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I'm E. Horowitz, who

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is the man on the spot whenever

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there's a big event. Went

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to Columbia University and

0:42

attended a very large pro

0:45

Hamas rally. I

0:47

will be speaking at Columbia apparently,

0:49

uh, by the way, the, uh, in the beginning

0:52

of December, I'll give you

0:54

a details on that. As soon

0:56

as that's all confirmed, I attended

0:59

Columbia. This is not exactly

1:02

shocking to be honest. So

1:06

I, I mean, did you also go

1:08

to Israel?

1:10

I just got back, uh, yesterday from

1:12

Jordan, but yes, prior

1:14

to Jordan, I was in Israel for about 10 days.

1:18

Why did you go to Jordan? Uh,

1:22

a little bit of this, a little bit of that. That answers the question.

1:25

You sound like the Nashville police department. That's

1:30

a whole different discussion. I like to have at some point, but

1:33

I guess right now is not the, not, not, not

1:35

the, not the, all right. So you went to Jordan and

1:37

Israel and then, and after that you went to Columbia? Or

1:41

was the Columbia prior

1:42

to it was prior to that. So this is important

1:45

to me. It's

1:47

not critical, but it is, it is somewhat important. When

1:50

did you go to Columbia? When did

1:52

you go to Columbia? How long after

1:54

October 7th?

1:57

Uh, about a week. Okay,

2:00

that's the reason I say it's important is

2:02

because Israel had not yet

2:05

begun its retaliation So

2:08

the

2:08

retaliation not the ground war. Yeah

2:11

fair enough. That's a correct distinction.

2:14

Okay

2:15

so I watched

2:18

your video and You

2:21

assumed and you may be right that

2:24

there were thousands at Columbia

2:27

Yeah, I would say it was probably a couple

2:29

thousand sure right now I

2:33

Want to understand a few

2:35

things number one Do you

2:37

believe that or what

2:39

percentage of those at this demonstration?

2:42

Do you believe were Columbia students?

2:45

Almost all of them because the Columbia

2:47

was it was all of them the

2:49

answers all of them because Columbia was a closed

2:51

campus that Day, normally anybody can walk

2:53

on campus During the rally

2:55

security closed off every single

2:58

entrance to the university Right the only people

3:00

allowed in or people who were press

3:03

or students themselves. So you got in this press

3:06

Sure,

3:08

okay I'll

3:10

leave it at that That

3:13

so that is

3:16

Almost even for me

3:20

It is difficult to morally

3:22

and intellectually digest thousands

3:26

of Columbia University students

3:29

demonstrated on behalf of Hamas

3:32

So, okay, let's let's make a couple

3:34

things clear First

3:36

of all, okay, so there's a debate Were

3:39

they there support Hamas where

3:41

there support the Palestinians? What's the difference?

3:44

I mean this There is a difference,

3:46

okay now in this case I will say

3:49

this that of all the

3:51

protests I have come across And this is

3:53

not a new thing students protesting

3:56

against Israel and for the Palestinians I I

4:00

always tend to ask the same question. Do

4:03

you support Hamas? I asked

4:05

that question to probably 100

4:07

people in this particular protest.

4:10

I've asked to hundreds prior. I

4:13

want to make things very, very clear. I

4:15

have yet, of all the

4:18

people I have asked in the hundreds, I

4:20

have yet to receive one

4:23

person, a single person, a

4:25

person

4:27

who would condemn Hamas, not

4:30

one, and the same was true for

4:31

this particular rally. So why did you correct

4:34

me when I said it was a pro-Hamas demonstration?

4:37

Well, because I wanted to make clear

4:39

that there are many people who have

4:42

this narrative that they say, this

4:44

is just a pro-Palestinian rally.

4:46

This is their argument. This is not pro-Hamas.

4:50

This is not anti-Israel,

4:52

even, they will say. So I'm sorry.

4:54

What I meant to say was, I want to make

4:57

a clear distinction, because there are those

4:59

who say that these are not

5:01

Hamas rallies. These are not even anti-Israel

5:03

rallies. They're simply people standing

5:06

for the freedom of people of forgot.

5:09

Now, I believe they're doing that as well.

5:11

I just want to make a point here, because there was

5:13

a very powerful video I watched.

