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You know, it's really kind of the definition of

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of adolescence. Do you feel uncomfortable in

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your body and socially awkward.

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Well, that's adolescents. Now there are those

0:58

who truly deal with, you know,

1:00

gender, fluidity issues, whether it's whether

1:03

we call it gender dysphoria or whatever people

1:05

wanna call it. There are those few, but

1:07

there is such a surge, and I find what's interesting.

1:10

Ryan, you've been talking THIS WITH YOUR BOOK ALL THE

1:12

WAY BACK TO twenty eighteen. THERE ARE

1:14

MORE RISSABLUEERS COMING FORWARD. ONE THAT I THINK

1:16

IS SUPER COMPELLING IS JAMIE READ

1:18

who describes herself. She

1:21

she's worked in this field transitioning

1:23

for children at Washington University

1:25

School Medicine in Missouri, describe

1:27

herself as a lesbian, married to a

1:29

trans man, I think it is, and,

1:31

you know, left of Bernie Sanders. But

1:34

she was done by

1:37

the sudden explosion of

1:39

those that she she would say

1:41

are not actually dealing with that issue.

1:43

It's more of what should we call it social contagion.

1:45

Now I know that's gonna be unpopular and

1:47

people are gonna, you know, attack for using that

1:50

term. You know, since you wrote your book

1:52

in twenty eighteen, there has been this acceleration,

1:55

this absolute explosion, especially

1:57

amongst young women, which I find interesting.

2:00

Are you surprised by that?

2:02

And what do you think is pushing it even

2:04

from the point that you wrote your book?

2:07

Oh, yeah. Great question. Not surprised

2:09

at all. Yeah. And, you know, a couple

2:11

of things to say there. One. I think it's great

2:14

that more and more non

2:16

conservative non Christians kind

2:20

of non unusual

2:21

suspects are speaking out against

2:23

this. Yes.

2:24

When when I wrote my book, it's been

2:26

looking out February of twenty eighteen, I

2:29

was researching and writing the book off

2:31

throughout twenty seventeen and partly

2:33

into twenty sixteen. We had

2:35

just lost the Obergafel case. Mhmm.

2:38

And there were very few people who

2:40

were willing to speak out against transgenderism,

2:44

very few people willing to say wait

2:46

a minute. Like, so the tea is not like

2:48

the RGB. We should have, you

2:50

know, deep caution about what's going

2:52

on, especially with children, what's going on

2:54

with women's

2:55

faces, bathroom locker rooms,

2:58

jail. What's going on with women's sports?

3:00

Right. What's going on with children, etcetera,

3:02

etcetera, but so many people thought,

3:05

wait, we lost the gay marriage to date.

3:07

If I speak out on this, we're just gonna

3:09

lose I'm just gonna pay a professional cost.

3:11

And that was young conservative Christian. But

3:14

then you also had, you know, kind

3:16

of secular liberals who knew better but

3:18

said, oh, wait. Like, it's only conservative Christians

3:20

who are concerned about this. I was an

3:22

ally on gay marriage. I was an

3:25

ally on LGBT issues. I have

3:27

to be in favor of transgender equality,

3:29

transgender rights, that could be in favor of that he

3:31

as well. Right? And so President

3:33

Biden says transgender rights or the human

3:36

rights of our error. Now,

3:39

what's happening now is that five years

3:41

later, from when the book first

3:43

came out, we have more and more people

3:45

who are saying, wait, that's not the

3:47

case. You don't need to be a conservative

3:49

Christian to see that it's a bad

3:51

idea that perform double that back to me

3:54

on a fifteen year old

3:55

girl. Yes. It's a bad idea to

3:57

be doing these procedures. And I think,

4:00

look, we should be in the concert business

4:02

and we don't have to be in the Alliance

4:03

business. We don't have to agree

4:06

on everything --

4:07

Right. -- to

4:07

be able to form an Alliance and do a political,

4:10

cultural partnership where we do agree.

