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what's up everybody? Welcome into

0:55

Tom Curren's Patriot Stock Podcast.

0:58

Bow hair on my microphone.

1:00

We'll discard that. Phil

1:03

Perry will join in just a moment. Today, what are we

1:05

going to get into? We're going to talk a little bit

1:07

about that Brady roast. Calvin Anderson,

1:09

we have a little more intel

1:12

on what exactly his illness

1:14

was last year and his hopes for

1:17

2024. The football Poo-bah

1:19

search, rookie minicamp,

1:22

and the much anticipated schedule release

1:24

for 2024. Let's start with that

1:26

football Poo-bah search. Patriots,

1:30

as Phil and I reported at the

1:33

end of January, are going to have

1:35

an open search, and the Patriots talked

1:37

about that openly. For

1:39

their new personnel head. Now, speaking

1:44

to Robert Kraft about this publicly and

1:46

privately, I

1:48

kind of said, why are you doing that? Why

1:50

are you going to let a guy run

1:52

the draft, run

1:54

free agency, and then turn

1:57

around in May or June and start opening up

1:59

a GM search. And

2:03

I wasn't really given a plausible reason, but

2:05

my understanding at the time was, just based

2:07

on connecting the dots, was

2:09

the Patriots had to satisfy the Rooney Rule.

2:12

Well, as it turns out, Jonathan Jones from

2:15

CBS reports the Patriots have indeed begun this

2:18

open interviewing process for a new

2:20

GM. Ben

2:24

Volin reports that the Patriots have actually

2:26

satisfied the Rooney Rule already. So if

2:28

we're to believe Ben's reporting,

2:31

why in God's name are they doing a

2:33

search, when it's

2:35

pretty clear Elliott Wolf is going

2:38

to be the GM, as Phil

2:40

mentioned yesterday, people he had talked

2:42

to confirming again, Elliott Wolf's the guy. Now

2:45

the Patriots have individuals from

2:47

around the league who are saying, you know

2:49

what, we don't want to take that interview. You

2:52

know, it's the sham interview stuff that Brian Flores

2:55

brought a lawsuit against the NFL about. So

2:59

the individuals are Trey Brown from the

3:01

Bengals and the Cardinals VP

3:03

of player personnel Quentin Harris. Both have turned down interviews

3:05

with the Patriots. So to me, I'm like, what are

3:07

you doing? What's the

3:09

exercise? What's the point? I

3:12

just can't get behind the whole goofiness

3:14

of this exercise of

3:16

having people in after you've already sailed out

3:18

with a different captain. So to me,

3:20

what benefit does it serve the Patriots? It's not

3:22

going to matter in wins and losses in September

3:25

and October, but what do

3:27

you need a headline out there for that? This guy

3:29

doesn't want to come in and talk to you about

3:31

your football, pool, bowl opportunity. It doesn't do you any

3:33

good. It doesn't help you. I mean, they'll survive. It's

3:35

not going to hurt the wins and losses, but it's

3:37

just a little head shake and an eyebrow race.

3:41

What is you doing? Now we bring

3:43

in the Senator Phil Perry, who is down

3:45

for Patriots access today with Damario Douglas and

3:47

Christian Gonzalez. God, he looks good.

