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in full swing around the National

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0:54

in New England. Phil Perry alongside

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Phil. The momentum built by the Patriots

0:58

in their resigns has been a bit

1:01

diminished in the ensuing days by Swings

1:03

and Mrs. Calvin Ridley and now on

1:06

Thursday, assigning by left tackle Jonah

1:08

Williams that removes

1:10

that possibility from

1:12

their grasp. What's

1:15

the Patriots grade so far in your eyes? I'm going with

1:17

a C because I think that they

1:19

get a minus on

1:21

retention and divorcing

1:24

themselves from Devontae Parker, but

1:27

it's a D plus C minus on addressing your needs

1:29

on the open market. Yeah, I think

1:31

a C is fair. They are treading

1:33

water. They are doing

1:37

the minimum, honestly,

1:39

in my opinion, and

1:42

even that might be giving them a little bit

1:44

too much credit, Tom. If the expectation is for

1:46

them to not win a championship, not even make

1:48

the playoffs, but to be competitive,

1:50

be in the mix. Make

1:52

it watchable. Be watchable. And

1:57

listen, Drod Mayo and Elliott Wolf. Have

2:00

suggested that that's the goal. Robert

2:02

Kraft for years now has been talking about how

2:04

he wants to compete ASAP contend

2:08

ASAP Have

2:11

they done the minimum even to get there?

2:13

I would say no because The

2:15

Ridley thing is a disappointment at least they were

2:17

in on him Tom Jonah Williams I'm not so

2:20

sure and they need tackles and that seemed to

2:22

be a very reasonable deal I believe it was

2:24

two years 30 million to the

2:26

Cardinals. It's not like he's going to a championship contending

2:28

team So they need to do

2:30

more to get to where they want to be

2:33

even with The expectations

2:35

set relatively low. So

2:38

a C is is where I'm at

2:40

might even be a C-minus when

2:42

you look at The

2:45

amount of cap space they have Their

2:48

own admission that they're going to be aggressive

2:51

and then to come out of the store with very little

2:55

Even though they shopped hard Is

2:58

there a point where you say man There

3:01

just wasn't anything in there You're gonna compound

3:04

your problems if you go spend 27 million

3:06

dollars a year on Calvin Ridley

3:08

So it's okay to push away from the table

3:10

on him Or was he a

3:12

by any means necessary kind of player if

3:14

Kevin really said look I'd rather stay in

3:16

the South I'd rather stay away from income

3:19

tax from the state I'd rather stay away

3:21

from your millionaires tax and I'd rather stay

3:23

away from your TBD

3:25

a quarterback, so I'm gonna stick down

3:27

here not the Tennessee has a Check

3:30

that's the thing But I mean

3:32

the other things are factors, too. I

3:35

mean they have a new coach. I

3:37

mean it shows how undesirable the

3:39

Patriots are Before I get to that question though

3:41

was Ridley a guy who you would have looked

3:43

at and said by any means necessary Unless

3:47

he tells no because I'm not coming to you

3:49

know Listen you're not gonna make

3:51

them the highest paid receiver in football. I get it

3:53

and It sounds

3:55

like what they were reportedly willing to pay

3:57

for Calvin Ridley per Albert Breer

4:00

22 million a year would have paid him solidly in

4:02

the top 10, I believe, of receivers in the NFL.

4:05

That's an overpay. That's the reality of

4:07

free agency. And I, in some ways, Tom,

4:11

I won't stand up and applaud them for that, but I will

4:13

give them a little bit of a golf clap just for being

4:15

in it in a way that they never would have been in

4:17

it over the course of the last

4:19

20 years. We talked about this on

4:21

the radio earlier today, but Bill

4:24

Belichick's idea of a high-priced free agent is

4:26

Nelson Aguilar at 11 million per year a

4:28

few years ago. This would have been— The

4:30

22 million that they were offering per year

4:33

was the total value of the two-year

4:36

contract, given to Nelson Aguilar, who

4:38

stunk. Not

4:40

only did he stink, but they paid him more than

4:42

anybody else. So,

4:46

listen, there is, I think,

4:49

some positive to that, that

4:52

there will be a philosophical shift in terms

4:54

of how they invest in this team, that

4:57

this might be a more, quote-unquote,

4:59

modern approach to team building, because you do

5:01

value a position like receiver, which has become

5:03

a premium position in the NFL. And

5:06

so that's good. It's just you

5:08

would have loved for them to come away with the

5:10

guy because they are so bereft of talent there. And

5:13

so while I say it's not a by

5:15

any means necessary sort of addition, Tom, now

5:18

I don't know where they go, because they need it

5:20

too. And there

5:22

are some guys left in pre-agency, Mike

5:24

Williams, Hollywood Brown, maybe you can get one of

5:27

them and then you add one in the draft and you

5:29

have a real receiver room, but they don't have

5:31

it yet. And so I think it's fair for fans to look at

5:33

it and say, oh my God, what is this going to look like

5:35

in 2024? I know

5:37

post-Bill we are existing right now in a

5:39

don't be mean to Bill, it's piling on

5:41

period. But

5:43

last year, they were chasing wide

5:46

receivers away. Didn't

5:48

want Jacobi Myers, brought

5:50

in Juju. Had

5:52

no use for DeAndre Hopkins, even though they brought him

5:54

in and ultimately Bill didn't want him

5:56

because he didn't practice enough. You

5:59

know, I had a conversation with Robert Kraft, he wasn't saying

6:01

Bill, sign him. He's like, no, Andre,

6:03

no, don't practice enough. Instead

6:08

of paying those two what they would be this

6:10

year, they were out there

6:12

trying to pay Calvin really 22 million a year. I don't

6:14

even know if those two combined this year would have been

6:16

at 22 million. It's

6:19

just such a monumental screw up in

6:22

2023. And

6:25

I, by the end, I was like, yeah, they should sign DeAndre

6:27

Hopkins. They could use that at this juncture. They

6:30

wanted to keep Devontae Parker happy and they

6:32

wanted to get Juju Smith-Schuster in. And they're

6:35

paying the price right now because it's an

6:37

undesirable location. Bill, for his faults in

6:39

the last five or six seasons, was

6:41

still the only draw. There were

6:43

still guys that say, I'll go up there and play for Bill. But

6:46

it is absolutely mind blowing

6:48

the amount of rubble that they have to

6:50

dig out from under with bad

6:52

decisions made. Because the reason they were even

6:54

gonna be after DeAndre Hopkins was they couldn't

6:57

find a drafted receiver, not a Nikhil Harry,

6:59

not a Type 1 Thornton, not a you

7:01

name it. It's

7:03

mind blowing to me that you will have people after

7:05

the Patriots missed on Calvin Ridley and say, no

7:08

way for that guy? That's too

7:11

crazy. When the Patriots

7:13

themselves came very close to matching

7:15

that number, they disagree with the

7:17

people who say Calvin Ridley was

7:19

a drastic overpay. Or maybe they

7:21

would agree with it and they would say, I don't care. Because

7:25

our need is that great. And this is

7:27

what free agency is. So we

7:29

didn't push away from the table. I don't know

7:31

this Tom, but I wonder if they would

7:34

look at it and say we didn't push away from the table because we

7:37

thought he was worth essentially what he got. Here

7:41

are three questions that I have when it comes to this Ridley

7:43

deal that I would love to know the details on. And

7:46

we will try to figure these out in the near future

7:48

here. What was the guaranteed

7:50

money that the Patriots were offering? Because

7:52

if they were at 30 and the Titans are at

7:54

50, then it's not close and you get it. And

7:56

we can criticize them for that. That's a whole different

7:58

story now. that's the case. Were

8:01

they ever even given the opportunity to

8:03

match or exceed Tennessee's final offer? Meaning

8:08

did they have their strong offer

8:10

on the table to agent David

8:13

Moolagetta and then third team

8:15

comes swooping in Tennessee Titans they say to

8:17

Moolagetta, hey what's the best offer you've

8:19

got right now for Ridley? And he says 22 from

8:21

New England and they say if we make it 23

8:23

will he sign with us? Moolagetta

8:25

says, hell yeah let's go done deal.

