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Stock Podcast. I got Phil Perry. I have

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Albert Breer. We're in for a rollicking good

0:48

time with a conversation about the three quarterbacks

0:50

most likely to be on the board when

0:53

the Patriots are selecting. Now, one of these guys

0:55

is probably going to go two. We

0:57

don't know which one it's going to be, but it is

0:59

Jaden Daniels, Drake May, and

1:02

JJ McCarthy closing hard on the outside.

1:05

Fellas, are you ready for an objective appraisal

1:07

of each player? I

1:10

don't know. Maybe like the helmet over my

1:12

left shoulder here would say no, but I'll

1:14

be objective. I promise. I

1:17

was going to say I know no other

1:19

way. You're very entrenched on one of the

1:21

quarterbacks. Very, very entrenched. I

1:25

think it's an objective entrenchment though. Right.

1:29

But I now think you're take protective. All right,

1:31

let's start it up here. There's no NFL analyst

1:33

out there that's going to argue that the Patriots

1:35

are better team than the Niners. Some things just

1:38

are what they are. There's police

1:40

tape around Phil's take. It's

1:45

going to be a chalk outline when we're done. All right,

1:47

ladies and gentlemen, let's get into it. We're going to do

1:49

the pros first of each quarterback. I'm going to go first.

1:54

We're going to go pros for each guy. And I'm going

1:56

to do one at a time. JJ

1:58

McCarthy, pros. Okay. Accuracy

2:03

is his

2:06

first pro. I

2:08

think he is as accurate

2:10

as anybody you'll find in the draft.

2:12

Secondarily, fundamentals.

2:16

I think his base, his throwing angles, all

2:18

of it, the way he works under center,

2:20

the way he drops back, the way his

2:23

feet work, that's his second

2:25

one. And then I'm going to do a hybrid

2:27

here so I could sneak in another pro. His

2:30

escapeability slash

2:33

leadership skills. I think he's

2:35

got toughness, agility. He's

2:38

could well be, he's not faster than Jayden

2:40

Daniels, but he might be quicker, at

2:42

least in the same neighborhood as Jayden Daniels.

2:44

So I think he is the most athletic

2:48

and I think he's got a very high floor. Next

2:51

up, who wants it on J.J. McCarthy, three

2:53

pros? I'll go really quickly.

2:57

Intangibles, leader, tough.

3:00

Moxie, winner, like

3:02

NFL team is really going to like that. That's a pro for

3:05

J.J. McCarthy. I think his physical

3:07

traits are all good enough. I

3:09

think his arm is good enough. I think he's

3:12

a good enough athlete. He's good

3:14

enough to throw it on the run when

3:16

it comes to his physical skills. He's not

3:18

going to overwhelm anybody with his physical skills,

3:20

except for maybe Tom Curran, whose look on

3:22

his face is anything but I would say

3:24

objective right now, Bert. He doesn't feel like

3:26

a pro to me. Yeah,

3:28

good enough. Some of the things

3:30

with Mack Jones weren't good enough. I think

3:32

if you're looking to win football games, having

3:34

good enough traits is a pro. OK, you can't have

3:36

a seat on that. The police tape around his McCarthy

3:38

back back at a seat. Yeah. Like

3:41

what are we doing here? This is

3:43

my objective. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Last

3:45

thing in

3:47

high leverage situations. Third

3:51

and six plus, he

3:53

has both the

3:55

best adjusted yards per attempt

3:58

so that Increases.

4:01

The. Importance of things like touchdowns and

4:03

increases the odd that that and negative

4:06

of things like. Interception

4:08

so adjusted yards per attempt. The

4:11

best of all of the top four quarterbacks

4:13

in this year's draft. And

4:15

the lowest sacked percentage on third and

4:18

six or longer the lowest sacked percentage

4:20

of any the top four quarterbacks in

4:22

this your stress. So third down, Money.

4:25

Down. You. Can make the

4:27

argument that the results would say he's the

4:29

best in this year's class. On.

4:31

That all important down. So.

4:33

When Phil says money from a table, Bert

4:35

Jj. Mccarthy's a guy you want. And

4:37

whip it Albert, Katie Mccarthy's bros. So

4:40

number one intangibles. I would agree with

4:42

you guys on that. I don't think

4:44

there's any question you know he of

4:47

the quarterbacks and this year's draft have

4:49

been on the biggest stages. Ah, I'm

4:51

you're performing at Michigan, perform against Alabama,

4:53

the Rose Bowl in the National Title

4:56

game. Ah, he elevated a program that

4:58

was already doing really well you know,

5:00

And so I think there's something to

5:02

be said for that like and being

5:05

able to kind of put them over

5:07

the top. And be the

5:09

leader. That sort of changed the

5:11

mentality of that place where. It

5:14

before he got there they were in this

5:16

always where they couldn't beat Ohio State for

5:18

twenty years on that. He wasn't the starter

5:20

for the first one of those wins, but

5:22

he was part of a culture change their

5:24

and help take them up another level over

5:27

the top. So I think the intangibles are

5:29

are all really good. Number two would be

5:31

applicable. Experience. In

5:33

a pro style system and.

5:36

Coming. In and out of a huddle calling applied.

5:38

Playing. Under center playing in a

5:40

shotgun. Ah, The

5:43

stuff that he did at Michigan similar to Mack

5:45

Jones is going to translate over to the Nfl

5:47

were a lot of the stuff the He's warning

5:49

in the Nfl is going to be familiar to

5:51

him because he played for Jim Harbaugh. And

5:54

then number three. I just say

5:56

like the complete athletic package and

5:58

I don't know. It. Feels.

6:01

Arm strength is good enough. his athleticism

6:03

is good that when you put it

6:05

all together as a really good athlete

6:07

their speaks very balance athlete and if

6:09

you watch him play. I did the

6:11

best way to describe him and I

6:13

wash a lot of motor last three

6:15

years is a very loose athlete right?

6:17

So you see the way kind of

6:19

can toward his body and move. He

6:21

just looks very loose and flexible out

6:23

there and that's really importance on your

6:25

for a guy transitioning to the next

6:27

level on because he's going to be

6:29

in those sorts of. Situations at times

6:31

where he is going to have to

6:34

get himself out of trouble. So those

6:36

are be my three prose very good

6:38

I wonder. If. His.

6:42

Lack of reps relative to the

6:44

other guys is mitigated all by.

6:48

Some of those intangibles to mention and.

6:51

Albeit. because that's the main knock which will get

6:54

to but we that knock aside for know if. When.

6:56

I wonder how mitigated that is by the

6:58

bigger games that he's played in the Alabama

7:00

Zero. How states time inconvenience? A What's going

7:03

Drake make. Pros: And cons. Stand

7:06

with problems. Start. Just prose

7:08

for Drake Max. Yep!

7:11

Or the number one for me is is the

7:13

stop the you can see the size, the arm

7:15

strength, That. In the athleticism them.