5:16

I don't remember who the person

5:19

giving it was, but I think it was on the Jerusalem

5:22

Post website, but I'm not certain, arguing

5:26

that this distinction between Hamas and the

5:28

Palestinians is,

5:31

for the most part, just factually

5:35

invalid. Even

5:38

on the West Bank, not just in Gaza, the

5:41

students on the West Bank voted

5:43

for student leaders or whatever. Hamas won

5:45

that election hands down. They

5:48

are the most popular group among Palestinians.

5:51

Not every Palestinian supports them.

5:53

We're on board on that, Ami?

5:56

Absolutely. In fact,

5:59

I was. in the Palestinian territories

6:03

this last week talking to Palestinians

6:06

on the West Bank, asking

6:08

them, do you support Hamas?

6:11

And overwhelmingly the answer was yes. I would

6:14

say it was above 90 percent

6:19

and 100 percent for anybody

6:21

under 50 years old. And I think

6:24

that they've done a number of polls

6:27

about the popularity of the greens,

6:29

which is what they call Hamas. And

6:33

if there was to be an election today in the

6:35

West Bank, they would win overwhelmingly.

6:38

So it bears out my anecdotal

6:41

discussions and research

6:45

as well. There's no question about

6:47

it. And the other point,

6:49

last point, the other point I was going to make

6:51

was that if you did a Venn

6:53

diagram between people who hate

6:55

Israel and the people who hate America,

6:58

they would be, again, the exact same circle.

7:00

They'd fit exactly into each other. There's

7:03

two p's in the same pod. I

7:05

think it's important to understand that. That Israel,

7:08

what Israel does is simply represent—it

7:10

isn't necessarily about Israel. It's really not even

7:12

about land.

7:14

It's really more about

7:17

the West, Western ideals, Western

7:19

values. And Israel

7:22

represents that. And Israel happens to be in an area

7:24

that they are easily able to access,

7:26

because it's a piece of land that

7:29

is adjacent to these other people who

7:31

find our values obnoxious

7:34

and want to be the destruction of

7:37

our ways of life. I know it sounds trite.

7:39

And the left said it's so trite. But trite

7:41

is oftentimes true. In this case, it

7:44

is very true. I want to point one more thing out.

7:47

When people, again, friends of mine who tell

7:49

me, well, I mean, again, they're just

7:51

standing for the Palestinians. You have no proof they

7:53

want to see the destruction of the state of Israel. All

7:55

you have to do is listen to their chanting. You

7:57

know, it's funny. There was an Israeli group running

8:00

a counter protest on

8:02

the big quad, you went to Columbia, that big

8:04

quad in front of the library, and

8:07

half of that quad was dedicated

8:09

to the Palestinian protest, and half

8:12

the quad was the counter protest, the

8:14

Israeli, the pro-Israel protest. And if you

8:16

listened to the, and I did, I listened

8:18

to the chants and the singing of the

8:20

pro-Israel protest. All you heard were

8:23

songs of peace and love, no

8:26

violence, no even like calls

8:28

for retribution. This is just

8:31

after 1,400 people were killed in the most

8:33

brutal way you could possibly

8:36

imagine. In fact, I don't think

8:38

the Nazis had come up with such brutality

8:40

against Jews. And then as you walked over

8:42

the Palestinian protest, what

8:45

you heard were chants and genocide. You

8:47

heard the chant, what you hear at every

8:50

single protest of

8:52

Palestinians from the river to

8:55

the sea. Palestine

8:57

will be free. From the river, right,

9:00

the Jordan River on the Eastern

9:02

Bank to the

9:05

sea on the west, the Mediterranean

9:07

Sea. What happens to lie in

9:09

between those two points, Dennis? The

9:11

Jewish state of Israel. They're calling

9:14

for the destruction of the state of

9:16

Israel. That is what they are vocally

9:19

saying. They're not hiding in the ball. They're not saying,

9:22

this is the quiet part out loud. This is

9:24

the out loud part out loud. They want

9:26

that the clarion call of the Arabs

9:29

from the inception of the Jewish state, we will

9:31

throw the Jews into the sea.

9:33

This is the modern incarnation of

9:36

that.

9:37

That's correct.

9:40

I think it was Bill Maher, interestingly,

9:43

because I always like to give credit for an idea.

9:46

Said Israel is always accused, and you would mention

9:48

this, of being a Western outpost

9:51

in the Middle East.

9:53

He said, don't we need

9:55

more Western outposts in the world?