3:49

He looks like a Kennedy. Hey, guy. Hey,

3:52

Tom. What's up? So

4:00

we got no pop yet. So

4:03

I'm here with you. Shoeing

4:05

our pop Douglas opportunity just to be

4:07

with you, my friend. I appreciate you. What

4:11

to make of the Patriots logic behind having

4:13

this executive search after having

4:15

already gone through this off

4:17

season, especially when Ben Volin's reporting that they've already

4:19

satisfied the Rooney rule. Yeah,

4:22

interesting report there because I believe

4:25

Jonathan Jones reported yesterday that they had only

4:27

just begun the search and. It's

4:30

my understanding with the Rooney rule. It's

4:32

got to be two external minority

4:35

candidates in person who

4:37

have to be interviewed. So maybe

4:39

they got the word out earlier

4:41

than indications had been

4:43

given to us and they've already passed a few people through

4:46

the building here, but we

4:48

know of a couple of spurnings

4:52

I guess interviewed. Yeah, Trey Brown and Quentin

4:54

Harris. They both said, yeah, no, thanks. Yeah,

4:56

thanks, but no, thanks. And I get it,

4:58

right? I mean, it is

5:00

so widely viewed, Tom, based on the people

5:03

that I've spoken to, people who would

5:06

be well aware of what's going on with the situation

5:08

right now. It is so widely viewed that

5:10

this is Elliott Wolf's job. I

5:12

think outside of just getting the experience, which

5:15

there's something to be said for that, but outside of that, I'm

5:18

not really sure why you would interview for the

5:20

job if you have an understanding already that the

5:23

job's going to someone else. So

5:25

this is a source of frustration for a

5:27

lot of different people, whether it's executives, head

5:29

coaches. The Rooney rule is

5:33

there with good intentions, but it also

5:35

leads to, at times, situations

5:38

where people feel as though their time is being

5:40

wasted. And I think that's why some of the

5:42

people that have been invited to interview have opted

5:44

not to. Yeah, which is in essence,

5:46

when it comes down to it, a part of

5:48

what the Brian Flores lawsuit brought against the NFL

5:50

is all about to

5:53

a great extent. The sham nature of these

5:55

interviews, but I'll say this

5:57

over the course of. years,

6:00

Bill Belichick more than earned the

6:02

right with unconventional ideas and

6:05

actions that worked out in the end

6:07

where you eventually suspend a disbelief. Yeah,

6:10

he knows more than me. He knows better than I do. I

6:12

mean, that's how the whole indoor we trust mantra

6:15

came into play. Cut

6:18

Jamie Collins, trade Jamie Collins, fine. Trade

6:21

Logan, Manchin's fine. It'll work out.

6:23

It always does.

6:27

But I don't see that level of

6:29

I just don't see the upside, didn't

6:31

see the upside in those, don't see

6:33

the upside in going through this exercise.

6:36

You're not releasing a player or moving on from a player,

6:38

but it's harder for me

6:40

to suspend disbelief and

6:42

say it'll all work out when I can't see

6:44

the point. Yeah,

6:46

and Tom, you're not the only one. I've

6:50

spoken to people in the

6:53

last 24 hours that

6:56

have basically said, why again did

6:58

they wait until now

7:00

to do this? Why couldn't they do this when everyone

7:02

else was doing it? And what I was told at

7:04

the time was, well, it's

7:06

too much. It's just all

7:08

too much for all this to all happen at

7:10

the same time. It's just a little too much.

7:13

Bill Belichick's gone. Jerod Mayo's taking over. Well,

7:16

pointed out to me by people

7:19

in the league, they

7:22

didn't even go through a real head coaching search. There

7:24

are teams all the time that go through both of these searches

7:26

in one off season in January. And

7:29

yeah, is it a lot? Is there a lot to do? Is there

7:31

a lot to get accomplished? Sure. But

7:34

the Patriots checked one box

7:37

by having it written in Jerod Mayo's contract that he

7:40

was going to succeed Bill Belichick as head coach. So

7:42

they didn't even have to worry about a head coaching

7:44

interview. So I

7:46

think there are people in football now who

7:49

look at it and say that excuse of,

7:51

wow, we just didn't want to do too much all at the same

7:53

time as an illegitimate one

7:56

because they had plenty of time to go

7:58

through a proper process at the end. at the

8:00

more typical time and they opted

8:03

not to. And now, listen,

8:05

if they're getting criticized, whether it's in the league or

8:07

in the media, et cetera, like I

8:09

think it's fair, because the timing of this does not

8:11

make much sense at all. Yeah. And especially

8:13

in the wake of Bill Belichick, who again,

8:16

over the course of 2000 to 2017, oozed

8:22

competency. You don't want

8:24

to get into this period of time. And

8:28

Bill still lived on that oozing of competency,

8:30

even though there were occasions he couldn't

8:32

find his ass with both hands in the

8:34

last seven years. But, see that as

8:36

it may, this is

8:39

oozing incompetency. When

8:41

you don't have a head coaching search, and fine,

8:43

Mayo is your guy from Jump Street, that's fine.

