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Welcome to the Touchdown Jaguars podcast

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. Here are your hosts , james Johnson

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and Phil Smith . Hey

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everyone , welcome back to the Touchdown

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Jaguars podcast . I am your co-host

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, phil Smith , and

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joining me is your other co-host , james Johnson and Jay . Good to be back here with you

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this afternoon as we are recording on the afternoon of April

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20th here as we are turning the corner

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into the week of

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the draft , and I am back here

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after having a little bit of a personal

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issue for the last episode . So shout

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out to you , as well as our wonderful guest

1:00

, ian Valentino , who did a great

1:02

job with that episode . So if you have

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not listened or checked that out quite

1:06

yet and you're , you know you're just looking for all

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the draft coverage that you can possibly get make

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sure you listen to the previous episode

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with jay and ian

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. But regardless , jay , it's going to be back here with you

1:18

and you know you are in town getting

1:20

some business done . And then also , you know , we're going to

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obviously take the opportunity to record

1:24

a new episode that we want to release before

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at least round one of the draft

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. If you have been following us for a while

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, you know that we always like to put

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out an episode the day after round

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one , get that instant reaction and analysis

1:38

out there for you . And this week

1:40

will be no different . Unfortunately

1:43

, our run of covering

1:45

the team on site at the

1:47

NFL Draft for the Jaguars will come

1:50

to an end this year . We hope

1:52

to return in 2025 , but unfortunately

1:54

it just wasn't in the cards . And you know that's

1:57

no ill will towards the Jaguars

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PR department . They do an excellent job and

2:02

they have always been very gracious with us , jay . So we

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hope to return there very , very soon , but

2:06

unfortunately it's just not happening this year . But

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we do intend on it , on going to the

2:10

draft day party , you know , just hanging out

2:12

with everybody and and also still getting

2:15

some instant reactions with some

2:17

video content , possibly over on

2:19

our Twitter page . But regardless , jay

2:21

, just because we're not going to be

2:23

in necessarily the media

2:25

room like we want it to be , doesn't mean

2:27

that our coverage is going to

2:29

change really all

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that much . So , excited to talk about a

2:34

mock draft today , we're going to wrap

2:36

up a final mock draft

2:38

using all the knowledge that we now

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know after some press conferences , after

2:43

free agency , after all of that , and

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I'm excited to dive into all of that with you here

2:47

today .

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Yeah , man , I'm excited as well too , and you

2:51

know , as you said , you know we'll have to cover the game

2:53

from a different perspective . But

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, as everybody knows , man , like for

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us , man , when it comes draft time and

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we're going to give our audience what they want , regardless

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, you know , of how it's covered . So , uh

3:06

, yeah , man , I can't wait to talk about this

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uh episode here , where you know I'll

3:11

be giving everybody a uh

3:13

, a head of uh

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, head of time release of

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my mock draft that I'm going to eventually post on the

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website anyway . But , yeah , people

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will be getting to look at it or

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get to hear about it before

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I actually post it on the website . Can't wait

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to talk about that . As you said , there

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have been some things that were disclosed

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in the recent draft

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luncheon and , as you said , we

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can also use the information

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that we've learned about the team on free agency

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and so on and so forth

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, as we always say , the draft for

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we dive into the draft stuff , I do want

4:55

to put my two cents in in terms

4:57

of the Josh Allen deal and

5:00

you know you discussed that very briefly last episode

5:02

and also put up an article , you know , over on

5:04

the website that you just mentioned

5:06

, and you know what a great day it

5:08

was . It was a really great kind of week . I

5:11

guess we'll also throw this in here , jay . The announcement

5:13

of the throwback jerseys

5:15

. We don't know exactly . It

5:18

is returning as far as like the teal

5:20

, the black , like what it's going to be , but

5:25

it was like a whirlwind of good news . You know , and this is the time of the year

5:27

where they always get us right Like you know , free agency happens

5:29

, the draft happens , we get some announcements about

5:31

some stuff that's coming in the year ahead

5:34

, and that's how they get us right . That's how we get

5:36

excited all over again and

5:38

you know they did a great job . But as far

5:41

as Josh Allen goes , I mean , what

5:43

was it ? Five years , $141

5:45

million , $88 million guaranteed

5:48

to keep a guy in-house

5:50

who wants to be here , who

5:52

wants to create his legacy with

5:55

Jacksonville and who has just really

5:57

bought into what's happening here and who has been

5:59

through the worst of it right

6:01

? I mean , we very briefly touched on the

6:04

2017 2018

6:06

team . I believe he joined us in what 2018

6:08

, 2019 ? But , like , he saw a

6:10

lot of that dysfunction and he obviously

6:12

got through the urban meyer year . He's

6:15

been through some of the , you

6:17

know , most damning stuff

6:19

when it comes to being

6:22

in a , in a locker room and

6:25

being in situations that are obviously

6:27

not very good , and

6:29

he's gone out there , put his hand in the dirt

6:31

and got after the quarterback and

6:33

now he is being rewarded

6:35

, as he the contract and the reward that he

6:38

is given . So it just feels

6:40

good . Obviously you would have liked for this to happen

6:42

sooner and it would have had a domino effect

6:44

, and it would have had a domino effect on

6:46

other things , calvin Ridley . But

6:49

you know it is what it is here at this point

6:51

I'm glad he didn't have to wait till training camp

6:53

like Evan Ingram did Remember that was something that

6:55

we discussed , that we were a little worried about . But

6:57

to keep 41 here and get this deal done , and now

6:59

they're seemingly moving on to Trevor and get this deal

7:01

done , and now they're seemingly moving on to

7:03

Trevor these are all things

7:06

like we've been banging the drum for

7:08

. Like hey , get this stuff done now

7:10

. Right , Like , get

7:12

this done . I know there's people in the

7:14

camp of hey , get Tyson Campbell out of the way . You

7:20

know he's hopefully going to have a bounce back year , but I think , barring something

7:22

catastrophic , he is a guy that

7:24

you want to keep around long-term anyway

7:26

. So between Trev

7:29

, tyson Campbell , get those

7:31

deals done . Get them done early , save yourself

7:33

some money in the long run . But as

7:35

far as the Josh Allen deal , it just felt good

7:37

in terms of what

7:39

it meant for the organization , what

7:41

it meant for Josh Allen and what it means for the fans

7:44

. I think perception is so

7:46

important right now because of how the season ended

7:48

. So offseason champions right

7:51

. That's what we always say here on

7:53

this podcast , and this was an easy

7:55

win . That shouldn't have taken this long , but

7:57

at least it got done .

