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Hi, I'm Sienna Jakole

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and I'm Leanna Holsten, and

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welcome to Toss Popcorn, the podcast

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where two idiots watched every

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film on the AFI's one hundred Greatest American

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racist tenth Anniversary edition. And now

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we're finding out if we can enjoy movies by

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watching movies that we and our listeners

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have chosen for us. Yes, that's

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like the best intro we've done yet this.

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Yes, it's because it's my birthday month. I

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thought you were gonna say it's your birthday and I was like, fuck,

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because my birthday I missed shit

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in my hand. I didn't do anything,

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like I'm not gonna get you a gift, but I did

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nothing. I didn't even think about

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it. I didn't know shit.

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This podcast is a safe road for

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people who don't know anything about movies.

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Today we're watching When

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Harry Met Sally and.

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I'm gonna be forty.

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When Sunday,

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the first in our month of

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Valentiney movies.

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Warning, yeah, you did have it, you nail. Excuse

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me. There will be spoilers

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about this orgasmic old

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film. Okay, okay,

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okay, look somebody, I'm

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really interested in how you're gonna feel about this. Yeah,

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well, Jese Louise, let's do your predictions? Have

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you perfect? I had? I

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thought maybe I want to hear

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your prediction. Actually, oh okay, that's

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okay, that's right with you. Yes,

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Hi, Sienna, it's Lee. I'm

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about to watch when Harry

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met Sally. Oh my god, I have to sneeze.

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Ah, I

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have not seen this before.

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I know it's the I'll

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have what she's having, And I think it's two young

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whites go on a road trip and

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like, oh can men and women's friends

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home and sweaters?

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Listen? I just am.

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I don't care about these people, but

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maybe maybe it'll

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be fun.

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Love you. Okay, that's a perfect

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little prediction. Yeah,

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you were really right on about a number of things. Thank

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you. Can I please hear your prediction?

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Yes, Hi, Leanna,

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Hi, this is Sienna, Happy

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me love months? Oh

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Fbruary Just

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kidding. The most important thing about February

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month is that it's my birthday. Bitch.

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Oh, everybody wake up, everybody,

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It's Cianna's birthday. Everybody wake up.

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But on top of that, We're also watching valentine'

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z movies, and one is

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one Harry met Sally very popular.

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Can a man and a woman really be friends? I

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watched this on a plane one time back

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in the day, and I

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remember being kind of annoyed by it and

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Billy Crystal is not charming to me at

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the time, and I thought it was pretty

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It just felt sexist, I can explain it.

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So I'm looking forward to watch you now in

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my birthday month. All Right,

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I love you? Goodbye? Yes,

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yes, yes, this for It's

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such a funny question for

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like the majority of my comedic

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sensibilities. Who

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is the audience for before? Why

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are you doing that? I don't know. I

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thought I like it.

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Somebody out there? Okay,

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so you'd plane seen this? I'd

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plain seen it? Yeah, I plane saw it well

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before we speak more on it? Hey girl,

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Hey girl, m

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where's she gone? I

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just learned something about this movie that I didn't realize

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when I was up What

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what just happened? I thought it was written

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by Rob Reiner also, but it was written by Yeah,

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I thought it was Nora Efron, And

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then while.

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Watching it, I was like, oh, wait, is this actionally? Nord Efron?

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I was like, oh no, it's Rob Reiner when

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I looked it up. But I

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just looked it up again. It's just it's gonna change the way

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that I talked.

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About it interesting. It

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was directed by Rob Reiner, so still yeah,

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but the writing was the part that bothered me.

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Oh well it

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is.

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It's always and forever will be from nineteen

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eighty seven.

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So yes, yeah,

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well, uh

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let's do Hey girl, Hey girl, Hey

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girl, what's going on? Hey? Going over there across

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the pond. It's going okay. I

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seem to have forked up my shoulder. Oh

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no, I speak like a like an old

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person, like an old man. It's just

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malady after malady for me. I'm

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starting another temp job next

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week. If they don't ever seen into the offer before,

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it's possible. And

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the job is it's Tuesdays and

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Thursdays, and it's helping an office move

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from one office to a new,

5:46

smaller office. It's

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one of those things I feel like you're gonna be good at it. Well

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that's you know when you get offered something and you're

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like, wow, I don't think I want to do this, but unfortunately

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I will be amazing at it. Uh

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uh huh what kind of I

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feel like that's maybe more of a you experience. Okay,

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so I'm having one of those knee experiences,

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and it's like, yes, I just did a move, an

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international move where I like sold all my

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stuff in LA and it's like it's

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doing that again. But I think

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it just will be stressful. So I'm a little bit like

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grateful to have it and also like I

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don't want to do that. Yeah, and

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I think that's capitalism, yes,

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indeed, indeed. Yeah,

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hey girl, hey uh,

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I also are moving, but we don't have to talk about

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that. I am moving. I

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have just a ton of things happening this

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month. Fortunately I'm getting through each one. But it's one

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of those types of stresses where every

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time I knock one off the list, I'm like, oh great, okay,

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now I should feel less stressed, But then I just get more

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focused on like the main stress at hand, which

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is moving. Yeah. For example, I taught at

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a school yesterday. Oh god, that's right,

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Oh my god? How was I had to make? It actually

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went really well. I had to make a lesson planned and I found

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out I'm kind of good at teaching, which is kind of a sleigh.

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I could see that you wear such colorful clothing.

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Thank you. Well. I thought it'd be quite a bad teacher,

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to be honest, because sometimes in front of groups of people,

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I become mean and strange, as

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I've told you before, m But

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in front of these youths, I don't know. I was

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good at teaching them new things, being

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patient with them. It was, Oh my god, it

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was. It was cool.

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And how are the youths were they receptive

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to the They were receptive.

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They were middle school. What I liked is they were middle schooler,

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so I could just talk to them like normal. And also they just wanted to talk

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to their friends, so like you can kind of just let them go.

