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Episode 7 of the Dynasty, focusing

0:34

on one of really the most ludicrous

0:36

scandals in sports history. Deflategate!

0:39

Tom Brady's once pristine character now

0:41

being questioned. Something that hit

0:44

the quarterback quite hard. The

0:49

two weeks were very difficult on

0:51

Tommy. He was taking it very

0:55

hard. When

1:00

the deflategate happened and Tom was

1:03

the headliner of the whole

1:05

situation, he addressed

1:08

us as a team. You

1:10

can tell he was

1:13

distraught. He

1:15

said, this is something I wouldn't do. I

1:19

would not ruin this season for us. The

1:23

allegations are false. He

1:26

was actually bawling his eyes out in

1:28

front of us. Tom

1:34

can be a very fiery person, but he can

1:36

also be a very soft person. He can be

1:38

very emotional. It took

1:41

a massive toll on him because of his kids. Just

1:44

having to listen to his kids come

1:46

home from school and talk about the things that

1:48

they heard from their friends or their teachers or

1:50

whoever, I felt for him. Some

1:56

great stuff there. Episodes 7 and 8 of

1:58

the Dynasty are now available on... Apple TV

2:00

Plus. Welcome to our dynastic post show

2:02

here on NBC Sports Boss. We've got

2:04

Michael Hawley, we have Tom Kern, I'm

2:06

Phil Perry. Guys, wanna get your quick reaction

2:08

to what you saw from the Deflategate

2:10

episode. That's where we're gonna start. We're

2:12

talking episodes seven and eight tonight. What'd you

2:15

think of episode seven, Tom? Really brought

2:17

you back to a lot of the

2:19

emotions that you felt in real time because,

2:21

you know, in the post after that

2:23

Deflategate game, after their dominant win over

2:25

the Colts and the reporting

2:27

that began, you said

2:29

to yourself, it's the same old

2:31

song and dance. And then by the time

2:34

the Chris Mortensen tweet came out later in the

2:36

week, I think

2:38

we all kinda grabbed our pitchforks because we

2:40

had no idea what two pounds of PSI

2:42

meant. Right, right, right. Well, if 11 of

2:45

the 12 balls of that's deflated, two pounds,

2:47

I'm like, I don't know, two pounds. So,

2:50

and then as it starts to move

2:52

along, you start to realize, well, we

2:54

got hoodwinked and we're being hoodwinked and put up

2:56

to this by a league

2:58

that is desirous of something happening because

3:00

all the teams that had been steamrolled

3:03

finally rose up and found that

3:05

smoking gun that they thought. I

3:07

remember it like yesterday. My oldest

3:09

who was now a ninth grader

3:11

was in kindergarten. And so

3:13

I remember taking him to school the next day, the principal

3:15

of the school says, hey, what

3:17

do you think of this thing? This football

3:19

thing, this PSI? I said, that's nothing, because

3:21

this is day one. I said, that's nothing.

3:23

They won the game 45 to seven. You

3:25

really think we're gonna be talking about air

3:28

pressure in footballs, like it's a

3:30

big deal? I just still can't believe, I didn't believe it

3:32

then. He said, I told you, I didn't

3:35

believe it then. I don't believe

3:37

it now, Phil, that we spent

3:39

so much time talking about PSI

3:41

and the ideal gas law and

3:44

all of these things. And it's

3:46

the only time in football history that we've

3:48

talked about it. Like, have you

3:50

mentioned it? Have you thought about it in the

3:52

last five years? Never not once. And

3:54

it's not just that, it's the elements that

3:56

then started to circulate. I mean, I was

3:58

at the Southern court, Southern. district court

4:00

in New York multiple times, having to

4:03

break down paragraph 46, having to

4:05

write down notes because we couldn't have any recording devices,

4:07

and then call into our boss at the time, our

4:10

bar tone, so we could write things up, sitting in

4:12

the courtroom watching these things unfold

4:14

and really being

4:16

given an introduction

4:19

or at least a reminder of

4:21

the power of a corporation when

4:24

enough of its members,

4:27

board members, say that team's got to go.