8:28

And there's not even a call made to the Patriots

8:31

about re-upping it or maybe there is a call made

8:33

to the Patriots and the Patriots say I don't know

8:35

we might be negotiating against ourselves right now David. So

8:37

we like our deal we're not putting more

8:39

on the table just because you say there's a mystery third

8:41

team involved here that's willing to pay more. I would

8:44

love to know the details of that negotiation and how

8:46

that went because this is the first time general manager

8:48

and Elliot Wolf sort of

8:51

a fresh-faced front office. These are experienced

8:53

guys and smart guys but

8:55

nobody who was sat in

8:57

that GM chair before and so I just wonder

9:00

what that back-and-forth would have been like against an

9:03

agent or with an agent like Moolagetta who

9:05

is he's aggressive and he's been

9:07

very open and he's gone very public in terms of securing

9:09

the bag for his guys.

9:12

He sort of strikes me Tom is almost a football version

9:14

of Scott Boris right now because

9:16

he's got some really high profile clients making a lot of money.

9:18

Last question I have as

9:21

it pertains to Ridley is, was he ever coming to

9:23

New England period or were the Patriots

9:25

just being used this entire time to ratchet up the

9:27

number and then a team that he's actually willing to

9:29

go to came along and met it? And

9:32

that's the

9:35

undesirable nature of the Patriots franchise right

9:37

now is like fivefold.

9:40

First of all just on a financial standpoint

9:43

to live in Massachusetts and pay the state tax

9:45

and pay the millionaires tax and

9:48

comparing that to Jacksonville where he was where

9:51

Tennessee where he's going when neither of those

9:53

two things exist the

9:55

50 million dollars guaranteed that he's going to get in

9:57

Tennessee is not going to be taxed the same way.

10:00

So how much would the Patriots have had to offer

10:02

him so that it was Tennessee money? I

10:06

mean, like, there's an exchange rate that

10:08

exists within the United States from state

10:10

to state because of taxes. So

10:13

the Patriots would have had to go even higher. And

10:16

then again, Bill Belichick was a draw. Despite

10:22

the recent record, the Patriots themselves let him

10:24

go as long as they did because they

10:26

figured he'd fix it, I would

10:29

imagine sitting across from a six-time Super Bowl

10:31

champion who's an icon and a legend of

10:33

the game, if he's on the phone with

10:35

you, he might make you think twice. Even

10:38

if he doesn't have a quarterback. Yeah,

10:42

we've never done this for any wide receiver,

10:44

but Calvin, you're a guy. Or

10:47

would they even have been in on Calvin Ridley? I

10:50

mean, those are questions that I have. But

10:53

the disinterest, perhaps,

10:55

that we imagine that

10:58

Calvin Ridley would have in coming to the Patriots should

11:02

be a chilling realization for

11:04

Patriots fans. And as

11:06

a result, I

11:09

say, should they just be in the business now

11:11

of saying, we're not going to

11:13

attract anybody until

11:15

we get to be a better team? So

11:18

own it, live with it. As

11:21

I said the other day, eat your vegetables, take

11:23

your medicine and make your team better.

11:27

So if that means trading down because

11:30

you don't have a wide out for

11:33

your new quarterback to throw to and

11:35

you got torn ACLs

11:37

all over the joint coming in, Mike

11:40

Williams gets signed. Kendrick Warren,

11:42

Hunter Henry, Mike Williams, guys

11:44

all being rehabbed next to each other. Do

11:47

you just trade down and go and get Justin

11:50

Fields? I mean, Justin Fields for

11:52

a third, the Patriots

11:54

spent thirds on Dalton Keene

11:56

and Devin Asiasi in the same draft.

12:00

Swedish. So. I.

12:04

Love Thirds but Day with their we. They.

12:06

Have been use well here anyway. What?

12:08

Do you think all vessel. Is dropped

12:10

it on join. You

12:13

know it's interesting as you talk it out.

12:15

You know make your team better in and

12:17

therefore make your team a more palatable option

12:19

for free agents. You. Know

12:21

it might be the fastest way to do that. Actually,

12:24

sit at three in draft a quarterback. As

12:27

long as a quarterback and have been pretty good. You.

12:29

Know their guys. Now we're willing to go to Cincinnati

12:31

who never. Would. Have even considered looking

12:33

at Cincinnati? never mind living there are no

12:36

doubt. Just because you're borrows there.

12:38

So. If you get that caliber, Player three Overall:

12:41

And guys look at G. Daniels as a rookie say I

12:43

know they last won against. The teams are very good but

12:45

my goodness is that me an electric. And.

12:47

Is he gonna win a ton games at some point in his career?

12:49

Or. Same with Drake may. Boy. That's

12:51

the prototype, right? There's like twenty two years old.

12:55

Guy could throw threw a brick wall is pretty good

12:57

athlete to the suggestions two point oh his rookie. I

12:59

know they just one Five games twenty twenty four but

13:01

damn I might like to go play with that guy.

13:04

That. That might see your best bet.

13:07

That might be your most attractive. Selling.

13:10

Point. In the near future is a for

13:12

the quarterback and you get it right. What?

13:16

About the notion of just loading loading up the

13:18

room you got to coby reset. That

13:20

doesn't preclude you from going again. Just and

13:22

fields. Just

13:24

the Vikings are going to go get just and fields.

13:27

Bears are going to given to the Vikings within the division.

13:32

That will be to supplant same donald. Patriot.

13:35

Should just start opening a dialogue.

13:39

Many. Bringing Jimmy. You

13:41

know you bring him to be mid September. So

13:44

you have reset. This

13:46

is rob below. Feals. Zapped.

13:49

Is on the practice squad. Where's.

13:53

Nathan Rourke. Nathan. Rourke,

13:55

Cfl. Isn't Cfl

13:57

but get him speed dial. No.

14:02

Literal you're going to go up and say this

14:04

guy's frigid good. Oh

14:07

I mean I know it. It might end up

14:09

being the best thing for them to do, but.