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But then there were some kids who were really you know, like

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interested or just talking to me about

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their art and stuff, and it was it was very sweet. So I

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was kind of a sleigh sleigh.

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And but anyway, now

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I've knocked that off the list, and I'm like, great, wow,

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amazing that that was like a beautiful experience. And I'm like, oh

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my god, I have so much to do. Yeah, I

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have so much to do. I have so much to do. Yeah.

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Yeah, she's just a listener. She's looking around,

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she's looking a scan. How do I

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She's every item she owns, and

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that is moving. That is literally what we're doing is

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Yeah, you.

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Know what I'm thinking as I look at them, I'm like, I'm just gonna throw it

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all away. I'll just sort it all in the trash.

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You'll kill the planet. Don't

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do that, Sienna. Oh God, Okay, I

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won't. Well, that's

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we've hate girled. By

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the time this episode comes out, hopefully I will be

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uh it's blissfully

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living in a new place.

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Yeah, and I'll be halfway through my

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temp role. Or

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they'll have fired me already, So.

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We can't know. We cannot

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know, we cannot know. Uh,

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well, she give a little We should get back to the batter

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at hand, which, of course when Harry met Sally, and I can give a little

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synopsis. Yes, I would love to

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hear he enjoy. I wouldn't want

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to change it. He

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was I gonna change it because I did.

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Not know it was.

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When Harry met Sally. Often,

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delightful comedian Rob Reiner and

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writer Nora Efron do

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a rom com, but

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unfortunately their meditations on heterosexual

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romance are annoying and

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suck. There

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are some funny punchlines and pleasing

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autumnal images. But the movie

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is, at the end of the day, one big stand

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up bit in the style of Ladies

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Be Like and Fellas be Like,

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And at the end of the day, it's confusing

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and incorrect to perceive this as a lovely

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romance. Uh huh. It's

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nice that they're friends, but also you

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the end day

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perfect.

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This is as Popcorn's review of

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When Harry Met Sally. Thank you everyone

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so much for listening.

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It's the eighties. It's Billy Crystal

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and me, Meg Ryan,

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the adorable Meg Ryan, and it's

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over the course of twelve years.

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Yeah, they're kind of friendship.

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They're they're super friendship. That ends

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up being a romance. Did you say soup soup

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and they eat soup? Did you say super

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friendship? I don't.

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I might have accidentally said that. There's

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no way. There's no way that you accidentally

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said they're super friendship and it ends

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up being a romance. I was probably

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gonna say super oh, but

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he self edited in the

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middle of a word, and

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as a result, you said they're super friendship.

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Correct. That

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is correct.

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I thought maybe it was a phrase I'd not heard

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before, Like.

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Mix this mix to that or

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a Banana Republic. You know it's

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a super friendship. Okay, well, I'd

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love to get into your notes about this movie because obviously

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has strong feelings. I guess it's like it

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delivers in the rom com department at times.

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It's not like completely without all

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charm. But it's just like it just doesn't really

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fit into today's age, i'd say. But

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I guess we can discuss that and find out how we feel.

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Yes, well,

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everybody, welcome to the phone notes. This is, of course the part where

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we talk about the notes that we took while watching

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the movie and we were each other's mhm.

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Okay, I'm sorry. I think that we can just sort of

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make it about this. You didn't highlight

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this, this is from your badges, but you just acknowledged

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Carrie Fisher right away. I

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was so happy to see her, and she was the

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best all throughout.

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When I saw her name in the opening credits, I said,

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Oh, I

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was so amazed.

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I really loved her. She was slaying

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in this movie too.

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She's I'm sorry to be somber

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for a moment, but she's one of those celebrity

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deaths that whenever I think about it, I get really

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sad.

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Me too, Oh, me too. Yeah,

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she was such a great member of our society,

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such a great woman. I

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love her, so one of the best women. Leanna,

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Oh, this is gonna be fun. Leanna,

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you said your first notice politely

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waiting for people to stop making out equals

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my life story. Yeah.

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The movie starts with Billy Crystal making out with his college

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girlfriend. They're both in college at

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the time. It's all college, it's all college

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dall above board and

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uh.

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And Meg Ryan pulls up in her little vehicle

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and they're just making out, saying goodbye to each other.

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So she just sits.

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And I said, yep,

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I was once there when

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my friend's girlfriend

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met his grandparents. I

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was accidentally there because

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I here's what happened. I saw the two

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of them. I saw the couple of my friends across the

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street on campus, and they were next to

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a car, but I didn't really perceive the car

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as part of the interaction. So

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I saw them and I waved, and I crossed

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the street towards them. And as I

13:13

am crossing the street, an old couple

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emerges from this vehicle to

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start greeting them, and unfortunately I

13:20

arrive at the same time that the old couple has

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finished exiting the car. So

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now I'm just there watching

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my friend meet her boyfriend's grandparents,

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and then I also have to meet his grandparents.

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So funny. No,

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No, college is sick for that reason,

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because college's like you're all milling about and

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yeah, people are gonna visit you, and

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all sorts of people who you know, you have meetings and you

13:55

have to go to your parents or your loved ones whoever's met

13:57

someone and go. They don't actually matter. I

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mean they kind of matter, but not that much. Like I don't

14:02

need to take note of this person who's.

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Just out here meeting someone's grandparents

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when you're not a significant part of that person's

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life.

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That's so funny that you met them. I'm

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so embarrassing. So

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I really resonated with her. Oh

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that's so funny this movie. I

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think at one point, I try to put my finger on and

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I'll be trying to put my finger on this the entire time. But

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it's sort of like Uncanny Valley,

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HM, Uncomfortable

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romance world, you know where it's

14:33

like, so you just made out with your girlfriend,

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told her you loved her, then you went on a road trip and like told

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her as her friends that you thought she was attractive

14:40

within six hours. Yeah, later

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when they're friends they kiss on the mouth.