9:59

Isn't that a good idea?

9:59

And I had never

10:02

thought of that. If

10:04

I believe Western civilization has

10:07

been a moral improvement on all other

10:09

civilizations, I would

10:11

want more Western outposts.

10:14

Sure.

10:14

It's an existential threat that we're

10:17

fighting against. You know, look, a

10:19

Western outpost – Western ideas,

10:21

again, not just European and America,

10:23

right? It includes South Korea.

10:26

It includes Japan. No, of course. It

10:28

includes Australia. Right. It doesn't include

10:30

Colombia.

10:33

So another question about

10:35

the Colombian – first of all, nearly all of

10:37

them were masked because they

10:39

don't want to be videoed. They

10:42

don't want to be identified. I assume that that's

10:44

the reason, obviously. They're not worried

10:46

about COVID. So nevertheless,

10:51

again, I fully acknowledge

10:54

that this is a supposition

10:56

on your part, but you're

10:58

quite bright.

10:59

And I –

11:00

if you have a thought on this, I'd like

11:03

to hear it. What

11:05

was the division between

11:09

Middle Eastern demonstrators

11:14

and American leftists? It's

11:17

a great question. It's not a supposition. I mean, again,

11:19

I've been to many, many of these protests, and

11:21

you can see people and identify where they're from.

11:24

I'd say it's roughly in the 50-50% range. That's

11:28

what I assume. And I want

11:30

to point – yeah,

11:32

another thing. Look, it's – what

11:35

I'm hearing a lot from the media on our

11:37

side, and I want to rebut

11:39

this because I don't agree with it. I think it's actually factually

11:42

incorrect. And I think also it's not only

11:44

factually incorrect, I think it takes away

11:46

the evilness.

11:49

So you were saying that there's something you're

11:51

not happy with with regard to conservative

11:54

reporting, correct?

11:56

Yeah, it's this notion

11:58

that these kids don't know where they're from. what they're talking

12:00

about or what they're supporting. That

12:03

does not bear out based again on my,

12:07

the time I've spent with them over the years, not

12:09

just this one past conflict, although a lot of time

12:11

has been this past conflict, but also the conflicts before.

12:15

They know exactly what they

12:17

are saying, they know exactly who

12:19

they're representing, and they know exactly

12:21

what they are doing. I

12:24

reject the idea of giving them a pass because

12:26

in the words of people who are critical, they're

12:29

just stupid kids, don't know what they're saying.

12:31

Now there may be people who don't know, there

12:34

might be. I get to come across them. Now

12:36

when you discuss with them what's going

12:39

on and why they're there, they know exactly

12:41

what they're doing. I refuse to give them a pass.

12:43

I think you're therefore excusing evil. I think

12:46

they know what's going on and they are evil

12:48

for it.

12:50

That's right.

12:52

50-50, that

12:54

is what I surmised. You

12:57

know I'm wondering

12:58

on a human level, Ami,

13:02

you're a kid

13:04

who, especially a Jewish kid of Columbia,

13:07

and you're in a dorm there, and

13:12

your

13:13

roommate goes to this

13:15

demonstration.

13:19

How do you spend the rest of the year together?

13:22

My roommate has

13:24

just demonstrated to exterminate

13:27

the Jewish state. What

13:29

do I do? Hey, how you doing? How did they go?

13:33

Really? I mean I don't have to survive. My

13:36

kids are in college. They're going through it now. Classmates,

13:39

people on their floor. My

13:42

kids are seeing

13:44

it on a daily basis. It makes it very

13:46

difficult. No, I can tell you on a personal level. It makes it

13:48

very, very difficult for

13:51

them to walk into school every day, seeing these

13:53

people every day, knowing how

13:55

they feel about them and

13:58

their people. It's

14:00

incredibly difficult. Of course it is. But

14:03

we have to stand strong and you've got

14:05

to do what you've got to do. You've got to have a backbone. This

14:07

is when we are tested. We

14:09

are being tested now. That's

14:11

correct. Yeah,

14:14

I'd like to talk to you about your daughter, Rishu.

14:17

That's fascinating. Unfortunately

14:20

fascinating.

14:21

As usual, well done Ami Horowitz. The

14:23

video is up at his website or at

14:26

DennisPrager.com the

14:29

experience he had one week after

14:31

the massacres at Columbia University.

14:34

Keep up the good work, Ami.

14:36

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