7:59

Yeah , I agree , and you

8:01

know , I think what I like about Josh

8:04

Allen's development the most is after that

8:06

Kansas City Chiefs loss , the one in the postseason

8:09

, not the regular season one . You

8:11

know , you can kind of hear

8:14

it in his voice and feel it that it just

8:16

didn't sit well with him and he even said it

8:18

. You know , like I don't like this feeling

8:20

. I gotta come back better than ever and

8:22

I'm , you know , just paraphrasing here . And he came back the next year better than

8:24

ever . And I'm just paraphrasing here . And he came back the next year better than

8:26

ever . Put up record numbers that this franchise

8:29

hasn't seen in terms of sack

8:31

numbers . What was it ? 17 , 17.5

8:35

, which hopefully

8:37

this year I

8:39

agree with Austin Lane on this we hope

8:41

that he don't get to that number this year

8:44

because that means something's terribly wrong with

8:46

the pass rush , which

8:48

I mean , if he does , you know he's getting paid

8:50

for , you know when you look at that contract

8:53

. But you know if he's getting that many

8:55

sacks , then that means we didn't do

8:57

enough to help the pass rush . That means Trayvon

8:59

Walker didn't really take a step . That means we probably

9:01

didn't get that edge three that

9:04

we need . That you know we're hoping for

9:06

, maybe in the draft , more on that later or

9:08

you know , a late free agent pickup , kind

9:11

of like we did many

9:13

, many years ago with the

9:15

kid he's escaping my name that went to the Titans

9:18

a year afterwards . So

9:20

yeah , anyway , man

9:22

, yeah , just the

9:24

development and the step he took after

9:27

you know that loss to the Chiefs

9:29

you know was apparent , worked his behind

9:31

off . As you said , probably should have got done a little faster

9:34

. He kind of showed his

9:36

displeasure with it not getting done fast enough

9:38

, with him not going to certain

9:41

parts of the offseason workout . So

9:44

you know his displeasure was apparent

9:46

there . And I mean my thing is

9:48

this with it as I

9:51

just said , we wish it would have gotten done quicker

9:53

and a lot of people , you know , patting

9:55

Trent on the back for it . But you

9:57

know for me you don't get a pat on the back

9:59

for doing what needed to be done right . You don't

10:01

get a pat on the back for putting oil or gasoline

10:04

in your car . This guy went out there and you

10:07

know put 17 sacks up for

10:09

us . He should be back . He

10:11

should have been a priority . As

10:14

the gatekeeper or one of the gatekeepers

10:16

for this franchise , your job is to do what's

10:18

right by the franchise

10:20

and keeping the players , whether you

10:22

drafted them or not , keeping

10:27

the players that , whether you drafted them or not , keeping the players that have

10:29

stepped to the forefront and led this team and

10:31

put this team in the best position to win . So

10:33

I just think he's getting a lot

10:35

of praise for doing

10:37

something that he should have done , and also he's getting a lot of praise

10:40

because we expected it to get

10:42

messy and it didn't get as messy as we

10:44

thought it would get , and he's getting

10:46

a lot of praise for that . So

10:48

, that being said , man can't wait

10:50

to see Josh Allen on the field . Man pair

10:53

it up with Eric Armstead , all of the other

10:55

guys , you know whoever we get in the draft

10:57

as well . And as for the throwbacks

10:59

, man , yeah , man , that was very exciting

11:02

to see , as

11:04

me and our buddy Josh

11:06

have already tried to piece together

11:08

and probably more of our friends will get involved

11:10

. But , as you saw in the text thread , phil , we're

11:13

trying to be there day one

11:15

at the mech shop when

11:17

they release those and cop them straight out

11:19

of the shop at the facility , man , because

11:21

we were super excited about those . Hope the black

11:24

ones are coming too , but we'll have

11:26

more details on that later .

11:28

Boy when I tell you my wallet was

11:30

trembling when that announcement

11:32

came out because the amount of

11:34

money between hats

11:37

, hoodies , t-shirts , the jerseys obviously

11:39

are going to be the big ticket item

11:41

. And yeah , I'm right there with you , jay , I'll take a day off

11:44

and we'll go down to the miller

11:46

electric center and we'll go buy one

11:48

. I mean to think about even the throwback

11:50

opportunities that they have here

11:52

. Obviously , like , I want to get it , you know . You

11:54

know , 16 is going to fly off the shelf , 41 is

11:57

going to fly off the shelf on if they end up with

11:59

one of these receivers in the draft

12:01

, jay , and I'll buy one . I

12:03

know , know , I'm happy that I didn't

12:05

take that leap and get that Calvin Ridley jersey

12:08

, like I know a lot of y'all did , and I'm

12:10

sorry , but if they

12:12

get one of those receivers in the draft or one of those

12:14

big-time DBs , I might even make an investment

12:16

in one of the rookies . But all I know

12:18

is I'm going to be spending a lot of money

12:21

. I want to get Liz one as well

12:23

. She , she's excited about

12:25

that . Obviously she wasn't around , you know , when those jerseys

12:27

were , were still

12:29

a thing . But yeah , that's

12:32

, it's really exciting , but not exciting

12:34

for my wallet .

12:36

Yeah , I agree . And also too , man

12:39

, like something that creeped into my

12:41

mind , the throat , the old school players

12:43

Right . Are they going to have both Sally jerseys

12:45

? Are they going to have Bocelli

12:47

jerseys ?

12:50

Are they going to have Fred Taylor jerseys ? Are they going to have MJD jerseys ? I'll buy a Fred

12:52

Taylor and MJD . I would probably get , honestly , I

12:54

think , maybe what about one

12:56

like a double D , like a Donovan

12:58

Darius or a Rasheed Mathis ? I'd buy one of those

13:00

too .

13:01

Absolutely , absolutely . Tony

13:03

Brackens , leon Searcy

13:05

you know that was a guy that did

13:08

some good things for us too . Whoever they

13:10

put out there , you know I want

13:12

to probably get a you

13:14

know , an old school player , and

13:17

as for the modern players

13:19

, it's kind of a hard decision to make . Obviously

13:21

, you know you want 16 . But

13:25

I mean , I guess Josh Allen makes a lot of sense , since we know he'll be here long

13:27

term . Now , you know we have that Tyler Shatley

13:29

get a Tyler Shatley one .

13:31

There you go .

13:32

Can't go wrong with that . Tyler Shatley returns

13:35

every year . Shout out to Tyler Shatley

13:37

for getting another deal , by the way no-transcript

14:12

.

14:12

So , honestly , if they release and we talked about

14:14

this if they release like a Barry Sanders in that black

14:16

jersey , I might have to get that .

14:19

Oh no , I put it on Twitter . I agree , those are the best

14:21

jerseys in football , and what makes

14:24

the uniform just pop

14:26

? Are the helmets right ? The helmets are

14:28

coming out in different colors .

14:29

Yeah , that Honolulu blue helmet is cold dude

14:32

. Oh my gosh .

14:35

Man , look man . I really wish

14:38

that was one aspect that

14:40

the Jaguars got in terms of

14:42

not just having a black

14:44

helmet but other forms of

14:46

a helmet color somewhere in there . But

14:49

don't get it twisted . I'm still excited

14:51

about the return of throwbacks , but

14:54

yeah , man , the Lions knocked it out

14:57

of the park in a time where , when

14:59

it comes to these jersey concepts , they're not

15:01

all that appealing . As of

15:03

the last three , four years , you

15:05

could tell Nike has toned it down , for whatever

15:07

reasons . They're looking more bland

15:10

. We complained about that with our jerseys that

15:12

we currently wear , but they

15:15

hit the nail on the head with going

15:18

back to the throwback for us and also

15:20

what they did with the Lions . Man .