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That again, whenever people are kissing

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on the mouth, I'm a little bit like stop.

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Yeah, I feel the way. I'm like, sorry,

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what were the rules? Were we some strangely

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some semblance of a

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European society that time?

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I don't think so, no, because that's double

15:03

cheek obviously. And I

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don't like on the mount, why were we pecking so much?

15:07

It's an uncanny valley.

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The boundaries were so unclear, yeah,

15:12

and so unsettling that something could happen where I see

15:14

like two friends kiss on the mouth and I'm like, huck,

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what are the rule?

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I don't know, I do not know. It's I

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don't know anybody else who does that. No

15:26

one has ever been like, hey girl and kissed me on the

15:28

mouth.

15:29

Yeah, you know, I'll

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have what she's advertising. We'll

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be right back. Yeah.

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Have you seen other Mcryan films, like a lot of rom

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coms or Nora Efron movies. I have

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seen Sleepless in Seattle.

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I saw it with my mom when I was a kid and I

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was a little bit like, huh.

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It left me with the same feeling of melancholy

15:56

that the time of Day of Dusk does. And

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then I've seen It's

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complicated, Anora e Fron movie

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and at least one other one where

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Reese Witherspoon bangs an incredibly hot

16:08

young man and and both of them there's

16:11

beautiful kitchens. And that's that's

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what I got.

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Beautiful kitchens. Rom

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coms for people in their thirties. Oh

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yeah, homeowners. Their rom comes

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for homeowners, wrong comes for

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homeowners.

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Niche that you have to get to access.

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You've got to tap into that niche.

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It's so sis heat

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like impressively.

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Their friendship also relies. But

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out of that, their friendship I have to say, their friendship

16:41

relies on the fact that like Sally's

16:44

just like chill with him, yes, being

16:47

annoyed totally. If

16:49

she decided one day, which at the end she does for a while,

16:51

she's like, you're annoying, Like they wouldn't

16:53

have a friendship. M h, He's

16:57

not that cool or

16:59

great, No, you know what

17:01

I mean. She's just like cool with hanging out with him, and they

17:03

clearly feel comfortable around each other enough,

17:06

but like it's not like they have a beautiful, beautiful

17:08

friendship. Hmmm, I don't know.

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Actually, really I started

17:12

to think that their friendship was pretty nice, Like

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when they were just having fun at the museum

17:17

at the met and doing like a little stupid

17:19

little bit I thought. I was

17:21

like, oh, that's pretty cute, or like helping

17:23

each other get a Christmas tree right

17:26

before they slept together, when he came over and like comforted

17:28

her she was crying. I was like, that is nice.

17:31

And then again they kind of like fucked it up.

17:34

That is so I love

17:37

that reading because I

17:39

was feeling like when they did that voice at the museum, I

17:41

was like, Okay, he wants to do a voice. Now

17:43

he's doing some stupid comedy thing. He's

17:45

forcing her to do it with him, like

17:48

she gets to be the comedian all the time. Do

17:50

you think this is because I knew the whole time that it was

17:52

written by Nora E. F Roun, and you thought

17:54

it was written by Rob Reiner. Honestly,

17:57

A probably be.

18:01

There's like always a sense of at this

18:03

time, there's often like if someone's gonna

18:05

be making little quips, it's gonna be the guy.

18:07

Definitely that he was like all

18:09

the funny lines and stuff. So

18:11

she would like say something quirky and

18:14

then he'd respond to it and she'd be like what, And

18:16

that was the comedy, not like her having

18:18

a funny take like he would. You're totally right about

18:21

it being a stand ups.

18:22

The thing is she's still totally

18:25

like Meg Ryan is still extremely funny in

18:27

the role, being like what what? Yeah,

18:30

you know. Yeah. So it's not that like the role wouldn't

18:32

be fun or that she didn't do it, but just the actual

18:35

the setup of a

18:38

perfect romance. And I know it's not necessarily

18:40

what they're trying to do, but a perfect

18:43

romance being that it's like they're funny when

18:45

he wants to do a funny thing and she do to

18:48

Leona. I also noticed this part when she says

18:51

that she works at the news. You

18:54

said, I'm a journalist. I'm

18:56

a journalist. I work at the news me when

18:58

someone asks my job. She

19:01

said that, and I was like, Okay, so that's a fucking lie. What

19:03

are you talking? That's a lie? What the

19:06

news? The news?

19:08

I was hoping i'd maybe misheard it, but that you

19:10

also heard it makes me think she said that, Yeah,

19:15

I went at a joke what

19:18

do you mean you work at the news, which

19:20

it was the eighties, they just had won the news.

19:26

Oh yeah,

19:30

many funny things about this. You say, women

19:33

have lunch and men watch football in

19:37

terms of what they're talking about, in terms of

19:39

what they were doing, what they're doing.

19:41

Scene where she and Carrie Fisher and their

19:43

other friend have lunch and he and his friend are

19:45

watching a football game.

19:47

First of all, wasn't it baseball? No,

19:51

it wasn't They

19:54

were at a football game. It was the New York Giants.

19:57

They started with a close up on football players.

20:03

One hundred percent thought it was baseball. One hundred

20:05

percent thought it was, which I thought was really funny

20:07

that they kept having baseball things. I'm like, we get

20:09

it. He has one interest. Oh he likes multiple

20:12

sports. Okay, yeah, No,

20:14

the only time the guys talk to each other is when they're

20:16

either playing a sport or watching a sport.

20:18

And then women have lunch and they always

20:21

feel so sad about not being

20:23

married.

20:24

Yeah, and you wrote why was marriage

20:26

such a status thing? I don't understand.