14:13

Can. You imagine. How. Training camp

14:15

is going to feel for us. We're

14:17

watching and that's the guy that we're all

14:19

watching his left tackle. oh you seem hit

14:21

their bag. Pay him he looks

14:23

strong Jacoby, how does your outlook over

14:26

there? Bailey.

14:29

How does your outlook? I

14:31

don't always go through my progression. Tom. Mason

14:34

how does your work at best of it Was

14:36

a member of but nobody hit me in practice

14:38

which is usually good size. For

14:40

not supposed to hit you in practice. Oh

14:43

they're not l. O the

14:45

never mind of god now I have absolutely no

14:47

idea whether the guys get her nuts. do it

14:49

he a be a second tier y dos interest

14:51

you. Yes

14:53

Hollywood. Yet

14:55

to a degree Mike Williams to a degree say

14:57

I was just starting with this out in the

14:59

newsroom with our producer just kept asta are we

15:01

know the receiver and looks bad right now especially

15:03

after missing out on really what if by tomorrow

15:05

they have signed both Mike Williams in Hollywood route.

15:08

And. I you've got Mike Williams, Hollywood

15:11

Brown, Pop Douglas. Maybe. A

15:13

rookie in the sec around. I like that's a receiver

15:15

room them. Are are they blow

15:17

you away with talent? Know. But. That's

15:19

a professional receiver him. As

15:21

better than anything that had last year's

15:23

yeah. It's funny because. I

15:26

traditionally have been. Of

15:29

we people stop. It's just the beginning of

15:31

free agency kind of guy. Including

15:33

with Bill through up with Bill. I

15:35

mean with the Patriots spent in twenty Twenty one.

15:38

As they did which was drunken

15:40

sailor status. And. They did

15:42

spend. City. Irresponsibly.

15:45

On guys who hadn't done much. Charlie.

15:48

Smith had flashes Nelson Ag Works was

15:50

coming off a good deal with the

15:52

Raiders. Patriots spent top the market on

15:54

both of those guys. Hunter, Henry, Be.

15:56

Paid him like a really good player. Albeit

15:58

a tight end. So those

16:00

were. Really? Aggressive. spends.

16:04

But even in the years the patriots didn't do

16:06

much, Twenty Twenty two Armor B Y y them

16:08

then the direct so they did a very last

16:10

year we bomb. Figure. Out what's

16:12

going on. And last year I

16:14

was willing to sit. There is a huge you might

16:16

be better after the catch. I

16:18

mean it. It makes sense to me to move on

16:20

from a homegrown player. In

16:23

a vacuum. Specially when I guess I

16:25

didn't Mccorvey, etc say this is not

16:27

a great idea. Why? Would you

16:29

move the one guy who knows I do business Audio

16:31

Wide Receiver Room. As again, you never

16:34

know. Maybe devout they parker catches. At

16:37

least fifty percent of a fifty fifty balls that he

16:39

said it would get eighty percent of any was only

16:41

getting twenty percent. It

16:45

is too early to proclaim massive

16:47

failure. For. The Patriots

16:50

off season. And

16:53

are what to do? Not a song. Is.

16:56

What We Watch: Tower Bridge or the other night on early

16:58

Edition. And it was

17:00

our eyes working on deal. He's trying to get

17:02

his get Somebody on the line here. I

17:04

was over his play candy crush. And

17:07

Seth it's natural he was minutes I know

17:09

what I'm doing is I'm getting our guest

17:11

or into our into our zoom chat room

17:13

here. oh that a guest for the blood

17:15

yeah he just sex mean says any the

17:17

lanky semi the like some hello I put

17:19

we could look. At I'm helping the pod

17:21

right now. Ah, I

17:24

thought I did a twitter dm them. To.

17:26

Make meant to. Make. Tried to.

17:29

Call That means you did. Pick.

17:32

And you realize that link? I. Don't

17:34

see it. Affects kids

17:37

I didn't post I linked.

17:40

To fifteen and like. To.

17:42

Touch a day and so rather curious and I

17:44

never. Put. The Lincoln know

17:47

like absolute donkey. Complete

17:49

fifty six year old behavior. This.

17:52

Is for Nystrom and to a

17:54

nice from is a fantastic college

17:56

football. Expert.

17:58

He is expert on one. quarterbacks, there he

18:00

is right now. I'm just bringing in. Why

18:03

don't you give the skinny on your bio for

18:06

while I'm halfway through it? Oh, fantasy

18:09

pros betting pros at Thor KU

18:11

on Twitter. I think

18:14

I think that covers it. Well, we were first

18:16

introduced to Thor when he was working with us

18:19

at NBC, and he came on a few years

18:21

ago. And this is what he had to say

18:23

when he was actually on early edition talking about

18:25

the quarterback class in 2021

18:27

and what he thought of Mac Jones

18:29

at the time. Check this out.

18:31

It may even be four quarterbacks in the top four.

18:33

The Patriots are in a tough spot because you've got

18:35

to get up a ways there. Unless

18:38

you're cool with Mac Jones. I truly do

18:40

not believe the Mac Jones will be the

18:42

third pick. If you like him enough, I

18:44

mean, you're going to have to decide what

18:46

when the juices were to squeeze there. For

18:48

me, I'm not moving up, not for Mac

18:51

Jones. If it's for Trey Lance or Justin

18:53

Fields, yeah, I'm going to buck up some

18:55

future first round packs or pony up whatever

18:57

I need to move up. Now, Mac Jones

18:59

is good against pressure and his accuracy in

19:01

the short to intermediate range is very, very

19:03

good. He is going to run a system

19:05

effectively. I do believe that. But

19:08

there's a difference for me between a guy

19:10

who's ceiling is a very good game manager

19:12

and a guy who's ceiling is a guy

19:14

that changes the game. So the

19:16

reason we wanted to have our guy Thor in here wasn't

19:18

just his expertise in 2021 on Mac

19:21

Jones, which was excellent, by the way. Never

19:23

saying on Mac that

19:25

he wasn't good, but just perceiving

19:27

very correctly what he was. And you can hear

19:30

in there, he said Trey Lance, whatever. Everybody

19:32

liked Trey Lance as a player in

19:34

terms of what he could do injuries, whatever.

19:38

The upshot of all this. Kyle Shanahan is the best offensive

19:40

mind on the planet. He liked him a lot. So he

19:43

also liked that. But the

19:45

reason I wanted to bring Thor in is because Patriots sit here

19:47

at three now and

19:50

there's three quarterbacks viewed to be his

19:52

top three quarterbacks to draft. But Thor

19:54

is coming off the top rope again

19:56

and again And again. With.

20:00

Jeffrey. Jamison.

20:03

Mccarthy. Tj. Mccarthy.

20:06

Is. He really. He. Knew how

20:09

good is. he's. the were in your mind relative to

20:11

the other Qbs. I think

20:13

she's really really got he. He's the

20:15

Qb three on my board. I really

20:17

really good athlete he's gonna run into

20:19

high for for his love for fives

20:21

if he runs out. It's Pro Day!

20:23

We are very credible reports on that.