15:23

Well , speaking of bland , you know the Jets

15:25

just rolled out . I don't even know

15:27

what that was . They

15:29

got totally overshadowed by the Jaguars

15:31

and the Lions . So you'll love to see it and

15:33

you know love to see Aaron Rodgers taking

15:36

L's on and off the field . But

15:38

we'll leave that discussion for , you

15:40

know , off the podcast . But , jay

15:43

, let's jump into this mock

15:45

draft here and if you guys haven't

15:47

seen it , I put up kind of a uh one

15:49

and done mock draft with no trades

15:51

about a couple weeks ago . It was at the very

15:53

beginning of the month , so I'll kind of defer

15:55

to that , maybe make some adjustments here

15:58

. But , jay , I know you uh

16:00

, like you said , you know this is going to be going up on the site

16:02

here very , very soon . So people are going to be getting

16:04

a little bit of a sneak preview that listen

16:07

to this episode . So let's

16:09

go to round one . Um , I'm curious to see

16:11

you know how many trades you decided to make , if

16:13

any . Obviously you know

16:15

, when you spoke with ian last week he had

16:17

us taking roma dunze

16:20

, I believe , at pick 12 and

16:22

one of my things immediately

16:24

when I heard him say that was like man , man , I don't . Is

16:26

Rome really . Does he think Rome is really

16:29

going to be there at pick 12

16:31

? And he made a good point

16:33

, because every year something

16:35

crazy happens

16:38

, even five

16:40

going in the top 12 when you're talking about obviously

16:43

the big three . But then you throw in jj mccarthy

16:46

and michael pennix jr or

16:48

bo nicks whoever that guy ends up

16:50

being . I think you could see five picks or

16:52

five quarterbacks going in the top

16:54

12 . There's probably going to be a

16:56

run maybe on those offensive linemen like

16:58

ian mentioned , and then you know

17:00

that leaves the wide receiver position kind of up for

17:02

grabs . So marvin harrison j , I think we

17:04

believe is going to be off the table

17:06

. So in this mock

17:08

, did you decide to kind of make that move

17:10

for one of those top tier

17:12

wide receivers , or did you stand

17:15

pat and maybe hope that

17:17

one of those other players that you covet

17:19

is going to be there at 17 ?

17:22

Oh man , I was going to . That

17:24

was the initial plan and if you look

17:26

in the text thread , my initial draft

17:28

, that I did before the draft

17:30

luncheon . I traded up for Rome

17:33

and I had ended up changing that after

17:35

the draft luncheon because of what they said and

17:38

they just kind of indicated that they

17:41

really wanted a cornerback . And that need

17:43

for a cornerback Trent Baalke has made

17:46

apparent , dating back before the

17:48

draft luncheon . He was talking

17:50

about that during the post-combine

17:53

presser . You know , when they get to the combine

17:55

and they speak to the GMs before everybody

17:57

takes the field and do the exercises

17:59

and all of that . He spoke about the need for a

18:01

cornerback there . And then of course

18:03

free agency happened and we got

18:05

Ronald Darby . So you know then you're questioning

18:08

okay , you know they still may want a corner

18:10

, but do they want a corner bad

18:13

enough to draft one in the first round ? You know you

18:15

have those thoughts in your head . So he

18:17

kind of clarified where they were

18:19

and I haven't seen the presser but I've seen

18:21

the articles that the Florida Time

18:23

Union has put up . I think Justin

18:26

Lewis and Demetrius shout

18:28

outs to them . But you know they

18:30

made the need for a cornerback apparent

18:32

again in those press conferences . So

18:35

I had to redo my mock . I had to scrap

18:37

the one where I traded up for Odunze and

18:40

I went with Terry and Arnold , which at

18:42

that time I forgot that that's who you went

18:44

with . So for the sake of a

18:46

little bit of different content

18:48

on the site , I probably should have went with

18:51

another cornerback or something

18:53

or another route . But yeah

18:55

, I went with Terry and Arnold because

18:57

it just feels like that's what this team wants

19:00

. Or Quinn Young Mitchell , who in my

19:02

simulation that I did with PFF wasn't available , or Quinn Young Mitchell

19:04

, who in my simulation that I did with PFF wasn't available . But it feels like that's

19:06

what this team really , really wants . Even

19:09

with getting Ronald Darby

19:11

, which

19:16

me and Ian talked about this , and I mentioned this specifically Ronald Darby does have

19:18

some injuries in his history . That's kind of something that has

19:21

prevented his career from propelling

19:23

to even greater heights . Don't get me wrong . The man played

19:25

great football for the Ravens last

19:28

year . But you know he's a guy

19:30

, that he's 30 , you

19:32

know as well . So you have

19:35

to wonder how long he's going

19:37

to play for the Jacksonville

19:39

Jaguars when you look at that . And

19:42

I mean I just think you know Terry Arnold

19:44

. He fits what they

19:46

need , just not just from their vocalization

19:49

of needing a cornerback . But you know he's a

19:52

guy that has the man

19:54

coverage skills that Ryan Nielsen

19:56

may ask for in this scheme , because that's kind

19:58

of what he did in Atlanta Heavy man coverage

20:00

scheme . You know he's a guy

20:03

that me and you talked about from the perspective

20:05

of he fits what they want in a locker room leader

20:07

too . We've seen this shift to them wanting locker

20:09

room leaders right over the past few

20:11

years . They go in and get an Eric

20:13

Armstead , they go and resign Josh Allen

20:16

. You know they are trying to fix the

20:18

leadership aspect of this team and

20:20

that's what Terry and Arnold is . You know he's

20:22

a great guy off of the

20:24

field as well . He's a

20:26

guy that would come in be a leader

20:28

for this team from a locker room perspective

20:31

. But his play for the most part

20:33

it's been times where he's

20:35

struggled , but his play for the most part

20:37

also speaks for

20:39

what kind of player he is . So you're

20:42

getting the total package there , what

20:46

kind of player he is . So you're getting the total package there and I would not be mad with

20:48

that pick at all , although I do think receiver is a bigger priority

20:50

and I would rather get Odunze or neighbors

20:53

or something like that , but I still

20:55

wouldn't be mad with that pick Now . Admittedly , we

20:57

probably would have to trade up from 17

20:59

to get him , but the results

21:01

, you know , sounds like it would be the same regardless

21:04

. If they trade it up , it's probably for a cornerback

21:06

and it would probably be Terry and Arnold . If

21:08

they stand pat and Arnold's there , you

21:11

know they'll obviously take him . So , regardless

21:13

, the plan seems

21:15

like it would be the same in terms of

21:17

the end result .

21:19

Yeah , and in my mock Terry and Arnold was

21:21

also there . Don't know if that's going

21:23

to be the case . And then what I did today

21:26

, quinion Mitchell was there , which

21:28

I think is less likely . But

21:31

let me ask you this , jay which group

21:33

do you trust more going

21:36

in ? So in these scenarios we

21:39

either are getting a wide receiver or

21:41

a DB . So let

21:44

me phrase it this way let's say

21:46

we do not take a wide receiver and

21:48

you roll out Christian Kirk , gabe

21:50

Davis , devin Duvernay and

21:53

Zay Jones , parker Washington

21:55

, we'll throw him in there . Or we

21:57

draft a wide receiver and you roll

21:59

out Ronald Darby , buster

22:01

Brown , obviously , tyson Campbell and

22:05

whoever else they've added there . Which group

22:07

do you trust more if

22:09

we don't draft that position

22:12

group ? Does that make sense ? Do you trust the wide receiver

22:14

group , as is more , or the DB group

22:16

, as is more ? I guess I'll put it that way

22:18

.