20:29

I can't wrap my head

20:31

around this. Yeah, I get it,

20:33

being like a survival thing. I get. I get

20:36

why people have gotten married for a long time, and

20:38

why in the past, like but

20:40

but the thing of like shaming each other about

20:43

being married generally, I get like

20:45

being like I want to find the right person, I want to spend time

20:48

with a person, you know, but it's never really what they're

20:50

implying, like, oh, she's married, I

20:52

have to TikTok TikTok to get married.

20:55

Yeah, I don't get it. I really

20:57

want to get in that mindset so that I can empathize,

20:59

but I just I don't. I don't

21:02

understand that that generation's understanding

21:04

of marriage in that way of it like

21:07

a thing you're jealous of, or

21:09

like why was that a

21:11

goal in the way that it.

21:13

Was totally totally It

21:15

reminded me a lot. Well, maybe I'll save this for should you watch

21:17

this or but that piece we should

21:19

all be Feminists by Chimamanda ungozi

21:22

Adiici, which

21:24

then Beyonce quotes in her Flawless

21:28

where Chimamanda writes and then speaks.

21:30

I think she delivered this maybe as a ted talker, as

21:32

a speech somewhere where

21:35

it's like we're taught

21:37

from a young age, we teach girls to aspire

21:39

to marriage when we don't teach

21:41

the boys the same thing. And it's

21:43

like, we teach girls to be competitive

21:46

but for a

21:49

man, like for a boy's love, while

21:51

we teach boys to be competitive for like jobs

21:53

or sports or whatever. And this

21:56

was very that of

21:59

like, Okay, these people reared in a society

22:01

that tells women like the ultimate

22:04

goal, like yeah, sure, have a career, have

22:06

your fun, whatever, but by thirty

22:08

six, you need to be married and having children because

22:10

that's of course what all of you want, right, And

22:14

it sucks. It sucks to be like ingrained in that for

22:16

like an hour and a half in a movie.

22:18

It's so odd. It's really

22:21

once once you're enlightened, the

22:23

concept of

22:26

looking for male validation,

22:29

the concept of trying

22:32

hard to impress and

22:34

be

22:37

be be revered by

22:41

man, is like by may

22:43

that I will be revered by that?

22:46

Yeah, by them? Yeah?

22:49

Since I also, I'm very much at a point

22:51

in my life where friends will tell me like, oh my

22:53

gosh, we're getting married, and I my first

22:55

response is ooh oh no, too

22:58

young, far too young.

23:00

I don't do that.

23:01

Why would you do that? People having children?

23:03

In My response is still, oh my god, you're pregnant,

23:05

what are you gonna do not Congratulations,

23:11

Leonna.

23:16

You said, I'm serious,

23:18

Who the fuck are these old people? I'm

23:24

serious, I'm serious. Wait,

23:26

every time these couples came on, You're like, what

23:28

the hell is what is this? The

23:32

first time I thought it was Harry and

23:34

Sally but old, but then it cut

23:36

back to nineteen seventy seven and I was like, that was

23:38

not long enough ago for these

23:40

people to be old. And

23:43

then they kept doing these interstitials with old

23:45

couples and I was like, sorry,

23:48

who are you? That's so

23:50

funny. I liked that part. What

23:53

did did? Do you think they were real people

23:55

or that was those were actors? My

23:59

I think I don't know. I'm

24:02

not sure. It seems like they were real people to

24:04

me, but they some

24:06

of them were so entertaining that I'm like, they can't be real.

24:11

But it was. I think it was trying to

24:13

be telling some real stories of love stories.

24:17

Oh yeah, Leanna, you said, this movie did huge

24:20

things for autumn and New York. Yeah, it's

24:22

very satisfying in the autumn

24:25

autumn New York important.

24:27

Tom Nola's heck, I

24:30

don't think we can keep this. But this movie

24:32

also really said, Oh the aids epidemic.

24:35

We do not know her because

24:39

that was also happening at this time,

24:42

like they make it out to be. I

24:45

think I was annoyed by this movie a because

24:47

of the gender stuff, but b because

24:49

of class, where

24:52

these like white corporate

24:54

workers have such a wonderful

24:57

and perfect and easy life where they're

24:59

never like stressed about money. They

25:01

have insane homes and

25:03

they can just think about their relationships

25:05

all the time because everything else is taken

25:07

care of and fine. And it's like,

25:09

this was New York City in the nineteen eighties

25:12

and you're trying to tell me it was just all

25:15

like going to the met at the peak

25:17

of the leaves looking their best. Yeah,

25:19

they have no one to get a Christmas tree

25:21

with, because yeah,

25:23

yeah, yeah, it's a

25:25

good point. That's very funny. Yeah,

25:27

that's a very good point. What did you think

25:30

of the orgasm scene the classic?

25:32

You know, I knew it was coming, so to

25:34

say, I

25:37

got really nervous right

25:40

before it started. I was like, Oh God, she's

25:42

gonna she's gonna do the thing. And

25:45

I personally found it to be very inappropriate

25:47

because it's like this is a deli.

26:00

Yeah, I didn't know that it was

26:02

going to be so loud that everyone else could

26:04

hear it. Like I didn't know what was

26:06

gonna silence restaurant.

26:08

Because they were at a deli. Sex

26:12

noises they are surrounded by it meets.

26:15

You can't be making those sounds. That's

26:18

a family establishment, I will

26:20

say. As people people out there who've never

26:22

seen the movie giving it my review

26:24

right now, Uh you

26:27

know that classic scene. It's

26:29

it's like a reading of it is that

26:31

it's it is. It is dumb, and

26:36

it's it's provocative and it's very like

26:39

it's not the most like it's not exploitative

26:41

or anything I would say, but

26:44

it's just like, okay, all right, of course,

26:46

okay, you're gonna do it. Okay, So she does the whole

26:48

sex thing, okay whatever. When

26:51

the woman says, uh, I'll have

26:53

a cheese having it is very funny.