4:30

Right. What I found interesting was that

4:33

this episode, they do a good job, the

4:35

dynasty people do a good job of showing

4:37

just how absurd the entire thing was and

4:39

reminding us of that over and over and

4:41

over again, and yet showing us

4:43

some really emotional moments that occur throughout and

4:45

you get to some fractures in relationships. But

4:47

I do want to start back at the

4:50

beginning because one of the most fascinating quotes

4:52

to me was early in episode seven with

4:54

Adam Veneterri, old friend Adam Veneterri saying, they

4:57

were our biggest rival. They were the ones

4:59

who were preventing us, us being the Colts from getting to

5:01

the Super Bowl every single year. We

5:03

knew they had to be doing something and that struck

5:05

me as a former Patriots saying something like that because

5:08

that would necessarily, Adam, remove

5:11

some value from the three Super Bowls you won with

5:13

the Patriots previously because this is only going to add

5:15

to their reputation as cheaters. Michael, what did you think

5:17

of that quote from Veneterri early? That

5:19

is coming from Veneterri that we

5:22

always forget. He spent more time with the

5:24

Colts than he did with the Patriots.

5:26

At that point, he thinks that he is

5:29

an Indianapolis Colt and so he takes on

5:31

their anger and their grievances

5:33

with the Patriots. It's almost

5:35

like smart people knew

5:37

better, but once they were

5:39

outside of the Patriots atmosphere, they

5:41

started thinking like everybody else and

5:44

they were just frustrated. A lot

5:46

of it was frustration. Sure, we

5:48

got the deflator. We

5:50

got Dorito Dink. We got all this stuff

5:52

that was not addressed in

5:54

the dynasty. If you

5:57

really just take a 30,000-foot view of it,

5:59

you'd say. What are we

6:01

talking about? Why are we—Tom, remember, you

6:03

said, you know, Southern District. How

6:05

about in the middle of

6:07

summer, I think it was June or July,

6:10

Tom Brady goes to the NFL offices and

6:12

spends like 10 hours. He's

6:14

like a deposition with

6:16

lawyers and Roger Goodell talking about—Tom, Roger

6:18

said, Tom, tell us again how you

6:20

like the footballs. And they're all trying

6:23

to set him up to kind of,

6:25

ah, gotcha. It's weird. It was weird.

6:27

But if you look at it, too, the Patriots

6:30

were—whether it was Jeff Fisher and the Titans, whether

6:32

it was Erce and

6:34

Ryan Gregson with the Colts, whether it was John

6:36

Harbaugh with the Ravens, whether it was the

6:39

Steelers, they were blocking every team. And while

6:41

they weren't winning Super Bowls until at the

6:43

end of that season, they were

6:45

continually there. And I think these teams said,

6:47

look, they're not doing it above

6:49

board. And that was all they could come up with. And

6:52

it mattered because it was the Patriots.

6:54

San Diego Chargers, I think they had

6:56

a towel that they used to aid

6:58

with grip. And the football. I mean,

7:00

I know this stuff backwards and forwards.

7:02

I can give you instances after instances

7:04

that we know of other things having

7:06

happened. They weren't looking for

7:09

a murder weapon. They were looking

7:11

for a crossed line on the

7:13

highway to try and jail Tom

7:15

Brady for 10 years. And

7:17

the further removed we get from it, the more

7:19

absurd it seems. But at the

7:22

time, everyone, everyone, the league,

7:24

Tom Brady, the Patriots themselves, they took

7:26

seriously deflategate provided us with some of

7:28

the most memorable sound bites in Patriots

7:31

history. We have some here.

7:33

Tom's personal preferences on

7:35

his ball footballs are something

7:38

that he can talk about in much better

7:41

detail and

7:45

information than I could

7:47

possibly than I could possibly provide.