7:18

Again, when you combine all that stuff together.

7:21

It's. The. Best have any the three

7:23

quarterbacks it will talk about here today. I'm

7:26

in. It gives him. in my opinion, It

7:28

gives him top five. were back in the

7:30

Nfl kind of upside and then use that

7:32

physically gifted. On. My my second

7:34

pro for him. Is what

7:37

I would call. Ah, I'm. Playmaking.

7:41

Ability. Or. Creativity.

7:44

But. Whatever label you want on it. But.

7:47

The. Ability to perform in excel

7:49

out of structure. Is.

7:52

Excellent with him and it's again for me it's

7:54

the best have any the three quarterbacks will talk

7:56

about here today. Guys. Are

7:58

on him. Scramble drills. Jewish

8:00

and off balance situations money

8:02

pockets, There's. Nobody who did better equipped

8:04

to handle that stuff the next level than Drake

8:07

May among the three guys were talking about here.

8:09

And then last thing I'll put it, intangibles it

8:11

because I think he has some of the. Similar.

8:13

Stuff that we're just talking about with Eddie Murphy when

8:15

it comes to football like you energy, toughness or the

8:18

one thing that he does have that I would put

8:20

in this bucket. Of. Intangibles that

8:22

Mccarthy doesn't. his experience in a

8:24

bad situation. And in an

8:26

ability to handle of a bad

8:28

situation and to put on the

8:30

cape. And. Try to be Superman are

8:33

sometimes that that doesn't go well for him and

8:35

will talk about that. We get to the negative,

8:37

but I liked the fact that he's had to

8:39

deal with that stuff in college. Albert

8:41

him he would three prose on Drake Mack. Okay,

8:44

some like searching through my tax here

8:46

to grab something from his pro day,

8:48

which I thought was really kind of

8:50

indicative of who he is. Ah,

8:53

I'm. So. The

8:55

a heritage so he said. Like. When

8:57

I we've highlighted a lot of the bad throws

8:59

with Drake right like from his pro day summer

9:01

ones that were I target early on and they

9:03

weren't that many. Yeah and so he cares what

9:05

he said. Here's what this is. You know I

9:07

are a coordinator for an hour a of see

9:09

team who was there. He. Said yeah, he

9:11

missed like to throws hi early and then

9:14

he was money. the rest the way he's

9:16

so talented he would be the number one

9:18

pick and like eighty percent of drafts. This

9:21

coach went on to com a puppy. Ah,

9:23

which I think kind of kin encapsulate kind

9:25

of what you're watching when you watch him

9:27

play. On. So I think. That.

9:30

Is raw physical ability. I

9:32

think The one thing that's

9:34

interesting about Drake. Is.

9:36

He is. Justin Herbert

9:38

from a trade standpoint with a Josh

9:40

Allen play style and you know it's

9:43

interesting as those two are kind of

9:45

both a bad sir circumstances or last

9:47

years in college and they went opposite

9:49

ways so adjusted Herbert his last year

9:51

at Oregon. Where. You got

9:54

was the elimination of a spectacular plays. He

9:56

just sort of started to look average. But.

9:58

He didn't have a bad. plays with

10:01

may it was the absolute opposite it

10:03

was stay on pros huh

10:06

yeah I'm say he had spectacular plays

10:08

in bad place so that kind of

10:10

encapsulates the the ability right like the

10:12

raw ability is there he can throw

10:14

from bad body positions everything else number

10:18

two I'd say his family background the

10:21

fact that like you know when you always hear

10:23

this about these guys that they're comfortable and

10:26

their surroundings because they grew up in them

10:28

guys who have the sort of family background

10:30

that Drake may has walking into an NFL

10:32

locker room and trying to lead isn't going

10:34

to intimidate him and

10:36

so you know the fact that his dad

10:38

was a quarterback in North Carolina his older

10:40

brother was a power forward starting power forward

10:42

on the basketball team there his brother another

10:44

brother was a pro baseball player another brother

10:46

was a was also a basketball player at

10:48

North Carolina he grew up around

10:51

this as the youngest kid and

10:53

so like I think having that pedigree has

10:55

brought a little competitive that's the competitor

10:57

like a lot of these teams

11:00

thought going into the

11:02

combine meetings like they would see this

11:04

hayseed right from North Carolina and that's

11:06

not what they got they got like

11:08

what was described to me is like

11:10

Phillip Rivers right from a competitor standpoint

11:14

you know and then I would say the last

11:17

real pro here is sort of playing

11:19

off of what Phil said which is

11:22

how many times did he have to be the best player

11:24

on the field at North Carolina this year constantly

11:26

right JJ McCarthy

11:29

like he was sometimes there were

11:31

times when he was the best player but it wasn't

11:33

often that he had to be the best player even

11:35

Jaden Daniels at LSU like he was the best player

11:37

a lot but how often what those guys around did

11:39

he have to be Drake may like

11:41

every game had to be the best player right

11:44

and so I think having that time on

11:46

task of having a team on your back

11:49

is really valuable because if you know you go on

11:51

the NFL and the kid plays really well then you're

11:53

going to wind up paying him and when you pay

11:56

him the context is going to change where he's going

11:58

to have to carry a team. Drake at

12:00

least has some experience trying to do that

12:02

going into the NFL. Good deal. Awesome.

12:05

Uh, my three pros first off physical

12:08

toughness and what I have

12:11

perceived to be great resiliency play to play.

12:14

And I use this in a column and

12:16

I mentioned it on TV. There was a

12:18

three place stretch was against Maryland and he

12:20

got absolutely pancake really speared against

12:23

Maryland on a small scramble. The

12:26

defender 305 pound defensive tackle

12:29

actually speared him and he was so spearing

12:31

him that the guy's feet were in the air

12:34

and pedaling the air.