20:25

He waited to the Nfl Combine seventy

20:27

pounds heavier than you is listed on

20:29

his Michigan By off and proceeded to

20:32

run the fifth fastest three can't at

20:34

the entire Nfl Combine. Regardless of position

20:36

or the arm strength, he has an

20:38

absolute ten and the fastest. Our past

20:40

that they've ever track The Max Velocity

20:42

Nfl Combine sixty. Two Miles per Hour

20:44

Josh Allen did it are several years

20:46

ago John Milton match it year by

20:48

Judy Mccarthy at a sixty one mile

20:50

per hour drama. I his deep throwing

20:52

on a per pass basis was very

20:54

good last year at Michigan. Pressure numbers

20:57

very good. But what I love most

20:59

about his game and the translation to

21:01

the Nfl? it's throwing on the run

21:03

t especially Dad I. He's a guy

21:05

who keeps his eyes up, He keeps

21:07

up a body talk to throw the

21:09

entire time with his legs under him.

21:11

He always has his senses. About him

21:13

knows where the past the pass rushers

21:15

are and everything like that. Does a

21:17

good job manipulating the pockets before he

21:19

starts moving, but once he starts moving

21:22

he gets even more dangerous and doesn't

21:24

lose any accuracy whatsoever on the move.

21:26

because of this because he takes his

21:28

mechanics with them. Like. Like I said

21:30

he is. he's always talk to throw

21:32

with those eyes up. I think last

21:34

year his it's completion percentage was it

21:36

was seventy two point something in an

21:38

aggregate to completion percentage was scrambling with

21:40

seventy us any percentage off off off

21:42

his efficiency numbers while he was on

21:44

the moon. Smart kid, tough kid. Everyone

21:46

has been around him fonz over him.

21:48

Jim Harbaugh the Chargers code. I believe

21:50

he should be the number one overall

21:53

pick in this draft. There's a lot

21:55

of things to like about Jj Mccarthy.

21:57

The. atomic i were talking just yesterday about

22:00

Jay McCarthy Thorin and I said to him

22:02

some of the throws that he makes on the move.

22:04

He looks like a shortstop He's just very fluid.

22:07

The mechanics are there. It looks like I'm not

22:09

a quarterback Guru, but

22:11

some of the numbers are incredible to you mentioned

22:13

the plus 70% terms of completion percentage One

22:16

number that I've seen that blows me away is it's

22:19

even higher than that in terms of his on

22:21

target is quote-unquote on target Rate it's almost 80%

22:25

so, you know completion percentage is one thing. Maybe some

22:27

of those are droughts Maybe you know, they're right there

22:29

at the catchpoint to the fenders there and gets knocked

22:31

away But he is really accurate

22:33

on the move and in a league where

22:35

you have to make the first guy miss generally speaking

22:38

and you Have to be able to play out of

22:40

structure to succeed especially on third down That's

22:42

a great skill to have what do you say to the people though

22:44

Thor who say? Sorry The

22:48

breadth of work isn't there for me

22:50

because he played in an offense that just did not

22:52

rely on him enough You've got games where he's you

22:54

know, barely cracking 12 attempts, you

22:56

know That's that's not what I'm looking for in

22:58

my next franchise quarterback. Yeah, I don't

23:00

I don't think that's a fair criticism This

23:02

is a kid who is a prodigy

23:05

of an out of structure prospect who

23:07

fit his game into an NFL Pro-style

23:09

system under Jim Harbaugh at Michigan. He

23:12

stole the job from a veteran guy

23:14

Kate McNamara who had just stolen a

23:16

job from a top 10 quarterback prospect

23:18

in this class Jill Milton The

23:21

second year third year he wins the national title

23:23

game as a 20 year old And

23:26

he proved in so doing that

23:28

he can also win with in structure. So

23:30

that's what you got to see at Michigan

23:32

I talked about the out of structure machinations

23:34

there. I think the narrative with

23:37

JJ McCarthy it gets inverted certainly

23:39

unfairly Instead of talking about

23:41

that and these alterations that he made to his

23:43

game and the things that he proved and then

23:46

how you can Project these other things that we

23:48

didn't get to see quite as much. We got

23:50

to see the flashes of it We know we

23:52

can do it. What will that look like in

23:55

an NFL offense when he's throwing more when his

23:57

team isn't just Logging opponents in the second half

24:00

he gets to play in the fourth quarter, I think

24:02

it was 11 games last year. Michigan had a

24:05

21 plus point lead. Seven of the

24:07

15 games that Michigan played last year.

24:09

JJ McCarthy did not take one fourth

24:11

quarter snap. That's why the volume stats

24:13

got away from him. But to your

24:15

point about the constitution of the Michigan

24:17

offense, you look at Blake quorum stats.

24:20

I find it so funny when people

24:22

are like, Oh, you know, they poo

24:24

poo JJ McCarthy and then try to

24:26

pretend that Blake quorum is this Colossus

24:28

in this force. And the only reason

24:30

that Michigan won the national title, it's because

24:32

of Blake quorum. The only reason that he

24:34

was being just the,

24:37

the, the, the, the, the Michigan running back.

24:39

Yeah. So last year, Blake quorum coming off

24:42

of an injury, had a 27.4 elusive

24:44

rating for people out there.

24:47

A hundred is considered solid.

24:50

I Blake quorum 2.42 yards

24:52

after contact per attempt decidedly

24:55

well below average in this class. Blake

24:57

quorum was not great last year and

24:59

Blake quorum also is not a receiving

25:02

back. Michigan's receiving back Donovan Edwards was

25:04

on a milk carton all last fall

25:06

until the very last game. And then

25:09

to your point fell about the discrepancy

25:11

between the accuracy percentage and the on

25:13

target rate that speaks to

25:16

the receivers. That he was working

25:18

with the receiving court, Roman

25:20

Wilson's okay. You know, he's probably going to be

25:22

an early third round pick. Cornelius

25:24

Johnson is a seventh round guy. And then

25:26

they had two tight ends out there. He

25:28

didn't get to work with Michael Pinnix is

25:31

receiving court, JJ McCarthy didn't, he didn't get

25:33

to work with bone Nick says receiving court.

25:35

He didn't get to work with the, you

25:37

know, the, the weapons that those other guys

25:39

did or in the systems that those guys

25:41

did piling up empty calorie stats like bone

25:43

Nick's did against the aggregate 80th defensive rank

25:46

last year where bone X would just take

25:48

the ball in shotgun, immediately turn to the

25:50

left of the right and then throw a

25:52

funnel screen. He didn't, and

25:54

then he pile up all these yak yardage

25:57

Jj McCarthy didn't get to do that when

25:59

he threw the the bar it was after

26:02

Michigan and run on first or second down

26:04

are resorting to line of scrimmage Blake format

26:06

for yards before contact every attempt to. That's

26:08

where that that came into place. Michigan at

26:10

the number two. Rents are P of our

26:13

offensive line. grades for run blocking last year

26:15

think they were in the twenties for pass

26:17

blocking rates are a little bit. We're still

26:19

good but but not quite as good but

26:21

wins. Eugene Mccarthy went back to past invariably

26:23

was in third and long situations where the

26:26

defence knew what was coming in humans throw

26:28

into a receiving corps. the with. Not as

26:30

good as some of these other top. Five. Top

26:32

six quarterbacks in the class and the difference

26:34

is still couldn't stop on. That.