26:56

Yeah, I will say why

26:59

they did that for that line? Yeah

27:01

it's funny. Yeah, And I can

27:03

admit that. And I thought this movie mainly

27:06

sucked. I actually there were towards

27:09

the second half I was like I

27:11

was enjoying it more the first half. I kept going,

27:14

this sucks. I really, I'm not like

27:17

everything still is saying I don't like,

27:19

they haven't sold me on their friendship yet, because

27:22

it's not like they're old friends yet. They're just

27:24

kind of like they suck.

27:26

They just talked so much about sex.

27:29

He is such a perv. It's all he talks

27:31

about his dream. He's like, I'm having a dream when

27:33

I'm making love with blah blah blah blah blah. What are

27:35

your sex dreams? Blah blah blah Blah's like, yeah, stop being

27:37

a perv. Like I wish they would talk about anything

27:40

else. They didn't talk about anything else. Yeah,

27:43

I agree, Leonne. You

27:45

said that kiss sucked. Unfortunately.

27:49

I think maybe I don't like Billy Crystal's face or

27:51

mouth. But when

27:53

he was making out with the woman at the beginning, I was like, oh.

27:56

And then when he and Meg were making out,

27:58

I thought maybe it would be better because because there

28:00

was chemistry between them and they clearly liked each other

28:03

a lot. Yeah. Yeah, that the characters have

28:05

gotten to know each other, give them that.

28:06

Then they're making out and maybe it was just the close

28:08

up again, maybe it was the eighties.

28:10

I don't know, but it was not a good

28:12

kiss. Uh. You wrote

28:15

so close to her computer because she's

28:17

a business woman. Did

28:19

you see how close she was to her little macintosh?

28:23

I guess I didn't know she was that she was. I did

28:25

see that she was typing as

28:27

close as I am to the microphone she had. She was up close

28:29

to it, looking down because

28:32

because they didn't know how to use them yet. It's

28:34

like, I guess I'll just be sort of above it and

28:37

kind of look at the screen, see

28:39

just a sliver of the screen from above, tipt

28:41

type. Because I'm a business woman, I'm

28:44

a journalist working for the news. The news

28:46

needs the news.

28:49

I have to get the news to the news. I have to

28:51

get the news to the news using my email,

28:53

which I'll be in another movie

28:56

about e mail. Oh oh,

28:58

yeah, Sleepless in Seattle. No

29:01

got mail? You've

29:10

got mail? The other movie with Tom

29:12

Hanks and Meg Ryan. Have not seen that. I

29:14

thought that was Tom Cruise. No,

29:17

oh,

29:19

what's wrong with you? That

29:28

movie's cute.

29:30

He's very empowering for a woman to be deeply

29:33

incorrect about things, so.

29:36

To myself. Yeah, earlier we were talking about how

29:38

everything you do wrong as a woman

29:40

is your right women's rights. Leona.

29:44

Your final line was sigh,

29:48

Yeah, that's exactly yep, and

29:51

the cough was implied was

29:53

the hacking. It was because

29:55

it was romantic sweet. Yeah. I mean, we'll get to it

29:57

in my trag is. But it was

30:00

like, by the end, they did get me in terms

30:02

of the romance. That's really interesting.

30:04

Again, when they were kissing, I was like, stop,

30:07

but I did believe

30:10

that they loved each other and had

30:12

now spent an appropriate number of years

30:14

aka twelve getting to know

30:17

each other before they could then tell each other that.

30:20

Yeah.

30:21

It's if you before twelve years

30:23

of knowing someone say I love you to them, that is so inappropriate.

30:26

Give it a Baker's decade before

30:29

you say any Okay,

30:32

okay,

30:34

did your ex just see you singing

30:38

along to the karaoke track of a

30:40

musical theater song in a sharper

30:42

image. Go ahead and stare into

30:44

the abyss for three minutes.

30:46

We'll be right back. Shall

30:55

we.

30:57

Befriend into

31:00

Badges and trages, Yeah,

31:02

in which we award badges.

31:04

This is our segment of the podcast Hello, in

31:06

which we award badges.

31:08

For badges

31:10

for best friendship and

31:13

tradges for trappings

31:16

comma societal of

31:19

marriage. Yeah,

31:21

yeah, yeah, Okay, I

31:24

have a badge for absolutely just flying

31:27

right through one's twenties. I respect

31:29

that. I love movies and content

31:31

about people in their thirties or forties,

31:33

Like I love that as a

31:36

as a concept. Yeah, that

31:38

your twenties just don't matter and your life hasn't

31:40

even really started. That is in

31:43

a deeply comforting fact.

31:45

I have a badge for Carrie Fisher, Girl

31:48

Girl, that's my next badge. Badge

31:52

written by a woman.

31:53

Uh huh.

31:54

Even if the points were wrong and the

31:56

idealism behind it was wrong.

31:58

At least, Yeah, what's a woman be

32:01

wrong? And like I

32:03

said, a lot really annoyed me. Like there are times

32:05

I went like this sucks. I was really really

32:07

annoyed. I wasn't disturbed.

32:11

Oh yeah, yeah, traumatized traumatized,

32:14

which is really how it is with a lot of the a

32:17

lot of the other movies we've seen talking about, like romance

32:19

or whatever. This one just felt kind of dumb.

32:22

Yeah, oh

32:24

huh. I gave

32:26

a badge for men convo

32:29

at baseball game.

32:31

Oh when they were at the football game, So

32:34

I was funny, like to be having a serious

32:36

convo. He's talking about his divorce and

32:38

how she's like, I don't love anymore. And then they had to stand up

32:40

and do the wave.

32:41

Yes, that was funny. I thought that was

32:43

very funny. Yeah, Like there were little gags like

32:45

that that are just yeahnny. A

32:48

badge for Meg's eyes. What

32:50

a color? Oh? What color? Oh?

32:52

Very blue like an icy blue?