12:36

He got drilled. You could tell he was hurt, hung

12:39

his head for a second, got right up. The

12:41

next play he

12:43

scrambled with purpose for seven yards, not just

12:45

ran away from scrambled with purpose to seven

12:48

yards. And the play after that, he had

12:50

one of those occasions where he had everything

12:52

perfect from his base to his release and

12:54

through an absolute laser for a first down

12:57

into a tight window. I loved his physical

12:59

resilience. I love the body

13:01

language. I love the poise. I think

13:03

that that is the element that makes

13:05

him quite possibly the best fit

13:08

for New England. He can deal with

13:10

the poop. Second, he

13:13

fits the suit. You want somebody who's

13:15

going to be available for 17 games

13:17

every single year. And

13:21

because of that, the size, that

13:23

capability, you can see him leading the team. And

13:26

then finally, the, um,

13:29

unpolished nature of this

13:31

particular jewel, as you guys have

13:33

both pointed out, the potential for

13:35

him to be brilliant

13:39

is extremely high. He's

13:42

got the arm, he's got the mobility,

13:44

he's got the toughness. He seems to

13:46

have the focus. So all those things

13:48

and surroundings around him with professional athletes

13:51

and high level athletes, all

13:54

of those things to me can help

13:56

to channel somebody's focus in a way

13:58

that is going to be extremely. difficult

14:01

if in this situation. So those are

14:03

my three Drake May pros. Albert

14:05

hit me with your three pros on Jaden Daniels

14:08

please. Hey number one I would say

14:10

the athleticism

14:13

you know he is a guy who

14:15

he's not just gonna run

14:18

to pick you up a few yards like

14:20

he can break a 60 yarder and

14:22

he is going to change the math for

14:24

you in the running game. If you utilize

14:26

him a certain way the way

14:29

the teams defend you in the running game

14:31

is going to have to change versus what

14:33

other team it's you know like basically playing

14:35

an option team and that's going

14:38

to affect the way they can defend you in the

14:40

passing game which is going to simplify things for him

14:42

and make him more effective as a passer and

14:44

make you more effective as a team throwing the

14:46

ball. We've seen that happen with Lamar Jackson he's

14:48

not Lamar but we've seen that happen with Lamar

14:50

Jackson Baltimore where the running game really aids the

14:52

passing game. So that's number one he changes the

14:54

math in the run game. Number

14:57

two he does have natural

14:59

accuracy and he's got like

15:01

this whip like delivery it's a little bit like

15:04

CJ Streece not as good a passer as CJ

15:06

Stroud but he's got like that like

15:08

sort of whip delivery and

15:10

natural accuracy. He

15:12

had great receivers at LSU no question about it

15:15

but you know like there's also the fact that

15:17

a lot of those balls that he was putting

15:19

the given getting like getting to them were

15:21

right in the face mask and put the receivers

15:23

in position to to run after the catch

15:26

which obviously neighbors and Thomas were really really

15:28

good with. And then number

15:30

three I just think the reps and the experience

15:32

right like and we've talked a lot about this

15:34

over the last few years after Brock Purdy had

15:37

his success as Mr. Irrelevant. I think more teams

15:39

are looking at that and I actually have some

15:41

analytics that one team gave me

15:44

where the dividing line

15:46

for quarterbacks and it's really interesting is 25

15:48

starts is there's not a

15:51

lot of success of guys coming out of

15:53

college with less than 25 starts because of

15:55

the volume of things you've seen the things

15:57

you've experienced all of that this

15:59

Guy started. Fifty Five games are two different

16:01

schools so this guy has seen a

16:03

lot of things. This guy has gone

16:06

against defensive coaches who had a game

16:08

plan him twice right? Like so the

16:10

amount of things that he's seen I

16:12

think really help with is just meant

16:14

to the browse. Good. Stuff.

16:17

Fill. Jaden. Three prose.

16:20

Yeah. My first prose is he is just

16:23

a walking explosive play ninety plays of

16:25

twenty yards or more this past season

16:27

alone both through the air and on

16:29

the ground. Of course in his speed.

16:33

Will force defenses that the Nfl level

16:35

to play him of certain way. And

16:37

I think it really will simplify things for whatever

16:39

off and he goes to in that office coordinator

16:42

in their billie to call place. I.

16:44

Think it's to be really hard for teams

16:46

to play man to man defence against whatever

16:48

team ends up drafting details because if you

16:50

turn your back. With. A receiver running

16:52

down the boundary are running down the middle of

16:54

the field and he breaks the pocket. It could

16:57

be one of those sixty yard touchdown zippered stocking

16:59

up on number two for me. Very accurate down

17:01

the field. He was fourth in college football or

17:03

in terms of his odd. Deep

17:05

yards, You. Know. When he

17:07

yards or more down the field those kinds

17:10

of throws a were yes, put some air

17:12

under it's and touch on it. He is.

17:14

He is really really accurate. He is really

17:16

clean in terms of his fundamental so I

17:19

think that deep accuracy even though at the

17:21

receivers are great and that a huge part

17:23

of it. I will acknowledge that. I

17:26

think what he does from the pocket is

17:28

pretty repeatable. Many pretty mature when it

17:31

comes to that stuff. And. Then

17:33

of the third thing for me is the fact

17:35

that he has shown. A. Real ability

17:37

to improve. You. Know even though

17:39

is twenty four years old. Are you

17:41

going to be if you're not already? I know this

17:43

is going to be twenty four year old season and.

17:46

Massive jump. From. Twenty twenty two

17:48

to Twenty Twenty three and I had one offered

17:50

support Need tell me if he. If

17:52

he has anywhere near. That.

17:55

Level of improvement. At. Any

17:57

point. in his nfl career with or

17:59

tier you know going into year one, going into

18:01

year two. You're talking about

18:03

a guy who could be the MVP of the league. And

18:06

so that's what you're talking about with upside with Daniel.

18:08

So that was my third one. All

18:10

right, great stuff. My with Daniel's is you

18:13

guys have mentioned the accuracy. I think that

18:15

he has the most compact, efficient

18:18

throwing motion of the three. It

18:20

just comes straight up to his ear and it's out. So

18:22

it's quick. So

18:25

I think fundamentally. He

18:27

is as a thrower

18:29

not full fundamentals in terms of I think

18:32

I think the McCarthy is more polished somewhat

18:34

in the pocket, but I think the Daniel

18:37

says the best fundamentals the speed

18:40

and a loose of this and ability to restart plays.

18:42

Is this my number two is something

18:44

that can make okay

18:46

receivers better. Because

18:49

it allows them to get separation the same way Phil

18:51

talked about teams having to play zone

18:53

so they can keep eyes on the backfield. Well,

18:56

additionally because you're playing zone, you're going

18:58

to have spaces for your KJ Osborne's

19:00

and Kendrick born's into Mario Douglas to

19:02

sit down in and then make plays

19:04

afterwards. You don't have to throw necessarily

19:08

two spots and anticipate

19:10

the synchronization of the offense to be at

19:12

the same high level because Jaden Daniels can

19:14

create to a point that we haven't seen

19:16

here in New England. So those are the

19:18

two things and then thirdly. The

19:22

experience that Albert mentioned in the

19:24

explosiveness. I

19:26

think he'll be a player who comes to the NFL and goes.

19:30

I mean, there's a lot of things that are hard here. But

19:34

I'm still the best athlete here. I'm

19:36

still really close to being the best athlete and I

19:38

think that that will buoy him in his first year

19:40

in the league. He's going to have bonehead plays. He's

19:43

going to be overwhelmed. There's going to be a lot

19:45

of things that get thrown at him that he's not

19:47

accustomed to and perhaps if he's here in a foreign

19:49

land. But I think

19:51

when he's on the field, he'll still

19:53

be somebody who is so electric.

19:56

That he himself says, I don't think they can guard me.

20:00

the three things, froze wise. Now,

20:02

let's go to the negs. And

20:04

we'll start again with McCarthy. He's

20:08

a little small, short.