26:36

Is what Nfl coaches terrible invite. By the

26:39

way of the top six quarterbacks in the

26:41

aggregate did you? Mccarthy played by far the

26:43

best defensive strength that when you're talking about

26:45

that and then having the joy in the

26:47

office assistant dean given the empty calories stop

26:50

he didn't have the the receivers had some

26:52

of these other guys that. But. He

26:54

still was. By far the with this

26:56

class is best. Quarterbacks in third and

26:58

longs in a recent thirds down situations

27:00

periods. I that's why you start to

27:02

see Judy Mccarthy shining. It's of these.

27:04

That's when you look at the correct

27:06

stats. When. You say he's a third

27:08

quarterback who are the two guys ahead. Of

27:10

him. I. Have Caleb one and I obtain

27:13

Daniels to. Wise. Ghz band of

27:15

the Drake May is a close in your mind

27:17

and is there anything the Drake May does? Superior.

27:20

Not just physically in terms of stature

27:22

that he does superior to. I'm

27:25

shooting. For. Sure yeah I

27:27

mean I have dragged me my top ten overall.

27:29

So I for me this is always been a

27:31

big for a quarterback class. I think it was

27:34

unfairly labeled as a big three heading into the

27:36

process. I think the Nfl are. We saw it

27:38

as it to as a big for and now

27:40

we're going around a reality on on. That's what

27:42

it is far as drink made The The reason

27:45

that I put him beneath Mccarthy is. First.

27:47

Of all you know he likes you when see

27:49

and rushing and twenty twenty two of the you

27:52

guys know Sam how of ran for a bunch

27:54

of yards in the fill on go off and

27:56

his last season as well. last season I'd drink

27:58

made in run for nearly as. The Yard

28:00

There's been this idea that drag me is

28:02

the rushing Utilities can be like Herbert's can

28:04

be like or Josh Al and or whatever.

28:07

No doubt is not going to translate to

28:09

the Nfl. He is not that caliber of

28:11

athletes. He is going to be more or

28:13

less a pocket passing quarterback in the Nfl

28:15

up. The thing that is superior to Mccarthy

28:18

I drink May has a Howitzer for an

28:20

arm. He has one of the butter arms

28:22

that you're going to see coming out. I

28:24

love that. I love his are deep touched.

28:26

Very very good I attacking downfield. he's awesome

28:28

at that kind of stuff. And

28:31

in the pocket started like manipulating a

28:33

pocket sensing the rice. I like different

28:35

stuff I.on but one thing I don't

28:37

like is when the pass rush starts

28:39

to get there like it's it's not

28:41

completely there but it it's starting to

28:43

get inside of it's kitchen. One thing

28:45

I noticed about Drag Me over the

28:47

last couple years is you know to

28:49

city begins to speed up his process

28:51

really quick that. The. It like

28:53

it's a he doesn't panic until sort of

28:55

it is. it's starting to com and know

28:57

that are I got to get up all

29:00

us suggests he just speedster everything. That's when

29:02

the accuracy outskirts to get a little bit

29:04

aaron on him and he doesn't have that

29:06

athleticism to extend the play like a Mccarthy

29:09

are like a Tale of Williams are like

29:11

I Daniels to escape containment and and and

29:13

get up the or whatever I've certainly projecting

29:15

to the another level. so it's it's also

29:18

in and set. Some spotty decision making is

29:20

why it's funny and to spill into your

29:22

more. Than draft guru than I but he

29:24

was interesting and watching Drake May taught ups

29:26

and I was smart enough to watch every

29:29

sack was a sack and ups I watched

29:31

every sack of trip back. He is not.

29:34

He doesn't have great lateral quickness or acceleration

29:36

to get to the edge. He. Got

29:38

caught a lot by defensive lineman. Who.

29:41

Would shoestring him and bring him down. I was the

29:43

as surprise attack is also it's. It's. Added

29:45

things you saw: Gg Mccarthy, for

29:47

instance, uplifted to put up last

29:49

night, was parkinsonian in his ability

29:51

to. Scoot. Scoot Scoot

29:54

Reset School. And I didn't

29:56

see that from Drag May you don't always want that.

29:58

From. A quarterback either. What? Do

30:00

I was surprised that. He

30:03

was is not lumbering. Any

30:05

faster. The mack. But

30:07

he's not a gazelle. Now

30:10

and so are you gonna necessarily

30:12

incorporate him into your. Offenses

30:14

you know, run game and and design

30:16

runs for him. Probably not. I guess

30:19

you could. He

30:21

is. Twenty. One years old, maybe get

30:23

stronger, maybe becomes a better runner at some point

30:25

time over the next few years, but. Ah,

30:28

I'm. I'm. Okay with it.

30:31

The. Fact that he's not that kind of athlete

30:33

because. I. Think Unless

30:35

you're Josh Allen and you're sort of built

30:37

like a tight end, you're kind of asking

30:39

for trouble. Ah, and it can elevate your

30:42

floor. Is a quarterback having that run game

30:44

available to you. Can.

30:46

Do a world a good for guy who's get

30:48

his feet wet in the Nfl and trying to

30:50

be productive. That's part of a resume I really

30:52

like a day I. Especially in a bad

30:54

situation would you might be here in New England. Thought

30:56

he could take off and run for sixty yards. At

30:59

any point in time, And you know,

31:02

maybe that's worth the risk and always

31:04

two hundred pounds. If. That com

31:06

I know is a little bit older.

31:08

maybe? the ceiling is. I'd. Eat

31:11

Arty kind of their as opposed to May

31:13

or Jj Mccarthy who are poor much younger

31:15

players. And

31:18

so I find that I find that a ha

31:20

ha you way all of those things together really

31:22

interesting and for me, Just to get

31:24

back to Jj Mccarthy it in. I talked to

31:26

one executive at the Combine born. Talk.

31:29

About quarterbacks and. Sort.

31:31

Of looks like it's gonna be quarterbacks through

31:33

the first three picks, right? and

31:36

when I was told was. Might. Be the first for.

31:40

I said really because I had heard the Jd.

31:42

Mccarthy was that good in the room. Had interviewed

31:44

really well Mccarthy people. People look at him that

31:46

way. Her. They. Do at And

31:48

so. I wouldn't be stunned.