8:45

And you're not going to have an executive search

8:48

because you think everybody's been muzzled and it's too

8:50

much to bring in foreign

8:52

ideas post-Bill. Those

8:56

aren't persuasive reasons. I

8:59

believe you when you say Mayo's the right guy. I

9:02

believe you when you say Elliott Wolf

9:04

is highly competent and we're wildly

9:07

impressed with all he's doing. But

9:10

that's not exactly kicking over every stone to make sure that you

9:12

continue to hit the ground running. This is a team that is

9:14

31 and 44 since the middle of 2019. It's

9:19

one of the worst teams in the league at this juncture. So,

9:23

for their sake, hoping that this unconventional way of

9:27

doing things works out. But again, they

9:29

have thrown out the instruction manual. It's

9:33

gone and they're just kind of working off-site.

9:38

And I think it's just that, again, just to reiterate, the

9:42

timing is just odd. Could they not

9:44

be able to do that? The timing is just

9:46

odd. There's no, could they not have just done

9:48

this, even if it is a dogged pony show,

9:51

could they not have done this in January? When

9:53

you had, we would have had more people willing

9:55

to interview at that point because it would have looked

9:58

and felt like more of a. legitimate process

10:00

even if you felt like at the time it's

10:02

too much to change everything okay go into it

10:04

with the idea that you're gonna just stick

10:07

with Elliot Wolf and he's gonna be the guy but at

10:09

least go through it at that point not only does it

10:11

do you favors as an organization does Elliot Wolf favors it

10:15

makes him a more legitimate person

10:17

when he's sitting in that seat with a new

10:19

title going through free agency going through the draft

10:22

and you're

10:24

not dealing with the optics

10:27

issues that you're dealing with now

10:29

that's all yeah and I mean having

10:31

asked Robert Kraft directly why in God's name would

10:33

you do that I wasn't

10:36

really afforded a great answer was more of a well

10:38

what would you do like basically

10:40

said not that I'd

10:42

hire the guy be

10:44

that as a man let's

10:48

skip on down now to the

10:50

Brady roast and it actually dovetails kind

10:52

of neatly because I think

10:54

that this

10:57

is again Robert Kraft's a great owner but this

10:59

is an instance of him wanting to have his

11:02

cake and eat it too at the Brady roast

11:04

not so much with hey please Tom

11:06

make sure that I'm not having a million massage

11:09

and workers of Hawaii jokes work it's

11:11

of Asia Asia

11:14

or Hawaii we had

11:16

no kids of Hawaii in Lakeville just close

11:18

great place be that as a man that's

11:21

the third be that as a man for with

11:27

that it's not him trying

11:29

to have his way with that I don't blame him Tom

11:32

you want me to come up come but they're gonna kill me

11:34

for the massage stuff no no I'll tell him not

11:36

to say anything so I get that it's

11:40

if Kevin Hart calls you

11:42

up for a cringy

11:44

toast read

11:47

the landscape of what just went

11:49

on with Bill and

11:51

don't lean into the microphone and

11:54

give an over-the-top flowery

11:56

salute to the man they get

11:58

just fired Go

12:01

along, understand that Bill's uncomfortable with it, give

12:03

him a pat on the shoulder, a sheepish

12:06

grin, and get back. Don't say how great

12:08

he is when you just fired him. I

12:11

think that was what made Bill's face kind of go, he didn't

12:13

want to do it in the first place. He

12:15

gets up there and has to see that and knows he's

12:18

going to go home and wonder where his unemployment check is.

12:20

You can't imagine he filed for an employment. But don't

12:23

do that. You can't have it both ways. Phil?

12:27

You can't. Leave it alone.

12:29

What are you hoping for

12:32

in that instance? I

12:35

don't know. You're almost three

12:38

hours into the event. Just

12:40

sort of let your inhibitions go and say whatever

12:42

is moving you at the moment. It didn't feel

12:45

like there's a whole lot of pre-planning going

12:47

on there at that point in time. This

12:51

is what I'm going to say. If I get the opportunity,

12:53

if I don't, I'm not going to force it. It

12:57

didn't felt all that calculated.