22:19

Oh yeah , it makes complete sense . I trust the

22:21

DB group more . I can answer

22:23

that easily . I don't think

22:26

we're doing Trevor Lawrence any justice with rolling out

22:28

the current group that we have . And that's no knock on

22:30

Gabe Davis , who I think is

22:32

a good player and everything . But for

22:34

you to lose Calvin Ridley and

22:37

just be complacent with

22:39

the addition of Gabe Davis , something

22:41

don't sit well with my spirit about that

22:44

. If you lose Calvin Ridley , you

22:46

need to be trying to fix that , in

22:49

my opinion , with a first round receiver

22:51

, which has kind of been an issue for this

22:53

team . I think when you look

22:55

at not just Trent Baalke's issues

22:57

with drafting receivers but the issues

22:59

that we presented or caused

23:02

for our quarterback , a lot of this is because sometimes

23:04

we haven't been willing to put a first round

23:06

pick into the wide receiver position . That's

23:09

very important for a quarterback and , as

23:11

you've seen in history a lot

23:13

of times , investing a number of

23:15

first round pick into a wide receiver quarterback helps

23:18

a young quarterback tremendously or a

23:20

franchise tremendously , like Justin

23:22

Jefferson for example , and

23:25

it's a few other examples out there . But

23:27

something don't sit well

23:29

with my spirit about trotting this current wide

23:31

receiver group out there . I'd rather trot the defensive

23:34

backs group out there that we have , even

23:36

though I just said you know , ronald Darby

23:38

, you know probably isn't a long-term answer

23:41

, but I do feel

23:43

like it's not out of the realm

23:45

of possibilities that he can get

23:47

through the season healthy and play

23:49

all games . I think he could play

23:51

in all what 17 games we have

23:54

now . But history has said

23:56

he's kind of had injury , concerns this

23:58

, that and the other . But if

24:00

he's healthy I think

24:02

he'll be a very , very good player for us

24:05

. I mean , just pop in the Ravens tape

24:07

of him , man , and the Ravens also . They

24:09

don't put any slouches on the field

24:12

right . So I'd rather

24:14

roll with that if

24:16

that's what it takes at the expense of getting

24:18

a receiver . I'd rather roll with that defensive

24:20

back group and upgrading the wide receiver

24:22

group .

24:24

Yeah , makes a lot of sense , especially when you're talking about supporting

24:26

Trevor Lawrence in any way that

24:29

she can . I mean , I got to say if they don't take

24:31

wide receiver , if they don't address it

24:33

and get a guy that can benefit within

24:35

the first two rounds , then they better be

24:37

cooking something with Brandon Ayuk , right

24:39

? Or T Higgins T Higgins , I think , is less likely

24:41

, but Brandon Ayuk is the guy that

24:44

everyone keeps circling . They better have some

24:46

kind of backup plan if wide

24:49

receiver isn't addressed within

24:51

, I think , the first two rounds . I think you gotta

24:53

do it there . So , uh , we'll certainly

24:55

see what happened . But yeah , like I mentioned , terry and

24:57

arnold was the pick , uh , for my

24:59

initial mock draft and

25:01

you know , for all the reasons you just mentioned , as

25:04

far as obviously , on the field and off the field

25:06

, it would be a a huge upgrade

25:08

. But let's move into the

25:10

second round , jay , and that is going

25:12

to be pick number 48

25:14

. And I guess I'll just

25:16

transition with what we were just talking about . Is

25:19

this where you have the Jaguars addressing

25:21

that wide receiver position and

25:23

getting Trev that additional

25:25

weapon ?

25:26

Yes , I've joined the

25:28

Ricky Pearsall to

25:30

Jacksonville I

25:33

don't want to say hype train , but I've joined

25:35

the Ricky Pearsall to Jacksonville

25:37

thought process that it

25:40

is a strong chance it can happen . And

25:43

I don't dislike Ricky Pearsall and

25:45

the more I watched him I was like , ok , I

25:47

like this kid a little bit more than I previously

25:50

did . My only question is and

25:53

I'm struggling with this , admittedly can

25:56

he be a flanker ? Can he play on the outside

25:58

for this team ? I'm not sure

26:00

. I'm sure that

26:02

some of these other names we mentioned can do that , but

26:05

I'm not sure with Ricky if that's the case

26:07

. But I mean , I

26:09

like what I've seen on film from him . I

26:11

especially like those videos . I know that you

26:13

know there's this whole thing of like stop posting

26:16

workout videos , like what's

26:18

the point in them ? This , that and the other . But

26:21

in addition to the film , I watch a Pierce Hall

26:23

. I think I watched three full games of his

26:25

. But the workout videos

26:27

and his ability to stop and start

26:30

man , I was so impressed

26:32

with it . I watched that cut up that he put

26:34

where he was doing wide receiver training . I think

26:36

Tyreek Hill might've been there too

26:38

. I watched that like five times

26:40

. I was like this dude's ability to stop

26:42

on a dime . It's kind of crazy , it's

26:44

kind of insane . I mean that's one of those

26:46

things we associated with Calvin Ridley . Remember

26:49

, phil , when we got Calvin Ridley and you

26:51

first asked me , like , what are

26:53

his standout skills ? That was one of his

26:55

ability to stop and start . Oops , I just hit

26:57

my mic . So if you

26:59

hit a bump here , heard a bump there , just disregard

27:02

that . But

27:10

yeah , man , when you look at that specific ability , it's possible he could play on

27:12

the outside and , you know , have some success . And you know , what excites

27:14

me about him is maybe he's this

27:16

guy that I'm

27:18

not as high on and he turns

27:20

out to be this star , kind of like

27:23

Puka Nakua , right , like I wouldn't

27:25

like gaga for him coming

27:27

out of the draft . You know I hadn't

27:29

seen a lot of film on him , but he wasn't one of those guys

27:32

I was like , oh , he could be a gym . So you

27:34

know , maybe he overachieves what

27:36

I have in my mind for

27:38

him when he enters the NFL . And

27:41

if he does , I mean , man , we'd be cooking

27:43

with grease on this offense .

27:46

Yeah , I mean listen , the only thing with Ricky Pearsall

27:48

and this is my own bias

27:50

is

27:53

just how drafting these Florida players has worked out for this team . And

27:55

that is maybe an unfair

27:57

assessment . I understand that . But

27:59

when you just look at what has happened

28:02

, when you think of the Dante Fowlers

28:04

, when you think of the CJ Hendersons

28:06

which may have been the worst of all of them what

28:09

is it about that ? Knowing , because you will , you have

28:12

an intimate knowledge about the Florida program because of your

28:14

ties to you know , being a Georgia fan , so

28:16

you watch that team closely and obviously being

28:18

in the , you know , in SEC country . So what

28:21

is it about Ricky Pierce ? Also , you know , for

28:23

an uninformed person like myself and

28:25

I've seen the tape and I've seen the workout

28:27

video obviously

28:33

all that looks very special . So , you know , with a florida gator team that obviously under , has underachieved

28:35

at least to their standards , based on the type of program that they are , what

28:38

is it about ricky persol ? That is different

28:40

, that you can tell somebody like myself and

28:42

I'm sure others that feel the same way hey

28:44

, this is not the same type of Florida prospect

28:47

and obviously a second rounder will be a lot

28:49

different too . We're not talking about taking a guy

28:51

in the top 10 , top 15 , whatever it may

28:53

be . This would be a second round pick

28:55

and a guy that again has a

28:57

lot of supporters , and I get that . What

28:59

would you say to those people that are concerned about bringing

29:01

in yet another Florida prospect here when

29:04

that just has not worked out in

29:06

previous years on numerous occasions , when that just

29:08

has not worked out ?