31:50

and I had this in our most recent mock

31:53

draft on Nbc Sports bottom of our com: Quarterbacks

31:55

one, two, three, And. Four with the

31:57

Cardinals trading out. Who's. the safest

31:59

pick Between May Daniels

32:01

and JJ Between

32:05

May Daniels and the safest one would

32:07

be Daniels I think of those guys

32:09

No, that's safe for the GM but

32:11

safe in terms of because Daniels would

32:13

be the safest pick for the GM

32:16

You can say look he was Heisman Trophy winner He just you

32:18

know, he would compile 600 yards

32:20

of offense single-handedly in a game How

32:23

could I do anything JJ McCarthy would

32:25

probably be a bigger dice roll for

32:27

a GM So for

32:29

a GM, Jayden Daniels is safe, but is he also the

32:31

safest on the field? Well, I

32:34

think the thing that gives Jayden Daniels the

32:36

floor is to me he comes into the

32:38

NFL with two superpowers It's

32:40

the howitzer downfield with the touch

32:43

He's so good throwing down the field and

32:45

then it's that the ability

32:47

as a runner to wreak havoc So

32:49

you and then everything of his game

32:52

it plays off those two different things

32:54

But those two things alone heading into

32:56

the NFL that sets your floor and

32:58

it's a pretty high one Right

33:01

like because you know, you have the scrambling

33:03

ability then, you know You have the deep

33:05

throwing stuff which is gonna open up spacing

33:08

and to me he's like, you know We

33:10

think about this like with basketball usually but

33:12

a player that steps onto the court and

33:14

every time he does he changed Changed the

33:17

spacing of the floor that he's on. Yeah,

33:19

because of the way that Jayden

33:21

Daniels plays every single play He

33:24

becomes like this our puzzle for

33:26

the defensive coordinator of do we

33:28

keep back to deep safeties to take away

33:30

the deep ball? But if we do that,

33:32

then you can't spy Daniels You might not

33:34

be able to blitz them Do you keep

33:36

a spy on them to try to keep

33:38

them penned in and contain but then you

33:40

can't have the deep help Do you try

33:42

to blitz him to try to speed things

33:45

up? But Daniels was the best PFF graded

33:47

quarterback under the blitz last year So

33:49

he's very good at that as well It

33:51

just becomes a problem both with numbers and

33:53

then the spacing do you keep the resources

33:55

deep? Do you move them up? How

33:58

do you do that to me? My

34:00

fear with Jaden Daniels is you're going to look back

34:02

at the pro football reference bio

34:05

page in four years and see nine

34:08

games, 11 games, four games, 16

34:10

games. When

34:21

you consider these four quarterbacks in the 2024 draft

34:24

relative to the five taken in the

34:26

first round in 2021, it's a

34:29

little bit of an exercise here. How

34:31

would you stack them? It's

34:35

nine guys, but you got

34:37

Lawrence, Williams, Lance,

34:40

Fields, Zach, and

34:44

then Mac, and then these

34:46

three others that we've been talking about. So Tom,

34:48

would this be like my rankings of them like

34:50

heading into the draft? If they were all in

34:52

this draft together. Okay. Not knowing

34:54

what we know now. Right.

34:57

So what my grades were on the 2021

34:59

guys heading into that class, right? Yeah. Yeah.

35:03

So you got the numbers. Yeah. So

35:05

in terms of that, I

35:07

would have Lawrence one, Caleb

35:09

two, three would have Daniels

35:14

four fields.

35:24

Then I would have McCarthy

35:26

five, six,

35:31

six probably made then

35:34

Lance. Then I

35:36

had, I think was a Mac Mac

35:39

and Wilson. Did you hate Wilson? I

35:41

hated Wilson. Yeah. I spent

35:43

that whole, that whole spring just fighting the

35:45

Zach Wilson hive. I

35:48

didn't even feel good about taking a victory

35:50

lap on that because Zach Wilson became the

35:52

number two overall pick in the draft because

35:54

of a historical anomaly that was

35:57

a worldwide pandemic that forced. first BYU

35:59

and independent team to modify their schedule

36:01

because all the big conferences, they just

36:03

wanted to play in conference that year.

36:06

So BYU had the most atrocious strength

36:08

in schedule that you'll ever see, Zach

36:10

Wilton's last year. That's how we became

36:13

a high pick. And I screamed

36:15

it from the mountaintops, but the Jets were not

36:17

listening, that process. The Jets did not get around

36:19

to that. It was a pandemic they didn't hear.

36:22

Yeah, exactly. So you

36:24

had Jones ahead of Zach? Yeah,

36:26

I think so. So that would be like 8-9. Yeah.

36:29

That's interesting. Phil, what do you take a... It

36:32

kind of tells you that this is a better quarterback class than

36:35

the one from two years ago that yielded

36:37

five guys. Yeah, but it might make

36:39

you scared of Drake May, if you hear that

36:41

ranking right there. And I think there are... Listen,

36:43

I think the consensus is on Drake May that

36:46

there is no consensus. It just feels like

36:48

he is a boom or

36:50

bust kind of player. And if he

36:53

continues to have... And I know Thor still has him in

36:55

his top 10. It's not like he's down on Drake May

36:58

as a prospect. But is

37:00

that what you're looking for if you're picking third overall

37:02

if you're the Patriots and you have so many other

37:04

needs? Do you start to work

37:06

your way back toward if Caleb Williams

37:08

is off at one, which we expect to happen,

37:11

and Jayden Daniels is off at two, and

37:13

you're looking at your receiver room and it doesn't look

37:16

much better than it does right now, and you don't

37:18

have many sure things outside of Pop Douglas, and you

37:20

have a hole or two and big

37:22

ones on your offensive line, does

37:25

it make sense to take Drake May at three there? Or

37:28

are you asking to put a quarterback in a bad

37:30

situation? Or maybe you don't care, Thor.

37:33

I would ask you, are you

37:35

comfortable going the Joe Burrow route and

37:37

taking a good quarterback, dropping him into a

37:39

bad situation and saying, go

37:41

get him, buddy. And hopefully this works

37:43

in a couple years. Or would you rather punt on

37:46

the opportunity to take a quarterback, do what the Chiefs

37:48

did back in 2013, go

37:50

with a veteran, take a tackle in the top part

37:52

of the draft, and then really

37:54

wait for the right opportunity to

37:56

get the right quarterback. Yeah, in

37:58

the Patriot situation... I think it's definitely worth

38:01

considering all alternatives, you know, whether it's it's

38:03

the quarterback or whether it's trading down I

38:05

would want to know what the offers are

38:07

Obviously in my neck of the woods the

38:09

Vikings are actively working the phone lines They're

38:11

gonna want to be trying to move up

38:13

the Broncos are gonna be trying to move

38:15

up So the Patriots are gonna and those

38:17

are not the only teams that are gonna

38:19

be trying to move up The Patriots will

38:21

have options to move down But I think

38:23

your points well taken of you have to

38:25

consider it of if we take Drake May

38:27

here We don't love our offensive line. We

38:30

have bad receivers. You can't just do the

38:32

thing of like Oh, even if you love

38:34

Drake May more than I do like

38:37

to be like, oh, we'll just drop him into a bad

38:39

situation He's gonna overcome the circumstances

38:41

what evidence you have no one ever

38:43

got last no one ever does Well

38:45

burrow did borrow did Peyton Manning

38:47

did you know like those guys overcome it?