20:11

He's not a

20:13

squat, he's got a big booty, which I think

20:15

is great in many ways. But

20:18

he's got a big bucket, and

20:20

he's squatly built. And

20:23

he's a little bit of a Zach Wilson build

20:25

with a big bucket. So,

20:27

not saying he's

20:29

Zach Wilson, we've seen smaller quarterbacks, whether

20:31

it's Drew Brees, but the skyscraper quarterbacks

20:34

are not something that we generally

20:36

see as much these days, Justin Herbert,

20:38

you know, accepting, but he's

20:40

a little smaller than you would ideally like

20:43

to see. Secondarily,

20:46

with JJ McCarthy, the

20:51

number of times that he has had to buoy

20:53

a team and be the guy,

20:55

as you guys pointed out, to

20:58

rescue a situation. You know,

21:01

they played from ahead an immense amount. He

21:03

does play unbelievably well with the money

21:05

on the table on third down, when

21:07

he hasn't had the experience that Phil mentioned

21:09

with Drake May, or that Albert mentioned with

21:12

a number of starts. So,

21:15

less of an idea of what

21:18

he can do in a resiliency situation. And

21:20

then finally, how high is

21:23

the ceiling? Is

21:25

everything just good

21:27

enough to pretty good, which I think

21:30

it definitely is. He's not Mack

21:32

Jones, because his arm is better. He's not

21:34

Mack Jones, because he's faster. He's not

21:36

back Jones, because he's more solidly

21:39

built and fundamentally, fundamentally strong. But

21:42

are we still looking at a guy who

21:44

is as Phil, I think said yesterday on

21:46

early edition? Well,

21:50

how did you phrase it? He

21:52

doesn't make the guys around. He's

21:54

more of a win with quarterback as

21:56

opposed to a win because of quarterback.

21:58

Yes. So that means you have

22:00

to hit on all these other positions you're

22:03

trying to step. So those are my three

22:05

McCarthy negatives. We'll go Phil, Megs on McCarthy.

22:08

Yeah, I think while his arm is

22:10

good enough, I do think where

22:13

he has trouble with his arm is

22:16

when he is forced to be off

22:18

platform, off balance, bodies

22:20

around his feet. That's

22:24

one of his win because of traits is his

22:26

arm. I think it's sort of like a B

22:28

arm. And so in the NFL, when you're gonna

22:30

have people around you and it's not gonna be

22:32

a perfect platform every time, can you

22:34

have as much zip as you need to have and

22:37

as much zip as you often had behind

22:40

arguably the best offensive line in football or college football the

22:42

last couple years? Am I a dink if I interrupt you

22:44

and ask you isn't he the most accurate guy on the

22:47

run? I

22:49

know our guy Thor had some metrics that would

22:51

suggest as much. I think there's a

22:53

difference Tom between throwing on the run and

22:56

throwing with your feet unsettled

22:58

in the pocket. Throwing

23:01

with a defensive line on

23:03

your hip. There was a

23:05

throw Drake May made in the pro day where he

23:07

literally left his feet to throw the ball and

23:10

maintained accuracy. I think that's what you're getting at Phil.

23:12

Yeah, I think JJ McCarthy needs a lot

23:14

more to be right for him to get

23:16

the zip on the ball that Drake

23:20

May doesn't necessarily

23:22

if we're comparing those two guys. My

23:25

number two negative for JJ McCarthy

23:27

is and this is

23:30

something that I've been told. I do

23:32

notice it after being told this

23:34

particular note but he's sort of a

23:37

one speed thrower. And

23:39

so when everything's a fast ball, it

23:41

can lead to some wayward

23:44

shots down the field.

23:47

It can lead to some wayward shots when you're

23:49

trying to kind of make those layered throws over

23:51

the linebacker in front of the safety that require

23:54

a certain kind of touch. If

23:57

everything's a fast ball, I think that could make it hard

23:59

for him. at the next level. I

24:02

got to jump on that too. I think it's, you

24:04

just don't see enough downfield outside the numbers

24:06

throws from JJ McCarthy. You

24:08

see lasered 15 yarders, but you're

24:11

not seeing just massive numbers of go routes

24:13

for Drake May. Did you have an

24:15

idea of, he can really throw it 45 yards.

24:18

Go ahead, sorry, Philly. For JJ McCarthy,

24:20

right? JJ McCarthy doesn't throw

24:22

downfield the way Drake May does. You don't have the

24:24

volume, you don't have the evidence. Yeah, there's a couple

24:26

like that stood out until after a coach

24:29

told me there were a couple going back and watching. There

24:32

are a couple where it's like, boy, if he

24:34

just, he could float it up. He could throw it 45 miles

24:37

an hour down the sideline. That'd be an

24:39

easy touchdown. And instead it's a rocket and

24:41

the guy has to back shoulder and jump

24:43

and it goes over his head. And it's

24:45

like, what are we doing? Third thing really

24:47

quickly, it's just that whole idea of being

24:49

a part of the best team in the

24:51

country. Zero halftime deficits last year, average

24:54

halftime lead of 14 points. He

24:57

just, there weren't

24:59

all that many situations where

25:03

stuff was going to hell around him. And

25:06

he had to be the guy. And

25:08

I think when you're drafting somebody, we're talking about

25:10

this on a Patriots podcast. We're talking about the

25:12

third overall pick. You take somebody at three overall,

25:16

I would prefer to have

25:19

seen him be the superhero kind

25:21

of quarterback. And he didn't have

25:23

to do that enough because his team was so damn good and

25:25

he's a part of that. So I give him credit for that

25:27

on the one hand, it's just, it's one of these

25:29

things with him. It's hard to say you're

25:33

confident in something when

25:36

you just haven't seen it. We just haven't seen it with J.D. Hart.

25:39

Was that your three? Yep. Good

25:41

deal. Al Bier. Okay, so the

25:43

first one would be, and I used this term

25:45

last night on an early edition, that he needs

25:48

time and space. And I think the reason why

25:50

is because he, if you watch

25:52

him throw, he puts his whole body into it. And

25:55

I think that that's the difference between him

25:57

and somebody like Caleb or somebody like Drake.

26:00

is you see he really has to put his body

26:02

behind it. And

26:06

even in situations where he wasn't, in most

26:08

cases he was given that time and space

26:10

because Michigan was so outstanding protecting him, even

26:13

in situations when he wasn't given

26:15

that time and space, he was fast enough

26:18

to get away from guys. And

26:20

will that be the case in the NFL?