32:55

Oh? Good for beautiful, beautiful badge

32:58

for autumn. It is beautiful

33:00

autumn sweaters, leaves come on not

33:03

I'm in New York. Badge

33:07

for masking saying something serious

33:09

by using a silly accent when

33:13

they start having a serious conversation but they're at the met

33:15

and he's doing his silly little accent. I was like, same.

33:18

It's like when you're telling somebody something bad that happen to you, and

33:20

then you're like, bit sad in it, bit

33:23

sad saws.

33:28

Oh, I have a badge for well

33:31

see ya, I loved his ex

33:33

wife. She rolls up

33:35

when singing. She rolls up with

33:38

the deepest voice you would not expect.

33:40

She's like, how are you. Oh,

33:43

here's my husband, evil

33:47

stone husband, here's

33:50

my evil beige partner.

33:54

H And he's like ah,

33:56

And then they stay there for a while and she goes, well,

34:00

see yah, Like that's really all there

34:02

is to say to an ex. It's like, well,

34:04

all right, bye bye. Unfortunately,

34:07

she absolutely slayd that. That was hilarious and she walks

34:09

away in her hair is so big from

34:11

his back, so, oh

34:14

my god, like anime hair or something.

34:15

That's a

34:21

badge for Right after that, staring

34:23

into the abyss, Billy Crystal

34:25

is staring right into the abyss after running

34:27

into his ex wife and I said.

34:29

Yes, yeah, mood, yeah,

34:31

he did good acting. He did good acting. Uh.

34:34

Badge for her hair is slang. Unfortunately,

34:36

this is Mike Ryan's hair. There were just a few moments where I was like,

34:38

wow, yep, they put in the

34:40

work. I don't know what they were doing to it, but wow,

34:43

absolutely a badge for the exchange.

34:46

Billy Crystal is talking about his young girlfriend

34:49

and how he talks about Kennedy was shot and he says

34:51

to his friend, yeah, and he said to her Kennedy

34:53

was shot, and she goes ted, Kennedy was shot and

34:55

his friend just immediately goes no. And

34:58

I love that because yesterday somebody bang

35:00

our like buzzer at our

35:02

flat and I instantly went nope, nope,

35:05

I'm not doing that. I'm not answering that. I'm

35:07

not dealing with this. I love that.

35:08

I just I love a quick no, A

35:11

quick flat no as a response to

35:13

something.

35:14

Badge for background penguins. I

35:16

think is her home

35:20

one of their places. I think it was hers. I think, yeah,

35:22

yeah, because it was after they slept together, and

35:24

she has some little ornamental penguins that

35:26

she has on by her bed frame. And

35:28

I was like, oh god, I love

35:31

that. I love I'm so sad

35:33

I didn't see those. I love that.

35:35

Wow.

35:36

Hello, okay, that's incredible. Hello,

35:39

Hello, We're gonna get

35:41

sued by Trixie and Katia.

35:43

Please please tell us please.

35:45

My final badge is a badge for when

35:48

she says this is during her uh

35:50

when he comes over to comfort her and she's crying and she goes.

35:52

She works in his office. She's a paralegal. Her name

35:54

is Kimberly. So

35:58

funny. I

36:01

have a badge for the phone sequence after

36:03

they slech Yeah, the two of them. That was fun.

36:05

I thought that was good. Their their phone

36:07

sequence it like split screen and it's

36:10

like, you know, a little back and forth. Yeah,

36:12

very funny. Good. Oh. Badge

36:14

for some of the couples. Some of the old couples

36:16

who are talking are really funny in

36:18

their little interviews, like the ones you talk

36:21

over each other. And for some reason I did laugh at the guy who

36:23

talked about all his other wives. I

36:26

don't know, so they were a little bit funny. Badge

36:28

for that moment at the New Year's

36:30

party when Meg Ryan is laughing and then she turns to carry

36:33

Fisher and she's like, I gotta get out of here.

36:35

There he's like, you'll never get a taxi and it just

36:37

turns way back. Incredible

36:40

love that, and then Badge for I

36:42

think that the best line in this movie that's

36:44

actually a very very good work,

36:47

rom com wise and very sweet, is the one where

36:49

he's like, once you realize you want to spend your life with

36:51

somebody, you want the rest of your life to start right away.

36:53

Oh my god, that line annoyed me so much.

36:56

Really, I thought I was sweet. I

37:00

was like, shut up because it was so cheesy.

37:03

I guess so. But

37:06

I also was like, the

37:08

rest of your what is this a proposal?

37:11

Well? I thought it was. It's

37:14

like cheesy, but I'm like, that's good

37:16

stuff, that's perfect, very rom

37:18

com but like it

37:20

actually I think it's quite sweet. Yeah,

37:23

I don't know if this was like the first rom com, but

37:25

it certainly hit every single beat of

37:27

a rom com. Like, if you're looking

37:29

to.

37:30

Ferry the Nora Ephron right a traditional

37:32

rom com, this is one. Unfortunately, you can't

37:34

really do that without ascribing to gender and

37:36

heteronormativity.

37:40

But yeh, tragis

37:43

trag is.

37:44

My first trage is for heteroculture

37:47

times a million, Like, what the frick is

37:49

this? Yeah? Just

37:51

even immediately as it starts, like

37:53

the things they're talking about and everything, I'm like, what are

37:55

you say? This is the dating

37:57

and the wanting, the marriage and the whatever,

38:00

and yeah,

38:02

yeah, hiring trage

38:05

for her line. I don't like to eat between

38:07

meals.

38:09

Yeah, I get

38:11

that you're setting up that she's particular, but you're also setting

38:13

up that she's so skinny.

38:16

Do something different. Dradge for

38:19

why is it always women reacting to or

38:21

being amazed by men? It's subtle, but

38:23

it's tired. I think part

38:25

of why I'll be bothered when he's making little

38:27

quips and she's laughing at them. Yeah.