13:00

Just know how the other guy is going to feel. Just

13:03

know how the other guy is going to feel if you dip

13:05

your head into the mic and tell everybody how unbelievable he is.

13:09

Have, read the

13:11

room. Meanwhile,

13:14

further on the Brady roast, less

13:16

on the jokes which were enjoyable, offensive,

13:21

over the top, beyond any

13:23

realm of – like there were things in

13:25

there I wouldn't say to you in privacy,

13:28

like that kind of vein of just meanness.

13:31

God bless. We

13:34

get after each other. But the

13:36

notion of hatchet-burying between

13:39

Bill and Tom that continues to rise every

13:41

time either one of them says something nice

13:44

about it. I don't get it. I

13:46

mean, it's like the sixth hatchet burial that we have

13:49

to go through where people say, say they love each

13:51

other. We know they love each other. The

13:53

hatchet was buried in September of 2021. Every

13:56

time they're in the same room, we don't have to talk

13:59

about say, say, say, say. We

14:02

already have reams of evidence that it was

14:04

dysfunctional and probably worse than we knew. Tom's

14:07

passed it. Bill is probably really happy

14:09

that Tom has passed it, and

14:12

they live happily, happily forever

14:15

after with each thing they've given each other.

14:20

Am I preaching to the choir or just beating

14:22

a dead horse? Well,

14:24

no, I think you're right. I think you're preaching

14:26

against the beating of said dead horse. I

14:29

think that's what you're doing here, which I

14:31

totally understand. I think it's just – I

14:34

think the Dynasty docuseries Tom plays

14:37

a huge part in how

14:39

this thing was received because it

14:41

did seem to drudge

14:43

up a variety

14:45

of emotions for fans. And

14:48

looking back at just how difficult it was

14:51

at times for these guys and how they may

14:53

have felt for each other, even though within that

14:55

series you have Tom Brady practically in tears saying

14:57

it was perfect. It was perfect with the way

14:59

it should have gone, and essentially

15:02

he's telling us that the hatchet has been

15:04

buried. But I think after a lot

15:06

of people had the opportunity to

15:08

watch that whole series and then they see this again, it

15:11

is cathartic for fans. I don't

15:13

think it is for them, but

15:16

I think it is for fans. Truth

15:18

was spoken in jest a few times, which is

15:20

great, which was great. Bill

15:24

took out a grievance with Danny Amendola because even if he

15:26

didn't watch the series, it certainly got back to old Danny

15:28

– excuse me, old Bill –

15:30

that Danny had been a dink to him and

15:32

gave him a critical review of

15:34

one star on Yelp. We

15:38

worked for Bill, but we played for Tom. Right,

15:41

that's a tough one. And

15:43

I think the truth was a whole stoke in

15:45

jest where if you hit Bill with the truth

15:47

serum, say, look, it was me and

15:49

it was Tom, but it was because of me. He's

15:52

right! I've said

15:54

a million times, 2010 to 2019 was Tom Brady. He

15:58

was 70-30. the

16:00

driver, but it was probably 70 30,

16:03

build to Tom and definitely 90

16:05

10 build to

16:07

Tom from 2000 to 2005. And

16:12

then Tom took over the second half of the decade.