26:22

The protection probably won't be as consistently good

26:24

because the NFL is more level playing field

26:26

across the board. And is he

26:28

a good enough athlete where he's gonna be able to

26:31

run away from NFL defenders? Like that one play he

26:33

made to Colson Loveland in the Ohio State game where

26:35

he was scrambling right, if you watch,

26:37

like, yeah, he made that throw on the run, but he had a

26:39

lot of space because he was able to create that space. So,

26:43

you know, like, again, like in a league

26:45

where you're constantly throwing out of dirty pockets

26:47

and from bad body positions and all that

26:49

other stuff, do you have the ability to

26:52

get the ball where you wanted to go

26:54

by just flicking your wrist, which Caleb has

26:56

and which Drake has? So that's number one. Number

26:59

two, Bill Stolmein, everything's a

27:01

fastball. I think that this is sort

27:03

of an interesting thing. Will

27:06

Hewlett, coach, was the private

27:08

coach for Caleb Williams. And I talked to

27:10

him about this. And this is

27:13

maybe really where one of Caleb's

27:15

superpowers, he told

27:17

me that they'd done the biomechanics where

27:19

like in game-like situations, where they generate

27:22

game-like situations, most

27:24

quarterbacks have, most NFL quarterbacks have four

27:26

mile per hour range from touch throw

27:28

to drive throw. Will

27:31

told me that Caleb Williams has displayed

27:33

10 miles per hour range from touch

27:35

throw to drive throw, which is incredible.

27:38

Like, and it shows control

27:40

over the ball. Does

27:42

JJ have control over the ball where

27:44

he can throw different types of, can

27:46

he change speeds more or less? That'd

27:49

be number two. And

27:51

then number three, you just go back to, you know, like

27:53

how many times did he have to be the guy? And

27:55

I think maybe the best way to describe it, right? So

27:57

he's great in third and long, but how awesome.

28:00

was he in third and long? And let's

28:02

say Michigan has 12 plays

28:05

that they're confident, like Jim Harbaugh has 12 plays,

28:07

like I'm confident, like these 12 plays are going

28:10

to run or going to work on third and

28:12

long. And for 12 of

28:14

those situations to come up, it takes five

28:16

games, right? So Michigan can kind of reset

28:18

that again and have those money plays available

28:21

pretty much consistently over the course of the

28:23

whole year. North Carolina was

28:25

so bad around Drake May, they

28:27

might be in that situation 12 times in a single

28:29

game, you know? And

28:32

so like, that is where I think the

28:35

volume of times you're in third and long, you're

28:37

playing from behind, like that's where I think it

28:39

can kind of catch up to you where your

28:41

coaches run out of answers to game it up

28:43

for you. Yeah. And it's where you're going to

28:45

play when you're trailing 20 to three in the

28:48

third quarter, how do you play then? Right,

28:50

kind of an idea how Drake

28:52

May might play. And that's where it comes down to

28:54

I mean, the number that sticks

28:57

out to me is North Carolina had four

28:59

guys at the combine, Michigan had 18. So

29:02

like, I think that that's where that stuff

29:04

comes into play. It's the amount of experience

29:06

you have having to be the best player

29:08

in the field in certain long down by

29:10

two touchdowns, when your coach doesn't have a

29:12

call that he can just go to, because

29:14

he knows it's gamed up against this opponent.

29:17

Like having that experience, I think is something that JJ

29:19

is going to have to build up going into the

29:21

pros. I don't think it's something he has a lot

29:23

of coming in. And I

29:26

just want to add one thing quickly,

29:28

Tom, about the speed variants that

29:30

you mentioned with Caleb Williams, and that we're

29:33

sort of perceiving in the league, I

29:35

know is perceiving sort of a lack of

29:37

that, you know, having that at least right now, with

29:40

JJ McCarthy with Drake May, the Cynthia

29:42

Freeland, who does all sorts of analytics work

29:45

for NFL media, we had her on next

29:47

paths recently, earlier this

29:49

offseason, and she broke

29:51

it down to just Drake May's

29:53

intermediate throws. So she eliminated the

29:56

short eliminated the deep. And just

29:58

in that one area, she had a speed be

30:00

variants of about seven miles an hour, where

30:02

the average over the last three years was half that.

30:05

So I think with both Caleb Williams and Drake

30:07

may you see a real ability to put

30:09

touch on the ball and, and

30:11

also zip it in at a high rate of speed wouldn't need

30:14

be. That's something

30:16

that McCarthy I think would have to learn and he's

30:18

21 years old. I probably should have mentioned this

30:20

with a yes, McCarthy, he's the youngest of the

30:22

four quarterbacks here. So he might have the most

30:24

opportunity for growth, the most growth

30:26

potential if you will, Tom, not that this

30:28

segment is brought to us by Dr. nice.

30:30

It's funny too, because if you're a Patriots

30:33

fan of a certain vintage, you've seen a

30:35

quarterback who had nothing but fastballs, and that

30:37

was your blood. So he was

30:39

challenged for

30:42

throwing anything with touch. And

30:44

it was a problem for him. And

30:46

then you see a guy with literally too much

30:48

touch, who doesn't know what he

30:50

wants to throw. And that was most recently

30:52

with Mac Jones. I mean,

30:55

the amount of times where he would throw a balloon when

30:57

he can throw a balloon there. And I wonder if that

30:59

was a byproduct of his lack of faith in his arm.

31:01

Well, it's not going to get there. If I zip it,

31:03

or I'm not going to be accurate. But that

31:06

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meta.com/metaverseimpact. Mike,

32:06

give me the cons, Phil. Yeah,

32:09

so I would say the first con for me

32:11

is there is just so much projection with him.

32:13

There's a lot of uncertainty, especially

32:15

based on how last year went. You know, is

32:18

it mechanical? Why didn't he get better from 2022

32:20

to 23? Is

32:22

it his footwork? Is

32:24

it the offense? They had a change in

32:26

offense coordinator. Is it the people around him?

32:28

Is it the line was horrid and he

32:31

lost one key piece to the pass game?