38:30

Again, not saying she didn't slay the acting, but just that

38:33

concept frustrates me, probably especially because

38:35

I'm constantly making little quips and so I'm

38:37

like, this is totally unrealistic. It's

38:39

that classic thing of men define a sense

38:41

of humor as she laughs at my jokes and

38:45

he's funny. He literally says in this

38:47

movie, mm at least once where he's like

38:49

that other woman didn't get it, yeah,

38:52

or like when they're like, good, I had a great time

38:54

on the date. What that actually means is like I

38:56

spoke at a woman for an hour and a half. Yeah,

39:00

exactly, So that's what it felt like a few times.

39:02

And then also when Carrie Fisher it's

39:05

it's fine, But when Carrie Fisher ends up

39:08

connecting with the other dude, it's because

39:10

she read something he wrote and it

39:12

just felt it frustrated me because it felt

39:14

very in line with everything else that had already happened in the movie.

39:16

And I'm like, why can't it be her for one? Yeah,

39:18

why can't woman do something cool? For the ones

39:20

that he admires. A trage for talking about

39:23

Casablanca. Shut the hell up, Shut the

39:25

hell up about that movie, please. Enough

39:27

trage for the tender friend kiss

39:31

kissing a friend on the mouth for fun. Something

39:35

about that is very I can't handle that.

39:37

Yeah, trage for flopping

39:39

the Bechdel test. Oh

39:42

my gosh,

39:45

big flop.

39:47

Big flop, honestly, but beyond

39:50

it flopped, it flopps so hard

39:52

over the like the men are constantly

39:55

actually talking about women.

39:57

It almost it flops so hard it almost comes

39:59

back around to passing it.

40:01

Yeah.

40:04

I guess it's like it's

40:06

an Uncanny Valley Bechdel test where

40:08

two men have a conversation and the only thing they talk

40:10

about is women.

40:12

Yeah, mm hmm, slay,

40:15

I guess lay trage

40:19

for white, as you said, Oh yeah,

40:21

tragic White. I

40:24

don't want to be thinking about that is tragic.

40:27

American football is a trag. My

40:29

final trage is for uh

40:33

is for the beautiful music moment

40:35

when they're remembering and having a montage of their

40:37

whole relationship. The

40:39

beautiful memory that they're playing underneath

40:42

is him talking about how men and women

40:44

can't be friends. Yeah, and you're like, okay,

40:47

wait, so are

40:49

you saying that that's true because

40:51

they end up together? Right? And

40:54

also the beautiful moment we're remembering

40:56

is him saying gross things about how men

40:58

and women have to have sex with each other. I

41:01

guess you're trying to imply that they were friends, but

41:04

they are ending up together. It was very fraught.

41:07

Mm totally.

41:09

They don't the point that it seems

41:11

they set out to prove, or

41:14

they do, but the point is bad.

41:16

I don't know.

41:18

Trag for quote low

41:20

maintenance as a way to describe a woman.

41:23

Shut up, Oh gosh, the hell are

41:25

the worst kind You're the worst kind of woman.

41:27

Oh you're maintenance, but you're actually high

41:29

maintenance. I don't like that. That's just being

41:31

mean to a woman. Like what trage

41:34

for plastic water bottles? Meg Ryan

41:36

is always drinking out of a plastic water bottle

41:38

in this film, and I'm like, Meg, excuse me? Have

41:40

you heard about the Polar Bears? Meg?

41:43

And my final trage is a trage for

41:45

causing me to pine? Absolutely

41:48

it was problematic, but still at the end of the day

41:50

it made me feel like, oh fuck, I forgot how

41:52

goddamn lonely I feel.

41:53

Sometimes it's just one of those movies. Yeah,

41:57

it pulls the it's it's

41:59

pulls the heart strings in a manipulative rom

42:01

com way. Manipulative is

42:03

a strong word, but that's what rom coms are. Well,

42:08

we've badgined, we've trad We move on to our

42:10

next segment, which is how

42:12

to pretend you've seen this film. I think this is actually a pretty

42:14

useful one for this since it's such a classic. This is Oh

42:17

yeah, you are in New York

42:19

City, Yes,

42:22

trying to Oh yeah,

42:25

you're trying to uh, you're walking

42:27

through Central Park to when you hear's eve party. Yeah

42:34

you have to.

42:34

Rush, and Harry

42:37

jogs up alongside you and

42:40

says, wow. This

42:42

really reminds me of my favorite

42:45

movie, When Harry.

42:47

Met what was her name?

42:49

Sally? Don't

42:52

you think the men and women always have to have sex with each other? They

42:54

can't be friends? You

42:57

say, whoa, We are sweating

42:59

a and I mean a lot,

43:01

and it is cold outside, it is winter, And

43:06

you say, stop right there, Subry there, I know what you're

43:08

gonna do. You're gonna try to talk to me about When Harry met

43:10

Sally. You're gonna enjoy all the wrong parts

43:13

of it. And I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna

43:15

make sure that you stop right there, because I'm about

43:17

to tell you the news. News

43:21

flash, I worked for the news, and news flash,

43:24

I've seen this movie. I'm gonna tell and so here

43:26

we're gonna tell you a few things. You can say, to pretend

43:28

you've seen the film When Harry Met

43:30

Sally. Perfect

43:34

a little bit. Yes, Harry,

43:37

I've seen the film When Harry Met Sally.

43:39

It was directed by Rob Reiner

43:42

and written by Nora Efron. Two

43:45

people I would hope are friends and hope

43:47

never had sex with each other. That reason,

43:50

the project itself disproves the

43:52

very thesis of Harry in

43:55

the film.

43:57

Harry, don't speak to me. I've just finished

43:59

an eighteen hour drive, and unlike the characters

44:01

in the film, I'm incredibly oily. I

44:05

have to get in the shower. They

44:07

looked so fine. They were just been in

44:09

a tiny car for eighteen hours.

44:11

That's a great point. Ridiculous, Harry.

44:13

Yes, I have seen When Harry Met Sally.