29:08

in previous years on numerous occasions . Oh yeah , admittedly , it's hard for me to

29:10

get over that too , admittedly

29:13

, as you said , as

29:22

a Georgia fan , and not just my hatred towards the Florida Gators program , but history

29:24

has served me correctly many , many times on these Florida prospects

29:26

. Now I think there

29:28

are some , obviously , some outliers and

29:30

some exemptions that I saw

29:32

coming that actually had success . The

29:35

Pouncey brothers right , I think

29:37

we all could see that they were going to be very

29:39

good in the NFL . Percy

29:41

Harvin you know , had he been able

29:43

to stay healthy , he would have been

29:45

another one of those guys . But I

29:47

think for me is I

29:50

believe , with Ricky , that

29:53

he'll be a much better NFL

29:56

player than he was a college

29:58

player , and I do , or

30:00

I am , intrigued by the whole aspect

30:02

of getting him with a guy

30:05

like Chad Hall , our receivers coach , who

30:07

has coached up you know Stefan Diggs , who you know I don't want , who has coached up . You know

30:09

Stefan Diggs , who , you know I don't want to say coached up , but you

30:12

know , served as a vital part of

30:14

his career when

30:16

he was with Buffalo and

30:19

, you know , I just think like it's a lot of also

30:21

good veterans

30:23

for him to learn around in this program

30:25

too . While I

30:27

have my concerns about this group , one

30:30

thing I can't say about the group

30:32

is that not only do they

30:34

have Chad Hall , but they have

30:36

some guys here that could

30:38

really take Ricky under their wing and

30:40

get him to overachieve where he was in

30:42

Florida . You have a Christian Kirk that

30:45

can help you out . You have a Zay Jones here . You

30:47

have a Gabe Davis now who's been four

30:49

years into his career

30:51

. So those are the things

30:53

that I'm more so

30:56

, or that more so make

30:58

me optimistic that he could overachieve

31:01

. This whole thing of Florida

31:03

prospects not working out is because

31:06

of what we have in place to help

31:08

him become a better NFL player

31:11

or more notable NFL player than he was

31:13

in college .

31:15

Okay , yeah , I mean that makes a lot of sense

31:17

, like I said when you put the tape on

31:19

, and we've always been a

31:21

big advocate of this , it doesn't lie

31:23

and I think he could be better in

31:26

the right system and be successful

31:28

, especially with a plethora of

31:31

veterans that we have here . I mean , you

31:33

know , having him and Parker Washington together

31:35

kind of learn and and hopefully be

31:37

that you know the next run and next

31:39

generation of receivers here in Jacksonville would

31:42

would be great . In my mock

31:44

I have in the one I put out in

31:46

the beginning of the month , was Xavier Leggett , and

31:48

you know that was a guy that we had kind of gone back and forth

31:50

on . I haven't heard too much about

31:52

him in recent weeks

31:54

as far as what the kind of

31:57

general consensus has been on

31:59

him , but you know it . Just the

32:01

fact remains that they have to address wide

32:03

receiver within the first

32:06

two rounds and I think he could pause . I

32:08

think Clay Harbor is also a big fan of his . I

32:11

think that guy definitely has all the tools that if you , if

32:13

you had to put , you know , the two next

32:16

to each other between Leggett and

32:18

Pearsall , I think I would still lean towards

32:21

Leggett , but you know , if it's

32:23

we're talking about round two wide receivers , I

32:25

think either one of them would be solid , and

32:27

I know there's also been kind of a little bit of a swell

32:29

of support , jay , for

32:31

Jalen Polk from

32:33

Washington . Now , that's a guy I think actually Ian mentioned

32:35

it last week that's

32:39

a guy , more so in the mold of a Calvin Ridley , so maybe not a guy that's

32:41

necessarily going to take the top off , but

32:48

I want to get your thoughts maybe on that little bit of kind

32:51

of kind of again noise that's coming out of the Jalen Polk camp for as far as

32:53

Jaguar fans . Um , and then also , you know , would you welcome Xavier Leguette

32:55

as the pick there as well ?

32:57

yeah , well , you know , in the beginning of the draft process I

32:59

was real high on Xavier Leguette and

33:02

then , you know , the senior bowl kind of put

33:04

him down on some people's list . But as

33:06

me and you have discussed I I think it was the

33:09

episode before this one it's like you

33:12

just go back to the film and ask

33:14

yourself does it make sense and what you're

33:16

seeing there ? And I still

33:18

come away a big fan of Xavier

33:20

Leguette . The only reason why I'm

33:22

a little bit down on him is not even because

33:24

of the senior bowl , though . It's because we got

33:26

Gabe Davis , and Gabe Davis is

33:29

at least for this offense

33:31

. Their skill sets are a

33:33

little too similar . You know what I'm saying . Like

33:35

I don't want to stockpile a lot of guys with

33:37

the same skill set and

33:39

that is why I lean towards a Ricky

33:41

Pearsall who you know , has

33:43

shown that ability on film to

33:46

stop and start , you know , at

33:49

the drop of a dime . That skill

33:51

set that is a little bit different from Gabe Davis

33:53

, that's a little bit different from Isaiah

33:55

Jones , you know . So that's why I'm

33:58

kind of like , not as high on Leggett

34:00

because of the

34:02

addition of Gabe Davis . Had we not added Gabe

34:04

Davis then I'd be like , yeah , probably

34:07

, you know , go there , but then again we would

34:09

still need two receivers

34:11

at that point as opposed to one . Now

34:13

, the Jalen Polk stuff . I'm going to have to

34:16

watch some film on Polk . Admittedly

34:18

, he's one that I haven't gotten around to

34:20

as many receivers as I've seen in

34:22

this draft . He's one of those

34:24

guys that I admittedly want to see some more

34:26

film on before I speak on .

34:29

Yeah , really , the only thing I know in terms of

34:31

Jalen Polk is him and Roma Dunze

34:33

cooking my Texas Longhorns

34:36

in the college football playoffs

34:38

, but I have seen his name pop up and some

34:41

people throwing out mocks out there and

34:43

some again within Jaguar Twitter . I've seen

34:45

some people mention him . But let's

34:47

keep this train rolling , jay . Let's move into

34:50

the next pick here , and that

34:52

is here in the third round , and

34:54

I believe , if I recall—oh no , not

34:56

yet . Oh yeah actually . Yeah , I believe this is where

34:58

you might have some movement , and you saw

35:00

a guy that you wanted to target and you wanted

35:03

to go up and get correct .