7:50

Can you answer right now is Tom Brady

7:52

a cheater? I

7:55

don't believe so. I mean, I feel like I've always played

7:57

within the rules. I would never do anything to break the

7:59

rules. And I believe in fair play and

8:01

I respect the league. I'm not a

8:04

scientist. I'm not an

8:06

expert in footballs. I'm not an

8:08

expert in football measurements. I'm

8:10

just telling you what I know. I

8:14

would not say that I'm Mona

8:16

Lisa Vito of the

8:19

football world. We

8:22

could keep going. Oh, God, there are so many there.

8:25

I can put my faith in the league. You just

8:27

get in this ridiculous

8:29

back and forth. You

8:32

get some real examples of humanity

8:34

being shown at the podium. I

8:37

was in there for all these press conferences,

8:39

whether it's Robert Kraft before training camp much

8:41

later where he's expressing real anger towards the

8:43

NFL. Bill Belichick there, real

8:45

defensiveness early and then almost cartoonish defensiveness

8:47

with the Mona Lisa Vito press conference

8:49

later, which they actually don't show in

8:52

the docu-series. Tom Brady completely bewildered at

8:54

the podium there, Tom. It

8:57

was interesting to me the humanity that we saw

8:59

from these guys and the emotion involved in all

9:01

these press conferences, which we will never see again

9:03

all over deflated football. Yeah. And

9:05

by humanity, I'm not sure if you mean, hey, they were

9:07

being nice to each other. I think in the early days

9:09

it was, it's on

9:11

him. It's on him. It's on

9:14

him. Okay. You know what?

9:16

No more. It's on him. And Bill

9:18

said, I'm going to fix this as best I can and speak

9:20

on it. And it was a Saturday afternoon, the day before they

9:22

were traveling to the Super Bowl. And we were told as we

9:24

sat in the media room, Bill's going to come out and talk

9:26

to you guys. And by then all the

9:28

national media had left. So it's

9:30

me, Phil, Giardi, Mike, Reese, and like,

9:33

we got to ask everything. The whole country is going

9:35

to be, and we did, we asked everything. That's when

9:37

you asked a great question. You said, hey, now that

9:39

we got you here, Bill, how about

9:42

Spygate? And he goes, what did he say to you?

9:44

It was a great line. 80,000 people. I

9:46

mean, we're not the only ones who are doing

9:48

it. So you've got insight into that. And

9:51

then when they get to the Super Bowl,

9:53

Robert Kraft turns it and says that we

9:56

demand an apology. And

9:58

then in May in San Francisco. disco,

10:00

he says, we're going to stand

10:02

down. Then it was unbelievable to

10:05

watch. But what was so fascinating

10:07

were the relationships, I

10:09

think, behind that, because Bill did eventually

10:12

stand in front of some of

10:14

the slings and arrows that were coming at Tom, certainly,

10:17

but also at the same time, this was

10:19

a byproduct of, I think, of Bill saying

10:21

to himself, this guy's a

10:24

lot of friggin work, man. Yeah, it'd be a

10:26

lot of friggin work. And I like your line,

10:28

Phil, you talk about the humanity of it, because

10:30

sometimes human nature, when you're under pressure and

10:33

there's chaos, your first instinct

10:35

is to protect yourself. And then,

10:37

as Tom says, you come back and think of it later,

10:39

think, OK, what's the best thing to do? We still have

10:41

to get to a Super Bowl and win this thing against

10:43

a very good team that it won

10:46

at the year before in the Seattle Seahawks. So

10:49

humanity, first instinct. Robert

10:51

Kraft is trying to protect relationships he has in

10:53

the league. He's got a good relationship with the

10:55

commissioner, but he's mad at the league. He wants

10:57

to protect the relationship he has with the commissioner.

11:00

Bill Belichick, no, they got him with Spygate.

11:02

And if this is on him, this is

11:04

a real trouble for his career. And

11:06

then Tom Brady hears Bill say this

11:09

about ask our quarterbacks. And he starts

11:11

thinking about the guy you drafted in

11:13

the second round. Exactly. In

11:15

the spring and Jimmy Garoppolo. Oh, that's

11:17

your. So what are you doing? I

11:20

had questions about you then in the spring.