4:12

Yeah. You know, think we should be clear eyed

4:14

about the limitations of that. Right? Last night, the people

4:16

who I partner in opposing kind

4:20

of transgender ideology. They

4:22

disagree with me about marriage. They disagree with

4:24

me about abors. And we have to, you know, be willing to

4:26

agree to disagree and then go our separate

4:29

ways on working on those issues. But

4:31

I don't think this is

4:33

an issue that we can win on our own. And therefore,

4:35

we're going to need to make these

4:36

partnerships. Yes.

4:37

Can

4:38

you have a part of your question about the And

4:40

No. When they write And when they write When they write,

4:42

I wanna I wanna absolutely agree with that because one of the

4:44

most interesting group of women that I've interviewed

4:47

on my show are actually from the women's

4:49

liberation front wolf, which they

4:51

are self described, radical liberal feminists,

4:54

many of them lesbians, and certainly we don't

4:56

agree on vast majority of things,

4:58

but they talk about everything that they fought

5:00

for as feminists is being erased

5:02

whether it's title line sports or state places

5:05

for women and girls or or even

5:07

the very identity of

5:09

women themselves. What does it mean now?

5:11

So just wanted to put a a punctuation mark

5:13

on that. So your answer to the second part of the question

5:16

about the the speed of this.

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Yeah. And you're exactly right. The

5:21

women involved in Wolf are wonderful. Mhmm.

5:23

You know, I hosted some events with

5:25

them, and I quote them in the book. I mean,

5:27

it's outrageous

5:28

because they are one of the first groups speaking

5:30

out. And then they were being attacked by all

5:32

the other feminist groups that they were

5:34

the only ones willing to say that commissioner

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is not a

5:37

woman,

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and he shouldn't have won the woman of the year before.

5:40

Right. And you so many other

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women's groups went along with it.

5:44

In terms of like the young people and specifically

5:47

the explosion we see. It's a four thousand

5:49

four hundred percent

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explosion.

5:51

Oh my gosh. Girls and women.

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And I think, look, we have a culture that is very

5:55

in hospital role to women

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and girls. I mean, you think

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about all the unrealistic expectations

6:02

that we place upon our

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orders that were replaced upon young women.

6:07

And we now see that

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whereas historically, gender dysphoria

6:12

was primarily early associated

6:14

with little boys like pre pubital boys

6:17

or middle aged men. Now

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we have a bunch of high school and college

6:21

age women and girls who

6:23

seem to be simply opting out

6:27

of of their femininity of their

6:29

female identity. And that doesn't necessarily

6:31

mean they're opting in to

6:33

a male or a masculine identity. This is

6:35

where you see part of the wrap it on that, gender

6:38

is for you, is the increase in non

6:40

binary. Right. Yes. Gender

6:42

and the extras identity. They're simply

6:44

saying, I want nothing to do with

6:47

Mhmm. And, you know, some of them have been victims

6:49

of sexual assault, some of them have been

6:52

victimized and exploited in other ways.

6:54

And frequently, this just

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from kind of anecdotal reports and from

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you know we don't have large data sets, but

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we do have kind of a case studies.

7:03

It seems that this is part of a coping mechanism. This

7:05

is part of a self protective

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response to a very inhospitable

7:11

culture. Well, it's it's interesting to you that

7:13

you say that because we're also in culture right now

7:15

that is really hyper sexualizing children.

7:17

It seems to me everything that was

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being fought for earlier for women to

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treated with respect and and all of

7:23

that has really been turned on

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its ear. And then also think at the

7:27

same time, we have so We have

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so narrowed what it means to be

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feminine or what it means to be masculine.

7:34

I mean, I grew up and I wanna be

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like my three older three older brothers and I wanted

7:38

to be Superman and I wanted to wrestle. You know, it

7:40

just was because I I looked up to

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them. If I were in the situation

7:44

today, they would say, uh-huh,

7:46

you have gender, you know, dysphoria, etcetera.

7:49

You're actually transgender. And, you

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know, as as time went along, I just ended

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up realizing, no, you can be you can be a woman,

7:55

and you can go hiking, and you can, you know,

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be all of these different things,

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athletic, and then I ended up, you know, going

8:02

all the way to Kai. It was very odd thing.