44:16

An interesting thing about that as a rom com is

44:18

it has a real sort of stand up edge

44:21

to it. It's probably the billy crystal of it all,

44:23

but a lot of the actual

44:26

cadence of the of the lines

44:29

and the very essence of

44:31

the of the piece being about

44:34

comparing men and women and how they

44:36

act, just it feels like a big stand

44:38

up bit. It's it's interesting to

44:41

just group it in with all the other rom coms

44:43

in that way because it has a particular cadence

44:45

to it.

44:46

Harry, Please, I don't have time to speak to you. I'm

44:49

to meet with someone who well,

44:52

Ben Small of the Coney Island

44:54

Smalls. Yes,

44:57

Harry, I've seen When Harry met Sally. This

44:59

movie has to be one.

45:01

Of the core players

45:04

in giving us the

45:06

concept of a rom com that is

45:09

Sweaters and Autumn. It

45:11

really set the tone for a lot of rom

45:13

com tropes.

45:15

Harry, shut up. You are a

45:18

human affront to all women, and I am

45:20

a woman, so I've gotta go.

45:24

Hi, i am a woman. I

45:26

did love that. You're a

45:28

human affront to all women, and I am a woman. That

45:30

is.

45:31

How could you fall in love with him if he sucks so much?

45:34

Well, Leanna, Yes, now that the clock

45:37

is chimed midnight and it is a

45:39

new year, we're

45:41

gonna do a little segment that will save you time

45:44

because you will be forty some day.

45:47

Ah, oh god,

45:50

oh god. This

45:53

is should you watch this or in which we tell you if we think

45:55

you should watch the movie, or if you should

45:57

do something else with your time.

46:02

Every week fuck with

46:05

your biological

46:09

clock. Oh yeah,

46:12

I think you shall something else with your biological clock.

46:16

I've had people ask me if they should watch this movie.

46:19

M I

46:23

kind of think this is the perfect movie, like exactly what our

46:26

podcast is for, to

46:29

tell you everything you need to know about it.

46:31

It's got classic vibes

46:34

of it has classic

46:36

vibes, it has classic rom com

46:39

vibes. It does if you want autumn whatever. It's

46:41

a little weirder and more eighties than you might

46:43

think. It's kind of it's not the

46:45

most problematic in the world, but yeah, it's just

46:47

like it's of the time and

46:50

a bit it sometimes sucks. Like I was watching

46:52

it for a while and going this sucks. I Also the

46:54

thing I didn't say, it seems

46:57

like something that is really cute

46:59

if you've not experienced like a genuinely

47:02

healthy relationship, Like

47:04

I think this is just like not

47:07

not a very good example of a relationship.

47:11

And to be like for

47:13

people who said, like, oh, this is just so romantic,

47:16

it's like it's really not so

47:18

romantic. That's that's it's sad

47:20

to me that that would be like the pillar

47:23

of romance. You know, I

47:26

don't think everyone feels about it that way, but I

47:29

would aim higher if you do a

47:31

higher yes, uh,

47:35

now should you watch it.

47:37

I don't think you have to watch it. No, just listen

47:39

to our episode. Something

47:42

you could do instead besides just listening to our episode

47:44

is uh what you should

47:47

watch instead is You've Got

47:49

Mail. It's another Nora Fron movie

47:51

and I like it more.

47:52

That's Tom Hanks. He calls into a

47:55

radio show and he lives in

47:57

Seattle. Nope, Nope, and then Ryan

47:59

and so close the phone

48:03

he Seattle and so it's called

48:05

You've Got Mail.

48:06

You know he has

48:08

his son. No, it should

48:11

be called You've got a son,

48:16

Leonna. What would you say? Uh?

48:18

No, you don't need to watch when Harry mt Sally,

48:20

I lived a wonderfully young life.

48:23

I'm so young, but it's been

48:25

a while not seeing it, and

48:28

I love that from my past

48:30

self. What you could watch

48:32

instead is the

48:35

show star Struck, written by Rose

48:37

Matta Fayl. Really good example

48:39

of a really fun rom com, but

48:41

much more modern, way more

48:44

diverse, funnier

48:48

and just really sweet as well.

48:50

Like it definitely still tugs the old

48:52

heart strings a little

48:54

bit. And I finally now have a TV

48:56

license in the UK so I can watch it on BBC.

48:59

iPlayer up getting coo.

49:00

Congratulations, thank you congratulations

49:03

woo. Sianna. What would you rate the film

49:05

When Harry Met Sally? I

49:09

would give when Harry met Sally two

49:13

ladies who lunch out of five?

49:16

Mmmm, these ladies love lunch.

49:19

Oh yeah, all

49:21

the reasons I said I don't really like this

49:24

movie, Leonna, What

49:27

would you say.

49:28

I would give when Harry Met Sally?

49:31

Two autumn leaves

49:33

out of five.

49:34

Yeah, it's it's

49:37

not that good. I like her other movies more.

49:40

There was no chocolate croissant in

49:42

this film that I will think about for the next ten

49:44

years. You know, Well,

49:50

this has been Are we done?

49:51

We're done? Right? Yeah, we're done. Great, this has

49:53

been.

49:53

Dust Popcorn's review of

49:56

When Harry Met Sally one of

49:58

those classics. Oh you haven't seen it. It's a

50:00

classic movie. Well, now we've seen

50:02

it, and we've done the

50:04

lord's work.

50:06

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50:40

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50:42

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50:44

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50:48

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51:24

You've Got a Son by

51:27

Nora Efron. It's

51:30

the sequel that's

51:35

so funny. Yeah, that was the original name for Sleepers and

51:37

Seattle. Well, we've already got You've got mail.

51:39

You've got a Son. It's the same thing,

51:41

but he has a son. This one was going to tell

51:43

you've got a shitty

51:45

friend, You've

51:47

got a you've got a New York. You've

51:51

got a New York