11:23

Now I have questions about the way you're handling this. So

11:26

I think there were a lot of emotions,

11:28

a lot of undercurrents here that they finally

11:30

were able to overcome and oh, who

11:33

knows when a game with a Super Bowl.

11:35

And they had, you know, Jarell Reavis there,

11:37

which we saw a little bit earlier, talking

11:39

about the emotional outpouring from Tom Brady in

11:41

real time, balling in front of his teammates,

11:43

saying I would never do anything like this.

11:45

I'm curious in terms of the docuseries itself.

11:47

They do ask Tom Brady anything

11:49

you'd like to say about the deflated

11:51

footballs now that were so many years removed

11:53

from it because with the trip to the

11:55

bathroom, which you detail so well, Tom, in

11:57

the back and forth with the dynasty people.

12:00

the text messages about the deflator. Like

12:03

he had an opportunity there to say something about it,

12:05

didn't add to it, did that surprise you at all?

12:08

It didn't surprise me when you look back at

12:10

what the Brady family I think, and you hear

12:13

from Galen and Tom Brady Sr., Galen Brady, his

12:15

mom, they really

12:17

attribute in large part the

12:20

illness that she was

12:23

afflicted with soon thereafter to so much

12:25

of the stress that they incurred. Now,

12:28

I'm not a doctor, but that is

12:30

how they feel, what the Brady family went

12:32

through in that. Now, I think realistically

12:35

we can look at this and say, they must

12:38

have done something at some point to the, there's

12:40

too many text messages, too many circumstances, but I

12:42

think Tom wouldn't want to revisit it in the

12:44

fact that, look, I've staked out this position, I've

12:46

gotten this far, I'm not gonna say, well, I

12:48

mean, they might have tried to get it back

12:51

to 12.5. The

12:53

bottom line is, I think

12:55

it was extremely painful, we all knew

12:57

it was a jaywalking situation and a

13:00

prosecutor-like affinity. And I'll say quickly, Tom Brady,

13:03

when this happened, was 37. It

13:06

was the first time, imagine this, the

13:08

first time in his career that he

13:10

had been criticized roundly and consistently by

13:12

the local and national media at 37

13:14

years old. Now, how many

13:16

quarterbacks can say that? It got so absurd to the

13:18

point, I wish they had included this, where

13:21

Tom Brady Sr. calls into a talk radio

13:23

station and says, you don't know what you're

13:25

talking about. Roger Goodell

13:27

is a liar. I mean, all of

13:29

these things happen, and I think it

13:31

changed Tom Brady. It's

13:33

interesting, too, this gives you some insight

13:36

into that. I talked, it's far enough down

13:38

the road, talked to Mr. Brady, I said,

13:40

Tommy's mad. Tommy does not want

13:42

me doing that because he's very concerned that

13:45

he will be blackballed by the league if

13:48

he continues to speak out or we continue

13:50

to speak out, and he will never get

13:52

a job in this league again. And we

13:54

don't know where he's gonna be right now

13:56

at the Patriots, but he does not wanna

13:58

be blackballed. So Tom Brady. mortality to

14:00

his career. An incredible time in every sense

14:02

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14:04

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episode eight of the dynasty, focusing

15:45

on that rocky relationship between Tom

15:47

Brady and Bill Belichick.

15:49

Matthew Slater checked

15:51

in with some fascinating quotes throughout the

15:53

episode, saying at one point quote during

15:56

that 2016 season, Tom was unbelievable. But

15:58

Coach Belichick, Dean Coach Belichick, Tom

16:00

to an even higher standard than everyone else. Do

16:02

I think Tom felt disrespected? Yeah, I think so.