35:05

Yes . So

35:12

the way that the board fell , you know I and this is one thing I watch in

35:14

the simulators , I do it . I make the simulator

35:16

go , not turbo speed for those of you who use

35:18

the simulator um , not too slow

35:20

either , but kind of mid speed so I can kind of like

35:22

monitor the draft board . And I

35:24

noticed that austin booker was getting

35:27

in striking range for me here so I

35:29

went with him , the edge rusher out

35:31

of Kansas . He's

35:34

a guy that has a lot of bulky traits

35:36

. He has a frame that

35:38

he could probably add more weight to A

35:41

guy's 6'4" 240 pounds

35:43

. So he can add some more weight to that frame . And

35:45

I mean this team simply needs an edge three

35:47

. You know we lost Caleb

35:50

on chase on , who really wasn't successful

35:52

in that role anyway to the

35:54

Carolina Panthers . And

35:57

you know , while it's not a

35:59

pressing need like receiver

36:01

and cornerback is it's it's close

36:04

, it's close and

36:06

this team just needs to do

36:08

something there . Um , because obviously

36:11

josh allen and trayvon walker

36:13

you know their work speaks for itself last year

36:15

but you know when

36:17

those guys are not necessarily

36:19

off the field as a pair , but you know

36:21

when those guys need to come off the field for a little

36:23

bit , man who can step up and

36:26

provide that . You

36:29

know that edge rusher three

36:31

pass rush that we need , like Arden Key

36:33

did , who his name escaped me early in

36:35

the podcast . That's who I was referring to , like Arden

36:37

Key . So I went with Booker

36:40

. I see a player that's real

36:42

raw , but I got a really good feeling

36:44

about that kid in terms

36:46

of over time

36:48

becoming what you would like in

36:50

maybe an edge rusher three and maybe even

36:53

you see a scenario where he's so good

36:55

to where you know he's at the end

36:57

of his contract and people are trying to pay him edge

36:59

rusher one type of money . So I

37:02

think he would develop fine here . You'll

37:04

put him under the wing I speak on this often

37:06

you'll put him under the wing of a Josh Allen

37:08

who just got paid crazy money . That can show

37:10

him the way who learned from Calais Campbell

37:13

. Right , you can . He

37:15

can learn some things from a Trayvon

37:17

Walker who knows what the pressure is

37:20

like of being a high

37:22

round draft pick and being asked

37:24

to do a lot upon your arrival

37:27

. So you know that puts him in a good position

37:29

In terms of his skill set

37:31

. You know he's a guy at time that

37:33

has shown , depending on who

37:35

you ask . Some people don't think like he's

37:38

super bendy , but he's shown a

37:40

good enough bend , in my opinion , on

37:42

the field and yeah , just

37:44

over time , I think he would be a guy

37:46

that could really really help this team

37:49

from the perspective of replacing Caleb on

37:51

chase and giving them more than they had in him

37:53

.

37:54

Yeah , man , austin Booker is a guy that

37:56

early in the draft process that I

37:58

saw I kept seeing pop up on

38:01

draft Twitter . So , you know , I just had to look into

38:03

him and , yeah , I agree , I think that guy is going

38:05

to be a steal . He is explosive

38:08

off the line and he I'm

38:10

super physical . I saw him popping

38:12

up in the run against texas . Uh

38:15

, this is a guy like , yeah , I totally agree

38:17

that he is going to be a guy that's going to get a big second

38:19

contract . I mean , I just hope that the the

38:22

wrong team doesn't get him in

38:24

terms of you know how it affects the jaguars

38:26

, right , I don't want to see him coming to the afc south , don't

38:29

want to see him going to the afc . In general , I don't want to think

38:31

. I think this guy has a very

38:33

, very high ceiling . So

38:36

I'm definitely on board with

38:38

that . Um , for my round three pick

38:40

, I actually went to wayne carter , which

38:42

, to kind of give you guys a little bit of a preview

38:44

, I think is going to pop up here in just a moment

38:47

. We talked about it , jay . For whatever reason , pff

38:50

is just not a fan of Dwayne Carter , no matter where

38:52

you draft him . That's why I've been using the pro

38:54

football focus uh , or the pro

38:56

football network , uh draft

38:58

simulator because they don't give me any grades and they don't

39:00

make me feel bad for , you know , doing what I

39:02

think is right . But yeah

39:05

, and then that was at pick 96 again . This was no trades

39:07

for me in my mock draft . But yeah , I would

39:09

love to see them be aggressive and

39:12

go get a guy like an austin booker

39:14

and pair him with an already

39:16

with a defensive line that we already have lofty expectations

39:18

for . We're talking about josh allen returning

39:21

to forum and then adding eric armstead to that

39:23

, and then obviously we we expect trayvon

39:25

walker to continue to ascend and

39:28

we still kind of don't

39:30

know about Yassir Abdullah . He was a little bit of

39:32

a project pick . Actually , in

39:34

my mock draft I had Austin Booker and I don't

39:36

think this is going to happen . I had him at pick 116

39:39

in round four . He's going to be gone well before then . He

39:41

was just available in that mock draft

39:43

simulator again at the beginning of

39:45

the month . So we're talking weeks from now . So I

39:47

forgot . I did have Austin Booker a little bit later . So

39:50

you know the two guys Dwayne Carter , austin Booker

39:52

, jay I think we would love to see added to

39:54

the defense again to kind of give people a little bit

39:56

of a heads up as to where you're leaning

39:58

towards at pick 114 .

40:01

So , phil , I can absolutely understand

40:03

why you feel the way you feel about Austin

40:06

Booker and why we share

40:08

the same you know viewpoint

40:11

of him . His PFF

40:13

grade against your Texas Longhorns

40:16

was an 82.3 . That

40:18

was his best grade of the season

40:20

, yeah .

40:21

Yeah , so you couldn't help but notice

40:23

it . That's what it was . It was probably like some kind of PTSD

40:25

. I was like why does that name sound so familiar

40:28

? When I was going through this this draft

40:30

season .

40:32

Yeah , yeah , he absolutely crushed

40:34

it that game , according to PFF . But

40:36

yeah , I mean going ahead , as

40:38

you said . You kind of mentioned this in

40:41

round four of my mock here

40:43

I went with Dwayne Carter , who

40:45

probably won't be there

40:47

, but

40:54

yeah , he's a guy that and I hate to like put a mock out there that

40:56

has similar picks . I should have probably went back

40:58

and look at at your draft , which I you know , I was the person

41:00

that posted it and edited . I should have known . But

41:02

it's OK , we're here now , Right . But

41:05

yeah , Dwayne Carter man , he's a guy like . When

41:07

I watched him on film he was real slippery

41:09

man . He always found himself into the backfield

41:11

, always helping from

41:14

a tackle for loss perspective

41:16

. Not sure why PFF isn't high on

41:18

him . He does fit that model

41:20

. There was a Twitter user out there that

41:23

commented on one of my tweets

41:25

that did bring it to my attention

41:27

of the type of body

41:29

types that they like

41:31

in Ryan Nielsen's scheme

41:34

. He has that type of body type , right

41:37

, Not overly tall as a defensive

41:39

tackle . Let me pull

41:41

up his measurables as a matter of fact here . Yeah

41:44

, 6'2" , 302 pounds

41:46

, you know . So he's

41:48

one of those guys who he

41:50

fits that mold of what we saw in Atlanta in

41:53

the interior part of the defense

41:55

, and , yeah , I'll be excited to get this

41:57

guy , whether it's in the , if we get

41:59

him in the fourth . I mean that's a steal in my

42:01

opinion . I don't know what PFF is talking about

42:03

, but , as me and you have said , PFF

42:06

isn't necessarily the know-all be-all . But , as me and you

42:08

have said , PFF isn't necessarily the know-all-be-all , though we

42:10

often refer to them in terms of statistics

42:12

and grades and stuff . But , yeah , man

42:15

, I would be excited about getting this young

42:17

man . As we said , man

42:20

, we learned this in 2017

42:22

. When it comes to the interior and the defensive

42:24

line , it's about stockpiling

42:26

on top of what you have , and

42:29

this is a guy that can come in and learn from Eric

42:31

Armstead for a few years and , you

42:33

know , maybe in two years or three years , whatever

42:35

the case may be , you got a guy who's a flat

42:38

out stud for the interior part of

42:40

your defense .