16:14

Then he really took over the next one, but it's

16:16

because of Bill that it happened. Because

16:18

he drafted him, brought him in, coached him up, believed

16:21

in him, had the right coaches in place, made the

16:23

choice to go with them in the first place when

16:25

blood. So it gets hurt. Yeah. I

16:28

think that's all, I think that's all completely fair. Yeah,

16:30

it's completely fair. It does. It does. There's

16:33

a little hint of like, okay,

16:37

well you are the guy who always

16:39

used to say that, you know, coaches lose

16:41

games, players win them, right? So I'm

16:44

not saying he shouldn't be taking credit. He obviously should

16:46

get credit, but it felt like that was

16:48

one of his messages was that he didn't want credit at

16:51

the time, at least publicly. That's something that he would say. So

16:53

then little, um,

16:57

but that was the truth. He knows,

16:59

I know, you know, we all know the

17:01

Patriots of 2000 went through a five and

17:04

11 season and started the next year, oh, and

17:06

two, but they survived

17:09

because of Bill, Bill

17:11

going to Tom, you don't have

17:14

in the balls to bench through Bill doing

17:16

all the things that he did and Peole

17:18

and everybody else, but, um, it

17:20

is, it's funny to hear both guys wanting

17:23

their flowers now, even though

17:25

with the roast, I get it. I

17:27

get it. But there's, again, there is, there is some

17:29

truth to everything that these people were saying. So

17:31

Bill saying, because of me, Tom leaning into

17:33

the fact that he's the goat when he

17:36

for a long, long time, wanted to stiff

17:38

arm that word anytime he heard it. Cause

17:40

it just made him uncomfortable. A

17:43

little time passes and everybody wants to

17:45

be appreciated. We're all wired

17:47

similarly. It was funny

17:49

too, because there was a point at which

17:51

Belichick said that he ran out of time

17:54

to praise Brady. And Brady's

17:56

expression and nodding and putting his eyebrows up was

17:59

like, yeah, well. Status

18:02

quo. I mean, they were true to themselves,

18:04

but they were true to the fact that

18:06

I've been with this person for 25 years. I

18:09

know how he is. It's like when someone

18:11

busts my balls about being overly

18:13

emotional and combustible, that's

18:16

okay. I know how I am. Right,

18:18

Joe? I don't know what you're

18:20

talking about. Fair enough. Hey, good

18:22

news on the Calvin Anderson front. We now

18:24

know what his ailment was. I think that's

18:26

good. Because now we

18:28

know it wasn't an injury, a

18:31

vertebrae, anything like that. He had an

18:33

illness. He had malaria. Would

18:36

have been good intel to have as we were

18:38

heaping him into the free agent failures throughout

18:41

last season, but injuries are not something

18:43

we talk about nor malaria. I

18:45

guess infectious diseases fall under that umbrella as

18:47

well. Can't

18:50

be allowing other teams to know that you

18:52

had malaria after traveling to Africa. You never

18:54

know what kind of competitive disadvantage that could

18:56

put the team into. Do

18:59

you think Calvin Anderson can have an impact at

19:01

a tackle position this year? I

19:03

had him on my 53-man roster when I did

19:05

my roster projection last week. He

19:07

is somebody who had a position where they need help. I

19:10

think if he's healthy, give them help. I

19:13

mean, he was in position to potentially start for them

19:15

last year until this all went down. Now,

19:18

does that mean he is a bona fide, established

19:21

end of the line path protector?