16:04

I don't think I would want

16:07

to be treated differently but I would

16:09

want a certain level of respect especially

16:11

as a grown man. Then there was

16:13

Wes Welker adding

16:15

some color to the series here

16:17

as well. He told Tom

16:19

Brady, you know Tom, he very

16:21

easily could have been like, alright Bill, screw

16:24

you man, play somebody else week one. I

16:26

personally talked to Tom and was like, you're

16:28

basically like an abused dog. You just sit

16:30

there, tail between your legs and

16:32

you just keep on coming back. So

16:35

we're back here with Michael Hawley and Tom Curran. I

16:38

felt as though those quotes

16:40

and especially from Matthew Slater who we know

16:42

has had a good

16:44

relationship as far as we know with Bill Belichick for

16:46

a long time. To say some of those things, not

16:48

anymore, to me is almost

16:51

boiling down into two or three sentences

16:54

the real crux of the issue for Brady and

16:56

Bill Belichick. If he felt like he wasn't being

16:58

respected as a guy who had established himself

17:00

as the greatest player of all time, that

17:03

would cause a rift. Yeah and that's what's hard is

17:05

you know as we're reporting it we are as individuals

17:08

taking it through the filter of the

17:10

people who might be involved or close

17:12

to the people involved and

17:14

as a result we don't have it

17:17

from the horse's mouth on the

17:19

record. There were plenty of instances where

17:21

I was told whether it be Brady

17:23

himself or Gronk, this is tough. But

17:26

hearing teammates who are

17:28

otherwise very solidly, Bill

17:30

admirers and devotees say it was over

17:32

the line, is really instructive

17:34

and helps to amplify that this is

17:36

not a crusade against

17:39

Bill. It is laying out

17:41

this is how it was. It really

17:44

worked well for a long time but when

17:46

Bill had had enough of Tom he made

17:48

like really hard for him. Tom that's the

17:50

issue. I mean that really just said it

17:52

that's what it comes down to. Bill decided

17:55

that it was enough and

17:57

it's the irony is Bill as a

18:00

That coach was always mocking

18:03

the, hey, do what they do

18:05

franchises. Those coordinators, those head coaches

18:07

do what they do. Those who are not adaptable.

18:10

He made a lot of money just

18:12

dominating those guys. But yet, in this

18:14

situation where he rightly planned for life

18:16

after a 37-year-old quarterback, that's smart business.

18:18

You got to plan for that guy.

18:20

You don't know when that guy is

18:22

going to just implode.

18:26

But when it was clear that it wasn't going

18:28

to happen with Tom Brady, he refused to adjust

18:30

and he just made up his mind that Brady

18:33

couldn't stay anymore. Even though there was

18:35

tremendous evidence to the contrary that Brady

18:37

was at the top of his game,

18:39

Bill wouldn't get off his original position.