42:41

Yeah and listen . Obviously we want it to happen

42:44

, but if Devon

42:46

Hamilton , for whatever

42:48

reason , can't return to form , they're

42:50

going to need another guy alongside Eric

42:53

Armstead to fill that role

42:55

we had added

42:57

in . You

42:59

know he took 422

43:03

snaps in the B gap in 2023 and

43:05

over 100 snaps outside

43:08

the tackle , so I mean we're talking about a guy

43:10

with a . That's really

43:12

great . Against the run , Obviously we love that

43:14

. High IQ , high motor , good

43:17

hands . This

43:20

would be an absolute steal again , if we walk away from this weekend

43:23

, jay , and we are able to pair Austin

43:25

Booker with Dwayne Carter

43:28

are you kidding me , like on day three , that

43:30

would be an absolute steal

43:32

. Now the problem is is

43:35

Trent Bulkey and his staff ? Are they thinking

43:37

the same way ? You know that remains

43:39

to be seen . But let's move into

43:41

the next pick here , jay , which is another fourth

43:43

rounder . I think you also had some movement here

43:46

. So what did you have the Jags doing with

43:48

their second fourth round pick ? Did you

43:50

stand back at 116

43:52

or was there a little bit of movement here ?

43:55

So I think I traded

43:57

back a little bit

43:59

with the Jets . Yeah , I'm looking

44:01

at it here . I traded back with the Jets from

44:04

116 . I went to 134 because

44:06

I wasn't like super impressed with what was available

44:08

at that point and I was

44:10

eyeing somebody who I could get later

44:14

a few picks back in . That person , for

44:16

injury reasons , which we discussed

44:19

with Ian on the podcast

44:21

, was Zach Zenter , who you

44:23

know . Zach Zenter had third

44:26

second round grades before , maybe

44:29

even higher , before the injury right , which

44:31

, as Ian pointed out

44:34

, there wasn't any ligament damage in the leg

44:36

. I forgot what kind of specific injury it was

44:38

, I'm blanking out on that but it wasn't any ligament

44:40

damage . So it's probably nothing long term

44:43

. You know , you may be dealing with a guy here

44:45

. I would have to see what's the timeline for his injury

44:47

where he might not be available for

44:49

some of training camp . Look , that's OK , we're

44:51

in the fourth round here . You know what I'm

44:53

saying . Like it's not that big of

44:55

a deal , like typically you're not going to start

44:58

her in the fourth round anyway . So

45:00

you know , here you have a guy when you look

45:02

at where he was before the injury . Here

45:05

you

45:07

have a guy when you look at where he was before the injury . Here you have a guy who you probably

45:09

would have drafted as a starter before the injury , but teams can't

45:11

afford to do that right now because he might not

45:14

be able to be a part of camp

45:16

or whatever the case may be . Again , I'll have to look at the

45:18

timeline , but this is a bulky

45:20

special . Get a

45:22

guy that falls for injury red flag

45:25

reasons and

45:27

, you know , hope that they can get back to where

45:29

they were , and I believe Zach Zinter can

45:31

get back to where they were before

45:33

their injury . So you know , I have a guy here

45:36

who we know , brandon Scherf

45:38

, probably won't be here long term

45:40

, past this year . You know we'll have

45:42

to see if there aren't some kind of extension . I

45:44

think they altered

45:46

his deal to where he's on just one year

45:48

left on the deal now , so

45:51

you got to have a succession plan for

45:53

him . That's one thing that I kind

45:55

of heavily consider in this mock

45:57

draft before I even press start on

45:59

. It was like we got to find , you know

46:01

, somebody to succeed Brandon

46:04

Scherf and yeah , this trading

46:06

back with the Jets allowed me to do

46:08

it while picking up a few extra picks , so why

46:10

not and then also to feel

46:13

, you know , we brought in Tom Gamble

46:15

here who you know was one of the personnel

46:17

executives over there with Michigan

46:19

. Now we all know Balky and Harbaugh

46:22

don't really like each other and maybe that's

46:24

caused some you you know maybe

46:26

some hesitation from drafting

46:29

Michigan players on Balky's part . But with

46:31

Tom Gamble coming in , who you know , tom

46:33

Gamble , it was what not

46:35

too long ago , phil , eight years

46:37

ago , maybe a decade ago we were talking

46:40

about Tom Gamble on one hour other

46:43

versions of this podcast back in the

46:45

day being a potential GM

46:47

candidate for the Jacksonville Jaguars

46:49

before they got Dave Caldwell . So

46:51

you know , tom Gamble

46:53

will definitely . That was part

46:55

of why I went this route could definitely

46:57

influence this . They have some in-house

46:59

intel on Zach Zenter and

47:02

I think this is the year that you know we

47:04

break that whole not taking Michigan players

47:06

thing . I mean , and this is a year that you know we break that whole not taking Michigan players thing . I mean , and this

47:08

is a talented Michigan team , albeit like

47:10

these . These kids are a little bit older , you know

47:12

the 23-24 range , but

47:15

when you look at this class

47:17

that they're putting out there no , I mean , it's not

47:19

a Georgia class , of course like we're

47:22

the best to do it , but it's

47:24

a very good class . Zenter

47:27

Mike St Cyril

47:29

, the cornerback that a lot of people believe

47:31

will be a very good nickel . Some people might

47:34

feel he'll be a very good outside

47:36

corner . Chris Jenkins Jr

47:38

so that's the son of Chris

47:40

Jenkins , obviously from formerly of

47:43

the Carolina Panthers , if I'm not mistaken

47:45

. You see all of these kids JJ

47:47

McCarthy I know the takes

47:50

on him are some

47:52

people love him , some people hate him , but

47:55

the fact remains that he's a

47:57

very highly discussed prospect

47:59

in this draft , and there's some others out there there's

48:01

another guard that's escaping my mind right

48:04

now that they have entering the draft as

48:06

well too . So this is a very

48:08

talented Michigan class that nobody

48:10

, you know , for whatever personal reasons

48:13

or whatever reasons , should be overlooking

48:15

in terms of bringing these kids into the NFL

48:18

and them turning out to be very good players .

48:20

Yeah , I mean , with Gamble coming in a pencil in , we're taking JJ McCarthy

48:23

, we're taking Blake Corum , with Gamble coming in Pencil in , we're

48:25

taking JJ McCarthy , we're taking Blake Corum , like you said , we're

48:27

doing Chris Jenkins , zach Zinter

48:29

, roman Wilson , all those guys Pencil them

48:31

in , and we're going to have the Jacksonville

48:34

Wolverines here , that's

48:36

with the team that we're going to be fielding in

48:38

2024 , 2025 . But no , I

48:40

mean , like you said , with him being here

48:42

, it

48:47

lends a lot of credence to , you know , the zach zinter and the zach zinter

48:49

pick and , uh , you know , if the medicals are all good , uh , you know , I think he is definitely

48:52

an opportunity to to be the succession plan

48:54

. Uh , like you mentioned , to brandon

48:56

scherf . But uh , jay , if you want to , just , you

48:58

know , we're kind of getting to the latter stages of the draft

49:00

here . We want to wrap up this episode . You know , if you

49:02

want to kind of rattle off the picks for

49:04

the fifth , sixth and seventh round that you got

49:07

, because I do believe you got that extra sixth

49:10

round pick , because we don't have a fifth round pick

49:12

, if I recall correctly , as

49:15

of right , as part of that trade maybe

49:17

, or we traded it elsewhere . But

49:19

yeah , what do you have as far as the last

49:21

few picks here on your mock

49:23

draft last

49:29

few picks here on your mock draft .