19:23

No, but he has played

19:25

a fair amount of football and

19:28

at a professional level, which is more

19:30

than a lot of guys in the roster could say

19:32

right now at that position. So

19:39

if he's healthy, that has the potential

19:41

to be important for

19:43

this year's team. I will say that I am not

19:45

ruling out that he plays and plays a lot for

19:47

the Patriots this year. Turkey Minicamp,

19:49

to me this weekend, we have one

19:51

day of access and what will be

19:54

interesting to observe for me is who

19:56

is closest to Drake Bay

19:59

and the division of West

20:01

Virginia? between McAdoo, McCartney, and

20:04

Alex Van Pelt. That's

20:07

a good one. I like that one because you've

20:09

got two legitimate quarterback

20:11

whisperers there and a first-time quarterback's

20:14

coach. I wonder, you know, the other

20:16

thing that is just

20:18

so fascinating about this for me is that what

20:21

we have seen here in New England for

20:24

many years, Tom, is that the established offensive

20:27

coordinator sort of takes the starter. Takes

20:30

the starting quarterback and runs the

20:32

offense with that guy. When

20:34

the quarterback's coach or the assistant quarterback's coach, whether

20:36

it's Jerry Shiplinski or Bo Hardigree or anybody else,

20:38

sort of gets the younger guy, Evan Rothstein, you

20:41

could throw him in there. Gets

20:43

the younger player, the newer player to get them, to

20:46

get their feet wet, get them up to speed. And

20:49

I wonder if that's

20:51

how it will look with TC

20:54

McCartney and Alex Van Pelt slash Bob

20:56

McAdoo, although Tom, the guy you

20:58

need to get most up

21:00

to speed is the guy you

21:02

just invested the third overall pick in. So you give a

21:04

Jacobi Percet to Alex Van Pelt and then it's just Drake

21:07

May and Joe Milton off to

21:09

the side with TC McCartney. I'm not

21:11

sure that's a great idea either. So I love

21:13

that little storyline for us to

21:16

track. It's not a little one, but that's what we should

21:18

be watching when we get to the- And that's why I

21:20

think the presence of McAdoo is good. You

21:23

know, TC McCartney can be there, but

21:25

McAdoo is on the

21:27

earlobe of Drake May. Yes,

21:30

here's what we're doing. So. We've

21:37

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fantastic. You've

22:35

been outside, you look great. I can't believe the audio

22:37

is as good as it was. I'm going to let

22:39

you free. Okay. And

22:42

we're going to run some old Gerard

22:45

Mayo from Quickslance, the podcast, and the

22:47

Patriot Stock podcast. As you know,

22:50

Patriot's head coach Gerard Mayo

22:52

was a long-time co-host,

22:56

guest for Quickslance. We had him on the pod

22:58

a ton back in the

23:00

day. So let's roll back the

23:02

clock, dip

23:05

into the treasure trove of Gerard Mayo, and

23:08

look at the November 16th, 2016

23:10

podcast that we put out in the wake

23:12

of Jamie Collins

23:15

having been traded on Halloween and the Patriots

23:17

winning a game out

23:20

in San Francisco against the,

23:22

at that time, undermanned and overmatched

23:25

49ers. There

23:27

was a lot of talk about leadership and

23:31

the direction of the Patriots locker room at that time. So

23:35

we talked to Gerard about his

23:37

feelings on how Bill would deal

23:39

with that and got some intel on

23:41

how Gerard would. Bill made me second year in the

23:43

league. I was the only captain during preseason, which was

23:45

awkward in itself, but it kind of molded me into

23:47

the- So you're out there by yourself for the- I

23:49

was out there by myself. I was out there by

23:51

myself. You want to kick the ball? You

23:54

want to receive? I would ask about five times before the game

23:56

because I was scared. I didn't have any- I didn't have any-

23:58

I didn't want to screw it up. It was preseason by a

24:00

sit-in when it screwed up. So

24:03

this is nothing new as far as when things aren't

24:05

going well, this is start to question leadership and things

24:07

like that. But you're right. Hightower is the guy. Devin's

24:10

the guy in the back end. I think

24:12

guys look to them for support

24:14

and for guidance. Geron, I'm

24:17

wondering, because right now, with all

24:19

of these things that have happened, whether it's

24:21

the Collins trade, the branch suspension, I think

24:23

there are some people who wonder, has either

24:25

with some of these moves or just by

24:28

the fact of who he is, has Belichick

24:30

quote unquote lost the locker room. That's

24:32

something I've heard a couple of times over the last week or so. What

24:36

makes players want to play

24:38

for Bill? Is that

24:40

something that even factors into the equation?

24:43

Are players just expected to be so

24:45

self-motivated that that doesn't factor in? I

24:48

think winning games. Guys, they

24:50

love winning games. And to win games in

24:52

this league, even against a San Francisco 49er

24:54

team, it was terrible. It's still hard to

24:57

do. But I tell

24:59

guys all the time, if you love to play football and

25:01

you don't always need that pat on the back, then you're

25:04

going to be one of Bill's guys. There

25:06

was a player. I'm

25:09

trying to think. Would he be Hall of Fame? He might.

25:11

I don't know. He's borderline. He

25:13

came here free age. I'm not going to say

25:15

his name. But I remember in the cafeteria during

25:17

training camp, and he

25:20

made a couple of plays and practiced during training camp.

25:22

And he came to me. I said, Gerat, why

25:26

doesn't Bill say anything to me when I make a

25:28

play, like, good job or something like that? I said,

25:30

you know what? Honestly, if you're doing

25:32

your job and we hear it all the time, he's

25:34

not going to say good job for doing what you're

25:36

supposed to do. He's not. So if you need someone

25:38

to pat you on your back every five seconds, this

25:40

isn't the place for you. Now, as far as Bill

25:43

being out of touch with the locker room, he's

25:47

never been the type of guy to

25:49

just hang out in the locker room.