8:05

Today, raising a daughter

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in this world, she's being

8:10

told left and right that femininity is

8:12

so narrow that if you're anything

8:14

outside of this tiny little spectrum of usually

8:17

which is pretty hyper sexualized, then

8:19

guess what? Your trancenter. It's

8:21

it's gone backwards. It is so regressive

8:24

when it comes to women. So I appreciate

8:26

you're bringing up that that situation. You

8:29

know, I wanted to also ask you this because

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I know your time is limited. You've got so much

8:33

going on. In your book,

8:36

you very compassionately. And I just

8:38

wanna keep repeating that because this is not

8:40

about, you know, judgment or this is about

8:42

being compassionate to those who are dealing

8:44

with issues. You can potentially talk about those

8:46

who have de transitioned and you

8:48

talk share some of those stories. There's actually a

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woman in call ARRADA TESTIFIED IN

8:53

FRONT OF THE HOUSE

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HEARING IN DECEMBER, SHE

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RUNS INSIDE OUT Youth SERVICES.

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AND SHE SAID, WELL, I HAVE NEVER

9:02

BASICALLY MET SOMEONE WHO DECREDSITIONED,

9:04

SO IT'S NOT A THING. SHE DENIES

9:07

because in her tiny little community, doesn't see

9:09

it. Why don't you if

9:11

you could share a little bit about some of those

9:13

stories? Because this is I think this is where

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this is going to be heading sadly in the next

9:17

five to ten years?

9:20

Well, that's exactly right. So,

9:22

in Chapter three of the book, just

9:24

reports on a bunch of those stories. And

9:26

they were all testimonies that,

9:28

you know, I found because you

9:30

know, again, this feedback in the research

9:32

in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. These

9:34

are people who were they had blogs,

9:37

they had YouTube videos, they

9:39

had other kind of, like, self published

9:41

accounts of what their experience

9:43

had been transitioning and

9:46

then five, ten years later regretting it,

9:48

e transitioning. Mhmm. Right now

9:50

five years you know, after the book came out,

9:52

we're now in twenty twenty

9:54

three. There are

9:56

tons of people like this.

9:58

Right.

9:58

Now people like Chloe Cole -- Mhmm.

10:00

-- who are speaking out publicly,

10:02

right, who are suing their doctors. Right.

10:05

There there was a lawsuit in the UK where,

10:07

you know, the the trial court actually ruled

10:10

in favor of the

10:12

young lady who who who had had the double mastectomy

10:14

and they actually put a stop to this in the UK

10:16

and show an appeal's

10:18

overroading. Now I don't know what the status

10:20

of the next level -- Mhmm.

10:21

-- of appeal is. But

10:24

these these are any one of our listeners,

10:27

as as soon as they were at home tonight and

10:29

got on the computer, they could do a simple

10:32

Google search, a simple YouTube

10:34

video search

10:36

and just type in retransition or testimony.

10:38

Right. Several of these very courageous

10:41

young women have appeared on Tucker Karl's

10:43

and show. Mhmm. And they're not even Republican.

10:46

They're not even conservative. And what

10:48

they say is, like, you've given me something

10:50

that no left leaning cable

10:52

news host

10:53

will, and that's the platform.