49:30

Yeah , we lost the um , I think it was a fifth or six for um for the quarterback . Uh , oh , yeah , that's

49:32

right for mac jones . Yeah , yeah , yeah for matt jones . So yeah , um

49:35

, which again we kind of discussed that

49:37

like um , I don't think we have a problem

49:39

with giving up a six for a kid

49:41

that was a former first round pick that could

49:43

develop into a solid quarterback too

49:46

. But I mean , I guess sometimes

49:48

it's about trusting players that you've seen

49:50

in the NFL against players that you haven't

49:52

. But yeah , I mean in terms of how

49:54

I rounded it out at 185

49:57

, which I picked up . I think that was one of the joints

49:59

I picked up from the Jets

50:01

. I took Javon Foster the tackle from Missouri . I

50:03

took Javon Foster the tackle from Missouri

50:05

. You know he's a guy that

50:07

you know he'd be viewed as a developmental

50:09

tackle for the NFL , obviously

50:12

, and you know he's a guy that they can

50:14

just kind of bring along . You know this won't be

50:16

the first time that they take an offensive lineman

50:18

late and have tried to develop

50:20

them . You know this is a kid that'll get a lot of time

50:22

in the preseason . You know you get a good

50:24

look at him . You add yourself some tackle

50:27

depth there because you know there's

50:29

kind of the

50:31

thought process that maybe you know this team might

50:33

look to trade Cam Robinson . You know some

50:35

people think that that's possible and

50:38

you know they just kind of don't know what they

50:40

have in . Walker Little , obviously , because he's

50:42

been in and out of the lineup and they don't obviously

50:44

they're not , they don't feel concrete about

50:46

him . And then Elijah Jones

50:49

, the cornerback from Boston College

50:51

. I saw some statistics on PFF

50:54

where I think it was PFF or

50:56

Twitter where he had some very good high

50:58

numbers in man coverage . So

51:00

that was the thought process there . And then

51:02

I went with at pick number 236

51:05

, because Trent Baalke can't

51:07

go without drafting linebackers

51:09

and drafting halfbacks

51:12

, slash running backs in the draft . I finished

51:14

it off with Kendall Milson from

51:16

the Georgia Bulldogs , who

51:18

I think is going to be a gem , by the way

51:20

, when you look at the history of

51:23

Georgia running backs , this

51:25

is a guy that history is on his side

51:27

for sure to be . Not that , you

51:29

know , not necessarily a great running

51:31

back or number one running back is what I'm trying

51:34

to say , but maybe a solid contributor

51:36

that can come in there , help , you know

51:38

, alleviate some things off of Travis ETN

51:40

.

51:42

Yeah , expect that . That running

51:44

back selection to show

51:46

up this year . I don't know how they feel about

51:48

. Take Bigsby Snoop Conner is

51:50

all but Avengers

51:52

. Infinity War dusted , we haven't heard

51:54

from in a bulky draft is

52:07

hopefully hit on that first-round

52:10

pick , not have a whole lot go on in the middle

52:12

rounds and drafting a linebacker and or

52:14

a running back . Those are the bulky principles

52:17

that he seems to . Oh , and draft a guy that's

52:19

coming off that has a questionable injury

52:21

history as well . Those are the bulky

52:24

commandments . And long

52:26

arms and long arms and

52:43

long arms yeah , that is what we will . Comes to Cam Robinson

52:46

, you know , with his injury concerns and you

52:48

know kind of being up in the air . As far as you

52:50

know what Walker Little is going to be , you know we all

52:52

think that Anton Harrison is the left tackle of

52:54

the future and I think that kind of leaves right tackle

52:57

up for a discussion , a debate

52:59

, a competition . And I slotted Blake

53:01

Fisher in there . So you know kind of want to get your thoughts

53:04

on that . I think he has some promising

53:06

attributes , especially as a run blocker

53:08

. Could develop into a long-term

53:10

starter in the league . You know , want to get your thoughts

53:12

on that before we wrap up .

53:14

Yeah , man , I love Notre Dame linemen

53:16

. I know some of them haven't panned out

53:18

and then some of them have , but I love Notre

53:21

Dame linemen . One of them that I

53:23

think I was high on correct me if I'm wrong

53:25

phil ronnie stanley , who he's

53:27

with the ravens and has been a long time tackle

53:29

with him , he came from notre dame . Am

53:31

I correct on that ?

53:33

let's see here .

53:35

Yes , he went to notre dame 2012

53:37

yeah , I love ronnie stanley's tape coming

53:39

out of the um , coming out of notre

53:41

dame . I love what he you know he's become

53:44

uh with the bal Baltimore Ravens

53:46

and it's been a bunch of other guys that

53:48

, a lot of them I've chosen , a lot of the guys

53:50

who haven't panned out in

53:52

the NFL . It's another one that's escaping

53:55

my mind right now . Zach , he's

53:57

with your Cowboys right now . He was a

53:59

very good starter .

54:00

Zach Martin .

54:01

Yeah , zach Martin . I love Zach Martin coming out

54:03

of the draft , even interviewed him

54:05

in the senior bowl . But yeah , man

54:07

, I like that pick . Yeah , you mentioned

54:09

it . Man , like what stood out to me for him

54:11

is his ability in the run game

54:13

, right , and

54:23

that kind of makes me concerned that the Jaguars won't pick him , because a lot of these guys that

54:25

I see is great fits in the run game they don't draft . So I don't know if they'll go that

54:27

route , but I would love to for the sake of Travis Etienne , right , for the

54:29

sake of we'll call it right now , for

54:31

the sake of Kendall Milton , our

54:33

future number two running back from Georgia

54:36

, for the sake of you

54:38

know , just this running game that we just been very

54:40

disappointed with . And you know it's clear that

54:42

I know Doug Peterson

54:45

, his offenses have

54:47

not been that run

54:49

heavy for the most part of his tenure

54:52

as a head coach , but they need to get back to that

54:54

and he's a guy that

54:56

can help them get back to that

54:58

if they were to draft him . So

55:00

I love that pick . Feel We'll see if it

55:02

happens . That's another one field

55:08

, we'll see if it happens , that's another one I feel kind of high on , just kind of

55:10

like , I feel , with Austin Booker of what he can become in the NFL . But we'll

55:12

see if , as you said , the

55:14

Jaguars mind and thought process matches

55:17

what we think .

55:19

Yeah , time will tell . This is

55:21

always a very

55:23

exciting and anxious

55:26

time of the year for Jaguar

55:28

fans , but there's a lot of talent

55:30

in this draft and , if they're looking

55:33

in the right places and

55:36

are valuing the same

55:38

things that we value , I think we can come

55:40

away with some really , really

55:42

solid players here , jay . So , as

55:44

we wrap this up , our final episode

55:47

before the NFL draft happens before

55:49

night one at least happens and we post

55:51

our next episode , which will be , uh , on Friday

55:53

. Uh , we'll get that up for you right away . Burning

55:56

the midnight oil and getting that episode

55:58

recorded and edited , jay

56:00

is

56:13

there anything else you want to mention ?

56:14

before we wrap up ? Any other players , you think maybe we should have an eye on um and then , yeah

56:16

, we'll get out of here and look forward to thursday ? Yeah , man , no , um , I think we uh made good time speaking

56:18

on the players that were in our mock draft , so I I won't talk anybody's ears

56:20

off and go into more prospects

56:22

, um , but yeah , man , um

56:24

, as you said , man , I can't wait for the draft

56:26

, wait to burn some of the midnight

56:29

oil and come back after

56:31

the draft process when our eyes

56:33

are heavy and still discuss

56:36

what took place . Man , that's always the

56:38

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56:40

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56:54

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