32:34

Is it just an eight? And this

32:37

is just who he's going to be the rest of his life. I

32:39

think that is a real theory

32:42

proposition for people who might be investing

32:44

in Drake. Number two would be just

32:46

his inconsistency on some gimme throws. And

32:48

again, it might get back to, is

32:51

he not really sure where the back is going to be going

32:53

out of the backfield? Is he not really sure how this

32:55

route is supposed to look? Because the offense is a little

32:58

bit loose in terms of, you know,

33:00

we're just running to open space and we're not necessarily all

33:02

that precise in terms of what we're asking these guys to

33:04

do. And then the third thing would just be what I

33:06

would call arm

33:09

hubris. I

33:12

think he just believes in that

33:14

thing so damn much that it leads to

33:16

some bad decisions. Now maybe it's because he

33:18

knows he's got to be the

33:20

superhero and he's got to put on the cape. And

33:22

if we're going to have any chance of winning this thing, I've got to try to

33:25

fit this theme all down the

33:27

middle of the field between two defenders at,

33:29

you know, 60 miles an hour. But

33:32

it led him to have

33:34

some issues at times for sure. So can he dial

33:36

that back at the next level? All right. I'm

33:39

going to hit you with three Drake main negatives

33:41

that I saw. First

33:45

is he only fits the suit. The

33:47

biggest draw to Drake May is he's six, five, two,

33:49

30. And he

33:52

wows you physically and with

33:54

his arm strength. But when you start to drill

33:56

down on accuracy and

33:58

decision making, it's not there and a

34:00

lot is attributed

34:03

to situation or things

34:05

you can clean up. So

34:07

to me, it's more of a projection with him, actually,

34:10

than with anybody else. So

34:13

that is a negative to me, you

34:16

can presume it's going to get better. But when

34:18

you draft that highly,

34:21

the floor, I think, especially if you're

34:23

an awful team, kind

34:26

of needs to be higher, or you're just going to

34:28

be back in the same position in three years because

34:30

all those things didn't go the way you hoped. Can

34:33

I interject one thing? Yes, sir. I

34:39

just want to be clear from your standpoint,

34:41

because there are examples of him being absurdly

34:44

accurate. So it's just like the

34:46

consistency of the accuracy, I think, that you're

34:48

talking about. It's not that he doesn't have

34:50

it, because he's more big time throws than

34:52

anybody in college football in the last two

34:54

years. But it's consistently, it's probably not there

34:56

as much as you would like for it.

34:58

Yeah, it's honestly, it's even on completions. He

35:01

throws behind people, he throws, and there's no

35:03

reason for it on multiple instances

35:06

when I would watch all his throws in 2023,

35:08

multiple instances

35:10

of nobody around him, and he

35:13

delivers the ball high, or

35:15

delivers the ball behind someone on a wide

35:19

receiver screen or a wheel route, and

35:21

he can't look like that.

35:23

So that inconsistency. Two,

35:28

I think you have to be alarmed by the results

35:30

of the team and the performance in games down

35:32

the stretch. Yeah, he was the

35:35

best player, but to start six and oh

35:37

and finish seven and four and perform the

35:39

way that he did against North Carolina State,

35:41

I think is a little alarming to me. And

35:46

then third, it's just that leeriness

35:48

that he is not going to

35:50

improve. And I think it's remote

35:52

that that's

35:56

the case. But when I look at the Patriots

35:58

situation, They're so bad

36:00

right now because they screwed

36:02

up the quarterback selection and

36:05

his situation that he's

36:07

the scariest prospect of the three. So

36:09

those are my three negatives. And all

36:11

those said, I still don't

36:14

think that I would sit there in

36:16

two weeks when they draft-break me, if that's the

36:18

case, and say, well, they screwed that up, there's

36:21

no way. Because I think that

36:23

the positives as we do this, the pros

36:25

do outweigh his cons. I'm

36:27

dropping small pebbles

36:30

over here. And I think some of his positives

36:32

are closer to being rocks. Okay.

36:36

So like I will start with

36:38

what you guys started with was consistency of accuracy.

36:40

I think that there's some, this is where I

36:42

think that there, some of it dovetails

36:45

with Josh Allen. And

36:47

Josh Allen had like

36:50

accuracy issues coming out of Wyoming, but the

36:52

people who liked him said that

36:54

if you can change him fundamentally and clean up his

36:56

feet. And I remember talking to Jordan Palmer about this,

36:58

who was coaching him. So like all

37:01

he needs is some tweaks and he's going to get

37:03

there. Is that true? Right?

37:05

Like I think that

37:07

that's a big question because we've heard how. Can

37:10

I interject quickly on Josh Allen? He led the

37:12

league in interceptions last year. He still has accuracy

37:14

issues. Sometimes a guy will revert.

37:17

Right. Josh Allen is,

37:19

I wonder if he's hit his peak.

37:23

Mm-hmm. It's possible. I

37:25

still, but I still think like if

37:27

Josh Allen is the result here, then you take

37:29

it 100%. Right? Like,

37:31

so if you wind up with a guy

37:34

who maybe is like, again, like

37:36

Justin Herbert physically with a Josh Allen playstyle,

37:38

that's the result. Like I don't think that's

37:40

horrible, but I, there's a lot

37:42

to clean up there, like fundamentally. And

37:44

I think that, you know, he showed like

37:47

a quick compact, compact delivery in his pro day,

37:49

but some of the tape shows like it can

37:51

be a little longer, right? Which can be a

37:53

problem in the pros. So there's

37:55

a lot to clean up fundamentally, which

37:58

plays into my second negative. which

38:00

is I think he needs time. And

38:02

he may be the guy who's best if you sit him.

38:05

And that sounds simple, right? Like that you're

38:07

just going to sit him and he's going

38:09

to redshirt. And we've heard a ton of

38:11

GMs get up at the podium and

38:14

say, there's no pressure for this kid to play. We're

38:16

going to start this veteran over here. He doesn't even

38:18

need to worry about it to you or two. So

38:22

that almost never happens. I mean,

38:24

and you want to look at the history of it. I

38:26

have this chart I keep. So over

38:28

the last 16 draft cycles, 48

38:31

quarterbacks have gone in the first round. This really changed

38:34

in 08 with the Matt, Ryan, Joe Flacco year. Do

38:37

you know how many guys out of those 48 did not

38:39

start at least one game as a rookie? At

38:41

least one. Yeah. Probably

38:44

less than five. Two. Jordan

38:47

Love and Jake

38:49

Locker. Patrick Mahomes started the last game.

38:51

If you want to take those three, what those three

38:54

guys had in common is they were on contending teams.

38:56

So like it's almost never that

38:59

you're a bad team that drafts

39:01

a quarterback high. You continue to be bad

39:03

and he sits the whole year. Because what

39:05

winds up happening is you get to week

39:07

six and you're one in five. And then

39:09

everyone's screaming, why the hell isn't this guy

39:11

out there? Like, why aren't we

39:13

just at least getting him the reps? When

39:16

what the guy might really need is to be

39:18

sat down and worked with fundamentally

39:20

for a year, it takes great

39:22

discipline to do that. And

39:25

so it's easy to say it now. And

39:27

then you're going to be on April that you're going to

39:29

do it. It's another thing when there are 20,000 empty seats

39:32

in the stadium and Jacobi Brissett starting

39:35

November 1. Because the owner is saying,

39:37

well, hey, why aren't we looking at

39:39

this guy right now? So can

39:41

you execute that? Like, that's a major thing. And

39:43

it's something that I think needs to be considered.

39:47

The third thing for me would be, and this is just something I've

39:50

heard from teams, there's a little bit of nervous energy

39:52

to him. And I Think you

39:54

saw it at the beginning of his pro day. I Really

39:56

want to tie one thing together with the other. He

40:00

has this nervous energy and it showed up in

40:02

the meeting with with teams. You can actually cause

40:04

attack that. Night, calm down. But

40:06

if you see the way he started that

40:08

pro day, that's where the bad throws were

40:10

And any cel ladies was fine. Ross had

40:12

to start a games to last year right?