38:49

They come out the other side and they're

38:52

okay Got some toys in Manning got some

38:54

toys in you know, Edger and James and

38:56

Marvin Harrison at all And

38:58

I think borrow got his Jamar Chase within a

39:00

year Specific to Drake

39:03

May in 2022 when he went ballistic That

39:06

was in one of the most quarterback friendly systems that we

39:08

have in college football the Phil Longo system He worked with

39:10

Sam Howell before that he worked with Matt Corral before that

39:13

those guys, you know When maybe he pioneered the draft and

39:15

they should have because of that Well, I howled I guess

39:17

drop down a little bit because that last year he was

39:19

just scrambling around But you know, you

39:21

got to throw down field you got the advantageous

39:23

looks you're spreading the field different stuff like that

39:26

You're out It's a lot of pre snap reads

39:28

of where's my number advantage and different stuff like

39:30

that and then flinging it with that When you

39:32

have the best of it one on one deep

39:35

That's the thing that Drake May is the best

39:37

at the circumstances change this year and then you

39:39

you you modify the offense a bit The

39:42

Josh Downs goes to the NFL all

39:44

of a sudden Drake May's play is

39:46

not quite as good So I think

39:48

there is something like and again, I'm

39:50

not trying to nitpick Drake May too

39:53

much But you can't just be like

39:55

the circumstances around Drake May don't matter

39:57

because he's so dang good based on

39:59

even and what we've just seen the last two

40:01

calendar years with him. Boy,

40:04

this was great. Way smarter than we

40:06

were before. It's fascinating

40:08

to hear the intel relative

40:11

to this year's class, last year's class,

40:13

what the Patriots are looking at. It's

40:15

funny you being in Minnesota, because I

40:17

think that's one of the

40:19

teams the Patriots should absolutely answer every call

40:21

from the Raiders. Falcons

40:23

have addressed their need. But

40:26

all these teams are

40:28

ones that the Patriots should be talking to and

40:30

seeing who they can absolutely rake

40:32

over the coals to get whatever they

40:34

want. And even if they have to move down to Arizona

40:38

is at four, right? Yeah, Arizona is at

40:40

four. Thor, what would the

40:42

Vikings be willing to give up for three, you think?

40:45

Well, so for five, because that's

40:47

been the more popular one, the trade

40:49

chart it drives at 11 and

40:52

the Vikings first round pick next year. Chargers

40:54

will probably make them toss in maybe a late

40:56

round pick this year out the door in the

40:58

negotiation to get that thing done. The

41:01

three pick, you're obviously it's going to be

41:03

more than that. This

41:05

is where it gets interesting of if the

41:07

Patriots demand the next two first round picks,

41:09

which, but that's what I would do if

41:11

I was them, that might

41:13

be the moment where it becomes cost prohibitive for

41:16

the Vikings. But that's closer to the Kelly

41:18

Bluebuck. And when you look at the precedent

41:20

of these trades going from 11 to three,

41:22

that's closer to the value of

41:25

that third pick. Could the Vikings, could

41:27

they jive it with, will give you 11,

41:29

will give you 42, the Vikings picking

41:32

the second round and the first rounder

41:34

next year so that we can save

41:36

the other first round pick. Maybe you

41:39

could haggle a little bit, but I think that's

41:41

around where you're at with that. And that to

41:44

me is how teams build, is

41:46

they start creating a little

41:48

nest of picks that gives them mobility in the

41:50

next year's draft, gives them mobility in this draft.

41:52

If you can get a 2024 first,

41:54

you drop down to

41:57

11, another one in 2025. And

42:00

even a 2026, chill? Or

42:04

the second round, or it's, or is right on

42:06

that front. Usually, usually the way the league values

42:09

these picks is you dock it

42:11

around. For every year. If

42:13

it's a future pick, right? So if you get

42:15

a, if you get a future first, that's the

42:17

equivalent to a current day second. Um,

42:19

so either way,

42:22

it's something that the Patriots, I think have

42:24

to consider, especially if they're not fully, fully

42:27

sold on whichever quarterback's going to drop to them

42:29

at three overall. I'm not letting you go yet.

42:31

Cause I want to ask you about the logic

42:33

of doing that and then going

42:35

and getting Justin fields. For

42:38

the Patriots. Yeah. What the hell? Just keep

42:40

throwing quarterbacks into that room. You got to be

42:42

set, but go ahead. I think that'd

42:44

be brilliant. You know, if you trade down with the

42:46

Vikings and get their first round pick next year, the,

42:48

the Vikings aren't going to be good next year because

42:50

they have to take all the, they have their leave

42:52

the league by far and then dead cap hit, you

42:54

know, for this year, they had the three guys at

42:56

the dead cap. So the Vikings, they're not going to

42:58

be contending next year. That picks going to be in

43:00

the top half of the first round. The Patriots then

43:03

would be indicating that they're not, you know, you guys

43:05

aren't going to be contending next year either. Neither of

43:07

us are. So you're going to have two picks in

43:09

the top half of the first round. Then the Justin

43:11

fields thing, his trademark it is such where I think

43:13

a third round pick gets that done right now.

43:16

That's perfectly reasonable. You trade them a

43:18

third round pick. You let field start

43:20

for one year on a cheap contract.

43:22

When he leaves as a free agent,

43:24

probably he's going to sign for a contract where you recoup

43:26

a third round comp pick. If not, it's going to be

43:29

a fourth. So you're getting the

43:31

pick back on the opposite this year. They had the

43:33

three guys at the dead cap. So the Vikings, they're

43:35

not going to be contending next year. That picks going

43:37

to be in the top half of the first round.

43:39

The Patriots then would be indicating that they're not, you

43:42

know, you guys aren't going to be contending next year

43:44

either. Neither of us are. So you're going to have

43:46

two picks in the top half of the first round.

43:48

Then the Justin fields thing, his trademark it is such

43:50

where I think a third round pick gets that done

43:53

right now. That's perfectly reasonable.