25:51

There is a hierarchy there, which I could always

25:53

appreciate. This is my coach. I would always treat

25:56

a coach with the utmost respect. That's just how

25:58

I was raised. Everyone's not

26:00

raised the same way, especially through the football ranks

26:02

or through sporting ranks. I

26:04

would always hold coaches to the highest team. But

26:06

what happens is, so Bill is a

26:09

coach and I think he's from the

26:11

old school mentality where I

26:13

wouldn't say like, I'm not your friend,

26:16

but this is a coach player relationship.

26:18

Boss employee. Exactly. And that's how

26:20

it is. So he relies on

26:22

you. He relies on the captains. So

26:25

this is what it is. He would

26:27

rely. So Bill, he would

26:29

have these captains meetings. Sometimes he

26:31

would have meetings before, on a Friday or sometime

26:33

during the week. He would tell us the message

26:35

and I say us, I mean the captains, he

26:37

would give us the message, right? And

26:40

it was our job as a captain

26:42

to translate that message to some of these other

26:44

guys who really wouldn't be able to understand it

26:46

coming from Bill. You see what I'm saying?

26:48

Because it's a different level of just understanding

26:50

of the game and what we need, what

26:52

we needed to do to win the game.

26:54

Do you think at this point in time,

26:57

not to sound like, you know, I'm a

26:59

contemporary of some of the players that are still in

27:01

that locker room, but it feels like that's

27:06

an old school mentality in an age where

27:08

an old school mentality may not resonate with

27:10

players as much anymore. Are

27:12

there more and more players, in your opinion, that

27:16

need that pat on the back every once in a while

27:18

or need a little more? Definitely. And

27:21

that killed me in my latter

27:23

years, I guess. I only played eight years. But it

27:25

was like, you know, I really

27:28

don't get into social media. Like I wasn't, you know,

27:30

I don't send out tweets or things like that. But

27:32

that was like the thing. And like the camaraderie would

27:35

kind of change because guys would just run to the

27:37

locker and check their phones. It was like, but this

27:39

is where it would become a problem

27:41

is when a guy would come in the locker room

27:43

and he's down and I was like, oh, you know,

27:45

moping around the locker room. It was like, what's wrong

27:47

with you? Well, someone tweeted this. And I'm like, how

27:49

do you let Joe Blow sitting on his couch affect

27:52

your entire day? You know, and Bill's

27:54

not into social media as well. You

27:56

know, he you know, what does he call it?

27:59

Twitter face or Twitter face? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

28:01

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Snap face, snap face, stuff like

28:03

that. But it is a different, it's a different era.

28:05

It's way past sports at this point. No doubt,

28:08

it gets into our heads here. I mean, somebody

28:10

says you sucked on that show. I

28:13

did, I did, he's right. He's a prick,

28:15

but he's right. Right. And

28:17

that's just me. And I know you.

28:19

I know you. Senator of the boat. And

28:22

we're good friends. The

28:24

question I have is, it's actually,

28:27

it's easiest to relate stuff to your own situation.

28:30

If somebody irritates my

28:33

boss, Kevin Miller, and there's some kind of fallout

28:35

for him, it doesn't necessarily

28:37

register with me that much

28:39

until it affects my work.

28:42

Because everybody has their own operation. I got my family

28:44

at home. I got my own business I'm

28:46

taking care of. They

28:49

have to take care of their own business as well. As

28:52

close as I might be with them. But

28:54

the only time their business would intrude

28:57

on my businesses is when it affects

28:59

the way they're performing. Definitely. Is

29:01

that how it works in the locker room? Because

29:04

you look at this, well, Jibale Sheer got left

29:06

behind. Patriots still won the game. I don't know

29:08

if Van Doy played as well as Sheer would

29:10

have, or McClellan did, or Flowers did. But

29:13

they're fine. Guys aren't coming to run them

29:15

back and say, Jibale, you all right? All

29:17

right. This is so bad. Yeah. It's not

29:19

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