10:55

Right. No one on MSNBC or CNN

10:57

will have me on so that I can share

10:59

my stories, so that I can share my testimony. And

11:01

you tucker has even

11:03

though we may not agree on anything

11:05

else. Mhmm. And and so I do think it's

11:08

gonna be important that people familiarize

11:10

themselves with these stories because these are very courageous

11:13

young. I frequently young women

11:15

who are, you know, beeking out a way

11:17

that and it's very personal. Can I imagine if

11:19

you you you you come

11:21

to realize you made a mistake like this, right? You

11:24

you thought you were quote acting

11:26

the wrong body? Or you thought that taking

11:28

testosterone and having the mastectomy would bring

11:30

you happiness, wholeness,

11:33

you may. And you convince your

11:35

family to go along with it. You convince your friends

11:37

to go along with it. And then five years

11:39

later, you you have to make you made

11:41

an stake. Right. I mean, there this

11:44

is something where you're exactly

11:46

right to say nothing but compassion, nothing

11:48

but support because there

11:51

can be intense emotions of

11:53

guilt and of shame and

11:56

of embarrassment. And and so

11:58

it's really important that we don't do anything

12:00

to stigmatize or to marginalize or

12:03

to belittle or to exacerbate,

12:06

there's just a so many emotions that

12:08

are going to have to be processed. Yeah. We

12:11

And and so I you know, it's just a word of caution

12:13

to it, you know, these are people who who

12:15

have gone through a lot of

12:16

suffering. Yeah. And they need love, they

12:19

need support. They do. They do. You

12:21

you had a mention that I saw where,

12:23

you know, a woman talked about

12:25

what it was like to actually lose her voice

12:27

because, you know, there's a lot of people that under the

12:29

impression that this, you know, hormone treatment

12:32

and puberty block because it's somehow reversible.

12:35

In fact, you know, I heard from a parent

12:37

that said, oh, no. This is all reversible. Well,

12:39

there's some of it that is not reversible. And this

12:41

young woman saying, not only did I

12:43

really lose, you know, in a double mastectomy, my

12:46

breast that I can never, you know, take

12:48

care children in that way now that I realize I

12:50

want them, my voice is literally gone

12:53

the way it was meant to be. Question

12:55

for you. Chloe Cole, I I THINK

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THAT THIS CASE IS REALLY

13:00

GOING TO BE HUGE. SHE HAS HAD THE

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COURAGE TO SEEING UP NOT BLAME

13:04

HER PARENTS because PARENTS ARE often railroaded

13:07

into these decisions when they're told you either

13:09

do this or your trial will commit suicide. I hear

13:11

horror stories. That's what they're told. So what would any

13:14

Karen, Karen, Karen, Karen,

13:17

Karen, Karen, Karen, Karen, Karen, Karen,

13:20

Karen, Karen, Karen, Karen,

13:23

Karen, Karen, Karen, Karen, that rush towards the

13:25

process. What do you think will be

13:27

outcome of this? Because I think this

13:29

can if she is successful, it

13:32

can really slowed down

13:34

this absolute breakneck pace

13:36

at which

13:38

many doctors are pushing children through

13:40

this. Impact do you think it will

13:42

have? I mean, think

13:46

the initial impact and the immediate impact

13:48

is going be if you are

13:50

an insurance fee

13:52

that ensures one of these hospitals or

13:54

if you are the lawyer, the general counsel

13:57

one of these hospitals, you're

13:59

saying to yourself, sort

14:01

of, liability of

14:03

those two. Mhmm. And are we

14:05

willing to put the oncology

14:08

wing of our hospital. Right? So the

14:10

cancer treatments that our hospital does,

14:12

are we willing to put that at risk because

14:15

of the pediatric metric gender clinic at

14:17

our hospital. Right? If we get sued

14:19

because of that, are we going to have to pay

14:22

such a giant settlement that it

14:24

might actually jeopardize innovation

14:27

cutting edge research on cancer that we're

14:29

doing or I think

14:31

that this could be if

14:33

it's successful, major breakthrough. And even

14:35

if it I mean, in the meantime, even if it's not

14:38

successful, I think any proof

14:40

and lawyer insurance

14:42

company, they're saying could we be

14:44

next? Mhmm. And even if this lawsuit

14:47

is not successful, maybe the again,

14:49

we'll be successful. And what sort of liability

14:52

are we on the line Absolutely.

14:54

I totally agree with that. Well, before I let you go, I

14:56

just want to repeat one statistic

14:59

that you shared. You said there's been a

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four thousand four hundred percent

15:03

explosion in

15:05

young girls transitioning. Is that correct?

15:09

Yeah. That's that's statistic. Something in the Kingdom

15:11

because I mean, so one of the nice things, I

15:13

think, you know, kind of

15:16

single payer government run health care systems.

15:18

You have really good data on this.

15:20

Right. And they had it was the TAVA stock clinic.

15:22

So it was one clinic in particular handled

15:26

all the pediatric gender event medicine

15:28

they said it was a four thousand four hundred percent

15:30

increase in the number of young

15:32

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15:35

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