18:42

And that's where the conflict, that's where

18:44

the tension, as Crab

18:46

pointed out, from tension to

18:48

dysfunction happened. And it feels as though, Tom,

18:51

given the up-to-date interview that

18:53

we saw with Bill Belichick during

18:55

this episode, he hasn't

18:57

moved all that far off the spot. Now, we believe that

19:00

Tom Brady and Bill Belichick are in a much better place

19:02

now. But

19:04

at one point, he's asked about Brady's performance in

19:06

that Super Bowl against the Atlanta Falcons. He says,

19:08

well, Tom's performance is like anybody else's. It's a

19:10

function of what's around him. Not

19:14

many people could have done what Tom Brady could have

19:16

done, especially at that point in

19:18

his career. I would say,

19:20

as a viewer, that nobody could have done what

19:22

Tom Brady did at that point against Breyer. And

19:25

he is unbelievable. And that would be a good point

19:27

to throw Tom Brady his flowers, and he shows not

19:29

to. Yeah, I think they're at a point now where

19:31

they understand each other. And I think that Brady is

19:33

very much conciliatory. It says, as he said in the

19:35

first episode, it was perfect. Why do we have to

19:38

change it? Because there

19:40

were going to be some eggs broken in making

19:42

the beautiful omelet that was this dynasty. So

19:45

I think they've moved past that. But in the real time

19:47

of it, it was constantly

19:49

Brady looking for approval

19:51

and affection that wasn't forthcoming, which then

19:54

got spun to Skyes the Diva. He

19:56

wants everything. And finally, that's what led

19:58

to the post-twit. 2016,

20:00

once he's won his fifth Super Bowl, we're ready to say, you know

20:03

what? I keep doing it his way. I

20:06

keep my profile low. I don't

20:08

worry about Tom. It's time

20:10

to worry about Tom a little bit. And that's what happened

20:12

after 2016. And he was

20:14

the opposite of a diva. But we

20:16

talk about kids, it's like any other kid who's

20:18

looking for approval. I'm doing the right

20:21

things. And you still, you aren't, I'm doing

20:23

the right things, but you're not saying the right things, parent.

20:26

Okay, how do I get your attention? I won't

20:28

do the right things in your eyes. And

20:31

I'll turn it around. And

20:33

maybe now you'll pay attention to what I'm

20:35

doing. And that's what happened. Build and respond.

20:37

He never responded when Brady was doing everything.

20:39

Brady speaking to the team after the 2007

20:41

defeat to the Giants, first meeting of 2008,

20:47

he stands there and he's crying. He's

20:49

imploring the offensive line, controlling

20:53

the huddle. All these great quarterback traits

20:55

that you want from a franchise quarterback

20:57

gets no love from Bill Belichick. He

20:59

doesn't get Bill Belichick's attention until Tom,

21:01

he doesn't show up for

21:04

OTAs. And now Bill

21:06

really has a hair across

21:08

his and the relationship

21:10

gets even worse. To

21:12

me, I think one of the most

21:14

interesting things about the Brady Belichick relationship

21:17

is the way in which Brady

21:19

finally self-actualized. And

21:22

I think it's also fair to look at this and say

21:25

Bill built the team a certain way. But

21:27

by 2015, 2014 even, 15, 16, 17, he now had on his hands a super team. And

21:34

someone once said to me within the organization this

21:36

year, Bill would rather take Navy and beat Notre

21:38

Dame than take Notre Dame and win a national

21:40

championship. That's kind of, and look,

21:42

I have this overwhelming favorite. What

21:44

do I do with this thing? I like it

21:46

better when I'm just trying to outsmart people. This

21:49

episode does a great job of using the Jimmy

21:51

Garoppolo draft pick. Again, another press conference we were

21:53

there for. You're asking great questions. Bill Belichick after

21:55

the fact and framing that as

21:57

how the psychology of this relationship

22:00

evolved over time and we got a great

22:02

quote from Robert Kraft discussing Bill Belichick being

22:04

prepared to move on from Brady as early

22:07

as 2014. Quote,

22:09

I think Bill thought Tommy was starting to lose

22:11

it. I remember Bill used to show

22:13

me different statistics. Tommy's throws over 20 yards were

22:15

ranked near the lowest in the league and Bill

22:18

said we have to be ready to

22:20

move on. Tom, what I want to ask you is,

22:23

do you feel as though Bill Belichick

22:25

would have moved on had that Falcon

22:27

Super Bowl not played out the way

22:29

he did or it did? The way

22:31

it was playing out? Yes. When

22:33

Tom Brady throws a pick, a

22:35

pick six to Jay Alford I believe it was, might

22:37

be I have the wrong guy, Robert Alford. Jay Alford

22:39

was 2007 Super Bowl. One

22:42

of the biggest hits we've ever seen on Brady.

22:45

At that point you have a hole

22:47

that Tom Brady helped dig. If it goes on that way

22:49

and they lose 41 to 10 and

22:53

Jimmy Garoppolo's got an expiring contract and

22:55

Tom just pooped himself on the Super

22:57

Bowl and you have to

22:59

now try and think how you're gonna have Tom under

23:01

the cap. I think it could have changed

23:04

the entire arc of the organization. I think that

23:06

Bill had his smoking gun to present to Robert.