43:55

You trade them a third round pick. You

43:57

let field start for one year on a

43:59

cheap contract. contract, when he leaves as a

44:01

free agent, probably he's going to sign for

44:03

a contract where you recoup a third round comp pick. If

44:06

not, it's going to be a fourth. So

44:08

you're getting the pick back on the opposite

44:10

end when you got one year of a

44:12

starting quarterback and acceptable starting quarterback in the

44:14

NFL at a very acceptable market rate. I

44:17

don't understand why a couple of these quarterback

44:19

desperate teams are not jumping on this. If

44:21

I was Sean Payton, I would have already

44:23

tried to consummate that trade. If I was

44:25

the Giants, I would have offered that instead

44:27

of signing Drew Lock. Let

44:30

me slow this down. The Patriots have the

44:32

potential then, for instance, just to spit all this

44:34

out. Say they traded and

44:39

brought in fields and then sent to the Vikings, hey, you want

44:41

to come up? You want to come up to three? We're

44:44

going to take your 11th overall pick, and

44:47

we're going to take a second

44:50

round this year as well. So

44:52

then, Phil, you got the fields. You

44:54

can take the field. And the 2025 first. And

44:57

you get your Roma Dunsay. And

45:00

the second this year, and the 2025 first,

45:04

they are in an unbelievable position to make

45:06

this a rapid rebuild. You can rebuild faster

45:08

by trading down than you can if you

45:10

take a quarterback, Phil. That I

45:12

believe. Yeah, I think the – listen,

45:15

I like that idea. And I am a fan

45:17

of Justin Fields, especially now. It sounds as though

45:19

the price tag for him, Thor, is low

45:22

to low. Yes. But

45:25

I think you're still looking for your quarterback. And

45:27

you're always going to be looking for your quarterback. You could have

45:29

the best roster in football. You could be the

45:31

San Francisco 49ers. And, Phil,

45:33

as though you don't have the quarterback in Jimmy Garoppolo and

45:35

move heaven and earth to make sure you get the guy

45:38

and still not have the guy. And then

45:40

luck into the guy in the seventh round. You know what

45:42

I mean? Like, so if you think the quarterback's there, and

45:45

you have conviction in that evaluation, you

45:47

can't pass on him. If you

45:49

don't, what we're talking about is the smart thing

45:51

to do. For sure. Yeah, we

45:53

just don't know how the top of that Patriots

45:55

board looks. You know, like, there has been –

45:57

you know, there's been reports of – these are

45:59

the two quarterbacks. for sitting dead right on, but

46:01

other people report different stuff. You

46:03

guys know quite a bit. Yeah. Be kidding. I don't know

46:05

yet to be on that. They

46:07

don't, they don't know yet. My

46:10

feeling is Thor, their default

46:12

is quarterback. They're going to have to

46:14

be moved off that spot by somebody

46:16

disqualifying themselves. Whether

46:18

that be Drake may and you just say,

46:20

we just can't, I can't look at this anymore and get him out.

46:22

We're not doing that. Or JJ

46:24

McCarthy isn't good enough for them or

46:27

whatever. I think they have to be

46:29

moved off that spot. Phil from the conversations you've had.

46:32

Same thing, right? Yeah. That's my understanding is they're

46:34

still going through this process. And if

46:36

they love the guy

46:39

that's there at three and the

46:41

door is open for them to love more than one guy,

46:44

then they're going to sit there and they're going to take

46:46

whoever gets to them, but if they don't, I

46:49

see them trading back and I see them trading back and

46:52

probably for alignment, I

46:55

don't see them staying at three and taking a

46:57

Marvin Harrison Jr. Um,

46:59

or any of those other players. I don't think that's

47:01

what they would do. I think they'd move back. This

47:05

is a guest by me. My guess is they

47:07

would feel as though they'd like to be in

47:09

a range to still get Joe Alt, wherever

47:12

they think he might go off. So maybe that's six,

47:14

maybe the giants are willing to trade up. You

47:16

know, I don't know if you're, if you're able to get alt by going

47:18

all the way back to 11. But

47:22

that to me is the, is the move. You either

47:24

love the guy at three or you

47:26

don't. And if you don't, then you trade back, you

47:28

get a tackle, you build through the trenches, you do

47:30

that Packer thing. That's what they, you know, the premium

47:32

positions of the first round, it's quarterback, it's tackle, it's

47:35

pass rusher, it's corner, um,

47:37

it's usually not receiver. That second round is, you

47:39

know, your Greg Jennings and your Devontae Adams and

47:41

your Randall Cobb and your Jordy Nelson. That's what

47:43

those guys like to do. And that's what I

47:45

think Elliott Wolf will probably like to do. Give

47:48

it a background. It'll be very similar to what

47:50

the Cardinals do administration did last process where they,

47:52

they, when they first, they traded way down, then

47:54

they traded back up so they could get Paris

47:57

Johnson, but that was their target all along. You

48:00

know, obviously they had the quarterback in place, but

48:02

Phil, I agree with the way that you're setting

48:04

this up and the way that you're thinking about

48:06

it. If you have a conviction on a quarterback

48:08

that gets to three, yeah, you got to pop

48:10

them. I mean, how many shots do you get

48:12

to pop a quarterback? Do you have a conviction?

48:14

This guy is going to be a star in

48:17

the NFL, but if one

48:19

of those guys is not there, maybe for you,

48:21

it's only two deep on your board, those guys

48:23

go one, two. I think you have to consider

48:25

all the offers that you're getting for that. And

48:27

I think the alternate road for the Patriots, there's

48:30

a lot to say for that as well. That

48:33

is an attractive path as well, building out

48:35

the draft equity and everything like that. And

48:37

then at that point, you would have the

48:39

infrastructure around the quarterback for whenever you inevitably

48:41

did draft that quarterback, say it was in

48:43

next year's draft. And

48:46

all those big ticket items around

48:48

rookie contracts for a period

48:50

of time. Yeah. Your left tackle,

48:53

your wide out. And you just

48:55

took a corner who's the top tier corner and

48:57

then your quarterback. Boy, this was, we went

48:59

longer than I anticipated and I enjoyed the

49:01

hell out of every second. I really did.

49:04

Sam, always good talking to you guys. You're

49:07

the best Thor, appreciate you buddy. Appreciate it boys.

49:09

You know what I'm really happy about, Phil? The fact that

49:12

I'm so entrenched in my

49:14

beliefs that I've now switched again

49:16

back to trade

49:18

down. Trade

49:21

down, JJ McCarthy or trade down. Whatever

49:24

I see or hear last is what I want to do. Hey,

49:28

I'll say this. I'm not there yet

49:30

with you. But I

49:32

will say if the Patriots losing

49:35

out on Calvin Ridley moves

49:38

any of our audience closer

49:40

to your direction, I kind of get it.

49:43

Because for me, it's just harder to envision

49:45

a good receiver room. And if

49:48

you draft a quarterback at three, I've always been,

49:50

I'd like to see that guy

49:52

play. I think the owner would like to see that guy play. I

49:54

think the fans would like to see that guy play. But

49:56

if the receiver room ain't good, and

49:59

if the offensive line... not solidified? I don't

50:04

think that's a attractive option

50:06

is taking a young quarterback and

50:08

putting them in a really bad situation even if you

50:10

think he's got the medal, the

50:13

Joe Burrow medal to come out

50:15

the other side of that situation and be a

50:17

great player. I just think you're rolling the dice.

50:19

It's just so few of them. He's needling a

50:22

haystack. Him, maybe

50:24

Andrew Luck to a degree, never

50:27

got to a Super Bowl. But, and

50:30

Peyton Manning. I mean Trevor Lawrence

50:32

wasn't able to overcome his situation, still isn't. Hey,

50:37

talk about bad situations still. I'm a guy

50:39

who when he buys a car he's gonna

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buy a used car because I don't like

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buying new and I bought a tremendous vehicle

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recently from Born Auto. This is not a paid

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plug but I love them. I go

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there all the time and I

50:52

just wanted to shout out my guy Mark

50:54

Afiro because he was in the service department,

50:56

had one little glitch on my new car,

50:58

new used car, new to me and

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Mark made sure I got the thing back in a

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jiffy and you know they

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do good work there but Mark

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in the service department there he deserves a special

51:09

shout out in my mind and you people know

51:11

I rarely do shout outs because you can't get

51:13

into that all the time but we appreciate the

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folks at Born Auto. We appreciate Mark. So I

51:17

appreciate you. Right now I appreciate

51:19

Thor even more. Any

51:22

shout outs still? Barbara, Joe the barber you want

51:24

to send a shout out to Joe? I

51:27

give Joe all kinds of shout outs all the time

51:30

all day every day. That's my guy, my wife.