40:14

so there's like a nervous energy do on

40:17

and like is that an issue? So I

40:19

think that that's something that teams are going

40:21

to. Teams are working through right now considering.

40:24

The Jaden Daniels Let's go with thought

40:26

his clients. Albert. So.

40:29

Like I think the get a

40:31

knees up to. Okay so so number

40:33

one. he takes some like Looney Tunes

40:36

hits you can often like. Just like

40:38

he puts himself in harm's way as

40:40

good cause he's tough right? like

40:42

been. Here. I've. Heard

40:45

him compared Rg three as a runner so

40:47

can. So at six foot four, two hundred

40:49

and ten pounds is he gonna hold up?

40:51

In. The pros like playing that way. I that's

40:54

a very real question and if you have to

40:56

play him that way to get the most out

40:58

of him, Do you have

41:00

like a little bit of a dilemma there, you know? And

41:02

can you teach a guy who's been. Played.

41:04

Five years of college football to change

41:06

his playing style and those situations? The

41:08

hard thing to do? Number Two And

41:10

number Two. As he runs

41:13

to run, he doesn't run to throw. I had

41:15

one team tell me that by their account there

41:17

are only sixteen occasions last year and scrambled place

41:19

where he threw the ball. So

41:21

when he pulls the ball down. He.

41:24

Generally polls about ball down to make a

41:26

play with his feet. Is.

41:29

That a problem for you. Be as

41:31

desk again going to expose him and those

41:33

are even more unsettled. As a zine runs,

41:35

that's the will expose him to more of

41:37

these big hits so plays right back to

41:39

that. Number. Three for that says

41:41

number Two and number three. Would.

41:43

Just be like, There's a

41:45

lack of throws over the middle of

41:47

the field that a few teams have

41:50

brought up to me, and at twenties.

41:52

Bordering on twenty four years old. Is.

41:55

That gonna develop Orci Just not seeing it over the

41:57

middle of the field. Sort. Of these great

41:59

receive. neighbors and Thomas and there's great accuracy on

42:01

the throws that he's making, but there's

42:04

a lack of those throws between the

42:06

numbers that are bread and butter throws

42:08

in the NFL. And so is

42:10

there something there where he's not seeing things over the

42:12

middle of the field? That's something teams have had to

42:15

dig into as well. Yeah,

42:18

I can... I got a leaf blower outside right now, so

42:20

I'm going to let you go, Phil. Nobody can hear it.

42:22

I can't hear it. I can't hear it. You're good, Tom.

42:27

So I would add

42:29

to some of what Burt said, but first I would

42:31

say my number one is one

42:33

year of elite production at 23 years

42:36

old, he's going to be 24 years old, he's

42:38

two years older than both Drake May

42:40

and JJ McCarthy in

42:42

an incredible offensive environment, that

42:45

would scare me a little bit if I'm an NFL

42:47

team. You know,

42:49

if you go back to his 21 year old season, nobody's

42:51

talking about him as a top four pick, the way we're

42:53

talking about some of these other guys. So

42:56

he's transferring. When

42:58

he hit and how,

43:01

to me, is a

43:04

bit of a concern. His frame, you

43:06

know, writ large is a massive concern to

43:08

me, and that's number two. And that leads me

43:10

right into number three, which is how

43:13

he plays the game. It's his play style. And this is

43:15

some of the stuff Burt hit on. I'll give you a

43:17

couple of numbers, though. In

43:19

terms of his pressure to sack rate, more than

43:21

20% of his pressures over the course of his

43:23

career turned into sacks. That is very, very high.

43:25

There are not a ton of

43:28

great examples of quarterbacks with

43:30

really high pressure to sack rates

43:33

that ended up having success in the NFL.

43:35

Joe Burrow is one. So that's

43:38

a great comp. Obviously Lamar Jackson had

43:40

a relatively high pressure to sack rate

43:42

at Louisville. But

43:45

I would say this, when

43:47

you combine that with the scramble rate that

43:49

Burt is talking about, according to true media,

43:52

45% of his pressure is

43:54

turned into attempted runs. It's

43:56

an incredibly high number. And when you're 210 pounds

43:58

at... six foot four

44:01

almost, and you don't,

44:03

at least based on your college shape, you don't

44:05

protect yourself all that well, that

44:08

could lead to real problems. And

44:10

when it comes to the play

44:13

style thing, this

44:15

is my second little play style note here. Again,

44:18

a couple of numbers. First

44:20

and second round quarterbacks, guys, since 2016,

44:23

who averaged less than five yards

44:26

per drop back when under pressure

44:30

and also had that large sack

44:32

rate that I'm talking about over 20%. Here are

44:34

the names first and second round quarterbacks

44:37

who basically struggled under pressure. That's

44:39

the umbrella. Christian

44:42

Hackenberg, Zach Wilson, Justin Fields, Will

44:44

Levis, Jayden Daniels. That's

44:47

a bad group. You don't want to be

44:49

a bad group. Jets are well represented. Yeah,

44:51

they really are. One more thing on the middle

44:53

of the field thing just to add to Burt's point, 9.3% of

44:55

his dropbacks resulted

44:58

in middle of the field

45:00

and intermediate middle of the field throws. The

45:03

only quarterback taken in the first two rounds since

45:06

2020 who had

45:08

a lower percentage than Jayden Daniels is Justin

45:10

Fields. So I think, I think

45:12

you would just worry that you

45:14

have a skinnier guy who plays a

45:17

little bit like Justin Fields because

45:19

he always wants to take off to run. He

45:22

doesn't want to throw to the middle of the

45:24

field. And if that player's in a bad situation,

45:26

like Justin Fields was offensively for the most part

45:28

early in his career, that could lead to some

45:30

really horrific results. And again,

45:33

he's much more thinly

45:35

built than Justin Fields. I'm not sure he even played

45:37

the same number of games that Fields did. That would

45:39

be, that's the big concern

45:41

with Jayden Daniels. All right. My

45:44

three negatives. And I wonder about this too with

45:46

those outside numbers throws before I get into

45:48

the middle of the field throws. I wonder how

45:51

much of that percentage is a byproduct of throwing

45:54

to Malik neighbors and Brian. Brian

45:57

Thomas. Brian Thomas. How

45:59

much is a byproduct of the guys around.

46:01

But when you're in New England, you are going to

46:03

be throwing in the middle of the field because

46:05

your most productive guys, your tight end. And

46:08

the guy who caught the most pass last year

46:10

was Ezekiel Elliott, I believe. Not

46:12

somebody who's on the perimeter. So you're going to be using

46:14

your running backs in the middle of the field. All right.

46:18

My three negatives for Jaden Daniels

46:20

are fit wise for New England.