23:08

He did it in the Super Bowl now. It's

23:10

not just 20 yards downfield or more than where

23:13

he's weak. We watched it and

23:15

instead you watched the greatest performance by a

23:17

quarterback in Super Bowl history. Yeah, you know

23:19

it's interesting. Just quickly, yeah, Brady wasn't

23:22

great with the pick six but the defense was

23:24

getting the defense looks slow was getting torched. That

23:26

was kind of like foreshadowing of what the problem

23:28

was with the Patriots defense. They were not playing

23:30

at the same speed as the Atlanta Falcons. But

23:33

of course, Bill, if you have an agenda that a

23:35

guy has to go, you focus on that negative and

23:38

not that the totality of it all. Do you disagree

23:40

with that? Do you think that Brady even he had

23:42

had over a 12 game ball.

23:44

He was at the P of that season, I believe, and I

23:46

don't think Robert Kraft would have allowed it. I don't think

23:48

he would have allowed it either, but I think you would

23:50

have been helping. But Matt Ryan ended up putting it. We

23:53

have to hit on what was maybe the highlight

23:55

of episodes seven and eight. This quote from Scott

23:58

Pioli. You guys both know Scott Pioli really well.

24:00

Well, recalling the feeling in the room when the

24:02

Falcons had that 28-3 lead over the Patriots, and

24:06

he says, quote, all the folks I'm working with,

24:08

they're high-fiving. It's out of control. But I was

24:10

a mess. I felt this nervousness. And as

24:12

I'm sitting there, someone slaps me on the back and says,

24:15

come on, Scott, lighten up. You

24:17

got to enjoy this moment. And I just erupted. And

24:19

I whipped around and I said, you weapon people, you

24:21

don't get it. That guy number

24:23

12 across the field, he's pretty epic. Kruger. He's

24:26

coming back. He's going to get a bunch of them.

24:29

I just hope he doesn't get us all.

24:33

Did he actually say this is what I want

24:35

to know? Because that is one of the most

24:37

dramatic moments in NFL history in terms of the

24:39

behind the scenes stuff that we don't get to

24:41

see in real time. I'm going to say this.

24:43

Jeffrey Wright is nominated for an Oscar this weekend.

24:46

Paul Giamatti, Scott Pioli, on

24:48

a list too, is a

24:50

great dramatic retelling. I

24:52

don't believe Scott said it exactly like that.

24:56

Scott is right. He probably did erupt. And he said

24:58

some things I can't say right here on NBC

25:00

Sports Boss. I don't know if they

25:02

were as poetic as that, but I'm sure he did. In

25:05

all seriousness, he knew he has great respect for

25:07

Brady. And at that time, he's an assistant GM

25:09

of the Falcons. And he knows, don't get comfortable

25:11

around Brady. So I'm sure he told

25:13

some people off and it was pretty profane.

25:15

You know, I think it's interesting too, when

25:17

we look at these two episodes, one focuses

25:20

on a controversy, a

25:23

witch hunt and the fallout from that. But

25:25

you don't see a lot of that incredible Super Bowl, which I think might

25:27

have been the best ever in 2014. And

25:29

then so much of this focuses on the Brady and

25:32

Belichick and Garoppolo situation. I

25:34

think this is where it's hard for Patriots

25:37

fans who've seen America's game and do your

25:39

job and everything else, who probably watched this

25:41

and say, well, this is an

25:43

Us Magazine National Enquirer headlines only situation.

25:47

And I could see the gripe. Yeah,

25:50

you know what? I would say the filmmakers

25:52

never promised us a

25:54

step-by-step retelling of the dynasty. I

25:56

wanted it, but

25:59

they didn't promise that. This is based on a

26:01

book and that's the key. Based

26:03

on, and I think they just went through

26:05

the story lines, America enjoys it, Phil. Maybe

26:07

New England wants a little bit

26:09

more in the weeds football. Hopefully our viewers are

26:11

enjoying this show. We've got one more. Next week

26:14

we're talking episodes 9 and 10. We'll

26:16

see you here Friday, 6 o'clock.