, you saw all

20:15

this stuff firsthand. We really appreciate you sharing your insight

20:17

with us here tonight. Thank you. HOYT Thanks, Brian. HOST

20:19

1 All right. Thanks for having me, guys. HOYT

20:21

Thank you. HOST 1 All right, with the docuseries now fully released,

20:24

the craft digs, so to speak, and fellow

20:26

check were pretty apparent. Weren't they called Bill

20:28

a real schmuck, quote unquote, for Spygate? He

20:31

mentioned how Bill thought Tommy was starting to

20:33

lose it in 2014. And of course, there

20:36

were comments we just showed you about the

20:38

benching of Malcolm Butler.

20:42

HOST 1 He also called, he said, my head coach is

20:44

a pain in the tush. HOST 2 He did use the

20:46

word tush, which I took note of. I actually wrote that

20:48

one down. Tom, you

20:50

feel as though the documentary was a little harsh

20:52

on Bill? HOST 1 I think

20:55

that that's the prevailing opinion here in New

20:57

England. This is a documentary that's done for

20:59

the masses. And the drama of what

21:02

happened with the New England Patriots is compelling Shakespearean.

21:04

We've called it many times. So to tell that

21:06

story, you're going to highlight the conflict. For

21:08

a Patriots fan, it's been difficult to watch. And I think

21:10

it's been difficult to watch because

21:13

Bill Belichick was accepted and

21:15

paid for to be an

21:17

autocratic despot. And I

21:19

think that Robert Kraft benefited

21:22

greatly and the Patriots benefited greatly from Bill

21:24

fulfilling that role. It's a violent, physical, merciless

21:26

sport in which you're asking people to do

21:28

unnatural things. It's one in which you have

21:30

to bring people from very different backgrounds and

21:33

get them to all row in the same

21:35

direction. And if it meant that you had

21:37

to be the enemy, Bill Belichick

21:39

embraced that and was that altered and

21:42

the team went bad. If

21:44

the commentary around all

21:47

of this wasn't, but

21:49

we understood this is how Bill was

21:51

with Malcolm. We understood how this is

21:53

how Bill was with Tom. We

21:56

asked him to be that way for so long. It was

21:58

hard for him to change. I just don't think enough

22:00

allowances were made by the Crafts, Robert in

22:02

particular, to say, I embraced

22:04

it for a long time, and

22:07

then I didn't. I think that Robert wants to look

22:09

like the oil in the engine here, to keep this

22:11

thing going and stop it from

22:13

seizing up, but not say that I

22:16

really allowed Bill to be this because it benefited

22:18

us. I've said this before, Phil and

22:20

Tom, look, Robert Craft has lots

22:22

of press conferences, all press statements in drafts

22:25

right now about, hey, this is what the

22:27

Patriots have done since I've owned

22:29

the team. Our family has done this. We've been the

22:31

X amount of Super Bowls. We won this many division

22:33

titles. You're a part, you're taking credit for

22:35

it, but when it starts to

22:37

dissolve and things happen, you try to distance yourself

22:39

from it. No, it doesn't work like that. You

22:41

are a part of it. You are a part

22:43

of some of the decisions that we agree with

22:46

and some of the decisions that we disagree with.

22:48

In his own words, he said that on camera,

22:50

but I would say this overall quickly about this

22:52

theory. Matt Hamachek had a

22:54

great quote, had a great line when he

22:56

asked, he told people, he'd asked him to

22:58

sit down for an interview and they asked

23:00

him how he would be, how they'd be

23:02

perceived. He said, somewhere between a puff piece

23:04

and what your worst enemy would say about

23:06

you. Now Bill Belichick got most

23:08

of the worst enemy. Robert

23:11

Kraft got most of the puff piece.

23:13

I don't think any, is there anything negative said

23:15

about Kraft in here? Anything?

23:17

That's why I found the omission of 2019

23:19

interesting because a lot of people would look

23:21

at Robert and say, where's the contract for

23:23

Tom? Isn't that your decision, Robert? Isn't that

23:25

part of the reason why Tom's not here?

23:28

Yeah, I mean, they really sort of bypass that whole

23:30

scene. He was Pontius Pilate in that instance. And Tom

23:33

was looking and saying, Bill's just doing what Bill does,

23:35

Robert. Where about you? Why,

23:37

why have you always been here and now,

23:39

oh my God, by God, why have you

23:42

forsaken me? Now

23:44

you're at the cross. So I mean, it's not

23:46

what he's saying. You went from Pontius Pilate to

23:49

Calvary. Go ahead. So

23:51

he's looking for the guy and he's nowhere to

23:53

be seen. And I will say this too, just

23:55

again, while we're at it with, with the Kraft

23:57

stuff. You can't keep saying you never. Stepped

24:00

in on anything and have nine different things in

24:02

the series. They get stepped in on Right.

24:05

Yeah, I never stepped in in 20 years except

24:07

for this this this and this and this other

24:09

otherwise No, I wouldn't buy this place in the

24:12

last two episodes I told him he couldn't trade

24:14

Tom and I told him he had to

24:16

get Alex back in the building So that those were

24:18

those were two instances right there in the matter of

24:20

60 minutes of screen time where we saw Robert

24:23

Kraft involved himself, which is this right Michael,

24:25

right? He should have it's insane say in

24:27

a lot of these and look I know

24:29

a lot of people here We wanted more

24:31

football, but that really wasn't the purpose of

24:33

it They were trying to tell the story

24:35

for people who didn't know the story We

24:37

know what we know too much and

24:39

I think Brian Hoyer is right for the for the

24:42

football people who are really into it And the nooks

24:44

and crannies of it. We probably did need a 20

24:46

20 part series 10 Focused

24:49

on the drama is not quite enough for people in

24:52

New England, but I think nationally they got exactly what

24:54

they were looking for Phil do you think that this

24:56

will damage the relationship between Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft

24:58

and make it more difficult for Bill to come back

25:00

Here for events. I Don't

25:03

know. Yes, it might. Yeah, it might and I

25:05

wonder too now. What is Bill Belichick's response? Do

25:07

we get a response? Yeah, does he come out

25:10

with his own docu-series or is it a book

25:12

Michael? What is it? I think there will be

25:14

some responses coming. It might be NFL

25:17

films it might be some sub tweets

25:19

or whatever But he's not gonna just

25:21

sit there and take this and

25:23

I wonder and this is for a discussion for another

25:26

day Cuz we're running out of time. What

25:28

would have happened to bill it come back It

25:30

bill it come back now when you're dealing with

25:33

this and that was the intention This was not

25:35

dropped after bill was released. They wanted bill

25:37

to be continued to be the head coach through

25:39

this year They didn't want four and thirteen. It's

25:41

fascinating to watch and the other thing is Bill

25:45

did have the opportunity to say whatever he wanted

25:47

to in that time and send himself and he

25:49

passed away