46:24

Is he going to play well in

46:26

elements in the cold? And

46:30

will he embrace

46:34

being in New England? Will he want to

46:37

be here in the Northeast and

46:40

dealing with a fan base and a

46:42

media hoard and an ownership that

46:45

can be really, really, really, really difficult

46:48

to please, to put it mildly. So

46:52

I think that the

46:55

stiff upper lipping necessary here is

46:57

exorbitant. Mack Jones

47:00

is unusable, completely

47:03

unusable because the

47:05

fan base would not have tolerated another year

47:07

of him. So that to me

47:09

is a quieter guy than the other two, it seems

47:12

like. As somebody who's more a lead by example than

47:15

lead by taking over the

47:17

room type of guy, is

47:19

how would Jaden Daniels respond to that? He's been

47:21

pretty active on social media throughout the

47:25

draft process. I don't know if that's

47:27

really what you're looking for when you come to New England. Some

47:30

people might think it's great. I don't know if that's what you're

47:32

looking for. So that's the

47:34

first thing. Secondarily, it's already been mentioned, probably

47:37

the primary thing is the size, meaning

47:40

the wispiness, meaning that if you

47:43

can't play 15 games

47:46

minimum every year, you're

47:49

starting to prorate a salary to a guy, well, actually, he's

47:51

on his rookie contract, but you're just not getting the bang

47:53

for the buck. And there's too much

47:55

unsettled as to do we stick with this guy or

47:57

do we not, Justin Fields being an example of that.

48:00

although he was pretty durable with Chicago.

48:04

And then finally, just to

48:07

me, will his play

48:09

style translate with the Patriots personnel right now?

48:13

You know, is it going to be a jailbreak? Is he going

48:15

to be ducking guys can even get into a situation in

48:20

terms of being elusive when it's

48:22

a jailbreak? The number of sacks that he did take

48:24

is still pointed out. If it's a

48:26

jailbreak, and he's a guy who takes a lot of sacks,

48:28

it might not get better. Which

48:30

will retard the guy's progress. Last

48:33

question, and then we're out of here. Can

48:36

the Patriots go wrong?

48:39

Literally F it up. Can

48:42

they make a mistake with

48:44

any of these three players if they draft

48:46

them in two weeks? Would

48:48

it be a mistake? Is it worthy

48:51

of a second guess in any of these cases?

48:54

I would say this. They

48:58

all could end up looking like mistakes. But if

49:00

we're talking about this draft on draft night and

49:02

in real time, the pick

49:05

that I would feel like

49:08

makes the most sense is Drake May. The

49:11

pick that I would have some second guessing about,

49:13

but I would support ultimately would be Jay Daniels.

49:15

And the pick that I think would be a

49:17

mistake would be JJ McCarthy. That's how I would

49:20

tear it. All right, I'm gonna

49:22

grab that. I like that too. I

49:25

think the pick that I would be most scared of

49:28

would be Drake May. The

49:32

pick that would be the most exciting, just the

49:34

superlatives, would be Jayden Daniels.

49:38

As if manna from heaven. Because

49:41

the upside and the excitement is just totally foreign.

49:47

And the pick that is the most secure and

49:50

stable that you

49:52

might grow to love like a beagle, like Bo Curran,

49:54

is JJ McCarthy. Bo

49:57

making an appearance? Well,

50:00

he's walked in here because I closed the door.

50:03

So he's not happy, but he just sits there like this the

50:05

whole time. He's well behaved though. We haven't

50:07

heard Pete from him. We wouldn't have known he was there.

50:10

No. Oh, he's great. Yeah. Um,

50:12

so I would say like, I would

50:14

say the one thing that we all want to, I think everybody

50:17

wants to keep in mind with all of these guys is

50:19

it's very rare that like there's

50:22

a quarterback you draft high in the first round,

50:24

that's good enough to overcome bad circumstances. I can

50:26

only think of one in my time covering the

50:28

league. And that's Andrew Luck. Who

50:30

overcame a lot of things being kind of

50:32

messed up and helped her skeleton around him

50:34

and made the playoffs his first three years in a row.

50:37

Like the other ones as great as Mahomes

50:39

is as great as Alan is as great

50:41

as Justin Herbert, and his bit like

50:43

those guys all had good circumstances around them,

50:46

at least good circumstances. So, um, Joe

50:49

Barro's got a lot better. Joe Barro's got a lot better

50:51

in year two compared to Joe Barro. Joe Barro's got better

50:53

in year two and he got hurt in year one. Right?

50:55

Like, so if they, they'd gone forward with those sorts of

50:57

circumstances, it would have been a problem. Um,

50:59

so like baseline, you have to create

51:02

good circumstances. Would I be afraid of

51:04

what Jaelen, Jaelen Daniels is very simple

51:06

that he'd get hurt. You put,

51:08

I think you can win with him. I think you

51:10

win playing the way that he plays. I'd be afraid

51:12

of his Jaelen Daniels. I'd be afraid of,

51:15

right? So would I be, would I be afraid

51:17

of what Drake may is the floor. And

51:19

if you screw up his development, it

51:22

could be a complete dumpster fire. Right.

51:24

Like most excited by you grew up

51:26

here. Probably has the Patriots.

51:30

I'm most excited by Drake. Like Drake would

51:32

be the one that I would be excited about, but he'd be

51:34

the one that you'd have to handle with kid gloves. The

51:37

one I'd be at most apprehensive

51:40

about would be JJ McCarthy, because

51:42

I, he's a very different player than

51:44

Mack Jones. He's more talented. You guys can't

51:46

hear this leaf blower. No,

51:49

no, not at all. No, I

51:51

cannot hear you guys. That leaf

51:53

blower to us is as quiet as Beau Curran. It's

51:56

like he's underneath me. So

52:01

the reason I'd be apprehensive about about JJ, I think

52:03

JJ can give you really good performance in year one

52:05

year two You can game it up and make it

52:07

look good with him Would I

52:09

be afraid of what Jake would with

52:12

with changing McCarthy? It wouldn't exist with

52:14

the other two would be that

52:16

you get to year four year five and you're looking to

52:18

replace them And it's not that you're

52:20

unhappy with him or you're moving them off the team You wait

52:22

the way you move back Jones off the team But

52:25

it's like could we be a little bit better

52:27

or is it gonna be enough to get

52:29

us past Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes and

52:31

Justin Herbert and Joe

52:34

Burrow and Lamar Jackson in the AFC Because

52:37

chances are for the next 10 years you're gonna have

52:39

to beat three of those guys in succession just to

52:41

make it to The Super Bowl so that

52:43

would be my concern with with JJ and I

52:46

don't think I followed these the assignment perfectly They're

52:48

either while you were trying to ignore the leaf

52:50

blower. I'm pulling the plug on the whole thing

52:52

Get the leaf blower. I want to get on

52:54

this Mel Kiper conference call at one I

52:57

don't know what you said for the last 90 seconds

52:59

two minutes stuff. It was all great I'm sure it

53:01

was really great. Yep, but the whole thing was

53:04

really great and I appreciate you guys with

53:07

undying loyalty and love You

53:11

too Tom good afternoon later bow night

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